1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge, presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 1: and I'm finally joined by Garrett Downing, fresh office paternity leave, 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: and Garrett very thrilled to have you back. 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: I am. I'm excited. It's good to have a new 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: edition in the Downing family. Little boy and welcome to 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 2: the family. So it was really nice to have time 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: at home with him and as a family, but also 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 2: excited to get the twenty twenty five season off and 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: running here. And the big thing really is the biggest 10 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: thing I'm disappointed about is that I missed a fifty 11 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: three man roster prediction pod. 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 3: That's one of my favorite pause that saved you for 13 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 3: having egging on your face. 14 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: I went fifty three for fifty three. It was perfect 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: for me this year. 16 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 3: I didn't we here we go podcast. 17 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 2: Privately, I went fifty three for fifty three years. You 18 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: once again did not never have, never will. But it's 19 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 2: good to be back. And and today's you know, it's 20 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: it's both a disappointing day for some guys that could 21 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: and an exciting day for others who kind of have 22 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: their dreams come true. So we're gonna break it all 23 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: down here and like I said, I'm excited to get 24 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 2: this season off and running. Yep. 25 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: All right, So let's start with players who were considered 26 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: on the roster bubble who made the team. That list 27 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: is running back Russien Ali, guard center Corey Bullock, inside 28 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: linebacker Jay Higgins, the fourth safety Ruben Lowry, and cornerback 29 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: Kean Martin. So those are the five guys, Like, congrats 30 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: to all five of those guys, as well as you 31 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: know the other forty eight players who made the team. 32 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: But those guys were I think not not necessarily considered 33 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: a lock. 34 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 3: Okay. 35 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: And then players who were on the bubble who did 36 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: not make the team, I would point to center Nick Semak, 37 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: offensive lineman Garrett Dellinger, cornerback Jellen armor Davis, and to 38 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: some degree, defensive lineman Brent Urban. And so Garrett, let's 39 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: let's break it all down. And first of all, we'll 40 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: say the Ravens came into training camp, why Lee regarded 41 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: as having arguably the most loaded roster in the NFL. Yeah, 42 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: and the best, you know, top to bottom. 43 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 3: They also had eleven. 44 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: Draft picks competing to make this roster. So a lot 45 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: of people, ourselves included said at the beginning of training. 46 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 3: Camplake. 47 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: Of all years, like, I don't I don't see this 48 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: being the year that undrafted rookie makes the fifty three. 49 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: Like it's gonna be tough, and the Ravens have a 50 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: long history of at least one making the team, but 51 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: like this was going to be a particularly difficult year 52 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: to accomplish that. 53 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then three made the fifty three man roster. 54 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, as we said, Reuben Lowry, Jay Higgins and then 55 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: Kem Martin. 56 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was really surprised by that, And especially if 57 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: you would have said that, like back in April, coming 58 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 2: out of the draft, when the Ravens had those eleven picks, 59 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: and like even going back further than that, I remember 60 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: asking Eric Tacosta at the pre draft press conference, like 61 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: you have eleven picks, Like do you want. 62 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,119 Speaker 3: To keep all of ye? How can all even even 63 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 3: make the fifty He. 64 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: Said that he was like, it's unlikely that all eleven 65 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: of those guys, we probably don't have spots for eleven rookies. Well, 66 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: all eleven draft picks aren't on the fifty three men roster, 67 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 2: but there ends up being ten rookies who end up 68 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: making the team. Soda Costa, as he said, not necessarily 69 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: the space for eleven. But look, we were all I'm surprised, 70 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: Like I'm surprised. 71 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: Let me just say by making the team, Like two 72 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: of those guys Bka and then Robert Longerbeam are on 73 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: injured reserve. Emery Jones, the third round pick, is in NFI. Yes, 74 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: he hasn't practiced all offseason, so he will be on 75 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: the team, he's just currently not part of the fifty three. 