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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back the Bob Left That's podcast. My

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Speaker 1: guest today is skier artist filmmaker Chris ben Scheffler. Chris,

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Speaker 1: how'd you get involved with the Grateful?

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Speaker 2: Did straight to the punch? That is a long winded question.

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Speaker 2: Luckily we're on a long form podcast here. Ah. I

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Speaker 2: got introduced to the music by let's call him an uncle.

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Speaker 2: He's a family friend, but he comes to all the

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Speaker 2: holidays and has been a part of my life for

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Speaker 2: quite some time now. And he's been following him since

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Speaker 2: he was sixteen and gone to many, many hundreds of

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Speaker 2: shows and listened to him in the car pretty NonStop.

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Speaker 2: And it's slowly in my early twenties, just started infiltrating,

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Speaker 2: infiltrating my mind a little bit, and I started listening

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Speaker 2: into them more and more. And it is very synonymous

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Speaker 2: with mountain culture and growing up in the mountains and

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Speaker 2: being a skier. It was always around and always something

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Speaker 2: that I was really into, and so I just kept

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Speaker 2: getting more into it. And then twenty sixteen, when Dead

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Speaker 2: and Co started touring, I believe that was when it

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Speaker 2: was might have been twenty fifteen. He took me to

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Speaker 2: my first show and I got to see the magic

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Speaker 2: in person and just see Shakedown Street and see the community,

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Speaker 2: and I was hooked ever since. And then around that time,

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Speaker 2: I picked up a guitar started playing songs myself, and

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Speaker 2: then it just kept going. And I can keep talking

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Speaker 2: if you want, because then we'll go.

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Speaker 1: Into no no keeping talking.

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Speaker 2: I'm listening, Okay, Okay, Well, I just don't want to

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Speaker 2: say too much. But then it keep fast forwarding. Get

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Speaker 2: to twenty eighteen. An offer comes across my desk to

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Speaker 2: help make some Grateful Dead skis. The Grateful Dead had

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Speaker 2: success in the snowboard community with Burton Snowboards for a

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Speaker 2: few years, and I have my own skis that I

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Speaker 2: designed with Atomic. I'm also an artist, so I do

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Speaker 2: the artwork on my skis, and I'm also a fan

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Speaker 2: of the music at this point a big fan. And

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Speaker 2: then I get the offer to do do a ski

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Speaker 2: with the Grateful Dead. And instead of just putting artwork

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Speaker 2: on a ski, because I'm an artist both on skis

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Speaker 2: and with my paintbrush, I wanted to create something more meaningful.

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Speaker 2: So through that process I get introduced to Mark Pinkis

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Speaker 2: and David Lemieux, and I pitched them this concept of

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Speaker 2: Fire on the Mountain, which was a film.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, second, okay, you're sitting in Mammoth Lakes, You're

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Speaker 1: fucking around. All of a sudden you get an email

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Speaker 1: out of the bloom about the Grateful Dead.

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Speaker 2: It's not entirely out of the blue. I'm glad we're

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Speaker 2: backtracking here. So uh, this guy Todd Jones, who owns

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Speaker 2: a production company in the ski world called Teton Gravity Research.

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Speaker 2: His son skis on My skis on Atomic, and we

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Speaker 2: were doing this little film in Mammoth kind of born

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Speaker 2: on Bent because I called my skis the Bent Chetler

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Speaker 2: I'm playing guitar. I also have a nice vinyl collection.

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Speaker 2: Dead is a part of that vinyl collection. I can't

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Speaker 2: quite recall if a record was playing, or if I

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Speaker 2: was playing Ripple or going down the Road. And Todd

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Speaker 2: had this light bulb moment because this other gentleman, Brian Francis,

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Speaker 2: apparel business within TGR and Brian Francis had done a

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Speaker 2: asked Todd, do you know any ski companies that would

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Speaker 2: want to do a Grateful Dead license? Todd sitting on

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Speaker 2: my couch, We're playing dead music, and the light bulb

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Speaker 2: story continues to unfold from there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Mark pinkis who runs Rhino Records, which distributes the

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Speaker 1: Grateful Dead stuff. You reach out to them and tell

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Speaker 1: us exactly what you pitch them.

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Speaker 2: You're testing my memory here. I pitch them a concept

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Speaker 2: because I'm a fan of the music, because I'm a filmmaker,

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Speaker 2: concept to invent led skeleton suits and make these skis

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Speaker 2: with the Grateful Dead and make a film that was

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Speaker 2: inspired by their improvisational music. Because their improvisation ties directly

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Speaker 2: So I pitched this idea. Mark didn't get it, so

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Speaker 2: And I stretched the truth a little bit because at

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Speaker 2: So I knew I believed in myself enough that my

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Speaker 2: concept and my past experience. I did another night film

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Speaker 2: So we filmed the segment at Mammoth, sent it to

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Speaker 1: Basically, Okay, you're gonna make a film. How much money

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Speaker 1: were you asking what was the budget?

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Speaker 2: The budget was not nearly enough. It was a passion

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Speaker 2: So the budget was coming from there was you know,

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Speaker 2: tens of thousands of dollars from the Atomics and Mammoth

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Speaker 2: all of these things. So I was scrummaging together money

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Speaker 2: anywhere and everywhere I could to create this concept and

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Speaker 2: through sponsors, through different outlets and fundraising, just like you

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Speaker 2: do to make an indie film.

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Speaker 1: I guess, okay, you have the concept. Does the ski

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Speaker 2: So this concept was to be a marketing effort and

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Speaker 2: an art piece that would tie directly to the skis

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Speaker 2: Because of my relationships with other brands, I then tied in.

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Speaker 2: I introduced The Grateful Dead to Smartwroll and some of

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Speaker 2: So it was this big, this big uh I guess

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Speaker 2: and all of these things that just kept growing and growing.

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Speaker 2: That will obviously get into as you continue to ask

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Speaker 1: Okay, if someone wants to see the film today. Can

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Speaker 1: they They can?

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Speaker 2: It is on YouTube for free.

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Speaker 1: Fire on the Mountain is okay, let's go back a second.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna make this ski with the Grateful Dead. How

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Speaker 2: That is negotiated between the Grateful Dead and Atomic Skis,

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Speaker 2: and they wanted something valuable. There was work on my end.

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Speaker 2: Atomic is an Austrian based ski company. The Grateful Dead

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Speaker 2: then the Grateful Dead and Atomic worked on the second

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Speaker 1: Okay, is this relationship with Atomic the Grateful Dead played out?

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Speaker 1: Or will there be any skis in the future.

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Speaker 2: There will definitely be skis in the future. There's a

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Speaker 2: pair of sitting in Bernie's office right now.

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Speaker 1: So Bernie Bob Weir's manager. Okay, In any event, you

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Speaker 2: Luckily, my creation of art is the same, and I

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Speaker 2: I don't I obviously have decades of iconography to pull from,

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Speaker 2: So how I paint is quite literally and figuratively, just

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Speaker 2: And I just help bring this painting out into the

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Speaker 2: So let's just stay on this project for a moment.

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Speaker 2: So my friend Conrad and David Lemieux suggests that I

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Speaker 2: His assistant at the time owned a pair of my skis,

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Speaker 2: the trash, and Bill read it again. Didn't understand it still,

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Speaker 2: so Bill, I left my phone number. Bill cold calls me.

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Speaker 2: It's like, first I believe he told me. He called

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Speaker 2: Pinkus and Lemieux to verify that I was really who

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Speaker 2: We end up talking for an hour or more and

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Speaker 2: help me, help me to bring it to life. So

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Speaker 2: we go and record Bill Walton for the narration. Then

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Speaker 2: a lot of other things happened. There's other sports within

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Speaker 2: Where I'm born in Bishop, California, just south of Mammoth Lakes, California,

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Speaker 2: That's the only real sad part about it is you

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Speaker 2: Mother's backstory is a little more simple from what I

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Speaker 2: more of a fair weather. She goes a couple times

435
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 2: a year only when it's sunny and soft and beautiful out.

436
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 2: So she certainly came up here, I think more for

437
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: the social atmosphere of it and just escaping the hustle

438
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 2: and bustle of the city life. And she has worked

439
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 2: retail for the Mountain, so she works for Mammoth Mountain

440
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 2: and Alterra and she's in a manager role, and she's

441
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: quite social and loves it, and I think she's, yeah,

442
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: just a happy, happy She's she's had tough life too.

443
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: She did get remarried and that has been sadly died

444
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 2: unexpectedly too. But other than that, she's she's very happy

445
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 2: living in the mountains. Let's just say that.

446
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: Okay, your father dies, she's a contractor. Doesn't that mess

447
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: up your family economically?

448
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: It does? But right at that time, I at sixteen

449
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: years old, I was just getting my first sponsors and

450
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: becoming a professional skier. So because we sold our house

451
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 2: and Bishop and my mom bought a house in Mammoth,

452
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: I was able to support myself By being able to

453
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 2: live with my mom, I could buy my food and

454
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: pay I didn't have to pay rent, so I could

455
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 2: purchase my snowmobile and invest in myself for my career.

456
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 2: And as that began to blossom, it became a legitimate

457
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: career that then was able to obviously support myself, purchased

458
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: a home and went down that road.

459
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So when do you first put on skis

460
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: and how much are you ski?

461
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 2: I before I can remember, so two years old, I

462
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: probably was put on skis. I was told I did

463
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: not like it, and my mother did save a little

464
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 2: illustrated book that I made of from second grade that

465
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 2: says that I want to and am going to be

466
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: I'm a pro skier. So clearly, somewhere early early on,

467
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: after I apparently didn't like it, I turned my love

468
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 2: around for it and then skied every chance I can remember.

469
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: Okay, if you're growing up in Bishop, which is about

470
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: forty five minutes through now depending on the weather, away

471
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: from Mammoth Lakes, and you're going to school, you're basically

472
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: skiing on the weekends or what's going on.

473
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, early days, But I was starting to show some

474
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: promise in ski racing, and so I started living with

475
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: my friends in Mammoth and my parents were supportive. I mean,

476
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: my dad was a ski bomb at heart, and so

477
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: I was living his dream. So he was letting me

478
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: as long as I got a's in school. He was

479
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: letting me miss school. And I wasn't necessarily academically gifted,

480
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: so I was doing the school and probably not the

481
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: best way. I was having my friends help me with

482
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: homework and all the things, just to make sure that

483
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: I can I could keep skiing and keep missing missing class.

484
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: And so that went on until he died, and then

485
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: I did. I joined what's called independent study, which is

486
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: at school you go to once a week and you

487
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: turn in your work and take a test. And the

488
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: teacher saw promise in my skiing, so I would take

489
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: big chunks of time off from that, just turn in

490
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: all my work at once and carried on. And I

491
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: was able to finish school early just by completing all

492
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: the work. And I never actually walked in a graduation.

493
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: So I just finished my high school and focused on skiing.

494
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: Okay, when did you express an interest in.

495
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: Art before skiing? I drew on every blank piece of paper.

496
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: I still am the classic doodler, but in class I

497
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: was always drawing on my homework or any any paper

498
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 2: in front of me. So I was kind of pinned

499
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: as the kid that could draw in school, and so

500
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: I always took an interest in it. But until I

501
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: had my own ski, that's when I could share my

502
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 2: art with the world. I guess, and that I never

503
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: sought to become an artist per se. I was focused

504
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: on my ski career and art making was always a

505
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: passion in conjunction with skiing. And then once I had

506
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: a ski that represented me and my style of skiing,

507
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: and the top sheet and the base where my artwork.

508
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: That then gave me this global my artwork a global stage,

509
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 2: if you will, and almost like became its own gallery

510
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: to some sort. And then because my ski was widely

511
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: appreciated in Europe and China and Japan and all of

512
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: these different places, then people started expressing interest in my artwork,

513
00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: and then that just continues to grow.

514
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: Okay, you're a racer racing and free skiing, although a

515
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: lot of racers end up in free skiing. But when

516
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: you're young coming up, how good a racer were you

517
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: and how did you make a transition into free skiing?

518
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: Well? I wasn't good enough, So that's why I transitioned.

519
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: I just I don't have the fire that you need

520
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: to be the best. I'm way more of a creative

521
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: and way more of an artist, and I always cared

522
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: more about having fun and racing felt like a job

523
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: to me, and wearing a downhill suit in the cold

524
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: on a powder day and training gates when my snowboarder

525
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: friends were riding powder just did not sit well with me.

526
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: So as soon as I as soon as I my

527
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: parents let me, I quit racing, basically, and that was

528
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: around age fourteen, right around the time my dad got sick,

529
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: and then that very first year the terrain parks. So

530
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 2: I'm thirty eight, so when I was fourteen, let's call

531
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: that I could do some fast math. I'm born eighty six.

532
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: So in two thousand, as around that time, the terrain

533
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: park was getting really big, and I all of the

534
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: industry came to Mammoth because Mammoth was one of the

535
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 2: first terrain parks that allowed both snowboarding and skiing. All

536
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: the professionals came here and I was recognized, given a

537
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: free pair of skis and.

538
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: Who wha, wha, wha, wha, Wait a little bit slower,

539
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: because it's really a religious issue. Did you ever snowboard?

540
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: Because what happened was everybody went to snowboarding, and then

541
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the skiers started performing amazing tricks

542
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: in the pipe and skiing became hip again. Where were

543
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: you on this spectrum?

544
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: I am the young side of that generation that invented

545
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: the free ski movement. I guess you could say there

546
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: were people certainly before me, A couple of my mentors,

547
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: one in particular that died in an avalanche. But his

548
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: name was JP Elclaire, and they called them the Canadian

549
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: Air Force. There was a few of them that helped

550
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: invent Solomon's first twin tip ski and then once you

551
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: could ski backwards. I was just coming out of racing,

552
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: and now my brother had switched to snowboarding. He's two

553
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 2: years older than me, and his best friend was one

554
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: of the world's best snowboarders. I was a skateboarder. All

555
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: of these things, I was headed in the snowboard path,

556
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,719
Speaker 2: but right at that time, skiing, as you said, was

557
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: just being reinvented. So I was on the forefront of

558
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: helping reinvent it and shape it into something where I

559
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: was taking influence from the snowboard culture and putting that

560
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: into the ski culture.

