1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: If he goes out and he's playing well and the 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: team is not playing well, well, there you have it, 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: all of a sudden that trade value is a lot 4 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: higher than maybe it was. This offseason. 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 2: We have Katie Wu with us. Always enjoy our conversations 6 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 2: with Katie, but even more so now since she's officially 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: part of the ft fam the host of Cardinal Territory 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: along with Trevor Rosenthal, Katy, great to have you on 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: and personally thank you for waiting a few extra minutes 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: as we were hashing things out with Buck Show Walter 11 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 2: and he actually took over at some time or a 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 2: few various times throughout the interview where he was like, 13 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: you know what actually forgets Scott, I have a question 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 2: for you. I have a question for you. How you doing? 15 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: I have great guys, and I was listening to book 16 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: and I think there is you know, as far as 17 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: most engaging interviews AJ and Buck, that's where it's at. 18 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: AJ's nice of you to show up to one of 19 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: my interviews though it's been a minute, so it's nice 20 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: to see you. 21 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 3: You know why I showed up, Katie, because this is 22 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 3: what I figure. I figured with you running Cardinal territory 23 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 3: now right that if they have Daniel descalso on the 24 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 3: coaching staff, John Jay, they have they have mister Freeze 25 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: in town, right, and all Ali Marmal's talking about how 26 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 3: great they are. Listen, nobody of those three, including myself. 27 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 3: So US four is a bigger cardinal legend than me. 28 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 3: So I don't know why our Olie Marmal has not 29 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 3: brought me in as a coach or at least a 30 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 3: special advisor to something. 31 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 4: Right. 32 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 3: I could be a special advisor to Katie Woo. 33 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 4: We could talk cardinal baseball. 34 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: We could do that. Spe go across the street and 35 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: bang on Olie's office and be like, hey you yeah, 36 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: I got it. 37 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 3: Actually, bang on Moe's door and be like, hey listen, 38 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 3: I got this. Guy'd be perfect for your front office. 39 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 3: And then I want to know what most says. I 40 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 3: want the answer he's gonna say, ask, I'm like me, Kelly, 41 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 3: you'd be like nope, I like IIM and I got 42 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 3: drunk once at the bar in Houston after they lost. 43 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 4: We had a long chat him and ire buddies. 44 00:01:59,440 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: I didn't know you. 45 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 4: Don't let don't let a j pander to you because 46 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 4: he has never watched Cardinal Territory one time. No, I haven't. 47 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. 48 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: I knew that. I knew that, and I'm glad that 49 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: you were honest about it. But hey, for those better 50 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: than a watch Cardinal Territory. 51 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 4: I catch clips. 52 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 2: Let's catch clips, and we ran a clip on yesterday's show, 53 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: So there you go. But now aj you've earned yourself 54 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: a guest appearance. Are gonna have to come on at 55 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 2: some point with Katie and Trevor and give him the 56 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: former Cardinal perspective. But let's hit storyline so we can 57 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: talk to Katie about this current club. We've got four 58 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: that we need to hit on our test are not awkwardness. Also, 59 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: it's still a shocker to me that he didn't accept 60 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: Houston And will he open up that list a little 61 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: bit more during the trade deadline time period. If he's 62 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: playing well, Mason win breakout season at shortstop? Will Winter 63 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: work to take his bat to the next level? Did 64 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: he improve things? We'll find out. Let the kids play 65 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: Jordan Walker online one and pitching assets to deal well 66 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: him Bloom and yes Moe, who's still running the club technically, 67 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: but Bloom is waiting to take over in a year 68 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: and he's part of the org. Now will they sell 69 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: off pitchers like Sonny Gray and Ryan Helsley at the 70 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: trade deadline if this team is not good? All right, Katie, 71 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 2: let's start at the top here. The Saint Louis Cardinals 72 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: did absolutely nothing during the off season. They tried really 73 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 2: hard to do something and that was trade Nolan Arnatto. 74 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: It didn't happen. So I want to project forward. How 75 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: do you see this playing out? What are the scenarios 76 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: if he plays well and if he does not play 77 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: well in the first couple months of the season. 78 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is so interesting to me because all off 79 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: season long we talked about if Nolan Arnaudo would be 80 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: traded or not, and it went back and forth for 81 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: four months now. He's been at Cardinals camp for about 82 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: a week now, and honestly, it's been pretty business as usual. 