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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast the Don't Stop Thinking about Tomorrow

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Speaker 1: Don't stop It'll soon be here edition as Dave Lappam

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Speaker 1: and I are joined by Bengals dot Com editor Jeff

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Speaker 1: Hobson to peer into the future as we take a

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Speaker 1: It's the greatest thing since Jenga. Like many families, we've

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Speaker 1: played several board games in our house. During the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: There's been Monopoly and Masterpiece, but most recently the pick

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Speaker 1: has been Jenga. If you're not familiar with it, players

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Speaker 1: take turns removing a wooden block from a tower constructed

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Speaker 1: place a block successfully. It's not rocket science. It's recommended

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Speaker 1: for ages six and up, but it's good old fashioned fun. However,

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Speaker 1: Sam Horde for money. The kids a Jenga savant. Now

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Speaker 1: let's get to football. We are forty days away from

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Speaker 1: the start of NFL free agency and eighty three days

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Speaker 1: away from the NFL Draft. Who should the Bengals sign

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Speaker 1: and who should they pick? I discussed those topics and

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Speaker 1: answered your Twitter questions this week with my broadcast partner

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Speaker 1: Dave Lapham and Bengals dot com editor Jeff Butch Hobson.

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Speaker 1: Today we are going to play general manager for a day.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure Mike Brown, Duke Tobin, and Zach Taylor will

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Speaker 1: appreciate the wisdom that comes from this conversation. Our first

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Speaker 1: category today is free agency. According to over theecap dot com,

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Speaker 1: the Bengals rank sixth in cap space. They could create

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Speaker 1: some more by cutting some veterans like Geno Atkins or

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Speaker 1: Bobby Hart, etc. Let's start with high priced free agents.

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Speaker 1: What expensive free agent each of us would sign if

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Speaker 1: given the opportunity. Lap I am going to give you

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Speaker 1: aren't aren't that important. Well, in today's NFL, they've become

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Speaker 1: more and more important. You know, they are important in

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Speaker 1: So I think the guards are taking a bigger and

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Speaker 1: know Gino wants to avoid. Right. The other thing about

425
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Speaker 1: Gino two, if the Bengals don't bring him back at

426
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: nine point five million, which seems unlikely to me, no

427
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: other team is going to give him a huge amount

428
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: at his age, coming off his injury, with his level

429
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: of play the last couple of years, It's not like

430
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: he's going to get nine point five from another team. Yeah.

431
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: That's my whole thing is when you guys in Genos

432
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 1: situation and they're you know, everybody gets to that stage

433
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,959
Speaker 1: of their career, even with free agency. You know, teams

434
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: that make a habit of compensating somebody for a decade

435
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: of excellence with another team. It doesn't It doesn't work

436
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: out well economically, you don't. You don't get the bang

437
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: for the buck. You know, whoever signs Gino, it'd be

438
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: ludicrous for them, foolhardy for them to pay Gino for

439
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: the great player he was for multiple Pro Bowls with

440
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals, because he's not quite that guy anymore,

441
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: you know, And you can and you have to proceed accordingly.

442
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't think there's gonna be huge dollars

443
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: out there for Gino. I really don't. I don't think

444
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: the league will go there. All right, Are you guys

445
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: ready for my bargain free agent? Yes? All right. So

446
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: I've already spent huge money on Brandon Schurf with the

447
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: few dollars I have left, because I've also resigned Carl Lawson.

448
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 1: I've done very well so far in free agency with

449
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: a few from the same page. Man, there you go,

450
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 1: we spend so much time together that was inevitable. Lap.

451
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 1: With a few dollars that I have left, I'm going

452
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: to go out and get a slot corner because Mackenzie

453
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 1: Alexander is a free agent. I'm just going to assume

454
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: that he does not go back. So I've been looking

455
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: over the list of bargain type slot corners that are

456
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 1: free agents. I've got two in mind. Brian Pool from

457
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 1: the Jets, twenty eight years old, had good Pro Football

458
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: Focus numbers last year. He's a little smaller than you'd like,

459
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: he's five nine, but he's performed well in the NFL.

460
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 1: So he would be one candidate. If for some reason

461
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: I can't get him, then I move on to Kwan

462
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: Williams of the forty nine ers twenty nine years old,

463
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: another guy who's performed reasonably well as a slot corner

464
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: in the n FELL. I signed one of those two

465
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: guys for a two or three years, and I've got

466
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: that position taken care of. I got I got one

467
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: for you two and that mole maybe Jason Varett. Yeah,

468
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: I think he has a slot corner. He's battled injuries

469
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 1: throughout his NFL career, but he stayed healthy this year

470
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: and had a very good year. Now I don't know

471
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: where you'd classify Hilton, but he's out there as well.

472
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: I worry with him. The lap is that he is.

