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Speaker 1: This episode was recorded prior to the SAG After Strike.

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Speaker 2: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in

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Speaker 2: partnership with Iheartradiots.

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Speaker 3: And Katie Tho.

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Speaker 4: I'm watching the episode that we're talking about today, and

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Speaker 4: I'm like, do you remember conversation Shonda would have where

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Speaker 4: it's like they would give such shit about sexual stuff

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Speaker 4: on the show, but like violence or death was like

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Speaker 4: fair game?

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Speaker 3: Did it matter? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And I'm just like refreshing myself on the end of

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Speaker 4: season two, which is where we're currently at. There's just

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Speaker 4: guns held at people's heads.

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Speaker 3: All the time, ye constantly.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, motherfuckers are eating donuts right before they were about

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Speaker 5: to get shot.

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Speaker 3: Abby's holding a gun.

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Speaker 4: I'm holding a gun, and Charlie's holding a gun at

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Speaker 4: David Rosen, and then Jake Ballard has a gun because

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Speaker 4: he's about to take down Charlie. It's just like Rice,

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Speaker 4: why don't we And Adam Adam just did like the

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Speaker 4: top gun thing. He just did John Wick prequel series,

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Speaker 4: which is literally gun porn. It's like, how many fucking

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Speaker 4: things can we fucking light up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: What is that?

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Speaker 5: I haven't seen any of the John Wicks, but I

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Speaker 5: hear there's somebody just went to see it a friend

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Speaker 5: of mine and said it was super violent. And it's

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Speaker 5: like one of the most popular franchises. Right, there's like

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Speaker 5: what five part five now or four?

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Speaker 3: I don't even know.

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Speaker 4: Fast and the Furious. I have no idea what's going on.

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Speaker 4: I've never seen You're right, it's like porn yea. And

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Speaker 4: my son is like obsessed. He is, but yeah, he

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Speaker 4: just is like, you know, I want swords, I.

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Speaker 3: Want I want shields.

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Speaker 4: Everything is good guy, bad guy. Did you play like

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Speaker 4: that when you were a little kid or no?

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Speaker 5: No, I played with like a Donald Duck doll that

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Speaker 5: you would press his hands and he would walk, his

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Speaker 5: legs would move. You would press his right hand and

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Speaker 5: his left leg would move. Typical fucking gay shit. Like

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Speaker 5: I loved all the dolls. I loved all the superhero

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Speaker 5: dolls and Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck all that stuff.

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Speaker 6: Have you been in real fights in your life?

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Speaker 3: Just like two? But I don't like it, and I'm

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Speaker 3: not good at it at all.

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Speaker 5: I'm not I get very scared, like I'll defend myself,

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Speaker 5: but I'm still super I don't like it.

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Speaker 4: I don't like it like did you get ever get

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Speaker 4: hit or hit someone in the face, like when you

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Speaker 4: were a kid growing up.

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Speaker 6: I've never done that.

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Speaker 5: I did once I did. I hit someone in the face,

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Speaker 5: and I've been hitting the face.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Was it terrible.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was almost like I blacked out. Like afterwards,

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Speaker 5: I was like, I don't even remember doing that. It

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Speaker 5: was just like a reflex to Yeah, you know, I

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Speaker 4: Protect yourself with fight or flight, like you went into

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Speaker 4: like animalistic mode.

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Speaker 3: But then it stopped. It didn't. It was like a

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Speaker 5: I would have friends that would be fighting on the

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Speaker 5: street for like fifteen minutes, like taking their shirts off,

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Speaker 5: like let's go, like taking you know, their shoes off.

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Speaker 3: I was like, what are you people doing?

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Speaker 6: Like, oh my god.

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Speaker 4: I remember in high school the girls fighting like way

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Speaker 4: worse than the guys. The girls like fucking ripping their

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Speaker 5: Bad bad like black girls. I mean, I said, I

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Speaker 5: blacked out, but girls black the fuck out.

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Speaker 3: They don't care. You can't pull them apart O.

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Speaker 6: Can this like not happen to my kids?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 3: Fighting, fighting is bad, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: But they're still fucking doing it. I think they are.

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Speaker 5: Well, and then you know, we're brought up, especially boys,

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Speaker 5: being like, fuck, you gotta fight, defend yourself, you gotta

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Speaker 5: learn how to fight, learn a fight, fight. You know,

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Speaker 5: it becomes like this thing that you feel you need

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Speaker 3: Like that's not good. It's fucking you, it's not good.

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Speaker 4: But also like why even let it get to that?

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Speaker 4: And I was kind of lucky to I was sort

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Speaker 4: was like a theater girl and I was on the

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Speaker 4: is so much harder because my anxiety. I didn't have

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Speaker 4: that as a kid, and now it's worse than it's

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Speaker 4: ever been, Like my real life worries everyone, kitty.

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Speaker 5: Do you ever think I think back on the times

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Speaker 5: and having no anxiety whatsoever. I was fearless, And I

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Speaker 5: think back on those times and I'm like, wow, like

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Speaker 5: I wish I could feel that again, you know what

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Speaker 5: I mean. And of course there's fleeting moments when you

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Speaker 4: There's just real life worries, like I didn't worry, like

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Speaker 4: and look, that is such a fucking privilege, Like obviously

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Speaker 4: I wasn't worried about food or like rent or like

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Speaker 4: you know, because there are kids that have those fucking

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Speaker 6: Which is awful.

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Speaker 3: And did you say food? You know?

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Speaker 6: We have to talk to Betsy about that. She we

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Speaker 6: used to host the Scandal podcast.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I was thinking about that earlier.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I want to ask her all about like

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Speaker 4: how did she first hear that that the meeting went

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Speaker 6: And was she into it from the start?

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Speaker 4: And then we had to talk to her all about

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Speaker 5: Yes, I thought about that too, yes, yes, yes, and

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Speaker 5: she was.

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Speaker 6: A comedian and an actress yes in New York.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, start Betsy Beers. Yeah, I feel like always

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Speaker 3: say that I love it so much.

