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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four seventh home of the Black and Gold

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I am Dale Lollly. He

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Speaker 1: is Matt Williamson and this is the Drive on Steelers

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Speaker 1: Nation Radio and Matt our friend Aaron Schatz from Football

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Speaker 1: Outsiders has put out a list, a kind of a

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Speaker 1: primer on NFL free agency, and this one is tagged

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Speaker 1: one player every team must sign, not you should sign

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Speaker 1: or look might look to sign. One player every team

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Speaker 1: must sign. So he's looking at this analytically in terms

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Speaker 1: of fit and everything of that nature. So I thought

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Speaker 1: we'd go through this. Do we want to start with

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Speaker 1: a Steelers picker. We want to get to them. Let's

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Speaker 1: not give everyone. Let's let's not be that easy on

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Speaker 1: the local list. So we'll go through here. These are

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Speaker 1: listed in alphabetical order. For the Arizona Cardinals. He has

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Speaker 1: cornerback James Bradberry. Okay, I mean you gotta remember Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Gannon is now the head coach. He was defensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: for the Eagles. That would make a lot of sense

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals. Cardinals cornerbacks were a problem last year. Big

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Speaker 1: time for the Atlanta Falcons wide receiver Jacobe Myers. I

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Speaker 1: mean he's a lot different than London and Pitts. Actually

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Speaker 1: that would make some sense. Yeah, I don't hate it.

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Speaker 1: I would have assumed it would be a defensive player.

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Speaker 1: But give quarterback. If Desmond Ritters your quarterback, give him

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Speaker 1: the best chance to succeed that you can now all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, if you've got and I don't love

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Speaker 1: Myers as a player, but he's an NFL receiver. Sure

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Speaker 1: you got London, Pitts and Myers in that running game.

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Speaker 1: Now you could do some damage, not even offense, you know.

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Speaker 1: I and then just draft defense like crazy. Yeah. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens people like this cornerback camera and Sutton,

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Speaker 1: I get it. I mean, Peters is a free agent

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Speaker 1: that just doesn't happen though. That's a weird. Guys who

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Speaker 1: were Steelers don't usually become Ravens and vice versa, right,

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Speaker 1: And the Warmly trade is like the weirdest thing, really

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Speaker 1: an outlier. Yeah, but the Ravens do need cornerback help.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the things. You know. I'm one of

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Speaker 1: my early mock drafts had the Ravens taking a cornerback

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Speaker 1: instead of a wide receiver. Yeah. Remember last segment they

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Speaker 1: took Zay Jones in that mock. Maybe they should have

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Speaker 1: just gone corner. And Marcus Peters and Cal Fuller are

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Speaker 1: free agents. Yeah, and they're getting up an age, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean they they like to have that

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Speaker 1: I would say that's our second biggest need unless they

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Speaker 1: I don't know how they're gonna be buyers. Wait, yeah,

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Speaker 1: especially to afford a guy like Jesse Bates. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna make some money. He didn't make a lot

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Speaker 1: of money. The Carolina Panthers defensive end Dwayne Smoot. That's

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Speaker 1: not very exciting, but it wasn't bad year, you know. Yeah. Um,

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Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears, this one was interesting. Offensive tackle Juwan Taylor.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a nice not bargain, but is an

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Speaker 1: ascending player. Twenty five year old offensive tackle with a

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Speaker 1: lot of starting experience. Those guys usually don't make it

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Speaker 1: the free agency. He was an early pick. I mean great,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's where you use your money. If

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Speaker 1: you're the Bears, you know you'll get a legit right tackle.

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Speaker 1: It's twenty five years old. Of course you're probably gonna

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Speaker 1: overspend a little, but okay, I mean you have a

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Speaker 1: goa jillion dollars, right, They've got all kinds they can

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Speaker 1: If they didn't signed James Daniels. Now, maybe James Daniels

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so that's interesting for the Cincinnati Bengals guard

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Speaker 1: probably need two linemen, don't you think? Yeah, guard and

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Speaker 1: twenty million a year, right, you know, like the Bears

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Speaker 1: They can't afford to blow it all in one. That's

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Speaker 1: I was about to say, is they should sign two

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Speaker 1: four million dollars defensive tackles, not a twenty two million

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Speaker 1: that flirtation was real. I mean I think it was

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Speaker 1: know what Odell Beckham's worth right now. That was about

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Speaker 1: what I was gonna say. It is like, hasn't played

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Speaker 1: hasn't really played football in three years? Right? I mean,

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Speaker 1: can you give him more than a one year deal?

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Speaker 1: I can't. I feel like no. And is he getting

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Speaker 1: he want to do that? Like? Right, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: year ballers in the division. Yeah, it makes sense. Their

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Speaker 1: offense isn't as needy as people think. No, No, They've

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Speaker 1: they've got skill position guys. Yeah. Although I don't know

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Speaker 1: if anyone can call on Javonte Williams. News on him

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Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner. Oh, I love this one because they're so young. There.

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Speaker 1: Give me, you know, the your uncle that's been around

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Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz, that'd be fine. I mean, we had them

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Speaker 1: some sort of tight end. I'm not the biggest Scholtz

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Speaker 1: For the Houston Texans DJ Shark. DJ Shark's gonna get paid.

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Speaker 1: what they're gonna make, Chark might be the guy i'd

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Speaker 1: young quarterback, he's a good player. Where the Indianapolis Colts

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Speaker 1: Colts have. Though. They'd be dumping a lot of money

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Speaker 1: into their into their offensive line again though, especially guards, right,

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Speaker 1: money tied up in guards, off the ball linebackers, slot corners,

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Speaker 1: not not where you want to spend money, right right right.

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Speaker 1: The Jacksonville Jaguars, Mike GISICKI do they need another pass catcher?

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Speaker 1: trying to read the logic here from Aaron, because I

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Speaker 1: could see them drafting Darnell Washington, who's just so different

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Speaker 1: Carlo's dunlap as a free agent. So but are you

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Speaker 1: He worries me. But they need tackles. I mean both

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Speaker 1: Draymond Jones, really good player. He's gonna make a lot

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Speaker 1: he's still ascending. The Raiders. Juju Smith, Schuster M. They're

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Speaker 1: I haven't. They've shopped in free agency for three years now. Uh.

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Speaker 1: For the Saints, it's defensive tackle Geron Reid. He's always

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Speaker 1: sign him instead of going after Javon Hargrave. Yeah, guy

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Speaker 1: hearted if they open camp with Edwards Jack Robinson maybe

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