561
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: In terms of the terrain park, because you're most famous

562
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: is a big mountain skier. In terms of the terrain park,

563
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: how much time did you put in it? How good

564
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: were you? What was your experience there?

565
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: I put in a lot of time. That's how we

566
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: had to learn how to do all these tricks. We

567
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: didn't have air bags and trampoline, foam pits and all

568
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: these things that they use nowadays to train. So everything

569
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: I did was done in the train park and I

570
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 2: had broken femurs and collar bones and all the things.

571
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 2: So it was it was trial by error basically, and

572
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: that once you get enough of a base, like you

573
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 2: learn the basics the back flip, the three sixties, the

574
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: seven twenties, and you kind of build every there's a

575
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 2: structure that you build upon, and then you just keep

576
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: taking it. More spins, more flips, all the things that

577
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: you see today if you were to watch the Olympics

578
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: slope style or X Games or anything. And I once

579
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: I got to a point where I felt like I

580
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: had the basics down, then I put all of my

581
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: effort into the backcountry, and then I became more obsessed

582
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: with how a ski turns, and how to slash like

583
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: they do with surfing, and how to read the terrain

584
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: quite creatively and differently. And I was on the forefront

585
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: of rockered skis and being the first to kind of

586
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: experiment with these different, fatter, wider ski shapes and just

587
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: influencing my ideas into actual ski engineering and technology, even

588
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: though I'm not an engineer and I don't under pretend

589
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: to understand how all the layers do what they do

590
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 2: and why you put in certain types of wood versus others.

591
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 2: But what I do know is how it feels under

592
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 2: my feet, and I have a pretty strong knack for

593
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 2: flex patterns and with and how torsionally how a ski feels.

594
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: So okay, let's go back. How's your body today?

595
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny you should ask I was. It's not good.

596
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: At the moment, I was skateboarding. I was in San

597
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: Diego and I was skateboarding to get a coffee. And

598
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: I used to skateboard a lot, don't skateboard nearly as

599
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: much anymore, so I'm a little rusty. And I hit

600
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 2: a rock unexpectedly, went flying and hit my hip, and

601
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: I thought I just had a bruised hip. But I

602
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 2: just got an MRI result like yesterday, two days ago,

603
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: and I have a couple of little fractures on my

604
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: hip right now. So I've been limping around a little

605
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: at the moment. But I thought I went skiing. I

606
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: was just in Canada, and I've been trying to push

607
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 2: through the pain, thinking I was just being a baby.

608
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: But it turns out I have a little fracture in

609
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: my top of my femur.

610
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: So okay, irrelevant of this recent accident, you've broken certain bones,

611
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: you know, what have you in pain as a result?

612
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: You know you're moving okay, or basically you're fine, just

613
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 1: came out the other side.

614
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: Ah, there's pain. But I take good care of myself.

615
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,959
Speaker 2: I eat quite healthy in the grand scheme of things.

616
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: I have two small children, so I am their garbage

617
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 2: disposal on all the casadillas and things they don't finish.

618
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 2: But I eat relatively healthy, and I rock climb a lot.

619
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 2: I used to rock climb a lot more before I

620
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 2: became a filmmaker. This la last film has been taking

621
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: all of my time. And then I mountain bike and

622
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 2: I'm very active, so my body is in constant use,

623
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: and I feel like that keeps me pretty limber and loose.

624
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: And I've gone through stages of yoga and jim like

625
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: if I do have an injury, once I'm able to

626
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 2: rehab this, I'll spend a little bit of time in

627
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: the gym, but traditional working out is a bit stale

628
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 2: to me. So I like to go climb up a rock,

629
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: and I live close to Yosemite and Bishop so I

630
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: have the world's best right right in my front and backyard.

631
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: Basically, Okay, he kind of answered the question. But I'm

632
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: gonna go there again? Are you the type of guy

633
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: who cuts the cast off early and defies the doctors

634
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: and pushes through very much?

635
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: So, since a very young age, I was that guy.

636
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 2: I broke my wrists wrists plural, maybe six to seven

637
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: times when I was a young kid, and I got

638
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: to the point where I would bring my ski pole

639
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: in so the doctor could form my cast around my

640
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: ski pole because I was going to ski anyways. So yes,

641
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: very much. I'm always pushing and I just I need

642
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: to be I need to be moving. I don't sit

643
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: very well.

644
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go back to the park. For those who

645
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: don't know, Mammoth is the epicenter with the best park.

646
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: You're there, you live in Mammoth, whatever. People have no

647
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: idea how big a deal it is to get sponsored

648
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: and get a free payer of sky. So there's this

649
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: threshold there. Everybody's talking about getting sponsored. Tell me your experience.

650
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: It was very humbling, exactly that, like my peers, my friends,

651
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 2: my mentors. There's so many people. Everyone was in this

652
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: movement trying to get seen and recognized. But there's a

653
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: very very very small percentage of people that stand above

654
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: the rest. And if you're in racing, you're just the

655
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: fastest in our world. It's creativity, it's style, It's all

656
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 2: of these elements that you can't really teach or coach.

657
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 2: You just are born with it and you it. It's

658
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: the same as how I started this podcast, how my

659
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: art comes through me. It's just something that lives deep

660
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 2: within and is maybe from a past life. I don't know,

661
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: but it is. Style is very much how how someone

662
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: is looked at as unique and different. And you can

663
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: and see that in the style that Jerry Garcia played

664
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: the guitar. It was very different than anyone else and

665
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: that's why he stood out and was what he was.

666
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: So okay, so who was your first ski sponsor?

667
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 2: K two was my first key sponsor and I stayed

668
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: with them until two thousand and seven and then I

669
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: switched to Atomic. So I think, as I mentioned, I

670
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: want to say I was fifteen, fourteen, fifteen when so

671
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: about ninety eight ninety nine when K two sponsored me

672
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 2: and then switched over to Atomic in two thousand and seven,

673
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Speaker 2: and then we built something truly remarkable at Atomics.

674
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's go back. Why just switch from K two

675
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Speaker 1: to Atomic?

676
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: Instinct and opportunity and the ability to express my artistic concepts.

677
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: So K two had the best team in this new

678
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: skiing movement, and I was just one of many, if

679
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: you will. Atomic on the other hand, was so solely

680
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 2: focused on racing, and they had Darren Rahlves and Body

681
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 2: and some of the people that you know, and they

682
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 2: were crushing it in a race environment, but so focused

683
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 2: on the European skier they did not understand North America.

684
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Speaker 2: And so as we talked about, with the influence of

685
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: snowboarding and skiing was on this huge uprise, Atomic was

686
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: falling way behind. So this gentleman Jordan Judd, who I'm

687
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: now working with again on some Grateful Dead stuff, which

688
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 2: is story for later. But Jordan Judd got brought on

689
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: to help ramp up that North American market. He called me.

690
00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: It was just after one of my more successful seasons. Say,

691
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: I'd had the cover of Powder magazine, the Photo Annual,

692
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: which is a highly acclaimed cover. To have it's like

693
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: the in the top issue of that year, I guess,

694
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: and so that was amazing. I had a segment with

695
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: Warren Miller over in Japan. I had the closing segment

696
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 2: in a Poor Boys production, which is closing and opening

697
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: segments are generally seen as the two most important segments.

698
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: And then I had a segment with I think I

699
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 2: might have well. So there was another nimbus independent which

700
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 2: I ultimately helped start. The next year had made a

701
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 2: film called Idea, and I had a segment in there.

702
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: So anyways, I was just widely spread in that two

703
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: thousand and seven year, and Jordan came to me asking

704
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 2: for my help to put Atomic on the map. And

705
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: because K two was doing so well and Atomic was not,

706
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: I saw this as an opportunity for me to be

707
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: able to put my art on skis and to design

708
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: a shape and do all of these things that felt

709
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 2: more like an extension of me. And so I believed

710
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: in Atomic. Atomic believed in me, and I was kind

711
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: of at the forefront of what they're known as today,

712
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: and they're the number one globally recognized ski brand, which

713
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: is pretty incredible.

714
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Speaker 1: So, Okay, you're now in this world. You talk about

715
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: cover of powder and different other things. It is a

716
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: very small community. Everybody knows everybody. Was it just the

717
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: fact that people knew you or were you working it?

718
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: Were you saying, man, this is what I want to do.

719
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: Let me talk to these people when you get an opportunity.

720
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: How did these covers in these opening and closing segments

721
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: actually come together?

722
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: The covers in the segments came through performance and creative ideas.

723
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: But I certainly, as you know, just based on our conversations,

724
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 2: I have the personality that likes to likes to meet

725
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: people and so and build relationships, and I think I

726
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 2: have an ability I'm realizing more and more to just

727
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: build build meaningful relationships with people and connect with them

728
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: on a very authentic level, so that just it kind

729
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: of goes hand hand in hand if you will.

730
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: Okay, how does it go for you? From the pipe

731
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: to big Mountain?

732
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: It was an easy transition because I and I was

733
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: more of a slope style skier, which is the jumps

734
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 2: and pipe I did. Everyone did everything back in those

735
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 2: early two thousands. But pipe always terrified me actually because

736
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 2: your margin of error is so minimal. You're either land

737
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 2: if you screw it up, you're landing on complete flat

738
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: on the top, or you're missing the whole transition and

739
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: landing in the bottom. So I hated the pipe just

740
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 2: because I never quite figured it out. But the park

741
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: was an easy transition because, like I said, once I

742
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: figured out how to do all of those tricks, my

743
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: true passion and my true calling was in the mountains,

744
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 2: and so hiking up mountains and being active and riding powder,

745
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: all of that was deeply inspiring to me, and so

746
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: it was it was very easy to just merge those

747
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 2: two worlds together.

748
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Speaker 1: And how about the Free Ride World Tour?

749
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 2: I never did the Free Ride World Tour. It's it's unfortunate.

750
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: It had has potential, and it's just once again going

751
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 2: back to my racing days, any of my competitive days,

752
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 2: I'm just not a competitive person, way more into the

753
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: artistry and the creation of it all. So I just

754
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 2: never had any interest in competing in it. And I

755
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 2: didn't need to compete in it because my creativity was

756
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: making enough of a splash, if you will, or it

757
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: was grabbing attention of my sponsors and things, so I

758
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: didn't have to go prove myself in a competition setting.

759
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: Okay, that's the key element, you said, sponsors. He gets

760
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 1: skis from K two. This is where you were mentioning

761
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: this earlier. I didn't want to stop you. Then you

762
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: have a cornucopia a sponsor. How did you build all that?

763
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: It goes really to the relationship building and the trust.

764
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: And I think the two decades of proving that I

765
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: have a work ethic that is desirable. I take every

766
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,439
Speaker 2: effort and I also invest in myself, which is rare

767
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: most athletes. Most people just expect everything to be given

768
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: to them, and they want everything handed to them on

769
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: a silver bladder. And I had just a deeper respect

770
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: for what I was getting to do and a work

771
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 2: ethic that kept wanting to push further and push new

772
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 2: concepts and ideas and creations, and so sponsors take note

773
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: of it. When you have when you have video segments,

774
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 2: when you have magazine coverage, when you have relationships of

775
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 2: other athletes or other team managers. People like you said,

776
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: it's a small world, So people talk to people and

777
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 2: they see what you're capable of creating. And my ideas

778
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: were always new and fresh, and I just keep putting

779
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: ideas like the Grateful Dead film, or I made some

780
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 2: films with GoPro when I was early on in GoPro

781
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: as one of their athletes and did some pretty uh

782
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: successful films with them as well.

783
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: So when you say you invest in yourself, what exactly

784
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: do you.

785
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: Mean Financially like if you need to go spend the

786
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 2: time in Alaska and pay for helicopter time that your

787
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: sponsors aren't going to cover because you want to get

788
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 2: the right footage that represents your skiing in the right way,

789
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: or if you travel to Europe more than you initially

790
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: agreed to, or if you like I just take opportunities

791
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 2: and efforts to get myself out there and get myself

792
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: in front of in front of opportunity, if you will,

793
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: And situations like if I a film project that sounds interesting,

794
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 2: if a sponsor is not going to pay me to

795
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: be in it, I would still choose to be in

796
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 2: it because I believe in it.

797
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: So okay, very granular. You start with K two, who's

798
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: the next sponsor?

799
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: Dragon? I wear so my goggles I've been on for

800
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 2: over twenty years now, which is incredible. I still have

801
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: them today, which is amazing. So them and Dekine, which

802
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 2: makes gloves and backpacks, and I left to Kine a

803
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 2: few years ago for Artarix clothing, but I was with

804
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 2: Dekine for a long time, and then I've been with

805
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: smart Wolve socks and bass layers for quite some time,

806
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 2: and I've been with Mammoth since day one, Mammoth Mountain

807
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: has has a very strong marketing presence in the world

808
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: of mountains. I guess you could say like they use

809
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 2: they utilize me a lot, from my go pro videos

810
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 2: to my photos to whatever, like billboards when you're driving

811
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 2: from LA to Mammoth a lot of times are myself

812
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 2: or there's all these different opportunities that they use with

813
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 2: me and then pro. I've been on this for over

814
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 2: over a decade as well, and I've now invested in

815
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: some companies and kind of have part ownership if you will,

816
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 2: and in some different concepts and ideas, and then atomic

817
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: like we mentioned, and I'm probably forgetting a few, but

818
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 2: I've been very supported in my career. So the thanks

819
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 2: to everyone that's listening.

