WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Thinking About Tomorrow 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.479 Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:12.880 The Bengals Booth Podcast the Don't Stop Thinking about Tomorrow 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:20.079 Don't stop It'll soon be here edition as Dave Lappam 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:23.000 and I are joined by Bengals dot Com editor Jeff 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:26.520 Hobson to peer into the future as we take a 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:29.560 stab at forecasting what the Bengals will do in free 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:34.080 agency and the draft. The Bengals Booth Podcast is presented 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:38.080 by bud Light Seltzer. 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Each block removed is then 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:22.720 placed back on top of the tower, creating a progressively 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:27.720 more unstable structure. The game ends when the tower tumbles 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:30.840 and the winner is the last person to remove and 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:36.120 place a block successfully. It's not rocket science. It's recommended 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:41.480 for ages six and up, but it's good old fashioned fun. However, 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:45.760 I do extend this warning, don't play fourteen year old 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:50.960 Sam Horde for money. The kids a Jenga savant. Now 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:55.240 let's get to football. We are forty days away from 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.800 the start of NFL free agency and eighty three days 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:02.639 away from the NFL Draft. Who should the Bengals sign 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:06.600 and who should they pick? I discussed those topics and 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:10.320 answered your Twitter questions this week with my broadcast partner 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:14.959 Dave Lapham and Bengals dot com editor Jeff Butch Hobson. 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:19.519 Today we are going to play general manager for a day. 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:22.240 I'm sure Mike Brown, Duke Tobin, and Zach Taylor will 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:26.079 appreciate the wisdom that comes from this conversation. Our first 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:31.560 category today is free agency. According to over theecap dot com, 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:35.200 the Bengals rank sixth in cap space. They could create 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:39.000 some more by cutting some veterans like Geno Atkins or 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:44.919 Bobby Hart, etc. Let's start with high priced free agents. 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:49.680 What expensive free agent each of us would sign if 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.200 given the opportunity. Lap I am going to give you 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:58.000 the floor first. I probably spend my big dollars on 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:02.160 Joe Tuny or and Sheriff Uh. You know, one of 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.519 those one of those offensive linemen that could be a 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:08.120 Bell Coyle. You know, everybody talks about how guards, you know, 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:12.639 aren't aren't that important. Well, in today's NFL, they've become 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:14.679 more and more important. You know, they are important in 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:18.519 the run game. And well, everybody talks about pressure in 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:21.840 a quarterback space and the depth of the pocket is 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:24.639 determined by the play of the guards in center up front. 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.440 So I think the guards are taking a bigger and 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:31.320 bigger role. I mean, everybody's talking about Will. Uh, you 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.320 know Will the Kansas City Chiefs Will Will. They're big 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.960 defensive lineman in interior defensive lineman. Get Tom Brady off 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.680 his spot. Well, you know that that's going to be 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:43.200 a key factor in the football game. And how did 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.880 how did Joe Barrow's injury occur and occurred with a 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:48.480 with a guard being bullrushed, you know, in a game 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:52.560 against the Washington football team. So, um, you know, I 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:56.920 just think that those guys are proving guys. Uh, they're 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.920 they're both twenty eight years old. It's not like there, 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.280 you know, they're they're through playing, they're in the prime 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:05.040 of their career. I'm sure it'd be it'll be a 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:07.800 bidding war. It would be big dollar, but it would 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.200 it would knock one of the big needs off. And again, 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:14.760 to me, it starts up front. Um, as great as 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.240 both these football teams are that are playing in the 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.640 Super Bowl, and as great as the two quarterbacks are 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:24.080 everybody's talking about, you know, will Kansas the Chiefs offensive 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.279 line that's so beaten up be able to give Mahomes 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:31.320 enough time to operate well the Tampa Bay Buccaneers offensive 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:34.000 line be able to handle a four man rush, you know, 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:38.440 against against Tom Brady. The five sacks that that the 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.360 Chiefs got in the game that they played were all 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.600 on four man rushes, you know against Tampa Bay. So 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.799 it all comes down to when push comes to shove, 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:51.360 when the rubber meets the road, it's all about do 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:55.120 the guys up front, you know, give give their respective 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:59.120 teams enough time to operate or no opportunity to operate. 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:01.680 On the flip side of it, I mean, it's you know, 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:06.120 which which offense doesn't need adjustments to help the offensive 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:11.400 line and to execute the game plan. And then which defense. Um, 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.520 you know, let's because they want to, not because they 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:17.760 have to. And I think that's them that always determines 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.680 football games, no matter how big or how small, and 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.919 even it's going to determine the Super Bowl. So this 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.680 just in the former guard gives big bucks to a guard. 