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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this episode number one and

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Speaker 1: today the show, we are joined by Levi Morgan. Levi

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Speaker 1: is one of the most accomplished archers and ball owners

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Speaker 1: in the world, and in our conversation today we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be discussing his keys to becoming a better archer and

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Speaker 1: deer hunter, and we're going into some really interesting detail.

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Speaker 1: All right, folks, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Sick Gear, and today, as I

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Speaker 1: just mentioned, I'm joined by Levi Morgen and Levi, if

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Speaker 1: you're not familiar, it's quite possibly the most accomplished archer

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Speaker 1: in the world today on the archery tournament circuit. The

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Speaker 1: latest numbers i've seen show him being named the shooter

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Speaker 1: of the year ten times. I think it was ten

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Speaker 1: times in the row actually, and he's also won multiple

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Speaker 1: world titles. And from a hunting standpoint, Levi has been

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Speaker 1: all over the world hunting, including a lot of white

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Speaker 1: and himself and his wife. They host the Bowlife TV show.

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Speaker 1: So today my conversation with Levi is going to be

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Speaker 1: split into two halves. First, we're gonna takes some time

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Speaker 1: to talk about his two thousand seventeen hunting season and

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Speaker 1: some of the different lessons he's learned from a deer

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Speaker 1: hunting perspective, some different ideas from a tactic and strategy

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Speaker 1: standpoint that might be helpful to everybody. And then secondly,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna take some time to dive deep into archery,

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Speaker 1: which is something that Levi is especially and uniquely UM

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Speaker 1: I think prepared to talk about and help us better understand.

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Speaker 1: So we'renna get his perspective on both setups and arrows

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Speaker 1: and accessories, um, how to practice better, different drills to try,

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Speaker 1: um different ways to improve accuracy, how to handle the

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Speaker 1: mental aspects of bow hunting and shooting a bow, you know,

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Speaker 1: handling the moment of truth, A lot of stuff along

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Speaker 1: those lines. And trust me on this one, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: enjoy it. I really enjoyed this conversation. And usually at

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Speaker 1: this point this is where we would have our little

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Speaker 1: pregame discussion between my co host Dan and myself but

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Speaker 1: Dan couldn't make this episode, so we're just gonna have

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Speaker 1: to put off our dad life conversation until next time.

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Speaker 1: And uh, speaking of dad life, well, you know what, actually,

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Speaker 1: I guess for those of you who don't follow Wired

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Speaker 1: gonna make you guys waited out another week before we

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Speaker 1: talk about anything related to um my life outside of hunting.

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Speaker 1: We've got a little bit of news, but me and

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Speaker 1: Dan will talk about it here next time. And I guess,

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Speaker 1: speaking of that, I will use this as an opportunity

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Speaker 1: um speaking social media, if you're not following Wired to

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Speaker 1: Hunt on social media, please go ahead and go do that.

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Speaker 1: That is the best way to stay up to date

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Speaker 1: on what I've got going on, new things coming out

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Speaker 1: and outdoor ventures. So Facebook is a great place to

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt on Instagram, that is one of my

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Speaker 1: Instagram stories where I'm sharing um, especially right now in

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Speaker 1: the off season I'm going back and looking back on

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Speaker 1: these recaps and these things I've done. So be sure

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Speaker 1: would be incredibly appreciated, very very very helpful and does

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Speaker 1: not take much time at all. You can do it

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Speaker 1: very interesting conversation with Levi Morgan. For this week's Sicko story,

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Speaker 1: we're joined by Darton Hardwick, who tells us about his

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Speaker 1: hunt for a triple beam buck. So it was the

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Speaker 1: when the now on the line is Levi Morgan. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to show Leva. Hey, Mark, thank you. I'm appreciate the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to be on you. Yeah, absolutely and definitely appreciate

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Speaker 1: you taking the time to do it. And before before

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Speaker 1: Can you kind of give us the story of how

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Speaker 1: all happen? Uh? You know, my dad was a big

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Speaker 1: you think you'd have to questions? Yeah, bo hunt? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: How did this two thousand seventeen season go for you?

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Speaker 1: It was awesome. We started UM up in Northwest Territories

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Speaker 1: You know, they're so different. I think white tail always

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Speaker 1: The whole process of white tail hunting I love, you know,

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Speaker 1: hunting is work and and just being mentally tough, and

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Speaker 1: react enough to duck the arrow that would be going

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00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 1: to hit him in the heart, you know, in that way,

430
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,880
Speaker 1: if he doesn't move, he still got him. But it's

431
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 1: just where I was aiming. I was flirting with shooting

432
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 1: too low. So yeah, so so speaking of flirting with

433
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 1: a disaster. Um, at least for me, every year, I

434
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: make a handful of mistakes that I look back on

435
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: and cringe a little bit. Did you make any mistakes

436
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: this year that you that like stand out and you're

437
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: saying that that was a doozy and you can learn

438
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 1: from it. Oh gosh, I'm trying to think. I though

439
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: I make a lot of mistakes, you know, maybe not

440
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 1: shooting wise, but um, hunting wise, I did, for sure,

441
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 1: But I do it all the time. I have a

442
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: problem being way too aggressive white to hunt. And uh,

443
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 1: you know, I think I get it, dear figured out

444
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 1: I moved right in on him. And so the main

445
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: reason is as I normally chow up at the least

446
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: or something, I got seven days, you know, and so um,

447
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 1: this year in Illinois kind of paid off. I didn't really,

448
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: I didn't really I think learning my lesson. Maybe it's

449
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: either in the aggressiveness, but I normally learned a lot

450
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: of lessons by being too aggressive. This year it seemed

451
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: like every time I did that, I killed a deer.

452
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: So it's probably gonna hurt me next year. Um, but

453
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: that's probably my biggest thing. I have to try to

454
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: reel myself in when I'm deer hunting, to scout more

455
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: than a hunt and you know, hang observation, stands and

456
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 1: watch instead of going on I got these deer picked,

457
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to move right in on them, you know,

458
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: because uh, that's bit me in the butt several times

459
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: on real real big deer in the past, I get

460
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 1: real anxious and get too aggressive on him. So so,

461
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: so what is your typical process then for tackling one

462
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: of these quick you know? Seven day huns on a

463
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: property that you know, maybe out of state, that you're

464
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: not able to be on a whole lot. Um, how

465
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 1: do you go about doing that? How do you balance

466
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: that scouting and hunting? When do you strike? I'm curious

467
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: about that. Well, it's you know, most of these places

468
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: we have hunted for years um and have history with

469
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: and we run cameras on pretty much year round. So

470
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: the first thing we do when we get there is

471
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: is find out, you know what cameras we can get

472
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: to with whatever the wind is, and let the least

473
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 1: intrusive as possible and pull cards and kind of see

474
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: what what's going on where. Um. That paired with you

475
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: know past history of the place. Um. And you know

476
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: we already we go hang sets in the summer and

477
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: try to have all that done. You know, a major

478
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: pinch points and a lot of times we're still running

479
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 1: and gunning and hanging in the rut anyway if we

480
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: see something two or three times um. But you know

481
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: that's kind of the way it is. We we'd really

482
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: try to, you know, let our cameras do most of

483
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 1: the scouting force um and and just move in when

484
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: the when the wind and the you know, the weather

485
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: is right, um, or just when you got seven days

486
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 1: you kind of got to go in anyway, And you

487
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: know what we would do is is pool cards and

488
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: if there's nothing really solids that we can lock in on,

489
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: we'll go sit somewhere where we can see a long

490
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: way to see a lot of you know, where the

491
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: does are at, if it's the rud or you know,

492
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: you know, it just depends. It's every situation seems to

493
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: be so different early season, you know, it depends on

494
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: it the acorns are falling and and and where, and

495
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: if they're hitting beans or if they're dried up and

496
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: they're already all in standing corn. And the white tail.

497
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: I think that's why I've fell in love with them

498
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: so much, is that it is never ending. What you know,

499
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: battles and situations are faced with to try and find

500
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: a big mature buck. You know, yeah, no, no doubt

501
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: about that. I saw, um, that you had a situation.

502
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: I think it was in Pennsylvania, Correct me if I'm wrong,

503
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: But I saw that you had a target buck that

504
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: you were hunting in Pennsylvania. I think you call him

505
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: boswell and um, and then someone else ended up shooting

506
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: that buck and it kinda I could relate to that

507
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: because the last three years I've been hunting one buck

508
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: here in Michigan and it looks like he probably got

509
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: killed by another guy. So how did you How did

510
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: that story with Boswell go for you? And how did

511
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: you kind of process the fact that someone else got

512
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: him that hunt was done for you? Well, it was um,

513
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: you know t a. I hadn't really hunted a whole

514
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: lot when we moved here. We bought you know, a

515
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: house in twenty five acres and shot hunted one evening

516
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: behind my house four years ago and shot a nice

517
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: you know in nine point and I just really have

518
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: a hunted Pennsylvania. Since I just kind of watched and

519
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: didn't have it here, I wanted to go after and

520
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 1: so I met a guy in this local area that

521
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: owned a lot of ground, um and he didn't really

522
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: hunt a lot, just a couple of days in riffle season,

523
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: and super nice guy UM gave me permission to hunt

524
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: one of his farms. And it was kind of the

525
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 1: first time I had really fintured out since we moved

526
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: here to try and find a bucks to hunt this year,

527
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: the main reason being Samantha was pregnant and do in October.