820
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: Okay, there's in kind sponsorship where people give you the

821
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: goods and then there's cash involved. In the racing world,

822
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: you know, they have victory schedules, so if you're successful,

823
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: the pay goes up whatever. Traditionally in free skiing, I

824
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: haven't seen that. So how does a compensation work.

825
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 2: It's annual or multi year contracts, and it is I'm

826
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 2: at a point in my life I'm approaching forty and

827
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: I've proved myself for over twenty years that I don't

828
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: do any in kind sponsorships anymore. That's very much when

829
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: I was getting started. That's how you have to start.

830
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 2: You have to get yourself out there. You have to

831
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 2: prove yourself. But I certainly don't have the I mean,

832
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: I have a family to support and mortgage and all

833
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 2: the things. So it's what's your time worth basically, It's

834
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 2: just like anything. So generally speaking, I try to align

835
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 2: myself with sponsors that I see a very long career

836
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 2: path with and a roadmap into a legend stor legacy

837
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: status like a Glenn Blake, for instance. He still has

838
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: a lot of sponsor support because of what he built.

839
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 2: And I mean, I know this is a podcast about me,

840
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: but I want to know more about your skiing and

841
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: where you've skied and who you've skied with it stuff.

842
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll make it very short because you know I

843
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: want to make it about you. I grew up. I

844
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: grew up in Connecticut, so that your weekend skier that

845
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: we got a house in Vermont. I was on the

846
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: ski racing team at Bromley, which is skiery and Vermont.

847
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: I was a shitty ski racer. We could basically talk

848
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: about that. I went to Middlebury College and Vermont because

849
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 1: the college had its own ski area. I skied more

850
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: than anybody there. I'm type person if it's raining whatever,

851
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: I'm still out there. And the last year I was

852
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 1: at Middlebury was a really shitty year, and I wanted

853
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: to go where the most guaranteed snow was, which it

854
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: was Little Cottonwood Canyon, Alton Snowbird, Okay, And little did

855
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: I know at the time that was the epicenter of

856
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: freestyle skiing. You know, it's really spread. So everybody was there,

857
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: Scott Brooks Bank, you know, all these other people. So

858
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: the second year, I mean, this is really kind of

859
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: funny because I broke my leg in a freak accident

860
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the year, got to Snowbird in January.

861
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: Snowbird closes, it doesn't anymore, and we all want to

862
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: ski more. So we all went to Mammoth for the

863
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: month of May seventy five. We all agree with the

864
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: best time of our entire lives. Amazing and you know,

865
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,479
Speaker 1: and you know we were these you know.

866
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 2: I wonder if you met my parents, Well.

867
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: I know your mother wants in a retail thing. But

868
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: you know, we were the guys from Utah. You know,

869
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: in May there aren't that many people there. We're cutting

870
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: figure rates off of Philips just to the side of

871
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 1: there what you can see from their lives. And they say,

872
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, did you see it? They go, yeah, no,

873
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: these guys did it. So I was skiing with the

874
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: best skiers in the world at their level. And then

875
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: you know, the freestyle thing is very official. I mean

876
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: Park Smally he came. You know, there's all these people.

877
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: At the beginning, I knew yeah, and then I competed

878
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: the next year, and then I realized, wait a second,

879
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: this is you know, people like Brooks baking. There are

880
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: people who thrive on competition, and we're better in competition.

881
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: And you realize to get over that hump so you

882
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: don't choke. That's going to take years. And they say,

883
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: and there's only some. There was a guy, Dirk Douglass,

884
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 1: who skied with a who did a flip in Vermont

885
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: and became paraplegic. He still is a youthais a photographer

886
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: and as a result, you know, they banned in vertage

887
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: and the whole scene died. And this is sort of

888
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: you know, one thing I want to get back to

889
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: you with you because I had the world's worst case

890
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: of mononoucleosis from we went to a competition in Keystone

891
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: and then I went to Aspen Highland. You know, I'm

892
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: really going too deep here. Back in the day, the

893
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: only Aspen mountain that you could get a pass at

894
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: was Aspen Highlands. That's where all the locals were, and

895
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: that's where my friends keied and we all shared a joint.

896
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: And I got the world's worst case of mononucleosis. So

897
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: I ended up going to law school because my father

898
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: said he would always pay because I was sick. I

899
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:50,720
Speaker 1: was down and out, and then until twenty eleven twenty twelve,

900
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: which is a really shitty ski season. The worst ski

901
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 1: season was seventy six to seventy seven, which I used

902
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,479
Speaker 1: to bring this up all the time and people would say, huh.

903
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: But when it was so bad at twenty eleven to twenty twelve,

904
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: they started writing about seventy six seventy seven. So I

905
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: called all my friends and you took us. I was

906
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: gonna drop out and said, this is Christian time, this

907
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: is before it's snowmaking in Western resorts. And they said,

908
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: you know, we're going home for Christmas. There's no snow. Okay.

909
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 1: So I found with some girl. It carried me through

910
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: law school, just talking about the skiing thing. If you

911
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 1: ski every day, it is very difficult to ski occasionally

912
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna look as good to everybody else. But there's

913
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: a very fine edge that, you know. I used to

914
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: say it take thirty days. It's talking about a thing.

915
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: Maybe you can do it in twenty days. It's like

916
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: you're just recovering in this circumstances whatever. Yeah, And then

917
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: in ninety six, this is all music business people, and

918
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: I'm leaving that side of my life out. So I

919
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: was skiing fifteen to twenty days because it was too

920
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: painful to be honest with you. And this friend of

921
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: mine said, come out. I got a place in Veil

922
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: and I was going to cancel at the last minute,

923
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: and I literally called to cancel and they said, oh,

924
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: he's got his wife over so excited you're coming, blah

925
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. So he moved to Aspen and

926
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 1: had a convention. I just came home from there. So

927
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: now I'm skiing like twenty twenty five days a year,

928
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: getting it. You know, you know, the equipment is a

929
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: thing unto itself. Let's not talk Marcel Herscher, who's really

930
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: about the angle of the boot whatever. But the boots

931
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: are the skis. You have to I mean, every once

932
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: in a while you louck into it and it works out.

933
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: Other times you gotta work. This is not really if

934
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,919
Speaker 1: you've really lived for this, not something you can do occasionally.

935
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: Then my girlfriend turns out her family had a condo

936
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: in the Logit Veil since the seventies. I don't know

937
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: if you know veil, but Logit Veil is the closest

938
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: place to the lift. And I used to pooh, pooh veil.

939
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: Oh it's so flat, et cetera, et cetera. But as

940
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: I get older, so I ski a lot. I mean

941
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: last year I skied eighty nine days. Oh wow. Oh

942
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: usually I ski like two years before, probably sixty or

943
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 1: seventy days before that. For like the last twenty years,

944
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 1: forty to fifty days.

945
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to come back to Philip's. Take a

946
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 2: run with me.

947
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I just remember skiing Philip's. Now, now there's video

948
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: of all this stuff, because Philips, you're skiing straight in,

949
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: you're skiing right toward the rock and then you got

950
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: to make that left.

951
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. I remember the first time I skied it too.

952
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: I was terrified, and of course, you know, skiing the

953
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: hole in the wall back in the backside of Mammoth As. Listen,

954
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: what people don't understand about Mammoth is there's very serious

955
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: skiing at Mammoth. You know, in the seventies they didn't

956
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,919
Speaker 1: have a lift up Lincoln Peak, but now they have that.

957
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: But you know, all the stuff you know, off the

958
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: cornice whatever. I mean, there's just really serious skiing there.

959
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: And you know, it's got a Southern California culture, so

960
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: there's more snow orders in Manmit than anywhere else. So

961
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: I got a lot of skis.

962
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 2: That's awesome. You have any atomics, I don't, Man, we

963
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 2: got to change that.

964
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: I was always into French skis, okay, the old days, Rosie.

965
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: Then I got really into Dina Star. Dina Star turns

966
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: it a certain way that I love. But listen, we're

967
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: all connected. So you call you somebody and you're getting

968
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: them at like maybe twenty five cents of the dollar,

969
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: at most sixty cents of the dollar, and then you

970
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: got a pure of skis Yo, these keys are not

971
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: that great, okay, in that they turn what they don't hold.

972
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 2: And then it's because you haven't been on atomics. We

973
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: got it.

974
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: But then I actually, two years ago I paid retail

975
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: for a couple of seas because they let me demo everything,

976
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: and it was not what I thought. You know, a

977
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: lot of people like those stokely storm writers. They're silky,

978
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: they're shitty and in the bumps. You know, the Nordica's

979
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: the hype of about the Norda because I don't understand whatsoever.

980
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: They're planks.

981
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 2: Okay, they're great. I tend to agree with.

982
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: And the Blizzards are similar. So I got a bunch

983
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: of K two's and still have a couple of des Stars.

984
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: And then Body sent me four pairs of his skis

985
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: Oh Cool, which are very interesting. Skis the eighty eight

986
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: not good, and therefore he told me he designed that

987
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: off of Vlon was the only ski that wasn't an original,

988
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: and he redid it this year. I don't have a

989
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: pair at this point in time. Yeah, and you know,

990
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: if you're in veil, the average with in veil is

991
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: a ninety something. Okay, this is what people don't understand.

992
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: You need certain numbers of skis. You need your ninety

993
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: five to ninety nine, you need your one hundred, one

994
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: hundred and ten, you need your one hundred, one hundred

995
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: and fifty, and you need your one hundred and sixty

996
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty because you got to have the

997
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: right tool. You know. People say, oh, yeah, you know,

998
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: and then they're the instructors. I got no type of

999
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: instructors over they're scheming on their seventy eights. Why why

1000
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: beyond your seventy eighth? So boty skis ski like a

1001
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: French ski, which is you know, the one oh four

1002
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: is a great ski that just stands above the other ones.

1003
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: I have. The ninety eight to one tens are good,

1004
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: but the one oh four because normally a one oh

1005
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: four is too wide for all day every day, but

1006
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: for some reason it's not the other thing about it

1007
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: for skis like that because they're not heavy whatever they hold,

1008
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: which blows my mind. I mean I was out on

1009
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: a pier today.

1010
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, when I switched from K Twoto Atomic, it

1011
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 2: blew my mind because they had been making the best

1012
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 2: skis in the world for the racers for so long

1013
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 2: and they're still hand crafted in Austria.

1014
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: Well, you know, Atomic in the seventies had limited distribution

1015
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: and limited sales in America. They had these orange skis

1016
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,919
Speaker 1: they set atomic in the front in the back. People

1017
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: call me atomic atomics. And then of course in the

1018
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: her era, you know, that became about a top. I

1019
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: mean the thing about atomic race skis. You know this

1020
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: is before your time when they had the dampening systems,

1021
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: the vas on the rosies, that was when the first thing.

1022
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: But you had the atomic duel deck and now they

1023
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: have a double deck. Now they have those little you know,

1024
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:26,919
Speaker 1: like silver things in that and you know it's it's

1025
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: in the old days. In the seventies you went to

1026
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: a shop, they had everything. Now shops only by certain stuff.

1027
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: Now in terms of you know, skiing is a sport

1028
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: where everybody boasts. You know, I go to college at Middlebury.

1029
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, oh, I don't I'm a great skier.

1030
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: You gotta everybody talks. But I have a friend big

1031
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: in the live business who got very into Hella skiing,

1032
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: and he keeps telling me, oh, at the time I

1033
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: had a pair of s seven's, you know, the rosie

1034
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: who won seventeens. And now I have a pair of

1035
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: the K two one sixteens. He says, oh, you're hell

1036
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: is skiing. The standard is the one twenty bench chiller. Yeah,

1037
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: whatever you have, it's nowhere near as good as that.

1038
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah blah. I mean he really

1039
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: put me down one night we were at shit what

1040
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: venue is in that la b l ray. It was

1041
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: really kind of funny.

1042
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 2: They'll have to thank him for me. I'm glad he

1043
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 2: likes to right.

1044
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: You know, as I say, you're not going to have

1045
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: a need for a one twenty most inbounds places. But

1046
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: the days that you have the one fifteen, you know,

1047
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: one sixteen, the days you have them, you want them.

1048
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there is that's similar with the one twenty.

1049
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 2: It is. It's it just gets skied out so fast

1050
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 2: on resorts nowadays, is the issue. But if you go

1051
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 2: over to Europe, they still seem to just be so

1052
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 2: widespread and lifts and resorts connected lifts and resorts and

1053
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 2: valleys and it just stays fresh for a bit longer.

1054
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 2: But I still ski the one twenty pretty often actually

1055
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 2: on Mammoth here. But I also know exactly where I'm

1056
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 2: going and where to find all the fresh pockets.

1057
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: You know. The good thing is, I mean I have

1058
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: the you know, since we're right at the foot of

1059
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: the mountain, you can change them because you don't want

1060
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: to ski, you know, you're un here. One to fifteens

1061
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: are good for a couple of hours and then the

1062
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: rest of the days. I know, I want something different. Okay, okay,

1063
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: let's get back. Hey. Are you a gear freak?

1064
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 2: A gear freak know in the sense that I don't

1065
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 2: research gear and try to find out every little nuance

1066
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 2: about it, but a gear freak in the sense that

1067
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 2: I'm very intuitive and I know what I want it

1068
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 2: to feel like. So my translation to an engineer and

1069
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 2: to the people building the skis is very productive and

1070
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 2: they appreciate it, and they always are surprised. They'll give

1071
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 2: me like a blind test on different flex patterns things,

1072
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 2: and I can sniff it out really easily and like

1073
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 2: tell them down to down to very minute changes what

1074
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 2: I want to see. And so yes in the sense

1075
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 2: of performance. No, in the sense of I just don't

1076
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 2: have enough time in the day to dive deep on

1077
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 2: the internet to find out what does what and why

1078
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 2: it does what it does and all those things.