473
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,719
Speaker 1: He's such a blitzer, Yeah, he is. Except for Jamal

474
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: Adams of Seattle, there's no defensive back who blitz is

475
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: better than Hilton. But I just don't know if the Bengals,

476
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: you know, scheme would get that out of him the

477
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: way that the Steelers do with all of their blitzing. Yeah,

478
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: I agree. I think I think you have to be

479
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: able to extrapolate the player from the schematic and say, okay,

480
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 1: raw physical abilities other than scheme influence. Is he still

481
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: a guy? Yeah, he's not a great tackler, right. I

482
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: guess that's the other knock on him. But I thought

483
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: the one thing mckens Alexander did he can he can't tackle,

484
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: He will do that. It was an upset when you

485
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: didn't get people on the ground. You're right, and I

486
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: would have no problem bringing him back. I don't know

487
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: where that possibility stands, but they're gonna have to have

488
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: a slot corner. So whether it's bringing him back or

489
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: signing one of these other guys, that's obviously a position

490
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: that they have to get taken care of. Yeah, the

491
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: one the one thing we do know is Leshaun Simms,

492
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: Tony Brown, Jalen Davis got gotta get gonna upgrade from there.

493
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: Lap Is Phillips is Darius Phillips a slot or an

494
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: outside guy. In my opinion, He's more of an outside guy,

495
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: but I think he can do either. He's got great

496
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: ball skills. And that's the thing. I think when you

497
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: have the ball skills that he does, it translates you know,

498
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: just about anything. Really. Again, again, I think a slot corner,

499
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: by the nature of the position, tackling is a big deal.

500
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: You know, that's a big and I'm not sure that's

501
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: his forte Yeah, he just he gets nicked too. I

502
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: think that surprise the durability of all. Right, let's move

503
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: on to the draft. The Bengals obviously have the fifth

504
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: overall pick. Lap Who are you selecting or what are

505
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: you doing at the top of the draft? Well, you know,

506
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: I do think that if if If Sewel is there

507
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: at number five, he just looks to be even though

508
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: you know he opted out this year, but six five,

509
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: three hundred thirty pounds five flat forty athletic guy can

510
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: move a real good balance. I just I just think

511
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: a guy like that is potentially one of those generational

512
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: type players. Um, he has that possibility I would probably

513
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: go with the offensive line. Uh and if particularly if

514
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: he were there, if he were not there, I might,

515
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, I might, I might think otherwise, Um, I

516
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: might even I might even decide to trade back, depending

517
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 1: on how far back I had to go, and if

518
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: I still had an offensive lineman or or somebody one

519
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: of these edge rush guys that you know that that

520
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 1: could could make a factor if I could, if I

521
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: could trade back and and and get Quitty pay the

522
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: rush guy from Michigan, if I could trade back and

523
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: get him and pick up an extra you know, um,

524
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: an extra choice, and so doing I might I might

525
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: go that route if he were still you know, if

526
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: the problem is that you go back, how is there

527
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: an offensive line you'd still be happy with? If there's not,

528
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: is there an edge guy you'd still be happy with,

529
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: or a corner or you know what your needs are.

530
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: But if I were had to stay at five and

531
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: and Seel was there, I probably would go with with Seel.

532
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: Where do you think butch I guess Seoul would be

533
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: the guy. But you know, the last time it took

534
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: a tackle out of Oregon, I know it's different, but

535
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: didn't work out real well. And I'm not. I mean

536
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: Jake Fisher, the body type on those two, yeah, are

537
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: so different. You know, one one probably and did end

538
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: up playing tight end in the league, you know, and

539
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: he was he was kind of like a blown up

540
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: to his side. This guy is just a big old

541
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: rob boned monster. I mean, you know he's not. It's

542
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: I think they're so different in terms of, um, you know,

543
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: the physicality aspect their actual physical structure. You know. Okay,

544
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: now how do they play? Now? I know guys like

545
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: oh boyhee when they came in here that they're coming

546
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: out of a seven on seven league. You think he

547
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: can make that adjustment on You think he can make

548
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: that adjustment. It's not. It's not. It's not chuck and

549
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: duck up there, right. Yeah. I mean, I think I

550
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: think that college football, I think I think pass protection

551
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: is is one of the biggest issues adjusting to the

552
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: National Football League, you know a lot of times. And

553
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: then guy, every everybody that's in the spread offenses and

554
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: the two point stances, they're not pass protecting and they're

555
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: not run blocking. That's what makes me nervous. That's just

556
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: that's just what makes me nervous these guys. But I

557
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: just I just looked at the h the power aspect

558
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: of this guy. You're talking about Frank Pollock turning clay

559
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: into statues, you know, potentially. I mean, I think this

560
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: guy has a good chance to under Frank Pollock's guidance

561
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: to you know, to be taught how to play the

562
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: game at a real high level in the NFL. I

563
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: really do well, he sold me. Okay, I'll go as Soul,

564
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't mind trading back. I kind and I

565
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: kind of ran through a scenario like this in one

566
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: of my column to quar trade back and maybe and

567
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: they should have taken a Sante Samuel in two thousand

568
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: and uh three, whenever Samuel came out. Now they can

569
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: get his son maybe if they trade back, so they

570
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: can rectify that wrong. If I'm not mistaken, they took

571
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: Dennis Weatherby instead of a Sante Samuel. So let's let's

572
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: get it right and then and uh and then we'll

573
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: do it, you know, if you trade back. Um, and

574
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: that's if you think, you know, if Frank likes those

575
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: young tackles, maybe you trade back and you get a Samuel,

576
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: get the maybe the edge guy from pitt um Weaver. Yeah, maybe, maybe,

577
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: maybe somehow pick off the guard from Alabama. Uh, you

578
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: know that at the top of the second round with

579
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: the extra pick, No Jamar Chase. I think your guy

580
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,239
Speaker 1: Samini's gonna take I think I think Samini's guys are

581
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: gonna take this. So Rich Samini is the beat reporter