528
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: Urgency was do November eight. So I knew I was

529
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: going to be home and prime Whitehill that time, and

530
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: I wanted, yeah, it's perfect, right, So I wanted to

531
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: be I wanted to be you know, kind of set

532
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 1: up and have a deer to go after those last

533
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: few weeks October leading into November where I knew I

534
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: was going to have to be home and so um

535
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: he had you know a little ninety acre track that

536
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: was really good, and it was like ten minutes from

537
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: my house. So I kind of went and keyed in

538
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: on that and and literally the second year I got

539
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: a picture of it was a deer we ended up

540
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: naming Boswell and he was just an incredible deer, um

541
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: twenty four inches inside hundred and sixty inch, you know,

542
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: eight point clean eight, just a giant and had like

543
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: ten inch brows. And I named him Boswell because with

544
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: Steeler fans and his is um brow times looked like

545
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: huge field goal posts and bosswels to field goal picker

546
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: for the Steelers. That's how we got that name. But yeah,

547
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: so I knew right then I was going I was

548
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: going to spend my entire you know, late October November

549
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: on that that buck, and we we passed a lot

550
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: of good news there um and never laid eyes on him. Um.

551
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: I saw. I had him on cameras so many times,

552
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: you know, and I had him coming into this big

553
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: greenfield every evening and like ten minutes till dark to

554
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: ten minutes after dark. And it was really hard to

555
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: get in there without boiling a bunch of deer out.

556
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 1: And the main thing was after the hunt was over,

557
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: if I didn't get him killed, I would have to

558
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: blow the field out to get out. So I didn't

559
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: even go in there. I was waiting on perfect weather,

560
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: perfect conditions, and I was gonna go in and I

561
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: would have one or two chances to kill him on

562
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: that spot before I blew it. And I remember October, Um,

563
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: me and Mike got up when we went to a

564
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: stand probably two or three hundred yards office greenfield, just

565
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: try to catch him going back into the bed area, um,

566
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: because we had started getting some daylight, real random daylights

567
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: of him. And didn't kill in that morning. But the

568
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: temperature was dropping and it was the first cold front

569
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: of the year, really, and it was gonna be like

570
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: a high forty five that day. And I looked at

571
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: Mike and I said, ever been to kill bos Well tonight?

572
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: And I was just knew it. I was so confident

573
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: he was going to be in that bringfield away before dark.

574
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: And got out to the truck, my phone rings Samantha

575
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: was going into labor, and so literally rushed home, went

576
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: to the hospital. We had Jackson, uh like two weeks early,

577
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,719
Speaker 1: come home three days later, go pull cars and he

578
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: was all over an hour before dark every morning, every evening,

579
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: he was everywhere, and the daylight by this time it

580
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: was hot again. He's back to his right at dark

581
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: pattern and and so I hunted him hard until November six,

582
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: and then we ended up leaving to go to Illinois.

583
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: Hunted there for a few days, and when I came home,

584
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: season was closed. I think it closed on the evn't

585
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: here n p A this year, and so I knew.

586
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I'm gonna, you know, late season,

587
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: when it gets cold. I'll try to key in and

588
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: tell him. And so rifle season comes in like I

589
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: don't know what's that right after Thanksgiving, and Boteo of

590
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: course has been everywhere on the farm daylight. But the

591
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 1: season closed for archery, and we couldn't hunt him, and

592
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: it was kind of brutal. But so rifle season in

593
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: and jason landowner um Is is hunting a little bit

594
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: in riffle season, and so it kind of called me

595
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: a little discouraged. Um about two days into rifle season said, man,

596
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: I haven't seen a buck. I've not seen anything, you know.

597
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: I just don't feel like there's any bucks on the farm.

598
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: And so I was like, I'll go run, run a

599
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: few cameras and see what's there. And and uh, we're

600
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: out there. And man, I had him. He was coming

601
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: every day, and I just wasn't gun hunting and so

602
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: and I was because I was afraid if I went

603
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: in there and tried to kill him. A gun season

604
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: p A is like Michigan, there's so many hunters is

605
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: that if you were to push him to a neighbor,

606
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: he's dead that day, you know. So I was like,

607
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: I'm not going in there and gun seas and I'm

608
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: not doing it. So I just kind of slipped and

609
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: pulled a couple of cards for Jason and he was

610
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: all over it. In the daylight. I called him at

611
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: probably twelve thirty one and said, hey, man, I said,

612
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: there's a giant and he's you know, he's coming out

613
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: and back into this greenfield every night, you know. And

614
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: so he rushed home, jumped up in a box line

615
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: and shot him right before dark and called me, you know,

616
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: and and uh, I was so pumped for him. He's

617
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: he's very unselfish guy to let me hunt his farm

618
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: all year, and so I definitely wasn't gonna keep info

619
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: from him, you know. And and uh so I was

620
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: happy for him that he got him. And it was

621
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: cool he called me and let me come out and

622
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: we kind of helped in the recovery, and it was

623
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: cool to hold him, you know, after hunting him all

624
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: year long. So wow, that's the story of Boswell. Heck

625
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: of a story. Gotta be a little bitter sweet, I

626
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: know that feeling, But like you said, it was. I mean,

627
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: obviously you put so much energy into it there, and

628
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: I could have killed him several times, just didn't. You know.

629
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: He's zigged and zag the right way and just was

630
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: meant to be. That's what keeps us coming back for him, though,

631
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: right The fact that's so darn frustrating and tricky sometimes

632
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: and a few times it does come together makes it

633
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: all worthwhile. So oh, I know it. And he was

634
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: killable man. I mean he made mistakes. I just wasn't

635
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: there when he did it. So, so you've hunted everywhere

636
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: from Pennsylvania where there's tons and tons of hunting pressure,

637
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: to places out in Kansas or Oklahoma where maybe there's

638
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: not as much pressure. You've been north and south, all

639
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: over the place in white tail country. Um. If there

640
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: were any big picture, maybe one or two overarching like

641
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: principles that you could take and show to a guy

642
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: or girl who wants to take that step from becoming

643
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: like an average deer hunter to becoming you know, consistent,

644
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: you know killer, a mature bucks, someone who wants to

645
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: take that next step. What would be the one or

646
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: two big things you would say that you know, might

647
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: Bill help him do that? Well? I think, um, pressure

648
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: is the main thing, is um, because those big bucks

649
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: will pattern You're just like your patterning them. And access

650
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: is access and pressure It's what I've learned on big

651
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: white tails is the only way to kill him. Um.

652
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: You have to watch how you get in and out,

653
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: um to your stands, and you have to really limit

654
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: the pressure on his core area. UM. I mean, if

655
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: he's living on your farm or if you think you

656
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: know right where this fuck is bedding and feeding, you

657
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: literally don't want to hunt him until it's perfect. And

658
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: I like to hunt edges and real real I like

659
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: to hunt edges when I have time, like and and

660
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: not go straight and blow in there like I was

661
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: talking about earlier. But when you have five or six

662
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: seven as to hunt, you kind of have to get

663
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: in there and hunt. And that's where I was saying,

664
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: I've made a lot of mistakes and getting way too aggressive.

665
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: So I think if you're hunting the phone that you

666
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: was gonna hunt all year, you live and it's your

667
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: home state, I think, like I did with Boso this year,

668
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: I played it really perfect. I think as far as

669
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: I didn't pressure him, I didn't go in there and

670
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: blow him, I was bed arry. He was so comfortable

671
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: even in the middle of rifle season because we had

672
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: we had not pressured him at all. We didn't never jumped,

673
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: and never went into his bedroom. So um, I think

674
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: that's that was key. We just weren't there when he

675
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: came out in the daylight, you know, and so almost

676
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: probably wasn't aggressive enough with him. But I think, um,

677
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: pressure and access you gotta have a way in and

678
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: out without blowing the deer out. And and that's that's

679
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: the same no matter where a hunt, everywhere we go,

680
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: if we don't have good access, we can hunderstand one

681
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: or two times and it's no good anymore, you know.

682
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: And it takes two weeks for that stand to be

683
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: back even close to normal again with deer activity. So yeah, yeah,

684
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: So when it comes to choosing the right times to

685
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: to go in there after him, choosing the right times

686
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: to put that pressure on. I've talked to so many

687
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: different people and everyone has different things that they key

688
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: in on. Some guys are all about the temperature. Some

689
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: guys are all about the moon. Some some people it's

690
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: some combination of all the above and bear much of

691
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: pressure and all sorts of other things. Um, what are

692
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: the things that you key on the most? To tell

693
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,479
Speaker 1: you that now is the time strike, I think time

694
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: of year and obviously, um, you know, weather is huge

695
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: for me. At the moon. I've killed so many deer

696
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: on a full moon, so many big deer that I

697
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: just I love hunting a full moon. Um, I will

698
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: literally you, I think you get real random hours of

699
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: deer movement on a full moon. It could be daylight,

700
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: it could be a tin, it could be at one.

