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Speaker 4: What a good father he is.
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Speaker 2: Take them dad.
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Speaker 2: Boys.
Speaker 5: How we doing fan Tabby Loso?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I can't complain. Draft We did this draft? Yeah,
Speaker 6: Draft Week players.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they have a lot of players.
Speaker 6: Trading.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they just acquire a ton of picks next year.
Speaker 7: Uh No, today's there's a press conference with who's all
Speaker 7: going to be on this press conference panel? We got
Speaker 7: Steven Jones, Jerry Jones, Mike McCarthy and Will McLay.
Speaker 4: For this one today.
Speaker 2: Lunch provided, that's all I know.
Speaker 4: Lunch Yeah, lunch.
Speaker 7: Provided, which is a yeah, that's that's new. But yeah,
Speaker 7: so we'll we'll hear from them today. Obviously they won't
Speaker 7: give too much as far as draft strategy goes. But
Speaker 7: certain things that I'm I'm curious about to address is
Speaker 7: are they open for business and trading back? Do they
Speaker 7: want to acquire a Day three pick? You know, what
Speaker 7: does that kind of look like for them?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 7: And their conversations up there in the building. So excited
Speaker 7: to see what comes with that. And then man, draft time,
Speaker 7: I'm excited. Man, It's yeah, it's one of my favorite times.
Speaker 7: It's sure time to shine, right, It's just my favorite
Speaker 7: time of the year.
Speaker 3: Well, we got news and notes to get to kind
Speaker 3: of first off, before we get into the draft stuff.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 3: Dak Prescott, he had some comments this week or I
Speaker 3: guess last week. I kind of wanted to get into
Speaker 3: that as far as his future goes in Dallas. He
Speaker 3: made some comments about that. John, did you want to
Speaker 3: kind of kick us off? And yeah, tell us what
Speaker 3: he said?
Speaker 8: So Nick and I were both there and I don't
Speaker 8: know if this jumped out to you immediately when it happened.
Speaker 8: But the way he talked about not being nervous or worried, feared,
Speaker 8: I don't feel fear. I don't fear about whether it's
Speaker 8: you know, his futures with the Cowboys or something. And
Speaker 8: that's the first time I ever heard him kind of
Speaker 8: talk like that. I like, I liked it from his
Speaker 8: perspective because it just shows you that he's dug in
Speaker 8: and that I mean, he's a competitor. So I did
Speaker 8: it just he is so used to always saying exactly
Speaker 8: whatever the right thing is or whatever, you know, towing
Speaker 8: the company line, and for him to say that, that
Speaker 8: was the first time that I've ever been around him
Speaker 8: where I was like, oh, yeah, he's ready for He's
Speaker 8: ready for the a If if you guys think that
Speaker 8: you're better off without me, well maybe maybe maybe we'll
Speaker 8: find out.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 8: Of course he didn't say that, but that's I mean,
Speaker 8: you read in between the lines. I thought that was
Speaker 8: that was pretty interesting, that part of it, and then
Speaker 8: the other part is just the whole. Yeah, he's talked
Speaker 8: to Jerry Jones about the contract, but haven't had quote,
Speaker 8: real talks. Yeah, And that one to me was a
Speaker 8: little surprising, just because that's all we talk about is
Speaker 8: just DA contract, CD contract, MIC A contract, and you're
Speaker 8: just thinking, well, no, they're they're having these conversations everything,
Speaker 8: and the fact that they're not really having any substantial
Speaker 8: conversations it just I mean, I said this before free
Speaker 8: agency started. I know you've said it way before then,
Speaker 8: but just like every day that goes by, it's more
Speaker 8: and more likely that he's going to play out this
Speaker 8: final year of this deal, and that's just gonna be wild.
Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, there's gonna be a lot of pressure
Speaker 8: on him, but there was pressure on him before for
Speaker 8: that last deal and he broke his ankle pretty significantly
Speaker 8: and still got that deal. So that doesn't mean that
Speaker 8: he's not going to be with the Dallas Cowboys. But
Speaker 8: I think that, I think that right now is just
Speaker 8: more than ever you have to start thinking about that
Speaker 8: being a possibility. I know a lot of Cowboys fans
Speaker 8: probably don't want to think about that. I mean, if
Speaker 8: you're a Cowboys fan, you're used to whoever is your
Speaker 8: franchise quarterback. They don't wear anybody else's jersey, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 8: they don't go anywhere else.
Speaker 7: When was the last time a quarterback left the Cowboys
Speaker 7: like it's still still in good standing. I guess as
Speaker 7: far as his career, I don't think there's a like
Speaker 7: a good one. I don't think there's been one. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: was that fist pump? Like a yes fist pump or
Speaker 7: like a darn fist place Listen.
Speaker 11: Like you mentioned, I foresaw that he was going to
Speaker 11: have to play in his fifth year, and it's still
Speaker 11: up in the air. But I like the fact that
Speaker 11: they're making him seemingly leaning towards him playing on his
Speaker 11: last year of his contract. I like it because all
Speaker 11: the respect in the world to Dak Prescott, great human being.
Speaker 11: He's been a good player for the Dallas Cowboys. But ultimately,
Speaker 11: your goal and your mission every year for every single organization,
Speaker 11: all thirty two teams, is to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 5: That's your over archie go.
Speaker 11: Now, everything else underneath that umbrella is pretty much like
Speaker 11: pats on the back or progress. It's either pat on
Speaker 11: the back, Hey, good job got to the first round
Speaker 11: or guess what, you know, we got further than we
Speaker 11: got the year before, so we're heading in the right direction, right.
Speaker 11: Those are really the two boxes that get checked every
Speaker 11: single year. But if your ultimate goal is to win
Speaker 11: a super Bowl, and you're serious about winning a super Bowl,
Speaker 11: then you have to take the regular season work kind
Speaker 11: of out of the picture.
Speaker 5: You really have to separate.
Speaker 11: Your emotional your emotional ties to an individual and the
Speaker 11: success that they've had during the regular season, and you
Speaker 11: have to look and say, during the postseason, what have
Speaker 11: we done?
Speaker 5: And when you look at.
