1
00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,159
Speaker 1: Hi, everyone. Immediately after we finished our recording, there actually

2
00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,120
Speaker 1: was some new information. We're going to add this to

3
00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:06,760
Speaker 1: the very top. So I'm just going to go ahead

4
00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,600
Speaker 1: and share some of the latest from law enforcement. This

5
00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,399
Speaker 1: is from the law enforcement press conference. This is at

6
00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,840
Speaker 1: nine to twenty six am Eastern time. Just for dating purposes,

7
00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to go ahead and play this about what

8
00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:20,840
Speaker 1: they know about the individual.

9
00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,599
Speaker 2: We were able to track the movements of the shooter

10
00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,880
Speaker 2: starting at eleven fifty two am. This subject arrived on

11
00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,440
Speaker 2: campus shortly away from campus. We have tracked his movements

12
00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,440
Speaker 2: onto the campus through the stairwells up to the roof,

13
00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:41,240
Speaker 2: across the roof to a shooting location. After the shooting,

14
00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,760
Speaker 2: we were able to track his movements as he moved

15
00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,920
Speaker 2: to the other side of the building, jumped off of

16
00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,279
Speaker 2: the building, and fled off of the campus and into

17
00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:55,440
Speaker 2: a neighborhood. Our investigators have worked through those neighborhoods, contacting

18
00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:01,760
Speaker 2: anybody they can with doorbell cameras, witnesses, and have thoroughly

19
00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:07,560
Speaker 2: worked through those communities trying to identify any leads. We

20
00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,840
Speaker 2: do have good video footage of this individual.

21
00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,280
Speaker 3: We are not going to release that at this time.

22
00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,720
Speaker 2: We're working through some technologies and some ways to identify

23
00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,440
Speaker 2: this individual. If we are unsuccessful, we will reach out

24
00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:21,959
Speaker 2: to you as the media and we will push that

25
00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,520
Speaker 2: publicly to help us identify them. But we are confident

26
00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,640
Speaker 2: in our abilities right now, and we would like to

27
00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,000
Speaker 2: move forward in a manner that keeps everyone safe and

28
00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,840
Speaker 2: moves this process appropriately.

29
00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,560
Speaker 1: So that's big news. They do have what we really

30
00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,560
Speaker 1: discussed in our segment about how it was pretty shocking

31
00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:43,560
Speaker 1: that they had not released any any information or video there.

32
00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,160
Speaker 1: We do have one more thing that we can play

33
00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,600
Speaker 1: here about the rifle, which the weapon they believe that

34
00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,320
Speaker 1: they've discovered. I'm going to go ahead and play that

35
00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:51,720
Speaker 1: as well.

36
00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:53,320
Speaker 3: This morning.

37
00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:54,880
Speaker 4: I can tell you that we have recovered what we

38
00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,680
Speaker 4: believe is the weapon that was used in yesterday's shooting.

39
00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,960
Speaker 4: There's a high powered bolt action rifle. That rifle was

40
00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,000
Speaker 4: recovered in a wooded area where the shooter had fled,

41
00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,480
Speaker 4: so the FBI laboratory will be analyzing this weapon. Investigators

42
00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:18,000
Speaker 4: have also collected footwear impression, a palm print, and forearm

43
00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:23,000
Speaker 4: imprints for analysis. I understand there are a lot of

44
00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:28,520
Speaker 4: questions about motive. I assure you that all leads, tips

45
00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,360
Speaker 4: and tips are being fully investigated. As of this morning,

46
00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,920
Speaker 4: we received more than one hundred and thirty tips. We

47
00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,840
Speaker 4: think the community for that. This morning, I can tell

48
00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:38,680
Speaker 4: you that we have recovered.

49
00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,280
Speaker 1: So there you go, they've recovered a high powered rifle.

50
00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,200
Speaker 1: So those are the two kind of addendums that just

51
00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,080
Speaker 1: to add into that, keep that in context. Anything else

52
00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:48,880
Speaker 1: you want to add, Crystal before we throw to our

53
00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,160
Speaker 1: original comments.

54
00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:50,840
Speaker 5: No, I think that's it.

55
00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:52,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, just guys, we record our whole thing and then

56
00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,280
Speaker 6: right afterwards there's this press conference, so you know, just

57
00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:00,720
Speaker 6: take that additional information in as you're listening to our commentary. Obviously,

58
00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,480
Speaker 6: the some of the specifics have changed about what we

59
00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,679
Speaker 6: know about the potential suspect, but I think all the

60
00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,200
Speaker 6: overall commentary on what it means for the country, et cetera,

61
00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,640
Speaker 6: continues to stand. So all right, guys, we'll keep you

62
00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,799
Speaker 6: updated best we can. And Ryan, Emily and I will

63
00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,480
Speaker 6: be doing a Friday show tomorrow as well.

64
00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,920
Speaker 1: Hello everybody, it is It's Thursday, and we had to

65
00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,080
Speaker 1: do a little bit of special programming today because conservative

66
00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:31,239
Speaker 1: activist Charlie Kirk was shot and murdered yesterday in Utah.

67
00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,760
Speaker 1: So we're coming in from home. I think people can hear.

68
00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:40,880
Speaker 1: You know, it's a it's a very difficult story to cover,

69
00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,360
Speaker 1: and we're going to take everybody through it, and we're

70
00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,160
Speaker 1: going to talk a little bit about kind of what

71
00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,920
Speaker 1: it means, you know, to us, and kind of what

72
00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,320
Speaker 1: I think we means, you know, to the mission of

73
00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,360
Speaker 1: the show, and just generally about the country and all

74
00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,480
Speaker 1: of that. But we do think, you know, this is

75
00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,400
Speaker 1: a place where we have to show up. We've got

76
00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,280
Speaker 1: to do the news. So so why don't we just

77
00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,560
Speaker 1: go ahead and start, you know, with everything that we know.

78
00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,200
Speaker 1: You know. Crazily enough, it was literally happened as we

79
00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,560
Speaker 1: were planning the show for the next day, and we

80
00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,680
Speaker 1: all found out in real time.

81
00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,680
Speaker 6: So yeah, Emily started sending us messages and none of

82
00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,479
Speaker 6: us could believe it. And before we get into what

83
00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,600
Speaker 6: we know, which frankly, I mean, we waited to put

84
00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:27,160
Speaker 6: anything out last night because there's always you know, misdirection

85
00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,520
Speaker 6: and things that are wrong, et cetera, and usually things

86
00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,159
Speaker 6: shake out and you get a clear picture of what

87
00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,279
Speaker 6: the hell happened. And I can't say that we know

88
00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,200
Speaker 6: that much more this morning than we did yesterday. From

89
00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,560
Speaker 6: everybody at breaking points from me. Sager, Ryan and Emily

90
00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:45,919
Speaker 6: also wanted us to convey our horror at the at

91
00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:50,400
Speaker 6: the whole thing, and our deepest consolences to Charlie's family,

92
00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,400
Speaker 6: his wife, his two kids who were there on the

93
00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,839
Speaker 6: scene when he was shot and murdered in this political

94
00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:00,440
Speaker 6: assassination that happened in broad daylight. So here's what we know.

95
00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,680
Speaker 6: Let me go ahead and set the scene a little bit.

96
00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:07,159
Speaker 6: This was you know, Charlie has known for his college tours.

97
00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,960
Speaker 6: This was the first stop of a college tour. This

98
00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,080
Speaker 6: was in Utah at Utah Valley University. And you know,

99
00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,880
Speaker 6: it looked like a looked like a normal day. He

100
00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,919
Speaker 6: was out, he was throwing hats into the crowd, and

101
00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:25,560
Speaker 6: then suddenly gunfire erupts and you can see everybody scattering

102
00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:31,160
Speaker 6: and screams and chaos. You guys have probably seen the

103
00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,960
Speaker 6: actual video of his murder, which was captured on camera,

104
00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,960
Speaker 6: and if you haven't seen it, I recommend you don't

105
00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,680
Speaker 6: watch it because the image will haunt you for.

106
00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,239
Speaker 5: The rest of your life. Absolute horror.

107
00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:51,080
Speaker 6: Single shot to the neck and he instantly collapses. The students,

108
00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,640
Speaker 6: of course flee as we showed you there, and what

109
00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:59,520
Speaker 6: we have come to find out from video, and you know,

110
00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,120
Speaker 6: from from what we've learned at the scene, is that

111
00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:06,479
Speaker 6: the shooter was apparently on a nearby roof. Let me

112
00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,680
Speaker 6: go ahead and share this piece so you can see

113
00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,320
Speaker 6: a little bit of you know, what this looked like.

114
00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:18,479
Speaker 6: So you can see this image here appears to be

115
00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,800
Speaker 6: the shooter and Sagar, you know, as we're putting the

116
00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,560
Speaker 6: pieces of this together, and Charlie was taken to the

117
00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,960
Speaker 6: hospital and then you know, later died while he was

118
00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,480
Speaker 6: there receiving medical care. And anyone who saw that wound

119
00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,599
Speaker 6: I think was pretty convinced pretty quickly that he wasn't

120
00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,960
Speaker 6: going to be able to make it. But the shooter

121
00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:43,720
Speaker 6: was quite a distance away. Immediately, the police arrested an

122
00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,120
Speaker 6: older man who was in the crowd. There were some

123
00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,240
Speaker 6: eyewitnesses who said that he had claimed responsibility, this old

124
00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,520
Speaker 6: man that was in the crowd, even though yet was unarmed.

