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<v Speaker 1>to Verdict for Ted Cruz. I'm Michael Knolls and Senator.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a very simple question with which you set

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet and the Senate on fire today. Who is

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<v Speaker 1>Ray Epps and specifically, what was the FBI's involvement in

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<v Speaker 1>January sixth? Well, look, I think it is a very

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<v Speaker 1>good question, and it's a question right now we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have an answer to. We have seen for the past

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<v Speaker 1>year the Biden Department of Justice, the Biden FBI Stonewall,

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<v Speaker 1>refused to answer questions, refused to take any accountability. And

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<v Speaker 1>we've also seen, sadly the Biden Department of Justice be

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<v Speaker 1>deeply politicized. We've seen this Attorney general used d J

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<v Speaker 1>as a weapon to go after President Biden's political enemies.

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<v Speaker 1>And ray Epps was a fellow who was there on

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<v Speaker 1>January fifth. January sixth, there are numerous videos of him

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<v Speaker 1>on the Capitol, on the Capitol grounds and leading up

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<v Speaker 1>to the Capitol, urging people to enter into the Capitol.

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<v Speaker 1>And in particular there there's one video that is that

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<v Speaker 1>is very curious where he's you know, he's wearing a

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<v Speaker 1>Maga hat. He certainly appears to be a Trump supporter,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's screaming to the crowd, Uh, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>day before January sixth, this is January fifth. He's saying,

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<v Speaker 1>we must go into the Capitol, not just up to

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<v Speaker 1>the capitol, we must go into the capitol. Let's take

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<v Speaker 1>a look at it. Because the crowd's reaction is is remarkable. Tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't you go into the capitol, So, Michael, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's very curious behavior. The crowd, as you see, begins

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<v Speaker 1>channing fed fed, fed, fed fed. And the next day

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<v Speaker 1>on January sixth, there they're also potographs of this fellow,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Epps, talking to someone else wearing a trump had

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<v Speaker 1>whispering in his ear. And then five seconds later, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can actually on the video see that it's a

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<v Speaker 1>total of five seconds, the person he was talking to

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<v Speaker 1>is suddenly trying to tear down the barricades to the Capitol.

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<v Speaker 1>And the obvious inference is that mister Epps urged him

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<v Speaker 1>to try to tear down the barricades. That's certainly what

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<v Speaker 1>the fellow does five seconds after listening to whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>is that mister Epps says. Now, the FBI posted a

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<v Speaker 1>public posting with a picture of mister Epps asking for

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<v Speaker 1>help identifying this person. Who is this person? They identified

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<v Speaker 1>him as someone that they wanted to question that presumably

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<v Speaker 1>they potentially wanted to charge, and then magically he disappeared

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<v Speaker 1>from the FBI posting, and when they put out the

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<v Speaker 1>next list of pictures, mister Epps was gone, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot of folks are wanting to know what

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<v Speaker 1>I asked today at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, I

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<v Speaker 1>asked the FBI senior official at the FBI if mister

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<v Speaker 1>Epps was a fed what was he a federal agent?

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<v Speaker 1>Was he a confidential informant? Was he actively We saw

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<v Speaker 1>that he was actively urging people to commit criminal conduct?

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<v Speaker 1>But what was he doing so at the behest of

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI and the Department of Justice and the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>and DJ refuse to answer that, did any FBI agents

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<v Speaker 1>or FBI informants actively encourage and incite crimes of violence?

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<v Speaker 1>On January sixth, six Sir, I can't answer that, Miss Saburn.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is Ray Epps? Yep, I'm aware of the individual, Sir,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have the specific background to him. Well, there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of people who are understandably desired about

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<v Speaker 1>mister Eburn about I mean, these four words, these are

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<v Speaker 1>a completely valid question. It doesn't matter which end of

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<v Speaker 1>the political spectrum you're on. This is a question that

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<v Speaker 1>we all want to know the answer, because here's the thing,

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<v Speaker 1>this should be a very easy question for the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>to answer. If the FBI knows that ray Epps is

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<v Speaker 1>not a FED, then they should just deny it to

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<v Speaker 1>put an end to these questions. I mean, those on

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<v Speaker 1>the left try to paint this as a conspiracy theory.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not. It's a valid question because the FBI's engaged

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<v Speaker 1>in this type of entrapment behavior before, with the Gretchen

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<v Speaker 1>Whittmer plot, for example, and so all the FBI has

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<v Speaker 1>to say is, no, he's not a FED. No, FEDS

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<v Speaker 1>did not engage in any kind of entrapment behavior, and

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<v Speaker 1>yet the FBI is refusing to do so. And listen

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<v Speaker 1>to this. This is the statement from the January sixth Committee.

