1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News. 2 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: Well, Elon Musk is. 3 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 3: Now the richest person on the planet. 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: More than half the satellites in space are owned and 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: controlled by one man. 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 4: Starting his own artificial intelligence company. Well, he's a legitimate 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 4: super genius. 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: I mean legitimate. 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 4: He says. 10 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 5: He's always voted for Democrats, but this year it will 11 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 5: be different. He'll vote Republican. 12 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 4: There is a reason the US government is so reliant 13 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 4: on him. Alon Musk is a scam artist and he's 14 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 4: done nothing. 15 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 6: Anything he does is fascinating the people. 16 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Elan and Holiday Special. I'm Max Chafkin, 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 4: still sitting here in the studio with Bloomberg Elon Musk 18 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 4: reporter Dana Hall and Bloomberg Big Tech chief Sarah Fryar. 19 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 4: Joining us as well is Ryan Broderick of the excellent 20 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 4: Garbage Day newsletter. Last week we went through the most 21 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 4: important stories of the year, and as listeners will remember, well, 22 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 4: I introduced a point system for our Know Your Elon contest. 23 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 4: Now right now here is where the points stand. And 24 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 4: again we're recording this in mid December. So Dana is 25 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 4: in the lead with three points. Sarah has two points. 26 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 4: And Ryan unfortunately is last with one solitary point, but 27 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 4: he can make up for it because we are throwing 28 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 4: ourselves into a new game. Ryan, I hope you're hydrated 29 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 4: before we start this. But this game is called most 30 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 4: Interesting of the Year. So as people follow him on 31 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 4: Elon Musk will know that Elon Musk often comments interesting 32 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 4: on top of a tweet, and they're off there, sometimes provocative, 33 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 4: there's sometimes I don't know, arguably offensive. They're sometimes funny, 34 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 4: there's sometimes nonsensical. I am going to read you all 35 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 4: four summaries of posts, and you have to tell me 36 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 4: the one that Elon Musk did not find interesting. Okay, so, 37 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 4: so three of these were interesting and one of them 38 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 4: was not interesting? Okay? Are you all ready? Okay? The 39 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 4: first post okay, so so Post one argued that quote 40 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 4: only high t alpha males end quote autists should be 41 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 4: able to vote, okay. Post two was a post promoting 42 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 4: the opening of a film called Vindicating Trump by the 43 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 4: conservative commentator Denesh Desuza. Post three it was a lengthy 44 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 4: post This is hundreds of words long by JK Rowling 45 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 4: laying out her feelings on transidentity. Like I said, it 46 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 4: goes on and on. It's one of those ones you 47 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 4: have to click to expand it. It begins I believe 48 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 4: a woman is a human being who belongs to the 49 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 4: sex class that produces large gammeetes and goes on from there. 50 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,839 Speaker 4: Post four was a series of photos of Jackie Chan, 51 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 4: the martial art artist and actor with a Donald Trump haircut. 52 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 4: So four posts, which one of those was not interesting? 53 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 4: According to Elon Musk Sarah Fryar Jackie Chan Ryan. 54 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 3: So, I would have thought Jackie Chan. But I feel 55 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 3: like you threw it in there because it is real. 56 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 3: I've seen the middle two like in real life. So 57 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with the high team mails and autists 58 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 3: for number one. 59 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 4: Okay, Dana, You're both wrong, Dana, Wow. Okay, it is 60 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 4: either the the JK Rowling screed or the Denesh jesus 61 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 4: A film. 62 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 7: I'm gonna say that. I'm gonna say that an justus 63 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 7: A film. 64 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 4: Oh my god, everyone's wrong. Okay, So this was but 65 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 4: this is a trick question. But but it's it's really 66 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 4: important because Elon did not find the rolling post interesting. 67 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 4: She did post it. That's a real post. 68 00:03:58,160 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: Do you find it concerning he act? 69 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 4: But he actually did he he must have been going 70 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 4: through a thing where he was worried there was too 71 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 4: much division on X, because he responded, while I heartily 72 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 4: agree with your points regarding sex gender, may I suggest 73 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 4: also posting interesting and positive content on other matters that's 74 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 4: so good, so debatable? He kind of implied that it 75 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 4: was interesting, but he he said also that it wasn't interesting. 76 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 4: So I award no points to anyone for that for 77 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 4: that one, although I do feel like Ryan, You're you're 78 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 4: remembering the Jackie Chan series has gotta be worth that's 79 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 4: gotta be worth a sympathy point. 