1079
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: Okay, let's start outside the skis what boots.

1080
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 2: Do you use atomic as well?

1081
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: Okay, which model? I use?

1082
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 2: The Hawks one thirty, the X Extended XTD because it's

1083
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 2: it has a walk mode, ski tour a lot, and

1084
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 2: it has the BOA system on the lower lower half

1085
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 2: as well, which I'm a big fan of in the

1086
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 2: last couple of years.

1087
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: Why are you a big fan of Boa?

1088
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 2: It's just my feet in general get freezing. I have

1089
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 2: I think what's called raynods. It's like a circulation disease,

1090
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 2: and I can never for two decades now, could never

1091
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 2: use my lower buckles because I have a high instep

1092
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 2: as well in my arch, so that top buckle would

1093
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 2: always just cut off circulation to my foot. But now

1094
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 2: with the Boa system, it really pulls everything evenly and

1095
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 2: wraps the shell around your foot versus applying pressure points

1096
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 2: into locations. So it just makes a ton of sense,

1097
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 2: and it's designed well. It's robust. I snowmobile to access

1098
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 2: terrain a lot, and if or if I kick it

1099
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 2: off on a rock hiking or anything, the BOA systems

1100
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 2: made to detach and just pop back in. So I

1101
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 2: personally haven't had any issues with it, which has been great,

1102
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 2: but I am. I am a fan just for maybe

1103
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 2: getting my boots a little more snug, because, as you know,

1104
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 2: any little minute adjustment you make, it starts with your boots.

1105
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 2: That's what's going to roll your ski over on edge.

1106
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 2: So I like a stiffer boot. I have one thirty

1107
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 2: is the stiffest I can get. I might even go

1108
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 2: stiffer if they offered it, but that's a rare occurrence

1109
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 2: unless you're skiing world.

1110
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: Well, I always skied in layings till my feet. I

1111
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: almost had to give up skiing, and I skied in

1112
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: the Nordicas for a while, and then five years ago

1113
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: I went back to the RS one thirty and it

1114
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: has a very progressive flex. Nordica is a little hard

1115
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: on the initiation. Then you go, we're the laying irrelevant

1116
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: of its reputation. I just got a new pair of

1117
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: the new ones because I woke up and I said,

1118
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: the liners I'm gonna get to the middle season want

1119
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 1: new boots, and they're not gonna be No one's going

1120
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 1: to have them.

1121
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and liners are important too. I do a foam.

1122
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 2: I like a foam injected molded liner.

1123
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: Oh well, who does your foaming?

1124
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 2: The factory that I go over to Austria.

1125
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: Okay, wait wait, I'm really interested because there's this uh.

1126
01:06:58,080 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's great talking to someone because most people

1127
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: then you get really deep things. They don't care, they

1128
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: don't know because on Instagram they got this place hun

1129
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: Sport in Austria and they show their foaming whatever. And

1130
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: now the guy works for leg he's in French. Okay,

1131
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: you go to the factory. Hey, what do they do

1132
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: for a footbed?

1133
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 2: I actually use a it's not a custom, it's it's

1134
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 2: there's three different models, but I have a sponsor and

1135
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 2: a collaboration with a footbed that's always worked or not always,

1136
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 2: it's worked well for me. I've been trying it for

1137
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 2: the last little bit and it's called remind in Soul.

1138
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 2: So I use that for my footbed.

1139
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: Well, before you know, if there are three different models,

1140
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: what's the difference.

1141
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 2: Is the medic like the medium model? You just find

1142
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 2: what works best.

1143
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: For well, it's high for that okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1144
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 2: Exactly, and so I slip that in. Then I go

1145
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 2: foam foam injected at the atomic factory.

1146
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, I mean you know I have pham boots

1147
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 1: back at the beginning, like Boa in the begin you

1148
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: can get a bad foam job.

1149
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 2: Oh you can, And so I use who used to

1150
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 2: do Marcel's? I was told that I think Marcel went

1151
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 2: through forty boots one season when he was in his

1152
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 2: prime racing at Atomic. He's no longer there, but I

1153
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 2: can't remember the name. And I'm so sad. He'll be

1154
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 2: sad if he ever hears this. But he's amazing. He's

1155
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 2: been at Atomic forever and he's done a lot of

1156
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 2: foam liners. Let's just put it that way.

1157
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: And how dense is your ful?

1158
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 2: I go as dense as possible. I go with what

1159
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,759
Speaker 2: they're given the World Cup skiers.

1160
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: And then to what degree is there a breaking period?

1161
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 2: That varies, as you know, depending on how long your

1162
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 2: skin and actually ski touring, so walking uphills breaks in

1163
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 2: your boots pretty fast, which I enjoy because you're you're

1164
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 2: constantly flexing back and forth because you put it in

1165
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 2: walk mode. Now your boot's flexing backwards and forwards. So

1166
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 2: they break in much faster than they used to because

1167
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 2: skiing around the mountain, you're just absorbing, You're hitting bumps

1168
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 2: and absorbing, and they're just doing their little minute adjustments.

1169
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 2: But once you start doing big strides and walking yourself

1170
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 2: up five thousand foot peak or whatever, five thousand feet

1171
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 2: vertical of a bigger twelve thousand foot peak. Really but yeah,

1172
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 2: that really happens fast.

1173
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: Oh okay, you know you have the hawks? Do you

1174
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 1: have any red stors for inbounds? Did?

1175
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 2: I went that way? But sadly, I probably skied less

1176
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 2: than you last year, which makes me sad to hear

1177
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 2: myself say that. But I because of this project, because

1178
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 2: of my ambitions, because of my artwork, because of all

1179
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 2: these different things, I don't ski as much as I

1180
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 2: would like to in that and I also have two

1181
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,640
Speaker 2: small kids, so a lot of my skiing on the

1182
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 2: mountain is with them, which is amazing, and it's just different.

1183
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 2: So I try to get used to my boots so

1184
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 2: that way, if I get called tomorrow to go on

1185
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 2: a Helli trip in Canada, I'm skiing the same boots

1186
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 2: that I was skiing on the hill. So I've been

1187
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 2: pretty much the last couple of years just sticking to

1188
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:14,639
Speaker 2: one boot a season.

1189
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: Okay, And every season you get a new pier. Yeah,

1190
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 1: and at this point you only have one pair, you

1191
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:21,719
Speaker 1: have multiple piers.

1192
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 2: I have multiple I luckily have access right, Okay, but

1193
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 2: bindings bindings also atomic, but that's the one technology that

1194
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 2: Atomic actually companies widely share. Solomon had the Solomon Shift, Yes,

1195
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 2: the shift and for touring, and then that they had

1196
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 2: an sth binding which is now called the strive, which

1197
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 2: I ski of fifteen to sixteen din because I don't

1198
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 2: like to come out, so crank them down.

1199
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 1: I've only been hurt when they came out.

1200
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, you want to stay in there. So yeah,

1201
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 2: that's than the most bomber binding. And I've I skied

1202
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 2: it long before I was on Atomic. They just have

1203
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 2: if it's not broke, don't fix it kind of mentality.

1204
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 1: Well, do you on your back country skis you ski

1205
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: on the shift? I do, yeah, And so the shift

1206
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 1: allows you to move the mounting point, move the setter.

1207
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 2: Not necessarily frontward and backwards. It's not on a track system,

1208
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 2: so it's still mounted toe piece, heel piece, but it

1209
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 2: allows you to click the heel down and then put

1210
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 2: it into walk mode. So now your heel releases.

1211
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: Oh I guess that body skis And I mean he

1212
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: was telling me that you could move them back and forth.

1213
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: That's not what I ski on.

1214
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, there there's one that was called the tracker that

1215
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:45,640
Speaker 2: you can move forward and back. I'm pretty sure. But

1216
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 2: the shift, the shift is mounted directly into the ski,

1217
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 2: so and stays stays put.

1218
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So mounting point.

1219
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 2: Mounting point this is this is useful. Actually, I should

1220
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,679
Speaker 2: do this on a ski podcast. I get that question

1221
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 2: more than any other question. I because I create my

1222
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 2: own skis. I now have a model that is an

1223
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 2: eighty five, a ninety at one hundred, a one ten,

1224
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 2: and a one twenty, and so I try to put

1225
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 2: the factory line. There's there's lines that go above the

1226
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 2: factory line and lines that go behind it, and I

1227
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 2: try to put the factory line at where I personally

1228
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:29,759
Speaker 2: love to skim. And the one twenty we just changed

1229
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 2: the mold. We had carbon stringers in the mold for

1230
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,759
Speaker 2: a long time and we just took those out because

1231
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 2: they have a new wood core that they were able

1232
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 2: to accomplish the same flex pattern and actually a little

1233
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 2: stiffer in the tip while again the same I guess

1234
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 2: rebound and everything. The ski performed equally, but it was

1235
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 2: a lesser impact on the environment to just have wood

1236
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 2: in there. And so they built that mold with my

1237
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 2: one ten and my one hundred, so we were able

1238
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 2: to test it on those skis years prior, and now

1239
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 2: they implemented it in the one twenty. But because I

1240
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 2: told you how sensitive I am, the factory line stayed

1241
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 2: where I've always skied it. But now, because the tip

1242
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 2: is just a minute percent stiffer, I now move one

1243
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 2: and a half centimeters behind the factory line. So moving

1244
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 2: forward everything is like years out, sadly, but moving forward

1245
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:28,719
Speaker 2: in I want to say in the twenty six twenty

1246
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,759
Speaker 2: seven ski, the factory line will not be correct again.

1247
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 2: But we've only just figured this out in the more

1248
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,639
Speaker 2: recent years, so it will take time to implement.

1249
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: Okay, nail this down. The ski redone got a stiffer tip. Yeah,

1250
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: you're mounting it minus one point five.

1251
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 2: Correct, And I recommend it for general people to even

1252
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 2: go back minus two because I personally spin and flip

1253
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 2: and like my tails to release turns, and I do

1254
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 2: what's called butters where I jump into like a three

1255
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 2: sixty and push my noses into the snow, and so

1256
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 2: swingweight is important to me, but it swingweight is also

1257
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 2: important for anyone skiing powder in the trees, and how

1258
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 2: the where the tip releases and how the tails release,

1259
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 2: so I do recommend staying close to where I ski,

1260
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 2: but a little more tip for people that never jump

1261
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 2: or go backwards or spin is always is always a

1262
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,639
Speaker 2: good thing because the more tip you have, the more

1263
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 2: float you have. So I personally like them at minus

1264
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 2: one point five, but I think that in between that

1265
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 2: minus two all the way to minus three range is

1266
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,679
Speaker 2: great for the everyday directional skier.

1267
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: Okay, but the line that comes on the ski is incorrect.

1268
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 2: Is incorrect. It's still skis great there, but I'm just

1269
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 2: so sensitive and it is the line that comes on

1270
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:58,719
Speaker 2: the ski is exactly where it's been for the last

1271
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 2: however many years, so atomic had no way of knowing

1272
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 2: until I had enough time on them to be like,

1273
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 2: wait a second, this isn't feeling right. Let's try this.

1274
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 2: So I played around with it for quite a while

1275
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 2: until I landed on exactly where I want to go.

1276
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 2: But luckily, more often than not, people mount wherever they

1277
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 2: feel like they should be mounting their skis, So a

1278
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:26,839
Speaker 2: lot of people go all over the place anyways, and well.

1279
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 1: You know, they used to have that mark or binding.

1280
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: We could the skitzo, we could move faster. But you know,

1281
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 1: there's so much discussion on this in line, but unless

1282
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: you're someone with a lot of skis a lot of stuff,

1283
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 1: people don't have the opportunity to try on all these

1284
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 1: different mounting points totally.

1285
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 2: And what I hope happens someday it would be so

1286
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:51,839
Speaker 2: amazing is that all binding companies get together and decide

1287
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 2: that one universal hole pattern is agreed upon, and then

1288
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:01,480
Speaker 2: skis could come pre drilled with in set inset screws,

1289
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 2: just like snowboards, and all you have to do is

1290
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:07,640
Speaker 2: move your toe piece heel piece. When you travel overseas,

1291
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:09,800
Speaker 2: you could take your binding off and it's easier to

1292
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:13,719
Speaker 2: pack like. There would be so much benefit to everyone

1293
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 2: being in the same hole pattern and not having to

1294
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:19,600
Speaker 2: drill skis because you can. You can. It's contrary to

1295
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 2: what people believe. You can drill skis a lot, especially

1296
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 2: if you're plugging the holes just for water proofing the

1297
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 2: wood core. But you can drill and re drill and

1298
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 2: drill and redrill quite a lot. I've done five six

1299
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 2: different binding mounting points and skis still feel great and

1300
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 2: have the same response and liveliness and stuff. So as

1301
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 2: long as you're plugging plugging holes.

1302
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 1: It's it's fine, let's go back to the beginning. You

1303
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 1: make this deal after seven years, the K two with

1304
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:51,680
Speaker 1: Atomic and what's the first ski.

1305
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 2: The bent Chetler. It was the bent Chetler. It was

1306
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 2: a one to twenty three at that point in time.

1307
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 2: And so I don't know if you would have met

1308
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 2: this gentleman, but he was widely respected and appreciated. His

1309
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 2: name was Rupert and he went by Keighley, and he

1310
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 2: worked for Atomic for sixty years. He just recently passed away.