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Speaker 5: I do not as much as I love your last

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Speaker 8: Who wouldn't And it's totally what eleven o'clock here, Where

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Speaker 8: are you? Garma? Are you? I'm in La so morning drinking,

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Speaker 8: which is the.

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Speaker 4: Best, right right, because we're coming out at the time

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Speaker 4: of this recording of a three day weekend.

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Speaker 6: He we just are feeling very like, whoa, we really.

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Speaker 4: Had a Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday situation and our brain's

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Speaker 4: not firing, probably a level that Betsy Beers.

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Speaker 8: Is no minus minus a big sleepy pile of poo.

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Speaker 8: What's fun about this episode two is it's the episode

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Speaker 8: before the last episode, which, like I remembered really well

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Speaker 8: because we did that table.

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Speaker 3: Read yes in front of a live audience, Yeah, in.

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Speaker 8: Front of a live audience, and when we gave the

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Speaker 8: last line, which I'm not going to give away for

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Speaker 8: anybody who hasn't seen the show, which probably makes no

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Speaker 8: sense because everybody listens to this like, gosh, I hope

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Speaker 8: you've you've seen the show, but that there's that last line.

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Speaker 8: And I remember, because I was doing stage directions.

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Speaker 6: We were in were we at the Doldie.

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Speaker 8: It was some scary, weird situation, big theater. It was

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Speaker 8: to stop because the screaming. Just for anybody who doesn't

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Speaker 8: So we did a season finale table read. I think

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Speaker 8: it was for charity.

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Speaker 6: I think it was for charity too.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we did this table read and they were about, oh,

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Speaker 8: I don't know, four or five hundred people there, and

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Speaker 8: But it was one of the most amazing experiences I've

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Speaker 8: as we all know, is Dad. None of these people

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Speaker 6: It was insane.

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Speaker 5: I remember Debbie Allen jumping out of her seat like

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Speaker 4: God, yeah, she must not have known. It was so crazy.

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Speaker 4: But Betsy, tell our listeners two things. One, you used

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Speaker 8: It was called Scandaled Revealed, and I forced every single

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Speaker 4: You knew before like podcasts are obviously such a thing now,

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Speaker 4: It just means that Betsy is always at the beginning

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Speaker 6: Oh that is not.

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Speaker 4: The case now wait listen, but I remember everyone talking

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Speaker 4: about going on the Scandal Revealed podcast, And look, Betsy

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Speaker 6: Just well you were an actor.

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Speaker 6: And you were an.

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Speaker 4: pot and the best stage direction reader at a table

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Speaker 8: Okay, so on the podcast. Originally, the first podcast we

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Speaker 8: did was Gray's Anatomy. I think I don't remember if

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Speaker 8: me and it was like, I don't know if it

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Speaker 8: was season two or season three. But we started doing

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Speaker 8: this because in those days, not that many people were

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Speaker 8: podcast night she'd go, I'm Shanda, and I go I'm Betsy,

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Speaker 8: Which makes him so frightened when they made him a

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Speaker 3: Yes, we'll be right back, guys, before.

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Speaker 4: One last question, how did you become this the Shonda

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Speaker 4: and special sauce that you read the stage directions for

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Speaker 4: graising down to me, Private Practice, Scandal, how to get Away?

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Speaker 4: I'm sure Bridgerton inventing Anna.

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Speaker 5: Betsy was like a character in the show doing the

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Speaker 5: stage directions. And for people that don't understand what the

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Speaker 5: stage directions are, there's sort of the description of what's happening,

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Speaker 5: you know, in between all the scenes. Sometimes it'll describe what,

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Speaker 5: you know, the feeling that a person is is feeling

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Speaker 5: and and it's usually super boring, right, but Betsy would

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Speaker 5: come in and just make it so freaking exciting and

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Speaker 5: you're but you matched our pace too, your pace point

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Speaker 5: you have to yeah, because people will fall asleep.

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Speaker 8: People fall asleep. And the thing that I realized, because

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Speaker 8: having actually been an actor, I'll be it a bad

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Speaker 8: one how difficult it is if you are actually reading

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Speaker 8: with people, which I found when I would read with actors,

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Speaker 8: is if you suck or you're really dep it, it's

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Speaker 8: really hard for the actor to do the best job.

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Speaker 3: Right. Of course, to lift the bottom of lifting.

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Speaker 8: Number two, I learned how to do it to some degree.

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Speaker 8: Pilots because I was selling the pilot to the studio network.

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Speaker 8: Of it was how do I help sell this pilot?

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Speaker 8: And I was like the stealth seller, and I just

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Speaker 8: I feel like what started to happen was when everybody

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Speaker 8: started realizing that somebody was reading stage directions and they

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Speaker 8: were paying attention. That started on Scandal. All the writers

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Speaker 8: started writing more stage directions and then to hear you say,

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Speaker 8: just to humiliate me, and then Shanda, all the sex

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Speaker 8: scenes normally would have just been sort of sex scene,

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Speaker 8: they started putting in every detail and it was the best,

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Speaker 8: just to force me to read it. Then they started

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Speaker 8: putting in songs that they wanted me to sing that

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Speaker 8: I then refused to sing, so then they would put

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Speaker 8: other stuff that it turned into a thing that was

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Speaker 8: actually really fun.

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Speaker 6: It's the best.

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Speaker 4: And these Scandal table reads were famous. Like, yeah, sometimes

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Speaker 4: you go into a table read and it's really like

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Speaker 4: respectful and kind of quiet, and everyone's sort of on

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Speaker 4: edge and scared, and like Scandal was like a fucking raucous.

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Speaker 8: That was like a revival meeting yea.

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Speaker 4: And what's great about Betsy is like sometimes you would

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Speaker 4: be at these table reads and you'd be watching some

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Speaker 4: of the best actors. We have the best stage actors

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Speaker 4: in our country, right, So you're watching someone who would

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Speaker 4: you would pay a three hundred and fifty dollars Broadway

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Speaker 4: ticket to see Jeff Perry and Kate Burton going head

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Speaker 4: to head or whatever, trained actors, and Betsy's like right

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Speaker 4: in there in the scenes doing crazy descriptions at their pace,

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Speaker 4: matching their energy, resetting us.