83 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone expected otherwise. Nolan Arnado is a pro. 84 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: He's been in the game for over a decade, and 85 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: he's set up to reporters. He said it to his teammates, 86 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: if I'm going to be in Saint Louis, I'm going 87 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: to give it all I got. Where the Cardinals go 88 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: from here with Nolan is interesting because neither Arnato or 89 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: John Mozelack has closed the door on a trade, but 90 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like anything is likely to happen anytime soon. 91 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is because the whole 92 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: reason a trade didn't take place in the first place 93 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: is because of the stipulations from both sides just not 94 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: really yielding a lot of results. We know that Nolan 95 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: gave Mozaylock five teams that he would consider a trade to. 96 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: He doesn't seem like he's going to He said at 97 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,559 Speaker 1: least that he's not going to expand that list. Among 98 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: those destinations the Red Sox, the Yankees, the Dodgers, the 99 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: Padres didn't really seem to have a fit. So right 100 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: now everyone is just kind of stuck. Now the Cardinals 101 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: are moving forward with Nolan as their third basement until 102 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: for their notice. But I think again, it's going to 103 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: be a topic that we revisit throughout the off season. 104 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: And there's so many different tangibles here that can affect 105 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: the outcome of the situation. Right you mentioned some of them. 106 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: Nolan Arnaudo could go out and have a balance back here. 107 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: There's been two seasons of offensive decline. He certainly isn't 108 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,679 Speaker 1: happy about it. If he goes out and he's playing 109 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: well and the team is not playing well, well, there 110 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: you have it, all of a sudden, that trade value 111 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: is a lot higher than maybe it was this offseason. Now, 112 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: if he goes out and the team is playing well 113 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: and he's not playing well, then I think we're going 114 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: to get to that awkwardness that maybe people alluded to 115 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: before he reported to camp. The Cardinals don't feel they 116 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: need to make any decisions right now. This is just 117 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: something that they'll continue to revisit. Most said it. He said, 118 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: this is not a situation where I'm going to be 119 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: like pouring through the waiver wire or scouting, like looking 120 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: for injuries to see if there might be something out there. 121 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: If something is presented to us, we will explore it. 122 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: But there is no reason for us to continuously pound 123 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: down the door like he did for the last four months. 124 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: So they don't really know what's going to happen with 125 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: art Auto, and the good news I guess for everyone 126 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: involved is they don't have to. The Cardinals can move 127 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: forward business as usual. They'll again peruse the market every 128 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: now and then, but for right now, they're committed to having, 129 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: you know, so a goal ten time Gold Glove winner 130 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: at third base. Guys, that's not a bad thing to 131 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:05,559 Speaker 1: have on your roster. 132 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 4: Sounds like a good fallback plan now as part of 133 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 4: the retooling, since we won't call it rebuilding. Nice nice 134 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 4: problem that they have. They've solidified shortstop with Mason Win. 135 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 4: They would love for his bat to take the adjustments 136 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 4: from the winter and take them to new heights with 137 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 4: his back. Is there something specific that Mason Win wants 138 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 4: from that work that he's put in or is this 139 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 4: all just a club thing? And Mason Win's like, you 140 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 4: know what, I'm only twenty two, so I'll probably just 141 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 4: improve even I did do anything this winter. 142 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: I think Mason Wynn is about as hungry as it gets. 143 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: He said during winter warm up, he wants twenty homers 144 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: this season. And you look at his frame, you look 145 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: at what he's known for, obviously the defensive ability at shortstop. 146 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: Mason Winn doesn't have to be a power hitter by 147 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,799 Speaker 1: any means to be valuable to the Saint Louis Cardinals, 148 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: but he certainly is not happy being a one or tool, 149 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: a one or two type of tool, and that's what 150 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: I think Cardinals fans can get excited about for Mason Winn. Look, 151 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: we know it's a down year, very uneventful offseason, if 152 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: you will. There's a lot of apathy around Baseball Heaven 153 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: these days. But when you have a player like Mason Winn, who, 154 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: in my opinion, solidified himself as someone that you can 155 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: build your club around, and that's all what the Cardinals 156 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: want to figure out. Who can they build around? And 157 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: he comes to camp and he said, hey, you know, 158 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: I had a really good rookie year, first full season, 159 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: played almost every game at shortstop, was a nationally goal 160 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: Glove finalist, But I want to slug more. Just knowing 161 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: that his body type and knowing that he doesn't necessarily 162 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: have to be a power hitter. Mason Win strikes me 163 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: as a guy who is never satisfied, and he has 164 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: a real legitimate opportunity to present himself as one of 165 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: these key franchise players going forward. We know the Cardinals 166 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: want to identify who in their current club can be 167 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: part of that next core, that hopeful next championship winning corps, 168 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: and Mason Win's mindset of trying to be the best 169 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: player regardless of the great season he had last xt year, 170 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: wanting to be better. I think that's all you need 171 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: to know about him. I think this is someone that, 172 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: again the Cardinals can build around. He certainly wants to 173 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: be a five tool player. He has the defense, he 174 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: has the arm, he has the speed. Now he wants 175 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: the pop. Guys, I think you can. 176 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 4: Do it well. 177 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 3: Okay, speaking of guys that we're supposed to be there, 178 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: Jordan Walker, is it time where they just say listen, 179 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 3: Jordan Walker, you get six hundred a batch, you play 180 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 3: wherever you gotta play, whether treyfield, leftfield, shortstop, first base, catcher, 181 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 3: whatever it is. 182 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 4: We just need to see if you can hit. 183 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 3: And then some of the other young guys, Victor Scott, 184 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 3: who's going to be the catcher? Are they going to 185 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 3: let the kids finally play in Saint Louis and give 186 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 3: him a real shot at solidifying themselves as the big leaguers. 187 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: This, to me is the biggest question for the Cardinals 188 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: this spring training. We spent all off season listening to 189 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: their narrative of opportunity runway, let the kids play a 190 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 1: transitioneer now here. The Cardinals are on February twentieth, so 191 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: things can change, but this roster currently looks a lot 192 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: like last year's roster of minus Paul Goldschmidt, and the 193 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: big question for them is can they actually guarantee this 194 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: runway that they spent the last four months touting to 195 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: anyone that would listen, And I think they can to 196 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 1: some degree. I don't think that Nolan Arnatto coming back 197 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: and playing third base impacts the playing time they have 198 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 1: for guys like Nolan Gorman, Jordan Walker, Lars Nubar. Of 199 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: the entire group, Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman, I think 200 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,719 Speaker 1: are facing the most pressure internally to figure it out 201 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: this year because they were both such highly touted prospects, 202 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: and because their ceilings are both so high if they 203 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: could just figure out how to hit consistently. So I 204 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: do think the Cardinals are going to prioritize finding consistent 205 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: playing time for those two alone. And it doesn't necessarily 206 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: have to be Jordan Walker in right field and Nolan 207 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: Gorman at second base. The advats are what matter here 208 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: the most, and you know, the Cardinals have a semi 209 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: flexible lineup in terms of roster flexibility positional flexibility, so 210 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: there's a way to bounce guys around. But the two 211 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: guys that I expect to be mainstays in this lineup. 212 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: Really the bare minimum to ensure that this storyline, if 213 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: you will, actually takes place, is that Jordan Walker and 214 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: Ollan Gorman play every day. 215 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, don't don't. Don't say flexibility. That's what got him 216 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 4: into this situation. That's what God Jordan Walker using up 217 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 4: his options. Don't say flexibility. People are listening. Moe is 218 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 4: even listening too. So the question I have for you 219 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 4: is kind of have a little bit of veteran pitching. 220 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 4: They have valuable veteran pitching on a team that's going 221 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 4: to reboot. Is him going to Heim Bloom going to 222 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 4: be trading these guys at the during the season, at 223 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 4: the trade deadline. 224 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: Hem Bloom won't necessarily be making those decisions. John Mozelock will. 225 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: So this is another part of the transition yere that 226 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: I think is well. I do understand where the Cardinals 227 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: are coming from and their overall plans. I can't really 228 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: recall a time in Major League Baseball as of late 229 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: where there was a president Baseball Operations and the next 230 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: president of Baseball Operations kind of waiting in the wings 231 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: and they're working in tandem. So what's key to remember 232 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: about this twenty twenty five season is John Mozelock is 233 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,119 Speaker 1: still hauling the shots. They will be his decisions ultimately. 