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I'm Michael Knolls and Senator. 58 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: It's just a very simple question with which you set 59 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: the Internet and the Senate on fire today. Who is 60 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: Ray Epps and specifically, what was the FBI's involvement in 61 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: January sixth? Well, look, I think it is a very 62 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: good question, and it's a question right now we don't 63 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: have an answer to. We have seen for the past 64 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: year the Biden Department of Justice, the Biden FBI Stonewall, 65 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: refused to answer questions, refused to take any accountability. And 66 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: we've also seen, sadly the Biden Department of Justice be 67 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: deeply politicized. We've seen this Attorney general used d J 68 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: as a weapon to go after President Biden's political enemies. 69 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: And ray Epps was a fellow who was there on 70 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: January fifth. January sixth, there are numerous videos of him 71 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: on the Capitol, on the Capitol grounds and leading up 72 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: to the Capitol, urging people to enter into the Capitol. 73 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: And in particular there there's one video that is that 74 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: is very curious where he's you know, he's wearing a 75 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: Maga hat. He certainly appears to be a Trump supporter, 76 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: and he's screaming to the crowd, Uh, this is the 77 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: day before January sixth, this is January fifth. He's saying, 78 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: we must go into the Capitol, not just up to 79 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: the capitol, we must go into the capitol. Let's take 80 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: a look at it. Because the crowd's reaction is is remarkable. Tomorrow, 81 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: he didn't you go into the capitol, So, Michael, it's 82 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: it's very curious behavior. The crowd, as you see, begins 83 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: channing fed fed, fed, fed fed. And the next day 84 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: on January sixth, there they're also potographs of this fellow, 85 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: mister Epps, talking to someone else wearing a trump had 86 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: whispering in his ear. And then five seconds later, and 87 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: you can actually on the video see that it's a 88 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: total of five seconds, the person he was talking to 89 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: is suddenly trying to tear down the barricades to the Capitol. 90 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: And the obvious inference is that mister Epps urged him 91 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: to try to tear down the barricades. That's certainly what 92 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: the fellow does five seconds after listening to whatever it 93 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: is that mister Epps says. Now, the FBI posted a 94 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: public posting with a picture of mister Epps asking for 95 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: help identifying this person. Who is this person? They identified 96 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: him as someone that they wanted to question that presumably 97 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: they potentially wanted to charge, and then magically he disappeared 98 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: from the FBI posting, and when they put out the 99 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: next list of pictures, mister Epps was gone, and I 100 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: think a lot of folks are wanting to know what 101 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: I asked today at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, I 102 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:06,239 Speaker 1: asked the FBI senior official at the FBI if mister 103 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: Epps was a fed what was he a federal agent? 104 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: Was he a confidential informant? Was he actively We saw 105 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: that he was actively urging people to commit criminal conduct? 106 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: But what was he doing so at the behest of 107 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: the FBI and the Department of Justice and the FBI 108 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: and DJ refuse to answer that, did any FBI agents 109 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: or FBI informants actively encourage and incite crimes of violence? 110 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: On January sixth, six Sir, I can't answer that, Miss Saburn. 111 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: Who is Ray Epps? Yep, I'm aware of the individual, Sir, 112 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: I don't have the specific background to him. Well, there 113 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: are a lot of people who are understandably desired about 114 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: mister Eburn about I mean, these four words, these are 115 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: a completely valid question. It doesn't matter which end of 116 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: the political spectrum you're on. This is a question that 117 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: we all want to know the answer, because here's the thing, 118 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: this should be a very easy question for the FBI 119 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: to answer. If the FBI knows that ray Epps is 120 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: not a FED, then they should just deny it to 121 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: put an end to these questions. I mean, those on 122 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: the left try to paint this as a conspiracy theory. 123 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: It's not. It's a valid question because the FBI's engaged 124 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: in this type of entrapment behavior before, with the Gretchen 125 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: Whittmer plot, for example, and so all the FBI has 126 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: to say is, no, he's not a FED. No, FEDS 127 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: did not engage in any kind of entrapment behavior, and 128 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: yet the FBI is refusing to do so. And listen 129 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: to this. This is the statement from the January sixth Committee. 