80 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 2: I gotta go outside more often. Yeah, I agree. 81 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 4: All right. Now the second topic here is concerning. Now, 82 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 4: these are four posts that Elon Musk found concerning. And 83 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 4: once again I am going to read you little excerpts 84 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 4: of these posts, and you're gonna tell me what did 85 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 4: not concern Elon Musk. Okay, all right, here's number one. Now, 86 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 4: everyone pay attention. A post claiming that quote it's really 87 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 4: pointless to even attack Harris. She's just a puppet du jour, 88 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 4: and Biden is a puppet diyere. That's French for yesterday. Two, 89 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 4: an article complaining that signal the encrypted messaging service had 90 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 4: close ties to the US intelligence agencies. Post three was 91 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 4: one warning that rising unemployment and panic job cuts were coming. This, 92 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 4: by the way, it turned out to be false. Post 93 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 4: four claimed that Google was rigging the twenty twenty four election. 94 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 4: All right, Dana, you tell me which one of those 95 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 4: was not concerning an Elon. Now remember puppets, the puppet post, 96 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 4: the encrypted messaging, rising unemployment, Google rigging the twenty twenty 97 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:44,239 Speaker 4: four election. 98 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 7: Maybe the puppet post, because that seems like something that 99 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 7: Elon himself would actually say not be concerned about. 100 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 4: Oh my god, Dana is so good. Elon did not 101 00:05:54,480 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 4: did not find it concerning. He said it and two 102 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 4: points for Dana Hall okay, So so Dan is up 103 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 4: to five, Ryan is two, Sarah's two. Dana is running 104 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 4: away with this thing. But Sarah and Ryan, you still 105 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 4: have time. 106 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 2: I'm happy to lose to the masters. 107 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 4: So let's move on to another category. This is the 108 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 4: portion where we discuss parts of Elon Musk's business empire 109 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 4: that he is going to look into. Now, you know, 110 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 4: super fans Elon heads will know that people often complain 111 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 4: to Elon Musk about, you know, various things that are 112 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 4: going on, and he'll say looking into it, all right. 113 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 4: So now, now three of these are real. One of 114 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 4: them is not the first one a complaint that he 115 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 4: banned Luigi Mangioni's Twitter account. This is the alleged United 116 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 4: Healthcare shooter. Two is a suggestion that the quote deep 117 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 4: state could be undermined by a new government office that 118 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 4: would be in charge of declassifying documents. Three is a 119 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 4: report about high levels of absenteeism in Tesla's Berlin gigafactory. 120 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 4: And four is a complaint that Stripe the mobile paint 121 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 4: the payment service was refusing to process payments for libs 122 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 4: of TikTok, which is a right wing influencer account. So, Sarah, 123 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 4: which of these was Elon not looking into number two? Bingo? 124 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 8: All the rest I have to do with his company 125 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 8: is and he always says looking into it when it's 126 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 8: something that he's in charge of. But he's not in 127 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 8: charge of the deep state. 128 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 4: Okay. See, I thought I was gonna fool you because 129 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 4: he is kind of in charge of the deep state 130 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 4: now with the DOGE. But no, you're right. That was 131 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 4: a suggestion by FBI nominee Cash Bettel. Elon said it 132 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 4: was a good idea, but he is not looking into it. 133 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 4: Oh good, okay, Okay, so that's two points of Sarah. 134 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 4: That means it's five for Dana, four for Sarah, two 135 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 4: for Ryan. We're gonna have to give Ryan a chance 136 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 4: to answer first on the next one, just to make 137 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 4: sure it's fair, because I'm getting some producer complaints in 138 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 4: my ear about questions of game integrity here. All right, 139 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 4: this is most beautiful. These were posts that Elon Musk 140 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 4: found beautiful and wrote that this is beautiful. And I 141 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 4: have four pictures. I'm gonna show you the pictures, Dan 142 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 4: and Sarah. You should have them ready loaded up. Ryan, 143 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 4: I'm gonna just sort of move my last shot and 144 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 4: show me you, okay, picture number one, and I'm gonna 145 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 4: describe it for those who are not on the podcast. 146 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 4: It's okay, I know this one, okay. It's a picture 147 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 4: of Georgia Maloney and the Prime the Prime Minister of 148 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 4: Italy and Elon Musk sitting at a dinner looking at 149 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 4: each other, just with the most I mean, I don't know, Dana, 150 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 4: can you describe it a Morris? 151 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 7: I mean, they're flirting, there's wine, it's you know, it. 152 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 4: Just it looks like such a good time. All right. 