582
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: who covers the New York Jets. You talk to him

583
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: for a mock draft earlier today, and he is taking

584
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase with the second pick, and the Jets are

585
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: sticking with Sam Darnold, according to ESPN's Rich Samini. Right,

586
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: that's right now as of that moment. Let's let's wait

587
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, we'll call him back. I've heard people say

588
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: that the Jets's gonna take Seul and have two stud tackles. Yeah,

589
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: he's to develop their quarterback. No matter who he's throwing

590
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: it two is, they'll be on his feet. What if

591
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: you get to five and there's no Chase and there's

592
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: no Suel, Well, let's let's say you get to five

593
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: and there's no Suel. Let's start with that. So Penei

594
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: Sewel goes somewhere in the top four. Now you're picking

595
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: five and he's gone. At that point, Jamar Chase DeVante

596
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: Smith or Rashawn Slater, who most people seem to think

597
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: as the next best tackle in the draft. What do

598
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: you think under that scenario. I think you can trade

599
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: back and get Slater. I don't think so. I'm not sure.

600
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'm sold on Slater as necessarily a

601
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: top five guy. That might be a little bit of

602
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: a reach, you know for me, I gotta watch more,

603
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: But I mean for me to take him five when

604
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: guys like you're talking about, if Chase and people like

605
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: that are on the board, even though my need, you know,

606
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: is offensive line in my mind, and I and people

607
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: are gonna be, oh, what the hell are you taking

608
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: a receiver at five? Four? Now you've got a quarterback

609
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: who they made beautiful music together with, you know, an LSU.

610
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: The numbers were crazy, you know, he opted out this

611
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: year obviously, but his number the numbers the year before

612
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: and nuts, yeah, or or you know, is there a

613
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: is there a rush guy? I'm not sure a rush guy,

614
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,719
Speaker 1: you know, is worthy of the number five. So at

615
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: that point I probably do try to trade back and

616
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: maybe people that have a different need than I do.

617
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: If I feel like Chase isn't my guy. You know

618
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: there are a bunch of people that jump up and

619
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: probably take them. So yeah, that would be an interesting,

620
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: uh interesting dilemma there. I guess Chase does make me

621
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: think about Chris Henry, Chad Johnson, and t J. Houshmnzata

622
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,719
Speaker 1: with T Higgins, Tyler Boyd and Jamat Chase, that does

623
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: get me a little bit nostalgic. But I do think this.

624
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: If the Bengals were to take Jamar Chase or DeVante

625
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: Smith with the fifth pick in the draft, you are

626
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: assuming that they have signed are mere free agent offensive

627
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: lineman and probably a tackle you could consider a wide

628
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: receiver at number five. Don't you think they have to

629
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: have the tackles solved before they can go wide receiver

630
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: at number five? I agree with you. I think that

631
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: is the case, and I would not as a former

632
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: linement I would not be mad if they did get

633
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: Surf and they drafted school. You know that that would

634
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: not That would not destroy me either, you know that.

635
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: I feel like, man, I've got my offensive line set

636
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: up for a run for a good long period of

637
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: time with a coach that I believe in. Feel pretty

638
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: damn good about that. Now. Now I got to find

639
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: my edge rush guy that people are going to have to, uh,

640
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: you know, really fear and consider and and everything else

641
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: that goes along with it. But I mean, yeah, if

642
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: you could, if you could address the Bengals tried to

643
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: address that tackle position with back to back piss picks

644
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: first and second round that year, and they went over,

645
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: if you can sign suff and free agent see and

646
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: draft Seul, Yeah, and that'd be a you know, they

647
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: double down on a you know, try to if you're

648
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: going to address a position, totally address it. They tried,

649
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: didn't get it done in the draft. If they get

650
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: one in free agency, then get one as a high pick,

651
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: top five pick in the draft. You'd hope that they

652
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: might have that bad boy sault for a while. If

653
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: Sewel is there, I'm taking Sewel. I have never wavered

654
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: on that. I'm not gonna waver on it now. I

655
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: don't care who they signed before him. To me, he's

656
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: a chance to be your next Anthony Munio's you know,

657
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: who knows he could flop, a lot of the guys do.

658
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: But just on paper, everything we've read, everybody we've talked to,

659
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: people seem to think that he is a virtual shoe

660
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: in to be a great ten year offensive tackle in

661
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: the NFL. If Sewel is there, I'm taking Sewel, But

662
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to be there. I don't

663
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be there either. And you know, when

664
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: you talk about Anthony Munos, let's think back to that selection.

665
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: Half the teams in the league didn't even have on

666
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: their board Bill Parcels wanted to drafting and couldn't. The

667
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: Giants wouldn't let him do it. So, you know, boy,

668
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: you talked about a risky pick. But Forest brag when

669
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 1: he came back from California after Anthony Munos had deposited

670
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 1: him on his rear end, when Forrest Graig was rushing

671
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: him in a drill and he said, we got to

672
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: take this guy. He felt the force in the size

673
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: of those big, old powerful hands on his chest, and

674
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: Anthony delivered and the punch and all that. I mean, yeah,

675
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously those huge questions about the durability of

676
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: Anthony munhos Man have worked out sewell. I think when

677
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: you have when you have physical freaks, got to roll

678
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: the dice on it. Man. So four teams pick ahead

679
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati, Jacksonville the Jets, Miami, and Atlanta. We know

680
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: Jacksonville is going to take Trevor Lawrence. Of those other

681
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: three Jets, Dolphins, Falcons, I don't know if one of

682
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,959
Speaker 1: those teams will take Sewell or if somebody else will

683
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 1: trade up to get Sewell. I just don't think he's

684
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: going to be there at number five. So here's what

685
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: I do. And I haven't wavered on this either lap

686
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: We've talked about this several times on previous podcasts. I

687
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 1: am trading down, and I will tell you the team

688
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm trading with and what I'm getting in exchange. This

689
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: other team will be happy to know that they're about

690
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 1: to make a trade for the fifth pick in the draft.