1311
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 2: But I came on board myself, Darren Rahlves and the

1312
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 2: Eric Gay. He was a ski racer and I want

1313
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 2: to say he had a brother too. It was there

1314
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 2: was a few of us and mostly racers and myself

1315
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 2: and we were testing the very first prototype of my ski,

1316
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 2: this other ski called the Atlas, and kind of figuring

1317
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:43,719
Speaker 2: things out in Alaska and Wolfgang the president of Atomic,

1318
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 2: was there, Keighley was there, a lot of the senior

1319
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 2: leadership was there to try and figure out where we

1320
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 2: were taking the brand. And the skis performed horribly. My

1321
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 2: ski did the very first proto. They were just an

1322
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 2: all gray top sheet, black bass and just the first

1323
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 2: iteration of what I tried to translate to the Austrians,

1324
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 2: and so Keighley and I sat down, marked them all up,

1325
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,799
Speaker 2: decided exactly how we wanted them to look and change,

1326
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 2: and he went back. This was we skied Alaska in April.

1327
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 2: He went back had a new prototype for me to

1328
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 2: test in the middle of summer. So I flew over

1329
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:22,719
Speaker 2: to Austria and skied them on a glacier without any

1330
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 2: powder whatsoever, and they performed. Like I said earlier, I

1331
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 2: can very much feel how they'd perform, and they outperformed

1332
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 2: anything I've ever skied in my life. And so we

1333
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 2: committed to it and released them that January of two

1334
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 2: thousand and eight, I want to say, or really really

1335
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 2: early in two thousand and eight, and they just built

1336
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 2: built steam, I guess you could say it just like

1337
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 2: kind of became a cult following to some degree, and

1338
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 2: then it just kept building and building and building, and

1339
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:01,719
Speaker 2: it won. The skis won some awards over the years,

1340
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 2: and just we kept pushing and progressing the mold and

1341
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 2: trying new shapes. And I took a lot of influence

1342
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 2: from the way Rob Machado shaped surfboards and tried some

1343
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 2: different horizon tech technology where there was multidimensional rocker, and

1344
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 2: just because I don't understand hydrodynamics like a surfer does.

1345
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 2: But Rob is one of the world's best surfers. So

1346
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 2: his glide and how he can where he can gain

1347
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 2: speed on a wave and how he rides on top

1348
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 2: of water translates well to frozen water as well. So

1349
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 2: I talked to him all the time about different concepts

1350
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:37,679
Speaker 2: and things.

1351
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 1: Okay, let's start. The original one was a one twenty three.

1352
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: Why'd you change the standard to a one twenty.

1353
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 2: Because as we were testing rocker profiles, and then once

1354
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 2: we came up with the horizon tech the multidimensional rocker.

1355
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 2: When you have something that's bent on the edges too,

1356
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 2: you have as much or more surface area than if

1357
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 2: it were to flat, so you're actually getting a similar

1358
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 2: amount of floatation, so you can change the shape, and

1359
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:13,640
Speaker 2: though that's not underfoot where your tip is floating in

1360
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 2: the powder and not diving. We were just testing different

1361
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 2: things there. And then for that same swingweight concept, the

1362
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 2: narrower the ski, the less less reaction time it has

1363
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 2: if you are spinning and doing things you want. If

1364
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 2: you go too wide and too fat, it just it

1365
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 2: just doesn't work. I've tried all different kinds of things,

1366
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 2: so there is there is a very fine balance on

1367
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 2: where you want that waste width to be, and I've

1368
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 2: found one twenty to be just a very sweet spot

1369
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:47,719
Speaker 2: for fresh powder.

1370
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 1: Tell me about Horizon Tech.

1371
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 2: Horizon Tech was exactly that, just to gain more surface

1372
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 2: area and more floatation without changing the width of the

1373
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 2: tip and actually slimming down the ski. Like I just said,

1374
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 2: So we wanted to bring things down but not lose

1375
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:10,759
Speaker 2: performance and flotation. So it was just we beveled edges,

1376
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 2: we added like a whole spoon concept, like just plastered

1377
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:17,719
Speaker 2: it on the ski. We tried a bunch of different

1378
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 2: stuff until we landed on the horizon tech. But how

1379
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 2: it cuts through snow and where if you have an

1380
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 2: edge all the way around, even in variable snow, you're

1381
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 2: still going to get hook a tip from time to time,

1382
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 2: And so how that smears through variable snow was also

1383
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 2: another thing I was trying to to accomplish. And and yeah,

1384
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 2: it just had a number of different a different reasons,

1385
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 2: I guess you could say, of why I wanted it

1386
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 2: to be the way I wanted to.

1387
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:51,799
Speaker 1: Okay, you get a pair of skis from the factory.

1388
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:53,679
Speaker 1: You dull the tips and tails.

1389
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 2: I do not.

1390
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 1: I do not either.

1391
01:21:56,240 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 2: I don't believe it factory factory. I don't. I don't

1392
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 2: even wax them. I do after a time, but I don't.

1393
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm on the exact same page. I never had this

1394
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: problem they're talking about. No, Okay, the original skis, what

1395
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,600
Speaker 1: was inside of them? There was.

1396
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:16,679
Speaker 2: Now you're testing me because we've gone poplar, We've gone

1397
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 2: oh wait.

1398
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait wait wait, let's forget that, because

1399
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 1: let's just the president. You have the one twenty. How

1400
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 1: do you decide to expand the brand narrower? Uh?

1401
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 2: Sorry to ask that question again. How do I decide

1402
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 2: to expand the brand narrower? Mean?

1403
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 1: I mean you start with the one twenty. How do

1404
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 1: you decide to have small.

1405
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 2: To get more skis? Oh? Okay, that I mean simple.

1406
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 2: It's because you said it on this call. You need

1407
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 2: a quiver of skis. I don't ski a one twenty

1408
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:49,719
Speaker 2: all the time. Nobody in their right mind with Skia

1409
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 2: one twenty all the time. You it's just like surfing,

1410
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 2: or just like anything. There's skis designed for a type

1411
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 2: of skiing, and you've go out in the rain, rain, sleet,

1412
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 2: or snow, you know, and that is going to be

1413
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 2: what ski you decide. So in the park I like

1414
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 2: a narrower ski in coolar season where I'm skiing these

1415
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 2: long sierra coolars, I like around a one hundred waist

1416
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 2: ski and every day soft snow crud skiing, I really

1417
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 2: like skiing a one ten. I find it has a

1418
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,639
Speaker 2: perfect balance for me to be able to jump off

1419
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 2: cliffs and do the things and still ride through very

1420
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 2: cut up, chopped, skied out powder. And then a one

1421
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 2: to twenty is fantastic for untouched virgin powder.

1422
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 1: You know.

1423
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 2: So it's uh, it just gives you the.

1424
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: Okay, I looked online what you just redid the narrower

1425
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 1: ones last year? Okay? Yeah, So other than waste with

1426
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,600
Speaker 1: what is the difference in these skis.

1427
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 2: That you're also testing me because we're two years ahead,

1428
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 2: So I'm always trying to remember really we're yeah, we're

1429
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 2: years ahead of like where we land for commercial skis.

1430
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 2: But it's mold shapes, its wood blends, its materials. There

1431
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 2: is a big initiative to have more environmentally conscious materials.

1432
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 2: There's we're always trying different resins, different like there's poplar

1433
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 2: and there was Karuba wood for a while, which was

1434
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 2: a blend. And there's there's been so many things that

1435
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 2: I get lost. Like I told you, I know the

1436
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 2: feeling and like.

1437
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I mean that's a couple of things. The

1438
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 1: big breakthrough in the fifties and sixties was the metal

1439
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 1: ski that it was the fiberglass ski. Yeah. Then in

1440
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 1: the late seventies there was the Rosie rock, which brought

1441
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 1: back a metal ski. Okay, forget the foam cor era. Okay. Yeah,

1442
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: So now you have people say, I mean the bizards

1443
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 1: they're made with two layers of titanol. Okay, So do

1444
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 1: you feel that just whatever the right pick of wood

1445
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 1: is and some glass resin is enough. You had carbon

1446
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: in one ski, you took it out.

1447
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:21,919
Speaker 2: We have carbon. We've put aluminum inserts for the binding

1448
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 2: so it doesn't rip out. We have certain things and

1449
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,680
Speaker 2: then the horizon tech is a tech insert so that

1450
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 2: breaks up the wood. But long story short, yes, I

1451
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 2: think everything that you see in skis that moves away

1452
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 2: from wood is a marketing effort to try and make

1453
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 2: the next thing. But we all go back to wood.

1454
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 2: It performs the best. And if you're creating a world

1455
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 2: Cup downhill ski. Yes, you're gonna have a ton of

1456
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 2: metal in there, but for the everyday skier, you do

1457
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 2: not need metal skis. There's no reason to have that

1458
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 2: stiff of a ski opinion. Skiing should be fun and

1459
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 2: not hard work. Like you're trying to do so many

1460
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:11,639
Speaker 2: things with our companies are trying to do so many

1461
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 2: things to make themselves stand out or be different. But

1462
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 2: I think I mean, Atomics turns seventy years old this year.

1463
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:21,799
Speaker 2: They've tried a lot of things, and there's a reason

1464
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 2: where landing back at wood would molds.

1465
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 1: Okay, if you have a non metal ski, what do

1466
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: you do about torsion control and holding on hard snow.

1467
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 2: That goes into the layers the fiberglass layers and how

1468
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 2: many they put in because there is more than just

1469
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 2: wood in the ski, but the edge, what the edge

1470
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 2: is made of. There's the sidewalls make a huge different.

1471
01:26:55,280 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 2: The cap sidewall versus a multi dimensional sidewall that breaks down.

1472
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 2: That is a massive on the torsional side. I mean

1473
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 2: even the horizon tech affects it torsionally. Everything that you

1474
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 2: build into it is going to affect it torsionally. So

1475
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 2: you add layers or remove layers according and the metal,

1476
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 2: in my opinion, is just too aggressive for your everyday skier.

1477
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you have Darren Ralves still and there's I

1478
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 2: guess I could take that back. It depends if you're

1479
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 2: really railing rumors and trying to pretend you're ski racing.

1480
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:41,680
Speaker 2: It's fun, like there is time and a place for that,

1481
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 2: and so I do. I do take back what I said.

1482
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 2: But generally speaking, if you're ski in the mountain after

1483
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 2: some fresh snow and it's chopped up and you're just

1484
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,680
Speaker 2: having a trying to have a good time on a

1485
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 2: pair of skis, You're going to be happiest with a

1486
01:27:57,560 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 2: woodcrese ski.

1487
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:04,759
Speaker 1: Okay, Generally speaking, your skis are a cycle of two years,

1488
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 1: three years, or just when you come up with a

1489
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 1: new thing.

1490
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 2: I try to keep it to when we come up

1491
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:13,919
Speaker 2: with a new thing. I've I certainly we're not exempt

1492
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 2: of marketing efforts by any stretch of the imagination. But

1493
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 2: luckily for me, because I'm an artist and because there's

1494
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 2: such an authentic tie to what we're creating, there is

1495
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:32,639
Speaker 2: a marketing story always present. Because I'm expressing myself both

1496
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 2: artistically and in the shape of the ski. So we

1497
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 2: try really hard. We constantly we want to progress, and

1498
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 2: we want to so sustainability is a huge way to progress.

1499
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 2: There's so many new materials. There's flax instead of fiberglass.

1500
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 2: There's all these different things that are being tested and tried,

1501
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 2: but and tell they're guaranteed to be at the performance

1502
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 2: that atomic is known for. They're not willing to take

1503
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 2: a you see it happen with I think K two

1504
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 2: had to recall a ton of skis. They went with

1505
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:08,679
Speaker 2: some eco friendly resin or something else, and that every

1506
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 2: ski was just splitting and blowing apart. So it needs

1507
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:16,639
Speaker 2: to be deeply tested. And that's why we're two three

1508
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 2: years out on skis and why I don't know what

1509
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 2: I'm skiing half the time because we're like constantly the

1510
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 2: factory is trying to push the boundaries of ski technology

1511
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 2: and think of what is new, and explore materials and

1512
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 2: do all of those things, but ultimately they won't put

1513
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 2: it out to the world until it's tried and tested.

1514
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 1: As a practical matter, how much are you testing skis?

1515
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I don't have Like a for example,

1516
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,639
Speaker 2: talking to Rob, I had this crazy idea to put

1517
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 2: channels in the bottoms of my skis to talking about

1518
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 2: gliding on the surface for a our specific ski and

1519
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:05,759
Speaker 2: having the edges almost wrap. And we tried this concept.

1520
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 2: I had the factory build me something and it almost

1521
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:11,719
Speaker 2: killed me. It was like racetracks, just like staying straight

1522
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 2: in the snow, and they wouldn't turn at all, and

1523
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 2: by like concept totally failed. So if I come up

1524
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 2: with an idea like thinking outside the box, which I

1525
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 2: do quite often, they'll I'll test it if they if

1526
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 2: they have the time, which they generally make the time

1527
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 2: for me because they want to progress. So we'll test

1528
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:32,679
Speaker 2: something and see if it makes a difference, and then

1529
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,800
Speaker 2: if we're onto something, then the rest of the team

1530
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,600
Speaker 2: starts testing it. Like Darren rahlves is one of the

1531
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 2: best ski testers, and he was a World Cup Downhill

1532
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:48,680
Speaker 2: GS superdude skier that now skis Big Mountain primarily and

1533
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 2: his understanding of skis it's deep too. So it's all

1534
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 2: the atomic team, from the free skiers to the racers. Well,

1535
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 2: I mean, Mikayla's stay in on what she knows and

1536
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 2: she's just winning in racing and doing her thing. But

1537
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 2: the skier, the racers that are not on the hunt

1538
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 2: for the globe, if you will, are testing new skis

1539
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 2: a lot.

1540
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:18,640
Speaker 1: So okay, so you have your skis, You're happy with

1541
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 1: your skis. Does the change come from the fact we're saying, hey,

1542
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:23,640
Speaker 1: we have a new material.