153 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 4: That's picture one. Picture two okay, Now it's a selfie 154 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 4: of a of a gentleman and who you probably don't recognize. 155 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 4: He's sort of wearing a flag pin. I'll tell you 156 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 4: who he is though. This is a picture of Christopher Maccio, 157 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 4: who is a classical crossover vocalist known for performing at 158 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 4: Trump events. I believe that Dana and I saw him 159 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 4: at Madison Square Garden. I think he made this picture. 160 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 4: He may be at mar A Lago any, Dan, I 161 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 4: don't know. Do We were kind of walking out? Do 162 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 4: you remember how how was? How was the vocal stylings 163 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 4: of Christopher Maccio? 164 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 7: Did he perform? Is he the one who's saying America 165 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 7: the beautiful? 166 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 4: You know? Honestly, I don't know he's he's he's like 167 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 4: a Trump World singer, of course that exists. Yes, Okay, now, okay, 168 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 4: so that's two. So Maloney Macchio, Okay, here we go. 169 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 4: Now here's the third one. Okay, So this is a 170 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 4: an interior. It looks like something out of like Bride's 171 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 4: magazine or something. It's again, I'm gonna describe it quickly. 172 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 4: It's a sort of a you know, like a sort 173 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 4: of white all white there, white roses. There's a bed. 174 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 4: It looks like the nicest Airbnb you've ever stayed in. 175 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 2: I remember this one. 176 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, don't give anything away. I guess you're answering first. Okay, 177 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 4: And here's number four, and again I don't quite know 178 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 4: how to describe this, but maybe I'll let Ryan do 179 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 4: the honors. 180 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he So it's like the kind of thing 181 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 3: you'd see on like Dvian art where it's like a 182 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 3: beautiful woman back to the point of view of the picture, 183 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 3: hugging like a man in all black chain to the wall. 184 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 3: It's like something like a seventeen year old will put 185 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 3: on MySpace twenty years ago, and like Elon loves this stuff. 186 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's there. There was a caption which I wanted 187 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 4: to read. I'd said, I believe in a bond that 188 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 4: transcends love, a salvation found in each other. All right, 189 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 4: Ryan Broderick, which of the picture which you're saying that 190 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 4: that was the one that he did not find beautiful? Yeah, 191 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 4: I have bad news for. 192 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 9: You, man. 193 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 4: It was so confident. 194 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 2: It wasn't a selfie of a random man. 195 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 4: I just assume it Okay, here's the thing. That answer 196 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 4: is wrong. But I feel a little bad because he 197 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 4: definitely was talking about the music being beautiful. He was 198 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 4: not saying that the selfie was beautiful. But still, you know, 199 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 4: gotta trip you up. Ok all right, let's give Sarah 200 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 4: a chance to steal. 201 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 8: He probably didn't didn't actually say beautiful about his dinner photo. 202 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 4: That is correct, he did not, and he has been 203 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 4: at pains I think to sort of, you know, not 204 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 4: make it seem like they're definitely in a romantic relationship, 205 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 4: and even may Musk has has chimed in at times. 206 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 2: I ship them, but I understand. 207 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 4: I feel like that was a little tricky and maybe 208 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 4: perhaps unfair. But nonetheless, Sarah is in the lead, Dana 209 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 4: has five points, and Ryan is still stuck it at two. 210 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: I'll take it. 211 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 4: So now we have another game. This one is called 212 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 4: No Your Rogan. Okay, So we're gonna play a series 213 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 4: of clips and you are going to have to this 214 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 4: is another two pointer. You're gonna have to identify who 215 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 4: Joe Rogan is talking to in the context of the comments. 216 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 4: And now there are only three choices, and the choices 217 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 4: are Donald Trump, Elon Musk, or Bob Gimlin, who is 218 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 4: a crypto zoologist. 219 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 2: Someone who studies fantasy beasts and creatures. Yeah right, yeah, 220 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 2: I got it. 221 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 4: Now this might be easy because I think some of 222 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 4: us have listened to some of these episodes. But nonetheless, again, 223 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 4: all right, so let's start with the first clip. 224 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 2: If there was a life on a planet and we 225 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 2: could introduce our DNA into these lower primates and make 226 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 2: them more like us, you don't think we would do. 227 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 4: It, Ryan Brodrick, what is the who is he talking to? 228 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 4: Is he talking to a cryptozoologist, Donald Trump or Elon Musk? 229 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 4: And what is the context? 