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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: Big time news.

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Speaker 2: If you're just getting in your car, appreciate everybody who's

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Speaker 2: been hanging out for the first couple of hours. We've

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Speaker 2: got major breaking news just came down the last twenty

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Speaker 2: minutes or so. Funter Biden has been charged with three

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Speaker 2: felonies relating to lying on gun ownership forms. There still

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Speaker 2: remains all of the felony tax charges that are out there.

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Speaker 1: So I still want to.

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Speaker 2: Say, while this is important because the indictment means that

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Speaker 2: we don't have to worry about, uh, whether the statute

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Speaker 2: of limitation is going to run out, there still are

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Speaker 2: those tax charges and there needs to be felony charges

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Speaker 2: filed for those as well.

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Speaker 1: Eight hundred and two eight two two eight A two.

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Speaker 2: I believe we're going to be joined by Miranda Devine

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Speaker 2: at the bottom of this to break down much of this,

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Speaker 2: and Andy McCarthy potentially uh at one point.

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Speaker 3: Yep, we're putting out the Andy Andy bat signal on

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Speaker 3: on this one. And okay, we discussed just for anyone

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Speaker 3: who's joining us three fell three charges. Their felony charges

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Speaker 3: against Hunter byden having to do with possession of a

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Speaker 3: firearm while a user of a controlled substance, a legal

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Speaker 3: controlled substance, and also lying on the Federal background form.

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Speaker 3: When you buy clay, you've never you've never bought a gun,

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Speaker 3: have you? Have you ever gone through this process?

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Speaker 1: And when you know, I have not? No, I have not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so when you go through it, I mean I've

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Speaker 3: done it. It's actually funny. Now you don't on an iPad,

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Speaker 3: but you go and you click and you say, you say,

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Speaker 3: I know, I swear under penalty of perjury, and you're

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Speaker 3: actually it's a federal document and the ATF and federal

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Speaker 3: government are checking their their NICKS system, the National Instant

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Speaker 3: Background Check System, anyway they do these things. There's a process,

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Speaker 3: and Hunter is now facing these three. Okay, hold on

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Speaker 3: a second. Let's let's take a look at what what

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Speaker 3: we have said this week, because this is a moment

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Speaker 3: we don't want to get ahead of where we are.

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Speaker 1: The Ignacious column drops.

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Speaker 2: Washington Post stud columnists their guy says he shouldn't run.

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Speaker 3: I think you maybe the first person in history to

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Speaker 3: described data ignacious as a stud.

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Speaker 2: But I know it's well to the extent that anybody

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Speaker 2: in the Washington Post firmament like they're the day one starter.

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Speaker 3: This is there this, that's right. He is a for

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Speaker 3: the Washington Post columnists that he.

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Speaker 1: Is QB one. Okay, so uh you like that, by

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Speaker 1: the way, that's good, very good one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well done. So here's where we are. He laid

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Speaker 3: it out. He said, we do this within a month

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Speaker 3: or it doesn't happen. Yes, you and I have been

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Speaker 3: saying this for months. There's a timeline here, right, the

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Speaker 3: people who are you know, if someone's going to email

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Speaker 3: us the middle of December and say, guys, any moment now,

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Speaker 3: it's like, actually no, because it can't because you're effectively

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Speaker 3: seeding critical states to the Republicans because you be able

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Speaker 3: that process. Right, So there is a timeline here. What

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Speaker 3: we said about the ignacious thing was it can't just

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Speaker 3: be the ignacious column Keep an eye out. We said

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Speaker 3: this about the view and CNN take a look and

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Speaker 3: see if there are other voices that all jump in

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Speaker 3: and decide.

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Speaker 1: It is time, right, it is time to do this now.

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Speaker 3: The timing here of the gun charge, the ignacious column,

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Speaker 3: I would say that I don't think it will happen,

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Speaker 2: There may be a real effort to do this. Right now,

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Speaker 2: we talked about this in a big way. Let's star

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Speaker 2: with the Washington Post column that is.

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Speaker 1: Not for you.

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Speaker 2: I understand people out there like, I don't know why

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Speaker 2: you care about this column, the Washington Post column, editorial page.

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Speaker 2: Every single person of any prominence in Washington d C.