Speaker 11: Tony Romo's career here, which you moved on from him,
Speaker 11: he was two and FoEI in the playoffs, correct Dak
Speaker 11: Prescott's two and five as.
Speaker 5: It currently stands, there's not much difference there.
Speaker 8: Well, they're one difference though, I will say with Romo
Speaker 8: and Dak is that Tony Romo could still be the
Speaker 8: starting quarterback of this franchise for all we know if
Speaker 8: his if his back could hold up good, we don't
Speaker 8: know that, he wouldn't still be here right now. So
Speaker 8: his his health kind of forced the hands. So the
Speaker 8: idea that well, they're just not gonna put up with this,
Speaker 8: We're going to move the next one.
Speaker 6: We haven't really seen that from them.
Speaker 11: I understand that, and I totally agree with you. His
Speaker 11: tenure here got cut short because of the succession of
Speaker 11: Dak Prescott based upon an unfortunate situation with with Tony Romo.
Speaker 11: The thing is, the record at that point in time
Speaker 11: remained the same. He was two and four in the playoffs.
Speaker 11: Right now, Dak Prescott's two and five. So as an organization,
Speaker 11: regardless of how outstanding of a citizen he is, how
Speaker 11: how how much of a great model he is for
Speaker 11: the organization and great spokesperson, great human being, great regular
Speaker 11: season demon right killing it runner up to MVP? Does
Speaker 11: that get jewelry on your finger? And has it gotten
Speaker 11: jewelry on your finger? And if that is the ultimate goal,
Speaker 11: then why would you not put somebody's back up against
Speaker 11: the wall. Say, before I reward you, I have to
Speaker 11: actually reward you for performance.
Speaker 3: You're leading the witness a little bit. Obviously, no, there
Speaker 3: are no rings on his finger. But I also think
Speaker 3: that was Dax Prescott's job to take. I mean, if
Speaker 3: it was what the Cowboys intended, if it was Paxton
Speaker 3: Lynch on this roster, I think Tony Romo would still
Speaker 3: probably be the quarterback in some capacity. I don't think
Speaker 3: he overtakes Tony Romo in that position. But because you
Speaker 3: had Dak Prescott on the roster. He took that job understood,
Speaker 3: he really did. As painful as that for me to say,
Speaker 3: as much as I left Tony Romo a little bit
Speaker 3: more context if I could on yeah, on the on
Speaker 3: the day last week and his availability. So first off,
Speaker 3: the event was for the Children's Cancer Ball on gala
Speaker 3: Dak Prescott and Troy Yeigman or co chairman's of the
Speaker 3: of the Cancer Fund. And there was fifty to seventy
Speaker 3: five kids that walked and over one hundred that were
Speaker 3: able to come back and you know, participate in the
Speaker 3: festivities after participating in previous years. So a really good
Speaker 3: cause overall. I wanted to be sure and hit that.
Speaker 6: Hey Romo ended up being there too.
Speaker 7: Roma was there too, which was very fascinating seeing all
Speaker 7: three of them together like that. It is very fascinating,
Speaker 7: especially given the context of all of them as well.
Speaker 7: But a couple of more things, uh, Dak Prescott has
Speaker 7: had a meeting with Jerry Jones in recent weeks. He
Speaker 7: was able to tell us and just he said that
Speaker 7: there's not any gray area. So at least whatever the
Speaker 7: understanding is, Dak Prescott and Jerry Jones are on the
Speaker 7: same page as far as where this contract, where these
Speaker 7: contract negotiations stand, he said, I talked to Jerry, so
Speaker 7: I understand where we are. Obviously Jerry's mentioned the same,
Speaker 7: so there's not any gray area in that sense. We
Speaker 7: had a great conversation that put us aligned and where
Speaker 7: we are in this moment. And he made he said,
Speaker 7: in the moment now, focusing on now. That was kind
Speaker 7: of the theme around his availability in my eyes, and
Speaker 7: he's maintained that he has kept that same ridic rhetoric
Speaker 7: throughout his career. He said, you could go back to
Speaker 7: earlier in my career when there wasn't a contract in play.
Speaker 7: I'm a guy who focuses on the now, what I
Speaker 7: can do in this moment. Yes, yes, there's something you
Speaker 7: can pull from that, but also I think it's it's
Speaker 7: a little bit more ambiguous when you look at it
Speaker 7: with the context, given the fact that he's entering a
Speaker 7: final year of his deal, and also the fact that
Speaker 7: you go back and you look at his previous availability,
Speaker 7: which was for the same cause a couple of months ago.
Speaker 7: I believe it was early March, right before a free
Speaker 7: agency started there at North Park. I think it was
Speaker 7: around early March, and he was like, I'm confident we're
Speaker 7: gonna get a deal done.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 7: There's that's that's where that's where we stand. You know,
Speaker 7: I'm confident it's gonna happen and the team needs it,
Speaker 7: so you know we're gonna get it done. To now,
Speaker 7: Hey man, I'm just living in the now. You know,
Speaker 7: when when talks get here, they'll get here, you know.
Speaker 7: And so it's like it's it's a little bit more
Speaker 7: more ambiguous and you kind of read between the lines
Speaker 7: in that sense, and you wonder where and when this
Speaker 7: conversation might happen. And then yeah, the final quote that
Speaker 7: he gave on the last question, I'm not gonna say
Speaker 7: I fear being here or not right now.
Speaker 2: It's with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 7: After the season, we'll see where we're at and if
Speaker 7: the future holds that, if not, we'll go from there.
Speaker 7: So yeah, it's it's fast standing he is standing on
Speaker 7: business and another another thing, I want to be sure
Speaker 7: and hit with CD apparently, you know, preparing to hold
Speaker 7: out for a new contract. He was also asked, hey,
Speaker 7: will you still be able to get working with CD
Speaker 7: if that holdout takes you into training camp, et cetera.
Speaker 7: He said, we'll get some work in. I've been in
Speaker 7: communication with CD. Maybe a deal gets done, and if
Speaker 7: it doesn't, I guarantee that we'll still find a lot
Speaker 7: of time to get the work that we feel comfortable.