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.440 Hard to argue with either of those guys, although I 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.760 think Schurf is twenty nine lap, but your point is 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.440 the same. They're both under thirty. You're not getting a 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:44.160 guy on the back nine, so to speak. So two 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:48.320 still in their prime guards, Brandon Schurf and Joe Tuney. 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:50.640 You would spend your bucks on either one of those 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:54.080 two guys, how about you? Butch U, I let's see 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.320 now we get to do later. We can come back 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:59.479 with a mid signing and a lower tier signing, right yeah. 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:03.880 I have planned one expensive guy and one less expensive 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:07.799 guy basically, so you could divvy up your dollars pretty 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:09.840 much anyway you want. But I'm thinking each of us 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.720 is going to pick one of the expensive guys. I'm 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:15.640 gonna stay home and I'm either going to sign Carl 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:20.600 Lawson or Will Jackson. And given that they're depending on 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.640 what list you look at, they're probably the top free 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:27.320 agents at their position. So I tipped my hat to 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.920 Duke Tobin and the scouts, and they were good enough 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:32.960 to be number one on you know, be big on 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:36.760 that list. Let's get one of them back, maybe both, 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:41.599 you know, Lawson, we're talking maybe four years, fifty mill 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.760 or something. Maybe Will a little bit more than that, 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:49.320 but that would be uh. I guess you can't keep 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.039 both of them. I may have to go back and 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:55.320 get a mid tier corner or a rusher. But yeah, 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.520 I think i'd say, and I hear what Lap is saying, 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.719 but I'm and he's he's right, and uh, but I'm 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.560 banking on the We already had the big free agent 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.919 signing there with Frank Pollock. I'm kind of thinking, in 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.800 my own mind for the purposes of this Butch, that 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:15.360 the Bengals could sign one of those guys and then 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:19.160 another expensive guy. I could be wrong on that. I'm 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.400 being a little conservative because I know the cap is, 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.280 the cap is going down, yep. So I know last 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.680 year they spent what they spent two big they spent 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:31.280 on two big guys, right, Wayne's and Reader, so I'd 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.400 have to go for another big guy I got. I 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:35.360 still don't think i'd go for the guard though, I 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.880 think i'd go for I think I think i'd go 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.000 for one. I think i'd go for another corner probably 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:45.240 or maybe the answer for you is signing the two 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:49.080 Bengals as your two high priced guys, Jackson and Lawson. 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:51.880 Probably probably, that's probably gonna be a tough number. That's 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:53.680 probably gonna be a tough number, though, I'd probably And 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.920 and do they want to come back? That's the other Yeah, 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:59.440 that's the other thing too. But uh yeah, I think, 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:03.640 like I said, I'm banking on him. Hopefully Pollock can 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.400 turn some of these guys into Joe Tuney, you know. 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:11.040 And I think back to twenty eighteen boy and Redmond 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.920 wears gads, I think, and they they ran the ball 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:17.880 pretty good one five at the first, you know, for 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.400 the first five whatever happened before it all went to hell, 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:22.720 you know, the offense looked pretty good at that point 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:26.360 when Frank was Frank had the lion. So hopefully some 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.200 of his magic we can save money and not have 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.680 to not have to delve into the into the guard thing. 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.240 If I was going to pay a guard at the lap, 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.360 Lap would be fine with that. Yeah, all right. We 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:43.360 will circle back eventually to Jackson and Lawson for me 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.040 and Lap, but I will answer this question first before 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:48.680 we move on to another one. You know, I thought 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:52.800 long and hard about the tackles. Trent Williams is out there, 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:54.840 a little bit older than you'd like. He's thirty three, 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:56.760 but he's a great player. A lot of people have 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:00.559 mentioned Taylor Moten of the Carolina Panthers. He's in his prime, 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.800 twenty seven years old. He's going to be an expensive 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.920 free agent, no question about it. But I'm with you, Lap, 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:11.679 I'm thinking sign a guard draft to tackle. It sounds 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:13.960 like there are a lot of good tackles in this draft. 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.880 Obviously at the top you've got Pinney Sewell, maybe he 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:21.199 will be there at five. But I like the notion 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.880 of signing Schurf in particular. I think of those two guys, 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:28.760 Tuney or Schurf. People seem to have kind of pinpointed 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.840 Tuney because he's from the Cincinnati area. He's from Dayton. 