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<v Speaker 1>They say, quote, the Committee has interviewed Epps. Epps informed

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<v Speaker 1>us that he was not working, that he was not

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<v Speaker 1>employed by, working with, or acting at the direction of

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<v Speaker 1>any law enforcement agency on January fifth or sixth, or

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<v Speaker 1>at any other time, and that he has never been

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<v Speaker 1>an informant for the FBI or any other law enforcement agency.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the statement from the January sixth Committee. And

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<v Speaker 1>honestly I laughed when I saw this because ray Epps

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<v Speaker 1>them using ray Epps's words his denial that he was

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<v Speaker 1>a FED, as I guess their insinuation that he has

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<v Speaker 1>not a FED. I thought to myself, well, Ray ups

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<v Speaker 1>denying he's a FED is exactly what he would say

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<v Speaker 1>if he were a FED. It does raise more questions

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<v Speaker 1>than I think it answers, and we will have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of questions from our wonderful subscribers are Verdict plus

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<v Speaker 1>Is that right? That is correct? And there are questions

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<v Speaker 1>related to I mean, as you know this, this clip

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<v Speaker 1>of your senator went wildly viral on social media, millions

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<v Speaker 1>of views, and a lot of people have questions about

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<v Speaker 1>how this can be investigated and what kind of accountability

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<v Speaker 1>there would be if these questions are not answered correctly,

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<v Speaker 1>or if they're answered in the way that we think

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<v Speaker 1>they might be answered. I'm going to go over there

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<v Speaker 1>and collect all of those will answer them at the

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<v Speaker 1>a few minutes, wonderful we'll seeing a second Senator. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to get to what Liz just brought up, which

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<v Speaker 1>is that the January sixth committee partisan, though it may

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<v Speaker 1>be is saying that Ray Epp says he's not a FED,

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<v Speaker 1>he's never been an informant. So what do we make

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<v Speaker 1>of that? Oh, well, it could be true. It could

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<v Speaker 1>be false that the January sixth committee is wildly partisan.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a kangaroo committee. It is set up by

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats with an explicit purpose to elect Democrats, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a partisan show committee from day one.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't give a lot of credence to their statements.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if if mister Epps is a FED

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<v Speaker 1>or not. His behavior is odd, it's weird when you

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<v Speaker 1>watch how he behaved, how the crowd reacted to him,

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<v Speaker 1>when they start channing FED that that's fairly suspicious. And look,

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<v Speaker 1>it's important to distinguish. The FBI has federal agents, and

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<v Speaker 1>they have federal agents who go undercover. That that is

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<v Speaker 1>a legitimate law enforcement investigative technique to go undercover in groups,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly if you anticipate that that that criminal conduct may occur.

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<v Speaker 1>What the FBI can't do and shouldn't do, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>improper for them to do, is for them to instigate

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<v Speaker 1>criminal conduct. So the FBI can't join the Michael Knowles

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<v Speaker 1>book club, and while you're sitting there reading some incredibly dry,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Latin book about the medieval times, say hey,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go knock off a bank tomorrow. Come on, Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>are you mad enough to knock knock over a bank?

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<v Speaker 1>If the FBI agent instigates the criminal activity, if the

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<v Speaker 1>FDBI agents incite you to commit criminal activity, that's where

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<v Speaker 1>they cross the line. And the reason so many people

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<v Speaker 1>are concerned about mister Repps is what we saw in

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<v Speaker 1>the video. He is urging people to commit criminal activity

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<v Speaker 1>that ultimately a lot of people have been are being

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<v Speaker 1>prosecuted for. And so it was really stunning. I asked

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI over and over and over again, did FBI

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<v Speaker 1>agents commit acts of violence? On January sixth, the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>refused to answer that question whether or not FBI agents

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<v Speaker 1>committed acts of violence. I asked, did they incentivize, did

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<v Speaker 1>they incite? Did they urge others to commit acts of violence? Again,

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI refused to answer. And look, I get most

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement agencies. If you ask them, do you have

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<v Speaker 1>an undercover officer or do you have an informant somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna say, I'm not going to tell you, and

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<v Speaker 1>then that's fairly typical law enforcement behavior. This is unusual

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<v Speaker 1>the level of public scrutiny. There is a public accountability

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<v Speaker 1>that needs to occur. If the federal government was actively

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<v Speaker 1>encouraging illegal conduct, was actively encouraging violence, that is incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>concerning because it is an abusive power. And look, everyone

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<v Speaker 1>views this in the context that we remember the four

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<v Speaker 1>years of the Trump presidency. We remember the FBI, the

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence community, in the Department of Justice, in the deep

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<v Speaker 1>state actively conspiring against the president. We remember the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>fraudulently altering a document submitting it to a federal court,

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<v Speaker 1>creating counterfeit. And by the way, this is not me

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<v Speaker 1>saying this, This is the Department of Justice Inspector General

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<v Speaker 1>that outlined how these deep state operatives were so passionately

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<v Speaker 1>anti Trump that they broke the law. And so it

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<v Speaker 1>does raise the question did that happen on January sixth?