Speaker 7: One note on both of these topics with Dak Prescott
Speaker 7: and CD Lamb is that the Reliant Home run Derby
Speaker 7: is next Wednesday, and both of them are expected to compete,
Speaker 7: So there's could be a lot of headlines that come
Speaker 7: out of next week.
Speaker 2: For sure, the.
Speaker 4: Home runs will not be the headline.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that, no, no, not quite.
Speaker 3: I also kind of wanted to touch on he made
Speaker 3: a few comments regarding the Cowboys offseason moves or lack thereof.
Speaker 2: Did you kind of want to touch on that a
Speaker 2: little bit?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he had.
Speaker 7: I didn't really put it on this in this quote
Speaker 7: box that I have here, but that was another thing
Speaker 7: that he had talked with with Jerry about a couple
Speaker 7: of weeks ago, and that was kind of playing into
Speaker 7: there's not any gray area, so he understands where the
Speaker 7: organization is at. He understands where things are at. He said,
Speaker 7: He's focused on the guys in the locker room and
Speaker 7: what he can do to pour into them over the
Speaker 7: course of the off season. So I mean that was
Speaker 7: that was you know, a typical deck answer and good sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: So another topic that we have h Stephen Jones is
Speaker 3: on the fan discussing offensive line. He discussed Trey Lance
Speaker 3: a little bit, another thing that you touched on last
Speaker 3: week at length. But I kind of wanted to get
Speaker 3: your thoughts on this now that he actually said it
Speaker 3: onto the record. You know, this is out there for
Speaker 3: the world. With Mike Zimmer in the building. Obviously, the
Speaker 3: defensive scheme is going to change a little bit, and
Speaker 3: he said, we're going to be relying on a three
Speaker 3: linebacker system. Bigger in the middle and uh less of
Speaker 3: the uh uh yeah, just bigger in the middle basically.
Speaker 8: So he said more, he said, more three linebacker as
Speaker 8: opposed to two linebacker and three safety.
Speaker 5: That's yeah, true, true, as pretty much a base defense.
Speaker 11: Yeah, but how four down, four down, three linebackers.
Speaker 8: Historically, if in the last two or three years, I'm
Speaker 8: not talking NFL has changed the entire.
Speaker 5: League, NFL has changed personnel.
Speaker 11: So if you are going to be in a more
Speaker 11: traditional type setting where you have four down, three linebackers,
Speaker 11: you better have some you better have some dbs, and
Speaker 11: you better have some great covering outside linebackers. Because the
Speaker 11: game of football has changed. It's eleven personnel. It is
Speaker 11: eleven personnel. And for those that don't know what eleven
Speaker 11: personnel is. One tight end, one running back, three receivers.
Speaker 11: That is primarily what most teams line up in, whether
Speaker 11: it's run or pass. Now, if it's a second and short,
Speaker 11: third and short, yeah, you're gonna come out in a
Speaker 11: twenty one or twenty two, whatever it might be personnel
Speaker 11: to change up. You know the amount of tight ends
Speaker 11: and running backs that you have in the backfield. But
Speaker 11: I can't foresee this team turning into a traditional base
Speaker 11: defense in this NFL. And with the lack of picks
Speaker 11: that you have in this year's draft, and the fact
Speaker 11: that most of free agency is gone, So where are
Speaker 11: you going to acquire all these extra assets that are
Speaker 11: going to now feel the voids that you have in
Speaker 11: this new system.
Speaker 5: It was my concern last week.
Speaker 11: It was my concern as soon as they brought Zim
Speaker 11: Roun staff, I was like, I can't see it. I
Speaker 11: don't know how they get there with the current roster
Speaker 11: that he's walking into.
Speaker 7: So let's frum the tally. What would you need to
Speaker 7: be able to put together a base defense right now?
Speaker 7: Based on what this team needs, probably two defensive tackles,
Speaker 7: at least one more linebacker another end.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say two.
Speaker 11: You need at least two more linebackers because you would
Speaker 11: love over Showing to come back and be healthy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fair. You got pretty healthy.
Speaker 5: I mean, but we had, you know, we have.
Speaker 11: Unfortunately, what happened to Jabrill Cox kind of gave you
Speaker 11: a peek into the window of what could happen when
Speaker 11: Oversheon gets back. You just have to be obviously I'm
Speaker 11: not putting that on him, but that just you have
Speaker 11: to be realistic about that about what he's coming back as,
Speaker 11: because you would you had a really athletic you know,
Speaker 11: Cox and linebacker. He was a beast fast, and then
Speaker 11: he got hurt and then he came back and he
Speaker 11: just wasn't that right, whether it was confidence, whether it's ability.
Speaker 11: So you're hoping that that's not the story for overshone.
Speaker 11: So I would like to come into the season without
Speaker 11: the expectation that Overshow is going to be what he
Speaker 11: was prior to injury, and plan for his replacement and
Speaker 11: in hope for the best, right and then just have
Speaker 11: that extra depth there. So if I'm not factoring overshown
Speaker 11: into it, now all of a sudden you got Damon
Speaker 11: Clark and you got Kendricks.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a minimum too and then hope for
Speaker 3: the best basically with overshown and you know, let him
Speaker 3: do what he needs to do to kind of get healthy.
Speaker 11: But you talked about the size up front. You're severely undersized,
Speaker 11: like not just a little bit. Yeah, you are severely
Speaker 11: undersized for not only what mister Jones just said, right,
Speaker 11: Stephen Jones just said about going to a traditional four
Speaker 11: to three seemingly or historically what Zimmer has done with
Speaker 11: a three four. Either way, you are severely undersized. And
Speaker 11: how do you rectify that?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 7: M just add more beef, as to add as much
Speaker 7: beef as you possibly can.
Speaker 11: And the draft I think, I think training table is
Speaker 11: going to change the type of foods are serving.
Speaker 4: It's not gonna be training table, it is gonna be
Speaker 4: fatting table.
Speaker 8: I mean, you're gonna be able to fill out the
Speaker 8: roster and get the right body types. The problem is
Speaker 8: that are you going to have quality there because this
Speaker 8: team's gonna I think they're gonna make I don't know,
Speaker 8: two three, four undrafted guys, the guys that possibly make
Speaker 8: this roster just because they're gonna need extra body.
