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Speaker 1: mall it's right now and the Wings of Fire at

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00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: the mall? Where was the spot the Wings is fired? Bro,

423
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: I just remember where I was. The shrimp is nice

424
00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 1: to Buffalo Stramp. I know you Buffalo Trump who does

425
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: Virginia But it's really nice. But yeah, so that's where

426
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: the mall sits. Now. That was the first That was

427
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: my nineteen eighty six, that was my first singing show

428
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: with men and that was first ment's first outing where

429
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 1: you guys called yeah men condition Yeah from the rep

430
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 1: from the rep. Yeah, we got put the names in

431
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: there and you know, trying to figure out what we

432
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: want to you know. And the group was created in

433
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: high school first. Yeah, so it had a couple of

434
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: different iterations. Um, but we're saying, you know, nineteen eighty

435
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: nine was really the core, really got it going, you know. Then, Uh,

436
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 1: the guy Kenny the drummer, he was in the Hunters,

437
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: another Calf from Milwaukee who played bass and who am

438
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting? Don't kill me? Now spend a minute? Um oh,

439
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: and of course Roger Roger Troupman. So Roger Lynch, he

440
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: was thirteen when I met him. Amazing, ye had Roger Truman. Yeah,

441
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: Roger Lynch resting pieces has passed on, but yeah, he

442
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: was amazing talent, amazing talent. So um he went off

443
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: to do some stuff with his father at some point,

444
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: so we had lost him and the two gentlemen coming

445
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: behind him, you know, Kenny. Something happened to Kenny too,

446
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: so we lost the drummer, you know you and often

447
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: did whatever. And Carrie and Jeff Kerry Lewis and Jeff

448
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: Fallen were the next one. They were younger than that's

449
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: by the year two. And when't we just get them,

450
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: you know and just scarry doing some amazing stuff. When

451
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: the students all coming through the school, all coming through

452
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: that same same Paul Central. Wow, So there's a lot

453
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: of talent there, a lot of people doing an amazing things.

454
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: So that's what we call a core fromin condition as

455
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: we know it is. The world knows it. And yeah,

456
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: that was that was the first How did you feel

457
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: your for your first time singing lead in front of

458
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: how many people? To three hundred people? Well, the first

459
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: time that first show was that was probably eighteen hundred people.

460
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: Oh you jump right into the first show. It was

461
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: whatever we had. It was a big room. Yeah, yeah,

462
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: it was a big room. I think that. And we

463
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: only played like maybe ten fifteen minutes, like three songs.

464
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: It was a blur, you know. I think I was

465
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: so hyped, and there's footage of it. It's my curl

466
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: and everything else. I was breed too. I had the

467
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: asymmetrical cutting back and yeah, all right. Our outfits was crazy.

468
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: I mean it was we was real breed, so we

469
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: had it's there, but it is, yeah, I mean, it's

470
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: it's it's how we all got here. So it's outfit.

471
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: It looked like something from Star Trek. Black and Goal

472
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: had like these uh fringes cut one looked like it

473
00:28:55,200 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: was this foul leather. The other side were just net.

474
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: For some reason, I don't know, some of the shirts

475
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: that did Jamaicans we were one of Lake was net

476
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: a net leg and then some reason some of us

477
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: was like alsasua all away man no drawls, no, no, no, no,

478
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: that's not where I thought this is. It's like we

479
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: went we went when cold Minnesota, so I had no

480
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like we're just going for it, trying

481
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: to trying to find the edge, trying to find the ledge.

482
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody at the time was you know Jesse Johnson,

483
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: remember the Jets had big, a lot of people. Man,

484
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: it was just like you know, I just remember we

485
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: started with art. It was just back to the audience.

486
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: It was just a thing out there in Minnesota. It

487
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: was just like how far can we push it? How far?

488
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: What I mean if you if you think back to

489
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: this was happening everywhere. Everybody had it was on another

490
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: level because again for sure with me in the chapter

491
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: me like y'all, y'all, y'all took it there, took us

492
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: close off, y'all, y'all, y'all want to go see right

493
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: right right here? Bring the horse? Was there was there

494
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: pressure in a sense in Minnesota like this is what

495
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: we own that I'm from Minnesota. It's like if you

496
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: was from California in the eighties you had a cherry curl,

497
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's yeah, yeah, everybody had to have curl,

498
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, so that's that's what

499
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying by that, like with being from

500
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: Minnesota is just like, well, because you even said it

501
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: in the first performances, it's like, are we even doing enough? Right, yeah,

502
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: because they pushing the lemits out here. Yeah. Yeah, but

503
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: that that was more when I said I felt like

504
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: we weren't doing enough. It just seemed like what we

505
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: were doing the applause didn't match. It was like we

506
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: felt like I had a little shot yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

507
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: I think that. Yeah, yeah, that's what it was, probably

508
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: like something else, you know, I don't even know how

509
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: it was just going there and at the time too, so, um,

510
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: the person who made if you look at the Rude

511
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: Boyd how Prince had it was it was one of

512
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: the outfits that he had on was at the Controversiy album.