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Speaker 1: Reads it every year. This is it.

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Speaker 3: It's provda for Beltwegh Democrats, this is this is this

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Speaker 2: Sometimes, columnist, I've been a columnist full time job before Buck,

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you are reacting to what happened in the twenty

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Speaker 2: the Washington Post editorial board if you are this columnist,

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden shouldn't run without this being debated, discussed and

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Speaker 1: They chose this timing, okay.

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Speaker 2: Also, Joe Biden is being impeached same exact week. They

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Speaker 2: not crazy to think that Republicans are going to move.

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Speaker 2: We have the impeachment inquiry underway, and now you have

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Speaker 1: I would want all of you out there to think

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Speaker 2: It is Joe Biden's Department of Justice that is bringing

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Speaker 2: felony charges against Hunter Biden. Do you think the Washington

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Speaker 2: Post didn't know this was going to happen?

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Speaker 1: Do you? Than we had on this show? Why he

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Speaker 3: By it September twenty ninth, right, he said that there

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Speaker 1: So everyone technically knew.

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Speaker 2: But I think they knew the day that it was

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Speaker 2: going to happen, because you don't draft a felony indictment

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Speaker 2: Would have been well known in the Department of Justice,

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Speaker 1: Oh, he found out on the news, just like all

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Speaker 2: The president's son doesn't get indicted by his own Department

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Speaker 3: So I can see how this confluence of events, and

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Clay, that the Washington Post was thinking

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Speaker 2: I again, my theory would be ignacious is known for

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Speaker 1: So here's how this is gonna go.

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Speaker 3: I think, and I mean I don't mean oh, a

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Speaker 3: indicted on gun charges. A setback for President's family after

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Speaker 3: one Hunter deserves his day in court. He has a

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Speaker 3: presumption of innocence. We will let the process play out,

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Speaker 3: and this shows that one is above the law, including

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Speaker 3: if they're gonna even go through the indicting the son

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Speaker 3: I think that they'll just say, let the process play out,

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Speaker 3: Let's remember everybody very adept at using personal tragedy for

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Speaker 3: He may say my son is an addict. How many

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Speaker 3: If that happens, the dominoes all fall, and you've got

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Speaker 1: Believe it will.

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Speaker 2: They will all get asked, now, you know how when

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Speaker 2: Did you see so and so said so and so?

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Speaker 2: Do you have a comment on it? They'll all get

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Speaker 2: I think he's gonna get charge in the taxes. Now,

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Speaker 2: I think he will get charged for tax felonies too. Now,

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Speaker 1: The boards, that was the worst of the possible tax charges.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but I think there's still felony tax charges outstanding

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Speaker 2: pressure that still needs to be brought, not just the

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Speaker 2: It could be that they think that the location for

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden was domiciled in seventeen or eighteen. Just that's

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Speaker 2: legal procedural questions. But because I think the goal of

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Speaker 3: Place, I'm like the audience here, what's your crazy idea,

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Speaker 3: If he pardons his own son so he doesn't go

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Speaker 2: I think if Joe Biden pardons Hunter Biden, just Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 3: But you do, but deal with what I'm saying, which

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Speaker 2: I agree, But I'm saying even if he won reelection.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he cares. He's like one hundred years

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Speaker 2: I mean, but I think the Democrat Party does because

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Speaker 1: I really think you have no principles to protect Clay.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think that you have never seen.

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Speaker 2: It's something to think about because I don't think we've

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Speaker 3: I mean Trump, Trump, I believe, pardon Jared Kushner's father

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Speaker 3: I'd also say this, Clay a big part of what

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Speaker 1: I just I don't.

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Speaker 3: I think I think it will see. We'll see in

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Speaker 3: and Democrats are making that decision. I think that they

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Speaker 3: still think he's their only hope. I think that he.

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Speaker 1: Can this guy, Clay.

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Speaker 3: The fact that he's president is an exercise in defying

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Speaker 3: the laws of like rationality, of of what is reasonable,

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Speaker 3: let's see we got We've got Rando divine.

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Speaker 3: It's funny, we're gonna have Andy and Andy was on Fox,

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Speaker 3: But uh, well, we'll we'll talk to more people about this.