Speaker 6: I can see a linebacker they don't even draft.
Speaker 8: That's a guy that's depth but also special teams that
Speaker 8: makes this roster. I mean it's kind of like last year,
Speaker 8: like you had a pretty good idea with that when
Speaker 8: they signed TJ. Bass after the draft, Like, yeah, as
Speaker 8: he good as maybe a top three pick, top you know,
Speaker 8: first three round pick, probably not, but he had a
Speaker 8: good chance of making the roster because hey, look at
Speaker 8: what they need. You know, that's why he signed with
Speaker 8: the Cowboys because it was gonna be a great opportunity
Speaker 8: to make the roster. I think linebacker you can fill
Speaker 8: out a little bit that way. The defensive tackle, particularly
Speaker 8: the big one technique, that's the one where I'm just like,
Speaker 8: I don't know where you're really finding somebody like this.
Speaker 7: There's not many in the draft either, Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 11: So you're going and obviously you can speak to that
Speaker 11: all day long. You're going into this season heavily relying
Speaker 11: upon rookies. Let's just call it what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 11: young guys in general, young guys in general, rookies, undraft
Speaker 11: second year guys, you're going into this season heavily relying
Speaker 11: upon it in a year in which you did not
Speaker 11: get a lot of productivity out of your draft.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So if you have this big breakout year two for
Speaker 8: Mazzie Smith, are you feeling a lot better?
Speaker 11: I feel a lot better. But I mean, we have
Speaker 11: his work to look at, right, That's all we have.
Speaker 11: You know, we can hope all day long.
Speaker 5: We can wish.
Speaker 11: I had a lot of wish sandwiches growing up, you know,
Speaker 11: I wish my sandwiches were actually has some meat on it.
Speaker 11: But there no a lot of times it was just
Speaker 11: honey and bread, you knows.
Speaker 8: And it's not only that I hate to be I
Speaker 8: hate to be the downer here on all this, but
Speaker 8: name the last player that really didn't give you anything
Speaker 8: year one and just super ascended the next year. Like now,
Speaker 8: there could be like a little bit in year one
Speaker 8: and then they take the next step in your two.
Speaker 8: But I'm talking like, you get almost nothing from and
Speaker 8: then year two you're just like, whoa where did this
Speaker 8: guy come from?
Speaker 5: We're on the podcast, Let's do it.
Speaker 6: I can't think.
Speaker 5: I was at Broadcast boot camp.
Speaker 11: There were offensive linemen there who played against the Dallas
Speaker 11: Cowboys last year. We had conversations on the on the bus,
Speaker 11: you know, lunchtime, and one of the offensive linemen that
Speaker 11: I was with was literally laughing at He was like,
Speaker 11: he didn't even know the name, but I knew he
Speaker 11: was talking about. He was talking about Mazi at the time.
Speaker 11: He was laughing about it. He's like, man, who was
Speaker 11: that little dude they brought in here? He's like, man,
Speaker 11: I was moving him all over the dog on field.
Speaker 11: He was so light in the butt. This is coming
Speaker 11: from somebody who plays.
Speaker 4: Early in the season or late in the season.
Speaker 7: I'm curious because if you say earlier the season, that'll
Speaker 7: worry me more.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's no way he was light early in this later.
Speaker 11: But he was like, but the way in which he
Speaker 11: was talking about it was like, why is he out here?
Speaker 5: And that was disturbing to me.
Speaker 11: Obviously when you're having good conversation, but obviously as a Cowboys.
Speaker 5: Analyst, I'm like, Ooh, that's not good. That's not good.
Speaker 11: So if that's who you're relying upon currently, obviously you're
Speaker 11: hoping that he puts on more way obviously you're coming.
Speaker 11: You're hoping that he comes in with a different mindset,
Speaker 11: has a lot greater impact. We can hope, hope all
Speaker 11: day long. But just going up, that's the reputation that
Speaker 11: he currently has around the NFL, and guys are confident
Speaker 11: going against them.
Speaker 5: So I'm saying you're relying heavily upon him.
Speaker 11: To make a one hundred and eighty degree change in
Speaker 11: size and effectiveness, as well as trying to fill voids
Speaker 11: with other guys who, as we know today, are unproven.
Speaker 6: I'm seriously going through my head right now.
Speaker 8: Don't know if you're looking it up, but like I'm
Speaker 8: going through my head right now the entire not that
Speaker 8: I wasn't listening. I was just no if I'm going
Speaker 8: through like all the draft picks and like I'm thinking
Speaker 8: all the Trayvon Diggs, Micah Parsons, Drawn Blands, all these
Speaker 8: guys showed you a flash in year one. They showed
Speaker 8: you something where you're just like, no, no, no, no, there's
Speaker 8: there's probably there's a little bit more there. I'm not
Speaker 8: saying that you can't all of a sudden just be
Speaker 8: like especially defensive tackle is a position like that where hey,
Speaker 8: you might not see the best of the best of
Speaker 8: that player year one, year two. It takes them some time.
Speaker 8: So this is certainly a possibility here. I'm just going
Speaker 8: off of the Cowboys track record of drafting generally. The
Speaker 8: players that have contributed, you've you've known pretty early on,
Speaker 8: oh yeah, there's something here. We saw flash heck, I
Speaker 8: thought last year a training camp and even before that
Speaker 8: preseason game, you saw some of that from de Marvion overshow,
Speaker 8: And that's what made me think, oh, no, no, no,
Speaker 8: this dude's a rookie, but I can see him being
Speaker 8: part of packages because we saw little flashes here or there.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying he's gonna step in and be something.
Speaker 11: There's something exactly, yeah, And that was what kind of
Speaker 11: disturbed me about the conversation that I had with some
Speaker 11: of these players that were at the same event. It
Speaker 11: was the fact that I didn't even hear the word
Speaker 11: fight or resilience or he got that dog or you know,
Speaker 11: it was not even associated with his effectiveness of play,
Speaker 11: but just like yeah, like I was able to move him,
Speaker 11: but like, yeah, that boy fights, Like there was there
Speaker 11: was none of.