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<v Speaker 1>And the fact that the Biden Department of Justice refuses

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<v Speaker 1>to answer is deeply, deeply concerning. And I got to say,

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<v Speaker 1>even for Democrats it ought to be concerning. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to out anybody, but I will tell you

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<v Speaker 1>I had a conversation with a Democratic senator today who

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<v Speaker 1>saw the questioning in Judiciary and he said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta tell you, I'd never heard of this guy

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<v Speaker 1>ray Apps before or that hearing. That's really troubling. And

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<v Speaker 1>he said, I'd like to know that answer now. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to out this senator because it frankly he

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<v Speaker 1>or she would come under a lot of heat for

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<v Speaker 1>saying that publicly because the Democrats don't let you buck

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<v Speaker 1>their party. But if anyone genuinely cares about the integrity

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<v Speaker 1>of law enforcement, you ought to be troubled by law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement in trapping people incentivizing criminal conduct. That's not what

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement is supposed to be doing. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>the Biden DOJ needs to have some real transparency answering

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<v Speaker 1>these questions. But how are we going to get an answer?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you, I think brought this issue and this man

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<v Speaker 1>ray Apps to national attention today in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>he had not been before. But the FBI just stonewalled

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<v Speaker 1>you and said, well, we're not going to tell you. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to tell you. Well, I can't answer that,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, apologies, but I don't exactly take the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI at their word, especially these stays, so are we

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<v Speaker 1>ever going to if a United States Senator in an

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<v Speaker 1>open hearing can't get an answer out of the FBI,

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<v Speaker 1>is that it We just have to believe them because

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<v Speaker 1>they say so. Well, it doesn't have to be. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans are in the minority right now in the Senate,

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<v Speaker 1>so I lack the ability to subpoena anything. It takes

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<v Speaker 1>a majority of a committee to subpoena something. If you

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<v Speaker 1>had even one Democrat willing to break from the herd

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<v Speaker 1>and say let's get an answer to that, that would

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<v Speaker 1>be a step in the right direction. What needs to

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<v Speaker 1>happen at this point, The first step we can do

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<v Speaker 1>is shina light. What needs to happen is we need

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<v Speaker 1>reporters actually do their job. We need reporters to ask

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<v Speaker 1>the Attorney General who has ray apps? Did you have

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<v Speaker 1>confidential informants? Did they incite violence? What are the details?

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<v Speaker 1>You need reporters to ask Democratic senators why don't you care?

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<v Speaker 1>Why aren't you asking this question? Why are you allowing

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Justice to stonewall We need sufficient public

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<v Speaker 1>uproar that the Department of Justice is forced to have

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<v Speaker 1>some accountability. It may take until a year from now.

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<v Speaker 1>A year from now, I believe we will have at

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<v Speaker 1>a minimum of Republican House of Representatives. We may and

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<v Speaker 1>I hope we'll have a Republican Senate a year from

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<v Speaker 1>now as well. If that happens, I very much hope

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<v Speaker 1>that we see a House and or a House and

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<v Speaker 1>Senate willing to use the subpoena power to get answers

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<v Speaker 1>to this. But but absent that, we've got to have

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<v Speaker 1>enough public attention that the Democrats are guilted or shamed

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<v Speaker 1>or feel enough heat that they have to answer questions

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<v Speaker 1>and get to the truth. I don't think that it

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<v Speaker 1>makes a lot of sense right now to expect bipartisanship,

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<v Speaker 1>because last I checked, the Democrats are trying to whip

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<v Speaker 1>all the votes they can to get rid of the filibuster,

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<v Speaker 1>to ram through the federalization of elections. You actually have

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<v Speaker 1>come to be the public enemy number one, at least

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<v Speaker 1>for the White House. They're whipping votes against you on

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<v Speaker 1>this issue of Nordstream two and Russia trying to build

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<v Speaker 1>a pipeline. So it does seem like the stakes are

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<v Speaker 1>very very high right now, and any Democrat who bucks

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<v Speaker 1>the party line is going to be thrown into the

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<v Speaker 1>outer darkness. Well, Michael, that's exactly right. The Biden White

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<v Speaker 1>House is fighting me tooth and dale on multiple fronts.

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<v Speaker 1>They're fighting me on January sixth, they're fighting me trying

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<v Speaker 1>to cover up what happened. They're fighting me on the

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<v Speaker 1>filibuster and their attempt to federalize elections. And they're fighting

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<v Speaker 1>me ironically in defense of Russia and Nordstream two. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at January six the other half of

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<v Speaker 1>the hearing this morning is I asked the Department of Justice.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, all right, how many people have been charged

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<v Speaker 1>with crimes of violence? If you assault a police officer,

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<v Speaker 1>if you physically assault a police officer, you should be prosecutor,

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<v Speaker 1>you should go to jail. Nobody should be able to

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<v Speaker 1>violently assault a cop. But I asked, especially if it's

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<v Speaker 1>a fan who's doing it. Yeah, how many people have

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<v Speaker 1>been charged with crimes of violence? Barbent of Justice refused

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<v Speaker 1>to answer. How many people have been charged with non

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<v Speaker 1>violent crimes? They refused to answer. I asked how many

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<v Speaker 1>people are currently incarcerated? They refused to answer. I asked

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<v Speaker 1>of those people, how many have been placed in solitary confinement,

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<v Speaker 1>both violent and nonviolent. They refused to answer, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I asked, I said, all right, let's look at a

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<v Speaker 1>different instance where we had violence across the country, which

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<v Speaker 1>were Black Lives Mattered Antifa riots all over the country.