1543
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that stems it a lot. They have something for

1544
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 2: me to try. They have something that they've been working

1545
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:38,479
Speaker 2: on or think it will make a big enough impact

1546
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:41,599
Speaker 2: environmentally to try it. So yeah, it does stem from

1547
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 2: that a lot. And then shape and weird ideas come

1548
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 2: from me generally speaking.

1549
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 1: Okay, Atomic has your line which has expanded into all

1550
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 1: those widths, but it also has the Mavericks. I mean,

1551
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 1: what's up with that? That is.

1552
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:03,719
Speaker 2: I going back to what we I mean, they are different.

1553
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 2: There's stiffer, there's they're a bit more chargey than my ski.

1554
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 2: But it's it's there's no getting around it. It's marketing

1555
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 2: as well. It's like, we have something that's working extremely

1556
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 2: well with my ski, but my ski is not made

1557
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 2: for everyone. So streamline it a little bit, make it

1558
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 2: a bit stiffer, make it less tail rocker, take the

1559
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:29,639
Speaker 2: twin tip out of it. Do all of these things

1560
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 2: and use the same construction and the waste widths and

1561
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 2: the tip withs and the side walls and all of that,

1562
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 2: because we know that performs well on my ski, and

1563
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 2: now let's try that in a different mold, in a

1564
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 2: different shape. And so the Maverick and the Backland and

1565
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 2: my ski all have similarities for sure, but they are

1566
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:54,639
Speaker 2: different enough. That goes back to what you're saying of

1567
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 2: that quiver, because you personally might not I mean, I

1568
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:01,640
Speaker 2: would love for you to try my skis because I

1569
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:04,680
Speaker 2: think you would be pleasantly surprised, But you personally might

1570
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 2: not need tail rocker, or you might not care for

1571
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 2: the same swing weight that I care for, which is

1572
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:15,040
Speaker 2: totally fine. I ski differently than you ski, and that's

1573
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:18,559
Speaker 2: why there should be a wide array of skis is

1574
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:21,799
Speaker 2: because people do ski differently. We're all at different levels,

1575
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 2: we're all at different abilities and all that kind of stuff.

1576
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 2: So I do think there's kind of a ski atomic

1577
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 2: wants to make a ski for everyone essentially.

1578
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:34,479
Speaker 1: Okay, but we could say, generally speaking, you like a

1579
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:35,360
Speaker 1: softer ski.

1580
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:40,679
Speaker 2: That's that's a loose term, yes, And no, I don't

1581
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 2: like too soft of a ski. And and but I mean,

1582
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:47,479
Speaker 2: if you are so, let me take it back. If

1583
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:49,640
Speaker 2: you're comparing me to other ski brands. Yes, I like

1584
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 2: a softer ski.

1585
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the original DTA Star Pro rock

1586
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah Provider was just, you know, really stiff.

1587
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:58,640
Speaker 2: Stiff and straight. And when I came to Atomic, the

1588
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 2: turn radius was forty this it was so it was

1589
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 2: like writing a piece of just like dense board, and

1590
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:08,840
Speaker 2: my turn radius is nineteen meter now it has rocker

1591
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:12,400
Speaker 2: and all these things. So yes, I if you're comparing

1592
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 2: me within within some like line skis, there's some that

1593
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:20,559
Speaker 2: are extremely soft that are too soft for me. But

1594
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 2: in the grand scheme of things, I do like a

1595
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:23,880
Speaker 2: softer ski.

1596
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 1: How many pairs of these skis do you sell?

1597
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 2: I'm not really supposed to know those numbers, but what

1598
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 2: I do know is that it's the number the bent

1599
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 2: line and is the number one ski sold globally. My

1600
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:48,720
Speaker 2: skis and particularly I think the hundred waste width, so

1601
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 2: I think I'm allowed to say that. But it does,

1602
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 2: it does very well.

1603
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:57,880
Speaker 1: Okay, people know to what degree are you marketing the

1604
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 1: ski to both reach new markets and reach people that

1605
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 1: might be skiing on something.

1606
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 2: Different that falls a lot on Atomic And they would

1607
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 2: have those answers much better than me. I'm my job

1608
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 2: is tasked with. They give me a creative director role,

1609
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:22,160
Speaker 2: but there very much is a creative director at Atomic

1610
01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 2: that sits in an office and deals with all the

1611
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 2: video creative in the photos. And I don't have to

1612
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 2: sit in an office or be in a meeting weekly.

1613
01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 2: But my art direction of where I take my skis

1614
01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:38,680
Speaker 2: influences the creative for the brand because the skis are successful.

1615
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:41,120
Speaker 2: So the art that I put on my skis is

1616
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:44,640
Speaker 2: then going to translate to T shirts and hats and

1617
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 2: ski poles and bindings and all of these different things

1618
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 2: and colors will then tie back to my skis, and

1619
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:54,600
Speaker 2: then they'll build their creative direction for the Mavericks and

1620
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 2: the Backlands and the race skis, and everything will start

1621
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:03,520
Speaker 2: to stem off of some of those ideas that I'm presenting.

1622
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:06,600
Speaker 2: And then of course they have their own ideas and

1623
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:10,800
Speaker 2: their own concepts and things and race too, But it

1624
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 2: starts with that. And then I am pretty detached from

1625
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 2: the daily marketing efforts. That's like the ad buys and

1626
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:24,640
Speaker 2: the social and the website. All of that I have

1627
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 2: no idea. I just I create.

1628
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 1: Okay, let's say you broke all your relationships with all

1629
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 1: your sponsors on Atomic. Can you live on the money

1630
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 1: you make from Atomic? I could yes, Okay, yeah, switch

1631
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 1: gears completely. What about avalanches?

1632
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 2: Oh boy, they're very real and they're very scary and

1633
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 2: it's important to respect them as much as you can.

1634
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 2: And Arctics makes one of the best avalanche airbags in

1635
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:03,679
Speaker 2: the industry at the world, I guess you could say,

1636
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 2: And that is hugely beneficial in something new in the

1637
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:14,320
Speaker 2: recent years of technology. They've designed an extremely lightweight, battery

1638
01:37:14,360 --> 01:37:16,839
Speaker 2: powered air bag, so if you get in an avalanche,

1639
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:20,479
Speaker 2: you can pull it. And it's the Brazilian nut theory.

1640
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:23,559
Speaker 2: Anything bigger is going to shake, shake to the surface,

1641
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:27,679
Speaker 2: so it's just making your mass much bigger. And so

1642
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:32,040
Speaker 2: that saved a lot of lives. Avalanche beacons save a

1643
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:33,600
Speaker 2: lot of lives. But you need to know how to

1644
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:37,479
Speaker 2: use them and practice and take avalanche courses and learn

1645
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:39,800
Speaker 2: how to use your probe and learn how to dig

1646
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 2: someone out because when it shit hits the fan, you

1647
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:46,639
Speaker 2: need to stay calm. You need to check everyone's beacon.

1648
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:49,360
Speaker 2: There's protocol that you really need to follow. So if

1649
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:52,840
Speaker 2: you just buy a beacon and the avvy stuff and

1650
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:55,400
Speaker 2: never practice with it and don't know how to use it.

1651
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 2: It's not necessarily going to save your life. So that's uh,

1652
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 2: that's the first step. And then reading avalanche terrain is

1653
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 2: an art in itself, and you learn that in AVIY courses.

1654
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 2: You learn that from being in the mountains. You learn

1655
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:13,240
Speaker 2: that from watching whind loading off the peaks and snow

1656
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:18,840
Speaker 2: falling and just understanding layers and depths and snow packs.

1657
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:22,200
Speaker 2: There's a maritime snowpack, which is more moisture in a

1658
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:24,599
Speaker 2: coastal snowpack, which is what we have in Mammoth because

1659
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:27,160
Speaker 2: we're the first big mountain range off the coast. And

1660
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:31,240
Speaker 2: then there's inner Mountain which is more like the Utah snowpack,

1661
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 2: which tends to avalanche a bit more but have a

1662
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:36,880
Speaker 2: little more moisture. Then there's the Colorado which is a

1663
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 2: continental snowpack, which is the beautiful ice crystals that you

1664
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 2: see when you walk outside and it hasn't snowed for weeks,

1665
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:47,320
Speaker 2: but it still looks all crystally. And then when snow

1666
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:50,680
Speaker 2: falls on those crystals, it never gets warm enough or

1667
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 2: heated by the sun, and there's not enough moisture in

1668
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:56,400
Speaker 2: the snow to crush those crystals. So crystals on crystals

1669
01:38:56,479 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 2: is a very unstable slope, whereas when in California in

1670
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:04,000
Speaker 2: the sun and coastal snow packs, it snows so much

1671
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:07,280
Speaker 2: feed upon feet it crushes those bad layers and can

1672
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 2: strengthen it over time. Essentially, so the deeper, the deeper

1673
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 2: east you go, than the more dangerous it gets.

1674
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:19,920
Speaker 1: Basically, though, have you had close calls?

1675
01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:27,920
Speaker 2: I yes, I have. I've triggered quite a few. I've

1676
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:33,320
Speaker 2: not necessarily been buried. Was I skid a pillow line,

1677
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:36,920
Speaker 2: which is pillows of snow stacked on top of each other,

1678
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:39,559
Speaker 2: and it was late in March, so it was heating up.

1679
01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:42,760
Speaker 2: I was in Canada, and it collapsed. The whole thing

1680
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:45,280
Speaker 2: collapsed and kind of steam rolled me and trapped me

1681
01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:48,559
Speaker 2: under the snow quickly, and my friend got to me,

1682
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 2: but I wasn't like I could still breathe, and I

1683
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 2: was on the surface. And so that that is the

1684
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 2: closest I've been to being stuck in the snow. But then, yes,

1685
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:04,280
Speaker 2: I've I've had I've had friends get buried, I've had

1686
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:08,040
Speaker 2: friends die, I've had lots of I've been around a

1687
01:40:08,040 --> 01:40:11,519
Speaker 2: lot of avalanches. And my wife, my wife is a

1688
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:14,759
Speaker 2: personal border She's triggered some too, and all the things.

1689
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 1: So to what degree does pure pressure involve in the

1690
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:19,720
Speaker 1: decision to go or not go?

1691
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:29,120
Speaker 2: Peer pressure not so much. It's it's ego, I would say,

1692
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:33,960
Speaker 2: of like thinking that you know you could, you're safe

1693
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:34,880
Speaker 2: because of X.

1694
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 1: Y and Z.

1695
01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:38,759
Speaker 2: You talk yourself into stupid decisions and I am guilty

1696
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 2: of it too, So peer pressure no. But it's beautiful.

1697
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:46,280
Speaker 2: It just snowed. There's two feet of snow. Oh, we'll

1698
01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:49,040
Speaker 2: go over here in the trees because trees are anchors

1699
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:51,720
Speaker 2: and this will do this, and you just you talk

1700
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:55,720
Speaker 2: yourself into situations that you probably shouldn't at times. But

1701
01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 2: I try really hard to remove the ego when I can.

1702
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:02,559
Speaker 1: What a greedy consider herself a good reader of the snow.

1703
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:09,280
Speaker 2: Same as the research. I think I could take more

1704
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:12,599
Speaker 2: ABVY courses. There's AVI two's, there's AV threes to understand

1705
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:16,320
Speaker 2: the science of the snow and everything on a granular level,

1706
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:19,240
Speaker 2: but I do. I do not go that deep. I

1707
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:26,040
Speaker 2: understand intuition and reading the mountains and convex rolls and

1708
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:30,880
Speaker 2: windloading and snowpack and that like the true markers of

1709
01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:34,600
Speaker 2: what's going to trigger and then understanding every little like

1710
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:38,040
Speaker 2: putting snow under a microscope. I've I've not gone that far,

1711
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:39,200
Speaker 2: but people certainly do.

1712
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:50,040
Speaker 1: So tell me about the film you made with your wife.

1713
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:58,280
Speaker 2: Oh boy, well, we okay, this is gonna be a

1714
01:41:58,280 --> 01:42:05,360
Speaker 2: long story. She is pro snowboarder. She is an only child.

1715
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:08,719
Speaker 2: Her father passed away when she was fourteen from cancer,

1716
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:11,800
Speaker 2: which was our bond very early on. Was raised by

1717
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 2: a single mother. Her mother then got cancer right at

1718
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:20,600
Speaker 2: the height of her career, and that was in twenty sixteen.

1719
01:42:20,760 --> 01:42:22,479
Speaker 2: I want to say, I was in the middle of

1720
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:28,799
Speaker 2: making a pretty large project and went through the journey

1721
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 2: of losing her mother, and then she we had the

1722
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:38,679
Speaker 2: very real conversation the only grandparent left was my mother,

1723
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:42,599
Speaker 2: and so we started trying to have children. Four months later,

1724
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:45,679
Speaker 2: after her mom passed, we got pregnant with our first child.

1725
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:50,160
Speaker 2: She was approaching forty. I mean, she just turned forty,

1726
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:52,959
Speaker 2: so at that point in time, what was it. Anyways,

1727
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:57,680
Speaker 2: she was mid thirties and she wanted to stay a

1728
01:42:57,680 --> 01:43:01,519
Speaker 2: pro snowboarder. Most women at that age, once they become pregnant,

1729
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:06,439
Speaker 2: walked away from snowboarding. There wasn't really maternity clauses and

1730
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:09,599
Speaker 2: contracts and all of those things, so she approached Donna

1731
01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:17,160
Speaker 2: Carpenter at Burton and basically proposed supporting her as a

1732
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:21,479
Speaker 2: as a mother, and so they they chartered New Territory

1733
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 2: together added verbage in her contract that was widely used

1734
01:43:26,439 --> 01:43:29,400
Speaker 2: at that time. Nike had come out with a campaign

1735
01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:33,639
Speaker 2: to Dream Big, and a couple of their runners, Alicia Montano,

1736
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:38,719
Speaker 2: went against Nike with a dream Maternity campaign because Nike

1737
01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:40,960
Speaker 2: was cutting their runners when they would get pregnant and

1738
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:45,280
Speaker 2: treating it like an injury clause. And so Donna men

1739
01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:49,000
Speaker 2: Burton went against Nike. They got Kimmy, my wife, Kimmy

1740
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:52,519
Speaker 2: and Donna got an article and I think New York

1741
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:57,400
Speaker 2: Times are in some other media making her verbiage in

1742
01:43:57,520 --> 01:44:02,640
Speaker 2: her contract available for any female athlete which supported through maternity.