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Speaker 6: And then everyone who's listening it was like a show.

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Speaker 4: Everyone was like oh no, or like oh shit, or

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Speaker 4: like you know, oh yeh, or like there's sexy.

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Speaker 6: It was crazy.

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Speaker 8: Do you also just remember too, like we had to

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Speaker 8: limit the number of executives who would show up.

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Speaker 3: Oh, because everybody wanted to come to the table reads.

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Speaker 8: You may not have known this, but there are periods

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Speaker 8: of time where there was limited access to the table

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Speaker 8: reads because either a plot point, but mainly because it

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Speaker 8: was like we were just always overrun. And I have

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Speaker 8: to tell you small brag. I was doing the table

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Speaker 8: read for How to Get Away with Murder and it

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Speaker 8: was this pivotal episode and Denzel Washington randomly came I

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Speaker 8: guess guess he was doing fences with Viola. Oh, Denzel Washington.

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Speaker 4: My dabhood God and I'm.

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Speaker 3: Good, I could die now.

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Speaker 5: And the thing is you would you would get those

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Speaker 5: scripts when we got him, like you didn't get him

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Speaker 5: ahead of time and sort of go over this the

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Speaker 5: stage directions.

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Speaker 8: I don't know how much everybody's talked about this, but

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Speaker 8: basically it was like this crazy django where they'd start

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Speaker 8: the season and they'd dig a hole. The writers in

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Speaker 8: Shonda would just like, dig hole, get in the hole,

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Speaker 8: dump dirt on themselves, and then figure out the rest

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Speaker 8: of the way to get out of the season. And

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Speaker 8: they had an idea as to what was going to happen,

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Speaker 8: but it was such an incredibly complex puzzle that without

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Speaker 8: a doubt, like nobody would see scripts until do you

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Speaker 8: remember they were hot.

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Speaker 3: Hot Oh yeah, literally hot off the press.

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Speaker 4: Yep, we need the ticking clock like it really helped Scandal,

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Speaker 4: I think for this show exactly, the vibe was everyone

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Speaker 4: is stretch. It's like we're all freaking because it's all

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Speaker 4: so high stage.

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Speaker 8: And you're all finding out information in real time with

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Speaker 8: the audience anyway for the most part.

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Speaker 4: So yes, yeah, okay, let's talk about episode two twenty one,

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Speaker 4: because Betsy Beers is one of the most, Like I said,

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Speaker 4: prolific producers in Hollywood.

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Speaker 6: She's busy.

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Speaker 8: I know this is way more fun.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about episode two twenty one, which was called

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Speaker 4: Any Questions, which aired on May ninth, twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 6: It was written by Matt.

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Speaker 8: Byrne, who earned Matty Byrne, longtime member of the family

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Speaker 8: and has written prodigiously, even on the recent Inventing Anna

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Speaker 8: starring Katie Lows.

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Speaker 6: Of course, love him.

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Speaker 8: He worked on Queen Charlotte. He's phenomenal, and he wrote

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Speaker 8: this in a very Maddy Byrne way. And I think

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Speaker 8: it was directed by Mark Tinker.

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Speaker 3: Yes, directed by Mark Tinker.

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Speaker 7: Yes.

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Speaker 8: Mark Tinker longtime member of the Shondaland family. He was

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Speaker 8: the producing director on Private Practice and has worked on

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Speaker 8: many shows and was a big factor in an old

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Speaker 8: medical show called Saint Elsewhere, which we believe I swear

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Speaker 8: love him, love him, but Mark's hysterical and great.

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Speaker 3: But Mark directed a few episodes of Scandal right, and.

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Speaker 4: He directed my one guest star episode of Private Practice

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Speaker 4: where I just left my baby in the backseat.

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Speaker 8: You did you killed your child?

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Speaker 3: Geez okice.

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Speaker 4: This episode is guest starring, guest starring Scott Foley is

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Speaker 4: Jake Ballard, Joe Morton is Mysterious Man. Dan but Gatinsky

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Speaker 4: is James Novak. George Newburn is Charlie. Kate Burton is

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Speaker 4: Vice President, Sally Langston.

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Speaker 5: Matt Lesher is Billy Chambers. Brian Lesher is Tom Larson,

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Speaker 5: Samantha Sloyan is Janine, Alexander Griers Patrick the White House staffer,

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Speaker 5: Christy Myers is Perky counter Girl be six thirteen Operative,

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Speaker 5: and also John Barrowman as the Fixer.

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Speaker 8: I was just about to say John Berriman, who I

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Speaker 8: think the same year we had in a pilot called

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Speaker 8: The Gilded Lilies where he played hey brother and Katie.

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Speaker 3: He's a huge like Broadway.

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Speaker 8: Guy's also Doctor Who, right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he's in Doctor Who. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: He was in a show called Central Park West years ago,

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Speaker 5: which is the first time I saw him on anything,

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Speaker 5: and he's he's wonderful and he's hot as fuck and

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Speaker 5: he's hot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: The other thing I thought was very funny, which is

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Speaker 8: the actress who plays Janine actually looks like jen Saki,

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Speaker 8: the former White House correspondent, looks.

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Speaker 4: So much like Jensaki, it's yeah, okay, to remind our listeners.

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Speaker 4: What happens in this We're gonna read the synopsis. There

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Speaker 4: is so much, listeners, just so much that scandalpace.

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Speaker 6: Are you ready?

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Speaker 3: G yes?

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Speaker 6: Okay?

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Speaker 4: As Cyrus dodges questions about Fitz's affair, the opay team

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Speaker 4: tries to track down the mole once and for all.

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Speaker 4: Fitz tells Olivia and Cyrus that he's not planning of

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Speaker 4: running again, which Olivia is okay with as long as

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Speaker 4: it means they can be together Oh yeah, kissy kissing.