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.720 Maybe somehow that you know, that'll make him want to 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.360 play here. But when it comes to a high priced 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.520 free agent, it's always going to come down to dollars 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:43.480 and cents. I would rather spend that kind of money 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.679 on Schurf because I think over the course of his 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:52.480 career he's been a great player, whereas Tuney has been really, 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:56.680 really good. But I think Schurf is great. If I'm 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.280 gonna PLoP down that kind of money, I want Shurf. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.920 You know. The thing that solidified the sure thing with 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.560 me is he played hurt this year and he was 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:07.480 he was hurt pretty bad. He was dragging a leg 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.199 around and he'd never missed a snap. I mean, he's 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:12.280 one of those guys, rub some dirt on it, get 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:15.800 back out there. You know, a guy like him just 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:18.839 sets the whole the whole tone, you know. I mean, 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:22.120 you have a guy that's the bell cow. He sets 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:25.080 the attitude, you know, the whole nine yards, he lists 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.960 the whole boat kind of thing. So, I you know, 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:31.000 I think those are the kind of guys potentially that 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.320 could make a difference. And I agree with Butch. I 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.520 think Pollock is going to make a huge difference. And 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.400 I'm not sure if you know, if I'm Frank Pollock, 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.199 I kind of I kind of look at the at 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:46.240 the at the tape of the current players and to me, 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.880 Jonah his best position may be center. I'm going to 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.760 throw that out there. Jonah Williams may be the best 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.520 center they have potentially. I mean, I would play musical 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:59.360 chairs if need be. If I'm evaluating the talent that 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:03.199 the Bengals of upfront now and you know the now 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:06.079 my center has got an ACL and how much, how 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:09.520 quickly he'd be able to return, and how effective tried 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:11.280 to go a plan B. I may I may think 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.840 about even moving Jonah if I depending on what I 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:17.520 get in the draft at the tackle position potentially, and 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:19.599 or move other guys out to tackle. I mean, I 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.600 think I don't think anything's a given right now. If 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.240 I'm Frank Pollock, man, I'm looking at everything and anything, 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:27.960 and I'm going to try to get the five best 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:32.080 guys out on the football field, irrespective a position, you know, 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.760 and then figure out the position you know after the fact. 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.720 But my five best players are going to be on 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:43.040 that damn football field. So Jonah Williams at center. Eight 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.600 people listening to this podcast in their car just drove 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:50.840 off the road without even being mentioned. Let's move on 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:55.520 to a more bargain type free agent, somebody who would 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:57.640 be in the mid range or even at the lower 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.480 part of the free agency scale. Butch, I'll I'll let 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:04.120 you bad leadoff on this one mid tier guy, maybe 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:10.600 a defensive tackle, Shelby Harris from Denver, young guy, you know, 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:12.640 hopefully one of these guys. You know, they love to 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:16.840 get ascending guys, guys on a second contract. Twenty six, 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:20.600 twenty seven years old. Harris fits that just looking at 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.680 the Pro Football Focus stuff. He's been the last couple 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:25.920 of years. He's been one of the top pass rushers 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.280 out of that out of the three technique, and he's 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:32.720 he's also been very good against the run. He hasn't 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:34.960 played He's played only like five hundred snaps I guess 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:38.679 the last couple of years. But they need help. This 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:42.480 gets back to why I wouldn't probably go for the guard. 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:44.559 I would spend as much money as I can on 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.760 defense because and this is bad, because the last thing 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.640 I'm thinking about is the Baltimore game, and I probably 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.920 shouldn't do that. But you know, I walk around in 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:57.319 a catatonic state and I just can only think defense. 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:58.920 But of course they were banged up, you know. I 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.880 mean obviously that was not the you know, that was 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.240 not what they what they wanted to send out there. 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:07.040 But still, but I think Shelby Harris might be a 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:10.680 nice little kind of economic pickup and maybe just a 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:14.000 little bit A guy who began his career here would 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:17.800 love to see him back. Cornerback. Troy Hill's been a 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:21.160 good Ram yep, nice for you with the Rams. I 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.160 think he'd probably be a pretty good number two or 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:26.560 number three corner particularly. Uh, you don't know what they're 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.839 gonna do with McKenzie Alexander. I don't think he'll be back. Um, 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.640 he'll can play in the slot and you can play 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:35.959 the outside too, all right, Lap, do you have a 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:39.520 bargain free agent in mind? To me? I think, uh, 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.880 I think look what Butch is talking about is is 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:46.400 another need In my mind, I think offensive lines their 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:50.240 primary need. And I think edge an edge rush guy, 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.560 a special edge rusher that everyone fears, you know that 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:57.160 can be developed into something like that. You know you're 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.280 not going to be able to. I think it's gonna 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:01.760 be tough to to go out and get in the 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.839 in the mix with with some guys that are out there. 