76 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: And then the one that did not make the team 77 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: is Garrett Dellinger, their final seventh round pick. 78 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you lose three basically the injury for the 79 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: initial fifty three, right one gets cut. You add in 80 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: three who are undrafted rookies, and so look, I think 81 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: it's a credit to them. Like we actually did the 82 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: Undrafted Rookies podcast earlier in the spring talking about guys 83 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: who have potential, and like we threw out all of 84 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,119 Speaker 2: these disclaimers saying that, like it's probably unlikely that any 85 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: of them end up making the team. But I think 86 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: both of us did circle Jay Higgins as a candidate, 87 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: and he's someone that jumped out to me. He just 88 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 2: was I think he just proved to be too good 89 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: to cut like. He was a guy that was a 90 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: tackling machine in his Iowa career. He was the top 91 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 2: graded rookie. 92 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 3: He was All American, Yeah, he was. 93 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 2: He was the top graded rookie in the entire league 94 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 2: in the preseason. Uh a linebacker. So that's pretty courting 95 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: the football focus, Yeah, pro football focus. He had sack, interception, 96 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 2: two passes, defense, a bunch of tackles like, he was 97 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: all over the place. And so you play like that 98 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 2: and you're gonna get noticed. And so we'll talk about 99 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: each of them individually, but he was a guy that 100 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 2: did stand out to me. And and the Ravens have 101 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if you knew this, but they've had 102 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: some undrafted linebackers make the team in the past. 103 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 3: Well ones call in the defensive place, yes. 104 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: Zach's look, there's a long history Danell, llerb Bart Scott 105 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 2: A McClain. It like, it's a long list of guys 106 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: who have done it and played at a high level 107 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 2: and carved out really nice careers for themselves. So credit 108 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: to Jay Higgens for being the next in line. 109 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: Well, I think beyond Jay Higgins when you look at 110 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: the three, to me, it comes down to who may plays, 111 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: and especially in preseason games. Right, Kem Martin had a 112 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: safety in Dallas and a pick six in the preseason finale. 113 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 3: Dude made plays, okay, and. 114 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: Then Robert Ruben Lowry had an interception in Dallas on 115 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: a absolute bomb and made a nice play in the 116 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: end zone and and has made arguably, I mean, he's 117 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: been one of the Ravens top playmakers in practice as well. 118 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: And so like, you make plays in practice and games, 119 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: you make the team. That's kind of it kind of 120 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: is as simple as that. And I think there's a 121 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: lot of nuance within all those decisions. There's additional reasons, 122 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: but like when you really boil it down, you make plays, 123 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 1: you make the team. 124 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. And like Ruin Lovery was somebody 125 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 2: we started talking about an OTAs being like, look, there's 126 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 2: a long way to go. He's got to prove it 127 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: when the pass come on training camps a different beast, preseason, 128 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: a different beast. But like he was consistently coming up 129 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: and felt like with an interception every other day in 130 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: practice when we were watching it, and You're just like, 131 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: this guy just keeps coming up with picks. I've used 132 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: this analogy before, but like it reminded me of Geno Stone. 133 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: Now Gino was a seventh round pick. But you're like 134 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: man Gino Stone just making plays. He's coming up to. 135 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: Round the ball a lot, even if he's not like 136 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: making an interception. I read like he's just around the 137 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: ball the ball. 138 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so like he continued that and then like 139 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 2: every stage, training camp, preseason game, he continued it, and 140 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 2: so lotvery with someone like he kind of jumped on 141 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: the radar a little bit early and then never fell off. 142 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: That's the thing that you see a lot of times, 143 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: like a guy will have a hot spring, then they 144 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: get into training camp and they fade away. That didn't 145 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: happen with him or any of those three undrafted rookies. 146 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, just to add a little bit more nuanced in 147 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: depth to the conversation, I think that with Higgins specifically, 148 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: you look at inside lineback and obviously you have Roquon. 149 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: The spot next to Roquon, in my view, is kind 150 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: of I wouldn't say wide open, but it's kidn. 151 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 3: Be anyone's game. 152 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: Like you could see any of those other four guys 153 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: getting time there, right, I mean, in addition to special teams, 154 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: but like Trenton Simpson is the projected starter next to 155 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: Roquon But Trenton Simpson was the only starter playing in 156 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: the preseason finale on the team, and like played a 157 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: good amount in that preseason game. I think the Ravens 158 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: really like what they see from Teddy Buchanan, the fourth 159 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: round pick. He's gonna, I think see defensive action for 160 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: this team in a fair amount of it. You know, 161 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: obviously Jake Hummel, who they signed, he's more of a 162 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: special teams guy. But like, to me, in part, also 163 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: keeping Jay Higgins is kind of potentially a nod to like, 164 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: hey man, this guy, like maybe we use him as 165 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: a linebacker defensively, like and obviously if injuries aside or whatnot, 166 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: But like he it goes to me, to me, that's 167 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: not necessarily just a oh you're fifth inside linebackers. 