WEBVTT - Paul Dean 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:12.600 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Set's podcast. 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:17.560 My guest today is Paul Dean of lover Boy. Paul, 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:19.400 do you have a new lover Boy movie? 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:23.160 Tell me about it. You know, we recorded this back 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:28.319 in eighty eighty one, I guess eighty two, yeah, because 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:29.920 it's called Live in eighty two. So yeah, it was 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:35.400 eighty two in Vancouver where I am right now, and 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:37.839 we recorded it on film. I think that probably the 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:41.080 only thing that we've ever recorded on film, other than 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:43.559 maybe a local thing boy back, but nothing that I 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:49.280 had had access to. And it was it was released 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.680 back in the day on super low Deth. You know 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:54.760 what it was like back back in eighty two. It 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:59.840 was one dot per inch kind of definition of pretty low. 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:04.600 And I somehow got hold of the film. There was 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:11.039 something like fifteen cans of film, and I can't remember 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:13.640 how I got them. And I carried them around and 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:18.320 I lived in I lived in Calgary, and I lived it, 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:21.000 I lived everywhere, and I carried these things around with me. 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:24.440 Moved four or five houses. And what am I carrying? 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.240 These big can It was like three big cans, like 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:30.040 massive cans with all these little guys inside I don't 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:31.840 even think I looked inside them all. I thought I 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:35.920 had three majrou you know, two inch. I didn't know 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:37.959 what was in them. So anyway, I opened them up 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:42.400 and I went, oh, that's cool. And I didn't really 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:44.000 know what to do with it, but you know, I 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:50.800 was keeping kept getting these messages on Facebook going, how 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:54.040 come you guys don't have a you never released a 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:58.880 live DVD or and I it was just that was 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:05.040 a great idea. I don't know why. So I took 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.360 the film out and I found a place here in 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:11.200 Vancouver and they transferred it. It took me two or 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:14.520 three places to find the right place, and they took 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:19.400 it and they transferred it. This is to It was 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:25.320 sixteen milimeter film to digital, and that was great. And 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:29.959 the beauty of it was we recorded twenty four track 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:34.280 at the same time and for the original recording, so 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:38.280 and somehow I had that tape too, and I had 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:43.280 that transferred to digital when I was in Calgary, not 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:45.120 knowing what I was going to do it along with 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.840 my other two hundred and thirty two inch tapes from 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:52.120 the Lover, but I had the whole archive that I 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.720 once again carried it around with these three tape cans 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:59.680 from town to town, and so yeah, I found a 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.160 studio they gave me a great rate in Calgary and 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:05.760 we bounced it or recorded it on the digital. So 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:11.040 I had forty years of music, including fairly relative you know, 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:15.720 the last what do you call it? The analog recordings 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:18.160 I did on two track or two inches, and that 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:22.960 was what year would I don't know, eighty something. So 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.359 I had all those and I put them on one 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:28.720 hard drive. So from two hundred and thirty tapes to 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:32.799 one little hard drive. It's like insane and super high 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:39.840 deft as well. So I had that and I just 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.320 had this idea says, you know, this is let me 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:43.960 see what it looks like. I didn't even I had 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:46.000 no idea what ook. I knew what was on it 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.440 because I'd seen it before. Obviously it was I've seen 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:52.240 the laser disc and it's pretty low deaf, and of 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.960 course there was on It's still on YouTube and it's 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.920 super low deaf. So I figured, let me see what 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:04.000 I can do with this, and so I got brought 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:08.840 it all home. I learned how to edit it. And 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:12.320 the kicker was, there was no this is getting a 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:16.320 little high tech stuff. But there was no timecode on 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:19.680 any of the songs, so I had to read Reno's 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.520 lips to find out even what song we were in 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.120 little you know, and then what section? And okay, there's 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:27.760 a solo? What am I playing? What song is this? 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.000 And there's Matt doing this amazing drum fill and I 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:34.359 think that might be you know, it's your life or something. 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.680 So that was a real that was a big job. 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:42.280 It was during the pandemic, so by nothing but time anyway, 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:45.800 So that was cool, but it was it was a 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:49.240 real mind burner. You know. I'd work on it for 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.320 like twenty minutes at a time and I'd just get 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.599 I'd get brainedd for it after twenty minutes agoing, Okay, 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.360 what song is this? Where's it going? Nudget a little bit, 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:00.640 get it in time with it with the try and 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:02.719 it's a little bit slower. Now I got to just 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:06.560 move it a little bit. And it was, it was, 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.080 it was. It was a great learning experience, but man, 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:12.000 it was a it was a brain frier. But it 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:13.520 took me a long time to do it. It took me. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:15.680 I don't know how many hours I put in it. 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:18.000 But once again, like I said, I was the pandemic 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.720 and I wasn't playing live, and I wasn't seeing any 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:24.800 of my friends. We're homebound, house bound for like whatever. 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:28.520 It was two years unreal. So I learned how to 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:35.040 edit it in Da vinci uh and I uh also 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:39.360 learned how to do a surround sound mix with in logic, 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.159 So it was like a I was self taught. I 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:44.839 went back. I went back to school for a couple 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.320 of years and learned all this high tech stuff how 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:51.440 to do it, and I finally got it to where 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:53.640 I thought it worked well. I got all the edits 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:57.320 and give everybody in the band equal time as much 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:01.920 as I could and uh uh. Then I found a 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:05.360 couple of places here in town in Vancouver, one that that, 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:07.479 like as I say, did the transfer. And then I 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:09.960 took it to this studio and they did a thing 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:12.679 what they call color correction. They make the blacks black 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:17.159 instead of gray, and the reds like everything really bright 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:21.520 and and uh vibrants. So they did that and uh 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:26.600 the same place they did the h I gave him 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.560 my what they call stamps. I gave him the six stamps, 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.800 two surround tracks and the left right and then the 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.520 center for Reno and me singing, and and then the 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.000 sub for the kick drum, a little bit of bass, 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:42.599 a little bit of synthesizer, and they they took all that, 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.480 all the elements, all the the place called it is 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:48.440 called the elemental Posts. It's a funny thing to be 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.159 coincidentally called that. So I took all the elements there, 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:56.279 and they put it together and gave me a reference. 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.920 Try a reference. Blu Ray finally had a blue ray, 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.880 not just a DVD, but a blue ray, so full Death, 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.920 and I just thought it was time to do it, 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:10.680 and that we shopped it around and ear music out 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:15.400 of Germany loves it. Then we're putting it out in June. 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:20.520 Okay, so you have a band. A lot of this 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.400 you did at home, but how do you agree to 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:26.680 get the band to pay for it? And how does 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:28.640 the band ultimately approve it. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:37.000 I started to Reno that I paid for it. It 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.800 was it wasn't that much money. It was like two sessions, 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.840 one session to do the transfer, and then a couple 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:44.920 of sessions, and then I went back and we retouched 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:48.120 it and I played it for Reno and he blew 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.080 him away, and that's it. 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:57.680 Okay, So you talk about Facebook. How active are you 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:03.800 on social media and how active are the over Boy fans? Well, 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:08.600 pretty active. I have my own my own Facebook page. 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:12.200 I'm very rarely on it, but I got a couple 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.160 of things to talk about, so I'm going to probably 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.920 get back on it again shortly. When you say you 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.840 have a couple of things, talk about the movie, what else. 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:29.120 I'm working on a instrumental album myself. It's it's going 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:32.080 to be we're going to call it lover Boy Instrumental, 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:36.200 which is it's kind of these songs are instrumental to 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:43.320 my success, and I wanted to record them soundtracks see 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.280 if anybody wanted to use it, because you know, a 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.960 lot of times when you have a like if you 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.800 have working for the weekend or something on a movie 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:53.960 they want they got to turn it way down because 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:56.320 they don't want it to interfere with the dialogue. So 0:08:56.360 --> 0:09:01.000 I figured, let me see if anybody's interested, and and 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:04.400 it plus, it's for our fans. It's all lover boys 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.160 playing on it. The only one who's not on it, 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:10.320 ironically is Reno, and he's totally he's done with it. 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:14.080 He's totally cool with it. With their concept and some 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:16.360 that's that's in the works. That's been in the works 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:18.000 for a while. I started recording it on the road 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:23.240 last summer with Foreigner in my hotel room and I 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.320 once again, it's took a lot of those tracks off 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:30.120 that one hard drive from from a lot from our 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.360 archives from way back. There's two or three tracks with 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:37.000 Scott Smith playing bass on it, and uh so I'm 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:38.880 doing that and I have a I have another band 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:40.240 that I that. 