125
00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,760
Speaker 6: There's video also of him being dragged off where he's saying,

126
00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,200
Speaker 6: shoot me, shoot me, acting very strange. Meanwhile, the actual

127
00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,800
Speaker 6: gunman was on this the roof. Estimates are some two

128
00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:06,159
Speaker 6: hundred yards away. I'm not expert on guns, but you know,

129
00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,040
Speaker 6: we've all sort of spoken to people in our lives

130
00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,640
Speaker 6: that we know who say this. You know, this would

131
00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,280
Speaker 6: be a difficult shot, and it was a single shot,

132
00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,160
Speaker 6: and obviously, you know, shot to kill, and so far

133
00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,400
Speaker 6: has successfully evaded capture.

134
00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, the circumstances beyond the sheer horror of the actual murder,

135
00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:27,440
Speaker 1: the circumstances of this assassination are really honestly shocking. So

136
00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to go ahead and put this map up

137
00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,800
Speaker 1: here on the screen just so that people can see.

138
00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,600
Speaker 1: So this was if you're watching exactly where Charlie was shot,

139
00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,679
Speaker 1: kind of in a lawn, you know, almost auditorium style

140
00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,200
Speaker 1: place at the Utah Valley University campus, and a video

141
00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,800
Speaker 1: showed a person on the roof before the shooting about

142
00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,360
Speaker 1: four hundred and thirty feet away. So if you're looking

143
00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,520
Speaker 1: at this diagram, you can actually see the rooftop where

144
00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,280
Speaker 1: some of the video actually captured. You know, this individual

145
00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,560
Speaker 1: are suspected individual. Part of the thing is, you know,

146
00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,640
Speaker 1: we really don't still know a lot right now. You

147
00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,800
Speaker 1: had that initial suspects, not even suspect. You had a

148
00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,440
Speaker 1: person who was taken into custody who faced questioning and

149
00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:15,080
Speaker 1: definitely was acting very strangely That was followed by the

150
00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,920
Speaker 1: FBI Director Cash Ptel, who said that there was a

151
00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,400
Speaker 1: subject in custody that was a second subject actually in custody.

152
00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,200
Speaker 1: I can go ahead and put that up there on

153
00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,400
Speaker 1: the screen as well, because it just shows the chaotic

154
00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,319
Speaker 1: nature so far of a lot of the communication from

155
00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,640
Speaker 1: law enforcement. They say that the subject in custody has

156
00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,480
Speaker 1: been released after an interrogation by law enforcement. Our investigation

157
00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,560
Speaker 1: continues and we will continue to release information in the

158
00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,400
Speaker 1: interest of transparency. But that is the last communication that

159
00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,800
Speaker 1: we had gotten from the FBI director so far, and

160
00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,920
Speaker 1: the manhunt remains underway.

161
00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,400
Speaker 6: And incredibly irresponsible, frankly to put out such a you know,

162
00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,400
Speaker 6: his initial statement. People really felt like, oh, they got

163
00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,400
Speaker 6: the guy right. There was a press conference with law

164
00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,600
Speaker 6: enforcement and other electeds that they were contradicting each other

165
00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,559
Speaker 6: at that point, whether they had a suspect and custody

166
00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,320
Speaker 6: or not, whether there was an ongoing manhunt or not.

167
00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,200
Speaker 6: In addition to the old man that was seemingly acting

168
00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,800
Speaker 6: very bizarre at this at the scene but has now

169
00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:23,520
Speaker 6: been released, there was another another guy that they arrested.

170
00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,880
Speaker 6: I think that actually is the subject that Cash was

171
00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,000
Speaker 6: Pashtel was referring to here.

172
00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,000
Speaker 5: Also turned out to be uninvolved.

173
00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,840
Speaker 6: He'd been like a Heritage Foundation staff or so, just

174
00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:34,839
Speaker 6: you know, part of the sort of conservative firmament. I

175
00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,600
Speaker 6: don't know why they picked him up at all, but

176
00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,400
Speaker 6: extremely bizarre. You know, at this point, basically the only

177
00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:46,040
Speaker 6: thing that we have heard definitively about the appearance of

178
00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,240
Speaker 6: this you know, of this individual, the assassin, is that

179
00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,600
Speaker 6: they were dressed all in black. There was some audio

180
00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,360
Speaker 6: released from a police scanner that you know, said we're

181
00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,160
Speaker 6: looking for a subject who's dressed all in black.

182
00:09:58,480 --> 00:09:59,640
Speaker 5: That's basically it.

183
00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,440
Speaker 6: We don't have any any photos of any suspects. We

184
00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,280
Speaker 6: haven't heard anything about any any tips or intelligence. Now

185
00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,640
Speaker 6: maybe there are things going on behind the scenes, but

186
00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,800
Speaker 6: the fact they had two separate individuals in custody that

187
00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,800
Speaker 6: they questioned and released and have not put out any

188
00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,440
Speaker 6: information to the public to try to apprehend anyone, I mean,

189
00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:21,880
Speaker 6: it's it's deeply concerning.

190
00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,880
Speaker 5: And uh, all.

191
00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,640
Speaker 6: The experts who've looked at this say, this looked like

192
00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,760
Speaker 6: an extremely professional job. You know, the shot itself would

193
00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,320
Speaker 6: be would be difficult, and you know, single shot, single

194
00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:40,800
Speaker 6: kill shot. Then he's able to seemingly flawlessly escape and

195
00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,680
Speaker 6: escape justice at least up to up to this point

196
00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,760
Speaker 6: in the day. You know, soccer, can you do you

197
00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,120
Speaker 6: mind putting that map up on the screen if you

198
00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,199
Speaker 6: have it, because if you look at that building, uh,

199
00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,520
Speaker 6: there is a parking lot too that is right behind

200
00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,679
Speaker 6: the building that you know that the shooter was a

201
00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,000
Speaker 6: lleged you know that we think that the shooter was

202
00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,000
Speaker 6: on when he murdered Charlie Kirk. And so the thought

203
00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,080
Speaker 6: is that he was able to, you know, escape from

204
00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,800
Speaker 6: this building while the crowd is fleeing, while they're bothered,

205
00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,120
Speaker 6: you know, busy arresting this old man who has apparently

206
00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,960
Speaker 6: nothing to do with it, he's able to probably go

207
00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:19,400
Speaker 6: to this parking lot and escape and vanish so far

208
00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,880
Speaker 6: into thin air. So from the difficulty of the shot,

209
00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:27,400
Speaker 6: the execution of that, to the ability to get away

210
00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,760
Speaker 6: from the scene and you know and take advantage of

211
00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,079
Speaker 6: these you know, diversions, makes it seem like it was intentional.

212
00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,240
Speaker 6: I guess that's not completely onto the question, but take

213
00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,320
Speaker 6: advantage of this chaos to be able to exit. This

214
00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,400
Speaker 6: was someone who knew what they were doing. This was

215
00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,160
Speaker 6: not some random radicalized in cel on the internet or whatever.

216
00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,560
Speaker 6: This was someone you know, someone who had a lot

217
00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,840
Speaker 6: of experience in marksmanship and who had a plan and

218
00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:53,760
Speaker 6: was able to execute it.

219
00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:54,000
Speaker 7: Yeah.

220
00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:55,840
Speaker 1: What I heard from a few gun experts is they

221
00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,040
Speaker 1: were like, look, it's not that two hundred yards is

222
00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,080
Speaker 1: a difficult shot. It's their life. You know, somebody could

223
00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,920
Speaker 1: do it. They would have to know some familiarity. Generally,

224
00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,600
Speaker 1: laying in the prone makes it a lot easier in

225
00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,080
Speaker 1: terms of the sniping direction. But I think actually you

226
00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,320
Speaker 1: have to combine it with the totality of what we've

227
00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:19,440
Speaker 1: seen in the executions so far wearing black also, you know,

228
00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,319
Speaker 1: laying in the prone, finding a position, planning the attack,

229
00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,800
Speaker 1: having a way of egress, evading capture, some thirteen out.

230
00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,240
Speaker 1: Keep in mind, everybody, we're recording this around eight thirty

231
00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,959
Speaker 1: am Eastern Standard time, Eastern time, so people should just

232
00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,480
Speaker 1: remember that, you know, information can break very quickly. But

233
00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,920
Speaker 1: this is largely not just our you know, assessment, it's

234
00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,200
Speaker 1: also the assessment of some law enforcement experts. You know,

235
00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,600
Speaker 1: the CNN actually had a guest on who made this

236
00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,520
Speaker 1: very point. So I'm going to go ahead and play

237
00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,880
Speaker 1: a little bit from what they were saying.

238
00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,760
Speaker 8: In a case like this, you're looking for someone who

239
00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,480
Speaker 8: has detachment and a lack of empathy, who likes to

240
00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:06,600
Speaker 8: be in control the offender. Characteristics of the assassin sniper

241
00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,680
Speaker 8: are something that's been studied very closely, especially by the

242
00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:16,319
Speaker 8: Secret Service, and it's someone who's methodical and patient, self reliant.

243
00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,600
Speaker 8: In other words, Caitlin, this is the kind of person

244
00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:24,080
Speaker 8: who would have planned to get in silently, try to

245
00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:29,120
Speaker 8: be invisible, take this shot, accomplish the mission, take the

246
00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,080
Speaker 8: gun with them, and leave little evidence behind, which is

247
00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,760
Speaker 8: why I think they're having a very difficult time getting

248
00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,600
Speaker 8: started on this. This is someone who was a.