230 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 3: Honestly, it would be so funny if he was talking 231 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 3: to Trump. It would be so funny if you just 232 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 3: talk about like making monkey human hybrids with Donald Trump. 233 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 3: I'm gonna say Elon Musk, and I'm gonna say it 234 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 3: has something to do with like gene splicing or transhumanism, 235 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 3: or like making sort of animal hybrid debt slaves to 236 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 3: work on Mars or something. 237 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: All right, let's hear the clip, Mike. 238 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 3: If we had the technology to do what allegedly the 239 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 3: aliens alledged aliens do, we. 240 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 4: Would beat all sorts of crazy stuff all the time. 241 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 4: I'll just so as you could hear, he's not talking 242 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 4: to Elon Musk or Donald Trump. He's talking to the 243 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 4: cryptozoologist about alien tech. 244 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 245 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 4: Okay, so unfortunately that's another. 246 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 2: I'll take the I'm actually happy to not know what 247 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 2: goes on on that podcast. 248 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 4: Okay, let's immediately go to a new clip. Here's Rogan again. 249 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 4: It cleans your mind, It cleans your mind, Dana Hall, 250 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 4: who is Joe Rogan talking to. 251 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 2: And what is he talking about? 252 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 7: He's talking to Elon Musk about like eating meat or 253 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 7: like something consumable. 254 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 9: I don't know. 255 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 4: Let's hear the clip. Golf as you get older, there's 256 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 4: something really good about it. And competition with competition concentrations 257 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 4: a great handicaps for it. All right, So self explanatory, 258 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 4: Trump talking to Trump about playing golf. All right, here's 259 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 4: the third clip, video evidence, radar evidence. Okay, Rogan said, 260 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 4: video evidence, Comma, radar evidence. What do you think, Sarah Fryar? 261 00:13:58,679 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 4: Is it. 262 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 8: Elon Musk talking about immigration? 263 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 2: Let's hear the clip. And they said, we saw think, sir, 264 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: that it's aliens. 265 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 3: Very strange, like a round ball, but it wasn't a 266 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 3: combat or maybe it was something. 267 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 4: All right, Ryan gets a point there for for chiming 268 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 4: with aliens. Yes, that's that's Donald Trump and Joe Rogan, 269 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 4: the president elect of the United States and the most 270 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 4: popular broadcaster in America talking about aliens. 271 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 3: See that's why Rogan is popular. If I got to 272 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 3: sit down with any president, I'd be like, what's the 273 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 3: deal with aliens? 274 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: And like that's good. That's good radio. You know, that's 275 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 2: good podcasting. 276 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 4: Legit, no joke, You're right, all right, next clip, we 277 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 4: only have two more. Here's here's the second last clip. 278 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 2: I would be terribly surprised. 279 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 4: Cryptozoologist Elon Musk, Donald Trump, And then what is the context? 280 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 3: I would be terribly surprised, Yes, like would it surprise 281 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 3: you to learn that? 282 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 4: Like? Just figure pretty like if someone like I wouldn't 283 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 4: be surprised. Shot in the dark, all right, Yes, indeed 284 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 4: it was. It was the cryptozoologist talking about the possibility 285 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 4: that Bigfoot would get hit by the bus. For anyone 286 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 4: wondering what just happened there, Ryan was, I think on 287 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 4: his way to getting the answer correctly. I don't know 288 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 4: if he would have got Bigfoot. But our producers accidentally 289 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 4: hit the reveal button a little too early. But you 290 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 4: know what, I think we have to give Ryan credit because, 291 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 4: as I said, it was on the tip of his tongue. 292 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 4: Ryan is up to five points. Now it's six to 293 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 4: five five. We've got a tight contest here. And the 294 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 4: last question is going to go to Dana. Here's the clip. 295 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 6: Just the fact that they have the resources to do 296 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 6: that when they have all the crime that they have. 297 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 4: Dana, who's Joe Rogan talking to and what is talking 298 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 4: to him? 299 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 2: About Trump? 300 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 7: And something about immigration? 301 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 4: Sarah, I'll go to you. Now, think about crime stories 302 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 4: that that dominated the news over the last two months. 303 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 8: Is it about ballots? 304 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 4: Just the fact that they have the resources to do 305 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 4: that when they have all that crime that they have. Okay, 306 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 4: now this is this is a story related to law breaking, 307 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 4: but it's of a specific variety of law and breaking. 