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:43.680 Were wait before we get to the other band. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:48.760 this is an instrumental version of lover boy music. Is 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:52.360 it stuff that was all previously recorded or you re 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:53.720 recording it? 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.480 It's all been it was all it was all recorded. 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:01.040 It was it's all live recordings that I've recorded over 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:01.480 the years. 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:07.840 Okay, but they're without vocals, correct. And you say there's 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:11.920 a demand for this with stinks, with movies, et cetera. 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:16.040 I'm hoping. I mean, we've working for the weekend and 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:17.800 Jemy Lucy has been a lot of movies and a 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:21.520 lot of commercials and stuff like that, and it's just 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.920 something once again that you know, when I'm not touring 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:26.520 or even what I am to and it's just something 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:27.959 I like to do. I like to really like to 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:32.280 keep busy. I'm a bit of a I guess you 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:36.240 could call me a workaholic perhaps. 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.560 Okay, since you're a workaholic. Are you married? 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:43.440 Oh? I am, and I have a son, and yeah. 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:44.720 How many times you've been married? 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.120 Well, you know what, I got to admit it, we're 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:54.520 not really married. We've been living together for fifty one years. 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:59.480 Okay, So just to stop here for a second, as 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:03.400 your has your partner ever been married before she was 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:03.800 with you? 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:04.720 Nope? 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.280 Have you ever been married before you were with her? 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:09.200 Nope? 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:13.760 And you choose not to get married because. 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:17.319 I don't want to be rude here, but none of 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:21.280 your goddamn business, Bob, No, that's not Wait. 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:22.760 If you don't have to answer anything, you don't want 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.640 to answer them. I have been married, and I am divorced, 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:32.080 and my girlfriend is has been divorced twice. We lived together, 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.040 it's been nineteen years, and we're not married. 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:36.240 There you go. 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:41.240 So on some level, I don't want to go through 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:44.640 another divorce. On another level, I come from the Joni 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:47.040 Mitchell school. If we don't need no piece of paper 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.760 from the upstairs choir keeping his tide and true. 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:51.400 So I was just asking. 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:56.240 Okay, that's why I was asking. I'm not probing for 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:57.240 any dirty. 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.600 I know, I'm just giving you a hard time, but 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:02.480 the exactly how I feel it's really it's it's between 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:04.760 Denise and me. It's got nothing to do with anybody else, 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:08.400 you know. And I don't need to go and take 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:10.199 a bow, and I make my bow to her. I 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:11.800 don't make it to anybody else. 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.199 Well, the reason I bring up marriage, you say you're 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:19.760 a workaholic, You're a touring musician that is hard on relationships. 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:22.959 So how does it end up working in your relationship 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.480 which obviously works for fifty one years? 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:36.679 Hey, Denise, no, wow. I like to think that we're 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:40.840 pretty reasonable people. And she is really Denise is really giving, 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:44.439 and she understands and she wants she's a fan. She 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.559 wants me to succeed she and she supports me in 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:51.319 whatever I do. And I call her level one. She's 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.040 she's kind of you know, what do you think about 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.480 this idea? And she'll just she'll either love it or 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:01.080 she'll luke warm it or she'll hate it. And I 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:04.440 really lean on that on those those decisions, you know 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:06.839 those She's pretty smart cookie. 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:08.679 And what is your son up to. 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:17.360 He's right now. He's working on getting a making a 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:20.640 board game. He's written that board game and he's a 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:24.280 he said, he said artist as well, and he's worked. 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.559 That's what he's working on. So we'll see where that comes. 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:28.920 I support him on that. I think it would be 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:33.040 pretty cool. He bought a Dungeons and Dragons game I 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.640 think it was, AND's this massive box in all this 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.320 friends play it and everybody has fun. And this you know, 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.640 it comes with three hundred pieces of men and and 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:46.040 maps and a rule book like like like the Bible. 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:50.560 And he's basically he's written the rule book. And I'm 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:52.680 you know, supporting them. And I'm saying, come on, if this, 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:56.200 if these guys can put this box out, I look, 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.640 I tell him. He says, you know, I started as 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:00.960 a as a guitar player, but I started as a songwriter. 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:02.920 I didn't have anything. I didn't know what I was doing. 