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Speaker 3: I leave open the possibility that the Palace coup could

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Speaker 3: I thig your idea, Clay.

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Speaker 1: I don't even what to say.

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Speaker 3: If you're right and Joe Biden did that, you know,

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Speaker 2: That would be the I mean, but the only way

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Speaker 2: How can you get what you want and benefit from it.

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Speaker 2: That's the only way that party would absolutely lose their

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Speaker 3: Their minds if Joe Biden parton Donald Trump, like dogs

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Speaker 3: We had the huge breaking news just less than an

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Speaker 3: Miranda Divine of The New York Post, author of Laptop

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Speaker 3: what is your first reaction to this as the news broke?

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 4: Well, I guess we saw it a little while ago

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Speaker 1: Can we sorry, yeah, can you saying yeah? Can we?

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Speaker 1: Can you call us back?

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Speaker 2: And just ridiculous andness, sometimes I can't believe this works, Buck,

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Speaker 2: But what she was talking about, I'm genuinely curious to

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Speaker 2: I'll just point out on Sunday Buck that they said

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Speaker 3: Hard course case. And also you have the Biden crime family.

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Speaker 2: But I think the question is really what a Democrats

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Speaker 3: the Hunter Biden charges?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I.

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Speaker 5: Think my first reaction is that we kind of expected

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Speaker 5: that this would happen because David Weiss was completely humiliated,

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Speaker 5: as was the Attorney General Merrick Garland when this plea

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Speaker 5: deal fell apart and was exposed for all the world

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Speaker 5: to see as a sham, and so they had to

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Speaker 5: do something. Hunter Biden's lawyers are not happy about.

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Speaker 4: This, but it was inevitable. But you know the.

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Speaker 5: Fact is the garden charge is the very least of it.

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Speaker 5: David wise, drag the chain, allow the statute of limitations

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Speaker 5: to run out on the tax charges or no Sarah

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Speaker 5: and no other more important charges. This is the one charge,

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Speaker 5: the gun charge, that has absolutely nothing to do with

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden. So from the White House point of view,

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Speaker 5: it's a safe charge.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Miranda, do you think when you look at it,

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Speaker 2: do you think that there will be charges? Because that's

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Speaker 2: the question I was just asking to me. The next

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Speaker 2: question that needs to be asked is what's going to

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Speaker 2: happen with the tax charges. That's an easy case to make.

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden did not pay his taxes. That is a

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Speaker 2: felony based on the amount of dollars that he did

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Speaker 2: not pay. This would also be a relatively easy case

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Speaker 2: to bring that to your point, could also bring in

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden, because there certainly was the argument that some

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Speaker 2: of that those funds were commingled, that they were being

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Speaker 2: earned because of Joe Biden's tenure as vice president. Do

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Speaker 2: you think there'll be charges brought there where? Do you

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Speaker 2: think we're staying with those Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Look, I think there will be or at least some

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Speaker 5: sort of attempt, because we saw it in one of

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Speaker 5: the filings initially after the plea deal collapsed from the

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Speaker 5: Delaware prosecutors that they were talking about moving it to

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Speaker 5: another jurisdiction. And remember it was California and Washington, DC,

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Speaker 5: where a hunter of the charges were going to have

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Speaker 5: to be bought. And that was kind of what brought

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Speaker 5: Wife's entire inquiry after five years undone, when Gary Shapley,

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Speaker 5: the whistleblower, realized that you know, this was a setup

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Speaker 5: because supposedly David Weiss, the US attorney had ultimate authority.

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Speaker 5: He had full powers, Merrick Garland said, under oath, and

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Speaker 5: yet he had been knocked back by the Biden appointed

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Speaker 5: US attorney in California, Martin Astrata, from bringing charges there.