1743
01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:05,160
Speaker 2: So that was a big deal. It was awesome. We

1744
01:44:05,240 --> 01:44:08,960
Speaker 2: had our child. Once we had our child, we were

1745
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:12,120
Speaker 2: and so talking this. We were going to document this

1746
01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:14,920
Speaker 2: year of being pregnant and then having the baby and

1747
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:18,360
Speaker 2: make a little pretty surface level film. And so my

1748
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:23,240
Speaker 2: good friend Tyler Hamlet, who's made my dead films to

1749
01:44:23,400 --> 01:44:25,559
Speaker 2: him and I have worked together for twenty years, and

1750
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:37,040
Speaker 2: he and I started just filming together and we got pregnant,

1751
01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:41,680
Speaker 2: had had CoA, our firstborn, and then she didn't know

1752
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:45,360
Speaker 2: it at the time, but it triggered some past trauma,

1753
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:49,200
Speaker 2: kind of had I guess postpartum depression a bit. And

1754
01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:52,599
Speaker 2: all of this was being unveiled on camera. And then

1755
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:55,640
Speaker 2: fast forward, I make the movie with the Dead. We

1756
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:58,800
Speaker 2: talked about fire on the Mountain. I'm very busy as

1757
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:02,439
Speaker 2: a husband and a father and we're just navigating having

1758
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:05,200
Speaker 2: a lot of conflict at times. All of this is

1759
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:09,280
Speaker 2: being captured on film, and then our son gets deathly ill.

1760
01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:12,040
Speaker 2: His kidneys fail. He had to be life lighted put

1761
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:17,320
Speaker 2: in a hospital. And that was right before COVID. That

1762
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:21,400
Speaker 2: was its own journey brought us back together. And during COVID,

1763
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:26,479
Speaker 2: we yeah, like everyone just spent a lot of time together.

1764
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:29,080
Speaker 2: It was amazing. We rekindled with her and I have

1765
01:45:29,160 --> 01:45:31,760
Speaker 2: been together since we were children. We've been together since

1766
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:34,640
Speaker 2: I met her when I was sixteen turning seventeen, so

1767
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:39,519
Speaker 2: a long time. And we had our second child. Then

1768
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:43,559
Speaker 2: as she's breastfeeding our second child, she finds a lump

1769
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:47,920
Speaker 2: and has a very severe stage three breast cancer. And

1770
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:50,360
Speaker 2: so we go on the whole cancer journey and she's

1771
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:56,040
Speaker 2: fighting for her life and we just keep documenting this

1772
01:45:56,120 --> 01:46:01,040
Speaker 2: whole thing, and so long story long, it's a very exposing, raw,

1773
01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 2: beautiful film of her life story, and it has a

1774
01:46:04,479 --> 01:46:07,519
Speaker 2: ton of depth and layers, and it's not something we

1775
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:10,600
Speaker 2: ever intended set out to make. It's very strange that

1776
01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:14,080
Speaker 2: we have as much documented as we do. But because

1777
01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:17,960
Speaker 2: of the circumstances of her mom and then pregnancy and

1778
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:20,080
Speaker 2: what we were aiming for at the beginning, we just

1779
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:25,120
Speaker 2: saw the saw the reason to keep filming because these

1780
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:28,439
Speaker 2: things just kept happening and coming up. And so it's

1781
01:46:28,479 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 2: called Butterfly and a Blizzard. It's the world premiere will

1782
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:36,200
Speaker 2: be at the Big Sky Film Festival in February, and

1783
01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:39,559
Speaker 2: then it'll be on streaming platforms early March, I believe.

1784
01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:45,000
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's just it's it's it's sit on the

1785
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:48,760
Speaker 2: couch and watch. It's like a It's a very emotional

1786
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:54,040
Speaker 2: and and exposing, raw documentary of seven years or even

1787
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:58,240
Speaker 2: more of our relationship in life. So it's pretty it's

1788
01:46:58,280 --> 01:47:00,640
Speaker 2: pretty wild. Did you did you end up watching the

1789
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:01,680
Speaker 2: cut that I sent you.

1790
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:04,200
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I've been crazy. I haven't watched the

1791
01:47:04,240 --> 01:47:04,880
Speaker 1: complete cut.

1792
01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:09,200
Speaker 2: Okay, well, it's a. It's a heavy one, but I

1793
01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:10,960
Speaker 2: know there's a lot. There's a lot to it.

1794
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:16,280
Speaker 1: Personally, I prefer heavy. I like the real issues. Let

1795
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:19,280
Speaker 1: me ask, Yeah, So, what were all the projects you're

1796
01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:20,280
Speaker 1: working on presently?

1797
01:47:21,200 --> 01:47:25,400
Speaker 2: So I which just came out today, Actually The Dead

1798
01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:31,000
Speaker 2: the Dead just announced their sixtieth anniversary logo. I was

1799
01:47:31,160 --> 01:47:35,639
Speaker 2: tasked with creating the sixtieth logo, which was a complete

1800
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:38,879
Speaker 2: honor and very humbling and so on. All the licensed

1801
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:42,880
Speaker 2: products will be the art that I came up with

1802
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:46,680
Speaker 2: for that, so that's amazing. And then in conjunction with that,

1803
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:50,080
Speaker 2: I mentioned the sphere with Mickey, but we were working

1804
01:47:50,120 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 2: on another film which is this big abstract art piece.

1805
01:47:54,280 --> 01:47:59,040
Speaker 2: And the film itself will come out in September of

1806
01:47:59,080 --> 01:48:02,800
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, so we're halfway through a little more

1807
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:04,800
Speaker 2: than halfway through of filming. And it's going to have

1808
01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:10,040
Speaker 2: skiing and snowboarding, a surfing and mountain biking, rock climbing,

1809
01:48:10,520 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 2: free diving like ocean free diving. It'll have plant life, mycology,

1810
01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:21,960
Speaker 2: it will have animal life, it will be very inspired

1811
01:48:22,040 --> 01:48:26,920
Speaker 2: by the natural world and dive deep into red light.

1812
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:29,840
Speaker 2: It'll dive deep into my cilium. It'll dive deep into

1813
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:34,720
Speaker 2: all of these things visually and conceptually, less beating you

1814
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:38,040
Speaker 2: over the head with like a storyline per se, and

1815
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:40,400
Speaker 2: the film is the centerpiece. And then off of that

1816
01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:45,200
Speaker 2: film has Tentacles upon Tentacles. On February fourth, we'll be

1817
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:48,559
Speaker 2: releasing I'm starting a YouTube channel, which is hilarious that

1818
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:51,200
Speaker 2: it's taken me this long to start one, but with

1819
01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:55,280
Speaker 2: all the videos I've done for twenty years. But I'm

1820
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:58,920
Speaker 2: going to put a YouTube channel and release weekly episodes

1821
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:03,080
Speaker 2: starting February fourth that are a bit of a behind

1822
01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:05,760
Speaker 2: the scenes look at the a creation of this whole

1823
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:10,960
Speaker 2: art project and introducing certain characters and people like Jay

1824
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:14,519
Speaker 2: Blakesburg came on one of the photoshoots. Mickey will be

1825
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:16,040
Speaker 2: a part of it. There will be all of these

1826
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:19,759
Speaker 2: different moments in time that have been very fun to capture,

1827
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:24,320
Speaker 2: and then we'll release the film in September. Then there

1828
01:49:24,320 --> 01:49:27,000
Speaker 2: will be during that time, there will be an experiential

1829
01:49:27,880 --> 01:49:32,320
Speaker 2: art exhibit that I'm hoping to accomplish, and that will

1830
01:49:32,479 --> 01:49:36,640
Speaker 2: be in Los Angeles, and I'm looking at big, you know,

1831
01:49:36,760 --> 01:49:40,720
Speaker 2: ten thousand square foot warehouse type buildings to build out

1832
01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:46,000
Speaker 2: a full art exhibition. Essentially, the first room will have

1833
01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:49,720
Speaker 2: a very museum behind the scenes feel of things we've invented,

1834
01:49:49,800 --> 01:49:52,840
Speaker 2: like the lighting suits with arctics and the skis. I

1835
01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:57,000
Speaker 2: tried some UV reactive powder and surfboards. We did LEDs

1836
01:49:57,040 --> 01:49:59,880
Speaker 2: and so that'll give you a feel. Second room will

1837
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:02,680
Speaker 2: have more art and then it'll just dive deeper and

1838
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:07,439
Speaker 2: deeper and be a bit more immersive, and that will

1839
01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:11,800
Speaker 2: that will hopefully come to fruition end of September, and

1840
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:16,080
Speaker 2: then following that will do a bigger doc series, or

1841
01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:18,360
Speaker 2: at least that's our plan as of now, is kind

1842
01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:21,400
Speaker 2: of a four to six part dock series that dives

1843
01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:23,559
Speaker 2: deeper into some of the stories we're telling because we

1844
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:27,800
Speaker 2: have a I'm producing directing it, but I have a

1845
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:32,160
Speaker 2: DP on the on the art vision side, and then

1846
01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:35,479
Speaker 2: I have a DP on a a DP and a

1847
01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:37,679
Speaker 2: co director on the main movie side, and a DP

1848
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:40,439
Speaker 2: and a co director on the documentary side, so we

1849
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:43,960
Speaker 2: can capture as much as possible. Because that was one

1850
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:46,439
Speaker 2: thing I mentioned. We went back to Bill Walton to

1851
01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:49,160
Speaker 2: film some of the making of We weren't doing it

1852
01:50:49,240 --> 01:50:51,280
Speaker 2: in real time because I didn't know at that point

1853
01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:55,400
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen what I was creating, whereas now I

1854
01:50:55,439 --> 01:50:57,880
Speaker 2: have a bit more of a roadmap of how I

1855
01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:00,760
Speaker 2: want to see this all come together. And then if

1856
01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:05,400
Speaker 2: that exhibition works, I would like to see it go global.

1857
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:10,120
Speaker 2: I maybe because Atomic and Atomic and Arctics have such

1858
01:51:10,120 --> 01:51:13,280
Speaker 2: a big presence globally, I have some ideas with them,

1859
01:51:13,640 --> 01:51:18,519
Speaker 2: particularly Arctics. There's really cool opportunities. They have so many

1860
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:21,640
Speaker 2: retail spaces in some of these big buildings on a

1861
01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:24,880
Speaker 2: global scale. So I want to do some art installations

1862
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:28,880
Speaker 2: and build outs and experiential stuff. And then my two

1863
01:51:29,080 --> 01:51:31,840
Speaker 2: true dream, which maybe this where we'll ski together, is

1864
01:51:31,880 --> 01:51:35,920
Speaker 2: to collaborate with Altara and Mammoth and bring my lighting

1865
01:51:35,960 --> 01:51:39,240
Speaker 2: team in because this whole film is based at night,

1866
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:45,320
Speaker 2: and bring my lighting team in, build a very large

1867
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:47,640
Speaker 2: movie set if you will, off the lighting on the

1868
01:51:47,680 --> 01:51:51,200
Speaker 2: mountain and have everyday consumers be able to come and

1869
01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:55,320
Speaker 2: ski under the lights. And then have a band play,

1870
01:51:55,600 --> 01:51:58,559
Speaker 2: ideally a Dead cover band or most ideally if Bernie's

1871
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:00,640
Speaker 2: listening to this, I'll come to him to try and

1872
01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:03,559
Speaker 2: hire Dead and Code to come play. It would be

1873
01:52:04,160 --> 01:52:11,479
Speaker 2: It would be the ultimate dream, obviously. And then I yeah,

1874
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:13,759
Speaker 2: I would like to have live music, have the film

1875
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:18,400
Speaker 2: play have have people skiing under the lights and and

1876
01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:22,200
Speaker 2: create this Dead on the Mountain concept that I'm going

1877
01:52:22,240 --> 01:52:25,920
Speaker 2: to be running running by our old pal Bernie and

1878
01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:29,120
Speaker 2: marking them to see if they're into it. But there's

1879
01:52:29,240 --> 01:52:31,679
Speaker 2: there's layers upon layers. I guess that's what I'm trying

1880
01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:32,040
Speaker 2: to say.

1881
01:52:32,200 --> 01:52:35,080
Speaker 1: Ok Okay, you know there's so many live shows that

1882
01:52:35,120 --> 01:52:38,240
Speaker 1: have been released. But in terms of the commercial albums,

1883
01:52:38,479 --> 01:52:42,760
Speaker 1: what are your two favorite Dead albums albums?

1884
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:50,320
Speaker 2: That's a I am. I can't say I have a favorite.

1885
01:52:50,360 --> 01:52:53,439
Speaker 2: I don't even have a favorite song. I'm like, I

1886
01:52:53,479 --> 01:52:56,200
Speaker 2: think that's the beautiful thing about the Dead. I'm discovering

1887
01:52:56,240 --> 01:53:00,479
Speaker 2: a new version all the time of some live song

1888
01:53:00,680 --> 01:53:06,559
Speaker 2: from here, but yeah, I mean Cornell's and I can't. Okay,

1889
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:11,240
Speaker 2: there's there's some incredible ones. But luckily David Lemieux is

1890
01:53:11,240 --> 01:53:13,639
Speaker 2: helping me pick the music for these things, so he's

1891
01:53:13,680 --> 01:53:16,040
Speaker 2: sending me tracks that I've never even heard where I'm like,

1892
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:19,160
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, this is incredible. So it's it's an

1893
01:53:19,360 --> 01:53:20,639
Speaker 2: endless vault, if you.