308 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 4: It has to do with violating the rules about animals 309 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 4: at home. Oh wait, he's talking about Excel in the UK. 310 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 7: It peanut the squirrel. He was talking Oh. 311 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 2: Peanut does squirrel? 312 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 4: And who is he talking to? Dan? That's right, Okay, 313 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 4: let's hear that one. 314 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: Still pretty shoke about the freaking squirrel thing. 315 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, the. 316 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 2: At gunpoint, forced the guy. 317 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 10: To like stay outside his house while they got his 318 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 10: pets and killed them. 319 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, you know, violent felons are running free. 320 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 4: Okay, just to remind listeners, Peanut the squirrel was an illicit, 321 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 4: allegedly illicit squirrel owned by a influencer who was, according 322 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 4: to Elon and many especially on the right, was cruelly 323 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 4: taken from his home euthanized tested for rabies. This was 324 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 4: like the It actually might have happened in November, but 325 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 4: it was like the closest thing we had in twenty 326 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 4: twenty four to an October surprise that ends the game. 327 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 4: The big winner today is Dana and I believe Ryan 328 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 4: and Sarah were tied for second, but in my book, 329 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 4: everybody's a winner. Dana Hall, congratulations, Oh what do I win? 330 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 7: What's the prize? Max? 331 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, we discussed that and we haven't figured it out 332 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 4: all right, So we have one last part of this 333 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 4: holiday spectacular for you, and it's gonna be predictions. Now 334 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 4: just to I'm gonna ask all of you to talk 335 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 4: about what you think is gonna happen. But we're just 336 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 4: gonna play a little tape of colleagues and friends of 337 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 4: the show. Talking about like what they see as their 338 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 4: Elon Musk predictions. 339 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 6: I got two predictions for this year for Elon Musk. 340 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 6: The first is that he's gonna fold x social network 341 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 6: formerly known as Twitter into Xai. So it's going to 342 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 6: be a way for him to basically salvage that you know, 343 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 6: struggling business get investors away out by merging those two companies. 344 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 6: And then second is that we're going to see some 345 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 6: kind of boys trip with Elon and Donald Trump going 346 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 6: to visit. I'm going to say, Kim John Noon this year, 347 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:23,959 Speaker 6: I have to just have a hunch that there's going 348 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 6: to be some very controversial weekend vacation for those guys. 349 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 9: My expectation for Elon Musk in twenty twenty five is 350 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 9: that he will continue to fly out the law on 351 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 9: corporate governance and other issues and believe that you know, 352 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 9: he's somehow special and he won't he doesn't need to 353 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 9: follow the same rules and customs that you know, the 354 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 9: little people follow. 355 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 10: My prediction for Doge is that Elon and Vivig are 356 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 10: going to get nowhere near the two trillion dollars that 357 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 10: they've proposed to cut unless you stretch the window for 358 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 10: cutting two trillion dollars to like one hundred years. 359 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 5: I guess my big prediction is that we are going 360 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 5: to learn something new on the fertility front. It could 361 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 5: be more babies that Elon's had. I think the current 362 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 5: number is twelve or thirteen. It could be some sort 363 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 5: of you know place, maybe in Texas. But I think 364 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 5: that we are going to learn more about how Elon 365 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 5: has been personally trying to fill the earth with more children. 366 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 5: That is more prediction. 367 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: So in twenty twenty five, I'm wondering, will Elon somehow 368 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: you stage to put his thumb on scale to help 369 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: his own companies. There's obvious ones like the FAA could 370 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: really help SpaceX if it wanted to. 371 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 4: But what about the FDA. 372 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: Could he use that to somehow really help Neuralink or 373 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,719 Speaker 1: the Department of Chain Insportation to help warn That's what 374 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: I'm going to be watching. 375 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 11: Hey, Papadoppolois here, I've got a whole slew of predictions, 376 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 11: praying that at least one of them proves to be correct. 377 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 11: First off, I've got those of the Committee scoring a 378 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 11: couple big early victories, you know, like permanent daylight savings 379 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 11: time or something. And then the whole thing fizzling out 380 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 11: pretty badly, sparking curiously a rally in doged the cryptocurrency. Next, 381 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 11: I've got the valuations of SpaceX and Tesla converging throughout 382 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 11: the year. Then I've got friend of Pod Kurt Wagner, 383 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 11: breaking down and buying a cyber truck. Lastly, of course, 384 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 11: a horse tip. You know, me being the gambling degenerate 385 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 11: and all. I've got a cult by the name of 386 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 11: the Chancer mcpatrick winning the one hundred and fifty first 387 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 11: running of the Kentucky Derby. 