691
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: But I am trading down to number twelve with the

692
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine Ers. I'm looking at the old

693
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson trade chart. The fifth pick in the draft

694
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: is worth seventeen hundred points on the chart. The forty

695
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: nine Ers pick twelfth overall is worth twelve hundred points

696
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: on the chart. That's a five hundred point difference. The

697
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers second round pick forty third overall is

698
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: worth four seventy So that just about evens out the

699
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: trade chart. Plus they've got two fifth round picks. So

700
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 1: the Bengals get their second fifth round pick, which evens

701
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: the trade chart. So I'm dropping down seven spots. I'm

702
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: getting a fairly high second round pick, top half of

703
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: the second round. I'm getting an end of the fifth

704
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: round pick, and that's my deal. And then with the

705
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: twelfth pick in the draft, I'm taking the best tackle

706
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 1: that's left. Because it sounds like Sewel is, at least

707
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: according to most people, far and away the best I know.

708
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: Some people have started to say that Slater might be

709
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: just as good, or maybe even better. I'm not buying it.

710
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: Sewel is the guy. But then that next wave, I

711
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: think there are several guys that are thought to be

712
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: legitimate top of the first round or middle of the

713
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: first round type guys. I'm okay with that if I

714
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: get a high second round pick. In addition, let me

715
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: ask you this, let me riddle with you this, Batman. Yeah,

716
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: if Suel's gone yep, and the forty nine ers say okay,

717
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 1: we'll make the trade, and then they don't and you're

718
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: stuck with the fifth pick, you know, at that point,

719
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: I'm okay with one of those wide receivers. I mean,

720
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: I'd love to have Jamar Chase or Davante Smith. Who

721
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't I'm certainly not going to be unhappy, but I'm

722
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: just if Sewell is there, I want Sewel. Other than that,

723
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: you know, the Bengals have enough enough needs that if

724
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: I could drop down to no lower than twelve and

725
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: get a decent second round pick as well, I'm making

726
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,479
Speaker 1: the move. That was my trade I did. I took

727
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: Patrick certain at twelve, shared Weaver with the thirty eighth pick,

728
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: and then it's okay, you guys, everybody you're talking about Sewell,

729
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: Slater certain letters is big in this draft. Man trading

730
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: back and getting somebody whose last name starts with letters,

731
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: it's big. Not based on that reasoning, but all of

732
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: those players are definitely good. Davante Smith, did you have

733
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: him as well? That's another that's another ass that's right.

734
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: Does Smith kind of where he's a little he's an

735
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: undersize speedster. Taking him in the first round is that.

736
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm just worried about durability. That's the only thing that

737
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 1: concerns me. Is like a one hundred and seventy pound

738
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: guy in this league. I mean I'm sure he'll put

739
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: on some weight. But as great as he is, that

740
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: is the concern. And he's and he's uh, speed is

741
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: not it's not like unusually like Olympics. He's got good speed.

742
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: He's so fluid with his routes. He's an unbelievable route runner.

743
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: But you know, you look at him and you say, man,

744
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: he's one good lick away from from being in trouble.

745
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: That's that is. That is the thing. The thing with him.

746
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: I mean, his teammate Waddle is bigger and faster, bigger

747
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: and fat guy. You know. It's a but Alabama they

748
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: utilized him so well. You know, but at some point

749
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: in the NFL you got to catch the ball in

750
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: traffic somewhere, and will he be able to survive that?

751
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: That's that's got to be the big concern with him.

752
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: All Right, gentlemen, are you ready for some questions that

753
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: were submitted via Twitter? Let's do it all right, Butch

754
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: you sit in on the Hall of Fame meetings, so

755
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: I will direct Kyle's question to you. How is Willie

756
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: Anderson's Hall of Fame bid coming along? I think it

757
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: was a real shot in the eye this last year

758
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,479
Speaker 1: by getting into the final twenty five was huge, and

759
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: but I was stunned that he didn't make it to

760
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: the fifteen because I had made calls and all the

761
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: voters I talked to, and I didn't talk to all

762
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: of them, but I talked to several. They think he's

763
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: fit to be a finalist and to go into the

764
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 1: room and to be talked about. So I think I'm

765
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: encouraged by him getting into the twenty five. I wish

766
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: he had got into the fifteen, but I think he will.

767
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: And I do think once he gets into the room

768
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: when I and I want to meet, when he gets

769
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: into the room, he'll be discussed, there'll be a presentation

770
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: of him, and then people will have a back and

771
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: forth on I mean, I think once his case has

772
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: made crystal clear for a year or two, I think

773
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: you'll get in. You know the thing about Willie, and

774
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 1: we know this because we've been around him. But all

775
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: the physical attributes are obviously apparent. You're watch it on tape.