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Speaker 5: But when Cyrus learns it Fits might not have planned

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Speaker 5: to run regardless, Olivia convinces him not to throw away

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Speaker 5: his presidency.

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Speaker 4: Yus Charlie shows up seeking Olivia's protection, but instead almost

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Speaker 4: gets killed by Huck. Luckily, after Huck gets the name

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Speaker 4: of the mole, Quinn convinces Huck to let Charlie live,

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Speaker 4: which turns out to be.

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Speaker 6: A bad plan. When the Citron card goes missing.

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Speaker 5: Everyone thinks they know what happened to it. Bun David

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Speaker 5: Rosen has revealed to be the one who stolen what.

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Speaker 4: And that, Folks is our episode, Betsy, go watch your

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Speaker 4: favorite scenes from this.

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Speaker 6: Epp Oh, I think mine? Okay?

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Speaker 4: The Cyrus ripping James a new asshole.

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Speaker 8: That is so painful, that's so good.

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Speaker 4: He had a lip quiver at the end that I

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Speaker 4: was like, this motherfucker got the Emmy.

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Speaker 6: He got that the stars this role.

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Speaker 8: But don't you think that he There's two scenes in it.

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Speaker 8: The two scenes that go together are the sy will

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Speaker 8: you let me be a reporter?

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Speaker 2: Sy?

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Speaker 8: Will you let me be a reporter? Si? Will you

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Speaker 8: let me be a reporter? And Size totally distracted, is

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Speaker 8: paying any attention to him, and they're gonna be on air.

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Speaker 8: They're gonna let me be on air. Yeah, yeah, And

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Speaker 8: I'm going like sure, sure, shirt. And then the flip

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Speaker 8: side of it, which is you see sweaty James with Mellie.

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Speaker 8: It's the pet of like three scene beat.

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Speaker 6: It's like a play. Their their story is a play.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I came to the realization watching this episode and watching

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Speaker 5: those scenes with Jeff Perry flipping out, blowing his top

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Speaker 5: like he does, and I thought that is the reason

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Speaker 5: that why Jeff Perry the actor is always so chill.

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Speaker 5: He has that I just had an amazing orgasm vibe.

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Speaker 8: Well put you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: He's so chill and relaxed and I'm like, it's because

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Speaker 5: he got that shit all out doing these scenes and

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Speaker 5: scandal like for seven seasons, right, oh.

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Speaker 8: Without a doubt. And like jeff Perry marches down a

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Speaker 8: hallway pissed better than anybody I've ever seen in my life.

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Speaker 3: Do you know that?

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Speaker 8: On that shot when he's walking down the tunnel.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, doesn't he take his jacket off?

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Speaker 8: He's amazing. I'm also obsessed with Jeffrey's hair, but that's

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Speaker 8: a different issue. Oh my god, he's got this great

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Speaker 8: sort of like puffy hair in this which.

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Speaker 6: He just just totally totally does. I love that scene.

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Speaker 5: I love the scene with Olivia and Cyrus outside in

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Speaker 5: the park that used to be a graveyard, remember, And

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Speaker 5: then at the end Olivia says it also used to

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Speaker 5: be a zoo, which I think.

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Speaker 6: That what does that mean?

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Speaker 8: Well, I think I mean there's still animals there, exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: it used to be a zoo, so we fit right in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh it's such a great scene.

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Speaker 8: I also loved, weirdly all the voyeuristic stuff, which was

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Speaker 8: fully Sorry, Jake, I know I love it, but Jake,

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Speaker 8: the constant scenes have been watching himself having sex with Olivia,

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Speaker 8: which is just you.

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Speaker 4: I want to make fun of him so bad. I

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Speaker 4: text him that all the times. I'm like, yep, I'm

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Speaker 4: on the episode where you're watching yourself throw Olivia on

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Speaker 4: the counter.

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Speaker 6: Jeez, weirdo.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes we have to look down.

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Speaker 5: Katie and I have have said this that sometimes we're

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Speaker 5: watching an episode where fits in Olivia or or you know,

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Speaker 5: Scott and Olivia and olivia're having sex, and I can't

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Speaker 5: look at the screen because I'm like, we know them,

665
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Speaker 5: they are friends.

666
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 3: It's like, what are you doing?

667
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 8: I have to say it is it's weirder now that

668
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 8: we've all known each other for so long.

669
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, I was.

670
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 8: Watching this stuff and I would have flashes of like,

671
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 8: can I remember going to the Democratic National Convention with

672
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 8: Tony what twenty sixteen or whatever it was, and Tony

673
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 8: and his wife and all anybody.

674
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 6: Could see was that, Oh yeah, women were as.

675
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 8: Swissed with him. They got it.

676
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 3: They still are.

677
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 4: It's really wild. Wait another one, the freaking Harrison Dean

678
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 4: oh in Olivia, Yes, where he's like end game, what is.

679
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 3: You're my client? Yeah?

680
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 8: And also this weird thing where she's passing the torch.

681
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I love that.

682
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 8: Scene because it's the first time she tries to patch

683
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 8: the torch. A couple of times over the course of

684
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 8: the series, but this, I think is the first time

685
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 8: you see her say I'm out. And I just kept

686
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 8: thinking how emotionally incredibly disappointing it is, how she always

687
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 8: has to do the right thing. And they did one

688
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 8: thing wrong, yeah, which was a big thing.

689
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 6: Oh, they just read a little election.

690
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 8: Hey, ye know, they did one thing wrong. But that

691
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 8: over and over and over again, she has to to

692
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 8: sacrifice that thing. You know where in the episode before

693
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 8: where they sit and they watch the clock and the album.

694
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 6: Leaf time have run out.

695
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 8: The album leaf stuff comes in, which is just like,

696
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 8: oh my god, and you know, Mellie's talking and she

697
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 8: realizes that it's actually really going to happen. And then

698
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 8: she starts this episode and she's she's like lighter. And

699
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 8: I keep watching the costumes too, in terms of what

700
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 8: people are wearing, like she's in a slightly sort of

701
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 8: like it feels slightly air and then little by little

702
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 8: by little, you see it dawn on her. And it's

703
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 8: a genius of Carrie, like you see it dawn on her.