168 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: That's a special team's decision. 169 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, because like there's bigger, faster guys that didn't 170 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: make this team than Jay Higgins at six foot two thirty, right, 171 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: Like there's guys with now. Jay Higgins played special teams 172 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: at Iowa, so he has experience. But like if that 173 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: was solely a special team's decision, like I could have 174 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: seen it going a different way. To me, it's like, 175 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: this dude's a pretty darn good inside linebacker, and if 176 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: it comes down to it, maybe he plays you know 177 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: what I mean. 178 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 2: As I said in college, I mean he had three 179 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 2: hundred and forty one tackles like you just like as 180 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 2: a tackling machine. 181 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: And that's what zach Orr talked about. He was like, 182 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: this dude just like instinctually he is. I thought it 183 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: was an interesting point from zach Orr when he said 184 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: a lot of linebackers now in college, like they played 185 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: other positions and then they got moved to linemacker late 186 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: in college, or they're like this hybrid role safety. 187 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 3: They're like an athlete, right. 188 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: He's like Jay Higgins has just played linebacker's whole life. 189 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 3: He's the old school kind of got. 190 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 2: So try and true linebacker. 191 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 192 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: Like, and and that counts for something when it comes 193 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: to reading plays instincts, knowing what you're seeing in front 194 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: of you, like, and those guys end up making a 195 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 1: lot of tackles. And so I think that was a 196 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: check mark in his in his uh column. 197 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 3: Well, if you go. 198 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: Back to last year, the Ravens next to Roque. At 199 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: the end of the season, it was Malie Harrison and 200 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: Chris board who playing the snaps there. Both of them 201 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: left in free agency. Chris Barden undrafted exactly, who's had 202 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: a really nice career. He's gone a few different places, 203 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: but had a really pretty established career in the NFL's 204 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 2: an undrafted player, undrafted linebacker, so. 205 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 3: Was also on team another undrafted linebacker. Yeah, but we 206 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 3: could keep going up with Christian Welch, just like Jay Higgins. Yeah. 207 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: So anyway, I think that he is a guy that 208 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 2: intrigued me from the time he arrived here and he 209 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 2: never disappointed. So credit to him. And it really is 210 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: like I think the Ravens organization deserves a lot of credit, 211 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: like picture wise, from their for their ability to draft 212 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: and develop, not draft, undraft, find develop, uh, these players 213 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 2: who the rest of the league oftentimes can look past. 214 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: So it's like it's multi layered. It's the personnel department 215 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: for finding these guys and assessing them and saying. 216 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: That markdo there's a lot of credit in that. Like 217 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: he I think he deserves the shout out by name, 218 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, he's kind of like spearheaded that 219 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: undrafted rookie scouring process and scouting process for years now. 220 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 3: Yeah he deserves it. 221 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, Mark does a great job with that. And obviously 222 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 2: all the scouts are involved in that process. 223 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: So and the coaches are involved in that, like coaches 224 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: are making phone calls too. It's yeah, it's it's like 225 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: it's a collaborative team effort. If if you want to 226 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: go back and see that we've done behind the scenes videos, 227 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: uh during draft weekend, go back and watch some of 228 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: the Wired episodes and uh, it's interesting to see how 229 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: like everybody gets involved in that process. 