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:08.200 I mean guys like Leonard Floyd from the Rams is 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:12.719 out there justin Houston. He's out there. Alden Smith has 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.120 got so much baggage. But watching him, man, he still 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.960 throws people around thirty one years old, but with the 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:21.480 addiction issues and things like that. Judeon Dupree, I mean, 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.080 it's it's gonna take money to sign these guys, you know, 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:27.640 any one of those guys who'd love to get um, 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:29.800 you know some of them. You'd make somebody in the 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:33.480 division less effective by signing one of their guys potentially, 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.480 and that always has some great, you know, value to it. 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.440 But I'm thinking a guy maybe, like, you know, the 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:41.800 next level guy that might not be as expensive but 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.480 was a first round pick coming in that maybe you 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.760 could develop a little bit, is Tack McKinley, you know 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:50.600 from the Las Vegas Raiders. He's out there. You know, 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.080 he's only twenty five years old, you know, and you know, 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.600 coming out of UCLA, he was a first round pick 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:00.440 yet a big potential. Maybe maybe, uh, maybe they can 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:02.400 develop him a little bit. Maybe he can be a 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:05.440 guy you know coming off the edge that it wouldn't 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:09.600 wouldn't cost huge dollars to go get in terms of 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:11.680 others that are on that list that I just talked 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.480 about that are are going to be very expensive obviously, 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.680 and that's why I'm not sure. I'm not sure if 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.400 you know, the money to pay the guard would be 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:22.560 as much as it would be to pay an edge 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.880 rush guy obviously, or even the next level level edge 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:28.520 rush guy. I don't know what the what those economies 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:32.080 are going to be, um, but maybe maybe a guy 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.560 like that, you know, it might fit. But the corner, 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:38.000 the corner idea is a good one too, Um. You know, 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.720 Hilton's out there from the Pittsburgh Steelers. I'm not sure 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:46.360 Hilton would be you know, super expensive. His style, he's 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:48.800 a he's a great blitzer. You know, that's a big 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:51.560 thing that Pittsburgh utilizes him. And again, it has to 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.640 be the right fit for the scheme you run as 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.040 opposed to what Pittsburgh's asking him to do. You have 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:58.560 to consider all that, take all that into account and 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:03.000 evaluate all that. But man, through the draft and free agency, 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.280 if I can find or try to help my edge 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:09.040 rush you know, like Lsson, like buch was talking about earlier, 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:13.360 you know, Lawson or Jackson. If it comes down to 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:17.640 one of those two. I'm going Lawson. Yeah, I can't. 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:20.640 He's the only modicum edge rushdown they had. In my mind, 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.880 you can't lose that guy. Sign him. And if you 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:27.960 can find something else, you know in free agency that's 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:31.400 not all that expensive, and as well as the draft, 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:36.480 offensive line edge rush two massive needs in my mind, 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.680 and then corner and other things come in later. Tach 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.920 McKinley was here for about five minutes before flunking the physical. 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.320 But he'll be healthy in terms in time for next year, 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:50.200 so theoretically that could be possible. I was going to 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:54.480 save Jackson or Lawson if you could only sign one 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:57.160 of them for the next topic. But let's delve into 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.040 that and then I'll cut circle back and give my 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:03.120 a bargain basement free agent. So Lap says, if you 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:08.040 could only sign one Lawson or Jackson, his guy is Lawson, 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:12.320 my guy would also be Lawson. I just think that 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.960 he's ascending. The need is greater. I mean, they were 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:19.640 the the last place sack team in the NFL, so 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:21.960 I'd love to have them both back. If I've got 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.199 to choose one or the other, I'm going Carl, how 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.840 about you? Butch Yeah, no, I agree with Lap. He's 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.960 exactly right. Uh, you got to keep lossing and maybe 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.479 maybe skimm a guy I McKinley, maybe even I don't know. Wha. 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.840 What do you think about bud Dupree. Bud Dupre's out there? 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:39.280 Does he fit? Oh? I mean yeah, I mentioned you know, 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.000 bud Dupree, Judeon. I think those guys are not going 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.840 to be a bargain basement. I think they're gonna get money. Yeah, 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:47.359 I think those guys are going to command some dollars. 