704
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,959
Speaker 8: Over the course of the episode that they can't do this,

705
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 8: that Cyrus is right.

706
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 4: That he needs to get a second term and he's

707
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 4: got to win. I know you're right. Her acting at

708
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 4: the beginning of this episode, there's so much about her like,

709
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 4: oh my god, I'm going to get what I want.

710
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 4: I'm gonna not live this life. I'm going to be

711
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 4: with the man that I love. I can have normal

712
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 4: or whatever. Yeah, whatever that means to her. And then

713
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 4: you watch it slowly, act by act break down. She's

714
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 4: holding onto it and she's passing over Opa. She's done

715
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 4: being a fixer.

716
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 6: She can do it. She can do it.

717
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 4: And in that scene you guys were talking about the zoo,

718
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 4: she's still holding onto it. And then she starts. There's

719
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 4: that part where Cyrus is like, don't do this to me,

720
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 4: don't do this to us. Then she finds out about

721
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 4: the paper that he never submitted.

722
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 6: That's the paper what's it called, what's it called?

723
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 5: The thing saying that he wants to again, Yeah.

724
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 4: Never submitted it because he didn't think he deserved it,

725
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 4: and so she ends their relationship again. It's just like,

726
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 4: they keep us on this line, man, for seven seasons.

727
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 6: They keep us on this They.

728
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 8: Super super do. But then I also am like, I

729
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 8: was so delighted about the fact that Charlie makes an

730
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 8: entrance and now there's a Charlie in the world as well.

731
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 8: But also I just have to say for the record,

732
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 8: and I will prove myself to be the idiot I am.

733
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 8: I totally had forgotten that Billy Chambers comes back.

734
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: Oh, I forgot too. I watched it. I was like, oh, Billy,

735
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 3: Billy Chambers, you're not alone.

736
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 8: I the last time I saw Billy Chambers was he

737
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 8: was stabbing somebody with scissors.

738
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like.

739
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 8: To totally forgot that Billy Chambers is in the car, which, by.

740
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 4: The way, speaking of table reads, sometimes y'all would do

741
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 4: that to us too, which is we wouldn't know what

742
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 4: the storyline of what was happening, and then all of

743
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 4: a sudden, Billy Chambers would come back, or Greg Henry

744
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 4: or somebody had been around in two years or something,

745
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 4: and then they'd come back and we're.

746
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 3: Like, what are you doing?

747
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 6: Like we've learned that way that they're going to be

748
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 6: a part of it.

749
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 8: Oh, and how long did it take me to understand

750
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 8: that Billy and Tom are brothers?

751
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 3: Matt and Brian Lesher.

752
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, Matt and Brian Lesher great actors.

753
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 8: It took me like. It wasn't until somebody said, you

754
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 8: know their brothers.

755
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 4: I was like, really, wait, So we learned that Charlie

756
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 4: took the cidetron hard but it's okay.

757
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 3: No, well we think he did, but it was really

758
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: it was really Rosen.

759
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 4: It was David Rosen, yes, and he gave it to

760
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 4: Billy Chamber because.

761
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 8: David Rosen is not happy with the election fraud and

762
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 8: he keeps making it clearer. No, it's listening to him.

763
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,479
Speaker 8: All he wants to know is like, who's fits having

764
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 8: sex with? And you all did this really funny thing

765
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 8: where you keep going on that part. They take their

766
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 8: heads and they look around a lot, or they dip

767
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 8: their heads down.

768
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 4: Look down, look at each other, and he's like, oh,

769
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 4: I wonder who's banging the president and we all know

770
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 4: it's Olivia's that We're like, dude.

771
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,479
Speaker 8: It was also this great moment where Quinn obviously knows

772
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 8: how to dismember a body. At this point, you look

773
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 8: at Huck and you're so pleased with yourself.

774
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 3: And Abby says, ooh baby, oh.

775
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 4: Baby, I say some shit about hacking We're like trying

776
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 4: to send a trojan horse to Sally Langston's daughter.

777
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 6: That was it.

778
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 8: I love this Sally Langston thing. And then it's David

779
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 8: Rosen who comes up with the thing.

780
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, who's like, you got to get the meanest mean girl.

781
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: Which is so true. That's true.

782
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 6: Oh my god.

783
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 8: And then there's that really funny picture of this girl

784
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 8: with this nose before a nose job that was so vicious.

785
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 4: They must have built that, Like it looked so terrible

786
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 4: glue did you use like that?

787
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 3: It was like nozola on her face.

788
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 8: Wow, she was like the wicked witch in the Wizard

789
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 8: of Oz. Like.

790
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 4: I was like, is that like Shylock from Merchant to

791
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 4: Venice likes Shakespeare?

792
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 8: Katie Way to bring the level of the podcast up,

793
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 8: it looked really ridiculous.

794
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 4: I was like, this is so insane. Wait, some fun

795
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 4: facts about this episode. Sally says, the name of the

796
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 4: previous episode a woman scorn.

797
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 6: She's doing a walk and.

798
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 4: Talk down the White House hallways with Jeff and.

799
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 8: She's like trying to find out information.

800
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mellie's gonna come out tonight, She's gonna say it,

801
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 4: and well, you know, like the Bible says, hell, haf

802
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 4: no fury, like a woman scorned, and Jeff says something

803
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 4: like not everything's in the bally. Yeah, we should do

804
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 4: the whole series again and Guillermo should play in Cyrus. Okay,

805
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 4: since it wasn't said last time, it has been said

806
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 4: in almost every episode so far. According to the timeline

807
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 4: within the Scandal universe, Billy has been missing for a

808
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 4: year and six months.

809
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 8: This is when I'm saying till like, this is what

810
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 8: I'm saying, What the hell? What's the deal?

811
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 3: Right?

812
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 6: I mean, where'd he go? What's he been doing?

813
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 3: But how exciting when he pops back up right and like,

814
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 3: what the fuck?

815
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 8: It's amazing, yo.

816
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 5: One thing that I loved is one of the opening

817
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 5: scenes when Jeff Perry when Cyrus goes to Olivia's apartment

818
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 5: and is trying to get into the apartment and he's

819
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 5: yelling at Tom and the other guy, the other security

820
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 5: guy blowing his top again I know.

821
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 8: And then don't you love it when he tries to

822
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 8: go back again and he has the assistant lie to

823
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 8: get him in. Oh yes, he gets there, and the

824
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 8: same thing happens this time it's Jake. It's just like

825
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 8: that man cannot get in that woman's apartment no matter

826
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 8: what he does.

827
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 4: Also, my god, how how much sex to fits in

828
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 4: Olivia I have to have in this series.

829
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 8: It's like unbelievable. As I would say, I think most

830
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 8: of us. It either makes you feel like that's incredible

831
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 8: or I just feel bad about my life.

832
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just me.

833
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 4: I always think, like, God, did they have to shoot

834
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 4: that at five am on like a one day?

835
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

836
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 4: I alwaysistically, was it like at worked that day?

837
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 7: Oh?

838
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 8: Oh oh, teacher, teacher, teacher.

839
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 3: Also Beetsy Beer, thank you?

840
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 8: Did Josh Melina have a cold or the flu when

841
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 8: we were filming that episode?

842
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Betsy, I thought the same thing.

843
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 8: I remember that there was a couple of episodes where

844
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 8: he was like really sick. When he was describing the nose.

845
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 8: I turned to Bruce and I said, I remember this

846
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 8: because I remember we didn't know if we could shoot

847
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 8: with Josh because I think Josh had the flu or something.

848
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 3: You could hear.

849
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 6: This and I was like, Oh, no, someone's got a cold.

850
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 6: And you know what's so funny in this post COVID.

851
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 3: World, like that would have never happened.

852
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:58,959
Speaker 6: Things have changed so much.

853
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 4: Were like if you're really sick like that, Like you

854
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 4: can't go on a set and expose all of your castmates.

855
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 6: But the seven years of Scandal, we used to work,

856
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 6: oh full on fucking slugs. Oh you like, just get

857
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 6: it done.

858
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 4: If you can stand and you can walk, you can act,

859
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 4: get it together.

860
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 8: The only rule was you couldn't do love scenes if

861
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 8: you like had a fever or lots and lots of

862
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 8: snot right. So that was the only kind of waterloo.

863
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 8: But everybody would show up like hacking. Oh yeah, just

864
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 8: feeling sea dumbiting, he doesn't like a little diarrhea.

865
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 6: Gee, did you ever have to not come because you

866
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 6: were so sick?

867
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 3: No?

868
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 5: I remember the one time I almost didn't come. They

869
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 5: sent a doctor to my.

870
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 8: House to make sure you could.

871
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, and she gave me like a shot and like

872
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 5: a Z pack, and I was fine the next day.

873
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean fine enough.

874
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 4: How about when you came to work and you'd been

875
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 4: in the emergency room the whole night before because you,

876
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 4: by accident, were at a restaurant and had nuts and

877
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,280
Speaker 4: you're definitely allergic, and your whole body blew up.

878
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 5: Yes, And then I got a cold sore on my lip,

879
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 5: and we had to do that sex scene in the

880
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 5: conference room and Tom was like, Okay, it's gonna be

881
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 5: from behind, so we weren't facing each other.

882
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had to adjust.

883
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 8: That would be Tom Verica, our producer. Yes, of course

884
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 8: it's an actor, and not only was like the show

885
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 8: must go on, but figured out a way to film it.

886
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 4: Yep, on top of g on the conference wooden table.

887
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 4: We were supposed to make out and have sex, and

888
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 4: then he walked in and he was like, I'm so sorry,

889
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 4: I'm a cold sore. So I remembered Tom being like, oh,

890
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 4: it's okay.

891
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 6: He could just flip you around and the whole thing

892
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 6: just happens from behind. I was like, okay, and we

893
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 6: did it.

894
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 3: What season was that?

895
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 2: Was that?

896
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 3: Like? Season three? I don't know your I think it's four.

897
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 6: Idea, we'll get there. We will be back with more

898
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 6: after the break.

899
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 5: We also forgot to talk about the scene with you,

900
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 5: me and George Newburn Katie. I love that when I

901
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 5: have him taped up and I'm about to shoot him

902
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 5: after he gives us gives me the name of the mole,

903
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 5: and then Katie walks in with this beautifully like dun

904
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 5: hair and like hot lipstick. Did you notice that you

905
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 5: were like all made up?

906
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 8: Well, that was the thing. One of the things that

907
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 8: you do really notice is how shiny it is, Like

908
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 8: the whole show is super shiny. Everybody's up. It's a

909
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 8: really clean and pressed and you always look neat and

910
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 8: even after sex like fits. His shirts are crisp and

911
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 8: they come and Katie looked like, oh, just come off

912
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 8: like guest hosting Good Morning America.

913
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 6: My hair was just had come out of a set

914
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 6: of rollers.

915
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 8: You literally look like you're a guest hosting with Ryan Seacrest.

916
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was too much. I look better on this

917
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 6: show than.

918
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 4: That, honestly, Like I was like, also, I mean somebody,

919
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 4: I think I've gotten better at acting since then. My god,

920
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 4: it is hard for me to sometimes watch these scenes.

921
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 6: I'm like, what am I too doing? Like why, yeah.

922
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 8: I'm so good, You're so high on stupidity.

923
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 3: That's all in your head. We all need ourselves.

924
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 4: Nobody's thinking that how much chapstick lip gloss could I

925
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 4: possibly have on b Why am I talking like that?

926
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 4: Like why can't I just talk normal? Like what is happening?

927
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 4: I just am over the top acting and thank god,

928
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 4: Shanda and Betsy didn't kill Quinn off because I was like,

929
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 4: I am a failure, Like this.

930
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 8: Is hysterical, you're such a weirdo, Like you're so good.

931
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 8: And the whole point is Quinn was from the moment

932
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 8: you meet her, she's over eager, she's performative, she's she

933
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 8: puts that out there. That's the whole point. The same

934
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 8: way Huck is, you know, a semi vegetable half the

935
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 8: time until he comes.

936
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 6: Alive murdering people.

937
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 8: I mean, what's great is you get to know Huck

938
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 8: is you go It's almost like there's a trigger that

939
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 8: was built into him that at a particular point he

940
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 8: has to kill, like this is all he was good for.

941
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 8: Oh and that characters. What's great to me is as

942
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 8: you watch the show progress over the seasons, everybody really

943
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 8: knows how to write for the characters as they are.

944
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 8: You all pivoted as your characters would change. That's the

945
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 8: most incredible thing. So no shit talking about one's performance.

946
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 6: I say that to people all the time.

947
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 4: I feel really lucky, Like I think a lot of

948
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 4: times if you're if you're an actor and you're lucky

949
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 4: enough to land lightning in a bottle.

950
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 6: When you do, or if you do.

951
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 4: Most of the times the character you book is how

952
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 4: they stay for seven years, like especially on a sitcom

953
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 4: or especially like it is very rare for your character

954
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 4: to change. And that's what I thought was so awesome

955
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 4: about Scandal was like I got to do.

956
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 6: The craziest shit in the whole world.

957
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 4: And if you had showed me Quen season five, six

958
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 4: seven compared to one, two, three and all the I

959
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 4: mean the characters.

960
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 7: Melilly, Smelly, Melly, Yeah season two, like Mellie is she's

961
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 7: very self righteous and she's doing that low ballomy voice,

962
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 7: and she's wearing her suit and she's.

963
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 8: Very angry about everything. And then you think about where

964
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 8: we got to where you have, and so much of

965
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 8: it to me, in terms of the writing, is about

966
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 8: I've always said about this company, about what Shonda creates

967
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 8: and the writers. Everybody's three dimensional. As you start to

968
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 8: get to know a character, you think you know them,

969
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 8: and then something comes out, either in flashback or backstory

970
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 8: or their Achilles heel, and everything changes about how you

971
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 8: feel about those characters. And to the point where you know,

972
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 8: Olivia Pope brains the vice president with a chair.

973
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 3: That's right, and you're kind of like.

974
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 5: You had it coming well and also even fits killing Verna,

975
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 5: like all that shit was like.

976
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 4: What, yeah, how about the season where Fitz was just

977
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 4: a drunk, like just a mean, fucking drunk.

978
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 6: Sure, he's like awful to Melly.

979
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 3: He's after he got shot.

980
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 8: It's also like you meet us dad and you understand

981
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 8: the whole thing.

982
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Barry boss Wick like.

983
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 8: Oh, the poor Barry Poster. I mean he was like

984
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 8: the Robert bridegrim on Broadway and there he was just

985
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 8: being terrible. But yeah, No, it's those layers and depth

986
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 8: and the fact that very often the plot, which is

987
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 8: so incredibly engaging and involving, reveals not only another plot

988
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 8: point that either traumatizes or changes the way that you

989
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 8: operate as characters, but reveals something deeper that you didn't

990
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 8: know existed, which then allows the character to keep growing.

991
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 8: It's really cool and incredibly layered.

992
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 6: We felt very, very very lucky to do that.

993
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 4: Wait, fortunately, before we let you go, and we're going

994
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 4: to read some tweets at the time, was there any

995
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 4: of your favorite memories that come to mind.

996
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 5: Like meeting me and Katie for the first time, Well,

997
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 5: i'd met you.

998
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 8: Before, Gamo, so I was so excited to see you

999
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 8: because it was like a creepy reunion where I, like

1000
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 8: you first meet. He was in two hundred Cigarettes, which

1001
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 8: was the first movie I produced, and Ghirmo was hysterical

1002
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 8: and really really good in the movie.

1003
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 3: It's like a cult underground, like people love them. It's

1004
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 3: such a great movie.

1005
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 8: So I loved Gharma like and Ghirmou did me the

1006
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 8: ultimate solid, which we talked about in the podcast, which

1007
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 8: is yes, it's a long story, but he ended up

1008
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 8: playing Angie Featherstone in the back of a cap so

1009
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 8: I wouldn't have to dye my hair carrot orange and

1010
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 8: do a double for her because she wasn't with us anymore.

1011
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 8: She hadn't die, she just had to go on to

1012
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 8: another job. But I remember distinctly like being really excited

1013
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 8: to see Gheramo, and I'd met you a couple of times, Katie,

1014
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 8: because we came really close to casting you twice before,

1015
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 8: and we also had You've been You were in Gray's

1016
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 8: Anatomy too, weren't you.

1017
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm private practice.

1018
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I remember Seanda said, you get to call

1019
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 8: Ghirrimo and tell me about the part because you know

1020
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 8: him and you love him. So I got to call Ghirrimo.

1021
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, I remember that.

1022
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 8: Yes I got to call Gaermeau. But you know what,

1023
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 8: there's so much the casting process was really fun. I

1024
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 8: don't know if they're all of these weird because we

1025
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 8: all we all would hang out together too. Sometimes I would,

1026
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 8: I would see you all.

1027
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, we went upfronts together. We went two things together.

1028
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 8: I remember, do you remember these sacks fit the avenue

1029
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 8: window things?

1030
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh my god, we were Mannikins.

1031
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 8: We took over Sacksmith Avenue and they had sacks with

1032
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 8: avenue hosted. I think was Lynn pallow Is, the costume

1033
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 8: our brilliant costume designer who worked with a lot since

1034
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 8: and we sort of took over sacks We had this

1035
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 8: big party and there were all of these scandal mannequins

1036
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 8: with clothes on in the sax window, and all the

1037
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 8: actors climbed into the windows and stood next to their mannequins.

1038
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 8: And we couldn't get out of like a hotel without

1039
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 8: bringing you guys through the kitchen.