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Speaker 5: So you know, Martin Strata is still there. You can't

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Speaker 5: imagine that it's going to be easy to the prosecuted,

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Speaker 5: even if they wanted to do this, and they've shown

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Speaker 5: a zero interest in it. The one thing I will

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Speaker 5: say that's interesting is that the actual prosecutor that's going

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Speaker 5: in there is a guy called Leo Wife, who has

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Speaker 5: a reputation as being kind of a tough guy, and

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Speaker 5: he was brought in at the last minute because Leslie

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Speaker 5: Wolfe and the other team that had worked on this

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Speaker 5: for the five years and had been called out by

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Speaker 5: Gary Shapley and the other whistleblower as being sort of

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Speaker 5: in the tank for the bidens, tipping them off on

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Speaker 5: searchers and interviews and so on. They just disappeared off

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Speaker 5: the case and this guy, Leo Wife, gets brought in,

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Speaker 5: presumably to just do a straight job. And so that

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Speaker 5: was kind of why you saw the plea deal collapse

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Speaker 5: that day because Leo Wife is sort of trying to

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Speaker 5: follow along the script that he's been handed at the

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Speaker 5: last minute, but ultimately, in his DNA he can't do

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Speaker 5: something so duplicitus, so he answers the judge honestly, and

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Speaker 5: everything you know collapsed.

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Speaker 3: Miranda Devine in New York post with us, author of

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Speaker 3: Laptop from Hell, about this Hunter Biden and Biden crime

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Speaker 3: family saga, which has reached quite an interesting chapter today.

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Speaker 3: To that end, Miranda, do you give us your sense?

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Speaker 3: I mean, we know that no one truly can know,

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Speaker 3: But is it your sense that Biden plans to push

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Speaker 3: through this and tell everybody that you know, this has

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Speaker 3: nothing to do with him and everything will be fine,

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Speaker 3: or are you Are you hearing from your sources and

511
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Speaker 3: is your own sense that this could be part of

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Speaker 3: a Democrat palace coup of sorts to have Biden finally

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Speaker 3: step aside and have some other option, whether it's Kamala

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Speaker 3: or someone else.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think they're that organized. And why why

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Speaker 5: ruin a winning formula? It's worked for him much to

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Speaker 5: now it's effectively the basement option. This is the least transparent,

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Speaker 5: least accessible, not just president, but I mean, I would

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Speaker 5: say world leader in the West. I have never seen

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Speaker 5: a president or a prime minister be so reluctant and

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Speaker 5: resistant to answering questions. And it's not as if he

522
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Speaker 5: has a barking mad media breathing down his neck on

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Speaker 5: these issues. Whenever he does a press conference and has

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Speaker 5: his hand picked crew of handmaidens.

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Speaker 4: They never ask any questions about this.

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Speaker 5: It's only you know. There are a few people, including

527
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Speaker 5: the New York Post, very good Stephen Nelson, who rarely

528
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Speaker 5: get asked to give it a formal question that they

529
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Speaker 5: managed to shout something afterwards, and Joe Biden just turns

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Speaker 5: his back. Koreean John Pierre just turns her back. It's

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Speaker 5: a fast and why would they change it? Because it

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Speaker 5: works for them, because the point is that half the

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Speaker 5: country is in the dark, because half the media is

534
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Speaker 5: in the tank for the vibe. And you've seen that

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Speaker 5: just the last few days. They're scoffing at the impeachment inquiry.

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Speaker 5: They're saying there's no evidence, and then they change it

537
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Speaker 5: so there's no hard evidence or there's no direct evidence.

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Speaker 5: They and the Democrats are being from exactly the same

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Speaker 5: song book, but they're kind of desperate. I think they've

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Speaker 5: run out of road. There's just too much evidence, it's

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Speaker 5: too overwhelming, and you know, there have to be journalists,

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Speaker 5: and I know there are journalists at the New York Times,

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Speaker 5: maybe at the Washington Post, but.

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Speaker 4: I know at the New York Times who.

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Speaker 5: Have integrity and they just can't stand for this anymore.

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Speaker 5: It's embarrassing. You've got Watergate on steroids staring you in

547
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Speaker 5: the face, and you're studiously avoiding it as if, in fact,

548
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Speaker 5: you take your orders from the intelligence community, from the CIA.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we saw yesterday David Ignatius, who's you know, renowned,

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Speaker 5: you know, his reputation is that he basically writes that's

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Speaker 5: what the CIA thinks, and he says yesterday, oh, it's

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Speaker 5: time for Biden to go. And so that seems to me, like,

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Speaker 5: you know, I've always suspected for some time that Joe

554
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Speaker 5: Biden and Hunter Biden have had some sort of protection

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Speaker 5: from the deep state. There's been so much, you know,

556
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 5: so much covering up, especially what happened in Ukraine but

557
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 5: also China and Russia. That and you can't believe that

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Speaker 5: the vice president's son was ricocheting around the world as

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00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 5: a drug addict, you know, with hookers and all these

560
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Speaker 5: compromising situations without the CIA keeping an eye on him

561
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Speaker 5: or being aware at least what he was doing. So

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Speaker 5: there's always been in the shadows this specter of a

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Speaker 5: guardian angel. And you know, I think they did a

564
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Speaker 5: lot of mopping up after Joe Biden and the Barisma

565
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 5: deal in Ukraine, and I think that's falling apart now.

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Speaker 5: And I think that they're as much covering themselves as

567
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 5: Joe Biden now when they want to get.

568
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Speaker 4: Rid of you, or not get rid of them.

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Speaker 5: But they are suggesting by David Ignash as he should

570
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 5: stand assign.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you just hit on something that I think is important, Miranda,

572
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Speaker 2: and I'll continue to reinforce that you should get all

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Speaker 2: the Politzer prizes that the New York Times and the

574
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Speaker 2: Washington Post got for the fake Russia collusion stories. With

575
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Speaker 2: what you wrote about Hunter Biden's laptop. At some point

576
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: it becomes embarrassing to continue to carry water for Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: I think we saw that happen for Merrick Garland and

578
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Speaker 2: Weiss and the entire Department of Justice when Judge Noriyeika

579
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: blew up their sweetheart plea deal. And now we've got

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Speaker 2: these charges that are brought. I think you're starting to

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Speaker 2: see it from some journalists Washington Post, New York Times.

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Speaker 1: Certainly it's cut through the American public.

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Speaker 2: Even CNN's having to discuss the fact that sixty one percent,

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Speaker 2: I think it was of the American public thinks Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden was involved with Hunter Biden when it comes to

586
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Speaker 2: his business dealings. What do you think the relationship is like? Now,

587
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Speaker 2: last question for you between the Department of Justice, this

588
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Speaker 2: Merrick Garland and Company and Joe Biden, what's that relationship

589
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Speaker 2: like now as we see charges brought against this sign.

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Speaker 5: Look, I think Ginger, I think everybody is just trying

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Speaker 5: to not rock the boat and just have this go

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Speaker 5: through with the minimum of fuss, while managing and massaging

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Speaker 5: the media, because really, as long as the media remains

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Speaker 5: tame on this, they'll get away with it. But I

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Speaker 5: think that's what the point of that memo was that

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Speaker 5: went out simultaneously with the announcement by Kevin McCarthy of

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Speaker 5: the empeachment inquiry. The memo went out from the White

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Speaker 5: House Counsel's office from Ian Sam's basically saying to the media,

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Speaker 5: you know, do your job and cover for Joe Biden.

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Speaker 5: You know, step up. You've got to really hold the

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Speaker 5: Republican's feat to the fire because this is just they

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Speaker 5: have no evidence, and it was ridiculous. I mean, the

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Speaker 5: memo basically quoted a whole bunch of Rhino Republicans who are,

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Speaker 5: for whatever reason, especially in the Senate, backing Joe Biden,

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Speaker 5: I mean, doing Joe Biden's bidding.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know.

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Speaker 5: If that's because Mitch McConnell and Joe Biden have a

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Speaker 5: long standing relationship going back decade in a Senate colleagues,

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Speaker 5: or if it's because Mitch McConnell Instagram and various other

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Speaker 5: Republicans in the Senate are just completely obsessed about Ukraine.

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Speaker 5: Mitch McConnell has told us that is his number one priority,

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Speaker 5: more important than inflation, the cost of living, the border,

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Speaker 5: anything that really affects Americans. He cares about Ukraine and

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Speaker 5: keeping on spending billions of dollars, and Joe Biden, I think,

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Speaker 5: has been playing Mitch McConnell very well, professing reluctance, you know,

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Speaker 5: not really, but and making Mitch McConnell sing for his supper.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what back channel communications are going on,

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Speaker 5: but just on the face value, you're looking at it

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Speaker 5: and you're saying, Joe Biden has something that he can

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Speaker 5: hold over Mitch McConnell, because Mitch McDonald has telegraphed that

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Speaker 5: his most important priority is Ukraine. So therefore, what's Joe

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Speaker 5: Biden's most important priority protecting himself from his son's misbehavior.

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Speaker 5: And so those two, you know, they're both deal makers,

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Speaker 5: and I'm sure their two priorities are aligning at the

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Speaker 5: moment behind the scenes.

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Speaker 2: Good work as always, Miranda. We'll talk to you again soon.

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Speaker 2: Encourage everybody to go read the post column that you've

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Speaker 2: got up right now, and I'm sure you'll have some

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Speaker 2: good reaction to these charges as well.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show again. You

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Speaker 2: started talking with the Miranda divine but major breaking news.

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Speaker 2: There are charges that have been brought against Hunter Biden,

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Speaker 2: and I would just say this. I'm seeing people out

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Speaker 2: there already say.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's not a big deal.

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Speaker 2: The rigs, the jobs still in like it's a big deal,

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Speaker 2: all right. A lot of people who are saying that

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Speaker 2: now told you that there would never be felony charges brought.

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Speaker 2: They need to follow up with felony charges on the

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Speaker 2: tax situation as well.

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Speaker 1: Then they will at least.

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Speaker 2: Stop the worry of the running out of the of

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Speaker 2: the turn of the time limits.

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 3: You can actually go even further back. It's not just

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Speaker 3: there wouldn't be felony charges. People were saying, the Hunter

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Speaker 3: didn't do anything wrong. Yeah, think of what afar. Yes,

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Speaker 3: the storyline for years was hundred nothing wrong. That was

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden, that was the media. Hundred did nothing wrong, nothing.

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Speaker 1: This is all made up. This is all made up.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: So think about and again this is where I understand

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Speaker 2: some people are going to say, oh, Clay, you were

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Speaker 2: too optimistic everything else. I get it, But think about

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Speaker 2: where we are right now, given how long they have

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Speaker 2: fought the idea that Hunter did anything wrong at all

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Speaker 2: to have felony charges publicly filed and for Hunter Biden

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Speaker 2: to be facing I believe it's a total Ali just

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Speaker 2: texted me our producer twenty five years in prison.

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Speaker 1: He's not going to get that right. But it really does.

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Speaker 2: Put the onus on the Biden administration to have to

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Speaker 2: answer questions about Hunter and also Joe Biden's involvement with Hunter.

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Speaker 3: Now if the media asked the questions, I mean, Miranda's

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Speaker 3: skeptical that the media is really going to play along here.

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Speaker 1: Just I mean, to be.

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Speaker 2: Fair, I do think I do think there's a level

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Speaker 2: of embarrassment. Remember we had Chris Christy live on the

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Speaker 2: air and he said just that, taking away the politics

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Speaker 2: of it, if you're a US attorney and you walk

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Speaker 2: into a courtroom expecting to get a plea agreement rubbers stamped,

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Speaker 2: and you get embarrassed like they did by that judge

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Speaker 2: nor Yaika. I think at some level you've talked about

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Speaker 2: this before, Buck, and I think that this is important

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Speaker 2: for a lot of people out there to realize people

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Speaker 2: will carry the water for propaganda until it becomes humiliating

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Speaker 2: for them to have to carry all their own ego

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Speaker 2: has to be sacrificed. Too much in the process. That

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Speaker 2: is the red line for the journal and I think

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Speaker 2: we have crossed that rubicon for them, and so I

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Speaker 2: think the questions the there's blood in the water from

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Speaker 2: a shark perspective, and now all of the journalists are

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Speaker 2: going to be running around trying to grab bites because

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Speaker 2: they've gotten embarrassed by trying to argue there's nothing here.

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Speaker 2: So there's something here. How much bigger does it get?

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Speaker 2: What comes next? Honestly, Buck, you and I were talking

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Speaker 2: about this off air. It's like a great television show

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Speaker 2: where you have no idea.

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Speaker 1: What might happen in the next episode.

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Speaker 3: All I can tell you is if in the next

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Speaker 3: few days the view starts talking about what a great

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Speaker 3: presidential option, you know, Gavin Newsom or Stacy Abrams would be,

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Speaker 3: then other things are coming to