776
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: But the one thing you can't necessarily see on tape

777
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: you might be able to if you really study. You

778
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: know a lot of a lot of situations where you

779
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: know defenses are trying to confuse offensive lines and all that.

780
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: Willie had a beautiful has a beautiful football mind. Willie Anderson,

781
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: man was He's sharp as a whip in terms of

782
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: understanding the game of football big picture. And you know,

783
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: normally tackles just kind of tunnevisioned on the defensive end

784
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: and block the end, block the end, block the end.

785
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: His eyes were always everywhere. Man, Willie Anderson understood the

786
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: game of football big time. I mean, his mental capacity

787
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: for the game of football is as good as his

788
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: physical capacity. Man. It was incredible. Thirteen holding penalties thirteen years,

789
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: I think pretty strong because he intimidated the officials. Who

790
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: was going to throw a flag on big Willie? Come on?

791
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: You know the thing? He was so damn good enough

792
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: to cheat. You know, he knew if he applied his technique,

793
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: he was going to kick everybody's ass. Enough crab, you know,

794
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: just gonna I'm gonna do what I'm supposed to do.

795
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 1: Trust my technique, as they say, And he trusted his technique.

796
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 1: And who's so good physically and his technique was so good.

797
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he is just an example. Boy. He

798
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 1: watched Willie play all right. Similar questions submitted by KB

799
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: and by Joe with the Bengals. Even consider tight end

800
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts with a fifth overall pick, what do you think,

801
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: lab Well, I'll tell you at number five, I think

802
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: that's a little bit rich to consider, you know, the

803
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: tight end position. I mean, you know, Kelsey is in

804
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: my mind, the best route running tight end in the

805
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: National Football League. You know, they can do all the

806
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: comparisons they want, you know who the biggest weapon. Obviously

807
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: the quarterback is a big factor and all that, But

808
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: just if you put on tape and watch Kelsey run

809
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: routes compared to other tight ends of his size in

810
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: the National Football League, it's not even close. He's He's

811
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: just unbelievable. And the tight end can he's a tight

812
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: end like this kid can be an influencer. There's no

813
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: question about it. I do think the Bengals offense suffered

814
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: when C. J Uzama was lost in the year. I

815
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: think that's something that kind of gets gets forgotten a

816
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: little bit because he was definitely their best threat as

817
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: a receiver at the tight end position. I think he's

818
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 1: going to come back, But taking a tight end at

819
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: the fifth spot, I don't know. To me, that's just

820
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: a little bit too rich. Even if this kid's really good,

821
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it, and I'm not sure i'd

822
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 1: pull the trigger with the other needs of the Bengals have. Yeah,

823
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't think they would. I don't think they would

824
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: take him even if they traded back. I agree. Yeah,

825
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: I don't see it happening the fifth pick in the draft.

826
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: I mean maybe if you're if you trade back and

827
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: you're somewhere in that twelve to fifteen range and he's

828
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: somehow still there, maybe you would consider it. But you know,

829
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: he's more of a receiving tight end than a George

830
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: Kittle Rob Gronkowski type. That's a great blocker at the

831
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. If you're at number five and you're

832
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: gonna take a receiver, take a receiver, not the best

833
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: receiving tight end. I mean, I love Kyle Pitts. I'd

834
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: like to have him, but I'm not taking him fifth overall. Yeah,

835
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: I agree. I think I think if the Bengals trade

836
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: back to you know, beyond mid beyond sixteen, fifteen sixteen,

837
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, the middle of the fresh round, I think

838
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: they start to think about it. But if they traded

839
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: back to like San Francisco or your deal at twelve.

840
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: I'm not sure i'd take him at twelve, you know,

841
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: it's I don't know, you'd have to see what else

842
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: is on the board. But I agree with your thought process.

843
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: If there's a receiver there, take the damn receiver, no doubt.

844
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: Question from Bengals truth does the organization feel Frank Pollock

845
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: can fix their current offensive line? I think that they

846
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: have a strong belief in Frank Pollock. Obviously Joe Mixon does,

847
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: and that's a that's a big, big factor. And then

848
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: I guess that's the thing. I know that the offensive

849
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: lineman that we're here when Frank Pollock was here the

850
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 1: first time are excited about Frank Pollock's return, and other

851
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: players that were here when Frank Pollock is here the

852
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: first time are excited about Frank Pollock's return, and Joe

853
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: Mixon obviously the biggest, most vocal one of those. And

854
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: I think that's good and unusual in some ways. I

855
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: can understand the lineman, you know, having that kind of

856
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: a feeling for their coach, but he had an impact

857
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: on a lot of guys. That speaks a lot about

858
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: not only Frank Pollock, the offensive line coach. But Frank Pollock,

859
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: the coach in general, and the person you know and

860
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: in the you know, the ability to form relationships and

861
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: get the best out of people, and to get people

862
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: to believe in what you're doing and trust you, you know,

863
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: and have confidence in all those things. I think. I

864
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: think Frank Pollock is going to do really good things

865
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: here for the Cincinnati Bengalog. I totally believe that. I've

866
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: never seen it. I've never seen a player give a

867
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: touchdown ball to a coach on the other team and

868
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: the coach and the other team take it. Yeah. You know.