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<v Speaker 1>So on January sixth, there were roughly one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>forty police officers who reported assaults on January sixth. That is,

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<v Speaker 1>those cases involving violence need to be investigated and prosecuted.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty, Black Lives Matter and Antifa riots injured

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<v Speaker 1>roughly seven hundred and fifty police officers nationwide, seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty cops. I asked the Department of Justice, though

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred and fifty cops that we're injured. How many

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<v Speaker 1>crimes of violence have been charged? I don't know the

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<v Speaker 1>answer to that. How many nonviolent crimes have been charged?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know the answer to that. How do you

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<v Speaker 1>explain the differential the political partisan prosecution that anybody you

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<v Speaker 1>know a little old lady who came to the mall

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<v Speaker 1>on January sixth waving an American flag and singing God

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<v Speaker 1>Bless America, the Biden DOJ is going to come down

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<v Speaker 1>on like a ton of bricks. But some Antifa rioter

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<v Speaker 1>whose firebombing police cars, they can't be bothered to prosecute

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<v Speaker 1>and the Biden DOJ just stiff arm did the Heisman said,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not answering anything we don't know. There needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be accountability there. On the filibuster, Chuck Schumer is trying

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<v Speaker 1>to ram through an exception of the filibuster to federalize elections,

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<v Speaker 1>and in particular what he wants as a bill that

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<v Speaker 1>would subject any change in election laws to what's called preclarance.

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<v Speaker 1>Preclarance means the Department of Justice, This same politicized Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Justice that has no transparency, that is behaving in

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<v Speaker 1>nakedly partisan ways. He wants unelected bureaucrats of the Biden

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Justice in charge of every election of America,

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<v Speaker 1>and he wants them to have the ability to strike

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<v Speaker 1>down laws adopted by democratically elected legislature. So I represent

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<v Speaker 1>the state of Texas. They're twenty nine million Texans. The

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<v Speaker 1>people of the state of Texas support voter ID, support

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<v Speaker 1>requiring an identification to go vote. Eighty percent of Americans

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<v Speaker 1>support voter ID. The vast majority of African Americans support

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<v Speaker 1>voter ID. Well, the head of the Civil Rights Division

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<v Speaker 1>and Department of Justice, is a left wing activist, is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the leading advocates of abolishing the police in

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<v Speaker 1>the country. She is a hard liberal partisan, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Schumer Democrats are saying she should have the power to

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<v Speaker 1>Trump to set aside, to repeal laws that twenty nine

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<v Speaker 1>million Texans through the democratic process want adopted. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a brazen power grab, and I'm help leading the effort

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<v Speaker 1>to stop they're destroying the filibuster, to stop there destroying

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<v Speaker 1>the integrity of elections, to fight against voter fraud because

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<v Speaker 1>Biden and Schumer and Pelosi have decided voter fraud is

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<v Speaker 1>good for Democrats. But the issue here, of course is

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<v Speaker 1>if we're getting back actually to the issue of ray

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<v Speaker 1>Apps in the investigation of the FBI, we can't do

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<v Speaker 1>anything until we win more elections and get a majority

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<v Speaker 1>in the Senate. If the Democrats grab this power, it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be much much, much much harder. I think

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of Democrats minds, they think it will

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<v Speaker 1>give them a permanent majority because they're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>taking all the power for running the elections. So how

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<v Speaker 1>urgent is this issue? Am I am? I just clutching

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<v Speaker 1>my pearls and waking up in a cold sweat for

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<v Speaker 1>no reason, or is there a genuine threat here. We're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at a generational kind of powagram, So listen that

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<v Speaker 1>there is a real threat here. On the filibuster. It

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<v Speaker 1>all comes down to Joe Mansion and Kirsten Cinema. So

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<v Speaker 1>far they have resisted ending the filibuster. What Schumer is

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<v Speaker 1>trying is to say, well, let's just make a limited,

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<v Speaker 1>narrow exception for voting rights, because voting rights are so

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<v Speaker 1>important to mind you. The bill he's pushing actually undermines

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<v Speaker 1>voting rights. It puts an unelected bureaucrat with the ability

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<v Speaker 1>to throw out laws adopted through voting rights through the

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<v Speaker 1>democratic process. So it's an anti voting rights bill. But

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<v Speaker 1>their rhetoric they claim it's voting rights and listen, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if the Democrats are going to do it

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<v Speaker 1>or not. They're putting massive pressure on Mansion in Cinema.