513
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: There was a lady who actually made his close. She

514
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: used to actually manage us, so she sold those. Uh

515
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: and that was that's Andre Anderson Andrew Simone's sister Sylvia

516
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: and shout out Sylvia and uh yeah, so it was

517
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: we were going there, man, it need to get her

518
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: on the podcast. Yeah, that was made Prince's clothes and

519
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: management condition. Wow you are a leg Yeah, she was

520
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: something else. It's amazing. So yeah, that was that was

521
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: that was a moment and looking back at that foot

522
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, what was on? It was? Yeah,

523
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: it was it was you guys are signed to Jam

524
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: and Lewis. Shit, no, so check it out. They were

525
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: in the audience at that first show. They were there

526
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: the first show Jam and Lewis in the audience. That's right.

527
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: I mean this you're talking about who's who in Minneapolis,

528
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: the whole thing. And mind you, at that time, Minnapolis

529
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: was so hot, like people were coming from everywhere, you know,

530
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: to La New York Shire. They were coming and I'm like, wow,

531
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,239
Speaker 1: this is crazy, man. So yeah, they're there. And I

532
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: remember Um Sylvia manager at the time, had asked Terry Um,

533
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: well what do you think you know, I always tease

534
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: terrybody now like and he was like, well, they need work.

535
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, yeah we thought we was. I

536
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: don't know what we thought. It was, like I said,

537
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: it was a blur to me. It was just like

538
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: I was just so hyped and it was like it

539
00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: was just let's just go out here and do it.

540
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: And that was it, you know, just leave it alone.

541
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: Those notes is gone, can't do anything. Don't think about

542
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: it or I shouldn't did this is yeah? You know,

543
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: that was it. So yeah, it was, it was. It

544
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 1: was something, man. So the footage is out there, no

545
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: no, no no where. It ain't hard. It ain't hard to find.

546
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: It ain't hard to find. So how do you get

547
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: from how do you get from? They neque work too,

548
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: we should sign it whatever. Well, um, so from there, um,

549
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: there are a few things that happened. I'm still I

550
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: was always very active, playing different bands and one time

551
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: I was maybe in eight nine different bands one time

552
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: just love playing yeah, you know, and playing drums that

553
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: kind of thing, and we're trying to put together demos

554
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: and that kind of thing. It was interrupted and I

555
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: was seeing the nineteen eighty eight, eighty seven, eighty eight,

556
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: I had gotten a call from a friend to do

557
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: this tour with opening for I was playing for this

558
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: guy named George Pettis, and uh, we're gonna be opening

559
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: for Whitney. And it was an expansive and just just

560
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 1: a huge tour in Europe, Moment of Truth tour. And

561
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: so that took me out for about I don't know,

562
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: three four months, whatever it was, and that was an

563
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: amazing experience just get to really see on that level

564
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: the world, to see not only the world, but just

565
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: to watch her, to watch the musicians. He's gonna get

566
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: to this was like eighty seven, eighty eight. Yeah, she

567
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: was all the way up. Yeah, it was. It was

568
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: the Whitney that week, knowing love and all of that,

569
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: and it was it was. It was amazing, you know,

570
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: still thinking about it, and now I have some vivid memories,

571
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: so you know us and at the end of the

572
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: tour singing with her that kind of just jam session

573
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And so many people that I met,

574
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, some people I see on TV that are executives.

575
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: Now I'm like, wow, people moving this industry, and like,

576
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: it's amazing to see that. But m that was a

577
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: great experience for me just to see how it's done,

578
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, how they're moving, how the business and backup

579
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: because I was always very aware and keen on that's

580
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: like what are they doing? Okay, after you get off stage,

581
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: what do you do? How do they you know what

582
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: I mean that kind of thing. So it was just

583
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: really really great time. So there is that comeback to Minneapolis,

584
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: Saint Paul and we start putting it together, put together

585
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: a demo four songs. Pretty Roney's was one of them,

586
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: and that was one of the songs was one of

587
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: the songs. Yeah, actually all four songs were on the

588
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: first album. But the funny thing is, like a lot

589
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: of executive he took him in the MCA, We took

590
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 1: him to you know a lot of different labels, and

591
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: matter of fact, we came out here in Actually, I

592
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: need to back up. This was before the chore that,

593
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, so with Kenny Young and you know, Roger Troutman,

594
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: Roger Lynch. I should saying we actually came out here before.

595
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: It was like it was eighty six. So the year

596
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: after graduating, in search of a deal, and we had

597
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: these songs and they're like man, this is uh, this

598
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: is good stuff. Man, with everybody would ask us, well

599
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: why are you here. We're like what do you mean

600
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: everything's happening back in Minneapolis, you know, because it was

601
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: like wow, but this is La So and uh yeah,

602
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: but um, you know he probably need to go back home,

603
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: and you know, it's like wow. So that was kind

604
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: of crazy. So we stayed out here. We were in Altadena.