230 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 2: The undrafted rookie recruiting process is something that Ravens take 231 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: very seriously, I think speak for themselves. So it's it's 232 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 2: the ability to find these guys, is the ability to 233 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: develop them from a coaching standpoint once they arrive. And 234 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 2: then I think the third and this is like one 235 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 2: of one of the harder pieces too, is like having 236 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: the guts to pull the trigger on some of these 237 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: guys where you say, like, you know what, we feel 238 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: good about giving Zach Orr a shot coming out of 239 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 2: what school Northern Texas. You know, like giving a guy 240 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: an opportunity and seeing what they can do, and like 241 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 2: the players deserve the credit, of course for doing it, 242 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 2: but like it's it's not the easiest thing to give 243 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: some of these undrafted rookies an opportunity in practice in 244 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 2: preseason games and then to go with them at roster 245 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: cut downpoint. But the Ravens have shown time and time 246 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: again that they, hey, the best man wins the competition. 247 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: And I think that's part of the reason that undrafted 248 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: rookies look at the opportunity here in Baltimore and say, like, 249 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 2: let me go there, because they've proven if I play 250 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 2: well as an undrafted rookie, I can make the team. 251 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 3: You're gonna have a legitimate shot. I've got shot. 252 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: And it's not just the players, the agents. The agents 253 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: know the Ravens a legitimate shot, and they coach him 254 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: up and they have a chance. And yeah, I agree 255 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: with all that, and I also will say, well, I 256 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: guess let's move on. So one of the more surprising 257 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: roster decisions I thought and cuts was Jallen Armor Davis 258 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: fourth round corner, who I think a lot of us, 259 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: yourself included if you're being honest, you're being honest with 260 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: the listeners. Fifty three for fifty three for yeah, if 261 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: you're being honest, you had Jalen armor Davis on and 262 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: and so the thing with Jayllen Armor Davis has always 263 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: been health. This was perhaps his healthiest training camp he's 264 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: had in his career. And you know, he was a 265 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: player I thought that stood out for good reasons in 266 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: OTAs and was one of the kind of early summer standouts. 267 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: And now he did have some injuries over the summer, 268 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: but didn't miss much time, came back and like you know, 269 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: he's an experienced player entering his fourth year. Like especially 270 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: after the Ravens had season ending injuries to bil Cone 271 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: and Robert Longer, Meimei, I thought, all right, now his 272 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 1: spot is even more of a sure thing. 273 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 2: Honestly, even more than the injuries to the rookies. To me, 274 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 2: it was more of the injuries that both Chiato Wuzier 275 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 2: and Jaira Alexander have been dealing with as of late. 276 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: Now John Harbaugh has said that those are training camp 277 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 2: type things and expects everybody to be good to go 278 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: for the start of the regular season. 279 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 3: But when Cheeto was back on the practice field today, 280 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 3: he was he was. 281 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,599 Speaker 2: But like Jaia Alexander has missed time here over the 282 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: past couple of weeks since Chido has been on and 283 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 2: off the field at times since signing here this offseason, 284 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: so those guys have dealt with injuries, and so I 285 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 2: felt like, oh, okay, it's probably likely that you keep Jalen 286 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: armor Davis because. 287 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 3: He's playing NFL games. You know he can step in 288 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 3: there and play. 289 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: He's experienced it as long as he's healthy, and so 290 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I thought so, But you know, 291 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: when you think about it, more, okay, TJ Tampa just 292 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: beat him out for a spot, know I mean, you 293 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: talk about guys. 294 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 3: CJ. 295 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: Tampa might have made the most interceptions in training camp 296 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 1: period or like over let's say, beyond training camp the 297 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: whole summer. Probably Ruben Lowry might be number two. But 298 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: TJ Tampa, especially in the past week or two, has 299 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: bad multiple interceptions, and coaches have talked about how he's alright. 300 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: He's starting to play more to a size and be 301 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: a little bit more aggressive, and I think they see 302 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: his trajectory really going up. And this is a fourth 303 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: round pick a year ago, who I think the Ravens 304 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: and a lot of people felt like, hey, this is 305 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: a potential steal. So I think he's really kind of, 306 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, an ascending player. Jalen Armor Davis has more 307 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: of an established track record, but is he on the 308 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: same trajectory Let's say at CG. 309 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 3: Tampa. 310 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 2: I don't know, Well, I really thought it was I'd 311 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: never At one point it seemed like it might be 312 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: either or I thought I. 313 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 3: Thought yeah, but I thought it was going to be both. 314 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 3: I thought both were going. 315 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: To be At the end of the day, it seemed 316 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 2: like it could likely be both. But then Keon Martin 317 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: comes on strong exactly. 