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<v Speaker 1>If they give into it, it will have a massive

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<v Speaker 1>negative effect on the integrity of elections. It will be

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<v Speaker 1>used to undermine voter id laws. It will be used

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<v Speaker 1>to undermine laws prohibiting ballot harvesting. It will be used

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<v Speaker 1>to undermine every reasonable, common sense law that states have

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<v Speaker 1>adopted to try to protect the integrity of elections. So

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<v Speaker 1>it is dangerous. Democrats are doing it nakedly as a

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<v Speaker 1>power grab. But the irony is it's a power grab

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<v Speaker 1>on like multiple levels. It's like an Escher painting that

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<v Speaker 1>it folds in itself over and over again. What they

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<v Speaker 1>want to do to elections is a power grab. The

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<v Speaker 1>way they want to do it is a power grab

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<v Speaker 1>because to eliminate the filibuster, they have to break the

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<v Speaker 1>Senate rules in order to change the Senate rules. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, today I was part of a press conference

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<v Speaker 1>with about a dozen other Republican senators where I and

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<v Speaker 1>others had great fun reading from a Chuck Schumer's speech.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, those are words that have never before

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<v Speaker 1>been uttered in the English language. Great fun reading from

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<v Speaker 1>a Chuck Schumer's speech. But it was in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and five where he was railing against some Republicans that

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about ending the filibuster then, and he said

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<v Speaker 1>that if you break the rules to change the rules,

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<v Speaker 1>that it would turn America into a quote banana republic,

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<v Speaker 1>and that it would be quote doomsday for democracy. That

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<v Speaker 1>is Charles Schumer on what knooking the filibuster would mean,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet now he's trying banana republican doomsday for democracy

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<v Speaker 1>to use the Schumer words. Why look, Frankly, the real

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<v Speaker 1>reason is Schumer's terrified AOC is going to primary him

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<v Speaker 1>from the left, and so he wants to give the

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<v Speaker 1>crazy left everything they can in order to show just

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<v Speaker 1>how tough he is. This theory, I've heard it whispered before,

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<v Speaker 1>but this would explain it. Because Chuck Schumer is an

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<v Speaker 1>institutionally very savvy guy. He's certainly not the most radical

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<v Speaker 1>of the Democrats. I can't believe you said for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time that you you enjoyed reading a Chuck Schumer speech.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying for the first time, I agree with Chuck

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<v Speaker 1>Schumer on what would happen if we repealed the filibuster.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is a legitimate threat from the most talked

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<v Speaker 1>about politician in New York, and that would be AOC. Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he is looking over his left shoulder like crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever she says, if he if she says jomp,

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<v Speaker 1>he says how high he's in the air, and and

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<v Speaker 1>and and doing backflips. And by the way, I gotta say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the image of Chuck Schumer exerting himself athletically

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<v Speaker 1>is really a frightening thought. Um, but it is almost

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<v Speaker 1>complete and total that that that that that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when when AOC went down to party over the holidays

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<v Speaker 1>and in in Miami, I expected to Schumer to show

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<v Speaker 1>up in in uh in a bar at Mono Keiney

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, partying alongside her. Thank you for putting

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<v Speaker 1>that image in my head. To Senator on that note,

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<v Speaker 1>should we bring our friend Liz back to hear from

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<v Speaker 1>some of our listeners in the moment, we should, And Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>you will wake up tonight in nightmares with the image

0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:11.320
<v Speaker 1>of Chuck and the boorat Yep, it's already there. Liz.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to say, it's very mean to bring

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<v Speaker 1>me back right at that reference, to put that in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind. As you bring me back, you both you

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<v Speaker 1>both owe me for that. You both owe me for that.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a lot of good questions, fortunately none on

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<v Speaker 1>that particular topic, but we have a lot of good questions. Senator,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to combine this question. It's actually two questions,

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<v Speaker 1>one from Bill Smith and one from Linda Brown. Bill Smith,

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Crews also asked the question where is ray Epps?

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<v Speaker 1>Why doesn't Congress subpoena him to appear? And Linda Brown says,

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<v Speaker 1>what can be done to find out who ray Epps

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<v Speaker 1>is and if the FBI are in collusion with the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats to instigate these riots. Well, Congress certainly could subpoena him.

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<v Speaker 1>An individual committee could subpoena him, but it takes a

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<v Speaker 1>majority on an eddy committee, and right now the Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>have the majority. So it would take Democrats being willing

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<v Speaker 1>to go along with it, and right now they're not

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<v Speaker 1>willing to. If the January sixth Committee were anything other

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<v Speaker 1>than a Democratic kangaroo court, they would subpoena him and

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<v Speaker 1>bring him in for public testimony. But I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to hold my breath there because that conflicts with their narrative.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, you know, there's information about where he's from.