869
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: Getting back to the question, does the organization think Frank

870
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: Pollock can fix the current offensive line. He's not going

871
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: to be asked to fix the current offensive line. They're

872
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: going to be changes. He's not going to line up

873
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: with Bobby Hard at right tackle and you know Alex

874
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: Redman at right guard. I mean, some of these guys

875
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: could be back, don't get me wrong, but there are

876
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: going to be changes and additions as well, and then

877
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: they are going to be counting on Frank Pollock to

878
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: maximize whatever group he's given. I agree, And like I

879
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 1: said before, I would not shock me if Frank shuffles

880
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: a little bit, wouldn't wouldn't shock me at all. Who knows?

881
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: But um yeah, Frank, you can't. You can't expect Frank

882
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 1: to bring a big wand in here, wave the magic

883
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: wand and make the players that were playing in the

884
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: Bengals offensive line in the last couple of years a

885
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: top five offensive line in the NFL. That dogging happened. Boy,

886
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: that dog's been dead a while. Question from Bearcat Joe

887
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: and a question from doctor who day these are tied together.

888
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: What are the chances of bringing A J greenback on

889
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: a one year deal? That was Bearcat Joe, Doctor Huday.

890
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: What are realistic landing spots for aj Green? What do

891
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: you think, Butch? You know, I uh, somebody's going to

892
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: offer him a good deal. I think I mean probably not,

893
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: you know, not mega mega, but I'm sure somebody's gonna

894
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: be out there, is gonna offer him more than a

895
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: one year deal. I would think, I man, I'd love

896
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: to have him back. I mean, I think it would

897
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: be great. I think it'd be great for the team,

898
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: to be great for a city, be great for Borrow.

899
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: You know, is that in the cards? I just don't know,

900
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I guess and where I'm not

901
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: sure where's landing spots. I mean, you know, probably for

902
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 1: for a team that's looking for the final piece, something

903
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: to put him over the top. You know, I don't

904
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: think he'd be going to a team that's rebuilding, but

905
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'd love to see him stay here. It's,

906
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: you know, just to help Joe continue the progression. But

907
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,959
Speaker 1: you know that's you know, I'm not you know, that's

908
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: usually for fables and I you know, i'd love to

909
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: see it come true. Though. Yeah, we'd all love to

910
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: see him back, just because we'd love the guy. But

911
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: just everything he said and his body language at the

912
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: end of the year indicated that he's ready to move on,

913
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: so I think he will. I could see him going

914
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: to Atlanta veteran quarterback Matt Ryan. It's home. Julio Jones

915
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: as a friend. They were drafted, you know, basically next

916
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: to each other back in twenty eleven in the draft.

917
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: That one would make a lot of sense to me. Yeah,

918
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: me and Julio down to the schoolyard in Atlanta. AJ's big,

919
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: big deal. I thought the same thing, Dan. You know,

920
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: it's like, uh, go back to the state where you

921
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: made your name. Um, you know, family down there, the

922
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: whole nine yeards. It would be a be a graceful,

923
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: graceful way for him to put out on the back nine. Um. Honestly,

924
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: when what you was saying, yeah, you know a boy,

925
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: you draft a guy like Chase and you get Tyler

926
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: Boyd and T Higgins, I was hoping it was gonna

927
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: be Tyler Boyd, T Higgins and AJ Green. Yeah, I was.

928
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: I was totally surprised last year that he did not

929
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: have a higher win rate ratio. He just you know,

930
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: didn't didn't get open as as much as I thought

931
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 1: he would, you know, and watching him the year before

932
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: when he didn't play at all, you know, running on

933
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,479
Speaker 1: grass up at Cleveland, and it just goes to show

934
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: you then, Man, even though you're running routes, change of direction,

935
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: all that, it's not football. You know, it's not pads on,

936
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: Guys covering, you're getting their hands on, you're doing all

937
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: those kind of things. If the game is different, playing

938
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: the game is different. You can look you can look

939
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: like an All American and dummy football when it's you know,

940
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: shorts and T shirts. Man, you put the pads on

941
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: and play football it's a it's a different dynamic. So

942
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: I was I was very surprised that, you know, that

943
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: he had so many games that were as non productive

944
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: as they were watching him. And even at training camp,

945
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, he's still you know, running some good routes,

946
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: but it's still it wasn't it wasn't live football, you know.

947
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,439
Speaker 1: And uh that's that's the interesting thing. And like you said,

948
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: but somebody might offer them, uh something multi year for

949
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: a lot less. You wonder if the Bengers would do that,

950
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 1: just presence and have them around and doing the kind

951
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: of things, because I mean, to a man, every player,

952
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: every coach, nobody, nobody has a negative thing to say

953
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: about AJ Green. It's it's incredible that is uh as

954
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: is well white and well respected a football player. I mean,

955
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: he is literally in the Anthony Mounel's caliber. It's like

956
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: nobody had anything negative to say about Anthony Muneos, not

957
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: just because of the great player, but the great human

958
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: being and that you know, AJ Green's in that stratosphere,

959
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, So it's it's it's very interesting and

960
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: difficult to you know almost almost think like, yeah, I

961
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: was saying goodbye to AJ Green, you know, very very tough,

962
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: and uh, I wonder, I wonder, I wonder if the

963
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 1: referee had kept his flag in the pocket against the charges,

964
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: what kind of year would it have been for him?