318 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 3: And the thing I think the advantage. I think TJ. 319 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: Tampa has the advantage over Jalen Arma Daves because he 320 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: just made more plays. He just had a better training camp, 321 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: I think. And then, in my opinion, Keon Martin's advantage 322 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: over Jaalen Armor Davis's versatility, Like Keon Martin is more 323 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: of a nickel corner. That's that's what he's been playing 324 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: in the race. He's really the Ravens only kind of 325 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: true nickel corner. Now, Marlon Humphrey plays nickel at a 326 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: very very high level, but like Marlon also plays outside. 327 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: But you know, the Ravens without Kem Martin, the Ravens 328 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: have a bunch of guys who can double as a 329 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: nickel corner Marlin, Kyle Hamilton, Malecki, Starks, maybe Ruben Lowry, 330 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: like he's been learning a lot of spots. I don't 331 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: know if Nichol's really at the top of that. I 332 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: don't it's not at the top of that, But like Ken, 333 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: he play there. 334 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 3: I don't know. 335 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: All of the Keon Martin though, Like so a bunch 336 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: of player is kind of minor in nickel cornerback. Nickel 337 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: cornerback is ke On Martin's major, you know, And so 338 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: I think that it provides more just kind of overall 339 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: versatility and depth in your secondary overall, Whereas like Jaalen 340 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: Armor Davis, he's a boundary, He's an outside corner. You 341 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: already have a bunch of this, you know. I mean, 342 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: Jay yr is an outside corner corner. Wiggins is an 343 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: outside corner, Cheetah is an outside corner. 344 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 3: TJ. Tampa is an outside corner. 345 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So, like I think that that may have 346 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: helped Keon Martin's case. 347 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: Also, it's a little similar like last year the Ravens 348 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 2: had Arthur Maulett. He dealt with Andrewes from much of 349 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: the year. But like he was, I'm a nickel corner, 350 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 2: Like I'm a slot corner. That's my that's my position, 351 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: and and so it's a little bit similar. You like 352 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 2: to have those guys in the mix too when you're 353 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 2: looking at your overall you know mix there in the secondary. 354 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm with you though, Like I think Jalen 355 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 2: Arber Davis was the name that a lot of people 356 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 2: saw and they said, whoa that one. That one is surprising. 357 00:16:58,120 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: I think the other And. 358 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: I'll just add to Ruben Lowry like his versatility, very 359 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: very smart guy has learned multiple positions, Like when you're 360 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: talking about the versatility that he offers versus what Jalen 361 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: armor Davis offers. Like Jalen Armor Davis kind of played 362 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: in the safety waters early in training camp, they were 363 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: kind of cross training him and then that kind of ended, 364 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: whereas Ruben Lowry just kept adding more and more and 365 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: more to his plate. So I just think in part 366 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: you can say that the Ravens valued playmaking and versatility 367 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: when they were making these decisions, particularly in the secondary. 368 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 2: Now, the other area that I think we all were 369 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 2: trying to kind of figure out was the offensive line. 370 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,239 Speaker 2: That was like what is this group gonna look like. 371 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: I'll just run through the group for you real quick. 372 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: Here it's Ronnie Stanley, Andrew Voris, Tyler Linderbaum, Daniel fau Leile, 373 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 2: Roger rosen Garden, Joseph Noteboom, Carson Vincent, Ben Cleveland who 374 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: was on the bubble, and then the other one who 375 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 2: made it is Corey Bulloch backup center. And so those 376 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 2: are your offensive lineman. The guys who did not make 377 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 2: it Garrett Dellinger rookie seventh round pick and Nick Saymac 378 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 2: late round pick from last year, both kind of guard 379 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 2: center options there for the Ravens, similar players, and so 380 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 2: the Ravens went with Bullock over those over those guys 381 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 2: and then Cleveland as well as an experienced player who 382 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 2: could step in really at either guard spot and competed 383 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 2: this summer for a starting guard job as well. 384 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: To me, the takeaway here is it's a good story 385 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: for Corey Bullock, like, and I think it's a good 386 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: story to other players out there that all right, here's 387 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: Corey Bullock who was an undrafted rookie who spent all 388 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: of last season on the practice squad, and like, oftentimes 389 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: you see that and you think Okay, he's just gonna 390 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: be a practice squad guy, you know what I mean. 391 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 3: And like, Bullock. 