234 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: Will he be discussing with Hein Bloom on things that 235 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: will impact the team past twenty twenty five. Yes, he's 236 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: been very in my opinion, transparent about that. How he 237 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: will consult him's opinion in these decisions, because him is 238 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,479 Speaker 1: the one that's going to have to face the consequences 239 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: or manage through the consequences if you will. But I 240 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: think that's it's too premature to ask that question because, well, 241 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: he's not going to go out right and say it. 242 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: John Mozala doesn't want to go out like this. John 243 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: Mozilla doesn't want to go out with a losing record. 244 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: He doesn't want to wave the white flag. And when 245 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: you think about what he's accomplished in his career, I 246 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: can understand that. I think if the Cardinals are hanging 247 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: around come July, I don't think they're going to sell 248 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: their assets. I think, you know, if they were really 249 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: committing to a rebuild, and to their credit, they have 250 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: never said that word, even though we all know to 251 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: a degree what they are doing. They would have traded 252 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: guys like Sonny Gray if you wanted to. You know, 253 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: he's a no trade clause that does come into effect. 254 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: But guys like Eric Betty, Steven Matt Ryan Helsley, they 255 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 1: would have been gone in November because they were a 256 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: lot factored into that. Because Mozilla believes that his team 257 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: can still contend in the National League Central. So I'm 258 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 1: not sure if they're really going to depart any pitchers 259 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: unless we get to July and they are just so 260 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: clearly bonded out by then in that division. But I mean, 261 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: I think Most made it pretty clear he still wants 262 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: to win in his final year. 263 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 4: Wow. 264 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 3: Wow, all right, let's ask you. I gotta ask you 265 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 3: a non baseball question. We had Chan the Roman yesterday 266 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 3: two days ago. He's a Palm Beach guy. Have you 267 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 3: been to the Square Grouper in U Tiki yet? 268 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 4: That's all I want to know. That's my question. 269 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: I go out least three times. I was literally at 270 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: Square Grouper yesterday and Utiki Onday with Chandler. 271 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 3: So oh, there you go. See he's a member member. 272 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 3: She's a member of Square Grouper. 273 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 4: I don't know if you can join that place. 274 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 3: I mean listen between Waxin's Square, Grouper U Tiki right. 275 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: I mean, there's there's like a little lap you can 276 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 3: do around Roger Dean. It's pretty fun. 277 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: There's Guanda Bonas out there. That's of a Rosenthal's favorite place. 278 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: I was actually there yesterday as well. I'm kind of 279 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: went on a little bit of a bar tour these 280 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: early days. 281 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 4: Aj. 282 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: You know, before games, you can lead the complex by 283 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: like three if you work really hard and all of 284 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: a sudden got a little bit of day drinking in you. 285 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 4: Spring training is not allow what a humble brag by 286 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 4: Katie Katie said, if you work really hard like me, 287 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 4: Katie Woo, you can go out and you can just 288 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 4: booze up. 289 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: All of that was entirely sarcasm. Guys, that was entirely sarcasm. 290 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: I looked at my one said I don't want to 291 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: do this today, I'll do it tomorrow, and I left early. 292 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 2: So here we are. 293 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 4: I believe. 294 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 2: The beauty of spring training. Yes, you can get out 295 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 2: early on before the games, by three, but what time 296 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: do you have to get there in the morning. That's true, you. 297 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 3: Can play day drink, but that's why you gay drink 298 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 3: so you can go to bed early and be up early. 299 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 4: Right, that's the. 300 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: You guys know this, like we spend six weeks acclimating 301 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: ourselves to a schedule in spring training that we will 302 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: quite literally never acclimate ourselves to again until this time 303 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: next year. Why do we do this? 304 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 2: It's so dumb. 305 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 4: It's so dumb. 306 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 2: Great job, guys. Your body clock is at five am. 307 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 2: And here's a night game. Here's a night game. Here's 308 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 2: a night game. 309 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 4: It's so stupid. 310 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: I'm with you. I'm with you. Well, Katie, great to 311 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 2: see you. Appreciate the time, Enjoy the Jupiter tour, AJ 312 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 2: misses it. And here's Cardinal Territory with Katie and Trevor 313 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 2: in all the ways that you can obviously follow. Subscribe 314 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 2: and make sure you're paying attention to what they're bringing 315 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 2: to the table, which includes top light interviews like Ali 316 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: Warmal Cardinals manager, which just on one of the latest episodes. 317 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 2: Thank you, Katie, appreciate you guys, love seeing you. 318 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: We'll talk soon.