701
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: You just never know when he's gonna come out. But um,

702
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: I think the time of year, um and weather and

703
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: weather is going to pretty much trump everything else in

704
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: my opinion. You know, I like high pressure, sunny days,

705
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: and and you know, obviously November the eighth, you know, obviously,

706
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: I mean that's an ideal, but I mean, yeah, I

707
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: would say whether and the time of year would be

708
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: the two most important factors of that for me determined

709
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 1: and how aggressive I'm going to be. And and obviously

710
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, cameras. You know, if the deer has done

711
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: the same thing every day for weeks, and I don't

712
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: have a problem of going in there at all, you know,

713
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: and being aggressive no matter what temperature, weather or anything.

714
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: How do you how do you sometimes you just get

715
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: deer that that I want to die I'd like to

716
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: find Yeah, me too. How do you how do you

717
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 1: go about using those cameras and checking those cameras without

718
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: putting too much pressure on those deer? I feel like

719
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: that's always really delicate balancing act. How do you how

720
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: do you do that? Yeah? I will, you know, we

721
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 1: will run cameras you know deep in some some bed areas,

722
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: but we don't ever check them, you know. Um, we

723
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: check them literally if we go in and hunt and

724
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: have perfect conditions, we'll pull a card and get out

725
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: of there, um and just see. But we run most

726
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: of our cameras on food, um, just to kind of

727
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: get an inventory where they're feeding. And uh, we try

728
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: to run them on off like if we have a

729
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: field or a you know, on a destination field, we'll

730
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: run them on you know, fence where the fence is

731
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: down or or um, you know, trails in and out

732
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: of that field. Um, where we can get in there

733
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: in the middle of the day and there's not deer

734
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: feeding in the field normally and pull those cards and

735
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: get out. And the best way to do that is

736
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: on some kind of equipment, whether it be a you know,

737
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: a Pilaris ranger or a tractor or a truck you know,

738
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: because the deer don't really associate those with with danger

739
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: for some reason. But if they see you on foot,

740
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: oh that's a different story. UM. So we try to

741
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: do everything far as pulling cards right out of the

742
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: truck or a tractor or something if possible, and ride

743
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: right up to the camera and the deer even if

744
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: they're bed at forty yards in there, I don't seem

745
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: to really pay it much attention, especially in the Midwest.

746
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, I've definitely definitely seen the same things, and

747
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: I think that that applies to access as well. Um,

748
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: would you agree, Like I know a lot of guys,

749
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: and I've found success with this recently too. Sometimes in

750
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: a situation like that greenfield example you shared earlier, where

751
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: if you hunted right in the edge, you'd blow all

752
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: the deer out. I've had some situations like that where

753
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: I was on a field edge had to be there,

754
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: so I'd have someone come pick me up in a

755
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: four wheel or something and blow the door off the

756
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 1: field rather than you on your feet doing that. Pent

757
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: I've sat in a tree for an hour after dark,

758
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: maybe longer, waiting on somebody to get there in a truck.

759
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: If I had a big deer I was hunting to

760
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: come in, you know. And so all right, that's you know,

761
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: always better because those ye will be right back out

762
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,959
Speaker 1: there the next night. Where if they watch you climb

763
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: down out of a tree, that's not to be the case. Yeah,

764
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't get away with that too many times. No, No,

765
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: all right, Well, we are gonna switch gears here in

766
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: a second, but before we do that, let's take a

767
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: quick minute here to thank our partners at white Tail Properties.

768
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: And here with our white Tail segment of the day

769
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: from white Tail Properties is Spencer new Hearth. This week

770
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: with white Tail Properties, we were joined by Andrew Schultz,

771
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: a land specialist out of Illinois. And Andrew is going

772
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: to be telling us about how shopping for land in

773
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: the winter is different than other times of year. You know,

774
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: there's lots of differences, but the main difference is the

775
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: foliage that's um out on these properties. So with the

776
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: lack of foliage, it's great for being able to walk

777
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: around that property, um see deer sign from the past season,

778
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: really get an idea for what trees are on the property, uh,

779
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: what types of species of plant life and animals are

780
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: using the property. And so that's gonna be the best

781
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: reason for looking at ground in the wintertime versus the

782
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: summer spring, when there's uh, leaves on all the trees,

783
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 1: it's hard to see, it's hot, there's mosquitoes, there's ticks.

784
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: Might not be quite as enjoyable of an experience Um,

785
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 1: if it's me, I'm picking the cold weather and I'm

786
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: learning everything I can about that property after most of

787
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: the hunting seasons are over and you can see a

788
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: lot of the property. Um, that's my favorite time to

789
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: walk a farm, to really and truly learn a lot

790
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: about it, and do so fairly easily. If you'd like

791
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: to learn more and to see the properties that Andrew

792
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: currently has listed for sale, visit white Tail properties dot com.

793
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: Backslash Schultz. That's s h U L t Z. So

794
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 1: what about this, LEVI Do you think that bow hunting

795
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: makes you a better tournament archer or that tournament archery

796
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: makes you more of a boat better bow hunter? So

797
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 1: which of those is more true? Which is a better

798
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: only a tournament archer? Tournament archer makes you a better

799
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: bow hunter? For sure? Was that? Well? Because when we're

800
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: out there shooting, we have to learn how to you know,

801
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: we shoot under pressure all the time. Um, and so

802
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: you learned what you do wrong under pressure, and you

803
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: learn how to shoot through the pressure. You can't ever

804
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: get rid of it, but you learn how to shoot

805
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: through it. And so I think with bow hunting you

806
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: don't feel that near as much. You know, you may

807
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: hunt you know, a month a month and a half

808
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: before you feel that buck fever kick in because that

809
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: that target buck is coming in and so you that's

810
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: the first time your heart's been pounding through your chest,

811
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 1: you know, all seasons where in tournaments we feel that

812
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: every week, and we feel that constantly, and we're shooting

813
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: that constantly, and you just can't get away from it.

814
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: So you learn how, you learn what you do wrong

815
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: in those situations, and you learn how to shoot really well,

816
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: um when your hearts beating out of your chest and

817
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: your pin shaking a little bit, you know. So I

818
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: think it has definitely helped me um bow hunting percent

819
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: you know, in those high pressure moments where you know

820
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: it's you know, this is it, this is maybe the

821
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: last day, and this is the biggest buck you've ever seen,

822
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: and to you get one shot, you know, and that's

823
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. And for people that don't ever

824
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: feel they don't know, you know, how they're going to

825
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: react in that situation, they don't know how they shoot

826
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: in that situation, and and so you know, it could

827
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: end up being a really really big deal. You know,

828
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: where a tournament archer feels that all the time, you know,

829
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 1: so definitely helped me be a better bow hunter. Yeah,

830
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. Can you can you

831
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: talk about what that process has been like for you,

832
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: you know, as you've gone through your tournament archery career

833
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: as far as the mental side of handling that pressure. Mean,

834
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: were you always just ice cold and it never bothered you?

835
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: Or did you have some challenges with this and you've

836
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: had to work through it And if so, how how

837
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 1: have you been able to handle them mental pressure of

838
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: of these moments? Right? Yeah? No, I think in the beginning,

839
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, um, I didn't have too much expectation, so

840
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: my nerves never really got to me. Um. I was

841
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: just trying to hang, you know, and so, um I

842
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: want a few tournaments literally, kind of like the saying

843
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: ignorance is bliss. I didn't even know how important they were,

844
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, in the beginning, because I was just having

845
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: fun and uh, I really had no expectations. But then

846
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: when you start winning a couple of tournaments, the most

847
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: pressure I I experienced, really and it was kind of

848
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: in the middle of my career up to this point.

849
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: Um I started winning, and then people started expecting me

850
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: to win, and then I started expecting to win, and

851
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: expectation creates so much pressure. Um, when you go to

852
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: a tournament and you know everybody's watching every air you

853
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: shoot and you start thinking about it. Um, that was

854
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: tough for me to deal with. You know, I did it,

855
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: and I fought through it. Man had some challenges mentally, UM,

856
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: just holding it together a few times because of that,

857
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: you know cloud that kind of follows you around when

858
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: you win. UM. And so I think now you get

859
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: to a point where you feel like you don't have

860
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: anything to prove really, and so I kind of broke

861
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: through that, and I feel like I've won enough that

862
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I can have a bad day

863
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: and and nobody thinks my career is over, you know.

864
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: And so for a while it was like you hadn't

865
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: one enough to really prove yourself. So don't let people think.

866
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: It's a flute kind of mentality, you know. And so

867
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: now I feel like I don't have that. But you know,

868
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: there's always a cloud of expectation, and I make myself

869
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: way more nervous now than anybody else could, just because

870
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: I demand perfection out of myself at tournaments and you

871
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: just can't be perfect when it comes to shooting a bow,

872
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 1: and so I'm constantly pressure myself to be better and better.

873
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: But I think that's what drives all of us, you know,

874
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: and tournament archery or in any competition. If you get satisfied,

875
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: you start going backwards real quick, because there's some nineteen

876
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: year old kid that wants it as bad as I

877
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: did when I was when I was at age right now.

878
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, so is there anything that you that you

879
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: figured out during that time period that you learned or

880
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: someone told you, hey, think about this, or was there

881
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: a a practice or anything that helped you develop that

882
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: mental toughness or the ability to handle those moments. I mean,

883
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: for for people listening, I'm curious, you know, how can

884
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: we become better from this mental aspect? Right? Yeah, The

885
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: main thing that I had to learn was, you know,

886
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: and it goes for bow hunting or tournaments. As you

887
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: focus on the process, don't focus on the end result,

888
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: don't focus on what it means. You know to this

889
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: erro means don't focus on you know how big this

890
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: buck is and and don't choke and and you know

891
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: how important to terminate you just focus on the process.

892
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: So you need a system, um and so what I

893
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: always said was, no matter what's your goal is, you know,

894
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: you can't just keep looking at that goal and that,

895
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,479
Speaker 1: you know, putting your pressure on yourself to to reach

896
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 1: that goal. You have to look at all the steps

897
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: it's going to take to get there, and then break

898
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: that down into little baby steps and you accomplish one

899
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: small goal and then move on to the next step, okay,

900
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: and the next step and the next step. And if

901
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: you focus on the process, it takes so much pressure

902
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: off of you. Um in the longer run, and when

903
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: the smoke settles, you'll wake up and and you've reached

904
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: your goal, you know. And so a lot of times

905
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: and sometimes not, but that's just the nature of competition,

906
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 1: and that's going to be the nature of bow hunting.

907
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: It doesn't always work perfectly, but if you focus on

908
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: the process, it takes a ton of pressure off of

909
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: you to perform. And and so you're more focused on

910
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: doing that one little task right then how important this

911
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: overall picture is. And so when that big bucks coming in,

912
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: if all you're thinking about is don't screw this up,

913
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: and you're naturally going to screw it up. So you

914
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: have to take a system of steps you know whether

915
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: that's all right. Let's okay, get my grip right, you

916
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: know I was pulled back, and make sure my bubble's

917
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: level and put the pen here and be aggressive and

918
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: pull you know, fluent. Just have a system of steps

919
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: in your head um that takes your mind away from

920
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: those negative thoughts. And that's kind of been the big

921
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: thing for me mentally, its is to focus on the

922
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,919
Speaker 1: process instead of you know how important that's WoT is? Yeah,

923
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: well and maybe maybe you just told us this, but

924
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: could you walk us through your exact shot process when

925
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: it comes to in the field there's a deer coming in,

926
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: what exactly are you is going through your mind and

927
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: what exactly are you doing all the way from that

928
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: beginning to the end. Right, So you know my mind

929
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: is when a deer is coming in, it's you know,

930
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: it's kind of situational. But like I'll just take this

931
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,919
Speaker 1: last you know, deer I shot down in akin soft

932
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: for example. Okay, so it's late and we got one

933
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: night left in the season and literally five minutes a

934
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: light leve. So when I see a deer coming and

935
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: literally the first thing in my hand is my range finders,

936
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: and so to keep my mind hand off of anything.

937
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm constantly clicking stuff in front of this deer and

938
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: and keeping my mind on how far he is, how

939
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: far he is, how far he is, and literally that.

940
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: But you can do that. That takes your mind off

941
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: of everything else if you're focused on how far that

942
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: deer is. And that's been a big thing for me,

943
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 1: is just keeping my mind focused on every step he takes,

944
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: trying to click him again and click him again, and

945
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: so or and if he's walking down a trail, I'll

946
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: go in front of him. When it's almost time for

947
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: the shot, I'll follow that down, click something close to

948
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: where he's gonna be, and then I'm constantly focused on

949
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: how far he is. So if he's a yard on

950
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: the other side, two yards on the other side of

951
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: that tree, that's all I'm thinking about. And then when

952
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: I come to full draw. This goes for tournament or hunting,

953
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,720
Speaker 1: all I focus on is aiming, and I tell myself

954
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: that I just aim, just aim, just aiming, And so

955
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: in practice you have to really do some drills to

956
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: focus on just aiming and the release. Honestly, you'll just

957
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 1: are if you shoot enough, you should never be thinking

958
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: about firing that release or firing the boat, you should

959
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: literally focus on aiming. And that's just a subconscious movement

960
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: because you know, coaches and Olympic coaches and all these

961
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: smart people will tell you that you can only consciously

962
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: think about one thing at a time. You can't consciously

963
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: think about more than one thing, but you're subconscious. Is

964
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: pretty amazing how many things you can do subconsciously. So

965
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 1: when I'm shooting the boat, all I am thinking about

966
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: is aiming, and everything else just kind of happens. And

967
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: that's what you've got to get to UM to be,

968
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 1: you know, kind of reach your full potential as an

969
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: archer or anything for that matter. When you come to

970
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: full draw, you should never think about anything except keeping

971
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: that pin on on target m I UM. I recently

972
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: this past year kind of came to terms of the

973
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: fact that I have had some tendencies and I never

974
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: used to label it this way, but I've kind of

975
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: came to the realization that it probably is some form

976
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: of target panic UM. So this summer I started trying

977
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: to change the way I shot my boat so that

978
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: I was using more of a back tension type pull

979
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: through UM process versus just you know, punching with an

980
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 1: index finger. Um, so that's something I'm kind of still

981
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: learning and trying to figure out and get better at.

982
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: Can you walk us through how someone can deal with

983
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: that issue, deal with that target panic or that trigger punching,

984
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: and and what the proper way is to to really

985
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: do what you just said there, you know, focus on

986
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: just aiming and having the boat go off almost without

987
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: even thinking about it. How do you actually go from Okay, yeah, yeah,

988
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: this is what I should be doing. How does someone

989
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: actually go through the process of developing that habit and system? Right, So,

990
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 1: there's really mainly two drills and I was actually doing

991
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: one of them here that before you called. But um,

992
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: the two main drills that would focus on, no matter

993
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: if you have target panic or not, is blank biling

994
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: and then just an aiming drill. So but I feel

995
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: like the best drill anybody's ever could do has target

996
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: panic because, um, what I was doing earlier and I

997
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: don't have target panic, but I literally it helps you

998
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 1: no matter where you're at an archery, you know, bow hunting.

999
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: So what I do is I was at twenty yards

1000
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: and I pulled back and I would literally just I'd

1001
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: put my thumb on the trigger because I shoot a

1002
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: thumb button and I'll blame my thumb on is bigger,

1003
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: and just aim and try to hold that pen so

1004
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: still in the middle until my shot started to break

1005
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: down and shake, and then I would let up and

1006
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 1: so I would take a breath, take a few minutes,

1007
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: pull back to do it again, and just doing that

1008
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: over and over without firing the arrow. So what you're

1009
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: doing is telling yourself, hey, I'm in complete control here.

1010
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: I don't have to fire this shot as soon as

1011
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 1: my pen gets to the middle. UM. So you're easing

1012
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 1: that your mind and that anxiety of firing that shot

1013
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: as soon as the pin touches what you wanted to

1014
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: hit um, which is target panic, you know. So it

1015
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 1: just it really does is relax you. And why you're

1016
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: doing that. You're building your stamina and how long you

1017
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: can name in the middle. And so the longer the

1018
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: more you do that, you start being able to aim

1019
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: there longer before your shot breaks down. And so that

1020
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: is probably the best drill in archery is to never

1021
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: fire an arrow and just do that over and over.

1022
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: And if you have target panels, I would say to

1023
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: anybody that has started paining, do that in the off

1024
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: season for two or three weeks and never fire shot,

1025
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: lay your finger on the trigger and aim where you

1026
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: want to hit, and lay down when your stote starts

1027
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: to break down, and just keep doing it over and

1028
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: over every day however long you would practice. And then

1029
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna be pretty amazed when you go back out

1030
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: there to shoot, how relaxed you are you pull back

1031
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: and aim and you're gonna be able to lay your

1032
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: thing on the trigger to make a good clean shot. UM.

1033
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: And so the other drill I would pair with that

1034
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: is called blank belling, and most people probably heard of that,

1035
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: but it's where you walk up to a target, you know,

1036
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: two or three yards, pull back, put the pin on

1037
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: it where you can't miss, close your eyes, and then

1038
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: just picture your dot being or your pen being in

1039
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: the middle, and slowly apply pressure to your release t fire.

1040
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: It's just good fluent pressure, not super super slow, but

1041
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: just steady pressure each shot over and over to so

1042
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: you feel with that perfect release, that surprise release feels

1043
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: like UM. And then if you pair those two drills together, UM,

1044
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: when you combine them and go out to shoot, you're

1045
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: going to be amazed at how much more comfortable and

1046
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: how much more fluent, and your timing and everything is

1047
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: gonna be so much better with your shot. So those

1048
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: are two of the best drills that you can do

1049
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 1: as an archer. Yeah, it's funny mentioned those. I think

1050
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: the guys that have been helping me deal with my

1051
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: issues must be listening to a lot of what you say,

1052
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: because those are exactly the things that I've been I've

1053
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: been working on myself. Um, that's good. Yeah, that's good.

1054
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: Your message is getting out there and it's it makes

1055
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. Um, is there any are there

1056
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: any other things when it comes to how we practice?

1057
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: Are there any other things you would recommend or other

1058
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: drills or other um things that you think about or

1059
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: do while practicing. You know a lot of guys I

1060
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: think you know, go out late summer start flinging a

1061
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: few arrows at twenty yards and they kind of call

1062
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: it good And obviously that's not ideal. Um. Can you

1063
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: can you walk us through some better practice habits? Yeah?

1064
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: I think you need to set goals in practice, just

1065
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: like anything else. I mean, I think if you go

1066
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: out and shoot at the same four or five inches

1067
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: circle every day or dot every day, then you're never

1068
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: gonna get any better, you know. I mean you can say, yeah,

1069
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: I'm both sided in time to go hunting, you know,

1070
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: and and that may be true, but if you really

1071
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: want to be the best you can be, you need

1072
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: to set goals and practice as well. And one thing

1073
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: that you know you can do is either move back.

1074
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: Is what you know? I think is the is the

1075
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: best way is to practice shooting at distances way further

1076
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 1: than you're going to be shooting hunting, because that shows

1077
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: all your mistakes, everything is magnified. You know, we practiced

1078
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: a ton and a hundred yards because if you make

1079
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 1: the tiniest mistake at a hundred, you missed by a foot.

1080
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: And so whenever I shoot a lot of a hundred

1081
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: yards um and get where I'm shooting really good at

1082
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: a hundred and I move back up to forty, it's

1083
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: like you feel like you can't miss, you know, you

1084
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: feel like this is the easiest shot of all time.

1085
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: And so what I like to tell people that, okay,

1086
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: what's your max distance hunting? Like, well, I won't shoot

1087
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: a deer over thirty yards and I want shoot a

1088
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: deer over forty yards um. I said, Okay, Well, then

1089
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 1: why don't you practice at sixty or seventy yards. There's

1090
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: nothing unethical about shooting in a bag target at sixty yards,

1091
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: you know, So just keep shooting and shooting until you

1092
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: you're starting to get some decent groups of sixty yards

1093
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: and so then you move back to forty and and

1094
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: that used to be your max distance. And so most

1095
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: people will only practice up to where their max distances.

1096
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 1: They're going to shoot an animal. But if you do that,

1097
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: it's always gonna be a hard scot. It's always gonna

1098
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: seem hard because it's your max distance. So if you practice,

1099
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: will you know, double your max distance and get pretty good.

1100
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: Then you go in the woods and the buck walks

1101
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: out at forty You're gonna be like, I can't screw

1102
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: this up. You know, this is this is a piece

1103
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: of cake, you know. So it really changes your mental

1104
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: game as well as makes you fine tune your mistakes

1105
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: and tighten your groups up. So i'd say, practice um

1106
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 1: further than what you're comfortable, make yourself a little uncomfortable

1107
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: in practice, and and it'll help you in the long run. Yeah, yeah, good,

1108
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: definitely good ideas. Now what about the actual shot um

1109
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: or sorry, actual form? This is another thing. A lot

1110
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: of people maybe develop bad habits as far as how

1111
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: they hold their bow or how they anchor different things

1112
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: on those lines. And I've seen a number of videos

1113
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: you've done and some different things you've put out there

1114
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 1: about you know, specifically how you're approaching some of these

1115
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: different things. Can you walk us through a little bit

1116
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 1: about proper archery form, what we need to be thinking

1117
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:46,240
Speaker 1: about all the different pieces of that. Yeah, Honestly, form

1118
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: is it's pretty tough because there's really no right or

1119
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: wrong forms in archery. Um, there's there's ways to shoot

1120
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: a bow easier. But what I have experienced and learned

1121
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: over the years is that if you can do the

1122
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: same thing over and over and over again, then it's

1123
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: right and is when it comes to form, if you

1124
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: can repeat it over and over and over, then it's right.

1125
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: You know, I get beat by guys that have horrible form.

1126
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 1: If you were to say, draw up the most perfect

1127
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: archery form and you draw that out, they don't look

1128
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: anything like that, And then they, you know, are some

1129
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: of the best archers in the world. So they are

1130
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: the best because they can repeat that form over and

1131
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: over and over. So I would tell you to find

1132
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: what's comfortable and if you're just starting, yeah, let's get

1133
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: somebody that it knows what proper form is and that

1134
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,959
Speaker 1: and if I had to say what is perfect form,

1135
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: it's it's straight line. If you drew, you want to

1136
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: work with straight lines, So shoulder with apart, your feet,

1137
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: shoulder with apart, draw a straight line up. Your body

1138
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: should run straight through your head. No leaning, no you know,

1139
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,959
Speaker 1: tilting or anything like that. And then your bow arms

1140
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: shouldn't be bent at all. It shouldn't be um or

1141
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: shouldn't be bent, and it shouldn't be hyper extent, extended

1142
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: some some kind of middle ground there um um, and

1143
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: just a real relaxed straight arm, that's what we'd like

1144
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: to call it. But then your release hand, you want

1145
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: to draw a line down the air shaft at full

1146
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: draw hits your release through your hand and out your

1147
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: elbow and be on the black same plane. Looks like

1148
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: one line from the side. Um, not your elbow down,

1149
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: not your elbow up in the air. You know all

1150
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: that um, and that would be considered perfect form. Relaxed grip.

1151
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: There's so many things that kind of go into form.

1152
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: But if you can find a system, form, anchor any

1153
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: of that, that you can do the same every single

1154
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: shot from one shot to the next and the next,

1155
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: then it's right. And I don't tell anybody your form drawn.

1156
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: If they're struggling with their shot, maybe try to find

1157
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: something that's easier for them to repeat. But um, yeah,

1158
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: that's the main thing. Archie is all about. Repetition's being

1159
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: able to repeat the little things over and over. So

1160
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: I feel like there's really no no answer, no right

1161
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: or wrong answer to that. That said, though, are there

1162
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: any any form mistakes of any sort that that do

1163
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: consistently pop up that like mess up shots? I mean

1164
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: one thing, like an obvious thing that people talk about

1165
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: a lot, is you know, uh over gripping your bow

1166
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: and talking shots a lot? Is there anything else like that?

1167
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: Any other little things that stand out? Yea, I just

1168
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: don't want to Yeah, if you grip your Yeah, my

1169
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: buddy dropped his bow on the floor anyway, that suck

1170
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: you don't You don't want to drop your bow? That

1171
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: can cause inconsistencies. No, Yeah, grip is obviously, um you know,

1172
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: if you do it the same every time, great, But

1173
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: you want to hute relaxed grip. And so what I

1174
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: like to do is tell people with the grip is

1175
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, fellm up in the air like you're giving

1176
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: a thumbs up, turn your thumb to two o'clock straight back,

1177
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,439
Speaker 1: and you put it right on the grip of the bow.

1178
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the most repeatable grip that I've found, UM.

1179
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: But the biggest thing I see it with form flaws

1180
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: is draw links. People have too long a draws and

1181
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: it creates bad habits. And I see that more than

1182
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: anything trying to get speed out of a bow, UM

1183
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: and their drawings is way too long, and so that

1184
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: creates target then because you're uncomfortable, tons of tons of issues.

1185
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: So if I was to say one thing that's the

1186
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: most important is having somebody fit you with the perfect drawings.

1187
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: And to be honest, that's gonna fix almost all your

1188
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: form flaws if you're both fits you perfect because you

1189
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: have to be in a straight line if you anchor

1190
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: the right way, and your drawings fits you. So that's

1191
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: the most important thing I can think of, UM when

1192
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: it comes to form, is having a bow that fits

1193
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:45,439
Speaker 1: you absolutely perfect. Yeah. I went through that this year

1194
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: as well, trying to refigure out if my draw length

1195
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: was if I was having the exact same problem. I

1196
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 1: did some works trying to adjust the draw length to

1197
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: try to get that better fit, and I think that

1198
01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: definitely does help. So speaking of draw length and things

1199
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: on those lines, let's talk about gear a little bit. Um,

1200
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: how about let's just start with the biggest piece of

1201
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: the picture here, which is your bow. What are some

1202
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: things that people should be looking at or paying attention

1203
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,479
Speaker 1: to when it comes to buying a new bow, because

1204
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: I think a lot of stuff sometimes and in the

1205
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: marketing we see maybe pushes us in one direction or another,

1206
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: and we just hop on that because of the hype. Um,

1207
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what you know, the different specificities that

1208
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: might be. But what are the real things that matter

1209
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: when a guy or girl is going to pick a

1210
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: new bow? What should they be looking at? That is

1211
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: most important? You know, most of the bows anymore are

1212
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: so good that you know, the top end bows are.

1213
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, I don't know that people

1214
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:46,439
Speaker 1: are going to look at the same things I would

1215
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: a cat, because I work on them every day. But

1216
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: I'm looking at lamp pockets, UM and axles and cams,

1217
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: and because that's that's where you get movement out of

1218
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: both um, you know, and how those lamp pockets are built,

1219
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: and how those cams are based and build, and so

1220
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: I'll look in to design on a limp pocket. And

1221
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: and because I've struggled in the past years with with

1222
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: you know, that being where the movement was and you know,

1223
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: but honestly, I haven't had a bow that I have

1224
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: looked at in the last couple of years that I

1225
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,439
Speaker 1: see there's issues with with any of that stuff. People

1226
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: are figuring that out, manufacturers are figuring that out. So

1227
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: I think the most important thing for anybody going to

1228
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: buy a bow is feel. I think you need to

1229
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: shoot them and you need to feel what it's like

1230
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: and feel. Um, but the draw cycles like you know,

1231
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: how it anchors, how it hits into the back wall,

1232
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: because everybody likes a distance feel. You know, some people

1233
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: like high let off with a hard back wall. Some

1234
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: people like spiral cams and you know, low let off

1235
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: in a spongey wall. Um, it helps them aim better.

1236
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: So I think you've got to figure out, you know,

1237
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: shoot all the bows that that pro shop will let

1238
01:02:56,560 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: you shoot, and and pick one that feels the best

1239
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: to you. And and because honest to God, nowadays all

1240
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: the top end bow manufacturers are making really really solid

1241
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: products and and so, um, you gotta you gotta figure

1242
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: out what what you like the best and what feel

1243
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: you're looking for. How about actual accuracy with a bow

1244
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: or forgiveness, which some people will say is something that

1245
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: will allow you to be more accurate? Um, there's a

1246
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: number of different factors related to bow as that people

1247
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: typically say, if you get this is going to make

1248
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: this bow more forgiving. But if other people argue some

1249
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: of these, can you talk us through what a forgiving

1250
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: bow actually means? And if that's you know, what are

1251
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: the things we should be looking for, if that's the

1252
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: kind of thing we're looking to achieve with our bow? Right? Yeah?

1253
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: I mean if you shoot, if you've got a thirty

1254
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: one inch draw and your shoot, you know, a thirty

1255
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 1: inch bow with the five inch brace hide that eighty

1256
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: pounds and three feet a second is probably not a

1257
01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: real forgiving bow, you know, but you know you want,

1258
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: you know it, And brace heights is all relative, you know,

1259
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: brace sites is always the number. You know, that's what

1260
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,439
Speaker 1: you know. You can decide an axle back. So that's

1261
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: how forgiving the bow is. But to be honest, actual

1262
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: the axl has really nothing to do with forgiveness anymore.

1263
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: I think um brace heights is is still pretty relevant,

1264
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: but it's all do or, It's all based on your drawing.

1265
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: So forgiveness of a bow to me is being you know,

1266
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: you're take into consideration you have a perfectly tuned bow,

1267
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: and which is everything, and forgiveness is having a perfectly

1268
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: tuned boat. But then you start looking at the actual

1269
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: design of the bow. What makes it forgiving? Well, for me,

1270
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: I have a thirty and a half inch draw, so

1271
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: the brace height is how long that's that arrows on

1272
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: that stream from the time I release it to the

1273
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: time it leaves the string. So there's a gap there

1274
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: where that stream is driving that arrow after you've released

1275
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: the shot, before it actually leaves the string. So braceyde

1276
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: the longer your braceype is, the shorter that span is

1277
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: that the arrows are on the string after you releases.

1278
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: So you're this the less movement, the last time you

1279
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: have to move off target, the less time anything you

1280
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: know has to go wrong. So that's kind of in

1281
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: the idea behind That's why I brace the bigger brace

1282
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: sythe is more forgiving. But if you have a bow

1283
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: or inch draw in a five inch brace hyde. That's

1284
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: still way more forgiven than having a thirty one inch

1285
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: drawing an eight inch bray s type, you know. So

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01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: it's um, that's all braceype means is and that's why

1287
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: people say a longer brace hyde is more forgiven. But

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01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: you you know, it's all relative to drawing. So I

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01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: shoot a six inch braceyde and and love it, you know,

1290
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: with a thirty and a half inch draw It's just

1291
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: it's speed. There's so many things in archery that's that's

1292
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: a hard question to answer because speed also gets plays

1293
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: into that because that's how long and how fast that

1294
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 1: you know, releases to how big of a span you

1295
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: have before that arrow leaves a string. So if you're

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01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: shooting a real slow bow with a real short brace hide,

1297
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: it's going to be less forgiving than a fast bow

1298
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: with a long brace hide. So yeah, there's a whole

1299
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 1: lot of different things that you can give or take

1300
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: and pick your poison. Um. Now, what about this that

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01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: if you had to choose which one of these um

1302
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: qualities of a bow would you view as the very

1303
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: most important from a bow hunting aspect, Would you rather

1304
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:35,439
Speaker 1: have a fast bow, a forgiving bow, or quiet bow?

1305
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: Which of those would be the absolute most important. I

1306
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: realized you'd like them all. But if you had to

1307
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: pick just one forgiving, because we're not perfect and uh,

1308
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 1: you know speed, I mean dependent on household. But if

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01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: it was just an average bow speed speed wise, it

1310
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: would be either speed or or forgiveness because, um, you

1311
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: don't need quietness if your bow is fast enough. Yeah,

1312
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: fair enough, UF, you know, and so um, but forgive

1313
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 1: forgiveness is the most important to those three I think

1314
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: are accuracy. It is the most important of those three. Yeah,

1315
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,919
Speaker 1: so you mentioned a few minutes ago that the most

1316
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: important thing for forgiveness is a well tuned bow. Can

1317
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 1: you walk us through, Um, maybe a couple of things

1318
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 1: people can do to better tune their bows, or if

1319
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: there's a few tuning mistakes you see a lot? Um,

1320
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: can you give us a few thoughts on tuning? Yeah,

1321
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: I think there's I think you know, most people don't

1322
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: know how to tune their bows properly, and most people

1323
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 1: on TV don't know how to tune their bow properly.

1324
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 1: And they shouldn't shoot lighted knocks because I get so

1325
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: frustrated watching hunting shows in their arrows. You see this

1326
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: lighted knock. It looks like somebody's using a sparkler down

1327
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: through the woods that is going in circles. Because and

1328
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: that is how you create a very unforgiving set up,

1329
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: make it really hard on yourself, you know. I think

1330
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, proper tune bow, you start literally from the

1331
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: ground up, and I mean it would take hours to

1332
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: go through it, but just real quick, you know, like

1333
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: paper tuning would be a basic thing somebody should learn

1334
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: how to do. Um. You know YouTube video I've done

1335
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 1: on how to paper tune UM which gets your arrow

1336
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 1: coming out of that bow perfect, your arrow flight's perfect.

1337
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: You're shooting an arrow through a piece of paper and

1338
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 1: seeing if it's kicking at all coming out of that bow.

1339
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 1: And so we'd go to the extent of doing that

1340
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 1: with no veins on the arrow. So we're getting the

1341
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 1: actual reaction of that arrow with no guidance and getting

1342
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: one tiny arrow hole through paper. Then we put veins

1343
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: on it stabilize it down range, you know. And so

1344
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: we're creating a set up that through a machine would

1345
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: never miss. And so then all you have to worry

1346
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 1: about yourself. Um. So I think if you add into

1347
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: play human error and your bow shooting groups the size

1348
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: of a pipe play. You're pretty much doomed at that point.

1349
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 1: So but there is you could take any I could

1350
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: take any bow you know that's been built in the

1351
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: last five years and make it a really forgiving setup. Um,

1352
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 1: just by how you tune it, how you balance it. Um.

1353
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: So many things go into it, but you can literally

1354
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: build a very forgiving set up out of almost anything.

1355
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: So a big part of of achieving a lot of this,

1356
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 1: I think is that arrow set up too. I imagine, um,

1357
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 1: and this is this is something that I again, I

1358
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,679
Speaker 1: think I need to do a better job of myself.

1359
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: I I fell into the trap early on in getting

1360
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 1: an arrow, and it worked for me, and I just

1361
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: never messed with I was like, well that works or

1362
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,679
Speaker 1: seemed to work fine, and so I never really questioned

1363
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: or thought through, you know, why am I shooting this

1364
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,600
Speaker 1: spine or this length or this or that. Can you

1365
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: walk us through what we need to be thinking about

1366
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: to properly match up our arrow with our bow set

1367
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 1: up in our goals? Yeah? I mean, like I mean,

1368
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: the spines, you know, the most important, and a shoot

1369
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 1: gold tip and I shoot either a two fifty or

1370
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: three hundred spine for everything. I'm thirty one inches seventy

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01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 1: pounds almost all the time. So, um, what that is

1372
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: is you know how weak or stiff that arrow is.

1373
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: So and like Samantha is draw sixty pounds, she shoots

1374
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: a five hundred spine arrow, so you know, and I

1375
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: mean you can look on the spine charts of all

1376
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: the arrows that find out kind of where you need

1377
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 1: to be. But you know, the more I kind of

1378
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: give you an idea what effects that. So like you

1379
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: can take a four I can take a three hundred

1380
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 1: spinario and make it shoot like a four hundred spine

1381
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 1: arrow if I put you know, three grain point in

1382
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: front of it, because it weakens that that spine up.

1383
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 1: You know. So the heavier and arrow is on the

1384
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,759
Speaker 1: heavier point you put in it, the weaker the spine

1385
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: gets um. And the longer you cut it or the

1386
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 1: longer you leave it, the weaker it is. So if

1387
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: you want to stiffen an arrow up and so through paper,

1388
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 1: a week tear is a high hair. So if you're

1389
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 1: get in a high tear and you can't get it out,

1390
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: you probably have a weak arrow. So what you can

1391
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 1: need to do is cut some off of the arrow

1392
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 1: or put a lighter point in it, or last case

1393
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: or worst case scenario, get a stiffer spine um and

1394
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 1: vice versa. If you shoot through and your knock low

1395
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 1: a lot of times, that's a stiff arrow and you're

1396
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 1: gonna want to, you know, put more weight in front

1397
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 1: of it, you know, cut it longer, or get a

1398
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 1: weaker spine arrow, you know. And that was definitely affect tune. UM.

1399
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: If if I had to say, we've wanted with more forgiving,

1400
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 1: if you couldn't get it perfect, I would want a

1401
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: little bit of a weaker arrow than as too stiff

1402
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: um for your spine. Like if you're a little too weak,

1403
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 1: it's better than being having an arrow that's too stiff.

1404
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 1: But obviously you want to get it perfect. Now, what

1405
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: about diameter arrows. There's been a recent movement a lot

1406
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 1: of people are shooting those much smaller diameter um. Now,

1407
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on that? Wise that maybe a

1408
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 1: good thing to look cat or not. Yeah, it is.

1409
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 1: I like small diameter its like the you know pierce

1410
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 1: platinums and and just the tiny hunt arrows for penetration

1411
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 1: and they're tough and and all that. I went back

1412
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: to shooting um kind of a velocity which is a

1413
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: standard diameter. This past season, I just have a lot

1414
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 1: of confidence in that arrow. It's just a solid all

1415
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 1: around arrow. And I'm not a huge fan of outsuits. Um.

1416
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 1: You know, which is the sleeve that goes on the

1417
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 1: outside of the arrow, and then you gotta screw your

1418
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: arrow or your broad head into that, and just a

1419
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: lot of things, a lot of components that have to

1420
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: go to together, um, and it's hard to get them perfect.

1421
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 1: All the arrows the same. So I went back to

1422
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:41,839
Speaker 1: shooting like a two four six point two four six diameter,

1423
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 1: which is like the pro hunter velocity, just kind of

1424
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: your standard hunting arrow and running inserts because I like

1425
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: the less things that can go wrong the better. But

1426
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 1: I killed you know, several animals with those pierce platinums

1427
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,600
Speaker 1: last year, and they're a great arrow. I just, you know,

1428
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 1: figured less is more when it comes to that stuff.

1429
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 1: So I went to back to shooting the velocity year

1430
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 1: this year. Um. The Valkyrie is actually the one I

1431
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: hunted with and it was It's probably my favorite hunter

1432
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 1: I've ever heard with. It comes pre fledged four flashed

1433
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: with the low profiles like I was talking about before,

1434
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: So gotch alright. Before we move on to the next question,

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Speaker 1: maven built dot com. Speaking of speaking of less is

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Speaker 1: more than um, how about broadheads? Are you h a

1459
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: simple keep it simple with a fixed blade type broadhead

1460
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 1: or do you like mechanicals or what are your thoughts

1461
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:46,759
Speaker 1: on the right broadhead? Now, I'm a huge mechanical fan,

1462
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 1: and I wasn't for years. I grew up shooting, you know,

1463
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 1: the Muzzy's, and probably because they were the cheapest second

1464
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 1: finder the wasps at Walmart, you know, because me Dad

1465
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 1: going there and by a pack of six and replacement blades,

1466
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 1: and we were good to go, you know. But through

1467
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: the years of pulling our hair out trying to get

1468
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: those tune and shoot the same, you know, I would

1469
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:08,599
Speaker 1: literally have to write on my veins. I remember being

1470
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 1: a little and right on my veins, you know, six

1471
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 1: inches left or you know, three inches low, and I

1472
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 1: would literally right where they hid at a certain distance

1473
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: so I would look at better. And so oh, I

1474
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,599
Speaker 1: got to aim at the right because those broadheads are

1475
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 1: playing so bad. So when I was introduced to Swacker,

1476
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: probably about nine years ago. I literally fell in love

1477
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: with those mechanicals UM, And the main thing is they're

1478
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 1: the only ones that when they go into the cavity

1479
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: of a deer, they open up after they go through

1480
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 1: the first rib cage, so you're cutting vitals with brand

1481
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 1: new blades. And that was the biggest selling point for me,

1482
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: because I would literally shoot deer with a fixed blade

1483
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 1: or an open on contact UM mechanical, and I hit

1484
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 1: it in the lungs or hit it perfect, and one

1485
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 1: time it would bleed really good and run fifty yards

1486
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 1: and the next time it would run three with jars

1487
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 1: and I find mary and there was broke blades or

1488
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 1: you know whatever. So with most broadheads, you gotta cut

1489
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 1: through that first layer of fur and fat and then

1490
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 1: bone before you ever get to the vitals, and you're

1491
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 1: dulling your blades and you're breaking your blades off before

1492
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 1: you ever get to the good stuff. So when I

1493
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 1: started shooting Swacker, that's what I loved so much about

1494
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: the design was that it went in and opened up

1495
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 1: right as it went through that first ribcage, So the

1496
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: first thing it cut was vitals with brand new razor

1497
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 1: sharp blades, And man, I've just been in love with

1498
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 1: him for nine years and so I have not shot

1499
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: another another thing since. So, Um, I'm total, total mechanical

1500
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: or really just a total swacker fanatic to be honest,

1501
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 1: because I love the design and you don't have any

1502
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 1: issues with family to open or anything like that that

1503
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: you here with a lot of mechanicals. That hasn't been

1504
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 1: an issue for HU. No, I've never had an issue.

1505
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,600
Speaker 1: And I mean I've shot everything for muscos to Buffalo

1506
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 1: moves elks, I mean everything with them and no issues

1507
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: at all. Just kill stuff super quick. That's what you want,

1508
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,719
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, I mean that's the goal. So moving

1509
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 1: moving down the line of gear. Then, Um, you talked

1510
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 1: to a few minutes a while ago actually about the

1511
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 1: fact that you use a thumb button release. Um, can

1512
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 1: you talk a little bit about different releases and what

1513
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 1: styles can help with different issues or different things. Are

1514
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: goals that we're trying to achieve? Yeah, for sure, I

1515
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: mean I I UM, I think we all probably grew

1516
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: up shooting you know, the risk trap release or the

1517
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 1: you know, the trigger releases we call it with the

1518
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 1: index finger. Um. And so then you've got your thumb

1519
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 1: button release, and then you've got what we call a

1520
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 1: back tension or a hinge, which requires you to rotate

1521
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,639
Speaker 1: or pull through with pressure to fire it. And so

1522
01:17:56,680 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 1: the goal with release execution is always to have of um,

1523
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 1: that surprise release. You don't anticipating when it's going off.

1524
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: You're not timing it, you're not forcing it to go off.

1525
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,640
Speaker 1: You're aiming and just applying a steady pressure to fire it.

1526
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 1: But sometimes with with like a thumb trigger or something

1527
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 1: with that hard wall, that's either it's cocked or it's

1528
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 1: fired and there's nothing in between. That's why hinge has

1529
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 1: been so good for people because it has that little

1530
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: bit of movement which is kind of a comfort thing.

1531
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: They can aim and just keep pulling until it fires. Um.

1532
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 1: We kind of look at it like, okay, if you're standing,

1533
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:34,679
Speaker 1: you know, on top of a you know, a shed

1534
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: or a building, and you know twelve foot to the ground,

1535
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 1: you either got to jump or you stay. There's no

1536
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 1: in between. There's no easy way to get down there.

1537
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: You've got to jump off the leg, you know. So

1538
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 1: with a hinge, it's kind of like putting a slide

1539
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 1: there from the top to the bottom. It's easy. You

1540
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 1: just get on and you just slide down in the

1541
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: gradual motion and you know you're there. And so that's

1542
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,600
Speaker 1: kind of why a lot of people will train with

1543
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 1: a hand And I do the same thing. When I

1544
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 1: start feeling like I'm timing that thumb button, I'll go

1545
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 1: back to my hand and I'll just start pulling and

1546
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 1: concentrating on aim and then I can go back to

1547
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:13,679
Speaker 1: my button and shoot it really well. But I think

1548
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 1: you need some kind of training device that's constantly, you know,

1549
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: reminding you what that's supposed to feel like that surprise

1550
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 1: release of just steady pressure until it fires. So, do

1551
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 1: you have a specific model that you would recommend as

1552
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 1: far as a hinge and then an actual in the

1553
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 1: field release, especially for someone like you know, selfishly, someone

1554
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 1: like me who's trying to build this better habit of

1555
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 1: achieving that surprise release. Um, is there a specific one

1556
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:43,679
Speaker 1: or two you'd recommend. Yeah, honestly, the the new True

1557
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: fire Seer that just came out last year, it's s

1558
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 1: e A. The True fire Seer is a hand release

1559
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 1: and it allows you to to set it's the most

1560
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,639
Speaker 1: customizable hand release in the world, and so you can

1561
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 1: set different link clicks. You can really customize it to

1562
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: what you like, and or you can say no click

1563
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:03,720
Speaker 1: at all and a click and a hinge is so

1564
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 1: you don't pre fire it, so you pull and then

1565
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 1: when you hear that click, you know, okay, let's he's up.

1566
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 1: It's getting ready to fire, you know, if you're drawing

1567
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 1: back or something. So I think the truth our seer

1568
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: is the best one if I shooting tournaments and I

1569
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 1: hunt with the seers um. And then the new one

1570
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 1: that I helped design. The thumb button I'm shooting is

1571
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: actually a prototype. It will be out. The spring is

1572
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 1: called the snaps um and it is an unbelievable thumb button.

1573
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 1: And thumb buttons are really sketchy anymore like you get

1574
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 1: And it's all to do with the inside of them

1575
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 1: and how they're built as far as pre firing on you,

1576
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 1: um and um. After you know, a hundred shots, he'll

1577
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 1: start every once in a while, you just be pulling

1578
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: back and they'll fire one down range. And that's why

1579
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 1: I quit shooting them in tournaments, you know, several years ago.

1580
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 1: So we really went through a lot of testing on

1581
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 1: you know, strength of steel and different parts and why

1582
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 1: that was half in and built this new synapse trooth.

1583
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 1: I hasn't. Man, I've shot thousands of shots through it

1584
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 1: and it's just incredible. So I think it's gonna be

1585
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:10,719
Speaker 1: something that's going to hit the market and be pretty

1586
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: hot here in the next couple of months. Awesome. So

1587
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 1: we would you say then that for someone that's that's

1588
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 1: getting pretty serious about archery and or bow hunting, that

1589
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 1: it really is worth upgrading to some kind of either

1590
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 1: thumb button or hinge or something on those lines and

1591
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:34,600
Speaker 1: getting away from the wrist strap, you know, not necessarily,

1592
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 1: I think, you know, again, a lot of the top

1593
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 1: guys are still shooting wrist chafts. But I think you

1594
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 1: need to have a release that you go to that's different.

1595
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 1: And I think it's either a different uh you know

1596
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 1: setting where it's harder or lighter than the morning you

1597
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 1: shoot most of the time, so you get a different

1598
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 1: field because what you do is you start timing that release,

1599
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,799
Speaker 1: if you start getting a little sloppy with that release

1600
01:21:56,840 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 1: and anticipating when it's gonna fire, and that causes target hanging.

1601
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 1: So you want to have another release that you can

1602
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:06,639
Speaker 1: pull out and literally shoot for a week or two

1603
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 1: and then go back to your you know, your trusty release.

1604
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 1: You know, because then you kind of forgot the timing

1605
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 1: and you can just focus on aiming and all that.

1606
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 1: So it really doesn't matter, you know, if you're shooting

1607
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 1: a wrist trap with um button a hinge, whatever. But

1608
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 1: I think you need to have a couple of different

1609
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 1: releases that you can go back and forth with and uh,

1610
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 1: it kind of keeps you on and so to speak,

1611
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 1: keeps you focused on what you're supposed to be focusing on,

1612
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 1: and that's aiming. Yeah, that's that's good advice and a

1613
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 1: good idea to switch those things up. Keeps you from

1614
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 1: getting too used to it. Um. I like that. So

1615
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 1: is there anything that we have not touched on when

1616
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 1: it comes to archery? Is there do you have like

1617
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:47,640
Speaker 1: a pet peeve or like a thing that you just

1618
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 1: want everyone in the world to to know that you

1619
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 1: gotta work on this or don't make this mistake or

1620
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 1: learn this one lesson. Is there anything that is just

1621
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 1: so important that we haven't touched on yet that you

1622
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 1: want to make sure we we Uh, you know, I

1623
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:03,719
Speaker 1: think the most important thing is that we've talked about

1624
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:07,600
Speaker 1: is making yourself uncomfortable you know, in practice and and

1625
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 1: pushing the limits in practice. UM, and it makes those

1626
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: tough shots in the fields seem easy. And that's the

1627
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:16,600
Speaker 1: most important thing I think I've learned in archery is

1628
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 1: is practicing making it really tough on myself and not

1629
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 1: practicing to to stroke my ego, you know, and to

1630
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 1: tell myself how good I am. Really practiced to push

1631
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 1: push the limits, and I think that's the biggest thing

1632
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 1: anybody can do, and it makes you better in the process.

1633
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:36,639
Speaker 1: So I think that's the biggest key really probably in life,

1634
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, and not just archery, is to push yourself

1635
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 1: and and make yourself uncomfortable and and uh and it

1636
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,760
Speaker 1: makes you better, um, whenever you're faced with a tough

1637
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:52,720
Speaker 1: situation and or you know what you've worked for all year. Yeah,

1638
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 1: that's very very wise words there, and I think that's

1639
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: probably a good way to end this one out. So

1640
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: for people that want to see what you're doing, whether

1641
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 1: it be online or on TV, can you can you

1642
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 1: point us in the right direction to see everything that's

1643
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:11,640
Speaker 1: going on with you and bowlife. Yeah. On on Instagram

1644
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:17,800
Speaker 1: it's um Bowlife Levi. UM on the web side is

1645
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 1: um bowlife dot com and you can pretty much see

1646
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 1: everything there and then on as far as a show

1647
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 1: we are on the Sportsmens channel. UM Wednesday nights at

1648
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:29,679
Speaker 1: seven thirty is our best slot UM or the best

1649
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 1: time there. We are three or four times a week,

1650
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 1: depending on the week. And so that's a Bowlfe TV

1651
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 1: on the Sportsmen's Channel, And that's pretty much you know.

1652
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 1: On Facebook, it's just Bowlife TV. So that's pretty much

1653
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 1: everything that we've gotten you on YouTube, same things that

1654
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 1: we're kind of all over the place, and you search

1655
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 1: Bowlife you'll find us awesome. Well, I'll make sure to

1656
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 1: include some links to those things. And I'd like those,

1657
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 1: uh those YouTube videos you've been putting up this year

1658
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:57,599
Speaker 1: covering the different both set up tips and things like that.

1659
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 1: You did a nice job with that. So if if

1660
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 1: anyone listening wants to learn more about a few of

1661
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:04,719
Speaker 1: these things we've talked about, definitely check out those YouTube videos.

1662
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 1: Leave I does a nice job of going into more

1663
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 1: detail and demonstrating a few of these ideas. So, man,

1664
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:12,680
Speaker 1: I can't I can't tell you how much I appreciate

1665
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 1: your your time today. Thank you, Yeah, no, thank you, Mark.

1666
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate being on here and I look forward to

1667
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 1: doing it again. Absolutely, good luck this season. Thank you

1668
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 1: and that's wrap, folks. But I want to take a

1669
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:30,599
Speaker 1: quick second here to just reiterate something that I say

1670
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 1: on every episode at this point in the show. But UM,

1671
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 1: I say it kind of quickly and I say at

1672
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 1: the very end, and I don't know how many people

1673
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 1: actually hear it and and really process it. And it's

1674
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: the fact that I appreciate you, UM, I really sincerely,

1675
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 1: uh from the from the bottom of my heart, as

1676
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 1: cheesy as that sounds, I appreciate you, every one of

1677
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 1: you who takes the time who gives me, uh the

1678
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 1: privilege of your attention and time to listen to what

1679
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 1: I have to say, to listen what I guests have

1680
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 1: to say. Uh. It means the world. Means the world

1681
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 1: to me. Uh, And I just I couldn't do what

1682
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm doing now without you. It means a lot. And

1683
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 1: I just want you to know that, UM, that I'm

1684
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 1: mindful of that, and I want to continue to do

1685
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 1: the very best job possible to serve you all, to

1686
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 1: give you the information you need to entertain at times

1687
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 1: to maybe help you, um, maybe live vicariously. There's some

1688
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 1: things that I might be doing or to to laugh

1689
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: at the stupid things I'm doing UM, I want to

1690
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 1: be able to make sure at the Wired Hunt podcast

1691
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 1: and everything I'm doing here's something that really brings value

1692
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 1: and uh an entertainment and information your way. Hopefully that's

1693
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 1: what we've been doing. I get some exciting things coming

1694
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 1: down the road here that hopefully are going to allow

1695
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: us to do that to an even better and uh

1696
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 1: and higher degree. I'm excited for all that. I'm excited

1697
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:54,640
Speaker 1: to share all sorts of new exciting things for two

1698
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen with you. And UM, I'm rambling as I

1699
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 1: often do, but the point being is that you guys

1700
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 1: the best, So thank you for all that. Speaking of

1701
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 1: the best, I do of course want to thank our

1702
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 1: partners who also are a big part of the reason

1703
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 1: why I'm able to do this. So I want to

1704
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 1: thank those people, those companies. So thanks to sit to Gear,

1705
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 1: Yetie Cooler's, Matthews Archery, Maven Optics, the White Tail Institute

1706
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 1: of North America, Trophy Ridge and Hunt Terror Maps. And

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01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:26,600
Speaker 1: with all of that said, UM, and I wonder if

1708
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 1: any of you guys are still doing that drinking game

1709
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 1: when I say all that said, if so, UM, it's

1710
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:32,679
Speaker 1: been a little light today, but there you go. There's

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Speaker 1: a couple here at the end. So with all that said,

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01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 1: thanks again for your support and until next time, stay

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Speaker 1: wired to Hunt.