249
00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,959
Speaker 7: Planner and John Also, what stood out to me from

250
00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,040
Speaker 7: what we heard from officials earlier was they said it

251
00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,080
Speaker 7: was a single shot that was fired. It wasn't multiple

252
00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,080
Speaker 7: shots in Charlie Kirk's direction. They said it was about

253
00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,320
Speaker 7: two hundred yards away from where he was sitting under

254
00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,280
Speaker 7: that tent. What does that tell you about the person's

255
00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,120
Speaker 7: familiarity with firearms?

256
00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,640
Speaker 8: That tells you that the person is not new to shooting.

257
00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:06,280
Speaker 8: That they understood exactly what type of long rifle to bring,

258
00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,440
Speaker 8: what kind of optics in terms of scopes and sites

259
00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,840
Speaker 8: to have on that What the windage was that might

260
00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,440
Speaker 8: affect a shot from that distance. This is someone who

261
00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,680
Speaker 8: knew exactly what they were doing and is probably known

262
00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,680
Speaker 8: to others, and this may be working to the advantage

263
00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,520
Speaker 8: of law enforcement as someone who has a long history

264
00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,400
Speaker 8: in shooting an amateur.

265
00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,360
Speaker 1: So I think that that's very important to keep in

266
00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,200
Speaker 1: mind here. That's what they're saying now so far, you know,

267
00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,360
Speaker 1: in terms of the initial assessment, and I think, you know,

268
00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:44,520
Speaker 1: again combining the totality of the shot, of the execution

269
00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,720
Speaker 1: of getting out. If we think a little bit more recently,

270
00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,240
Speaker 1: one of the more high profile assassinations that we saw

271
00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:55,080
Speaker 1: with Luigi Mangioni, there's a couple of differences because Maggioni,

272
00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,680
Speaker 1: you know, came up very close to the United Healthcare CEO.

273
00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,320
Speaker 1: Of course, you know, he was able to escape, but

274
00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,760
Speaker 1: he also was you know, he made a couple of

275
00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,360
Speaker 1: mistakes there with security camera footage they were releasing images.

276
00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,280
Speaker 1: Law enforcement again to this point, has not released any

277
00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,800
Speaker 1: image at all of the suspect. In fact, the press

278
00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,840
Speaker 1: conference that they gave so that the CCTV footage was

279
00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,880
Speaker 1: grainy and it just simply showed a person in black.

280
00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,600
Speaker 1: Presumably Also, the FBI is going to be doing like

281
00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,880
Speaker 1: a cell phone location ping, which they're able to do

282
00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,320
Speaker 1: and they've done in high profile investigations as well, to

283
00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,960
Speaker 1: try and narrow all of the individuals who were there.

284
00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,800
Speaker 1: I was looking at some maps of the area. There

285
00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,880
Speaker 1: was a freeway very close by and obviously was a

286
00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,240
Speaker 1: very chaotic situation, you know, to be able to go

287
00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,080
Speaker 1: away and get in. There's some three thousand people who

288
00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:48,360
Speaker 1: actually attended the event. But broadly, you know, at this point,

289
00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,640
Speaker 1: the fact that you've evaded capture for some twelve hours,

290
00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,320
Speaker 1: more than twelve hours now since this attack does show

291
00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,600
Speaker 1: and also the release of two suspects says this is

292
00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,440
Speaker 1: a difficult investigation right now for the f and it

293
00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,200
Speaker 1: does tell us also, you know, with the information, the

294
00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,800
Speaker 1: conflicting information and all the stuff that came out, it

295
00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,520
Speaker 1: is it's pretty shocking, and it does I think also

296
00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,240
Speaker 1: what we can focus on is this, you know, if

297
00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,040
Speaker 1: we look at some of that you were talking about,

298
00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:18,800
Speaker 1: the crazed lunatic attacks, very often those lead in suicide.

299
00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:25,040
Speaker 1: They are martyrs who immediately are identified confronted by law enforcement.

300
00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,720
Speaker 1: In this particular case, I think the fact that the

301
00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,640
Speaker 1: shooter fled had a plan in the very beginning that

302
00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,960
Speaker 1: there's been no claim, manifesto, et cetera. Actually is a

303
00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,400
Speaker 1: message in and of itself that this person, at the

304
00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,280
Speaker 1: very least, you know, wanted to evade capture. Now again

305
00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,119
Speaker 1: keep in mind that could be still a single individual.

306
00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,840
Speaker 1: The DC sniper case. If we originally think back to that,

307
00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,280
Speaker 1: there was a lot of speculation to the planned nature

308
00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,080
Speaker 1: of it. It was it's crazy. Actually we're talking on

309
00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,680
Speaker 1: the day of nine to eleven, the twenty fourth anniversary

310
00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,120
Speaker 1: since the nine to eleven attacks that happened in the

311
00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,000
Speaker 1: wake of that, and there was a lot of worry

312
00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,639
Speaker 1: about terrorism, etc. Obviously it turned out to be you know,

313
00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,959
Speaker 1: a crazy guy and his son, but he did have

314
00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,840
Speaker 1: military training and they certainly did, you know, plan a

315
00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:15,320
Speaker 1: lot of this round Luigi against similar situations to somebody

316
00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:20,000
Speaker 1: who conducted an assassination, high profile assassination, was able to

317
00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,359
Speaker 1: flee of their own accord, got away for a couple

318
00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,320
Speaker 1: of days. So it is certainly within the realm of possibility.

319
00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:31,159
Speaker 1: But the nature, the political assassin nature of this is

320
00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,439
Speaker 1: so extraordinary and it really doesn't have a lot of

321
00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,399
Speaker 1: parallels in modern American history, which we can return to.

322
00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,160
Speaker 1: But you know, there's also some pretty kind of crazy

323
00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,240
Speaker 1: information now that's coming out. I want to keep in

324
00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:48,600
Speaker 1: mind in speculation, but there was John Solomon over at

325
00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,320
Speaker 1: who works for I think Real America's Voice, was recently

326
00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,639
Speaker 1: reporting here on Fox News that there was actually some

327
00:17:55,800 --> 00:18:00,399
Speaker 1: foreign intelligence lead involved in Charlie Kirk's assassination. And keep

328
00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,960
Speaker 1: in mind, look Solomon, you know, he is his own

329
00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,040
Speaker 1: track record. You can go and look for yourself. I

330
00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,280
Speaker 1: will say he's the person who broke the Charlie Kirk's

331
00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,280
Speaker 1: death story. He was the first person to report it

332
00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,440
Speaker 1: actually over at Real America's Voice, which was the outlet

333
00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,399
Speaker 1: which hosts the Charlie Kirk program. But here's what he

334
00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,320
Speaker 1: had to say late last night.

335
00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,280
Speaker 9: And that we all lost, no matter what side of

336
00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,680
Speaker 9: the political all you're on too, we lost something important

337
00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,920
Speaker 9: in America today. But the case goes on, the investigation

338
00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,280
Speaker 9: goes on. There's a lot of piecing of evidence together.

339
00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,480
Speaker 9: We don't have a shooter tonight. We have a couple

340
00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,639
Speaker 9: of leads, a couple of people that were released that

341
00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,920
Speaker 9: probably aren't the shooter. They a couple of hot leads,

342
00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,560
Speaker 9: is a little bit of foreign intelligence, and I think

343
00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,840
Speaker 9: over the next couple of days, we'll learn a lot

344
00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,760
Speaker 9: more and hopefully we will bring to justice the evil

345
00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,280
Speaker 9: person who did what they did to Charlie today.

346
00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:48,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope.

347
00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:53,000
Speaker 1: So John Solomon's there saying a little bit of foreign intelligence.

348
00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,359
Speaker 1: It look, it's not deniable. He's got a lot of

349
00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,359
Speaker 1: sources in the Trump administration. Is one of the favorite

350
00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,840
Speaker 1: journalists of Donald Trump himself. And we know that Donald

351
00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,520
Speaker 1: try Trump has actually spent a lot of time actually

352
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,800
Speaker 1: on the phone there is let's see, I'm Crystal, if

353
00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,840
Speaker 1: you just talk, there's some new information. I'm just going

354
00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:10,359
Speaker 1: to review it.

355
00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,199
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, go ahead and take a look at that.

356
00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,119
Speaker 6: So Soccer and I also actually actually both have personal

357
00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,600
Speaker 6: experience with John Solomon. He worked he was our boss

358
00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,240
Speaker 6: effectively at the Hill when we both started there. I

359
00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,679
Speaker 6: will say he is not always the most reliable character,

360
00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,840
Speaker 6: but as Soccer said, he is very well sourced in

361
00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,720
Speaker 6: the Trump administry. He's close to Trump, He's close to Charlie.

362
00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,520
Speaker 6: He you know, is I'm sure close with people in

363
00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,880
Speaker 6: the FBI, probably Cash Betel himself. So you know, that's

364
00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,160
Speaker 6: why it's worth paying attention to what he says there.

365
00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,880
Speaker 6: To go back to what Soccer was saying about, Okay, well,

366
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,639
Speaker 6: what is the what is the profile? What do we

367
00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,879
Speaker 6: know of this individual and what they wanted to accomplish.

368
00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:51,280
Speaker 6: Unlike we can compare to the recent school shooting in Minnesota.