388 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 5: That's it. 389 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 4: I have no idea if that's a real course. All right, 390 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 4: So that was Kurt Wagner, Jeff Feely, Josh Green, Rayhan Harmancy, 391 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 4: Sarah McBride, and our host, our normal host anyway, David Papadopolis. 392 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 4: All right, Sarah, most plausible least plausible predictions. 393 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 8: That we just hurt Kurt getting a cybertruck. 394 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 4: Is that most plausible or the least plausible? 395 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 8: Well, I think least plausible, But anything is possible. I mean, 396 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 8: it's definitely possible that dose is gonna fizzle and turn 397 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 8: into a disaster and not cut the trillions that wants 398 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 8: to cut. 399 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 4: I mean not everyone. So there were some very safe 400 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 4: there were some very set safe bets here. 401 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 3: Oh, I definitely think they're gonna get rid of Dali 402 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 3: Zavi sent I'm rooting for them. 403 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 4: I feel like that is. 404 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 3: Like such an easy, obvious, pulled from a deep storyline 405 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 3: thing that could happen, that they'll do and then they'll 406 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 3: just sort of disappear. 407 00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 2: I think that is totally gonna happen. 408 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 4: I welcome the Daylight Savings repeal and also all the 409 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 4: quirky things, like the opportunity for just just you know, 410 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 4: government to get weird. I'd say, is like one of 411 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 4: the you know, one of the things I'm most looking 412 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 4: forward to in twenty twenty five. Dana, what about you? 413 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 4: Do you think a boys trip to North Korea is 414 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 4: in the in the cards like our colleague Kurt Wagner. 415 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 2: So that was another good one. 416 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 7: Actually, I thought that was that was an intriguing one. 417 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 7: I could definitely see a boy's trip to like Hungary 418 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 7: to visit like Victor Orbon more than North Korea. But 419 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 7: you know, Trump does really like to talk about North Korea, 420 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 7: so I could be wrong. I think the most plausible 421 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 7: one is more on the fertility front. Of course I'm 422 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 7: biased because we've written a lot about that, but more 423 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 7: babyhon suggestion was good, Yeah, more more children. 424 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 4: And I think if you had to, if you had 425 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 4: to put a number on. 426 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 7: It, well, you need a lot of people to populate 427 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 7: this Morris colony. And you know, I think we've talked 428 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 7: about this. Maybe we need to do a special segment. 429 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 7: But you know, Musk is always very by Genghis Khan 430 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 7: and like I would not, I mean, he has fathered 431 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 7: twelve children that we know of, with an emphasis of 432 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 7: on the that we know of. 433 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 4: Part I just want to remind everyone that we did 434 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 4: this podcast last time and I predicted that Elon Musk 435 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 4: and Georgia Maloney would come closer together. And although again 436 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 4: as as I said, Elon has denied having a romantic 437 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 4: relationship with Maloney, I feel like that picture. You know, 438 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 4: I really am proud of my prediction. That's all I'm saying. 439 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 7: That was a smart one. 440 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 2: Hey, we still have ten, ten fifteen days left of 441 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: the year. 442 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 4: We're recording this on December eleventh. Everyone, Yeah, so this 443 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 4: could you might be right? 444 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 11: You know. 445 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 4: All right, let's let's all give our you know, prediction 446 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 4: for twenty twenty five the year in Elon Musk, Ryan, 447 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 4: why don't you start one that I forget, like where 448 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 4: I sort of saw the idea, this idea, but I 449 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 4: think it's smart, which is that either ex buys. 450 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 3: Truth Social or truth Social buys X or there's some 451 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 3: sort of consolidation there. 452 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 2: I feel like that just. 453 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,959 Speaker 3: Makes well, maybe it won't happen because it makes too 454 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 3: much sense with these guys, like they don't really operate 455 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 3: that way. But that to me just feels like it's 456 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 3: dying to happen. And I feel like it might happen 457 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 3: if Blue Sky becomes more successful and someone explains what 458 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 3: Federation is to Elon Musk. 459 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 4: First of all, mind meld, that is exactly my That 460 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 4: was my answer as well, and that is not in 461 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 4: your computer, that is my was it really? That is 462 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 4: an idea that we have flowed on this podcast. I 463 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 4: feel like every time I bring it up, I get 464 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 4: made fun of, But I think that they I think 465 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 4: it could happen. I think that you know, True Social 466 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 4: is has a public listing, it doesn't really have an audience. 