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Speaker 1: Let's hit the inside scoop with FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal. Ken,

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Speaker 1: we have gotten this question the most in the past

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Speaker 1: two hours, so I'm like, oh, bring it right to you.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen anything like what the New York

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Speaker 1: Mets are doing with their pitching call ups now three

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Speaker 1: in a one month span, and this isn't just back

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Speaker 1: end filler, this is tryout auditions for October.

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Speaker 2: Scott. I don't know that I have ever seen anything

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Speaker 2: like this at this point in the season with a

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Speaker 2: contending team, particularly one in the largest market in the country.

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Speaker 2: But it's where they're at. And credit to them in

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Speaker 2: a way, because one of the things David Stearns was

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Speaker 2: charged with when they named him President Baseball Operations was

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Speaker 2: revamping and revitalizing their farm system, their infrastructure. They're drafting,

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Speaker 2: developing all of these things, and they're doing that and

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Speaker 2: they're getting there with these guys, and I don't know

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Speaker 2: if all of them were drafted under Stearns, I would

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Speaker 2: doubt that. I haven't looked at that. But it's a

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Speaker 2: credit to the development certainly that they're at this point.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, whatever it takes, right guys, if

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Speaker 2: these are the best pictures for them right now and

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Speaker 2: into October, then that is what they're going to do.

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Speaker 2: And the move of Senga to triple a today that

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Speaker 2: is surprising. That Will Simon of the athletics certainly hinted

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Speaker 2: at it and wrote about it a couple of days ago.

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Speaker 2: But again, this time of year, and you guys know this,

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Speaker 2: Todd Nerrik as well as anyone. It's all about performance

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Speaker 2: and all of the other stuff is secondary. This is

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Speaker 2: not tryout time. This is performance time. And what's incredible

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Speaker 2: is that the Mets have three non established pictures giving

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Speaker 2: them this kind of performance.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Obviously McLean's the only one who's done under sustained amount

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Speaker 2: see how sprot does and how Tong does going.

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Speaker 3: Forward, right Ken, I had to disagree with you. You

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Speaker 3: said they get credit. David Stearns, who's one of my

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Speaker 3: favorite because I worked with him with the Brewers, he

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Speaker 3: gets credit for this and the development staff everybody gets

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Speaker 3: credit for it, but doesn't David Stearns also get a

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Speaker 3: little bit of blame for the fact that they have

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Speaker 3: to bring these guys up. The fact that shan Manyah

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Speaker 3: goes down and he is your best signing in the offseason,

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Speaker 3: and you hope Kodei Sanga, who had a calf injury

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Speaker 3: and didn't pitch last year, like he gets blamed for

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Speaker 3: this too.

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Speaker 2: No, Eric, absolutely right, And don't get me wrong. I

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Speaker 2: was talking specifically about those three guys and the credit

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Speaker 2: for that. But you're the other side of this and

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Speaker 2: you mentioned it, and it's absolutely fair and accurate and

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Speaker 2: right to mention. Mantas Down hasn't contributed it at all.

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Speaker 2: Shawn and Andyah who they thought would be really good,

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Speaker 2: and no one questioned that signing when they made it.

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Speaker 2: Everyone thought it was a great signing by them and

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Speaker 2: their fans. Pretty much run in the industry. Hasn't worked

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Speaker 2: out so well. And I would argue Clay Holmes, as

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Speaker 2: good as he has been, and he really has been

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Speaker 2: guy that you can't necessarily count on to go deep

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Speaker 2: into games at this point of the season. So yes,

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Speaker 2: this plan that Sterns embarked upon last year, it worked

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Speaker 2: extremely well. Remember Severarino, Quintana, Manaia all pitched really well.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about these free agents on short term deals.

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Speaker 2: Did the same thing again hasn't worked so well. And

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Speaker 2: it's such a difficult thing to identify free agent pitching

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Speaker 2: and get the right guys, because if you go long,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna get bit one way, and if you go short,

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Speaker 2: you run the risk of getting bit this way. You're

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Speaker 2: not getting the same caliber of pitcher. At the same time,

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Speaker 2: you're not making the same kind of commitment. And sometimes

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Speaker 2: it's going to work, and sometimes, as we've seen, it's not.

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Speaker 2: And I was one of the people praising Sterns at

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Speaker 2: the start of the year. Oh man, look at the

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Speaker 2: Mets again. They've done this. Remember they're pitching to the

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Speaker 2: first two months. Their starting pitching was I believe the

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Speaker 4: I want to talk a little Al East action right now.

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Speaker 4: We got the Yankees and Blue Jays coming up. Excuse me,

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Speaker 4: looking at the pitching matchups. Cam Schlitter has been absolutely

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Speaker 4: phenomenal with Kevin Gosman has been really good against them.

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Speaker 4: Talk a little bit about what you're expecting to see

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Speaker 4: and how this race is gonna unfold at the end

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Speaker 2: Really interesting tonight. The first games you mentioned Schlitter versus

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Speaker 2: Gossman and Schlitter is the Mets the Yankees version of

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Speaker 2: about him in The Athletic Day by Chris Kirster. I'm

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Speaker 2: not trying for shameless plugs here, but it was a

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Speaker 2: good story about how Schliler wasn't really a guy they

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Speaker 2: season gained weight, velocity jump and now he looks the part.

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Speaker 2: He looks like a guy who can be included in

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Speaker 2: a playoff rotation. I'm not sure that's going to happen,

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Speaker 2: but we'll see. For the Yankees, that was a really

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Speaker 2: important series in Houston in my mind, as crazy as

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Speaker 2: it was for them to win the series, to show

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Speaker 2: they could beat a good team, and now they have

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Speaker 2: to beat the team that has haunted them the whole year,

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Speaker 2: the team that I believe it's ten errors in twelve

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Speaker 2: games against them were twelve hours and ten games they've made.