Speaker 2: That just lighten lightening the butt.
Speaker 7: Right now, what I'm doing is going through this photo
Speaker 7: that they posted at that boot camp to try to
Speaker 7: figure out who Isaiah's talking about.
Speaker 3: All right, well, let's take our first break, Chris. When
Speaker 3: we come back, we got to get into the NFL draft.
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Speaker 2: All right, we got to get into the NFL Draft.
Speaker 5: It's this week.
Speaker 4: It's just let's get it.
Speaker 2: What's wrong with that?
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Speaker 3: I was looking at Twitter this week. A really good question.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry X this week refuse really good topic brought
Speaker 3: up by at John Machoda trade up or trade down?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's good. Give him a follow on ask
Speaker 3: that do you expect the Cowboys to pick.
Speaker 2: At twenty four or would you trade up or trade down?
Speaker 7: So I said this on the Draft show yesterday. This
Speaker 7: is this is my feeling as of today, Tuesday, April
Speaker 7: twenty three to ten twenty five am this. This could
Speaker 7: change your quote right now, yeah, in the moment, as
Speaker 7: of now, I think I think if one of three
Speaker 7: guys are on the board at twenty four, I think
Speaker 7: they pick at twenty four. If either of those three
Speaker 7: are off the board, I think they trade back. This
Speaker 7: is just this is just my opinion. Troy Faltanu guard
Speaker 7: slash tackle out of mister standback Washington there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think he'll be there either.
Speaker 7: JC Latham tackles slash guard out of Alabama, third year guy,
Speaker 7: and then Graham Barton tackle guard center out of Duke.
Speaker 7: I personally have a little bit more pessimism than I
Speaker 7: think most when it comes to either of those three
Speaker 7: guys being on the board. I give it like a
Speaker 7: thirty percent chance that at least one of them will
Speaker 7: be on the board. That's kind of what I feel
Speaker 7: right now. If none of those three guys are on
Speaker 7: the board, I don't think they pick at twenty four.
Speaker 7: I think they're para shooting back and getting on the
Speaker 7: phone with Baltimore at thirty or Casey at thirty two.
Speaker 7: You also got San Francisco at thirty one. Also, wouldn't
Speaker 7: be surprised if they trade out of the first round entirely.
Speaker 7: I mean, they need to pick up some extra capital
Speaker 7: that not having that fourth round pick not only does
Speaker 7: that hurt, but they don't pick until the end of
Speaker 7: the fifth So they're going from eighty seven on day
Speaker 7: two in round three to one seventy four on day
Speaker 7: three in round five. That's eighty seven picks in between
Speaker 7: that you're just watching go by. There's a lot of
Speaker 7: really good talent there. For me, I feel like the
Speaker 7: Day three talent obviously it is at the top, but
Speaker 7: I feel like it's really top heavy. I feel like
Speaker 7: once you get into round six, round seven, you're starting
Speaker 7: to reach a little bit more than you would in
Speaker 7: past years.
Speaker 4: In round six.
Speaker 7: In round seven, they need to pick up an early
Speaker 7: Day three pick, and I think the best way to
Speaker 7: do that trade back six, seven, eight, nine, ten spots
Speaker 7: in the first round or go back into the second
Speaker 7: round and get that extra pick.
Speaker 3: Would it hurt to get out of the first round
Speaker 3: for you just oh no, no, no, I'd I'd be
Speaker 3: completely okay with it, especially if you could pick up
Speaker 3: two picks along the way. Yeah, just kind of based
Speaker 3: on trade packages and things of the sort, you could
Speaker 3: get a third and a fifth, you know, if trading
Speaker 3: back into the trading out of the first round. But
Speaker 3: I mean even trading back to thirty two with Kansas City,
Speaker 3: you run the opportunity of getting a third and a fourth.
Speaker 3: So it's I think picking up those extra picks.
Speaker 7: I think that would be huge, especially if you can
Speaker 7: sneak one into the top one hundred so that you
Speaker 7: can still get a top one hundred pick. And I
Speaker 7: feel like they could still get a quality offensive lineman
Speaker 7: there in the early thirties to mid thirties. Maybe not
Speaker 7: the guy that they could get a twenty four, obviously,
Speaker 7: but I think they could still get a guy in
Speaker 7: the early to mid thirties that can contribute immediately on
Speaker 7: the offensive line, or just go ahead and get the
Speaker 7: number one linebacker in the class. So that would I
Speaker 7: think those are the options, and certainly everything that's being
Speaker 7: talked about up there, for sure, John, it was your question.
Speaker 8: So yeah, so I think they're gonna do everything possible
Speaker 8: to trade back, but obviously you need a partner, and
Speaker 8: so that'll be the key thing.
Speaker 6: So at the Athletic we do.
Speaker 8: A couple different mock drafts throughout this time of the year,
Speaker 8: and we just did our final one yesterday, and so
Speaker 8: every writer picks for their team. And my whole goal
Speaker 8: was to get out of twenty four, just to see
Speaker 8: what else would be there if you move back.
Speaker 6: And I tried.
Speaker 8: So hard to get a trade back with so many
Speaker 8: different teams, and the only one I could get was
Speaker 8: with Kansas City, and all I got was their third
Speaker 8: for it, and I did it. And I will tell
Speaker 8: you this right now, if you get all the way back.
Speaker 6: To thirty two.
Speaker 8: Man, you're gonna get nervous about those offensive linemen. And
Speaker 8: here's the thing. If you go back thirty two plus
Speaker 8: a little bit more, and let's say you get out
Speaker 8: of the first round, then your first pick and your
Speaker 8: your draft could be like Junior Colson or Jonathan Brooks.
Speaker 6: Like, are you fine with that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you would have to be.