369
00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:56,240
Speaker 6: You know, that person posted long video, there were long journals.

370
00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,760
Speaker 6: They wanted people to know about them and their psychology

371
00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,920
Speaker 6: and what they were doing and why with all this symbology.

372
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,199
Speaker 6: They also intended to be killed on the same and

373
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,760
Speaker 6: killed themselves on the scene. You know, that is a

374
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:13,640
Speaker 6: typical trait oftentimes is you'll see you know, you'll see

375
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 6: a manifesto. You'll see someone who either dies by their

376
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 6: own hands or intends to be killed by the cops.

377
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 6: There's a desire for sort of infamy and notoriety. You

378
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 6: also have, you know, the desire to make some specific

379
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,919
Speaker 6: political point and make it really clear and apparent to

380
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 6: the public. In this instance, you know, you have two

381
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 6: things that you can say for sure. This person wanted

382
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,399
Speaker 6: a public execution. They wanted it to be on camera.

383
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 6: They wanted all of us to be scrolling through our

384
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 6: Twitter and seeing the gore and the horror, the absolute

385
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,240
Speaker 6: horror of this. That was the message they wanted to send.

386
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 6: They wanted all of us to see it. They wanted everyone,

387
00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 6: certainly who's a public fee, They wanted everyone to feel

388
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 6: un safe and know that even if you're you know,

389
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 6: Charlie Kirk and you got the president's ear and you've

390
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 6: got a security team around you, that no one is safe.

391
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 6: And we also know that they wanted not to be found, right.

392
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,199
Speaker 6: They wanted to do this from a distance. They did

393
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 6: not want to be captured. They wanted to evade justice.

394
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 6: They wanted to get away. As far as we know

395
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 6: at this point, we haven't found or located any sort

396
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 6: of specific manifesto. Now that doesn't mean that this wasn't ideological.

397
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 6: I think, I think, you know, it's very very very

398
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 6: likely ideological. Although you know, you can't rule out there's

399
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,679
Speaker 6: all sorts of types of people that this could be.

400
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,919
Speaker 6: But I and I think the third thing we can

401
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 6: say for certain is this was someone who planned and

402
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 6: had some level of experience. You know, again, it looks

403
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 6: like it was a professional job. Now, maybe they just

404
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 6: got lucky, you know, maybe this was someone who was

405
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 6: a hunter and pretty good shot and had an idea

406
00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 6: of how to get away and was able to pull

407
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 6: it off, you know, without some sort of like people

408
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 6: are speculating this could be a government, this could be terrorists,

409
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 6: this could be foreign intel. I think all those things

410
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 6: are on the table, without going too far down the

411
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 6: speculative rabbit hole, but I think those are the pieces

412
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 6: we know at this point. This was someone who wanted

413
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 6: a spectacle of gore and assassination to haunt all of us,

414
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 6: and someone who wanted to get away and be elusive

415
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 6: and evade capture.

416
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: That's right, And that's again, that is a message in

417
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 1: and of itself. It kind of does rule out some

418
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 1: of the more traditional thing not traditional, but some of

419
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: the other high profile incidents that we may have all

420
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 1: witnessed very you know, recently we had the school shooting

421
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis. Often, you know, those lead to murder, suicide,

422
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 1: We've seen attempted assassinate, or even in terrorism. Right, you know,

423
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: it's very often that that will be conducted and then

424
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: claimed and or you know, you could you want to

425
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 1: create the spectacle there and immediately make sure that your

426
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 1: ideology is felt. The very fact that that hasn't happened

427
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 1: is certainly an indication again of something. And eventually, if

428
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 1: the case does get resolved, we'll learn a little bit why.

429
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: My only caution is Luisian Angione very likely conducted a

430
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: political or you know, some ideological assassination, at least in

431
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: his own mind, and he still fled. Right, So say,

432
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: the d C sniper very similar. I mean, he was

433
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: obviously just deeply mentally ill. But I mean everything is

434
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 1: on the table because we don't know anything. That's kind

435
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: of what's so shocking. I'm not going to share the information.

436
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 1: It's not credible confirmed for me to be able to

437
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: bring anything. Yeah, let me just pick.

438
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 6: Up on the Luigi point because just as a reminder,

439
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 6: and I'd have to go back and look at the timeline.

440
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 6: But it was pretty quickly that we were starting to

441
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 6: get information about Oh he stayed at this hostel. Oh

442
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 6: he ate at this location. Oh, here's the surveillance photo

443
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 6: of him at the hostel. Here's the surveillance photo of

444
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 6: him here. There were very quickly, there were some there

445
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 6: were some pieces, you know, he was able to get

446
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 6: out of the city, but there was some information that

447
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 6: they were in fact working with and you know, pretty

448
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 6: quickly you knew a significant amount about this individual, and

449
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 6: they were able to chase down leads. Again, maybe they

450
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 6: have something that's not public, but typically, you know, in

451
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 6: these early days, if they have an image, they usually

452
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 6: put it out so that people can be on the lookout.

453
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 6: I mean, you remember how the Luigi was apprehended because

454
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 6: somebody right well in somebody at a McDonald's in Pennsylvania

455
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 6: saw him and said, Hey, that looks like the photo

456
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 6: that I saw circulating and called the cops. At least

457
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 6: that's the official story of how that all went down.

458
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 6: So they like to get the public involved if they

459
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 6: don't have a suspect in custody, so that people all

460
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 6: over the place can be looking and calling in tips

461
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 6: and trying to assist in this investigation. Right now, as

462
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 6: far as we know, there is nothing to go on.

463
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, it took about twelve to twenty four hours for

464
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: some of that information, so we're still you know that

465
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: in that timeframe obviously, but it yeah, I mean, I

466
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: think again, it's just it's extraordinary, and it does tell

467
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: us at least something that the person wanted to create

468
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: this high profile spectacle, they wanted to get away. And

469
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: you know, I've been thinking kind of racking my brain

470
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: for comparisons, and in modern American history it's there really

471
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: are none. I mean, you know, Charlie, and you could

472
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: kind of call him whatever you want. He was a

473
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: conservative activist, he was an influencer. He's YouTuber, you know,

474
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: And that's part of why I think, you know, so

475
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: many of us who also do very similar jobs and

476
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: participate some similar events, are so shaken and like struck

477
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: by it. And it's because everyone has participated, at least

478
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: in some form, you know, in something like this. You know,

479
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: for more modern comparisons, I mean, I'm not saying that

480
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: they're one to one, but obviously we had in the

481
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties, we had the assassinations of people like Malcolm

482
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: X or MLK Junior. You did have a period of

483
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: a lot of violence, political violence in the nineteen seventies,

484
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: the weather underground, you know, the sib Simbonese Liberation Army,

485
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: the kidnapping of Patti Hurst. I mean, it was a

486
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: crazy time. And we have talked a lot about on

487
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: the show over the years about the comparison to the

488
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,719
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, and that's actually almost immediately what I came to.

489
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: But there's some really darker ones as well that actually

490
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: Ryan was reminding of and I had to go back

491
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: and really to look because I'd only read about them

492
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: in passing. But probably, you know, maybe the more one

493
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: to one comparison would be a guy like Elijah Lovejoy.

494
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,479
Speaker 1: He was actually an abolitionist, a newspaper editor in eighteen

495
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: thirty seven who was actually killed by a pro slavery mob.

496
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: And it was actually quite common during the Civil War

497
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: era where pro abolitionist or anti secessionists and others in

498
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 1: the South, journalists, political editors, people who would express those

499
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 1: types of opinions were killed for their political beliefs and

500
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: for putting that out there. But that is how far

501
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: back I would have to go actually to even find

502
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: a comparison to keep it in the realm of Luigi Mangioni.

503
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: I've talked about this here on the show also because

504
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: of Luigi's own predilections for Japanese culture. But in the

505
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: early nineteen thirties, twenties and thirties, in the rise of

506
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: the Japanese military state, there was a concept called Geikokujo,

507
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: which means kind of like from the bottom to the top,

508
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: and it entailed high profile assassination, and assassination was not

509
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: something just limited to the government, although it was largely conducted.

510
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: It was to target political leaders, opinion leaders, others, for

511
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: people to create a purpose of kind of moving towards militarism. Again,

512
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: they're not one to one, but you know, the same

513
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: social forces are not all that rare. I could also

514
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: think to the anarchist movements of the early nineteen hundreds,

515
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: Gilded Age oligarchs were targeted columnists and others. Again, they

516
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 1: weren't assassinated. But that's part of what makes us, I think,

517
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: so extraordinary. It's so crazy that we're talking. I don't know.

518
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: I mean, it's difficult to describe because it's not the

519
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: same as nine to eleven obviously, but it does just

520
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: feel like a rubicon was crossed yesterday. Yeah, I mean

521
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: he was murdered and he was assassinated in cold blood

522
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: in front of thousands of people in four.

523
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 5: K h pet of the world.

524
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, like streamed live stream. And you know, for those

525
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: of us who were in the news business, we experienced

526
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: his death at like a very visceral level. I mean

527
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: we saw the blood literally and the life like leave

528
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: his body, and uh, yeah, I don't know. For you know,

529
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: it's really poignant. I think to me that it's twenty

530
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: four years now after nine to eleven, and it does

531
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: feel like a very a very different country. And I

532
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: hope I'm not exaggerating or overreacting, but yet, you know,

533
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: and we were thinking about Butler. But that's I mean,

534
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but like that's part of

535
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: American political history. We've had multiple presidents who have been assassinated,

536
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: We've had the chaining caning of Charles Sumner, you know, legislators.