1894
01:53:20,600 --> 01:53:24,040
Speaker 1: Will, Okay, tell me about your involvement with the Eagles

1895
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:24,639
Speaker 1: in the sphere.

1896
01:53:25,720 --> 01:53:30,040
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I hope there's involvement and maybe we could

1897
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:32,719
Speaker 2: do this off the record until we know for sure,

1898
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:36,040
Speaker 2: but it came my way. We're still working it out.

1899
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:38,679
Speaker 2: I very well might have. I had some texts before

1900
01:53:38,720 --> 01:53:41,800
Speaker 2: our before our call, and I'll have some after. But

1901
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:50,440
Speaker 2: there's there's hope for them to update their their current residency,

1902
01:53:50,840 --> 01:53:54,760
Speaker 2: and particularly I've been tapped on the shoulder to help

1903
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:59,439
Speaker 2: with Rocky Mountain Way and potentially some creative ideas that

1904
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:04,120
Speaker 2: I sent them for decks to review, and from my understanding,

1905
01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:09,320
Speaker 2: Irving and Joe and Don like them. So if all

1906
01:54:09,479 --> 01:54:12,280
Speaker 2: goes well, it's going to happen. But at this point

1907
01:54:12,360 --> 01:54:17,040
Speaker 2: nothing is official, so I'm staying hopeful. But it is

1908
01:54:17,120 --> 01:54:20,639
Speaker 2: like very much happening in real time as we speak.

1909
01:54:20,760 --> 01:54:25,760
Speaker 1: So, Okay, it's a very interesting time in skiing. You know,

1910
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:28,960
Speaker 1: skiing is a mature sport. It's not like they're building

1911
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:31,720
Speaker 1: new ski areas in America, et cetera, et cetera. There's

1912
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:36,120
Speaker 1: been consolidation and manufacturers. I grew up during the ski boom.

1913
01:54:36,600 --> 01:54:40,040
Speaker 1: Everybody talked about skiing, people went seeing. Skiing has never

1914
01:54:40,120 --> 01:54:43,520
Speaker 1: been inexpensive, but it was not seen as an upper

1915
01:54:43,560 --> 01:54:49,200
Speaker 1: class sport. Okay, well, this is like ticket fees. People

1916
01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:52,960
Speaker 1: are bitching about the price of skiing. Yes, the walk

1917
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:56,640
Speaker 1: up price at a Veil Resource Mega Play is going

1918
01:54:56,720 --> 01:54:59,720
Speaker 1: to be two hundred and ninety seven dollars at Christmas. Yeah,

1919
01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:02,280
Speaker 1: you can and advertise that all day long. But for

1920
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:06,160
Speaker 1: someone who's a dedicated skier, skiing has never been cheaper

1921
01:55:06,600 --> 01:55:11,320
Speaker 1: because of the Icon Pass and the Epic Pass. How

1922
01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:13,640
Speaker 1: can we grow the number of skiers?

1923
01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:19,560
Speaker 2: That's a great question. I agree with you. There's there's

1924
01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:25,080
Speaker 2: a devil in the details, if you will, or there's

1925
01:55:25,120 --> 01:55:28,400
Speaker 2: there's evil, but there's also beauty in it all. Tara

1926
01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:33,160
Speaker 2: and Icon specifically is a lot of the leadership at

1927
01:55:33,200 --> 01:55:37,320
Speaker 2: all Tara has come from Mammoth and they are care

1928
01:55:37,640 --> 01:55:40,320
Speaker 2: they care about the community, they care about skiing, and

1929
01:55:40,360 --> 01:55:44,120
Speaker 2: they want to introduce skiers. And so from a if

1930
01:55:44,160 --> 01:55:47,200
Speaker 2: I put my business hat on, the Icon Pass makes

1931
01:55:47,240 --> 01:55:49,920
Speaker 2: so much sense because you're getting your capital up front

1932
01:55:49,960 --> 01:55:54,280
Speaker 2: and you're guaranteeing that you can update your chairlifts and

1933
01:55:54,320 --> 01:55:56,920
Speaker 2: build new lodges and do all of the amenities and

1934
01:55:56,960 --> 01:55:58,960
Speaker 2: all the things that they need to do to keep

1935
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:02,960
Speaker 2: these things operation. Whereas if you rely on ticket sales

1936
01:56:03,440 --> 01:56:05,560
Speaker 2: and it's a bad season, or it's a this, or

1937
01:56:05,560 --> 01:56:08,240
Speaker 2: it's a that. Like I completely understand it, and it's

1938
01:56:08,440 --> 01:56:14,720
Speaker 2: just a matter of more skiers is fantastic and what

1939
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:19,120
Speaker 2: we want to share, you and me being extremely passionate skiers.

1940
01:56:19,160 --> 01:56:21,920
Speaker 2: That's the whole reason I've built my life around around

1941
01:56:21,960 --> 01:56:26,520
Speaker 2: the mountains. It's just it's really hard to know, like

1942
01:56:26,720 --> 01:56:32,000
Speaker 2: once the lift lines get so long, how how many

1943
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:35,360
Speaker 2: more skiers do we really want out there? But I

1944
01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:38,760
Speaker 2: think there's technology that exists, like Mammoth, for instance, replace

1945
01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:42,120
Speaker 2: their two main lifts with six seaters that are faster

1946
01:56:42,280 --> 01:56:44,680
Speaker 2: than the old four quads, So it's going to get

1947
01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:48,200
Speaker 2: people up and dispersed much quicker, which is fantastic. And

1948
01:56:48,240 --> 01:56:53,880
Speaker 2: then also everything we're doing and at arctics and atomics

1949
01:56:53,880 --> 01:56:57,680
Speaker 2: in the back country like the Eastern Sierra is endless.

1950
01:56:57,960 --> 01:57:00,400
Speaker 2: You could ski a new mountain. I could ski a

1951
01:57:00,400 --> 01:57:02,640
Speaker 2: new mountain every day for the rest of my life,

1952
01:57:02,840 --> 01:57:05,160
Speaker 2: or a new run on a new mountain if I'm

1953
01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:07,320
Speaker 2: if you're willing to put in the time and the effort.

1954
01:57:07,520 --> 01:57:12,880
Speaker 2: So backcountry skiing is how I personally. If people go

1955
01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:15,880
Speaker 2: to the resort to get their runs in and be

1956
01:57:16,160 --> 01:57:19,760
Speaker 2: less frantic of the powder and take your avalanche courses

1957
01:57:19,800 --> 01:57:22,680
Speaker 2: and learn how to use your avy gear and go

1958
01:57:22,760 --> 01:57:25,920
Speaker 2: for a walk in the mountains and see how beautiful

1959
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:28,720
Speaker 2: nature is. Because like, that's all we really want to

1960
01:57:28,760 --> 01:57:32,160
Speaker 2: do is get people outside. I would way rather have

1961
01:57:32,440 --> 01:57:36,080
Speaker 2: more passes sold and more skiers than more video games

1962
01:57:36,080 --> 01:57:41,440
Speaker 2: and more people sitting inside on a computer doing who

1963
01:57:41,480 --> 01:57:47,080
Speaker 2: knows what it's like. Get yourself outside and embrace this

1964
01:57:47,640 --> 01:57:49,160
Speaker 2: beautiful world that we live in.

1965
01:57:51,560 --> 01:57:54,360
Speaker 1: How into skiing are you at this point?

1966
01:57:55,640 --> 01:58:01,720
Speaker 2: I'm extremely into it. It's just it looks differently for

1967
01:58:01,800 --> 01:58:05,480
Speaker 2: the reasons I shared. I'm more busy than I've ever

1968
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:08,040
Speaker 2: been in my life, and these opportunities that are coming

1969
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:12,000
Speaker 2: my way, whether it's this stuff with the dead or

1970
01:58:12,640 --> 01:58:19,040
Speaker 2: the creation of the artwork, is super inspiring to me.

1971
01:58:19,320 --> 01:58:23,440
Speaker 2: So I'm willing to put skiing aside because I've skied

1972
01:58:24,280 --> 01:58:27,960
Speaker 2: my entire life. I haven't created movies and created art

1973
01:58:28,040 --> 01:58:32,840
Speaker 2: my entire life, per se. So it's kind of just

1974
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:36,240
Speaker 2: trying to find balance where I'm never going. I'm never

1975
01:58:36,280 --> 01:58:38,839
Speaker 2: going to find balance between my family and my kids

1976
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 2: and everything I explained about my wife and all the

1977
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:47,920
Speaker 2: trials and tribulations we go through, plus my busy ambitions

1978
01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:51,080
Speaker 2: as an artist and I'm filmmaker, plus my skiing, plus

1979
01:58:51,120 --> 01:58:53,760
Speaker 2: my rock climbing, Like, there just is not enough time

1980
01:58:53,800 --> 01:58:57,360
Speaker 2: in the day. So I'm into it. I just don't

1981
01:58:57,400 --> 01:58:58,880
Speaker 2: ski enough, I know.

1982
01:58:59,240 --> 01:59:00,760
Speaker 1: Let me put it this. If I tell you for

1983
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:04,000
Speaker 1: the next six years you can only ski ten times

1984
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:06,920
Speaker 1: a year, how upset would you be about that?

1985
01:59:07,280 --> 01:59:10,400
Speaker 2: Extremely? I ski wave more than ten times a year,

1986
01:59:10,440 --> 01:59:13,560
Speaker 2: and I need to go tour and walk in the mountains.

1987
01:59:13,600 --> 01:59:16,360
Speaker 2: If you told me I could only ski a resort

1988
01:59:16,520 --> 01:59:19,560
Speaker 2: ten times, but I had as much access as I

1989
01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:22,440
Speaker 2: want to walking in the mountains, I would be more

1990
01:59:22,520 --> 01:59:25,800
Speaker 2: okay with it. I still love resort skiing, but I

1991
01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:29,680
Speaker 2: really enjoy walking being in the back country. It's my

1992
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:30,440
Speaker 2: happy place.

1993
01:59:33,160 --> 01:59:35,360
Speaker 1: Well, we've covered a lot of ground. I could talk

1994
01:59:35,440 --> 01:59:38,680
Speaker 1: about this. I'm really into it. You know. The problem is,

1995
01:59:38,720 --> 01:59:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, there are very few people you're talking about

1996
01:59:41,640 --> 01:59:45,720
Speaker 1: swing weight. It's like, you know, Soloman's came out like

1997
01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:48,120
Speaker 1: a pair of these solomon you know, the one thirties.

1998
01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:51,000
Speaker 1: They were too light, couldn't get forward. You know, there's

1999
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:54,440
Speaker 1: the light, there's the heavy boot. You know, there's swingweight.

2000
01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:57,680
Speaker 1: Never mind mounting it all. The problem is not to

2001
01:59:57,720 --> 02:00:00,640
Speaker 1: get too quezy that I've gotten crazy, were the point

2002
02:00:00,640 --> 02:00:05,760
Speaker 1: where it interferes with your raw enjoyment. But when it's wrong,

2003
02:00:06,040 --> 02:00:08,640
Speaker 1: it's so wrong. When you're out on a pair of

2004
02:00:08,680 --> 02:00:13,040
Speaker 1: skis and it's not working, it's like it's possible.

2005
02:00:13,240 --> 02:00:15,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, if you get if you get your

2006
02:00:15,880 --> 02:00:18,520
Speaker 2: hands or if you want hands on a pair of

2007
02:00:18,520 --> 02:00:20,600
Speaker 2: one hundreds, you just let me know. I feel like

2008
02:00:20,680 --> 02:00:23,320
Speaker 2: that would be a great, great starting place for you,

2009
02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:26,040
Speaker 2: and I would love to see you. I wish we

2010
02:00:26,080 --> 02:00:28,400
Speaker 2: need to go skiing with Bernie too. He's on my leg.

2011
02:00:28,520 --> 02:00:32,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Wait wait, wait, let me make it very clear.

2012
02:00:32,720 --> 02:00:34,880
Speaker 1: Definitely want the pair of one hundreds.

2013
02:00:35,080 --> 02:00:38,520
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, well, maybe why don't I take that back?

2014
02:00:38,600 --> 02:00:42,640
Speaker 2: How about we do the Grateful Dead skis you asked

2015
02:00:42,640 --> 02:00:45,360
Speaker 2: about that'll be coming out, will be a limited release.

2016
02:00:45,440 --> 02:00:50,360
Speaker 2: They're beautiful, they'll be celebrating the sixtieth in this project

2017
02:00:50,400 --> 02:00:52,280
Speaker 2: and they'll be on the one ten. So why don't

2018
02:00:52,280 --> 02:00:54,520
Speaker 2: we try to get you a pair of something extra special.

2019
02:00:56,040 --> 02:01:01,760
Speaker 1: It all sounds good. There we go. It all sounds good, good, Chris, Okay,

2020
02:01:02,640 --> 02:01:04,720
Speaker 1: I think we've come to the end of the feeling

2021
02:01:04,760 --> 02:01:07,000
Speaker 1: we've known. You've got to wait to hear from Irving

2022
02:01:07,040 --> 02:01:09,720
Speaker 1: and all those people. I'll let you text up a

2023
02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:12,920
Speaker 1: storm in any event. Thanks for taking the time to

2024
02:01:12,960 --> 02:01:14,000
Speaker 1: speak to my audience.

2025
02:01:14,360 --> 02:01:17,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I really appreciate you. Thanks for having me.

2026
02:01:17,120 --> 02:01:21,320
Speaker 1: Out, you bet. Until next time, This is Bob Leftsticks