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Speaker 2: They've played poorly against Toronto. They've got them at home here,

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Speaker 2: and in my view, this is a critical series for

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Speaker 2: the New York Yankees just to sustain whatever it is

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Speaker 2: they've built over the last couple of weeks. They're still

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Speaker 2: not playing the cleanest brand of baseball we've ever seen,

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Speaker 2: but they're doing some really good things. And Trent Grisham's season,

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Speaker 2: to me, is one of the great surprises and great

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Speaker 3: All Right, you have the Rangers Astro series normally in

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Speaker 3: Texas and whatever they call it, the Eyes Eye of Texas,

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Speaker 3: they're on you. I don't know what all the song is,

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Speaker 3: but the Heart, the Heart of Texas. Yeah, is this

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Speaker 3: a series that we should actually be watching? Not just

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Speaker 3: because you're going to be on it and you do

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Speaker 3: these games, But is this a series that's gonna actually

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Speaker 3: be close? With the Rangers being out with the Astros

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Speaker 3: really not playing great baseball, but they have Jordan Alvarez

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Speaker 2: No? I don't believe. So I'm not just saying that

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Speaker 2: the past two weeks or so, they've played much better

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Speaker 2: kind of incredible what they've done without the players that

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Speaker 2: I just mentioned, so definitely has relevance. And de Gram

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Speaker 2: goes on our broadcast tomorrow night. The Astros aren't quite

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Speaker 2: set on their rotation because of the Arraghetty injury. They've

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Speaker 3: The Rangers with all those main guys, with Seeger and Simeon.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's their fault, but I'm saying we've

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Speaker 3: always questioned since twenty three, where is this offense? And

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Speaker 3: with the new infused energy I don't think you used

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Speaker 3: it go to the fact that possibly there has been

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's an unfair statement, and I don't

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Speaker 2: One of the issue us that this team has is

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Speaker 2: they believe those players would provide. They thought, not unfairly,

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Speaker 2: they had a bunch of nice guys, but they didn't

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Speaker 2: that sometimes you need. You need a different mix of

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Speaker 2: the satisfaction of anyone until lately, and you're absolutely right,

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Speaker 2: or the players that they have been using have brought

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Speaker 2: it's similarly helped. Now. My question is, and I think

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Speaker 2: it sounds like, and Simeon's less likely and evolved these

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Speaker 2: less likely as well, but Segar alone would make a

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Speaker 2: big difference this series, though it's going to be a

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Speaker 2: they've been doing to keep this going.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Ken, I didn't think I would ask you about

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Speaker 1: how they had performed over the last couple months until

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Speaker 1: a week ago. But how surprised are you that the Rays? Yes,

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Speaker 1: the Rays have a chance to make the postseason and

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Speaker 1: make things interesting. And if you can include in your

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Speaker 1: answer their trade deadline, I think it's important because they

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Speaker 1: had a chance to unload some other veterans and it

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Speaker 1: seemed to me like they held back because they're going

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Speaker 1: through a cell process and maybe Stu Sternberg wanted to

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Speaker 1: see the team be competitive down the finish line. It's

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Speaker 1: your team. You're the owner, you can do whatever you want.

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Speaker 2: I am surprised by what they've done, and I will

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Speaker 2: tell you this, Scott, they're surprised. I was talking to

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Speaker 2: this guy was saying, Man, we've got this great run differential,

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Speaker 2: it's right there with Toronto's, and yet our record is

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Speaker 2: this theirs is that we should be better. It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: It's baseball, and it's one of those years we just

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Speaker 2: can't explain. And then they started winning and they had

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Speaker 2: the great sweep of Seattle, and they've really kept it

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Speaker 2: going over the last I don't know, a week to

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Speaker 2: ten days, I would say. Now. As for the deadline,

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Speaker 2: it was kind of an odd deadline for them. Certainly

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Speaker 2: they did bring in Griffin Jacks, and they did do

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Speaker 2: some things, but it wasn't a situation where they were

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Speaker 2: trading Yondi Diaz, trading Brandon Loud, doing anything like that.

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Speaker 2: It seemed to me they didn't want to go and

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Speaker 2: give up on the season and what is almost certainly

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Speaker 2: Stuart Sternberg's last season. I don't know how much that

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Speaker 2: this situation catch Seattle, because Seattle at some point has

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Speaker 4: I want to go the last thing here. I want

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Speaker 4: to talk about the article that you wrote today eleven

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Speaker 4: years ago. I still can't believe it. I was on

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Speaker 4: a scary moment for everybody, especially raldus in Salvador and

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Speaker 4: now all of a sudden they have this special bond.

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Speaker 4: Eleven years later. It went like that, can you just

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Speaker 2: A couple things on this. First of all, Todd, I

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Speaker 2: And when they came back, of course I was not there,

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Speaker 2: not something that happened suddenly. It happened from that event

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Speaker 2: He brought it up. He said, I learned my work

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Speaker 2: since that awful incident.

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Speaker 1: You were there, right, Yeah, Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 4: I have flying third base. I remember the ball hit

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Speaker 4: I'm like, we darted right there, and you saw Salvador Perez.

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Speaker 4: He stopped, went right to his knees and everybody came out.

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Speaker 4: It was it was. It was a nasty scene, but

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Speaker 4: I'm just glad that he came out, okay from the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's scary, that's crazy that you were there. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll save the rest, obviously for the crowd.

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Speaker 3: To check out.

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Speaker 1: There's a shameless plug on the back end, but it's

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Speaker 1: a good one, uh. In The Athletic Ken's story out

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Speaker 1: this morning. Ken, thanks for the time. Enjoy the weekend

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Speaker 1: in Texas.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys,