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Speaker 1: It has a lot to do with social and cultural practices.

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Speaker 1: the show coming. In this new year, the US is

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Speaker 1: no longer at replacement level. We are losing more people

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Speaker 1: one children each. Now that number is plummeted to one

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Speaker 1: of the factors with doctor Drew Pinsky in a moment.

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Speaker 1: Here's a little cultural pro and con that I've observed.

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Speaker 1: On the positive side, I do see movements of young

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Speaker 1: Marty Supreme Over the Break, which is going to win

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Speaker 1: little ping pong wonder kind. The movie's really well done,

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Speaker 1: people are picking up on that message too. Take Clovicular,

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Speaker 2: So right now, I am infertile, but I'm not able

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Speaker 2: So there's just like a negative feedback loop when you're

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Speaker 1: Tell me what's happening to the birth rates we're seeing

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Speaker 1: How do we break that? I mean, you see the

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Speaker 1: porn thing. Yeah, this is a This is a sleeping

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Speaker 3: Correct, because their most intimate moments were with themselves and

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Speaker 3: was in the group and destroyed her, told her she'd

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00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 3: never work and the.

438
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: Never be an actress.

439
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 3: And so I'm like, maybe a judgment wasn't his key Sella's.

440
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: I think I made the right choice. I think Terry

441
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: made the right show.

442
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 3: Yes, I think to Stella's perceptions may have been a

443
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 3: little off that did.

444
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 1: But bringing it full circle, you do kind of bring

445
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 1: an actor's drama to what you do.

446
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 3: I like, I really what I was left with after

447
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,239
Speaker 3: all of that, I still sing it, you know. I

448
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 3: sing for the Dodgers and the and the King's I'll

449
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 3: do this national anthem stuff like that. So I still

450
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 3: have fun with the voice. Yeah, but I really love

451
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 3: public speaking. I love love love public speaking. I don't

452
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 3: know why I love it so much. I love I

453
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: love informing and moving an audience.

454
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: I love doing that. And radio was that every night,

455
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: and so I naturally stayed with that, and then TV.

456
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: Then you go to TV and TV. But TV was

457
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 1: just like what a TV show? How do you do that?

458
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 1: I don't know, It's like, tell me what to do?

459
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: Where do I show up?

460
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 3: The amazing thing to me is, unlike a lot of

461
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 3: these the doctors and I couldn't name, they kind of

462
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 3: gave up practicing and became TV shows.

463
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: You kept practicing. It never a period.

464
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 3: It never made sense to me when Loveline on MTV

465
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 3: came first of all, when they when the radio show

466
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 3: went five nights a week. I'm like, how am I

467
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 3: going to do that? Because I wasn't getting home till

468
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 3: ten at night. Oh, I was getting up at five

469
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 3: and coming home in ten.

470
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 1: That was my day.

471
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 3: Severe workaholism. But I managed to kind of learn how

472
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 3: to dealcate a little bit, take a nap in the afternoon. No, no,

473
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 3: just no sleep for years and years. Wow, but I could.

474
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,719
Speaker 3: I could downsize a little bit of them. I ended

475
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 3: up not doing all the medical services at the psychiatric

476
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 3: hospital and doing all the addiction services, so that gave

477
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,719
Speaker 3: me some flexibility there. And I was like, all I

478
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 3: have is Friday afternoon and Saturday afternoon.

479
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 1: That's it, and maybe Saturday it's maybe a ten.

480
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 3: We could if I could do my nursing home rounds

481
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,479
Speaker 3: in the morning, I could be there by ten and

482
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 3: you could have that day.

483
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: And they went fine.

484
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 3: And we would do that and we would do six

485
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 3: shows a week in those two days, or maybe eight sometimes,

486
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 3: and Adam and I didn't know any better.

487
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: We're like, okay, I would change a clothes, do another one,

488
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: change your clothes, do another one.

489
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Speaker 4: And I believe and it was we just just didn't

490
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 4: we do But I mean the training you had in addiction,

491
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 4: in general medicine, it did bring a heft and a gravitas.

492
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: Today, Yes, we need it.

493
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 3: At the time, yes, and and well, and we had

494
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 3: a philosophy we were suggesting, which now we have to

495
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 3: adjust it a little bit. At the time we said

496
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 3: it's the Gainsburger and the pill. Now you'd say maybe

497
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 3: turkey and pill, because no one knows what a gainsburg say,

498
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 3: which was, if you want to give a dog a pill,

499
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 3: you got to wrap it in something tasty. Adams was tasty.

500
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 3: I'm the pill, and so I just kept delivering the

501
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 3: information the best I could. Huh, And I really knew

502
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 3: I got what was happening. I could see it, I

503
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 3: thought to him, So how do we learn in medical school?

504
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: You learn from cases cases. Experiential learning is the best.

505
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 3: And so the caller would be the case. I would

506
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 3: explicate it, and the listener viewer would identify with the caller,

507
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 3: and I would be able to sort of drop in

508
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 3: on the heels of that with some information. T Mom

509
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 3: was the exact same thing, Yeah, I knew would be.

510
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: The same. Shows, Celebrity Rehab and.

511
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 3: Similar these all had similar kinds of which is I'm

512
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 3: using an entertaining vehicle to give you information you need?

513
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: And is that is that kind of the through line

514
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: to the Doctor Drew formula. It is one hundred percent

515
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: my formula. To put yourself in the middle of the culture,

516
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: using people that are important to it. Boy, that there's

517
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: a lot loaded into that statement.

518
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 3: To be willing to go places I don't belong, which

519
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 3: is what the willingness to do that with comedians or

520
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 3: with you know whatever. And to use the cultural zeite

521
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 3: guys to kind of reach people. Yes, to be the

522
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 3: so I can be the pill on the heels of that.

523
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: But it's I mean, by my count I may be wrong.

524
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: Eight reality shows you.

525
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,719
Speaker 3: Were I have never accounted you could. I think I

526
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: have this. I have a very strange history and that

527
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 3: I've been involved with several hits. That's extremely unusual, and

528
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 3: I didn't know it until I looked back at a

529
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 3: time when hits were important. That's it's a big dull.

530
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: I mean, millions of people meant to hit.

531
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. That's no longer the case.

532
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 3: We are ratings on Loveline every night on MTV. People

533
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 3: don't even know that existed. Was about the same as

534
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 3: what Kimmell gets down. So no, not even now. We've

535
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 3: probably beat them now, but the same as what Fox

536
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: gets now.

537
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: It's huge, not know, it's huge. It was huge. People

538
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: don't realize. Tens of millions of people were watched, you know,

539
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: broadcast television, cable television was getting in the MTV or

540
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: three million people.

541
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Speaker 3: Formerllion people were watching these shows. Yeah, and it was

542
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,719
Speaker 3: young people, which everybody was a major domage.

543
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: Everybody wanted to do. It was an incredible time.

544
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 3: It was a fun time, and I do believe we've

545
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 3: lost track of fun. Yeah, and I'm extremely worried about

546
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 3: young people right now. They seem to be suffering and

547
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: I want to help. I don't know how I can.

548
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: But well, you study anxiety, you study this. We see

549
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: the isolation.

550
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 3: Well again the meaning maker and the connection and the intimacy,

551
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 3: but also we need to emphasize the need to lean

552
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 3: into discomfort. Look when when Sigmund Freud got to this country.

553
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 3: There's a story that may or may not be apocryphal,

554
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 3: that the reporters got to him right on the docs

555
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 3: and it's after doctor Ford. What do you expect to

556
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: accomplish here in America? And he said, well, I hope

557
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 3: to one day understand the difference between true psychopathology and

558
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 3: ordinary misery, and we do not tolerate ordinary misery. Is good, right,

559
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 3: It's what creates strength and resiliency. And we have to

560
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 3: lean into discomfort, not put people in safe space. Is

561
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 3: that makes them sick, and so leaning, encouraging, supporting, you know,

562
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: explaining what intimacy is so they can give back to it.

563
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 3: Human This is where my optimism comes in. Human have

564
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: a huge natural inclination for reality and for connection, and

565
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 3: so it comes out, it comes through.

566
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: It's interesting to me that you gave advice for so long,

567
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: but looking at your example, you've been married to the

568
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: same woman for thirty plus years. Forty yeah, thirty, I've

569
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: been together forty wow, three beautiful children, triplets. Unfortunately, the

570
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: three beautiful children came at once.

571
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: Oh my god, when we have PTS. We have a

572
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 3: granddaughter now, and my wife just just started helling PTSD

573
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 3: symptoms being around the baby because it brings us back

574
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: to that time. But she was complaining about this a

575
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 3: couple of days ago. She goes, you know, what do

576
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 3: I tell people when they say we're the perfect relationship?

577
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 3: We have we have problems and everybody else and I

578
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: said yes, I said, but here's what I say, And

579
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 3: because people do want to know.

580
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, two things.

581
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 3: One, there was really something there at the beginning, like

582
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,959
Speaker 3: like if you really are excited to be around that

583
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 3: person and if it just just feels right. And by

584
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 3: the way I went, I encountered her twice and had

585
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: the same weird, intense reaction.

586
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: Did you meet?

587
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 3: First we met at a bar and she blew me off,

588
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 3: and then we met through radio she was she was yeah,

589
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: and I didn't know it was the same person, But

590
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: I had the same reaction where I had.

591
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: To talk to her.

592
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: Never ever had that before, and I was didn't realize

593
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: the same person until we've been dating like a year.

594
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 3: It was weird because I found a picture of that

595
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: night where she blew me off and devastated me. But

596
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 3: but as it pertains to what our advice is, I say,

597
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 3: two things, So make sure it's somebody you really really

598
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 3: really really really want to be around, and you're really

599
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 3: into that person and excited to be around them, because

600
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 3: there's a there's a fuel to that passion that can

601
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: can be there a long time. And then the other

602
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 3: part and my tongue is embedded in my cheek. But

603
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 3: I also mean it. Lots of mental health services. They

604
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 3: were My kids have all had them. We've had them.

605
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 3: I've had them. They're important and and and it's funny therapy.

606
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: I was in therapy for years, years and years and

607
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: it because that work. All this was so bad and

608
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 3: uh and I had PTSC. One of our kids needed

609
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 3: surgery at age one. It was a crazy, crazy time.

610
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: But Florence Henderson's husband was a therapist and he was

611
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: on Loveline years ago, and he said we were talking

612
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 3: about attraction and things that he goes, Oh, yeah, attraction

613
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 3: is just the sickest part of one person responding to

614
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 3: the sickest part of another person. I was like, yeah,

615
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 3: that's it. But we need that, we need that. He said, yes,

616
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 3: he goes, it can be extremely intense, passionate glue in

617
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 3: a relationship. But he said, he said this, said you,

618
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 3: I'll never forget this guy. He was a nice guy.

619
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: He said, you have to have process mental health services.

620
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 3: You have to have some sort of ongoing to keep

621
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: you through the the things happen, you know, and and

622
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 3: and and by the way, way, if you're inclued together

623
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 3: by some pathologies there you better pay attention to those.

624
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: How do you find the right therapists? Though, I know.

625
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing I will tell you. I'm a

626
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: therapist skeptic doctor for this reason. It never ends. I

627
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: went for a long time.

628
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: It did end, you know, and even a good show

629
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: or a game it ends, or a good TV show,

630
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: life ends. But this goes well, it can. It depends

631
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 3: what the these are.

632
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: Really. It's different things for different circumstances. But you should

633
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: go for a targeted reason.

634
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: You would say yes, yes, I mean I at first,

635
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 3: you know, I had kind of an abusive relationship with

636
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: my mother early and I had some trauma stuff I

637
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 3: had to deal with.

638
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: And back then.

639
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 3: This is now, the early nineties, they didn't have as

640
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 3: much good trauma therapy. It took a lot longer back then,

641
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: and I had great therapy and it worked.

642
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And.

643
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 3: My workolism settled a little bit and I became able

644
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 3: to delegate, which I could not do before that point.

645
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: Being I was able to get a referral from psychiatric peers.

646
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 3: I was around psychiatrist all the time. I got a

647
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: great referral, I got the treatment. Beyond that, I would

648
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: just say, make sure pay attention to the letters after

649
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: somebody's name. You want you know that you want MD, PhD,

650
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: SID at least to start, and then then you can

651
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 3: go down to a lower level if it's appropriate, right

652
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: and ask people where they were trained and how they

653
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: were trained. People who were really well trained one to

654
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: tell you about their training and their level of sophistication.

655
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: I remember we were on our honeymoon. We were with

656
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: a psychoanalyst psychiatry. He goes, no one ever asked me

657
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: about my training because I want to tell them, but

658
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 3: they never asked about And it should be somebody that

659
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: don't go to a therapist that people say is so great.

660
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 3: I felt so great afterwards. You should not feel great

661
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 3: after a psychotherap. You should feel challenged, you should feel stirred,

662
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 3: you should feel uncomfortable, and somebody goes, oh, she makes

663
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: me feel great.

664
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: The other way, Aha, how did you get all those

665
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: celebrities to come on that rehab show? On Celebrity Rehab?

666
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: I always said, how did you?

667
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 3: I didn't do it? They can producers. Yeah, they came

668
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 3: to me to do that show, and it's a long

669
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 3: story there.

670
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: But I was like, you can't know. I know originally

671
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: you said no, no, like no, no, no.

672
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 3: And they kept at me and I was like, oh,

673
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 3: maybe do this. And then I thought about the facility

674
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: up in northern Pasadena and the psychiatrist I knew there.

675
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: I'd covered for.

676
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: Him a bunch, and he was like, yeah, we should

677
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 3: do this. Everybody else thought we should do it, and

678
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 3: he was like, Okay, keep going. And I don't know

679
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 3: how they got the original cast, but they what they

680
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 3: would do is they'd come to me with the case

681
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 3: and go, can you treat this?

682
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: I go, yeah, I can treat that.

683
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 3: And the hard part was getting everybody in on one day.

684
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 3: That was hard for me. It was also kind of

685
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 3: like what do you do with people are struggling? Wait

686
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: till next week? And it's hard.

687
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: So there was a quote from that time period you

688
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: said this, I have no social life except for the

689
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: time I spend with these people on camp. Did I

690
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: that at that point? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, no social life

691
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: at that point? I mean and then I wow, my uh,

692
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 1: because you were doing love Line and that Rolling Stone

693
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: or where I don't know, I might have been Rolling

694
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: Stone or the New York Times. I can't remember. The

695
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: New York Times but but it wasn't during that. You

696
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: don't talk to them. I don't talk to anybody. I

697
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: don't talk to any print anymore.

698
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 3: That I'm surprised you found that drus article because that

699
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 3: I did that begrudgingly.

700
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: I don't do print. They destroyed everything else.

701
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a problem, but I am social life. I

702
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 3: was busy, was doing because I also steal by the way,

703
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 3: and just doing the show. I had other responsibilities.

704
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: And still you were still you were still in practice

705
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: as you are today. Yeah, yeah, tell me about tell

706
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: me about the advice you would offer to parents today.

707
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 1: Parents today control the screen, roll the screen.

708
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 3: I have peers that are extremely talented, and they do

709
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 3: that with their kids maximum two hours a day carefully,

710
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: you know, observed and constrained. You can put timers on

711
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 3: and shut down and kids fight, fight, fight, fight, fight,

712
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: and you still don't know what some scooball is going

713
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 3: to show your kid during a school there or whatever.

714
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 3: I would say, try to organize in such way that

715
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 3: they get it out of the school too.

716
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 1: I've heard recently young people are resistant to therapy. They

717
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: don't hear that too, even if they know there's a problem.

718
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, well, listen, there's a problem in therapy people.

719
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 3: They are not trusting therapy because it's been captured by

720
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: a lot of crazy ideas. And you know, there's all

721
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 3: this idea that there's I just did a whole thing

722
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 3: with a couple of psychologists. I couldn't believe what they

723
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 3: were telling me about how captured it has become. Where

724
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 3: people are in therapy being total of the problems all

725
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 3: out there, which is you're fine, you've been colonialized and

726
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 3: disempowered and that's why you're uncomfortable. Oh man, is that

727
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 3: going to make some disturbed people? I mean, you got

728
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 3: that is the opposite of how you help people. And again,

729
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 3: the most dangerous words are you know now we know

730
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 3: how to do this, now we figured it out. No,

731
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: never the case. To the kids that need the treatment

732
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 3: or are addicted, well, addicts, you're gonna have to be treated.

733
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 3: It's a progressive illness, it's a dangerous illness. It keeps,

734
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 3: it keeps, keep progressing, keeps progressing. But everyone's always resistant

735
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 3: to treatment for addiction. That's in the nature of the disease.

736
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 3: Not until they feel that they have to that they

737
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: do it. I've heard parents have told me we'd love

738
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: to take him. We took him to some meetings, but

739
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 3: then they start the higher power and he doesn't like

740
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 3: that at all.

741
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

742
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: Well, cognitive behavioral therapies have been showing to be helpful,

743
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 3: So get a therapist that does cognitive behavioral therapies, motivational

744
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 3: enhancement therapies. There's a lot of different ways to do this.

745
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 3: People that get well usually end up in some form

746
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: of twelveth tip that something called smart recovery that has

747
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 3: kind of a different philosophy to it. And look addicts

748
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 3: in addicts in their disease will look for any reason

749
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 3: not to get treat, not to stop doing drugs. And

750
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 3: then the real problem, though, is this California sober stuff

751
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 3: that is dangerous?

752
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: What is that?

753
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 3: And I'm still drinking or smoking weed and a little

754
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 3: bit at a time extremely dangerous.

755
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: What about the legalization? What has that done? What have

756
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: you seen in your practice over the years.

757
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 3: I've seen what I expected, which was the weed now

758
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: becomes so concentrated and so intense that it's highly addictive.

759
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: Now there's no longer any debate about is not addictive,

760
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 3: and we're seeing psychotic reactions, which I really debate.

761
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: I really doubted happened to you didn't think it would happen.

762
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 3: I didn't think so. But now it's clear it's happening,

763
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 3: very very cleo.

764
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: I seen it all around.

765
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 3: And my daughter's two years into recovery from weed. I

766
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 3: mean she has not missed a meeting in two and

767
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: half ears.

768
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: Well, Drew, you walk into a college dorm, you walk

769
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: into a college campus, it's like an aldur of the

770
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: hand out now and it's so hot. This is not your.

771
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: Grandpa as well PhD in some cases. And it's Look,

772
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 3: it's not in any chemical you're putting in your brain

773
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: that's mind altering.

774
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: It's not a trivial issue. It's just not.

775
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 3: And if it's not something that has good science behind it,

776
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 3: that it can be monitored by somebody, and even that

777
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 3: sometimes goes awry. I mean absolutely, I've got all kinds

778
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 3: of concerns about that.

779
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: Wow, what does it do to with the brain? I

780
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: know there's some debate about it. Yeah, Weed, we're talking

781
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: about now, Weed, what have you seen?

782
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 3: You know there is what I've seen is adolescence. In

783
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 3: adolescent delays development. It may cause some changes in the

784
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: anatomy of the brain. My fundamental belief is that's probably recoverable.

785
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 3: But in terms of development, that's a major issue. And

786
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: in terms of I'm seeing all over the place young

787
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 3: males not you know, we mentioned porn and video games.

788
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 3: Weed is number three in terms of getting the wind

789
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 3: out of their sails. They just don't seem to be

790
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 3: getting things done. Then they don't see the impact the

791
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 3: drug is having on Wow.

792
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: I want to talk about a couple of other contemporary things.

793
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: Britney Spears just adopted a little girl. Oh boy, I

794
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: didn't know that. Yeah, this happened today. She just announced it.

795
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: Is that for real? Yeah, they say she's adopted a

796
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: little girl. This is something she wanted. But today she

797
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: announced the name of the child. The child has arrived

798
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: given her dance videos. Is this somebody who is capable

799
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: of raising a child at this show?

800
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 3: All I know about Britney Spears, yeah, is that she

801
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 3: had bad enough bipolar disorder and maybe some substances in

802
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 3: there with that that she was not just put on

803
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 3: a three day hold. She was put on a fourteen

804
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 3: day hold and then a conservatorship that almost never happens,

805
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 3: that is reserved for the most seriously psychiatrically ill. Now

806
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 3: after years went by and she did well and she

807
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 3: wanted to try off it. I was supportive of that

808
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 3: at the ending of the concern because I didn't expect

809
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 3: it to go that well, but I thought, she wants

810
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 3: to try it. There you can walk out on the

811
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 3: street here and find people that are more deserving a

812
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: conservatship than she is in the present, even in the

813
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 3: present moment. Okay, so fine, she wanted to try off it.

814
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 3: I don't Is she taking her bipolar meds?

815
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: Is she not?

816
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 3: That's a lifelong condition for her. I can't imagine they

817
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 3: would release a child to her without somebody doing some

818
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 3: profiling on her mental well being just because she does

819
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 3: wacky dance videos. I would not condemn her. I'm not

820
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 3: ready to do that. So I've been loosely supportive of

821
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 3: all things Brittany. And she's done pretty well for quite

822
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 3: some time since coming out of conservatship. And you've seen

823
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 3: some outbursts and some relationship problems and stuff. That's all

824
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 3: part for the chorus. For her condition. The question is

825
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 3: is she getting properly managed? And that means everything she'd

826
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 3: taken her meds.

827
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: There was a story I came across Ryan Holiday, who

828
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: writes those stoic books. There is a story that it

829
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: was doctor Drew who let him down this path? Is

830
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: that true? One percent? Tell me that story?

831
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: Come on, you didn't read you read the story? You did?

832
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: I heard of it.

833
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: So I.

834
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 3: Was I was doing some sort of promotion for somebody

835
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 3: where we were doing these little mini lectures for college

836
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 3: campus newspapers and editors and sort of leaders thought leaders

837
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 3: on campuses. And as I remember, I was going with

838
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 3: a woman. There's a woman there with me who was

839
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 3: I was just trying to raise concerns about the hookup

840
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 3: culture and things like that, which again ended up where

841
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: we are now, and my concerns were justified. And at

842
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: the end of this one event in Texas As I

843
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 3: recall this kid came up to me and he goes,

844
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 3: I don't remember engaging with him that much during the roundtable,

845
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: but I think we did, and maybe he could tell

846
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: that story better than I. And he come up to me,

847
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: he goes, what are you reading these days? I want

848
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: to read what you're reading? And I go, what's your name?

849
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: Ryan? Okay, Ryan, listen, I read Obscure and Wide and

850
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: you really don't want to know?

851
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: Come on, tell me, tell me, I want to know,

852
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: and I go, Okay, I'm reading this thing called the

853
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 3: n Caridian by a guy named Epictetus, and he's a

854
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 3: Stoic philosopher. And he's like, I go, he's not the best.

855
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 3: And it's not even his words, it's one of his

856
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: students psychology. Hearts of it, and he's like, I'm going

857
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 3: to read that. I go, well, I forget the substance

858
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 3: of our conversation except to say it's it's an interesting field.

859
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 3: There's a lot of interesting stuff there. And I think

860
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 3: I was reading I've read some other Stoic at the

861
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 3: time or something, and we may have been talking about that.

862
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 3: And fast forward fifteen years there's Ryan Holiday and we

863
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 3: still respond.

864
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: I love that. I love you to confirm that story.

865
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 3: I love that he's doing what he does. I think

866
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 3: that he is a wonderful well.

867
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: In some ways, it's like he's the spawn of doctor Drew.

868
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: Doctor Drew takes this psychological and addiction knowledge and medical

869
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: training and it with the world. He takes the stoic

870
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: and forgotten yeah, you know, the philosophers, and he's sharing

871
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Speaker 1: it with the world and popularizing it. I mean, he's

872
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: really opened it up for a whole group of young

873
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: men who otherwise would not have any knowledge of these people.

874
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 3: Lesson. Did Ryan also write a book called trust Me

875
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Speaker 3: I'm lying?

876
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: Is said?

877
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 3: No, he wrote a book about manipulating sort of media.

878
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 3: I think he wrote that before I wrote his stoge books,

879
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 3: and that one impressed me too, because it was like

880
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 3: he predicted all of everything we're saying.

881
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, Okay, I have an arroyo grande questionnaire. I

882
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: ask everybody, okay, this you probably will acquainted with me,

883
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: and if not, prepared for who is the person you

884
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: most admire right now? Yes, aside from your interviewer, there's

885
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: my interviewer. He'd be impressed greatly, the gentleman that brought me.

886
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 3: The huge that's right, thank you for that, our cameraman, Lenning,

887
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: thank you, Lenny.

888
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: Let me, I have to think, who do you most admire?

889
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 3: Because I have I have, I have lots of mentors

890
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 3: and lots of people I admire. I'm thinking of this

891
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: one guy, right I My dad figured very prominently into things.

892
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 3: I admired him.

893
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: What type of medicine did he? Prayer? Family practice? Yeah?

894
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: He had great judgment.

895
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 3: His judgment was so good, So I saw him make

896
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 3: a call about his own coronary disease. And I was like, dude,

897
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 3: don't don't. No, that's not right, and it's your it's yourself.

898
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: You don't do that.

899
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: He was on, Wow, yeah, he's got good judgment.

900
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: And I've got eighty five percent of it, I say,

901
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: And I think I'm very very grateful for that. I

902
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 3: have a psychiatrist in mind who I have great respect for,

903
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 3: guy I worked in and around for years, who's helped

904
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 3: me with cases and family and things.

905
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: And I don't know.

906
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 3: I've got I've got as I This is back to

907
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: what you tell young males again. Collect mentors don't have

908
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 3: one idol. I'm sure if I sat here and thought

909
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 3: for a few minutes, I think of ten more immediately.

910
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: But but but they all fed you something that you

911
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: continue to use, use your daily law around. You know,

912
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: keep mentors there.

913
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 3: They're critically important and you can have them in different

914
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 3: disciplines and different aspects of my One of my sons

915
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: is collects mentors.

916
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: I watched him doing that. I didn't never mention it

917
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: to him.

918
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 3: I thought, oh, yeah, that is that is a really

919
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: important skill to be able to do.

920
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, who do you despise. Aside from your interview, he's

921
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: one of he's one of my mentor types.

922
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 3: Uh gosh, who do you despise?

923
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: You're overthinking this? True? You know.

924
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 3: Came right into my head was these these weird little

925
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 3: tik toks that Swallwell was doing. I found those despicable.

926
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 3: Those were despicable to me.

927
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they were just they were just curses. Reason, yes,

928
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: I get I get.

929
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 3: Discussed really easily these days, and it was a disgusting matter.

930
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's a good person or a

931
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 3: bad persons Like that is discuss what are you doing?

932
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: So so that that my latestable Usually it's Hitler or

933
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 3: I mean, that's easy, Okay, what is your best feature?

934
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 3: My best feature is my judgment. I have a really

935
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 3: good job. And that's what I got from my dad.

936
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 3: I like, I got canceled around COVID and it was

937
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 3: my judge that happened.

938
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: Another long story.

939
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: So I was I saw the pant I saw the

940
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: press generating the panic, and I was like, hey, this

941
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 3: is them trying to get your eyes and get some ratings.

942
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 3: Don't listen to it. Don't stop just stop it, stop it,

943
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 3: stop it. And I got kind of hyperbolic. I'm like,

944
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 3: you're not gonna just don't worry about it. Stop it,

945
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 3: Let's see what this is. And then and so somebody

946
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 3: put together a video of me saying it's nothing. It's

947
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 3: not saying nothing, and making it look like I had

948
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 3: was in complete denial about it, which I was not.

949
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 3: And and but here's the part I actually got wrong,

950
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 3: in my opinion, and at the end of I made

951
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 3: sure of it as a discipline. Every single time I

952
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 3: said don't worry about it, I would say the following.

953
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 3: I was in the AIDS pandemic, and Anthony Fauci was

954
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 3: a wonderful leader during that. He could be your north

955
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 3: star and will get us through this. Listen to doctor Fauci,

956
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 3: and listen to the CDC. They will get us through this.

957
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 3: And of course they left that out of the compilations.

958
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: And that's the actually the only thing I got wrong.

959
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: That's actually what I got categorically wrong.

960
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 3: And so that part is lost to the ethers, and

961
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 3: all you have is me saying, don't worry about this.

962
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 3: And so I was canceled all over the place.

963
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: And I love that you every and we've talked for

964
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: a while before we started the interview, you're willing to

965
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: look go back and say, you know what, I was

966
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: right about this, but I got this wrong. There are

967
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: very few people in public life willing to do which

968
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: is a huge mistake.

969
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 3: You've got to call strikes and balls, and you got

970
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 3: it wrong. Like like Nailmi wolf was came on my

971
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 3: show and told me some things about women's mental periods

972
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 3: in the vaccine and nanoparticles accumulating the over reason. I

973
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 3: was like, first, Nail me women in their periods.

974
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: I've been practicing at times.

975
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 3: Anything any wind blows the wrong with women's periods and

976
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 3: the nanoparticles, We'll see if that's really a big deal.

977
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 3: Then the data started coming in, and then I started

978
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 3: listening like an idiot to the real experiences of women

979
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 3: with these menstrual of regularities and what it meant to them.

980
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 3: And I thought, holy god, I am a sexist, hubristic pig.

981
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: This is inexcusable.

982
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 3: I brought Naomi and I said, I am so sorry,

983
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 3: it's inexcusable. I was sexist, I was lubistic. I minimized

984
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 3: something that was important, and I categorically I will keep

985
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 3: falling on my sword. That's not okay, And apologize to

986
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 3: her in public every time I see her. And I've

987
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 3: got some other ones coming. I've got some others that

988
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 3: and you know, the COVID one. I got certain things wrong.

989
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 3: I got some stuff wrong with the vaccine early because

990
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 3: I thought this seems like a good plan.

991
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, favorite book and the last spoke you read.

992
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 3: I'm reading a book on George Marshall right now. I'm

993
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 3: almost done. Whether it's huge mongus. I read a book

994
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 3: called The Alchemy of Air before that about I read

995
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 3: a lot, a lot of you're like, Ryan Holiday, Now

996
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 3: I want to read what you're read.

997
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 1: Read. I read everywhere and everything.

998
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 3: It's about the It's about the engineering and chemistry of

999
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 3: ammonia essentially and fertilizer and how.

1000
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: It figured into the twentieth century.

1001
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 3: It's a big story and the Nazis and you know, anyway,

1002
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 3: and uh, but the Marshall book has been extraordinary to

1003
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 3: sort of see.

1004
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm reading a lot about China right now. It's like,

1005
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: oh god, what a mess. Yeah, what a mess? All

1006
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: we got here? What a mess?

1007
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 3: Hey, we must read our history, we must, we must.

1008
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 3: I got into reading really when I started having time

1009
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 3: to read through biographies and I read widely. Abraham Lincoln

1010
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 3: became an obsession of mine. Aaron Burr, Jefferson Hamilton. I

1011
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 3: was reading all the stuff and.

1012
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: I see them on your shelf. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1013
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: that's that's in t r oh. I loved my favorite

1014
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,919
Speaker 1: amazing president, amazing man. Yeah, crazy, grandiose.

1015
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 3: But narcissistic, bipo manic, right, and one of the best president's,

1016
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 3: greatest president we've ever had one of them.

1017
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: What do you know that no one else knows.

1018
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 3: God's a lot of things. And that's why I keep talking.

1019
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 3: It's unfortunately people don't understand what death and dying is.

1020
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 3: People don't understand the important of faith. People don't really

1021
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 3: get what addiction is. People don't understand what mental health is.

1022
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 3: There's just so many things about the human condition. Let

1023
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 3: me tell you this. I'll tell you one thing. Okay,

1024
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 3: we are an embedded species, and I mean this in

1025
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 3: this sense. Our brain is embedded in a body. Our

1026
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 3: body is embedded in relationships, and these relationships are embedded

1027
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 3: in a sociohistorical moment, and all of it is important.

1028
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 3: All of it comes to bear on us, and we

1029
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 3: should try and do our best to understand all of it.

1030
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 3: It's it's it's I mean, I understand it's a lot,

1031
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 3: but at least have some understanding of the socio economic

1032
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 3: historical moments we're in and how we got here, and

1033
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 3: then what relationships are and how to manage some how

1034
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 3: to do them in a healthy way, and something about

1035
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 3: our brains and our health and our spiritual condition.

1036
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:21,720
Speaker 1: This is all.

1037
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 3: This is why I don't get super specific, because I

1038
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 3: don't know what's going to really appeal to people except

1039
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 3: to say, we've got to attend to these things, must attend.

1040
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 1: How do we fit in the chain of history here?