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.720 You know, I mean Leonard Floyd, I said, Leonard Floyd, 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:54.200 Judon Dupre. And in a corner, you know, I mean 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.679 in a corner, count Trey Wayne's there's your there's your 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:58.960 free agent corner. But if you get if you count 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.560 him as your corner, you lose Will Jackson. You're even, 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.960 and then you lose McKenzie. Alexander You're down too. All 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.440 of a sudden, you know you have to have three 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:12.160 and you better have four. And now you're only talking one. Now, Well, 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:13.720 it's easier to get the bubble, Like you said, it's 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.760 easy to get the corner and the edge. Guy, I 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:18.919 think so. And if i'm if, i'm if I'm going 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:22.200 to have a special five, a special edge rusher that 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:25.360 everybody has to count for and and fears a little bit. 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:27.760 And it's you don't. You don't need as great a 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.159 cover guy. I mean, you know, it's easier to easier 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:31.640 to take care of the back end of the front 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:33.760 end is to getting taken care of on a more 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.320 regular basis and getting the quarterback off the spot and 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.919 all those things. You know, that's the fact. Like you 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:42.720 guys said, Carl loss is twenty five years old. I mean, no, 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:45.520 he's he's in. He hasn't even started his prim yet. 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:47.960 He's definitely a sending. The thing about him, I wish 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.600 he had a little more length. That's the only negative 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.600 I have on him. He's explosive, he has an unbelievable 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:57.520 first step get off. You know, he's he's powerful, just 0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:59.480 not you know, if he had if he had Sam 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.879 Hubber's length, uh, you know, you'd have something you're really 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:05.800 really unique, but that he doesn't have that. If I'm 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:08.840 doing pluses and minuses, that's the only minus, and the 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:11.879 Carl Lawson evaluation would be lack of length. Do we 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:15.360 assume that Geno will be cut? Do you think that 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.639 that's likely butch, I don't know, I have a high 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.480 feel for that. I don't know. I just uh just 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:24.920 it's just weird. It just it was a weird year 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:28.800 with him. You know, he one back. Would it have 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:32.360 to be negotiated down from nine million whatever he's due 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.240 to make? Yeah, Like I said, that's I think that's 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.560 yet the play out. I The other weird thing too, 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:41.399 is they're not going to know what the camp is 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:45.920 until apparently the day free agency starts, So I would 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:47.520 think that would be a factor. That would be a 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:49.680 factor too. But I would be hired for me to 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.560 think they're gonna have him at the same number. Yeah, 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:54.399 I mean I would, I would think there'd be a 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:58.720 haircut there, you know it. Uh it was, it was. 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.240 It was weird as a good way. Strange is a 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.600 good way to describe it. I mean it was. It 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:07.000 was a different, different year for gino Um to get 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:08.679 hurt the way he got hurt and warm it up 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:11.320 for a scrimmage, you know. You know, but I tipped 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:12.760 my hand to the guy because I think he could 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:14.639 have I think he could have had surgery. But he 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:16.600 tried to. I think he tried to. I think he 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:18.760 tried to grind it out, you know. And well, I 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:20.840 think I think they you tried to do what he had. 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:23.560 You try to avoid surgery if you can. Yeah, but 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:25.520 he could have had surgery, but you want to try 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:27.800 to avoid, you always, and you don't want to go 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:30.879 into a knife unless you really have to. And he 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:33.560 didn't want to and wanted to try to rehab it, 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.320 and they were they were good with that. Um and 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:39.560 he and and and so doing wearing that big harness 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:42.560 and stuff. He was so restricted, you know, he was 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:44.760 less than a one armed paper hanger out there. I mean, 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:46.600 it's hard to play it. It's hard to play in 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:48.879 the pits with one one arm, and everybody else has 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:51.720 got two good ones. I don't care how talent you are, man, 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:55.280 that's that's almost impossible. So I mean, if he's healthy, 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:59.200 that's something I guess consider. You know, Hey, if he's 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:01.639 healthy and he's willing to come back at you know, 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.000 a third of the price he's due to make nine 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:06.440 point five mill next year, If he would come back 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:10.080 for three million something like that, I don't know that 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:14.119 you're going to find a free agent pass rusher on 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:17.080 the interior that's going to be much better than him. 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:20.399 Assuming that he's close to healthy, even though you know 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:22.479 he's going to be old and toward the tail end 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:24.840 of his career. So if he would come back at 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:27.720 a much lower price, I'd have no problem with that, 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:31.280 you know. And watching him in training camp before the injury, 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:33.600 I thought he was poised to have a good year. 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:35.879 I mean he was. He was back to making a 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:38.000 lot of noise and pass rush Field. Nobody wanted to 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:40.520 go against Gino one on one. He was he was 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:43.639