1040
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 3: It was Inese. Yes, we walked through so many kids.

1041
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 8: We went through so many kitchens in those days. So

1042
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 8: I remember, like all of those times the table reads.

1043
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 8: I remarily really well, and I remember realizing when the

1044
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 8: show was going to hit and sitting everyone down because

1045
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 8: we've been through with Grays and as I mean, I

1046
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 8: remember sitting down with you all and basically saying, Okay,

1047
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 8: so your lives are going to change and you have

1048
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 8: to be prepared for the fact that it's going to

1049
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 8: get really weird. And Katie was like, what do you mean.

1050
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I was like, why what are you talking about?

1051
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 4: This is what I remember, though, you guys being so

1052
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 4: giving and saying like, if you need anything, if something happens,

1053
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 4: like you get a fender bender, all the shit, you

1054
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 4: call me, call me. I don't want to find out

1055
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 4: Monday morning and the trade like you know, you guys

1056
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 4: had already been through a hit happening on Grays and

1057
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 4: it's skyrocketing so quickly. I think the greatest thing that

1058
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 4: happened to Scandal with it was a little bit more

1059
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 4: of a slower burn that people got turned onto the

1060
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 4: show like it was like it builds it was season two.

1061
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was like a bad season one under your belt.

1062
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 8: But the weirdest thing about it was because it didn't

1063
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 8: shoot out like a cannon when we started The weirdest

1064
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 8: thing was you were already used to it being fine

1065
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 8: to do whatever you wanted to do. You were going

1066
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 8: into like Loman's dressing room. So what everybody needs to

1067
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 8: know is like their Lomans was the store where you

1068
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 8: went in. There were communal dressing rooms. They had them

1069
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 8: in New York and different stores, And if you're from

1070
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 8: the East Coast, you're really used to this. And we

1071
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 8: found out as the show was becoming gigantic that Katie

1072
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 8: was still going into Lomans in the public dressing room

1073
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 8: and change your clothes. And I remember specifically saying, Katie,

1074
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 8: you can't go in the public dressing rooms anymore. Nope,

1075
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 8: because you're going to end up in your bronz panting.

1076
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 6: People are going to take photos of me and your

1077
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 6: underwear on the intranet.

1078
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 4: Yeah no, thank God said something to me. I was like,

1079
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 4: I think things are starting to get weird.

1080
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 8: The sales, you missed, the.

1081
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 6: Sales, sales all the time.

1082
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 4: Listen to some tweets at a time, y'all is the

1083
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 4: best improv.

1084
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 3: Artists and Whistler apparently.

1085
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 6: Wait, Betsy, did you join the Twitter for this show?

1086
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 6: Like we all did? I'm not on it. Much anymore.

1087
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 8: But I joined the tweets kate for this show specifically,

1088
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 8: and now I'm not.

1089
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 3: Yeah wait should I be off Twitter? Yes? Do I

1090
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 3: need to get off Twitter? Yeah?

1091
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 8: Right, I'm not off. I just don't check it or

1092
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 8: go on it for age.

1093
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 3: It's so sad and angry.

1094
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 4: Now, I know what I like about these is that

1095
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 4: it was a real time capsule for what was going on.

1096
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 4: Like at official JP Peace and Power Planet is coming.

1097
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 4: Me and my brother just had the ill convo trying

1098
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 4: to figure out who the mole is on hashtag scandal.

1099
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 6: This fool thinks it's fits. Lol, Guys the.

1100
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 5: Mole, that damn mole and then do better, y'all. At

1101
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 5: Miss Lynn ninety three tweeted, wait, what if how is

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Speaker 5: the mole? I knew he blinked too much hashtag scandal.

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Speaker 6: This is a good one.

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Speaker 4: At sunny Chaie tweeted, So I just told a friend

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Speaker 4: that I think Harrison is the mole on Scandal.

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Speaker 6: I think she just about passed out. Lol. We both

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Speaker 6: hope and I'm wrong. Here's the thing.

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Speaker 5: People were invested, man, They really were trying to figure

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Speaker 5: out who the male was.

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Speaker 4: We're so invested. And my favorite line of the episode

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Speaker 4: might be. Quinn was like, if I say the word

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Speaker 4: mole one more.

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Speaker 3: One more time? Yes, that was so good and you were.

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Speaker 8: Right, Betsy, Thank you so thank so much, so much fun.

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Speaker 8: Anytime you just want me on to talk randomly about

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Speaker 8: shit that has nothing to do with anything.

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Speaker 5: We definitely want to have you back on. We should

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Speaker 5: switch the roles and have her host and you and

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Speaker 5: I be the guests on on this podcast.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because she's such a better host than.

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Speaker 8: Guys are so full of shit. Your eyes are brown.

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Speaker 6: I've never heard that before.

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Speaker 8: Thank you so much for having me. This was so

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Speaker 8: much fun. I didn't have to work for like an hour.

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Speaker 4: This was so great And now you have so much

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Speaker 4: to do. And next up we've got the finale of

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Speaker 4: season two, episode two two, which is so good. White

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Speaker 4: hats back on people, and I think we have a

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Speaker 4: very very very another very special guest in our back

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Speaker 4: pocket coming. So make sure you tune into all your

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Speaker 4: friends like subscribe Unpacking the tool Yes at Girmo, how

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Speaker 4: do we say it en Espano.

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Speaker 3: De Ramientas Unpacking the Toolbox and.

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Speaker 6: Espanol Adeos Gladiators.

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Speaker 5: Thank you everybody, by Betsy, thank you guys for joining

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Speaker 5: us on Unpacking the Toolbox. If you enjoyed the show,

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Speaker 5: please subscribe, share with your friends, rate, or leave us

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Speaker 5: a review.

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Speaker 4: Scandal is executive produced by Sandy Bailey, Alex Alce, Lauren Homan,

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Speaker 4: Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and editor is

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Speaker 4: Vince De Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher. Unpacking the

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Speaker 4: Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in partnership with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 4: For more podcasts from Shondaland Audio, visit the iHeartRadio app

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