537
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: It's it's not like it was insane right to think

538
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: about It's not like it was insane to think about

539
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: the death or the targeting of political legislators. But now

540
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,719
Speaker 1: it feels like people who engage in American public life

541
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: itself very recently from Charlie and also these ministates, I

542
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: mean these the recent Minnesota attack that was only a

543
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: couple of months ago, where these were state legislators. They're

544
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: not household names president right, these are not not even

545
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: a congressman, not a senator nothing, right, state senator. I

546
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: don't even know who my state senator is. You know

547
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: where I live. And so these are people who are like,

548
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: you know, no offense, but like are like orbiting the

549
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: political system. And I'm Charlie was more. Charlie was more

550
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: influential even than those people I think, you know, to

551
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: the national politics. But I don't know. That's part of

552
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: why it just feels like that Rubicon really was crossed.

553
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 5: I agree. I agree, Sagaran.

554
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 6: To me, it's like it's a wake up call of

555
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 6: the era that we were already living in.

556
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 5: You know that.

557
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 6: I think we were in a little bit of denial about,

558
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 6: to be honest with you, because I mean even January sixth,

559
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 6: like that was an extraordinarily violent and you know, a

560
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 6: violent upheaval. Obviously, you had the two assassination attempts on

561
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 6: President Trump, but like you said, you know, in a

562
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 6: weird way that that unfortunately attempted presidential assassinations. There's always

563
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 6: going to be someone who wants to kill the president, right,

564
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 6: So it didn't feel like a totally different thing than

565
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 6: we've seen or experienced or read about or heard about before.

566
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 6: Right then you get, yeah, these state legislators, you know,

567
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 6: you also had the attack on Paul Pelosi, right, somebody

568
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 6: maniac who came in who was trying to get to

569
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 6: Nancy Pelosi. Obviously, anyone who is in public life at.

570
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: All, rational baseball shooting, remember.

571
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 5: That, Yeah, that's exactly right.

572
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 6: And anyone who's involved in public life at all, it's

573
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 6: almost just accepted at this point that you're going to

574
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 6: get death threats and that's just like part of the

575
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 6: part of the deal. So, you know, obviously for us

576
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 6: on a personal level, like Charlie was more famous than us,

577
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 6: he had the ear of the pros and more power.

578
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 6: You know, he had this whole organization and he was

579
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 6: an influencer and a YouTuber and whatever. But yeah, I mean,

580
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 6: this is someone who is in our world, right, and

581
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 6: so I think it does change everything in terms of

582
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 6: how anyone is thinking about themselves in public life, the

583
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 6: type of events they're going to say yes to, the

584
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 6: type of availability that they're going to have to the public.

585
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 6: And you know, what, can I say, The country's coming apart, right,

586
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 6: We're we're chock full of guns, you know, a nation

587
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 6: pack full of guns, with mass levels of untreated mental illness.

588
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 6: You know, people don't have access to healthcare system, rampant inequality,

589
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 6: and increasing political extremism where people, you know, people are

590
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 6: radicalized and they feel that the stakes are existential, and

591
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 6: in some you know, in some instances, the stakes do

592
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 6: feel existential, like there there are genuine you know, deep

593
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 6: political divides that are very real in the same way

594
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 6: that in the build up to the Civil War, like

595
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 6: for Southerners, the idea that like your whole you know,

596
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 6: Southern slave owners, the idea that your whole economic model

597
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 6: was going to be taken away, that felt existential to them.

598
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 6: So you know, it's a it's a tinder box, like

599
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 6: it's a powder keg, and it is absolutely it's a

600
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 6: terrifying It's a terrifying moment for those reasons exactly. And

601
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 6: to me, that has to be what this assassin wanted us, Like,

602
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 6: that's what he wants the nation to take away from

603
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 6: this is terror is fear, is the sense that you know,

604
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 6: you you can't speak out, you can't be in a

605
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 6: public place, you can't just have political disagreements and listen,

606
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 6: I'm not going to mince words like I genuinely find

607
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 6: found some of Charlie Kirk's used to be violent, abhorrent,

608
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 6: no one like that doesn't mean you murder some I

609
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 6: mean it's it's horrific because once these things are on

610
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 6: the table, that's the thing that's terrifying too. Is like

611
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 6: I was thinking about the and the epidemic of school shootings, which,

612
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 6: by the way, we had a fucking school shooting yesterday too,

613
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 6: like this is America now where three three students were

614
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 6: critically injured at I believe it was, you know, Denver

615
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 6: High School, So you had Columbine. Prior to Combine, there

616
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 6: were not school shootings, and then after Columbine they're just

617
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 6: coming more and more and more and more and more.

618
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 6: And that's what's so frightening about this moment is that

619
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 6: once you put this idea out there into the ether,

620
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 6: how many other people will be quote unquote inspired by it?

621
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 6: How does this transform the way we all relate to

622
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 6: each other? And then you know, we'll talk about the

623
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 6: presence response in a moment, which was just pouring gasoline

624
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 6: on the fire, which is also what makes this so

625
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 6: frightening for all of us. And you know, I don't

626
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 6: think anyone would be surprised if Trump does use this

627
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 6: as some further crackdown on what he sees as his

628
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 6: political enemies.

629
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: Well that's why it's so poigning to think about it

630
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: on the anniversary of nine to eleven, And you know,

631
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: nine to eleven it was kind of the best and

632
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: the worst. You know, the day after nine to eleven.

633
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: It was a similar it was a somber moment. People

634
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: came together, they put the flag in their window from

635
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: the newspaper. Yeah, it's crazy, it's twenty four years ago.

636
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: There's probably a decent number of people watching this who

637
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: don't either weren't alive or don't remember it literally at all.

638
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: But it was I was just young enough or just

639
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: old enough to kind of remember what that experience was like.

640
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: And it's I mean, it's why I'm here. It's the

641
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: only reason I've even got interested in politics. And yeah,

642
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, to that tinder box feeling,

643
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: I think that's what's so really scary, and I do

644
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: think that's what the assassin wanted, and that's why I think,

645
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: you know, we really got to try to work against it.

646
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: It's like you said with Charlie. I mean, look, I

647
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: like Charlie on a personal level. I was telling you, guys,

648
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: I mean I was really shaken up by it. I

649
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: was literally just talking to him a couple of weeks

650
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: ago about what it was like to have kids and

651
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: to have a daughter specifically. He invited me on his show,

652
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: and you know, honestly took courage for him because he

653
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: actually invited me on specifically to talk about Israel, and uh,

654
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's that's part of what's so crazy about it.

655
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: I knew the guy for years. We had our disagreements,

656
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: and that's fine. We have our disagreements here every day,

657
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: you know, you and me, and we were talking about that,

658
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, in the context Emilin and Ryan who enforced

659
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: and weren't able to join us, but they definitely wanted to,

660
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: both expressing their horror how disgusted they are really by

661
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: the whole attack. And I just really don't want to

662
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: go down that path again. But I feel like all

663
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: of the not only does that the assassin want, but

664
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: I also feel like it's to the benefit of a

665
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: lot of entrenched kind of political interests. It's also to

666
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: the you know, it's like the baseline of engagement for

667
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: politics for a lot of people. And that doesn't erase

668
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: the existential field because you're right there are Look, politics

669
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: is existential, is true. We're not going to lie to you.

670
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: I don't means words about that the election was insanely important.

671
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: It was, doesn't you know. Not saying that that, of course,

672
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: it's not like a gateway to justifying political violence. And yeah,

673
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: just like dealing in the aftermath of this feeling of

674
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: public life in the in the tinder box of the

675
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: country again on the twenty fourth anniversary of nine to eleven,

676
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: it all just really kind of comes full circle for

677
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: what they wanted, whoever this person was, and the you know,

678
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: the the the murdering of someone again, there's something so

679
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five about the attack, you know, Mac, Mac

680
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: was not only the fact that we watched it live

681
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: basically happened witnessed. I mean the moment I saw the video,

682
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: I said, disguised dead, it's it's it's over. But Mac

683
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: sent us our producer a video you know, there was

684
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna call him out by name, but like

685
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: a TikToker who's like yo TikTok live, like, you know,

686
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: creating content out of it almost immediately subscribe and subscribe

687
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: to me on my channel, right, And I was like, ah,

688
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: I can't believe really that that's kind of where things

689
00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: are now. And yeah, I mean it's a scared every time,

690
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: not just for people who are engaged in public life.

691
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: And you know, like I said, I knew, Charlie, you

692
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: know that crazy The last time I talked him. We

693
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: fought actually about something. I don't think he would mind

694
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: me saying that. And you know, to his credit, he

695
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: really would talk to a lot of people, and he

696
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: had a debate scheduled with Hassan Piker nine days from now, right, uh.

697
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: And he did change a lot of people's lives and

698
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: their minds. And I mean that's part of what made

699
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: him what he was. And I think at the very least, like,

700
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 1: you know, if there's going to be taken anything from that,

701
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the legacy that I would like

702
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: to look at. But unfortunately, I think things are going

703
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 1: in a bad direction.