392 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: Went to work this past offseason, rented a place out 393 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: in Arizona, trained at one of the top offensive line 394 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: gyms in the cun Tree, if not the best, and 395 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: like just I mean, he told me he took like 396 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: a week or two off after the practice senate and 397 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: then it's been full time like training out there and 398 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: obviously here the entire offseason, Like has just worked his 399 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: butt off. Yeah, and he's a college tackle from the 400 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: University of Maryland. I don't know why I did that, 401 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: but I. 402 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 3: Just wanted to. 403 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: It's sound great, it felt it felt even better. But 404 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 1: so he converged from college tackle to center, like works 405 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: his butt off even last year during practice squad and 406 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: then especially this season to like learn. 407 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 3: How to play center. And it's just he's just won 408 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 3: the job. 409 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: And like it's kind of a testament to like, you 410 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: start on practice squad, that doesn't mean it's your ultimate destination. 411 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: You can you can work your way onto the fifty 412 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: three man roster. And hey, he beat out he beat 413 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: out two guys that were draft picks. 414 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 3: Credit to him. 415 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 2: I think it's a good I think it's a good 416 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 2: story and it like and it speaks to what we 417 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 2: said just a little bit ago, made the best man win, 418 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 2: Like the Ravens allow these practices and preseason games to 419 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 2: determine who ends up making their way out of the team, 420 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 2: and like he did, he earned a spot, and so 421 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 2: credit credit to him. 422 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: Also local stories from Prince Georger's County in Maryland here, 423 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: so mary Maryland kid, Yeah. 424 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 3: It's always nice. 425 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 2: So you have like a Maryland story of yeah, that 426 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: makes it like there's been plenty of players over the 427 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 2: years of who have either you know, grown up Ravens 428 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 2: fans or in the area and like to see them 429 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 2: make the team, like it means something to them, and 430 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 2: it's always encouraging to see that. One of the guys 431 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 2: actually who did get released, who was kind of the 432 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 2: one of the feel good local stories from last year 433 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 2: as we're talking about that who was on the bubble 434 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 2: and disappointed to see him get released is Bo Braid. 435 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 2: As we talked about the secondary, probably should have mentioned 436 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 2: Bo in that mix to basically Ruben Lowry gets the 437 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 2: nod over him, and you know and snoozy Kane Sanoosey 438 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 2: Kane makes the team. Bo Braid and Sanoozy Kane kind 439 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 2: of came in competing for a spot there, and then 440 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 2: Ruben Lowry just came on strong all spring and Summer 441 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 2: ends up pushing bow Braid out as he ends as 442 00:20:58,280 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 2: Lowry gets the nod there. 443 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: Again, I'll just point to versatility, you know, I think 444 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: that Ruben Lowry has more versatility than Bo Braid does 445 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: to play multiple spots in your secondary and and you know, 446 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: RUBM Lowry just like made more plays, you know, in 447 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: practice and whatnot. I thought I had Bo on my 448 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: fifty three because I thought for special teams reasons that 449 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: like he not that I had Ruben Lowry also on 450 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: my fifty three. But I thought that Bo Braid was 451 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: competing against Kean Martin for a spot, and it turns out, 452 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: you know, Keon got that spot too. So yeah, I 453 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: just think, you know, I hope that Bo like sticks around. 454 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: I think Bo's a good player who can run and hit, 455 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: and hope he sticks around. 456 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, And sometimes you see guys like they make it 457 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 2: and they go to the practice squad and then they 458 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 2: come back and end up making the active roster. 459 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 3: Like it's not this is not the final. Yes, this 460 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 3: is the initial. 461 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: The initial roster. So I think that that's a good point. 462 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: So let's take a quick break and then when we 463 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: come back, we'll share our final thoughts on the fifth 464 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 2: and then also talk about what could happen from here. 465 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: You're listening to the Lounge podcast. We're coming to you 466 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 2: from the Seakeek studio. We want to mention our partners 467 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 2: with Trafficking Sports Book. They are an official sports betting 468 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: partner of the Baltimore Ravens Trafficking Sports Book. The Crown 469 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: is yours. So a couple other notes for me in 470 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 2: terms of guys that these roster moves. Brent Urban is 471 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 2: one who who got released. Now, the Ravens picked him 472 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 2: up in training camp, and Brent has been here and 473 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 2: not here, you know, about a dozen times over the 474 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 2: course of his career. But one thing I feel pretty 475 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 2: confident about is that Brent Urban's gonna end up playing 476 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 2: snaps for this team at some point this season. Like 477 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 2: he could come back as a veteran sign to the 478 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 2: practice squad and get called up activated three times and 479 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 2: then end up on the fifty three manter roster. Like 480 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 2: that's the Ravens have done that with him in the past. 481 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 2: My guess is that that Brent is not even clearing 482 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 2: out the locker like I would not stock be at 483 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 2: all if he is back in the building. 