Speaker 7: I think if you're going back to the mid second round,
Speaker 7: I think the hope would be that Edrin Cooper or
Speaker 7: Peyton Wilson is one of those top two linebackers. I
Speaker 7: this kind of based on hearsay. I think there's a
Speaker 7: little bit more preference with Cooper just because there's not
Speaker 7: as many medical concerns. But I think you could still
Speaker 7: get back in those mid thirties and then you try
Speaker 7: to address offensive line later in day two, which you're
Speaker 7: running that risk. But there's some good tackles there in
Speaker 7: the second round and third round that you can move
Speaker 7: around with and you can be flexible with. But it
Speaker 7: sounds like Kansas City is probably the most likely partner
Speaker 7: because they need a receiver, and I think there could
Speaker 7: be a drop of a couple of receivers just based
Speaker 7: on other positions being valued a little bit higher here
Speaker 7: in the first round on Thursday night, And if there's
Speaker 7: names like Brian Thomas Junior and Xavier Worthy and ad
Speaker 7: A Ni Mitchell, Lad McConkie still available there at twenty four,
Speaker 7: then it would not surprise me if Buffalo or Kansas
Speaker 7: City get on the phone with the Cowboys to try
Speaker 7: to go ahead and move up to twenty four take
Speaker 7: that receiver before the other one does it. Because both
Speaker 7: of those teams are receiver needy right now, you would
Speaker 7: have to assume both of them are taking one.
Speaker 8: Not to give away too much because the mock draft
Speaker 8: comes out tomorrow morning.
Speaker 6: But so I did that thinking the.
Speaker 4: Same thing, and they didn't take a receiver.
Speaker 8: Kingsley Sue Matteah and I was like yes, And I
Speaker 8: was like, Okay, this is not good.
Speaker 6: This is not good. Like I'm already regretting this, like
Speaker 6: moving all the way back.
Speaker 8: Yeah, because I'm fine with the trade back. But I
Speaker 8: got to get an offensive lineman out of it. That
Speaker 8: just me personally, because this team's drafted very well offensive lineman.
Speaker 8: They and honestly, when I say that, it could even
Speaker 8: be a guard, like it needs to be an offensive lineman.
Speaker 8: For me personally, I don't know if you guys feel differently,
Speaker 8: but I was saying that last year during the season
Speaker 8: that I felt strongly at their first round pick would be.
Speaker 6: An offensive lineman.
Speaker 8: And that's before you know they lost obviously Tyron Smith
Speaker 8: and Tyler be Ottish.
Speaker 6: So uh yeah.
Speaker 8: It's tough though, because you don't want to move back
Speaker 8: too far and then all of a sudden, you know
Speaker 8: you're kind of wiped out of this clump of players.
Speaker 8: And I think that's I bring that up because I
Speaker 8: think that's the way that they'll look at it too,
Speaker 8: is that there will have to be a group of
Speaker 8: players where they're like, all right, we got these five
Speaker 8: or six guys, we can move back five or six
Speaker 8: spots because we know we'll get.
Speaker 6: One of these guys.
Speaker 8: Whereas for me, I was just like, let me just
Speaker 8: move back because it's an exercise. I just want people
Speaker 8: to see what could potentially be there if you move
Speaker 8: all the way back to thirty two and it gets
Speaker 8: kind of thin, man, Yeah, it gets kind of thin
Speaker 8: back there.
Speaker 3: Isaiah, stand trade forward, trade back? Stand Pat, what do
Speaker 3: you think stand back?
Speaker 11: I think I'm on the mindset of Nick I think
Speaker 11: that they have a handful of guys that they would grab,
Speaker 11: but if they're not there as much as they will
Speaker 11: want to pick at twenty four, I think you have
Speaker 11: to look at your roster. Then you have to look
Speaker 11: at your salary cap, and you have to look in
Speaker 11: and say, how many players can we get for the
Speaker 11: least amount of money. That's really what this decision is
Speaker 11: coming down to. Either we get a really good, really
Speaker 11: good impact player who's just sitting there that we really want,
Speaker 11: or dang it.
Speaker 5: He's gone. They're gone.
Speaker 11: We got to add value now because you know, I
Speaker 11: got twenty bucks and I got five kids defeet you
Speaker 11: know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Like, that's the situation they're in.
Speaker 11: They have a little bit of money, and they got
Speaker 11: to try to get as much as they can for
Speaker 11: that amount of money. So sometimes you got to go discount,
Speaker 11: double check, and you got to go find you some
Speaker 11: value with more picks. And even though that's not the
Speaker 11: most popular thing, that's the responsible thing. And I think
Speaker 11: that as hard as it is for the front office
Speaker 11: right now, for the Cowboys, I think they're doing the
Speaker 11: responsible thing just holistically as an organization, and it's not
Speaker 11: fun for fans. And it's not cool, and it doesn't
Speaker 11: make headlines, and it doesn't add it doesn't equal up
Speaker 11: to the going all in and all that jazz stuff
Speaker 11: that everybody expected. But as they're doing the responsible thing
Speaker 11: by waiting guys out, making guys prove it, holding on
Speaker 11: to as much money as they can, trying to get
Speaker 11: their books back in order, they're not just continuingly swiping
Speaker 11: their credit card.
Speaker 6: What's the move there on twenty dollars feet five kids?
Speaker 6: What would you do?
Speaker 5: Listen here?
Speaker 11: It's not none of our sponsorsa up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you've stressed that, all right.
Speaker 3: I got another post from x year from at Nick
Speaker 3: Harris DC, A really good person to follow, who is
Speaker 3: one player, regardless of round, Gray, that you're most confident
Speaker 3: will be in a Cowboys uniform by the end of
Speaker 3: the week.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there was an overwhelming consensus, and I honestly I
Speaker 7: was thinking about putting a little disclaimer out on the
Speaker 7: tweet before I sent it out. You can't say Jonathan Brooks,
Speaker 7: but I didn't, and everyone just said Jonathan Brooks. So
Speaker 7: Jonathan Brooks out of Texas a running back. I mean,
Speaker 7: every mock you look at has him pinned to the
Speaker 7: Cowboys at fifty six running back from Texas As I said,
Speaker 7: he's from Howlettsville, originally down in central Texas. He's a
Speaker 7: top five rusher all time in Texas high school football history.
Speaker 7: Almost want to stay championship at AT and T Stadium back
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty, but went to the University of Texas,
Speaker 7: sat behind Roshawn Johnson and b John Robinson for two
Speaker 7: years and then got his opportunity to start last year.