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<v Speaker 1>There's information on the internet. People are speculating. Again, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know this fellow. It may be that that that

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<v Speaker 1>he's not. These are questions. His behavior is very curious,

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<v Speaker 1>and the fact that the FBI was unwilling to deny

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<v Speaker 1>it raises serious questions. But but it would take either

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<v Speaker 1>course of legal force through a subpoena, which right now

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<v Speaker 1>the Democrats have a monopoly on or it would take

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<v Speaker 1>sufficient public scrutiny that the FBI and Department of Justice

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<v Speaker 1>feels compelled to actually answer the questions. Right now, I

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<v Speaker 1>think they believe they are totally unaccountable, that there is

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<v Speaker 1>no there are consequences for their conduct, and that's really

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<v Speaker 1>a dangerous dynamic. Look, it's frankly what we saw earlier

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<v Speaker 1>this year when Merrick Garland directed the FBI to go

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<v Speaker 1>after and target parents at school boards as domestic terrorists.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the same thing. It's it's abusing the political process

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<v Speaker 1>for partisan ends, and that's really dangerous. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's correct. Obviously, the Democrats are partisan, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're certainly going to be unwilling to vote in favor

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<v Speaker 1>of subpoenaing ray ups. The question is if the Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>gain control of the House of Representatives at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the year, which I think most people are expecting

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<v Speaker 1>that Republicans will. I don't want to jinx it, but

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<v Speaker 1>history shows that that's very likely, and so does the

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<v Speaker 1>condition of the country. Do you think Republicans could possibly

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<v Speaker 1>subpoenat him at that point if if the question has

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<v Speaker 1>not been answered by then, yeah, I think the House representatives.

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<v Speaker 1>We take the House, the House could absolutely do it.

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<v Speaker 1>If we take the Senate, the Senate could do it also.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I think there's a very real chance that potentially

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<v Speaker 1>mister Epps might fight the subpoena. He might plead the

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<v Speaker 1>fifth I don't know what he would do. If Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>in the House or Senate tried to subpoena the Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Justice or the FBI, they would almost certainly fight

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<v Speaker 1>it in Stonewall. And I think the pattern we can

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<v Speaker 1>expect is similar to the pattern we saw in the

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<v Speaker 1>Obama Justice Department. The Obama Justice Department was heavily politicized.

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<v Speaker 1>We ended up ultimately seeing Eric Holder, the Attorney General,

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<v Speaker 1>held in contempt of Congress because he defied congressional subpoenas.

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<v Speaker 1>So just winning a majority wouldn't necessarily cause the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>or the Department of Justice to answer the question. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think if we had a majority today, I would

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<v Speaker 1>be prepared to issue a subpoena today if it were

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<v Speaker 1>up to me, and I would certainly vote for that.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd need to get a majority willing to do so. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think the American people certainly call for it,

0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 1>and his behavior if he were to face that hypothetically,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be telling depending on what his behavior is. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the next question I think is for Michael. This is

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<v Speaker 1>directed to just the senator's co host, with the question

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:12.480
<v Speaker 1>why aren't you willing? And like I said, I assume

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<v Speaker 1>this is Michael, why aren't you willing to have Madison

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<v Speaker 1>Cawthorne on your show on MSNBC. Michael, I think this

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:22.440
<v Speaker 1>person thinks you're Rachel Maddow. You know. I was waiting

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:26.600
<v Speaker 1>for the punchline on that. And it's a good question actually,

0:29:26.640 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>because Rachel Maddow has said, or her producers said in

0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 1>an email that they didn't want to ask Madison Cawthorne,

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:35.080
<v Speaker 1>the Republican congressman, for comment, because he might come on

0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:40.880
<v Speaker 1>the show. I would criticize Rachel, but we doppelgangers have

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:43.080
<v Speaker 1>to stick together, and so I'm not going to be

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:46.800
<v Speaker 1>throwing any stones at my MSNBC counterpart. Okay, that's a

0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:49.840
<v Speaker 1>very political answer to that. Michael. Well, that's all right.

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:51.360
<v Speaker 1>I made that question up anyway because I thought it

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 1>was funny. Senator. Here's here's a real question for you.

0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:56.400
<v Speaker 1>This is from Real Truth Cactus, who has some of

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<v Speaker 1>the best questions. She says, why have we seen the

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<v Speaker 1>left suddenly switched the COVID messaging from inflated statistics and

0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:06.360
<v Speaker 1>fearmongering too accurate COVID information that would have gotten you

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 1>banned from Twitter a year ago. Yeah, because they're brazen

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:15.600
<v Speaker 1>hypocrites and they realize that their policies are very unpopular.

0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:19.560
<v Speaker 1>People don't want small businesses shut down again, people don't

0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:23.920
<v Speaker 1>want their schools shut down again. Children, literally millions of

0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:28.200
<v Speaker 1>children are being hurt by these ridiculous policies, and people

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<v Speaker 1>are tired of the brazen mask mandates. You know, today

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<v Speaker 1>we had a press conference in the Senate and they're

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 1>about a dozen Republican senators there, and all the reporters

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:41.959
<v Speaker 1>were there, and a reporter from PBS asked me a question.

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<v Speaker 1>She said, all of we reporters are wearing masks. None

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:49.040
<v Speaker 1>of you senators are wearing masks. What's wrong with you?