704
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 6: Well, I think he was very I mean, he was

705
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 6: really important in Trump's reelection. I mean, you know this

706
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 6: whole like gen Z Men shift like Charlie is a

707
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 6: very important part of that, and a lot of the

708
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 6: you know, a lot of the sort of like I

709
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 6: don't like, legacy conservative influencers. I don't when Chica like

710
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 6: sort of like Trump one point zero people who got big,

711
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 6: like you know, the Ben Shapiro and Tim Poole and whatever.

712
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 6: A lot of them have seen some of their influence

713
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 6: and their views fall off as people have moved towards

714
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 6: like Fuenttes and the Croypers and like some other newer

715
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 6: creators as in Gold or as another one.

716
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 5: Charlie still was.

717
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 6: You know, it was like at the peak of his

718
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 6: power and combined having this giant network, this you know,

719
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 6: very influential a lot of Republican influencers too, like their

720
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 6: audience or old people like Charlie genuinely had. You could

721
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 6: see there were thousands of people who showed up for

722
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 6: him for this event, thousands of young people who showed

723
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 6: up for him for this event. So he's a very

724
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 6: important part of Trump's reelect. Obviously, was in contact with

725
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 6: Trump himself and other people in the administration on a

726
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 6: regular basis. And you know, I this is not to

727
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 6: dispectlate about who or what or whatever, but it is

728
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 6: notable too that he was in real time really grappling

729
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 6: with some of those divisions in the MAGA coalition what

730
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 6: it means to be America first and probably nowhere And

731
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 6: we covered some of this on the show. Was he

732
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 6: more sort of like torn and under pressure than on

733
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 6: the issue of Israel? And it makes sense because you

734
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 6: have the president who's with Israel one hundred percent of

735
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 6: the way and back in the genocide and doing the

736
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 6: whole thing. And then you have Charlie's young audience that

737
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 6: increasingly has this very different view, and so you could

738
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 6: see in real time the way he was struggling to

739
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,439
Speaker 6: balance those things because you know, of course he wants

740
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 6: to maintain his good relationship with the White House.

741
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 5: He's trying to keep his base happy.

742
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 6: And whatever, and so you could see playing out before

743
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 6: our eyes like this sort of tug of war for

744
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 6: him of how to position himself. And that's the context

745
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 6: in which he, you know, had you on his show

746
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 6: so you could articulate, you know, your views about it.

747
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 6: He hosted that focused group of young people that we covered,

748
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 6: asking that, you know, what they thought about it, and

749
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 6: sort of letting them talk and also articulate a view

750
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 6: that was divergent for the White House. He's been very

751
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 6: out He's been outspoken on the on the Epstein Files

752
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 6: as well, so you know, he was both kind of

753
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 6: at the peak of his power and also really touching

754
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 6: on some very sensitive and very controversial issues, not even

755
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 6: just with the nation at large, but even within the

756
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 6: Republican the political Republican is actually.

757
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: What's so striking to me is that a guy like me,

758
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: knew Charlie and actually had good relations, and that I

759
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: was watching Fox News and a guy like Mark Levin

760
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: had neutral I mean he was look, he was the

761
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: consummate politician. Honestly, he might have been president one day,

762
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: like even just thinking about it, like in the level

763
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: of fame, the engagement, his ability to kind of navigate

764
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: all the political coalitions from a very early age, engaged

765
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: with the political process. He was basically on a first

766
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: name basis with like every Republican senator. I would say,

767
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: you know, outside of Trump, JD and Elon, he's one

768
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: of the most respect people for the Trump election. In

769
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four TPUSA events, you know, we're critical, critical,

770
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: especially in the gen Z men swing to the right. Uh.

771
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: And you know, again, because we don't know the motivation

772
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: of this shooter or like what they even want to cause,

773
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: it's kind of difficult to even speculate as to where

774
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: that goes. Uh. And I think, you know broadly again

775
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: with Charlie's murder, with his assassination here, I really just

776
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: think about like the sick nature that you said, there

777
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: was a school shooting, and I don't know, I just

778
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: want to come back to like talking and hashing things out.

779
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: I know that sounds really trite, but it is. You know,

780
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: things can be existential, and we also co existence, if

781
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: that makes sense.

782
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's that's what that's what this country has. Yeah, right, exactly.

783
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: We don't really have another choice. And that's what's so

784
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: that's what's scary about it. We don't really have another

785
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: other than more of what you saw yesterday, of murder

786
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: and assassination in cold blood and of kind of you know,

787
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: and that you know, again you can hate the guy,

788
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: disagree with the guy, whatever. Again, we even had our

789
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: own disagreement. Whatever. Fine, you know, I don't have to

790
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 1: throw it clear about it. I liked him. I did.

791
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 1: And to see not just the murder, but kind of

792
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: within the context of the broader country and the slide.

793
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,959
Speaker 1: It's funny when you read a history book, you see

794
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: things that are so obvious. But now if I you know,

795
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: put my history hat on eight years, it's not that

796
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: long ago. That was twenty seventeen. We had the baseball

797
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: shooting right from that point forward of Steve Scalise, you know,

798
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: still injured from the attack. It's a miracle that he

799
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: even survived, and many of the other individuals. Then we had,

800
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: I mean, so an entire summer of insanity. We had BLM,

801
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: which was then followed by January sixth, and then was

802
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: followed now by I mean, you know, interim school shootings

803
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 1: all up in between insane ideological attacks, synagogues, churches.

804
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 6: I mean, Joshapiroson, there were the embassy staffers who yes,

805
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 6: Jesus really, the Minnesota legislators.

806
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: Paul Pelosi was attacked, you know, and and and we're at.

807
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 6: A point now where I can't hold them all in

808
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 6: my head, like I'd have to make a list. That's

809
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 6: how many of these you know, ideological assassination or attempted

810
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 6: assassinations we've seen at this point, just in the past,

811
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 6: just even if you narrated the past couple.

812
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: Of years, right, that's just eight years, right, And I

813
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: can't even go, you know, off off of all of them,

814
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: for I'm sure I'm already missing a bunch within them.

815
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: And that and then just in the last six months

816
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 1: to see, uh, this kind of explode in this like

817
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: like you said, the tinder box kind of nature of everything.

818
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: But what it does I think really demonstrate is, like

819
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: you said, what the intention? And I don't think we

820
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: spent enough time talking about this after nine eleven. That's

821
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: part of why I wanted to focus on it after

822
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: nine to eleven. We did not spend enough time and

823
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: on talking about what did these people want from murdering

824
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: three thousand innocent people on nine to eleven. And what

825
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: they wanted was what we gave them, the invasion of Iraq,

826
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 1: the destruction of our civil liberties. You know, they said

827
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: they hate us for our freedom, and then we took

828
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: away our own freedom. Everybody turned inward. Millions of people

829
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: abroad ended up killed. We ignited civil wars. You know,

830
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 1: if you we'd never had a serious reckoning with like

831
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: why why did the World Trade Center? And it's like

832
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: to strike at the heart of American capitalism. They strike

833
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: at the heart of American power at the Pentagon, and

834
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: they were also going to hit the legislature and the

835
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,959
Speaker 1: seat of government and the point or the White House,

836
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: and no one's really still sure to this day. But

837
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: for what purpose? And the purpose was basically what we

838
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: gave them. And I want to sit with that in

839
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: the in the wake of the death, to say, like, okay,

840
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: like this, what the person wanted was the fear not

841
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: only of people public life, but also just the general

842
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: chilling effect. But look, we still don't know anything about

843
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 1: the shooter. And that's actually still what's so insane really

844
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 1: about it all, and almost kind of heightens the the

845
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: like shocking nature of it, the fact that there's still

846
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 1: not a single detail and it's nine am Eastern time

847
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: that we and I are recording, and we don't know anything.

848
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 6: Right, And I mean, listen, obviously we've been speculating privately.

849
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 6: Unlike others who are extremely irresponsible, We're not going to

850
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 6: just like assume that we know that, including the probable

851
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 6: in the United States, which I'm about to show you,

852
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 6: We're not going to assume we know the ideological motivations,

853
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 6: even you know, as you can certainly spin out any

854
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 6: number of theories. I also wonder if this person is

855
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 6: never caught, like and there will be no end to

856
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 6: the conspiracies about this. But I think it's probably the

857
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 6: right time in the conversation to play the president's response

858
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 6: here because it fits very much soccer with what you're

859
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 6: saying about. You know, we yeah, we responded to nine

860
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 6: to eleven in you know, I don't know, You're probably

861
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 6: right that it is what the terrorists wanted, but it

862
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 6: also just even putting aside their desires. It was disastrous

863
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 6: for us, It was disastrous for the world. It was

864
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 6: certainly disastrous for a rock. It was disastrous for Afghanistan.

865
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 6: You know, the horror and the turmoil of that continues

866
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 6: to this day. And you know the president here threatening

867
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 6: basically to you know, to go to use this, to

868
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 6: to go to war with his ideological enemies, something that

869
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 6: in a lot of ways he was already doing. So,

870
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 6: you know, this is a lot I want to play.

871
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 6: All of this is four minutes. I want to go

872
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 6: ahead and play all of it so that we can

873
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 6: that we can fully react to it.

874
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 3: To my great fellow Americans, I'm filed.

875
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 5: Are you guys, Are you hearing it? Or no?

876
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear it, Okayled.

877
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 10: With grief and anger at the heinous assassination of Charlie

878
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 10: Kirk on a college campus in Utah, Charlie inspired millions

879
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 10: in tonight, All who knew him and loved him are

880
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 10: united in shock and horror. Charlie was a patriot who

881
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 10: devoted his life to the cause of open debate and

882
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 10: the country that he loved so much.