Speaker 7: Man super productive almost six yards per carry, but he
Speaker 7: tours ACL late in the season against TCU. It was
Speaker 7: late November. Had his ACL surgery performed by doctor Dan Cooper,
Speaker 7: who is the Cowboys team physician. So the Cowboys have
Speaker 7: more medical intel on him than arguably any other team.
Speaker 7: With that being said, it's probably kind of caught up
Speaker 7: by now because when he goes to the Combine, when
Speaker 7: he goes on these thirty visits, they can evaluate him
Speaker 7: to the very needle of where that surgery kind of
Speaker 7: was performed. So a lot of other teams have that
Speaker 7: same information, but the Cowboys they just kind of had
Speaker 7: a leg up and doing the homework on him. They
Speaker 7: met with him at the Combine. I believe and know
Speaker 7: for sure. They brought him in for a thirty visit,
Speaker 7: so they have definitely done their homework on him. I
Speaker 7: think the only concern that you run there is will
Speaker 7: he be there at fifty six. There has only been
Speaker 7: one draft in the modern draft era that has seen
Speaker 7: the first running back come off the board after pick
Speaker 7: fifty six, So you would have to assume that that
Speaker 7: would need to happen again this time around, because it's
Speaker 7: between Jonathan Brooks and Trey Benson out of Florida State.
Speaker 7: To my right, Johma showed us Florida State seminals. One
Speaker 7: of those two guys will most likely be the first
Speaker 7: running back off the board. And if it's Brooks, does
Speaker 7: he get to fifty six? You know, there's there are
Speaker 7: other teams that have brought him in for thirty visits.
Speaker 7: The Panthers they pick at thirty three, and at thirty
Speaker 7: nine they brought him in for a thirty visit.
Speaker 4: I believe the Packers as well. You could also look at.
Speaker 7: The Eagles being a sneaky contender there for Jonathan Brooks's
Speaker 7: there's some there are some teams in front that you
Speaker 7: would kind of have to sweat out not picking Brooks
Speaker 7: but I think that's the safest pick right now. It
Speaker 7: was like going into the draft last year, Demarvin Overshown
Speaker 7: was It was kind of the one that everyone was
Speaker 7: looking around like, Okay, this one just feels right right,
Speaker 7: and he ended up happening.
Speaker 4: There in the third round.
Speaker 7: It feels a little bit of the same, But I
Speaker 7: don't think there was as many concerns with Overshown last
Speaker 7: year about him getting picked before whatever that pick was
Speaker 7: last year.
Speaker 4: I think there's a little bit more with Brooks.
Speaker 5: You hear something I.
Speaker 3: Do, Sorry, okay or nuts just asking mainly for the
Speaker 3: fan here. Do you think picking up Royce Freeman changes
Speaker 3: your strategy at all at drafting a running back at two?
Speaker 2: No, I don't believe.
Speaker 7: So I think you still need to go get an
Speaker 7: RB one. Think like, think about the signing of Ronald
Speaker 7: Jones last year. Granted, take it a little bit more
Speaker 7: seriously because Ronald Jones had the cases had the issue
Speaker 7: at training camp last year where he was suspended for
Speaker 7: the first two games. I feel like he never was
Speaker 7: able to get a fair shot as a result of that,
Speaker 7: and he was dropped as soon as that two game
Speaker 7: suspension was up.
Speaker 4: So I think I think.
Speaker 7: Ronald Jones with a little bit more health and as
Speaker 7: of now a little bit better standing with the league.
Speaker 7: But I think it's just training camp competition and to
Speaker 7: bring a veteran in the room. I mean, that'll help
Speaker 7: whether there's a rookie in there or not.
Speaker 11: Isaiah, I agree, I agree. It doesn't change my approach.
Speaker 11: It doesn't change my approach. You have to get a
Speaker 11: running back.
Speaker 7: Do you need to because there's something that say you
Speaker 7: need to running backs in this draft? Do you need
Speaker 7: to know you need one running back? I think, I think,
Speaker 7: I agree, yeah.
Speaker 11: But you need a But you need a starter, and
Speaker 11: that's what that's what causes you. That's what causes me
Speaker 11: concern because you need a starter at running back, but
Speaker 11: you need to start two starters at offensive line, and
Speaker 11: you need a starter at defensive line. I'm sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 11: that's four four positions, four starters, four starters.
Speaker 8: You can draft a running back and find one and
Speaker 8: undrafted rookie free agency.
Speaker 6: But if that's the if that's the happen, then.
Speaker 11: But I'm saying, but you need starters, you need a
Speaker 11: you need a star running back, you need two star
Speaker 11: officeive lineman.
Speaker 5: You can get away with one. Yeah, I'll get away
Speaker 5: argue one. So you can get away with one. At
Speaker 5: the very least, you need a star.
Speaker 11: You need a big boy office a lineman, and you
Speaker 11: need a big dog on the defensive line. Oh and
Speaker 11: you need a big boy linebacker. You need a lot
Speaker 11: of big boys in terms of like people to come
Speaker 11: in and play now, not to supplement what you already have.
Speaker 11: You need them to come in and be the guy.
Speaker 11: And that's what concerns me about this year's draft. You
Speaker 11: need the guy at running back, the guy at office
Speaker 11: of line, the guy at defensive line, the guy at linebacker.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's realistic.
Speaker 7: I think you need the guy at linebacker. You see
Speaker 7: the guy at linebacker.
Speaker 5: Okay, you might I agree with you.
Speaker 4: You might need the guy run back, defensive tackle.
Speaker 7: I don't necessarily with linebacker, but yeah, I mean still,
Speaker 7: there's there's too many there's too many holes. You need
Speaker 7: a guy on the offensive line as well. So it's like,
Speaker 7: because as of now, as of today's stance, the offensive
Speaker 7: line would be left tackle Tyler Smith, left guard TJ. Bass,
Speaker 7: center brock Hoffman, right guard Zach Martin, right tackle Terrence Steele.
Speaker 4: You need some competition in that interior.