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Why aren't you wearing masks? And I laughed at her,

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 1>and I said, because people are tired of the ridiculous

0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 1>double standards we've seen. We've seen Biden say no vaccine man,

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<v Speaker 1>and then suddenly vaccine mandates for everyone. We've seen Biden say,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're vaccinated, you don't got to wear a mask,

0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:08.160
<v Speaker 1>and then suddenly everyone's got to wear a mask. We've

0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 1>seen Fauci say masks don't work, and then suddenly you

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 1>need two, three four masks, And then well, I'm gonna

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 1>lie to the American people about masks because I don't

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:18.440
<v Speaker 1>think they can handle it. We've seen the flip flops

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 1>back and forth. And I told her, I said, look,

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:23.440
<v Speaker 1>you're a reporter. If you want to wear a mask,

0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 1>you can wear a mask for the rest of your

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:30.719
<v Speaker 1>damn life. I don't care. But some of us actually

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 1>believe in freedom and are not going to wear a

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 1>mask for the rest of our lives. But then I

0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:35.960
<v Speaker 1>turned to her, Liz, and I said, you know what,

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 1>how come your reporters never asked Joe Biden when he's

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<v Speaker 1>standing at the damn podium in the White House, he's

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:46.120
<v Speaker 1>not wearing a mask. How come you never asked Joe Biden,

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 1>wear's your mask? How come Jen Saki, the White House

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Press Secretary, when she's standing at the podium, no mask.

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 1>We don't see reporters say, Miss Saki why aren't you

0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 1>wearing a mask because you guys are a bunch of

0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 1>partisan hypocrites. She didn't like that answer. No, I bet

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:06.920
<v Speaker 1>she didn't. I personally would like if the press would

0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:09.400
<v Speaker 1>question Biden about not just why he doesn't wear a

0:32:09.400 --> 0:32:11.240
<v Speaker 1>mask at the podium, but why he does wear a

0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 1>mask on the beach by himself outdoors when he's walking

0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:17.160
<v Speaker 1>his dog, because that one, that one will blow your mind.

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 1>I tell you that one's the craziest. Okay, next question

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 1>is from a New a New Verdict plus community at

0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 1>member Padre Boston. I happen to know that this is

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<v Speaker 1>a Catholic priest in Boston. Padre Boston says, Senator, can

0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 1>doctor Fauci be forced out by a Republican dominated Congress?

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 1>That's actually a good question. By a Congress is tough

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<v Speaker 1>because the executive power has the power of hiring and firing.

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:46.800
<v Speaker 1>So Fauci, as far as I know, is not currently

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<v Speaker 1>in a Senate confirmed position, so he doesn't require Senate confirmation.

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.400
<v Speaker 1>I assume I haven't studied this, but I assume the

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<v Speaker 1>Secretary of HHS could fire Fauci, or the President could

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:05.400
<v Speaker 1>direct that he be fired. Congress could put a lot

0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:10.560
<v Speaker 1>of heat on the administration. Congress could, I suppose, theoretically

0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:14.240
<v Speaker 1>try to attach something like an appropriation writer to legislation.

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 1>I've never seen that targeting a particular individual that would

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:22.720
<v Speaker 1>almost surely be challenged in litigation if you tried so.

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:25.920
<v Speaker 1>The principal thing Congress could do is shine a light

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<v Speaker 1>on Fauci's repeated contradictions, on his abusive power, on his hypocrisy,

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:35.600
<v Speaker 1>and on what appears on the face of it to

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<v Speaker 1>be his committing of a federal crime lying to Congress

0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:43.760
<v Speaker 1>about whether the federal government funded gain a function research

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 1>at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And that's a lying

0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:50.560
<v Speaker 1>to Congress as a federal crime, a felony punishable by

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:53.719
<v Speaker 1>up to five years in prison. I've asked about that,

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 1>I've shined the light on that, I've pressed on that.

0:33:56.320 --> 0:33:59.400
<v Speaker 1>But the problem is, look, under our constitution, we got

0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:03.880
<v Speaker 1>three branches a government legislative, executive, judicial. Only the executive

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:07.160
<v Speaker 1>can prosecute Fauci for lying to Congress, and at least

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:10.759
<v Speaker 1>right now the Biden doj they ain't gonna do it.

0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:15.879
<v Speaker 1>Forget about the law. Politics trumps everything, sadly with this administration,

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:18.439
<v Speaker 1>and that's part of the problem with the administrative state

0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:21.719
<v Speaker 1>is Congress should have more power than they have, but

0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 1>they legislated away. They legislated away using vague, vague wording

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.840
<v Speaker 1>in pieces of legislation that just defers this rulemaking to

0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:33.479
<v Speaker 1>these agencies. And these bureacrats are unaccountable to the American people.

0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:35.600
<v Speaker 1>They are in positions that it's difficult to fire them.

0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 1>This is one of the problems, one of the many

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 1>problems with the administrative state. Senator, this isn't work. This

0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:43.120
<v Speaker 1>is a fun question. This is a question that reminds

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:45.480
<v Speaker 1>me of what one of the audience members at Texas

0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:48.360
<v Speaker 1>a and m asked you about your home state of Texas.