605
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: You know, I'm staying with a friend of a friend,

606
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: and I got my wallet stone and everything. We just

607
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: like had the this is a mess and so I

608
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: had to mention that just because uh, that trip here

609
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: we were knocking on A and M stories actually saw

610
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: Jam and Lewis, so, Jam um out in west? What's

611
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: the coed West? It's a place by UCLA Colton. What's what?

612
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: What's what is? What's what? Okay? Yeah, And it was

613
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: kind of you know how you see somebody in a

614
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: different place and you're like, I know you. Yeah, yeah,

615
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: so he knew. We say, hey, Jam, blah blahlah, you know,

616
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: we out here trying to search your deal was like okay,

617
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: yeah cool. It just kind of like the little brush

618
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: off thing with me. He meant well, but he was

619
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: just like my hand. And when we got home, he

620
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: was like, we've seen him beginnings, Like I knew, I knew, y'all.

621
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm sorry, you just were out of place.

622
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: It just didn't you know, it didn't put it together.

623
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, we're knocking on the endems doors seeing Jam

624
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: and then out here and then so fast forward to

625
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: getting back to creating the demo excuse me, and we

626
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: had those four songs and everybody's like, well, you know,

627
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: we don't hear a singer. We don't hear it. We

628
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: don't hear it. That kind of thing. So we started

629
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: singing pretty and at that The demo is still for me,

630
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: still better than the actual album. It's like the demos

631
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: like eight minutes long. We were all the weight. It

632
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: was just like really really spiritual. It was just yeah,

633
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: it was I remember having the lights off and the

634
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: little o're herstal space and it was just yeah, it

635
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: was a thing. And so we uh you had those

636
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: four songs were on there, man, and we decided to

637
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: put together like a little package and then we invited people,

638
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: invited Prince out, somebody from MCA, Jam and Lewis, and

639
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: we played at First Avenue. It said, you know, the

640
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: club made famous by purple ring Prince, and so we

641
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: did that and we used to start to start to

642
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: show off with Praddy Browns because it was just one

643
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: of those things that capture your attention like yeah, yeah,

644
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: you know, I almost scare you, yeah yeah, and a

645
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: parent that yeah, and then it started off and that

646
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: was um that was in. We did it. It It was

647
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: a showcase. And then that was oh so that was

648
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 1: a gentleman by the name of Michael Bland Prince drummer. Yeah, yeah,

649
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: so he was in. He was actually supposed to be

650
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: a part of the group. But you know, Prince and

651
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: asked him at the same time, so he went to

652
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: go do the new part generation with princes so many

653
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: there's so many things that you know, So that was

654
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: we only in a rehearsal session. So Lawrence, Jeffrey and myself,

655
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: Yeah this and he just started humming no nah and

656
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: just one of those things just kind of the lyrics

657
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: comedy was really simple, and you know, just kind of

658
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: as we kept playing it started adding parts and making

659
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: it more dynamic. So by the time we got to

660
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: the studio, it was you know, it was almost like

661
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: you're bringing to the stage, bringing the stage to the studio,

662
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, instead of a lot of times you recorded music,

663
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I mean. So I think

664
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: with recording that is a more honest way from uh

665
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: in the essence, that's what you're trying to capture a moment,

666
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: trying to capture a performance. That's where recordings came from.

667
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: I think m capturing somebody alive, you know, And now

668
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: we do it in a more contrived way. We try

669
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: to perfect a great moment over you know what I mean.

670
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: Father would say as backwards yeah, yeah, school, but I

671
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: mean that's what that's what we do now. So I mean,

672
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: that's what we captured. And I think that's even we

673
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: actually went in and did it in the studio, it's

674
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: still captured. There was something with that about that song,

675
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: about the vibration of it, the notes, the chords, just

676
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: the emotion of it, and just it transcended, you know,

677
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: it was definitely much bigger than us. So the effect

678
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: that it still has impacts, so I'm really thankful for that,

679
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 1: you know, an amazing impact. Yeah, man, every night. Wow, Yeah,

680
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: that's I mean, you don't matter where you at when

681
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: that record comes on, you stop if it comes on

682
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: while you're listening to the radio. Yeah, you do not change,

683
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: you turn up, turn It's it's one of those. It's

684
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: it's crazy because I was like, how do you feel

685
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 1: when you were as you know, I wish I knew

686
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna sound weird? What I sounded like? I hear

687
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: me Sometimes I can't explain it. I wish people I

688
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: knew what people here because I don't. Well you should

689
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: probably look on the internet and see you see him

690
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: trying to see it. That's what they hear, but it

691
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 1: ain't and I hear it's like, I wish I knew

692
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: what they were here. When they hear the stor challenge coming,

693
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: I'll take care of it. Yeah, yeah, and you will see. Yeah.

694
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: And I didn't mean to throw you off from from

695
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 1: where you know you were you were talking about the showcase. Yes,

696
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: I definitely I got to hear the full story of

697
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: how that got prints in the house. Yes, what what

698
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: he brought? He brought a representative, so he did. He said, UM,

699
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: bring the tape back. I'd rather see them than here,

700
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: because you know, he's definitely about visual And I remember

701
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: at the end of the performance, I was walking through

702
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: my car across the street. I see jam and Lewis

703
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: and they were like, hey, stop, great job, we'll talk

704
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: next week. I'm like, I can't even think anything of it,

705
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: because at that time it was like, you know, people

706
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: say stuff, and you know, I'm just glad that they

707
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: came out, you know. And about a week or two later,

708
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: we're in Flight Time Studio and in the conference room, like,

709
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: you know, what do y'all want to do. It's like,

710
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: we want to make records, and you know, we'd like

711
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: to produce at least half the hour, isn't They're like

712
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: you guys can do the whole damn thing if you want.

713
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: We're like what we okay, yeah, but I'm sure they

714
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: knew what it was coming from a band. Being in

715
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: a band, want to express your stuff like we get it,

716
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: we got you. And that was the beginning of the

717
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: whole Were there other offers from that night or were

718
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: they were the only offer? Prince as he thought, He's like,

719
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: they were really good, but there wasn't you know, he

720
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: had so much going on at the time, you know,

721
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: I think so we didn't really hear anything back, uh MCA.

722
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: I think was more you know, they're like, well, there

723
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: were so many groups like that at the time, that

724
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: kind of Minneapolis kind of vibe. You know, though I

725
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: could tell that there's like, man, there were so many

726
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: people who had that out if you think about the

727
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: eighties from my perspective, at least, it was like like

728
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: when you heard I was listening to face talk about

729
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: the influence the Minneapolis thing, you know, and being breathing

730
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, you know, and just there was

731
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: a sound you know, the Oberheim DMX drum machine, the

732
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: keyboard staff that you know, all these there was a

733
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: moment and I think mini Apoleis had, in my opinion,

734
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: a lot to do with that just how I think.

735
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: I think as it pertains to the area, it was

736
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: absolutely more so an influx of it. But as it

737
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: pertained to the industry from outside looking in, there was

738
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: no man condition. I had never seen anything like making

739
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: it there was. You know, I feel like I've seen

740
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 1: a lot in this music business. I had never seen

741
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: the main condition me personally at all. It's interesting still,

742
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: I feel like y'all want on one. Yeah, to this day,

743
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: I think so it's um. When we were coming in,

744
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: you gotta remember it was changing because people were trying

745
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: to be more cost effective. So bands were on the

746
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: way out. We're the out of ball out. So Joe

747
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: to see Voice of Men, you know, it was a

748
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: moment because I remember all these radio stations people go to.

749
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: Their thing was can we sing for you? Can we

750
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: sing for you? Was like it was that was the thing?

751
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: Because I think it was who was it. Michael Bevins

752
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: was telling the story of how a group of somebody's like,

753
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: well how did you guys got put on what they

754
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: sang for you? That kind of thing. So everybody started

755
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: doing that, you know, and but we were like, Okay,

756
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: we're a band, we do they have this whole thing,

757
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, So we kind of got caught up and

758
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: that until we started distancings, a distancing ourselves away from

759
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, the rest of the pack. You're like, all

760
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: you guys are actually saying, but your actual band, you're

761
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: self contained, you know. But that's what we saw, you know,

762
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: growing up. That's what we wanted to be seen. How

763
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: players you know, earth Wind EtuH six, the business of

764
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: that work. Well, the best way to me and for

765
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: all of us because we've seen you know, the great bands,

766
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,479
Speaker 1: the things that broke those bands up with economics of course,

767
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: we've seen horn back, the great horn bands go from

768
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: ten to eight to five to three, and at some point,

769
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, just time moves on and it's just you

770
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: can't compete with that, the economics of life and you know,

771
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: the things that you need and if you shit ain't hidden,

772
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: you know, that's yeah, that's so um so the best

773
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 1: way to split, Yeah, and I'm lucking know what, it'll

774
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: work itself out and jail. I mean, we just really

775
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: committed and at that time we were really artists, right,

776
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean for an art section really

777
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: he's really wanted and everything will take care of yourself.

778
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: We just really cared about the music. Anybody you want

779
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: to get into your mind? Oh boy lord, your top five?

780
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: Oh lord, don't top five, don't do it. You got

781
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: top five, don't do it? Do top five? Who is

782
00:46:50,840 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: your top five? Top lord? Y'all just dead or alive?

783
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: Dead are alive? Top five R and B singers dead

784
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: are alive? Yeah, y'all. You know, y'all the new meme

785
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: of the two R and B niggers trying to each other. Yeah,

786
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: you know exactly what I'm talking about too, when they

787
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: got like the comedian did that, y'all? Yeah, oh man,

788
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: oh lord, this is always people's come on, this is

789
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: in the moment right now, just because whoever, I can't

790
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: think of this? No, yeah, um man, Joel LeVert, come on.

791
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: Joe LeVert is definitely and think I've spent some time

792
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: and he's just yeah, the teddy bear roll around on

793
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: the ground, but he's he can. And why I say

794
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: that too, just because I've seen him perform so much

795
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: and he what it's like. He's always consistent, you know,

796
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: I always no, And I remembers one time backstage he

797
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: was doing something. He had to show together something. He's like,

798
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: oh man, I'm tiring, man, let me go on here,

799
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: roll around on the ground. And he did. I was like,

800
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: oh wow, that's yeah. I mean it's yeah. So yeah, Gerald,

801
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: uh you gotta put Steve in there. Yeah, yeah, you know,

802
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: um you did so much. Luther's another one tone placement, articulation.

803
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: I mean, just classic vocal, classic vocal, you know, tuxedo vocal.

804
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, I like the carpenterice m You're

805
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: like pop mart you know it was Yeah, if that's

806
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: kind of like maybe a side m a subtitle, it's

807
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: like a garnish Yeah. Look, yeah she called him cilantro good.

808
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't like cilantric yes, but yeah,

809
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: you know if you listen to the I mean what

810
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: they do pieces in there that are like, oh man,

811
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: just crazy, got you? Yeah, I mean Karen Carpenter drummer too.

812
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: You know, she played drums that. Yes, there's smoke footage o.

813
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: Um who else? So how do you even young Michael?

814
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I love you get what I'm saying, wrong, Okay,

815
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, but that was what we grew up on.

816
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,479
Speaker 1: That's that was the influence. That was just so how

817
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: how young was Michael when he's saying right right, whose

818
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: soul was that? Who do that? Who does? He's too

819
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: young to do that? Note like that? Like you'd been

820
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: through he thought he powdering with his note? He do

821
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 1: about powders? Who are you doing? Attitude like his attitude

822
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: from Paul. You've been in a relationship before it wasn't

823
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: no pro tools. Yeah, yeah, that's tough right now with technology.

824
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: I feel like he I feel like he dumbed it

825
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: down as he got older. He made it. He made

826
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: it fully digest well, and I want to go step further.

827
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: He abandoned being a singer to become a stylist, hm,

828
00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: to create a style of singing, because had he just

829
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: been a singer, You've been a great singer. But everybody's

830
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 1: a singer. There are very few people who are stylists

831
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: who actually creates something so unique that if anybody else

832
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: does it, it's like you're trying to be like Michael Jackson.

833
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: You do that right, there's no way, dude, Like there's

834
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: really good at this huh right? And pretty pretty flawless. Yeah,

835
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 1: I do. Sometimes I can't count over them. You count

836
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: you counting up you Absolutely right though, absolutely right. Yeah,

837
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: And it was the genius in him to do that,

838
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: like to beat too as a purist of completely abandoned

839
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: being one of the best singers out there, I mean,

840
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: arguably Michael Jackson and Stevie one of the best kids

841
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: singers of all time? Are you kidding me? Right? Yeah?

842
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: Campbell and Jasmine m I can't, I can't. Jack Selim

843
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: was fourteen singing like that, so he was already grown men.

844
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: Come on, Yeah, that's a that's a different that's a

845
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: different league they are, but they all they all stayed

846
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: true to their vocal Mike, Mike, he veered off. I

847
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: mean he's an alien. I mean you have to figure

848
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: I mean, just his upbringing, just the time that he

849
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: was born, everything. There's nobody like that ever. I just

850
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 1: want to know why. I wish man I pray because

851
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: that is like the day we were supposed to go

852
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: see him. M That's when all and and he had

853
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 1: invited Jamie to go out there, and we were rehearsing

854
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: with Jamie is supposed to go out there, and I

855
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: was like, I hope I get to ask him why,

856
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: like why me God? And sing? Right? Yeah, So much

857
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: passion in that. Man, I'm percussion very much. He so much,

858
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: very much in that. Why very much do that? Because

859
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: I remember I remember Genuine I was singing we're doing

860
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 1: TDT and Harvey was in there and he was like, yeah,

861
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: just just ad libine I was going. He said yeah,

862
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: and jeh. Harvey was like, what is that? And so

863
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: he stopped. He's like, He's like, man, like, what makes

864
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: you do that? And and Genuine didn't get it. He

865
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: was like, man, that's just why. I say, Man, what

866
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: you're saying? Like he thought he was he was this,

867
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: I said, I said no, no, I said, gee, he's

868
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: like enamored by the fact that you have your own

869
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: ad lib. Yeah, like that nobody else. He's like, Harvey

870
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: was like, what made you do that? What made you

871
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: create that? Like I love that? And I was like,

872
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: I was like, he's our stylist. I was like, that's

873
00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: why we need That's why I was like when I

874
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: was when I was in with Harvard we were formulating

875
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: the background structure, I said, I said, Genuine has to

876
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: lead because he's our stylist in the group. He's the

877
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna make us recognizable, right right, you know,

878
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: what's what I'm saying, like you're styless? Yeah what it

879
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: call it? Sonic icon? Sonic icons, Yeah, sonic icon. Thank you?

880
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: Something just stole that. Yeah yeah, this is Stokely's sonic Icon.

881
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: That's an award. Yeah yeah, yeah, right, yeah, that's an award.

882
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:40,919
Speaker 1: Yeah you will, you will receive first and then wow, okay,

883
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:45,919
Speaker 1: I gotta say too. As far as Beyonce, I love

884
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: all stuff. She's done something. The way her voice is

885
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: now after the kids, because you know when when the

886
00:54:52,440 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: voice after Lemonade, Beyonce got different. Man, the tone of yeah,

887
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's just just so much. It's more season.

888
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: It's more season. And I think you know you she was,

889
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: she was, she was. She's a pristine and curated artist,

890
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's so amazing with a

891
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: lot of big artists, like things are protected and things

892
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: are like, you know, let's just you know, let's keep

893
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: it here. You know what I'm saying. It's very and

894
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: I think that Lemonade album she let us in, Yeah, absolutely,

895
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: and let her hair down. Yeah you can feel that,

896
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 1: you feel all the other stuff was great because we

897
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: knew when she was younger, Like I remember hanging out

898
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: with I don't know where we were prints a matter

899
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: of fact, you like she was still on the come

900
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: up kinds like we're talking about something. I just remember

901
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 1: him saying, yeah, didn't you hear that Beyonce? I remember that?

902
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 1: Just that, So you know that's gonna be something special,

903
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? It's that Beyonce and I

904
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: think people I have this argument all the time, like

905
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, you guys don't know the half of what

906
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: Beyonce is capable of. I get that you got way

907
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: more in her bag. Oh you don't you know it?

908
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: You know it? You know because because we know the instrument,

909
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: we can hear her. That's right. It's build it correctly.

910
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: That's right, because if she really let loose when she

911
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: did that out of James. Come on, so y'all, now

912
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a glimpse, just a taste, but this one. Okay,

913
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: here we go. I don't know no songs. Many do, Yes,

914
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: you do? You got you gang up too? So your

915
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: green steal in love? Okay? Quick? Quick? Was you know

916
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: vocally that? Uh? And my stuff will be kind of

917
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: all over place. Test of the task at Ella Fitzgerald, Wow,

918
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: because yeah, he's one of my favorite um house is

919
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: not a home Luther. Yeah, just we know what that

920
00:56:55,080 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: does for me. I do like Princess beautiful ones. Mm hmmm,

921
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 1: that's yeah, something the emotion and that it just took

922
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: me somewhere still. Um Freddy Brown Ice Man, I was waiting, Yeah,

923
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: I was. I sang it even though I sang it.

924
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: So know what I mean. I gonna I'm gonna invite

925
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,439
Speaker 1: you just I'm gonna invite you to a dude whop.

926
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: Invite you to a dude whop my gardner fly guy,

927
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: go around the country and do some of the craziest

928
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: R and B parties all night, R and B all

929
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: night for five hours. Whoa, and you will see what

930
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: that record, What that record does, Wall wall every time,

931
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: every time. Wow, you don't miss Hi, Come in, Tank,

932
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: how to song? Come in? What are y'all doing down there?

933
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: Oh lord? Oh my god, you better shut up? We

934
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: got next. We're gonna do R and B voltron Okay,

935
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: So I need to know who you're gonna get the

936
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: vocal from, who you're gonna get the performance style from,

937
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: who you're gonna get the styling from, and who you're

938
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: gonna get the passion of the artists from. So let's

939
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: start with the vocal. Whose vocal are you snapch y'all? Rough? Yeah, yeah, trenches,

940
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: I love it money yeah yeah. Okay, so the vocal,

941
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: that's the first one. First one, God, man, I can't

942
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: do a hybrid because you know, oh man, okay, you

943
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: stokely man. We let you, you know, we you can

944
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: live if you want to do a hybrid of if

945
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: you want to, if you want to blend. Brother like,

946
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: we're not arguing with you about no saying I'm gonna.

947
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: I would just say just so I can cover all

948
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: of it. H uh. Stevie Van Stevie Van Draws. That's

949
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: other to be some new rappers like who yeah, Stevie

950
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: Van Drop Van Draws, Steve Steve iced uff grilling, iceduff,

951
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:44,439
Speaker 1: grilled per signing. He's like signing. He's like a big

952
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: worm with a rapper. You have principalities, right, that's the vocal. Yeah,

953
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: that's great hybrid. You know I could get the tone,

954
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: you get all the other stuff and musicality. Yeah, who

955
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: are you getting? The the performance style? Prince Davis, Prince

956
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: and Sammy Davis. Mmm, he's really making a hybrid. Vote

957
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: think about it, because you talk. You talk about performance.

958
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: You know what Prince did, He's great. Sammy Davis is

959
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: the template, He's he's one for everyone. Trumpet, drums, vibes, piano, comedian, dancing, yeah, everything, Yeah, yeah,

960
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: but more, come on, He's the first Jamie Fox styling

961
01:00:47,800 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: the show drip, who got that? Daiki Washington be killing, yeah, becoming. Yeah,

962
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go with a classic and again I

963
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: gotta go with you're from Minnesota. Huh, You're from Minnesota

964
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: expecting something wild? I mean the oppostion somebody gonna say

965
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: prints or something. Yeah, I mean that's that's like there

966
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: are parts of that that I do like, some stuff

967
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't work with. But yeah, um, I don't

968
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: know what person that would be. I guess he would

969
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: be in some ways. Yeah, But then I have the

970
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: just classic side, like a Sammy Davis as well. I

971
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: do like that suits just well tailored, you know what

972
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: I mean. You talk about R and B, you talk

973
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: about like how James Brown is like they had a

974
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: certain way, certain air about them. You know, suits suit

975
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: it up. Yeah. So so maybe maybe I'll say James

976
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: Brown because I think he embodied a lot of that,

977
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: a lot of the pride mixed all of that, even

978
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: even things that Prince true Yeah Chile, Yeah, so ja

979
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: from Yeah yeah, James Brown was Yeah, he was out

980
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: there with it. Yeah for sure. Who are you getting

981
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: the passion from? So m I gotta go back to

982
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: Mike again when I think about intention and passion and

983
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: just everything we talked about, just like feeling it. You

984
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: can see it in his face intense that you know

985
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: what I mean, Just why he was singing with you know,

986
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: so he fired a nigga while he was singing with

987
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: a what are you going to and what are you

988
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: gonna do? You gonna do like you fired? That was great.

989
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: I wish Edd would have been out right back. That

990
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: was great. We got a very important segment of the show. Yeah,

991
01:02:54,320 --> 01:03:00,439
Speaker 1: him up the piano saying, it's kind of ain't saying

992
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: on that. I ain't saying no name. Where you've been,

993
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: who you with, what you did, and what you ain't

994
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: so in this second, as you've seen on this show,

995
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: because you watched the show, Yes, tell us a story

996
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: funnier fucked up about something that happened to you, you

997
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: know during your time in this business. Not only thing

998
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: ain't no name, ain't no names everything else? Do you mean? Listen?

999
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: You can, you can. You can identify things and people,

1000
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: you just can't say their name. They must remain nameless.

1001
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: Story funny? Are fucked up? Are funny and fucked up?

1002
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. So it's funny to me. I have

1003
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: a weird sense of humor. We all do. You may

1004
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: not be funny somebody else, but in the moments of

1005
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: me or this is the legends, the legend stokely man condition,

1006
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: Minnesota's own. I ain't saying on that. Oh man, uh,

1007
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: I wasn't prepared for you. And I watched the show

1008
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 1: and I shit and told this was coming. They want

1009
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: to have something together. I'm just I'm trying to think

1010
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: of something dynamic because I've had so many great cameras, digits.

1011
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: You'll have had some great moments cameras in digital. Yeah,

1012
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: and then like his segment was whacking, are they gonna

1013
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 1: be on you if you don't give us? That's what

1014
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: I know? What I know didn't give us nothing. We

1015
01:04:55,800 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: know Prince stole one of his girl. Oh man, um

1016
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: tried um um. I don't know nothing too. This ain't

1017
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: really yeah, this ain't really. I remember being we you

1018
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: know how you get to it, there's still this this

1019
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: um competitiveness with you know, certain people space if you

1020
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: don't know them and you know they I think, folks,

1021
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: there's an air bottom if they don't know you, you know,

1022
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: or they think they haven't, I wouldn't have an air

1023
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: or something like that. And uh, this gentleman we were

1024
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: on tour with, or had a couple of shows with,

1025
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: and um meant black Men days. We just got the

1026
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: vibe that it was just just real. They're just being

1027
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 1: real kind of fucked up, you know, like not giving

1028
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: their on doing the sound check and whatnot, and we're

1029
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 1: just waiting and it was like a theater and just waiting,

1030
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: you know, the kind of thing. And the thing about

1031
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: us is like the more it fucked up, you treat us,

1032
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: he'd be like, okay, that's one, that's two. We just

1033
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: you know, we just counting it up, like okay, just

1034
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: oh this is good, this is good. And so you

1035
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: could see that this dude was just he's seen us

1036
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: out there, you know, waiting for the sound check, right

1037
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: and it's pretty much dumb, just waiting, just sitting around

1038
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: and talking, sitting down and uh, which started up some

1039
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: music is like h well, who's next, Sue. Sue's coming up,

1040
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: and he knew We're sitting right there in front of

1041
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: him and like, yeah, I don't know, man. He let

1042
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,439
Speaker 1: me do another song. It's like really, okay, doors about

1043
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: to open, you know, that kind of thing. And uh

1044
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Speaker 1: so wait after at some point he just like, whatever, okay,

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Speaker 1: just get the other band up. Now. We'd had some

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01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: hits up at this point, so put the other band up.

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Speaker 1: We just took that like okay, yeah, he said all

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Speaker 1: this over to mic, over to mic. Yeah, so it

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Speaker 1: was amplified, yeah, and it was amplified. But to us

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01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,959
Speaker 1: we were like okay, you know. And at that point

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Speaker 1: we were so rehearsed. We would rehearsed everything. We rehearsed,

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01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: like sometimes we were gonna do this that sound check,

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01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: and we were just tied as a drama. Would do

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Speaker 1: one little thing, we just like it would stop over,

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Speaker 1: getting your dynams, would go up and down, all kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff. And so we did something like that that

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Speaker 1: we'd rehearsed, and then that pretty much changed the energy

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Speaker 1: in the room, you know, and I just it was like,

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Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting because after that all that

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Speaker 1: ship came off, all that artificial post writing. Yeah, I

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01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: know all that, you know, so it was fucked up

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Speaker 1: to me, but it's you know, you may not think,

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01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: but it was. I remember that. Like, but again, no names.

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Speaker 1: Some of the men fellas probably no sau Sometimes you

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Speaker 1: gotta you gotta show improve yes, like you think, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: right right, sweet, you don't know, right right right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: somebody didn't tell you. And that's kind of where I was,

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Speaker 1: because it's like we were younger and hongry just like okay,

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01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: and had that you know, we're going for the edge,

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01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 1: you know, we had the net shit on. Man was

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01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: that I said, I was hoping that y'all birth though, yeah,

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01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 1: way after Yeah, but we had that mentality to it's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: we ain't going over the edge like that, no more,

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01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: but putting it inside the music. And so you know,

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Speaker 1: anybody who's coming like that, it's okay, all right, I've

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01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 1: been there, and it's just you know, it's just like, okay, listen,

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01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 1: you got your song is harder than mine right now. Yeah,

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01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: it's okay. Don't think that I'm not him right right.

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01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: And we didn't care. We didn't care about like record,

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01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:01,600
Speaker 1: We could not have anything. Is her thing was like,

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01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 1: we're just gonna get you off of what we do,

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01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 1: performance to do. That's it. You can know not know

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01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: who I am, and I still try to perform like

1084
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: that to this day. It's like even if you don't know,

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01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I don't care if it's five people,

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01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: ten people, you know, fifty people, you gotta get they

1087
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 1: came here, they paid their money. Yeah, that's the kind

1088
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: of thing, you know, you know, the thing you gotta

1089
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: have going forward. I call it. You're gonna remember the

1090
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 1: night you played the Titans. Mmmm mm hmm, you're gonna

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01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: like that. M I don't care what I don't care

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01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: what's going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean that's the

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01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: other part too, about being a musician and being in

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01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 1: a band. She's too many cheat codes, too many minutes,

1095
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: too many che hit them all kicking the exactly. But

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01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: then y'all got the singer it's just not cool. Y'all

1097
01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 1: came out saying it's not cool, it's not cool, it's

1098
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,560
Speaker 1: not cool. Um stokely my brother. Man, we got to

1099
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 1: say thank you, bro, and we got to say thank you,

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01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: you know, not just you know, not just in this moment, man,

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01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 1: but for all the work that you've put in you

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01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 1: have you have been absolutely an inspiration. You have been

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01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: study material, wow to all of us becoming who we are,

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01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and being able to take

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01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 1: advantage of opportunities and to be in this business. Man,

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01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 1: as long as we have, I'm telling you, like you've

1107
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: you've helped You've helped us do that. Thank you, you

1108
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And every time I've met you,

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01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 1: every time I've been able to shake your hand and

1110
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: share energy which you share space with you, It's always

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01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 1: been amazing energy. And you know, I learned that from

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Speaker 1: genuine and from genuine and it continues through guys like

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01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: you that continues to remind me that that is the

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01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: right way to be. That that is that is correct,

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Speaker 1: and that's how we're gonna keep doing it. Absolutely that.

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01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. This is amazing. I'm tell

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Speaker 1: y'all keep doing what you're doing. Man, This is really

1118
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: more amazing than what y'all know. It's like you're gonna

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Speaker 1: start seeing residuals, not money, but I mean it's bigger

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Speaker 1: than money. It's what y'all are doing. So and that

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Speaker 1: whatever I got, man, I'm giving everybody out here and

1122
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 1: just we gonna keep shying y'all. Keep doing what you're doing.

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01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:25,600
Speaker 1: You inspire me. You know, I see you out on

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01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: the road doing stuff. Man, here your records and just

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01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: everything y'are doing. Man, it's you know, it's this is,

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Speaker 1: this is I don't be money baby. Hey, well then

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