130 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: They say, quote, the Committee has interviewed Epps. Epps informed 131 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: us that he was not working, that he was not 132 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: employed by, working with, or acting at the direction of 133 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: any law enforcement agency on January fifth or sixth, or 134 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: at any other time, and that he has never been 135 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: an informant for the FBI or any other law enforcement agency. 136 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: This is the statement from the January sixth Committee. And 137 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: honestly I laughed when I saw this because ray Epps 138 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: them using ray Epps's words his denial that he was 139 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: a FED, as I guess their insinuation that he has 140 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: not a FED. I thought to myself, well, Ray ups 141 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: denying he's a FED is exactly what he would say 142 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: if he were a FED. It does raise more questions 143 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: than I think it answers, and we will have a 144 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: lot of questions from our wonderful subscribers are Verdict plus 145 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: subscribers coming up in the mailbag not too long from now. 146 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: Is that right? That is correct? And there are questions 147 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: related to I mean, as you know this, this clip 148 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: of your senator went wildly viral on social media, millions 149 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: of views, and a lot of people have questions about 150 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: how this can be investigated and what kind of accountability 151 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: there would be if these questions are not answered correctly, 152 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: or if they're answered in the way that we think 153 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: they might be answered. I'm going to go over there 154 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: and collect all of those will answer them at the 155 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: end of the show. Anybody who wants to ask a 156 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: question can join us on Verdict plus at Verdict with 157 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz dot com slash plus and I'll see in 158 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: a few minutes, wonderful we'll seeing a second Senator. I 159 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: want to get to what Liz just brought up, which 160 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: is that the January sixth committee partisan, though it may 161 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: be is saying that Ray Epp says he's not a FED, 162 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: he's never been an informant. So what do we make 163 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: of that? Oh, well, it could be true. It could 164 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: be false that the January sixth committee is wildly partisan. 165 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: It is a kangaroo committee. It is set up by 166 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: Democrats with an explicit purpose to elect Democrats, and it's 167 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: going to be a partisan show committee from day one. 168 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: So I don't give a lot of credence to their statements. 169 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: I don't know if if mister Epps is a FED 170 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: or not. His behavior is odd, it's weird when you 171 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: watch how he behaved, how the crowd reacted to him, 172 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: when they start channing FED that that's fairly suspicious. And look, 173 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: it's important to distinguish. The FBI has federal agents, and 174 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: they have federal agents who go undercover. That that is 175 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: a legitimate law enforcement investigative technique to go undercover in groups, 176 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: particularly if you anticipate that that that criminal conduct may occur. 177 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: What the FBI can't do and shouldn't do, and it's 178 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: improper for them to do, is for them to instigate 179 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: criminal conduct. So the FBI can't join the Michael Knowles 180 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:18,599 Speaker 1: book club, and while you're sitting there reading some incredibly dry, 181 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, Latin book about the medieval times, say hey, 182 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: let's go knock off a bank tomorrow. Come on, Michael, 183 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: are you mad enough to knock knock over a bank? 184 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: If the FBI agent instigates the criminal activity, if the 185 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: FDBI agents incite you to commit criminal activity, that's where 186 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: they cross the line. And the reason so many people 187 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: are concerned about mister Repps is what we saw in 188 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: the video. He is urging people to commit criminal activity 189 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: that ultimately a lot of people have been are being 190 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: prosecuted for. And so it was really stunning. I asked 191 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: the FBI over and over and over again, did FBI 192 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: agents commit acts of violence? On January sixth, the FBI 193 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: refused to answer that question whether or not FBI agents 194 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: committed acts of violence. I asked, did they incentivize, did 195 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: they incite? Did they urge others to commit acts of violence? Again, 196 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 1: the FBI refused to answer. And look, I get most 197 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies. If you ask them, do you have 198 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: an undercover officer or do you have an informant somewhere, 199 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: they're gonna say, I'm not going to tell you, and 200 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: then that's fairly typical law enforcement behavior. This is unusual 201 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: the level of public scrutiny. There is a public accountability 202 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: that needs to occur. If the federal government was actively 203 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: encouraging illegal conduct, was actively encouraging violence, that is incredibly 204 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: concerning because it is an abusive power. And look, everyone 205 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: views this in the context that we remember the four 206 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: years of the Trump presidency. We remember the FBI, the 207 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: intelligence community, in the Department of Justice, in the deep 208 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: state actively conspiring against the president. We remember the FBI 209 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 1: fraudulently altering a document submitting it to a federal court, 210 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: creating counterfeit. And by the way, this is not me 211 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: saying this, This is the Department of Justice Inspector General 212 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: that outlined how these deep state operatives were so passionately 213 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: anti Trump that they broke the law. And so it 214 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: does raise the question did that happen on January sixth? 