467 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 4: Elon Musk has this private company that could really use 468 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 4: a public listing. I feel like, Sarah, you need to 469 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 4: like throw cold water on this idea before Ryan and I, 470 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 4: you know, start, why. 471 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 8: Would you want to? I mean, I just don't see 472 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 8: that being that beneficial for Elon like to have true 473 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 8: social I think it's more likely that he will will 474 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 8: somehow end up with the US version of TikTok because 475 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 8: it needs to be it needs to be divested to 476 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 8: a US owner, and like Trump has said he will 477 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 8: save it. He didn't say how. 478 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 3: How would that deal work though, because hasn't bite Edan 479 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 3: said that, like they don't care enough about TikTok to 480 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 3: like in. 481 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 8: All truths. I don't think it's gonna happen. But it's 482 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 8: a it's a fun conspiracy. 483 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 4: You're just bringing it up to say how ridiculous bringing 484 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 4: it up to. 485 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 8: Say that, Like, it's just as implausible, you know what. 486 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 8: I what is more plausible I think is in the 487 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 8: realm of social media, is that we'll start to see 488 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 8: maybe a bit of a true slash light friendship developed 489 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 8: between Zuckerberg and Musk, who we have previously discussed as 490 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 8: cage match rivals. 491 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 4: Oh I like that, all right, Dana. What's your prediction 492 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 4: for twenty twenty five? 493 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 7: Oh gosh, so many Well, I'm really curious, I guess 494 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 7: I'm curious about the sam Altman feud and where that 495 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 7: lands and if there's a daytonte or whether there's an escalation. 496 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 7: You know, there was a there was a story that 497 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 7: they like briefly like hung around pit a bonfire together 498 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 7: Valley hugged, hugged or something. But then now that's now 499 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 7: the lawsuit is back on and Chavon Zillis is now 500 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 7: named as part of that lawsuit. So I really love 501 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 7: to know like how much equity she has an open 502 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 7: AI and why she's now a plaintiff in that suit. 503 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 7: So that's like sort of one bucket, I guess. The 504 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 7: other geopolitical bucket I'm really curious about is China and Taiwan, 505 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 7: and like what like Elon's Elon's dependency on China, his 506 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 7: relationship with China, his factory in China is just such 507 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 7: a big part of this whole potential tariff trade war 508 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 7: Taiwan chips like it. Like, I would love visibility into 509 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,719 Speaker 7: into what Elon does their visa VI the Trump administration. 510 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely think something in hearing some of these 511 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 4: like Blue Sky, we didn't really talk about Blue Sky. 512 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 4: It's growing really fast and and like maybe when we 513 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 4: do this in a year, that is going to be 514 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 4: the thing we're talking about. And then China absolutely like 515 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 4: it's you know, this seems like a real point of 516 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 4: contention between Trump and Elon potentially or between like Trump 517 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 4: supporters and Elon Musk. 518 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 7: I have one more, which is that you know, Rfk 519 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 7: is going to be confirmed for the head of HHS, 520 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 7: even though there's a lot of opposition to it. And 521 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 7: then you're going to see ketamine and psychondel, mushrooms and 522 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 7: m DNA and all kinds of therapies that uh, you 523 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 7: know that not just Musk but his brother Kimball and 524 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 7: Antonio Grassias, like Silicon Valley is very into psychedelics, and 525 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 7: I think you're just going to see like a sea 526 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 7: change happen where you know, it's just going to become normal. 527 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 7: It's going to become an increasingly allowed I mean, it 528 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 7: is allowed in some states under some circumstances, right, But 529 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 7: I just think you're going to you're gonna see kind 530 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 7: of Silicon Valley in this administration and breaks embrace psychonelex 531 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 7: for therapy in a way that no one could have predicted. 532 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 4: I look forward to doing this podcast in twenty twenty 533 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 4: five in December, high as heck on ketamine. 534 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 2: Your teeth are just. 535 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 3: Totally rotted out from lack of fluoride, and you're just 536 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 3: out of your mind on ketymine. 