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:52.319
<v Speaker 1>This person's user name is ssnyh. He asks, would Ted

0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:58.759
<v Speaker 1>be willing to moderate a Texas governor's debate before the primary?

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:01.920
<v Speaker 1>That's an awfully good question. It's a lively question. You know,

0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:05.480
<v Speaker 1>I probably shouldn't do that. I'm friends with all the

0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 1>people running for governor. Greg Abbott has been a good friend.

0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:13.840
<v Speaker 1>He was my boss five and a half years. There's

0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:17.560
<v Speaker 1>enough contentious dispute. I'm supporting Abbott because he has been

0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:22.680
<v Speaker 1>a close friend and supporter for decades. So you probably

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't have a moderator who's taken a position in a

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:29.400
<v Speaker 1>race senator, senator that has never stopped a moderator before.

0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:33.359
<v Speaker 1>Obvious an overt bias and personal relationship. I think that's

0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:36.399
<v Speaker 1>just the part for the course at this point. So actually, Mike,

0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I'd remind me when when Chris Wallace moderated the debate

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:43.880
<v Speaker 1>between Trump and Biden, was Wallace actually wearing a Biden

0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:46.839
<v Speaker 1>tshirt with a giant foam finger that said number one?

0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:49.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure he was like wearing the same shirt

0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 1>we see on illegal aliens crossing the border now, and

0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:56.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, with a giant foam cowboy hat. You know,

0:35:56.840 --> 0:36:01.240
<v Speaker 1>Biden's Biden's cheerleader. Yeah, I mean you're thinking of Candy

0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Crowley surely, or someone from CNN who's giving questions Dhillary Clinton.

0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:09.040
<v Speaker 1>Let's not get confuser. I personally don't believe that there

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:11.719
<v Speaker 1>is someone who isn't bias. Anybody who follows politics has

0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:13.880
<v Speaker 1>an opinion, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:16.600
<v Speaker 1>I think, in fact, sometimes owning up to bias makes

0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:18.560
<v Speaker 1>it makes it more fair because then your audience can

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 1>control for your bias. But I thought that was a

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:22.279
<v Speaker 1>fun question, So, Liz, I was going to jump in

0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 1>on the question of debate bias real briefly. One change

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually suggested in how presidential debates happen is two

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<v Speaker 1>stage Number one, Republican primary debates in the presidency should

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:38.279
<v Speaker 1>only be moderated by people who intend to vote in

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:42.759
<v Speaker 1>a Republican primary. So if you're a lefty journalist, if

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:45.080
<v Speaker 1>you want every Republican to lose, you shouldn't be a

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:48.760
<v Speaker 1>moderator every primary. A condition for to be a moderator,

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<v Speaker 1>as you have to say, I'm going to vote in

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<v Speaker 1>the Republican primary. I'm making this choice as well. Secondly

0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:57.799
<v Speaker 1>in the general election. Obviously that's not an option when

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<v Speaker 1>you have a Democrat and a Republican. Is what you

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:03.799
<v Speaker 1>just said about everyone's biased, Rather than pretend they're not,

0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 1>I would open it, and I would have one left

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:11.840
<v Speaker 1>wing moderator and one right wing moderator, so I you know,

0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 1>I would have um, you know, Chris Hayes and Mark Levine.

0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:23.919
<v Speaker 1>I'd have Rachel Maddow and Michael Knowles that they could

0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:26.400
<v Speaker 1>be separated at birth and and and and just have

0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:30.360
<v Speaker 1>them own it completely. They'd have to wear name tags

0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:33.719
<v Speaker 1>to differentiate Michael, do you have the glasses like her?

0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:35.400
<v Speaker 1>You got the haircut, but do you have the like

0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:40.200
<v Speaker 1>big dark black glasses. I'm not joking. Ben Shapiro told

0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:43.600
<v Speaker 1>me I couldn't wear my glasses anymore because I looked

0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:46.799
<v Speaker 1>too much like a certain MSNBC host. That is not

0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:50.120
<v Speaker 1>a joke, and so everything is just blurring. Lest I

0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:53.440
<v Speaker 1>be confused, That's okay. If you get this hosting role,

0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:55.839
<v Speaker 1>we'll give you name tags to differentiate yourself from her.

0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Um On that note, anybody who wants to spark one

0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:02.000
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0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:04.720
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<v Speaker 1>On that note, I'm going to hand it back to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Wonderful Liz, Thank you very much. I am not Ray Epps,

0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:36.719
<v Speaker 1>I am not a fed I am Michael Knowles. This

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<v Speaker 1>see exactly what Michael and Senator Cruz are going to

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<v Speaker 1>do in twenty twenty two. These are the options, and

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, shout out to Real Truth Cactus for

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<v Speaker 1>this idea. These are the options. Either the Senator wears

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<v Speaker 1>Option number two Michael and the Senator arm wrestle. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very biased, but this one's my favorite. Option number three

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<v Speaker 1>the Cactus makes a guest appearance on our show or

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<v Speaker 1>option number four Michael Ross, Princeton and the Senator Rose

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