215 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 1: And the fact that the Biden Department of Justice refuses 216 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: to answer is deeply, deeply concerning. And I got to say, 217 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: even for Democrats it ought to be concerning. And I'm 218 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: not going to out anybody, but I will tell you 219 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: I had a conversation with a Democratic senator today who 220 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: saw the questioning in Judiciary and he said, you know, 221 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I'd never heard of this guy 222 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: ray Apps before or that hearing. That's really troubling. And 223 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: he said, I'd like to know that answer now. I'm 224 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: not going to out this senator because it frankly he 225 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: or she would come under a lot of heat for 226 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: saying that publicly because the Democrats don't let you buck 227 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:20,119 Speaker 1: their party. But if anyone genuinely cares about the integrity 228 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 1: of law enforcement, you ought to be troubled by law 229 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: enforcement in trapping people incentivizing criminal conduct. That's not what 230 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: law enforcement is supposed to be doing. And I think 231 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: the Biden DOJ needs to have some real transparency answering 232 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: these questions. But how are we going to get an answer? 233 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: Because you, I think brought this issue and this man 234 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: ray Apps to national attention today in a way that 235 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: he had not been before. But the FBI just stonewalled 236 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: you and said, well, we're not going to tell you. Well, 237 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 1: we're not going to tell you. Well, I can't answer that, 238 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: and you know, apologies, but I don't exactly take the 239 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: FBI at their word, especially these stays, so are we 240 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: ever going to if a United States Senator in an 241 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: open hearing can't get an answer out of the FBI, 242 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: is that it We just have to believe them because 243 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: they say so. Well, it doesn't have to be. Look, 244 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: Republicans are in the minority right now in the Senate, 245 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: so I lack the ability to subpoena anything. It takes 246 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: a majority of a committee to subpoena something. If you 247 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: had even one Democrat willing to break from the herd 248 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: and say let's get an answer to that, that would 249 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: be a step in the right direction. What needs to 250 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: happen at this point, The first step we can do 251 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: is shina light. What needs to happen is we need 252 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: reporters actually do their job. We need reporters to ask 253 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: the Attorney General who has ray apps? Did you have 254 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: confidential informants? Did they incite violence? What are the details? 255 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: You need reporters to ask Democratic senators why don't you care? 256 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: Why aren't you asking this question? Why are you allowing 257 00:14:55,800 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice to stonewall We need sufficient public 258 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: uproar that the Department of Justice is forced to have 259 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: some accountability. It may take until a year from now. 260 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: A year from now, I believe we will have at 261 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: a minimum of Republican House of Representatives. We may and 262 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: I hope we'll have a Republican Senate a year from 263 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: now as well. If that happens, I very much hope 264 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: that we see a House and or a House and 265 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: Senate willing to use the subpoena power to get answers 266 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: to this. But but absent that, we've got to have 267 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: enough public attention that the Democrats are guilted or shamed 268 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: or feel enough heat that they have to answer questions 269 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: and get to the truth. I don't think that it 270 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense right now to expect bipartisanship, 271 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: because last I checked, the Democrats are trying to whip 272 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: all the votes they can to get rid of the filibuster, 273 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: to ram through the federalization of elections. You actually have 274 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: come to be the public enemy number one, at least 275 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: for the White House. They're whipping votes against you on 276 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: this issue of Nordstream two and Russia trying to build 277 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: a pipeline. So it does seem like the stakes are 278 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: very very high right now, and any Democrat who bucks 279 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: the party line is going to be thrown into the 280 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: outer darkness. Well, Michael, that's exactly right. The Biden White 281 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: House is fighting me tooth and dale on multiple fronts. 