965
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: I think I think it would have been a I think,

966
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, it would have been a you know what

967
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: the stories would have been. Aj never left, He took

968
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: over the game. He won the game. So you know,

969
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: it was a perfect storm. You kind of you can

970
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: kind of forget he missed twenty four games. My god,

971
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: that's a lot of time. But then you're throw in

972
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: the fact the rookie quarterback, a pandemic and a new offense.

973
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: That's a lot of waves in the ocean. You know,

974
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: you just kind of underestimated. In my mind, I underestimated

975
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 1: all that. You look at the official throwing the flag

976
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: on such a great player. You know, a lot of

977
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: times officials kind of like benefit of the doubt goes

978
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: to great players. And you know, confidence is a delicate thing,

979
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: and Aj is one of those guys that really, you know,

980
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: feeds off confidence and everything. You wonder how big a

981
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: blow that was, you know, yeah, I really think it.

982
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 1: He takes everything to heart. Man. Yeah, I just think

983
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: I think the whole I think the whole thing. You know,

984
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: maybe I'm being a half full guy, but I do think.

985
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: I do think things change. It'll be interesting to see

986
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: if he goes elsewhere, if his numbers increased significantly from

987
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: this year where he only had five hundreds some receiving yards.

988
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 1: I can think of one person that does have negative

989
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: things to say about aj Green. That would be Jail

990
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 1: and Ramsey from those Haymakers that he threw a few

991
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: years ago when they got into it, back when Ramsey

992
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: was with Jacksonville. John to have our close seconds, Yeah right,

993
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: that'd be another one. That's a good point. All right,

994
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: one more twit Twitter question and then we're gonna wrap

995
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: up with the Super Bowl from Greg. Will the Bengals

996
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 1: address wide receiver in free agency or the draft? They've

997
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: got to, right, they're gonna add bodies at that position.

998
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: I just I just, you know, there's one thing that

999
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: scares me. It's free agent veteran wide receivers. It just

1000
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 1: seems like it's always a tough fit. Now. I guess

1001
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: they'll probably have to go grab a guy, but that

1002
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: always seems to be you know, I can't you know,

1003
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: you can count on your fingers how many times it's

1004
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 1: worth here, you know, I mean, I guess it hasn't

1005
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: the past, well, Greg said, Greg said, free agency or

1006
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: the draft? Oh, I think the draft, I mean clearly definitely. Yeah,

1007
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: I think I think they're definitely gonna have to address

1008
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: the position in the U in the draft, free agency,

1009
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: you are, I mean you almost wonder, um if if

1010
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: the draft, if not, if the draft isn't fruitful and

1011
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: you're looking at free agency, where does AJ Green stack

1012
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: up in terms of free agency? You know? Okay, do

1013
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 1: we even think about readdressing Aj Green a little differently

1014
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: with respect to guys that might be out there and

1015
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: what kind of options are left. It's kind of that'll

1016
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: be interesting. I think Aj is ready to move on,

1017
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: even more than the Bengals are thinking of moving on

1018
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: from Aj. It just sounded to me at the end

1019
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: of the year like he was ready for a fresh start. Yeah, yeah,

1020
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: I think you're right, Dane. I think to me, to me,

1021
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: his body language and the way he addressed everything, he

1022
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: seemed tired. You know, it was like almost time diagree,

1023
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: And that's okay. You know, he gave him ten great years.

1024
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: I hope he goes somewhere else and thrives in the

1025
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: final stages of his career. All right, let's move on

1026
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: to Super Bowls. Sunday Buccaneers Kansas City Chiefs. Who do

1027
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: you got and why? Butch'll let you go first? Tampa

1028
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: thirty one, twenty eight at the gun, WHOA, I think

1029
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Brady is gonna become Eli Manning. I

1030
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: think he's going to Uh. He's going to beat the

1031
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: Brady of his era Mahomes or like Brady about to ascend,

1032
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: He's gonna beat him. He's gonna beat the Brady of

1033
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: this time. He's gonna and he's gonna do it with

1034
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: Kansas City's gonna um uh. They won't be able to

1035
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: they won't be able to get to him, and he's

1036
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: gonna kill him with the blitz Gronkowski. The MVP could

1037
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: be Rob Gronkowski or Cameron a break the tight end.

1038
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna kill Cameron. Brake might catch a

1039
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: touchdown pass. He is not going to be the Super

1040
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: Bowl MVP. I see I see uh, and I see

1041
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 1: Burnett taking air as Fournette in the other back taking

1042
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: a air out of the ball. If Cameron Brad is

1043
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: the MVP, I will post this clip and like an

1044
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: endless loop to make you look good, because that would

1045
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: be one heck of a call. I don't know what

1046
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: the prop bet is for Cameron break being the MVP

1047
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: of the Super Bowl, but you could make big money

1048
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: if you if you put something down and that turned

1049
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: out to be true. So probably right which bucks thirty

1050
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: one twenty eight? Did you say yes? At the gun?

1051
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: Ryan suck up with a field goal or a touchdown

1052
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: pass by Brady to Cameron Brad to win it in

1053
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: the final seconds on his home field. All right, lap,

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00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: how about you? All right? Well, Brady is thirty three

1055
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: and eleven in his playoff career. He's eighteen and oh

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00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: when he has a plus turnover ratio eighteen, so fifteen

1057
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: and eleven when he's even her mindus, So, I mean,

1058
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: turnover is going to be big like they always are

1059
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: in Brady man in the playoffs eighteen eighteen times he

1060
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: didn't have a turnover the football team he led. That's

1061
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: that's pretty phenomenal. So you know, and I start to

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00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: think about Tampa Bay because I talked about the offensive

1063
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: line with Kansas City, they got four different starters, four

1064
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: the only guy that's the normal starters the center. They

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00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: have Mike Bremers playing offensive line at the tackle position.