1041
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: Where do we fit? And what do we what's our

1042
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: role in this?

1043
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: How do you make a difference? How do you make meaning?

1044
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 3: How do you do that? And if it's to raise

1045
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 3: your ran kids, then do that? Who was it i ran?

1046
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 3: Somebody was saying just be the best. It was a

1047
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 3: zen thing. Just do the best at what you decide.

1048
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: You want to do. Just be good at that head

1049
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: of it. It's a street sweeper. Be the best. Yeah,

1050
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: what would mother Teresa say? There are things you can do.

1051
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: I can't do. Do everything with great love, small things,

1052
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: with great love.

1053
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 3: Great grace, great love, great faith, great hope, great intention.

1054
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: I fear my age. I start to feel I fear

1055
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 1: losing my.

1056
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 3: Cognitive functioning. I feel things slipping here and there, and

1057
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 3: I do not like it. I fight very hard against it.

1058
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 3: What's your biggest regret, oh Man, I regret my workoholism

1059
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 3: having a negative impact on people I love, And yet

1060
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 3: it was really important, well for.

1061
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: Them, for you, for all of us, for your audience.

1062
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 3: I had an important experience and I'm sorry that I

1063
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 3: regret that it affected them.

1064
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: What's the best piece of advice you ever received?

1065
00:53:54,800 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 3: Hmm, gosh, you know you're making You're making me think

1066
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 3: about these things.

1067
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: I told you I'm slowing. No, no, no, you're not slowing. Look,

1068
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: I can always edit think about this. The best the

1069
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: best advice I got was from my dad.

1070
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 3: He said, your your most important diagnostic tool is your ear.

1071
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 3: Listen and and I have learned through I talked to

1072
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 3: you a little bit about before the show. Listening is

1073
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 3: not just what you hear. It's the impact on your

1074
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 3: entire body, what you feel and think and smell, and

1075
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 3: how you respond and when I'm when people are asking

1076
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 3: you know what, how do you sustain intimacy or how

1077
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 3: do you empathize. It's listen, but listen with your whole

1078
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 3: body like an antenna, and just pay attention to everything

1079
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 3: that comes up. If you have a thought or a

1080
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 3: smell or something that that it's meaningful, it may have

1081
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 3: come from the other person, especially if it's not something

1082
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 3: you recognize as something you would normally experience, like, well,

1083
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 3: that's something that some part of that person is communicating

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Speaker 3: with you lean into it.

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Speaker 1: Pay attention what happens when this is over?

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Speaker 3: My life because I think I'm gonna work right to

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Speaker 3: the end or to mean this interview, I'm gonna leave that.

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Speaker 1: Everybody asks me when this is over, whether it's the interview,

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Speaker 1: when this is over, When this is over? Uh.

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Speaker 3: This is another piece of advice. People need a simple existence.

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Speaker 3: I have to go to the DMV inside some papers

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Speaker 3: when this is over. Humility and simple life and just

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Speaker 3: being a human being, intrude, this is this is all

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Speaker 3: of us. Just be a be a person. If I

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Speaker 3: wish for everybody that they have the opportunity to make

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Speaker 3: a difference and to follow their passions and to explore

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Speaker 3: creatively all these things that I've been able to do.

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Speaker 3: It's it's crazy to me that I've been able to

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Speaker 3: do that and to use aspects all parts of my

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Speaker 3: and try to create things that make a difference for

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Speaker 3: other people. Mind blowing and I'm so, so so grateful

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Speaker 3: for it. Cultivate gratitude. It's another thing I didn't mention.

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Speaker 3: That's another important thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're grateful for you. Thank you, and thank you

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Speaker 1: for the time. This great thank you. All right, here's

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Speaker 1: the hole to you. Bro's watching. There are so many

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Speaker 1: great bits of advice that doctor Drew shared collect mentors,

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Speaker 1: such a great tip one that we often forget, and

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Speaker 1: as far as the fertility deficit, find someone you love

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Speaker 1: and have babies. Society is a reflection of the people

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Speaker 1: in it. If you're so self obsessed and in your

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Speaker 1: own head and in your own body that you can't

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Speaker 1: see beyond you, society is over. Lose the pot, get

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Speaker 1: over the porn, and give yourself a real partner, someone

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Speaker 1: you can build a family and a future with, the

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Speaker 1: only future worth having. By the way, I hope you'll

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Speaker 1: come back to a royal grande soon. Why settle for

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Speaker 1: a dry, constricted life when if you fill it with

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Speaker 1: wisdom and knowledge, it can flow into a broad, thriving

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Speaker 1: Arroyo Grande. I'm raiding Arroyo. Make sure you subscribe and

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Speaker 1: like this episode. Thanks for diving in. We'll see you

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Speaker 1: next time. Arroyo Grande is produced in partnership with iHeart

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