282 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: They're fighting me on January sixth, they're fighting me trying 283 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: to cover up what happened. They're fighting me on the 284 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: filibuster and their attempt to federalize elections. And they're fighting 285 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: me ironically in defense of Russia and Nordstream two. You know, 286 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: if you look at January six the other half of 287 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: the hearing this morning is I asked the Department of Justice. 288 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: I said, all right, how many people have been charged 289 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: with crimes of violence? If you assault a police officer, 290 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: if you physically assault a police officer, you should be prosecutor, 291 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: you should go to jail. Nobody should be able to 292 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: violently assault a cop. But I asked, especially if it's 293 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: a fan who's doing it. Yeah, how many people have 294 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: been charged with crimes of violence? Barbent of Justice refused 295 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: to answer. How many people have been charged with non 296 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: violent crimes? They refused to answer. I asked how many 297 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: people are currently incarcerated? They refused to answer. I asked 298 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: of those people, how many have been placed in solitary confinement, 299 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: both violent and nonviolent. They refused to answer, and then 300 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: I asked, I said, all right, let's look at a 301 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: different instance where we had violence across the country, which 302 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: were Black Lives Mattered Antifa riots all over the country. 303 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: So on January sixth, there were roughly one hundred and 304 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: forty police officers who reported assaults on January sixth. That is, 305 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: those cases involving violence need to be investigated and prosecuted. 306 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty, Black Lives Matter and Antifa riots injured 307 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: roughly seven hundred and fifty police officers nationwide, seven hundred 308 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: and fifty cops. I asked the Department of Justice, though 309 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty cops that we're injured. How many 310 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: crimes of violence have been charged? I don't know the 311 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: answer to that. How many nonviolent crimes have been charged? 312 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that. How do you 313 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: explain the differential the political partisan prosecution that anybody you 314 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: know a little old lady who came to the mall 315 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: on January sixth waving an American flag and singing God 316 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: Bless America, the Biden DOJ is going to come down 317 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: on like a ton of bricks. But some Antifa rioter 318 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: whose firebombing police cars, they can't be bothered to prosecute 319 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: and the Biden DOJ just stiff arm did the Heisman said, 320 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: we're not answering anything we don't know. There needs to 321 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: be accountability there. On the filibuster, Chuck Schumer is trying 322 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: to ram through an exception of the filibuster to federalize elections, 323 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: and in particular what he wants as a bill that 324 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: would subject any change in election laws to what's called preclarance. 325 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: Preclarance means the Department of Justice, This same politicized Department 326 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: of Justice that has no transparency, that is behaving in 327 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: nakedly partisan ways. He wants unelected bureaucrats of the Biden 328 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: Department of Justice in charge of every election of America, 329 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: and he wants them to have the ability to strike 330 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: down laws adopted by democratically elected legislature. So I represent 331 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: the state of Texas. They're twenty nine million Texans. The 332 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 1: people of the state of Texas support voter ID, support 333 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: requiring an identification to go vote. Eighty percent of Americans 334 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: support voter ID. The vast majority of African Americans support 335 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: voter ID. Well, the head of the Civil Rights Division 336 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: and Department of Justice, is a left wing activist, is 337 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: one of the leading advocates of abolishing the police in 338 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: the country. She is a hard liberal partisan, and the 339 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: Schumer Democrats are saying she should have the power to 340 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: Trump to set aside, to repeal laws that twenty nine 341 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: million Texans through the democratic process want adopted. It is 342 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: a brazen power grab, and I'm help leading the effort 343 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: to stop they're destroying the filibuster, to stop there destroying 344 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,959 Speaker 1: the integrity of elections, to fight against voter fraud because 345 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: Biden and Schumer and Pelosi have decided voter fraud is 346 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: good for Democrats. But the issue here, of course is 347 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: if we're getting back actually to the issue of ray 348 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: Apps in the investigation of the FBI, we can't do 349 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: anything until we win more elections and get a majority 350 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: in the Senate. If the Democrats grab this power, it's 351 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: going to be much much, much much harder. I think 352 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: in a lot of Democrats minds, they think it will 353 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: give them a permanent majority because they're going to be 354 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: taking all the power for running the elections. So how 355 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: urgent is this issue? Am I am? I just clutching 356 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: my pearls and waking up in a cold sweat for 357 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: no reason, or is there a genuine threat here. We're 358 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: looking at a generational kind of powagram, So listen that 359 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: there is a real threat here. On the filibuster. It 360 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: all comes down to Joe Mansion and Kirsten Cinema. So 361 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: far they have resisted ending the filibuster. What Schumer is 362 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: trying is to say, well, let's just make a limited, 363 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: narrow exception for voting rights, because voting rights are so 364 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: important to mind you. The bill he's pushing actually undermines 365 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: voting rights. It puts an unelected bureaucrat with the ability 366 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: to throw out laws adopted through voting rights through the 367 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: democratic process. So it's an anti voting rights bill. But 368 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: their rhetoric they claim it's voting rights and listen, I 369 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: don't know if the Democrats are going to do it 370 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 1: or not. They're putting massive pressure on Mansion in Cinema. 371 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: If they give into it, it will have a massive 372 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: negative effect on the integrity of elections. It will be 373 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: used to undermine voter id laws. It will be used 374 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: to undermine laws prohibiting ballot harvesting. It will be used 375 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: to undermine every reasonable, common sense law that states have 376 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: adopted to try to protect the integrity of elections. So 377 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: it is dangerous. Democrats are doing it nakedly as a 378 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: power grab. But the irony is it's a power grab 379 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: on like multiple levels. It's like an Escher painting that 380 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: it folds in itself over and over again. What they 381 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: want to do to elections is a power grab. The 382 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: way they want to do it is a power grab 383 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: because to eliminate the filibuster, they have to break the 384 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: Senate rules in order to change the Senate rules. And 385 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: you know, today I was part of a press conference 386 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: with about a dozen other Republican senators where I and 387 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 1: others had great fun reading from a Chuck Schumer's speech. 388 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: By the way, those are words that have never before 389 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: been uttered in the English language. Great fun reading from 390 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: a Chuck Schumer's speech. But it was in two thousand 391 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: and five where he was railing against some Republicans that 392 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: we're talking about ending the filibuster then, and he said 393 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: that if you break the rules to change the rules, 394 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: that it would turn America into a quote banana republic, 395 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: and that it would be quote doomsday for democracy. That 396 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: is Charles Schumer on what knooking the filibuster would mean, 397 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: and yet now he's trying banana republican doomsday for democracy 398 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: to use the Schumer words. Why look, Frankly, the real 399 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,479 Speaker 1: reason is Schumer's terrified AOC is going to primary him 400 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: from the left, and so he wants to give the 401 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: crazy left everything they can in order to show just 402 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: how tough he is. This theory, I've heard it whispered before, 403 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: but this would explain it. Because Chuck Schumer is an 404 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 1: institutionally very savvy guy. He's certainly not the most radical 405 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: of the Democrats. I can't believe you said for the 406 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: first time that you you enjoyed reading a Chuck Schumer speech. 407 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: I'm saying for the first time, I agree with Chuck 408 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: Schumer on what would happen if we repealed the filibuster. 409 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: But there is a legitimate threat from the most talked 410 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: about politician in New York, and that would be AOC. Listen, 411 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: I think he is looking over his left shoulder like crazy, 412 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: and whatever she says, if he if she says jomp, 413 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: he says how high he's in the air, and and 414 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: and and doing backflips. And by the way, I gotta say, 415 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: you know, the image of Chuck Schumer exerting himself athletically 416 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: is really a frightening thought. Um, but it is almost 417 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: complete and total that that that that that you know, 418 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: when when AOC went down to party over the holidays 419 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: and in in Miami, I expected to Schumer to show 420 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: up in in uh in a bar at Mono Keiney 421 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: just you know, partying alongside her. Thank you for putting 422 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: that image in my head. To Senator on that note, 423 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: should we bring our friend Liz back to hear from 424 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: some of our listeners in the moment, we should, And Michael, 425 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: you will wake up tonight in nightmares with the image 426 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: of Chuck and the boorat Yep, it's already there. Liz. 427 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: I just want to say, it's very mean to bring 428 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 1: me back right at that reference, to put that in 429 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: my mind. As you bring me back, you both you 430 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: both owe me for