1066
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: The last Super Bowl he played in was with the

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00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers and he was playing against Von Miller the

1068
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. Von Miller at three sacks won Super Bowl. MVP.

1069
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: Bremers was a turnstyle and to this day he can't

1070
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: get over how bad he was in that football game.

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00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: You know, and I'm looking at what will what will

1072
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: JPP and Shack Barrett? Who's Shack Barrett's a free agent,

1073
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: by the way, What will those guys do on the edge?

1074
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: You know, I mean without Fisher. Mahomes is three and

1075
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: three in games played without Eric Fisher in six games.

1076
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: So you start to think, man, you know, is Tampa

1077
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: Bay with Tom Brady does that look like? You know,

1078
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: we'll David in White at linebacker the gate Kelsey a

1079
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: little bit, in my opinion, the best route runner at

1080
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: tight end in football. But then I look at Mahomes

1081
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: in my homes in the playoffs, averaging over ten yards

1082
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: rushing when he scrambles seventeen scrambles in the playoffs in

1083
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: the short playoffs history, one hundred and seventy seven yards.

1084
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: That's not to mention scrambling around, throwing the ball all

1085
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: over the place. I just I look at Patrick Mahomes

1086
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: and I just think, Man, the dude's a magician. You know,

1087
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: he even when he falls behind by a big number,

1088
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: he'll come back, whether it's Super Bowl or not, you know,

1089
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: I mean, playoff game or not. I I just can't.

1090
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: I can't rule that guy out. It's the first time

1091
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: in Super Bowl history, the two quarterbacks that won the

1092
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: last two super Bowl based Super Bowls prior to the game,

1093
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: they're playing in face off against each other, and one's

1094
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: on the back nine and one's just starting. Man. That's

1095
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: the one thing that worries me about my pick, obviously

1096
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: is Mahomes because when Brady get beat the Giants Giant,

1097
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: the Giants went up the middle on him. You know,

1098
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: they were at his feet. The Giants were at his feet,

1099
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: And I think Tampa can do that. I think Tampa

1100
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: has a good enough front. But Mahomes will just laugh

1101
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: if they're at his feet. He'll move out of the pocket,

1102
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: will throw behind his back, will throw it under his legs. So, wow,

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01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: Tampa may played a great defense, it's not gonna matter

1104
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: because Mahomes is so good. He hasn't thrown behind his

1105
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: back yet. That might be the one thing he hasn't done,

1106
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: so we'll look forward to that. So who's your pick lap. Well,

1107
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: here's the other thing. The defensive tackles for the Kansas

1108
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: City Chiefs, Clark and Jones, good Tampa. They're gonna get

1109
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,439
Speaker 1: Brady off his spot. That formed me on rush Spagnolo,

1110
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinates three and two against Brady. And of

1111
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: course the big Super Bowl when you're talking about with

1112
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: the Giants formed me on rush pressure White and Brady's

1113
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: face doesn't get fresh in the face. So I'm going

1114
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: thirty one thirty Mahomes. I'm going to barn Burner. Now,

1115
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: I'm going with the Kansas City Chiefs and Mahomes winning

1116
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: back to back Super Bowls. I think he's going to

1117
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: be so I get to break the tie. This is good.

1118
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: I am picking Kansas City. Here is my rationale. The

1119
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: Chiefs have punted once in two playoff games this year.

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01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes has nine losses as the starting quarterback for

1121
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. You know what the opponent has

1122
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: averaged in those nine games, thirty six points. Wow, you

1123
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: got to score a ton to beat Patrick Mahomes. I

1124
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: think the Bucks are going to score twenty seven, but

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01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be enough. Thirty one twenty seven Kansas City.

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01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: I also like Andy Reid over Bruce Arians. I think

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01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians is a fine coach, but he's not going

1128
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame. Andy Reid is and I'm

1129
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: going with case. Left tackle does concern me with Fisher

1130
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: going down in the AFC Championship game. That's the one

1131
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: thing that really scares me. But I will go with

1132
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: Kansas City and ramers is going from right to left

1133
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: tackle and they get a backup to the backup at

1134
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: right tackle. That offensive line is scary, but Mahomes is crazy.

1135
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: But I agree with you, Andy Reid and Eric the Enemy.

1136
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:27,439
Speaker 1: I'll take over Bruce Arians and Leftwich Firon Leftwich. I'll

1137
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: take the tandem in terms of points. Produce some points

1138
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: with Kansas City over the tandem with Tampa Bay. We

1139
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: all have our winning team scoring thirty one points, which

1140
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: is interesting. And if if Tampa Bay comes out on top,

1141
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: you will have the last last laugh on Sunday night. Butch,

1142
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: I'm looking for Cameron Braid at the parade. All right, gentlemen,

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01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: This has been fun. I hope our audience enjoyed it

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01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: as much as I did, and UH look look forward

1145
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 1: to uh laughing as we watched the Super Bowl Sunday night.

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01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: I hear you. Thanks for having me on, guys. I

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01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,200
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