484 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 3: Sin. 485 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I won't be surprised in the slightest if Brent 486 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,239 Speaker 1: Urban is playing in a Ravens uniform and certainly expect that. 487 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: Let me point to another position room that I thought 488 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: was interesting, and we talked about him being on the bubble, 489 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: But that's Raushine Ali the Ravens. I think a lot 490 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: of the offseason we were saying, three running backs, Man, 491 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: how do you you know? You got Derrick Henry, Justice 492 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: Hill and Keith Mitchell. Looks awesome. How do you get 493 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: these three guys the ball? It's going to be you know, 494 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: there's no need for a fourth running back when you 495 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: have those three guys. 496 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 3: Well, lo and behold. 497 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: The room was just too good to cut anybody. Yeah, 498 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: and so Rashine Ali makes the fifty three, which isn't 499 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: It's not like a huge surprise. The Ravens have often 500 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: carried four running backs. 501 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: Less of a surprise, and Harbor was based like, guys, 502 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 2: he's on the team. 503 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 504 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 3: He made it clear there at the end exactly you 505 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 3: asked me about him. 506 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 2: He's on the team. 507 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think beyond you know, A, I think 508 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: that he played well in the preseason games and like 509 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: flashed and any flashed in practice too, And I just 510 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: think he's like as sending player, he's getting better and better. 511 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 1: And B I think that special teams wise, like this 512 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: is a special teams spot in some ways. 513 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 3: You know, he could be one of. 514 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 1: The Ravens' top two kick returners, he and Keaton Mitchell. 515 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: And while we all think that Keaton can be an 516 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: awesome kick returner, and he joined the Lounge to talk 517 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: about that how he's really excited about that role. He 518 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: also told us on this very podcast that he hadn't 519 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: done it at all in college, so he's like kind 520 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: of new with the position. Rashin a Lee was the 521 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: most productive returner in the preseason. You know, he broke 522 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: one against the Colts in the preseason opener, So like, yeah, 523 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: cause he's very much in that picture. 524 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 3: He could be the guy. 525 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: You know, Keaton kind of struggled with his injury after 526 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: that first preseason game, so like keeping another extra body 527 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 1: in there for special teams and for offense reasons is 528 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: probably a good thing, and John Harwell said that rashina 529 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 1: a Lee plays multiple special teams spots. 530 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 3: It's not just as a returner. 531 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: He's on coverage units and all that stuff too, So 532 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: I think that he earned a spot for being multi dimensional. 533 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 2: Agree with all that. I think credit to him for 534 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 2: earning his earn his spot on this team. A couple 535 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 2: of notes from an injury standpoint one that I think 536 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 2: is significant. Ye, it's not a transaction, but the fact 537 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 2: that it's not a transaction is big. Isaiah likely there 538 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 2: a speculation could he go on injured reserve designated to return, 539 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 2: which would knock him out the first four games. He 540 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 2: did not, he's just on the active roster. Will he 541 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: be ready for week one? We'll see that. You know, 542 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 2: we'll get a sense of that next week if he's 543 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: back at practice. But what this says is that the 544 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: Ravens he's available to play in any of the first 545 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 2: four games, and so they didn't They didn't want to 546 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 2: make a move that would just sideline him for those 547 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 2: first four. So that's a good sign I think in 548 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 2: his development and recovery. 