that. You both owe me for that. 431 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: We have a lot of good questions, fortunately none on 432 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: that particular topic, but we have a lot of good questions. Senator, 433 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: I want to combine this question. It's actually two questions, 434 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: one from Bill Smith and one from Linda Brown. Bill Smith, 435 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: Senator Crews also asked the question where is ray Epps? 436 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: Why doesn't Congress subpoena him to appear? And Linda Brown says, 437 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: what can be done to find out who ray Epps 438 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: is and if the FBI are in collusion with the 439 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: Democrats to instigate these riots. Well, Congress certainly could subpoena him. 440 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: An individual committee could subpoena him, but it takes a 441 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: majority on an eddy committee, and right now the Democrats 442 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: have the majority. So it would take Democrats being willing 443 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: to go along with it, and right now they're not 444 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: willing to. If the January sixth Committee were anything other 445 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: than a Democratic kangaroo court, they would subpoena him and 446 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: bring him in for public testimony. But I'm not going 447 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: to hold my breath there because that conflicts with their narrative. 448 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: In the meantime, you know, there's information about where he's from. 449 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: There's information on the internet. People are speculating. Again, I 450 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: don't know this fellow. It may be that that that 451 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: he's not. These are questions. His behavior is very curious, 452 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: and the fact that the FBI was unwilling to deny 453 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: it raises serious questions. But but it would take either 454 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: course of legal force through a subpoena, which right now 455 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: the Democrats have a monopoly on or it would take 456 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: sufficient public scrutiny that the FBI and Department of Justice 457 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: feels compelled to actually answer the questions. Right now, I 458 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: think they believe they are totally unaccountable, that there is 459 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: no there are consequences for their conduct, and that's really 460 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 1: a dangerous dynamic. Look, it's frankly what we saw earlier 461 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,719 Speaker 1: this year when Merrick Garland directed the FBI to go 462 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: after and target parents at school boards as domestic terrorists. 463 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 1: It's the same thing. It's it's abusing the political process 464 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: for partisan ends, and that's really dangerous. Yeah, I mean, 465 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: I think that's correct. Obviously, the Democrats are partisan, and 466 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: they're certainly going to be unwilling to vote in favor 467 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: of subpoenaing ray ups. The question is if the Republicans 468 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: gain control of the House of Representatives at the end 469 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: of the year, which I think most people are expecting 470 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: that Republicans will. I don't want to jinx it, but 471 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: history shows that that's very likely, and so does the 472 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: condition of the country. Do you think Republicans could possibly 473 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 1: subpoenat him at that point if if the question has 474 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: not been answered by then, yeah, I think the House representatives. 475 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: We take the House, the House could absolutely do it. 476 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: If we take the Senate, the Senate could do it also. 477 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: Now I think there's a very real chance that potentially 478 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: mister Epps might fight the subpoena. He might plead the 479 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: fifth I don't know what he would do. If Republicans 480 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: in the House or Senate tried to subpoena the Department 481 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: of Justice or the FBI, they would almost certainly fight 482 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: it in Stonewall. And I think the pattern we can 483 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: expect is similar to the pattern we saw in the 484 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: Obama Justice Department. The Obama Justice Department was heavily politicized. 485 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: We ended up ultimately seeing Eric Holder, the Attorney General, 486 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: held in contempt of Congress because he defied congressional subpoenas. 487 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,479 Speaker 1: So just winning a majority wouldn't necessarily cause the FBI 488 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: or the Department of Justice to answer the question. But 489 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: I think if we had a majority today, I would 490 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: be prepared to issue a subpoena today if it were 491 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: up to me, and I would certainly vote for that. 492 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: We'd need to get a majority willing to do so. Yeah, 493 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: and I think the American people certainly call for it, 494 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: and his behavior if he were to face that hypothetically, 495 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: it would be telling depending on what his behavior is. Okay, 496 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: the next question I think is for Michael. This is 497 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: directed to just the senator's co host, with the question 498 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: why aren't you willing? And like I said, I assume 499 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: this is Michael, why aren't you willing to have Madison 500 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: Cawthorne on your show on MSNBC. Michael, I think this 501 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: person thinks you're Rachel Maddow. You know. I was waiting 502 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: for the punchline on that. And it's a good question actually, 503 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: because Rachel Maddow has said, or her producers said in 504 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: an email that they didn't want to ask Madison Cawthorne, 505 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: the Republican congressman, for comment, because he might come on 506 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: the show. I would criticize Rachel, but we doppelgangers have 507 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: to stick together, and so I'm not going to be 508 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: throwing any stones at my MSNBC counterpart. Okay, that's a 509 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: very political answer to that. Michael. Well, that's all right. 510 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: I made that question up anyway because I thought it 511 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: was funny. Senator. Here's here's a real question for you. 512 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: This is from Real Truth Cactus, who has some of 513 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: the best questions. She says, why have we seen the 514 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: left suddenly switched the COVID messaging from inflated statistics and 515 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: fearmongering too accurate COVID information that would have gotten you 516 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: banned from Twitter a year ago. Yeah, because they're brazen 517 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: hypocrites and they realize that their policies are very unpopular. 518 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: People don't want small businesses shut down again, people don't 519 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: want their schools shut down again. Children, literally millions of 520 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: children are being hurt by these ridiculous policies, and people 521 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: are tired of the brazen mask mandates. You know, today 522 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: we had a press conference in the Senate and they're 523 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: about a dozen Republican senators there, and all the reporters 524 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,959 Speaker 1: were there, and a reporter from PBS asked me a question. 525 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: She said, all of we reporters are wearing masks. None 526 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: of you senators are wearing masks. What's wrong with you? 527 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: Why aren't you wearing masks? And I laughed at her, 528 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: and I said, because people are tired of the ridiculous 529 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: double standards we've seen. We've seen Biden say no vaccine man, 530 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: and then suddenly vaccine mandates for everyone. We've seen Biden say, 531 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: if you're vaccinated, you don't got to wear a mask, 532 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: and then suddenly everyone's got to wear a mask. We've 533 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: seen Fauci say masks don't work, and then suddenly you 534 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: need two, three four masks, And then well, I'm gonna 535 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: lie to the American people about masks because I don't 536 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: think they can handle it. We've seen the flip flops 537 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: back and forth. And I told her, I said, look, 538 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: you're a reporter. If you want to wear a mask, 539 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: you can wear a mask for the rest of your 540 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,719 Speaker 1: damn life. I don't care. But some of us actually 541 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: believe in freedom and are not going to wear a 542 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: mask for the rest of our lives. But then I 543 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: turned to her, Liz, and I said, you know what, 544 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: how come your reporters never asked Joe Biden when he's 545 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: standing at the damn podium in the White House, he's 546 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: not wearing a mask. How come you never asked Joe Biden, 547 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: wear's your mask? How come Jen Saki, the White House 548 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: Press Secretary, when she's standing at the podium, no mask. 549 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: We don't see reporters say, Miss Saki why aren't you 550 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: wearing a mask because you guys are a bunch of 551 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: partisan hypocrites. She didn't like that answer. No, I bet 552 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: she didn't. I personally would like if the press would 553 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: question Biden about not just why he doesn't wear a 554 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: mask at the podium, but why he does wear a 555 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: mask on the beach by himself outdoors when he's walking 556 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: his dog, because that one, that one will blow your mind. 557 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: I tell you that one's the craziest. Okay, next question 558 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: is from a New a New Verdict plus community at 559 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: member Padre Boston. I happen to know that this is 560 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: a Catholic priest in Boston. Padre Boston says, Senator, can 561 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: doctor Fauci be forced out by a Republican dominated Congress? 562 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: That's actually a good question. By a Congress is tough 563 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: because the executive power has the power of hiring and firing. 564 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: So Fauci, as far as I know, is not currently 565 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: in a Senate confirmed position, so he doesn't require Senate confirmation. 566 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: I assume I haven't studied this, but I assume the 567 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: Secretary of HHS could fire Fauci, or the President could 568 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: direct that he be fired. Congress could put a lot 569 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: of heat on the administration. Congress could, I suppose, theoretically 570 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: try to attach something like an appropriation writer to legislation. 571 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: I've never seen that targeting a particular individual that would 572 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: almost surely be challenged in litigation if you tried so. 573 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: The principal thing Congress could do is shine a light 574 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: on Fauci's repeated contradictions, on his abusive power, on his hypocrisy, 575 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: and on what appears on the face of it to 576 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: be his committing of a federal crime lying to Congress 577 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: about whether the federal government funded gain a function research 578 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And that's a lying 579 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: to Congress as a federal crime, a felony punishable by 580 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,719 Speaker 1: up to five years in prison. I've asked about that, 581 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: I've shined the light on that, I've pressed on that. 582 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: But the problem is, look, under our constitution, we got 583 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: three branches a government legislative, executive, judicial. Only the executive 584 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: can prosecute Fauci for lying to Congress, and at least 585 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: right now the Biden doj they ain't gonna do it. 586 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,879 Speaker 1: Forget about the law. Politics trumps everything, sadly with this administration, 587 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,439 Speaker 1: and that's part of the problem with the administrative state 588 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: is Congress should have more power than they have, but 589 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: they legislated away. They legislated away using vague, vague wording 590 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: in pieces of legislation that just defers this rulemaking to 591 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,479 Speaker 1: these agencies. And these bureacrats are unaccountable to the American people. 592 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: They are in positions that it's difficult to fire them. 593 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: This is one of the problems, one of the many 594 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: problems with the administrative state. Senator, this isn't work. This 595 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: is a fun question. This is a question that reminds 596 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: me of what one of the audience members at Texas 597 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: a and m asked you about your home state of Texas. 598 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: This person's user name is ssnyh. He asks, would Ted 599 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: be willing to moderate a Texas governor's debate before the primary? 600 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: That's an awfully good question. It's a lively question. You know, 601 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't do that. I'm friends with all the 602 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: people running for governor. Greg Abbott has been a good friend. 603 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: He was my boss five and a half years. There's 604 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: enough contentious dispute. I'm supporting Abbott because he has been 605 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: a close friend and supporter for decades. So you probably 606 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: shouldn't have a moderator who's taken a position in a 607 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 1: race senator, senator that has never stopped a moderator before. 608 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 1: Obvious an overt bias and personal relationship. I think that's 609 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 1: just the part for the course at this point. So actually, Mike, 610 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: I'd remind me when when Chris Wallace moderated the debate 611 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: between Trump and Biden, was Wallace actually wearing a Biden 612 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 1: tshirt with a giant foam finger that said number one? 613 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he was like wearing the same shirt 614 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: we see on illegal aliens crossing the border now, and 615 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: you know, with a giant foam cowboy hat. You know, 616 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,240 Speaker 1: Biden's Biden's cheerleader. Yeah, I mean you're thinking of Candy 617 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: Crowley surely, or someone from CNN who's giving questions Dhillary Clinton. 618 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: Let's not get confuser. I personally don't believe that there 619 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: is someone who isn't bias. Anybody who follows politics has 620 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: an opinion, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. 621 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: I think, in fact, sometimes owning up to bias makes 622 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: it makes it more fair because then your audience can 623 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 1: control for your bias. But I thought that was a 624 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: fun question, So, Liz, I was going to jump in 625 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: on the question of debate bias real briefly. One change 626 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: I've actually suggested in how presidential debates happen is two 627 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: stage Number one, Republican primary debates in the presidency should 628 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: only be moderated by people who intend to vote in 629 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: a Republican primary. So if you're a lefty journalist, if 630 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: you want every Republican to lose, you shouldn't be a 631 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,760 Speaker 1: moderator every primary. A condition for to be a moderator, 632 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: as you have to say, I'm going to vote in 633 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: the Republican primary. I'm making this choice as well. Secondly 634 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 1: in the general election. Obviously that's not an option when 635 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: you have a Democrat and a Republican. Is what you 636 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: just said about everyone's biased, Rather than pretend they're not, 637 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: I would open it, and I would have one left 638 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 1: wing moderator and one right wing moderator, so I you know, 639 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: I would have um, you know, Chris Hayes and Mark Levine. 640 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,919 Speaker 1: I'd have Rachel Maddow and Michael Knowles that they could 641 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: be separated at birth and and and and just have 642 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 1: them own it completely. They'd have to wear name tags 643 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: to differentiate Michael, do you have the glasses like her? 644 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 1: You got the haircut, but do you have the like 645 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: big dark black glasses. I'm not joking. Ben Shapiro told 646 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: me I couldn't wear my glasses anymore because I looked 647 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 1: too much like a certain MSNBC host. That is not 648 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: a joke, and so everything is just blurring. Lest I 649 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: be confused, That's okay. 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