883
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 3: In the United States of America.

884
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 10: He fought for liberty, democracy, justice, and the American people.

885
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 10: He's a water for truth and freedom, and there has

886
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 10: never been anyone who was so respected by youth. Charlie

887
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 10: was also a man of deep, deep faith, and we

888
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 10: take comfort in the knowledge that he is now at

889
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 10: peace with God in Heaven. Our prayers are with his wife, Erica,

890
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 10: the two young beloved children, and his entire family, who

891
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 10: he loved more than anything in the world. We asked

892
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 10: God to watch over them in this terrible hour of

893
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 10: heartache and pain.

894
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 3: This is a dark moment for Americans.

895
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 10: Charlie Kirk traveled the nation, joyfully engaging with everyone interested

896
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 10: in good faith debate. His mission was to bring young

897
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 10: people into the political process, which he did better than

898
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 10: anybody ever, to share his love of country, and to

899
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 10: spread the simple words of common sense when campus is nationwide.

900
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 10: He championed his ideas with courage, logic, humor, and grace.

901
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 10: Long past time for all Americans and the media to

902
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 10: confront the fact that violence and murder are the tragic

903
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 10: consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree, day after day,

904
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 10: year after year, in the most hateful and despicable way possible.

905
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 10: For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful

906
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 10: Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass

907
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 10: murderers and criminals. This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible

908
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 10: for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, and.

909
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 3: It must stop right now.

910
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 10: My administration will find each and every one of those

911
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 10: who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence,

912
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 10: including the organizations that fund it and support it, as

913
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 10: well as those who go after our judges, law enforcement officials,

914
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 10: and everyone else who brings order to our country. From

915
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 10: the attack on my life in Butler, Pennsylvania last year,

916
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 10: which killed a husband and father, to the attacks on

917
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 10: ICE agents, to the vicious murder of a healthcare executive

918
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 10: in the streets of New York, to the shooting of

919
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 10: House Majority Leader Steve Scalise and three others. Radical of

920
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 10: political violence has hurt too many innocent people and taken.

921
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 3: Too many lives.

922
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 10: Tonight, they asked all Americans to commit themselves to the

923
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 10: American values for which Charlie Kirk lived and died, the

924
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 10: values of free speech, citizenship, the rule of law, and

925
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 10: the patriotic devotion and love of God. Charlie was the

926
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 10: best of America, and the monster who attacked him was

927
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 10: attacking our whole country. An assassin tried to silence him

928
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 10: with a bullet, but he failed because together we will

929
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 10: ensure that his voice, his message, and his legacy will

930
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 10: live on for countless generations to come. Today, because of

931
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 10: this heinous act, Charlie's voice has become bigger and grander

932
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 10: than ever before, and it's not even close. May God

933
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 10: bless his memory, May God watch over his family, and

934
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 10: may God bless the United States of America.

935
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 5: Thank you your thoughts soccer.

936
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the worst of Trump, right, this is

937
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: you take a moment where any of I mean, look,

938
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: I know people here, some people don't like JD. You

939
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 1: know what he did afterwards, He put out a remembrance

940
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: about his interactions with Charlie, and he expressed his condolences

941
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: to his wife. And that's just what generally normal people

942
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: do from the entire political spectrum. Uh And what's so,

943
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. And to be honest, that encompasses

944
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: most of the attitude of the rest. Part of why

945
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: I'm really despondent today is that literally, without knowing anything,

946
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: and look, it could be. I mean, who's going to

947
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: put it out of the realm. Of course, it was

948
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: probably a political assassination for some purpose. We have no

949
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: idea really still, we don't even have any confirmed information

950
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: or anything. That's what I was looking at earlier. But

951
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: you know, I actually thought Hanania Richard Hannania said this.

952
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 1: He says, I don't think individual political assassinations have anything

953
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: to tell us about our politics. These are stochastic events.

954
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: It's a country of three hundred and fifty million people,

955
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: widely available firearms. Some of our fellow citizens are insane.

956
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: Like in any country, if your public figure, one of

957
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: the risks that you face is an unstable individual might

958
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: come after you. But what he focuses on and continues

959
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: is not only that we don't know the identity or

960
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: the motivation of the shooter, but also that, you know,

961
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: focusing in on hot political rhetoric. It's I hate to

962
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: sound like a leftist or whatever, but it's pretty obvious

963
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: that it's it's everywhere with you know, for both sides.

964
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: I guess, and I guess I know that's cringe. You

965
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: know that a lot of right wingers don't want to

966
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: hear it, but it's obviously true, Like the rhetoric is

967
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: dialed all the way up, and we could blame everybody.

968
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: Oh it's their fault, they started it. It's sort of fine,

969
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,479
Speaker 1: we are where we are. And I also will speak

970
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: up for free speech. And this is the other thing,

971
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: outside of the context of nine to eleven, is part

972
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 1: of the overwhelming and crushing environment of that time actually

973
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: prevented people who are sober minded, who are asking questions

974
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: and yes, in some cases we're offensive, that's allowed. Okay,

975
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: yes you can cancel them and all of that if

976
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: you wanted to. But mono like monoculture enforcement and just

977
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: immediately kind of reaching for a political agenda is the

978
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: absolute worst of nine to eleven. And well that's that's

979
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: why it hits me hard today.

980
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

981
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:58,439
Speaker 6: Well, and it's so much worse frankly because George W. Bush,

982
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 6: at least right then at the moment, yeah, you know,

983
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 6: tried to calm.

984
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 5: The you know, later on.

985
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, obviously, Like this is no defense of George W. Bush,

986
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 6: But no, you're right, this is an of everybody on

987
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 6: the planet to call out hot political rhetoric.

988
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 5: Donald J. Trump, are you kidding me?

989
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 6: Like, do you remember the things that he I mean,

990
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 6: even in this well speech where he's castigating, he's calling

991
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 6: you know, radical left Marxists and all of that. And

992
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 6: this is a man who just used the mugging of

993
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 6: big balls as an excuse to you know, send in

994
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 6: the National Guard to Washington.

995
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 4: D C.

996
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 6: So what he his whole thing is to use either

997
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 6: real or imagined or invented crises in order to crush

998
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 6: political opponents, crush dissent, consolidate power.

999
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 5: It's what he does.

1000
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 6: And so I don't think anyone should be would be

1001
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 6: surprised by this speech or the very or the likely

1002
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 6: you know, actions he's going to take out of it.

1003
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 6: But yeah, this was this was the line from most

1004
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 6: people on what I saw coming from the right. I

1005
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 6: saw this as war. I saw, you know, we need

1006
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 6: to exact vengeance again before even let's say it is

1007
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 6: someone on the left. Very possible, right, certainly, there'd be

1008
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 6: all kinds of ideological motivations there whatever. To use that

1009
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 6: to say that everyone in that political ideology is basically

1010
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 6: like a terrorist and a murderer is also just disgusting

1011
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 6: and abhorrent. But especially at a time when we don't

1012
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 6: even we have no idea who this person was or

1013
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 6: what their motivation was. So yeah, I mean he's I

1014
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 6: think it was Zajilani on Twitter. He's like, he's an narcissist.

1015
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,479
Speaker 6: This is all he knows how to do is pour

1016
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 6: more gasoline on the flames. That's that is what he

1017
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 6: always always does. And you know, I think I've always

1018
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 6: been in the camp. I continue to be in the

1019
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 6: camp that Trump is a symptom of the underlying problems.

1020
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 6: That if it wasn't Trump, you'd have someone else likely

1021
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 6: to come and fill the role. I don't know that

1022
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 6: they'd have the same level of like power and chrism

1023
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 6: and culture personality that he's been able to accrue.

1024
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 5: But you know, he is the He is the.

1025
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 6: Emblem of the like collapsing country in you know, moral

1026
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 6: collapse and in free fall that I think we all

1027
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 6: have this sense that we're living in where nobody knows

1028
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 6: where the bottom is.

1029
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you said that because I was reflecting

1030
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: on because I was watching TV yesterday and I saw

1031
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: Bush and Obama pull out their conciliatory statements, and I

1032
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: think it's really easy to say, wow, that's great. You know,

1033
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: that's a responsible statement. And I and again and I can't.

1034
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: I mean again, I don't. I can't stress the audience

1035
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: enough how formative nine to eleven was for me, like

1036
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: it's everything, everything is nine to eleven. And then I

1037
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: started to think, well, how did we get here? You know,

1038
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: how how did this all happen? And it was the

1039
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: collapse of institutional trust and the psychotic behavior of the

1040
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: US government post nine to eleven that destroyed trust in

1041
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: the individual state, combined with the failure of the post

1042
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: financial crisis. The I mean, look, we could blame each

1043
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: other for the culture war and all of that. I

1044
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: won't even get into that right now, but at the

1045
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: very least, you know, then that starts to dial up

1046
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: in the midst of all this angst and foreign war

1047
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: and abroad, and that leads. And that's why I'm glad

1048
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: you said it is a symptom, because that is downstream

1049
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: of how a lot of people think.

1050
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 6: Right, and I mean, in a healthy society does not

1051
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 6: elect Donald Trump.

1052
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 5: I don't think a healthy society and certainly not twice,

1053
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 5: and they don't.