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.720 I just started doing it. Eventually I figured it out, 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:07.440 and this is a really good start. I said, I 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:12.520 support this creative thing because either or do you know 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:17.079 you want to work a Best Buy again? And no, Dad, 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:19.280 So that's what he's doing. 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:24.480 Okay, let's go back to the sync your songs? Do 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:26.680 you own your rights in your songs? 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:34.200 I own all the rights to the live recordings. 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:38.080 I guess, so, I guess what I'm saying is the 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:41.480 songs themselves turn it loose, working for the weekend, etc. 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:47.080 There's a right in the song. Sometimes people have publishing 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.640 deals so they just have the writers share. There could 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:51.680 be in America there's a reversion. 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:52.080 Right. 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.440 Then there are people who sell the rights. So at 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:58.720 this point in time those songs, who owns those songs? 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:06.400 Sony owns the masters, the original masters that we recorded 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:10.480 in up until eighty what was eighty five? I guess 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:13.840 Love and Every Minute of It, or maybe maybe a 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:15.760 couple albums after that, they owned the rights of those 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.400 because we were under contract with them. But since then 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:20.680 we own everything. We own all the all the rights, 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:22.760 all the publishing, all the masters, all everything. 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:26.479 Well, the songs are a separate right from the albums. 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:27.560 That's right. 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:30.520 Does Sony own the songs or do you own the songs? 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:36.040 We have? We share them with Sony? Okay, but I 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:39.120 think maybe you're you might be getting at Do I 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.560 want to sell my catalog? How come I haven't sold 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:43.360 my cattle? I don't know if you wanted to go 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:44.040 there or not, but. 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:46.120 Well I wanted to go there. That was not where 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.760 they You know, I was asking earlier because a lot 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.120 of people have been through twists and turns. They've given 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.000 up things they didn't want to give, et cetera. But 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:56.560 since you brought it up, would you sell your rights? 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.760 I don't think it's worth it, really, to be honest. Plus, 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:06.000 the way I look at it, my son he's young enough, 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:10.280 and he would he can benefit from this fifteen, eighteen, 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:13.880 twenty years old. Whatever is the going rate, and they're 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.760 not from my experience or from what I've looked into, 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:20.880 is you're going to get what you make times those years. 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:25.520 And then in other words, if you make I won't 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.480 throw any figures out, but whatever you make, if you 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.920 multiply that times twenty or fifteen or whatever, that's the 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:34.000 size of your check, and then you give a big 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:35.920 chunk of that to the government, then well you do 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.520 that anyway, that's no big deal. But in twenty years 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:41.840 from now, when my son is, you know, still going 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.160 he's going to you're twenty one, he's still going to 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:48.680 be making the same amount of money tax wise, it's 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.640 a little different, but there's still going to be an 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.600 income coming from that. So that's that's kind of how 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:55.160 I look at it. 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:59.520 I don't believe in selling either. Are your songs lucrative 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:03.000 enough that you don't have to have other sources of income? 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:11.000 Yeah? I make a really good living off my publishing 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.359 for sure, off of my song working for the Weekend 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:16.760 in particular, it's ridiculous how much a song that's forty 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:20.000 years old can still generate. It's really great, amazing. 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:25.159 Okay, talking about record royalties, you know, people are bitching 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:28.399 about Spotify payments and in truth, a lot of people 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:31.240 never even made it into royalties in the old days. 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:34.840 Do you still get royalties on the records that Sony 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.600 owns or do they say you're still in a negative position. 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:43.200 No. I think the negative position would be you haven't 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.960 recouped yet, you haven't paid back what invest And that 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.400 was long ago, like that was the first six months 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:51.760 the way they were recouped. And so yeah, we get 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:56.480 paid from Sony and from all these different collection agencies 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:57.440 for sure. 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:03.199 And now that COVID is over, when or how frequently 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:07.000 might people be able to see lover Boy? 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.679 We have right now, we're sitting at close to fifty 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:15.480 shows coming up, and we typically in non COVID years 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:20.520 will play fifty shows. Fifties pretty comfy. Sixties Still okay, 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:23.120 we did. We did a tour, We did eighty shows, 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:25.720 and I really didn't want to play Turn Me Loose 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:29.439 again that year. By the end of the hour, I 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:34.080 was pretty much done, for example. But fifty or sixty 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:35.680 plus it. You know, if you're on the if you've 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.760 got eighty shows, that means you're and getting back to 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:42.840 marriage and everything. That means you're on the road for 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:47.320 more than half the year. And if it's if it's 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:51.240 in the States, then then immigration doesn't smile too kindly 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:53.439 if you're If you're more than half a year in 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:55.440 the US, there it's not a good thing. 