537 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, that sounds all right. Last question and then we 538 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 4: can end this glorious holiday special. Were and this came 539 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 4: up earlier, but you know, you see a lot of 540 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 4: people making predictions. I think Ryan actually brought it up 541 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 4: very early on. But the idea that at some point 542 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 4: Trump and Elon will inevitably have a falling out, and 543 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 4: I want everyone to give me a predicted date of 544 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 4: when it's going to happen and how it's going to happen. 545 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 4: Ryan Broderick, you start hold on. 546 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 3: I'm just googling how long Amurosa made it, and it 547 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 3: seems like she was designed January twenty eighteen. So do 548 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 3: I think Elon Musk has the juice to stay in 549 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 3: the succession orbit longer or shorter than Amerosa? I'm gonna 550 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 3: I'm gonna say he hangs on for the whole first year, 551 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 3: and I think. 552 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 4: He sticks. 553 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 3: He stays till like let's say twenty twenty six. Early 554 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 3: in the year he's gone like February February twenty twenty six. 555 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 4: Now is there a conflict or does he just gently leave? 556 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 4: Is it on good terms or porter? 557 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 3: I think Trump likes mixings up, kind of like in 558 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 3: certain cycles. I feel like the first year, everything kind 559 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 3: of holds still, and then I feel like it's gonna 560 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 3: start to shadow really fast as we get close to 561 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 3: the midterms and he starts to panic and he starts 562 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 3: to fire people. So I think that's that's how long 563 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 3: Elon Musk has. Okay, that's a well considered prediction. Sarah Fryar, 564 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 3: what do you what do you got? 565 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 8: I mean, I'm I'm the one who thought Linda Yakarino 566 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 8: wouldn't last more than in a few weeks, and she's 567 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 8: still at at stilcio of X. So I'm gonna I'm 568 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 8: gonna give this one a little more time. It's a 569 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 8: big investment that he made, and he seems pretty dedicated 570 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 8: to it. I think if it falls apart, it's going 571 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 8: to be on on Trump's terms, since Elon seems to 572 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 8: just want to be at our alago all the time 573 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 8: and have a hand in the building of this administration. 574 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 4: So give us a date. 575 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 8: I think he just gets distracted by something else at 576 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 8: some point. I think, you know, by this summer of 577 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 8: next year, we're not really gonna hear about Musk in DC. 578 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 4: So you're saying, like July, so lay the groundwork. 579 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 8: Five, be involved in this big decisions and then like 580 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 8: go back to his companies for a little bit. 581 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 4: Dana. 582 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 7: Maybe I'm gonna I'm gonna give a longer Leach. I'm 583 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 7: going to say, August twenty twenty six, He's got eighteen 584 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 7: months to do Doge. He really wants to do Doge. 585 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 7: She wants to. He wants to, you know, do as 586 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 7: much as he can in the next eighteen months. And 587 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 7: then and then maybe once the Doge project is done, 588 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 7: he'll he'll he'll be you know, he won't be as 589 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 7: much of a fixture, but I feel like he's gonna be. 590 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 7: He's gonna be thick as thieves with Trump for the 591 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 7: foreseeable future. 592 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 4: I agree. I think he's gonna make it past the midterm. 593 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 4: I mean, you know I passed the midterm. Yeah, the 594 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 4: money thing. Yeah, now, I don't know. I mean it's 595 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 4: like hearing everyone make these like very like relatively optimistic. 596 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 4: I thought someone was going to say like a week 597 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 4: from now or something, which which had been the conventional wisdom. 598 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 8: We learned our lesson with the Yakarino. 599 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 4: Yeah and the money. Yeah, I'm saying you know what. 600 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 4: There Elon is is on the campaign trail with JD 601 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 4: Vance and Donald Trump Junior in twenty twenty eight and 602 00:31:51,160 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 4: they are all friends. That's my prediction. Wow. Okay, So 603 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 4: that does it for our New Year's special. Guys, had 604 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 4: a great time hanging out with you, laughing about the 605 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 4: year that we had and predicting the year to come. 606 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 4: And we at Elon Ink will be there to cover it. 607 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 4: Write us, let us know what you think. Elon Inc. 608 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 4: At Bloomberg dot Net. Dana Hall, Sarah Fryar, Ryan Broderick, 609 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 4: thank you all for being here, Thank you for. 610 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 8: Having me, Thanks for having us so awesome. 611 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 7: Thanks Max. Epic episode. 612 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 4: This episode was produced by Stacey Wong. 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