1054
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: It's not even just that, because it's about the erasure

1055
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: of not even norms, but what those norms were used

1056
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: to perpetuate under the realm and the administration, the regime

1057
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: of George W. Bush, of Obama, Biden, Trump went whatever

1058
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: like this is genuinely is a bipart problem. It was

1059
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: a cry for help, and it's saying like something is broken,

1060
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: I'm willing to take a chance whatever we need to

1061
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: get out of this. And I think that the shooting

1062
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: is also a symptom of that as well. That's why

1063
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: I really do feel as if we're living right back

1064
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: through the nineteen seventies where we had I mean, if

1065
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: just think about it, we had Nixon, we had riots,

1066
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: we had the killings of in the late sixties of MLK,

1067
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: of Malcolm X, we had a bottom fallout of any

1068
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: hope we were in post Vietnam. We had high inflation,

1069
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: we had political violence. There was a sense in that

1070
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: time that we're never going to get out of this.

1071
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: They're like, this is it. The American Empire has peaked.

1072
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: We have to step back from where things are now. Luckily,

1073
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: you know, we did get out of it, although we

1074
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: didn't get out of it with the unscathed. I wouldn't

1075
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: say it all went so well out And that's kind

1076
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: of kind of.

1077
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 5: How I still fallout from that era.

1078
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: Literally. I mean we were going to before this, we

1079
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: were going to cover the Charlotte murder, right, And I

1080
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: was just and it's so funny because we were going

1081
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: to talk about mental illness and about violence, and about

1082
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: the de institutionalization moment movement of the late seventies and eighties.

1083
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: The color of neo libert with the collapse of a

1084
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: high trust society looks like and explosions of violence and

1085
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: mental illness and murder and public trust and this huge

1086
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: debates between you and me about how to even solve that.

1087
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: But you know, coming from the problem itself and recognizing

1088
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: that is really important. And I'm putting that all together

1089
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: in that context.

1090
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean, just think of like, and it's

1091
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 6: hard to say when you didn't live through the seventies

1092
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 6: to you. No, Like, we can read about it, but

1093
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 6: I don't really know what it feels like, right, I

1094
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 6: don't really know if it feels the same, or if

1095
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 6: this feels not as bad crazy, or if it feels

1096
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 6: way worse. But my suspicion is that it's like the

1097
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 6: seventies on algorithms. Yea, you know, the seventies, but on

1098
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 6: AI fueled, algorithmic driven because what you mentioned this fel

1099
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 6: soo twenty twenty five. I mean in the same way

1100
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,439
Speaker 6: that like the genocide and Gaza is so twenty twenty five,

1101
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 6: Like what is it even doing to us that we

1102
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 6: see this gore as just like a normal part of

1103
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 6: our lives every single day, Like even that, what is

1104
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 6: that doing to us? And then all of the incentives

1105
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 6: for you know, the influencer ecosystem is to put out

1106
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 6: the most inflammatory hot take that you can, Like if

1107
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 6: you're if you're that you know that guy who was

1108
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 6: there at the scene when Charlie Kirk is murdered and

1109
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 6: he's like live streaming and I followed me on TikTok,

1110
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 6: like you're The whole ecosystem is built up to say

1111
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 6: the most irresponsible, inflammatory, like outrageous thing.

1112
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 5: That's what's rewarded.

1113
01:01:55,800 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 6: And then you have these structural and and I sort

1114
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 6: of feel like those things are also symptoms. It's an

1115
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 6: accelerant right of what's already there, because think of what

1116
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 6: a powder keg this place is. You've got so like

1117
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 6: just flooded with guns. You've got a totally broken healthcare

1118
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 6: system where millions and millions of people are walking, you know,

1119
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 6: people walking around with untreated mental illness who don't even

1120
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 6: can't even go to a doctor right, very little like

1121
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 6: wildly in sufficient rehab, wildly insufficient mental health facilities. And

1122
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 6: then you have this vast inequality where people feel like

1123
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 6: they're being crushed day after day after day, and that

1124
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 6: their hope for you know, stable life, their hope for

1125
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 6: their kids, their hopes are just being like ground up

1126
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 6: and crushed. Where there's a sense that it doesn't matter

1127
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 6: who you vote for, that's not going to change. And

1128
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 6: you know, then you layer on top of it this

1129
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 6: very this really heightened political animus and a president of

1130
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 6: the United States who's happened happy to pour fuel on

1131
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 6: that fire because he thinks it serves his interest, you know.

1132
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 6: And it's just it's that mix that makes you feel

1133
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,479
Speaker 6: every day like what is going like up is down,

1134
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 6: left is right, This country is going off the rails,

1135
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 6: and you unlike nine to eleven Sager, like nine to

1136
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 6: eleven really like launched a new era, right It was

1137
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 6: a wake up coase these things were happening in the background.

1138
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 6: We didn't really know, we were kind of like blind

1139
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 6: to it, but it really did sort of launch us

1140
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 6: into a new era. To me, the murder live of

1141
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 6: Charlie Kirk, that we all witnessed this public execution. It

1142
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 6: solidifies in our minds the era we already were in,

1143
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 6: that we already had lots of indications and years of

1144
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 6: experience with at this point.

1145
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 5: And I do think that's not to say that it does.

1146
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 6: It does put new things on the table, right the

1147
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 6: I think unfortunately, I think we're likely to see more

1148
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 6: attacks on influencers. And by the way, this is also

1149
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 6: not the first attack on an influencer. There have been

1150
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 6: other influencers who have people show up at their doors

1151
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 6: and try to kill them whatever. But I do think

1152
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 6: it puts new things on too. But it's also like

1153
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:21,479
Speaker 6: a real reckoning moment with oh, this is where we are,

1154
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 6: Like we already were in this era and this is

1155
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 6: just confirmation of where we are at this point.

1156
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: That's right. I mean, if you think back to the

1157
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties, it's like when RFK, the people who saw

1158
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: are I'm not comparing them, I'm just looking for analogies.

1159
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: When r if I was killed, that's after JFK, MLK,

1160
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: Malcolm X, and then are the people who went through

1161
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: that That's why they gave up. They were like this

1162
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,919
Speaker 1: is just where we are now. That killed it, that

1163
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: killed it. It was a huge turning point for the nation.

1164
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: And yeah, and I guess.

1165
01:04:58,160 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 6: The last thing I'll say on the nine to eleven

1166
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 6: comparison is what makes this moment even scarier. And again

1167
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 6: just to cover like, we're not saying that, Charlie Kirk,

1168
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 6: this one individual being killed is equivalent to you know,

1169
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 6: three thousand people being morded on an island. But we're

1170
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 6: just trying to think of culturally significant moments. And that

1171
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 6: led to a mass crackdown on civil liberties, the fall

1172
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 6: unders which we still live with, that mass surveillance. The

1173
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 6: tech now is so much more advanced, so much more advanced.

1174
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 6: Things they could never have dreamed of in two thousand

1175
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 6: and one are already being implemented in twenty twenty five.

1176
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 6: Like so that's the other thing that makes this such

1177
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 6: a frightening moment. Actually record an episode. I don't know

1178
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 6: if it's going to air now at this point because

1179
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 6: it feels very outdated, But of her take with Anna

1180
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 6: Casparian and Jelly and Michaels and that whole crew, and

1181
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 6: we're talking about there was a dude who went on

1182
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 6: Fox News to pitch his like AI you know, minority

1183
01:05:55,160 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 6: report threat detection thing, and that tech is just like

1184
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 6: widely available now it's there's palenteer.

1185
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 5: The AI race is on.

1186
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 6: So things that were just not technically possible, like the

1187
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 6: type of sweeps and mass targeting, so not just like

1188
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:17,439
Speaker 6: an individual but mass targeting of people for their views

1189
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 6: and their political beliefs. That's all technologically available to us

1190
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 6: in a way that it wasn't previously. And you know, again,

1191
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 6: we have an administration that has used every excuse they

1192
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 6: can to try to go after their political enemies and adversaries,

1193
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 6: whether it's lawyers, whether it's Propalestime protesters, whether it's immigrants,

1194
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 6: whether it's colleges like across the board, and so we

1195
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 6: can only imagine, I think we can only begin to

1196
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 6: wrap our heat around what the fallout from this is

1197
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 6: going to be. What the fallout of seeing this kind

1198
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 6: of gore in our timelines, with the fallout in terms

1199
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 6: of a crackdown is going to be, With the fallout

1200
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 6: in terms of how influencers are going to conduct themselves,

1201
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 6: and what this is going to mean for the world

1202
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 6: going forward.

1203
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's well said. All right, guys, do

1204
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: you have anything else you want to go over, Crystal.

1205
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 6: I think that's a but I don't see anything breaking

1206
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 6: or new that's that's worth putting out there, you know.

1207
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 6: I think as far as we can tell, the search

1208
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 6: for the gunman continues, and as far as what's been

1209
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 6: put out there publicly, there's very uh, you know, here's

1210
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 6: details to go on. But we will say it's very

1211
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 6: early still, so we'll be we'll be on it, and guys, Ryan,

1212
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 6: Emily and I are going to be doing Friday Show tomorrow,

1213
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 6: so we'll hear their thoughts. We'll try to cover some

1214
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 6: other stories tomorrow as well, because of course there continue

1215
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 6: to be important developments happening elsewhere in the world too.

1216
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, thank you guys for watching. Rest in peace,

1217
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: Charlie and condolences to the family. We'll see you guys

1218
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: later