0:18:55.560 --> 0:19:04.919 So at this point, how do the members of the 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.080 band get along? There are a lot of bands where 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:09.200 they hate each other, but they do it for the money. 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:12.000 How about Lover Boy. 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:14.920 I'm sure the money is a factor, there's no question 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:18.240 about it. But I can only speak for myself. I 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:24.520 just love to play, and I'm not real crazy about 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:28.800 the hours in spent flying around and busting around, but 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:33.359 that's the price should pay for the joy of playing music. 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.080 I love to play guitar, and I love to play. 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:40.080 My songs are songs, I should say, and I love 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:41.880 to play with these guys. I mean, it's a hell 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:45.000 of a band. It's a really good band. And I 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:48.240 make sure it's different every night. For me, it's different 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:52.520 every night, even though we play basically the same songs forever, 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:59.359 you know, but there's little things and different different crowds 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:05.440 and different mixes, and but I try to play it 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.040 slightly different every day. There's certain things that you don't 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:11.000 want to mess with, you know, don down down, down 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:12.920 down down. You don't you know, you got to play 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.879 the theme. But the rest of it it's pretty much open, 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:17.159 open season, you know. 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:20.400 And do you rehearse when you're not on the road. 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:21.320 Do you play the guitar? 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:26.800 I practice at home. I working on new songs, griffs, 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:32.720 physically working on my guitar. I'm a I'm a tinkerer. 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:35.840 I guess I'm called. I built my first guitar in 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:41.600 the twelfth grade and the teacher said, if it works, 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.359 you pass, and I passed. So that was but I'd 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:47.959 already been playing guitar. I remember I bought a Fender 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:51.639 jazz Master was five hundred and forty bucks, and this 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:54.720 is in nineteen sixty two. I bought a brand new, 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:58.879 brand new jazz Master. I was. I was raised in 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:01.640 the in the in the mountains of British Columbia, and 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:04.560 we used to go into Calgary twice a year and 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:06.439 one of those times I went, I was looking for 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:09.479 a strat like the I wanted to get a salmon 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:12.040 colored strat like the Shadows played. At the time. I 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:15.600 was ah still ambit was a huge Shadows fan, but 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:17.320 they didn't have any so they had a jazz Matter 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:19.240 which was kind of a Ventures guitar, and I was 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:21.520 a big fan of the Adventures too, so I brought 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:26.120 bought that guitar with my I the way I got 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:30.040 paid working for my parents at this twenty two acre 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:34.280 resort that they bought for forty thousand dollars in nineteen 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:38.040 fifty three on the on the lake front, if you 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:43.600 can imagine that forty grand but anyway, and we had 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:47.359 we had sixteen cabins and a campground and my job 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.879 was to deliver They all had wood stove, so my 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:54.359 job was to deliver paper and kindling and a little bit 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:56.600 of wood and take the garbage out every day. That 0:21:56.640 --> 0:21:58.119 would be the thing. And I had this cart that 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:01.760 I would carry around shard, I should say. And the 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:03.919 and the way I got paid was I would collect 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:07.359 all the beer bottles. And my dad said, you can 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:10.679 have all the money from the beer bottles. And so 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:13.200 I was making, you know, through four hundred dollars a summer, 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:16.600 just a kid, a kid, A seventeen year old kid, 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:20.000 sixteen year old kid, you know, uh, throw out of 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:22.159 money back then. Plus I was living at home or whatever. 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:28.040 And I remember I brought that I had the jazz Master. 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:30.720 Man I wanted to figure out how it worked, so 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:32.360 I took it all apart complete. 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:35.320 Since since we're on the jazz Master, what were you 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:37.040 doing for an amp if you had what. 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:42.520 I started out with a with a silver tone amp 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:46.600 that I got from the catalog the Eating series. It 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:48.560 was just actually it was called I think it's either 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:51.280 Sears or Eating. So I can't remember, but we'll say 0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:54.159 serious because it's a everybody can relate to what that is. 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:58.080 So I had a harmony guitar, a two pickup harmony 0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:03.359 guitar like a guitar, and uh, this this amplifier, and 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:06.439 so I graduated to this this jazz master, and I 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:08.280