549 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: Yep, Yeah, definitely he's going to be back sooner than later. So, 550 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: you know, John Harball has kind of said that the 551 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: timeline hasn't changed from the initial reports that Isaiah likely 552 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: is in play a possibility for week one, but we 553 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: know that the Ravens expect him to be back before 554 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: week five, right, And when you have the Bills, Browns, Lions, 555 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: and Chiefs as the first four teams you're gonna face. 556 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 2: Want to back as soon as I want him back there, Like, yeah, 557 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 2: I'm glad that they expect them to be back for 558 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: at least one of those games. Yeah, And also like, 559 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 2: not only did they not put him on IR, they 560 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 2: also didn't like go heavy there and keep an extra 561 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 2: person there, Like they could have kept an extra tight 562 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 2: end there if they felt like, we'll see you know, Yeah, 563 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, they have obviously they have Mark Andrew 564 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 2: Charlie Koler, and then Patrick Carr is kind of a 565 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 2: tight end. He's hybrid full back tight end. 566 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: And they could they could elevate game toy, elevate somebody 567 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: from the practice squad if they felt like they needed 568 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: another tight end. 569 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 2: But that I think that's good. And then the other 570 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 2: two notes on injuries. Emery Jones, he has not been 571 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: on the field yet, dealing with the shoulder injury going 572 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 2: that dates back to college. He starts the season on NFI. 573 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 2: I mean, he's going to be out for the first 574 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 2: four games, and then when he does come back, obviously 575 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 2: he's gonna have a ramp up period to get back 576 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 2: on the field. He hasn't even taken a snap in 577 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 2: practice yet. The other one is the Desa Isaac who 578 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: went down with an injury in the preseason game Dallas game, 579 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 2: elbow injury, and so he goes on injury reserve with 580 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 2: the designation to return. So he also is out for 581 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 2: the first four games. 582 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and John Harwall said it's probably gonna be 583 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 1: mid season, you know, at least until he's ready to 584 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: come back. That was a pretty pretty serious injury. And 585 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: so you know he's he's part of the maybe down 586 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: the stretch plans, but for now, you know, David Ajabo 587 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: is a player that a lot of people talked about 588 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: on the bubble their surprise, you know, he made the team, 589 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: and so yeah, I think that those guys, you know, 590 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: it's tough to see Emery Jones, he kept nine offensive lineman, Like, 591 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: how much of an impact can he make his rookie 592 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: when he hasn't practiced yet. We'll see, but those guys 593 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: couldn't make an impact down the stretch. 594 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 2: The one other thing I should mention too are Darius Washington. Obviously, 595 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 2: he's not been on the field at all because he's 596 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 2: dealing with the torn achilles. He's opens on the physically 597 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 2: unable to perform list, still an outside chance and he 598 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 2: comes back late in the season, as the Ravens have said. 599 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 2: But he's technically on the pup list, which is where 600 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 2: he was to open up training camp, and so that 601 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 2: keeps the door open still for him to return at 602 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 2: some point, depending on how his recovery goes. 603 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely so. 604 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: As we said, this is the initial fifty three man 605 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: roster injuries. There will be many more transactions to come. 606 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: John Harball did say on Monday that he does not 607 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: anticipate that the Ravens will be basically very aggressive on 608 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: the waiver wire and trying to bring in players that 609 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: other teams cut. But you never know, you know, the 610 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 1: scouting department will turn over every stone and they'll I'm 611 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: sure be watching film and evaluating, looking pouring over the 612 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: transactions lists to see who all gets cut around the league. 613 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: So who knows, you know that this could change tomorrow. 614 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: The Ravens will also set their practice squad, which that 615 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: is also. 616 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 3: Making the team. It's making not making the fifty. 617 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: Three, but like you're still with us, and so a 618 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: lot of guys kind of know that that's what they're 619 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 1: fighting for, and the Ravens will be crossing their fingers 620 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: some of these guys that they cut make it through 621 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: waivers and are resigned to their practice squad. 622 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 2: YEP, totally agree, So I congrats to the guys who 623 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 2: end up making this team. And now it's all eyes 624 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 2: forwards week one and can't wait to get things started 625 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 2: in Buffalo and we're gonna be looking forward to all 626 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 2: that breaking everything down. So as always, we love to 627 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 2: hear from you, so send us those emails at the 628 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. Thank you so 629 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 2: much for listening, and we will be back with you 630 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 2: again soon