Speaker 7: Whether that's putting Tyler Smith back inside, or it's uh
Speaker 7: bringing in a guy like Graham Barton or Cedric Vampur
Speaker 7: and Granger out of Georgia to be able to have
Speaker 7: a little bit more competition in that interior. But I
Speaker 7: think one thing that could also, man, this would this
Speaker 7: would be a fun topic to talk about after the
Speaker 7: fact if the Cowboys take one of those receivers at
Speaker 7: twenty four that are slipping and I I would hate
Speaker 7: that personally. I just think that's that's a that's a
Speaker 7: bad strategy because you could you could sell that pick
Speaker 7: for a little bit more than probably what it's worth
Speaker 7: and move back to that Kansas City spot and pick.
Speaker 5: Up an extra pick. You take it back right now.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you what my stance is.
Speaker 7: I'm saying it would be an interesting thing to talk
Speaker 7: about after the fact if they do take a Brian
Speaker 7: Thomas junior, because yes, this is an instant playmaker, He's
Speaker 7: going to be able to, you know, sit right next
Speaker 7: to CD. But I could also be like, hey, CD,
Speaker 7: we got this other guy that can make plays too.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's it's one of those senses. There would be a
Speaker 3: lot of conversations, be able to get the ball to
Speaker 3: him in time exactly.
Speaker 4: That's the question. I'm not for it.
Speaker 2: I'm not for it. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 5: They're still dude by the name of Cooks here there is, but.
Speaker 7: He's only got one more year left on his deal.
Speaker 7: You know, you would have to think you have to
Speaker 7: start planning for the future outside of him. I think
Speaker 7: you need to draft a receiver on day three. But
Speaker 7: what if they're like, hey, this guy's here at twenty four,
Speaker 7: we have him, let's say fifteen on our board. Let's
Speaker 7: let's not win a dress it. Let's take the guy.
Speaker 7: And so they take the guy at twenty four, and
Speaker 7: then they don't they wait till day two to address
Speaker 7: Oh my goodness, I would I would be very upset.
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Speaker 5: Let go.
Speaker 2: Uh Dallas Cowboys dot com.
Speaker 3: I know you have a uh Nick Harris's Top one
Speaker 3: hundred preview coming this week. Do you want to touch
Speaker 3: on that a little bit? Tease it for uh Dallas
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Speaker 5: Baby.
Speaker 7: Shout out to ky me and him put on a
Speaker 7: lot of legwork on that. On that thing, man, look.
Speaker 5: Now, why there's no Washington player on a cover? Hate
Speaker 5: it man? They put an Organ guy right in the middle.
Speaker 7: Whenever we were thinking about like who we should put
Speaker 7: on the cover, we were like, you know what we
Speaker 7: should not do. We should not put a wash that
Speaker 7: sounds we can piss off.
Speaker 11: Washington guy is definitely going to going to get drafted
Speaker 11: before Organ guy.
Speaker 5: Maybe two guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's that's valid.
Speaker 7: But uh, anyway, as far as Dallas Cowboys dot Com, Uh,
Speaker 7: we'll be putting out a lot of draft content this
Speaker 7: week for me personally, putting out a top one hundred
Speaker 7: list as far as and position rankings leading up into
Speaker 7: the draft. Yeah, just kind of preview that as of
Speaker 7: right now, and I think this will probably stand. I
Speaker 7: have nineteen first round grades and uh, I'll be able
Speaker 7: to touch on those a little bit. I think there
Speaker 7: might be a couple of surprises depending on who you
Speaker 7: ask as far as who's in the second round grades.
Speaker 7: A couple of guys that I'm higher on than others.
Speaker 7: Andrew Phillips Kentucky corner. I have him as of right
Speaker 7: now thirty four on my stack. I think he's a
Speaker 7: guy that's an early second round type talent. Haven't really
Speaker 7: heard a whole lot about him as far as going
Speaker 7: in the second round. Another corner is Kyrie Jackson out
Speaker 7: of Oregon, a press guy who I think is big
Speaker 7: time and has crazy length that I think would work
Speaker 7: in a Mike Zimmer system, although I think he could
Speaker 7: be picked earlier than some imagine really good corner draft man.
Speaker 7: It was really tough to kind of stack these corners
Speaker 7: up because there are so many of all the positions.
Speaker 7: I had more corners in the top one hundred than
Speaker 7: any other position. So if you're looking for day three
Speaker 7: value to go ahead and go grab a corner, I
Speaker 7: think there might be some guys there. If you're thinking
Speaker 7: from a Cowboys perspective, if you feel like they need
Speaker 7: to go get a corner on day three, then maybe
Speaker 7: that's maybe that's the Maybe that's the play there. Corner
Speaker 7: a wide receiver you have to draft one and you
Speaker 7: can only draft one. Which which one are you going?
Speaker 5: Corner?
Speaker 6: For sure?
Speaker 2: Corner corner?
Speaker 3: I just think that the depth there is it's underrated
Speaker 3: to have depth at corner, and I think wide receiver
Speaker 3: we've kind of made do with.
Speaker 5: Or not having guilt round give me like a.
Speaker 2: Fifth or after.
Speaker 7: More so six to seventh, probably a corner, Probably a corner. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I think there's a case to be made for both
Speaker 7: because outside of Ceedee Lamb and Brandon Cooks this next year,
Speaker 7: you have a lot of unknown behind those two. Granted, yes,
Speaker 7: Jalen Tolbert stepped up and did what he was asked
Speaker 7: to do last year, and there's probably if he stays
Speaker 7: on the same line in trajectory, there's probably another step
Speaker 7: that he can take. And man, they are relying on
Speaker 7: him to be able to take that next step and
Speaker 7: be the solidified wide receiver three. Is he ready for
Speaker 7: that type of role?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 7: Then you also have Turp, who I've heard is ready
Speaker 7: to be lined up for a big offensive opportunity next
Speaker 7: season as well, even bigger than what he had last season.
Speaker 7: You also have Jalen Brooks, who was wide receiver five
Speaker 7: on the roster last year and still has an opportunity
Speaker 7: to step up and be that again this year.
Speaker 5: Greatest camp out of anybody last year.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he did have an awesome camp, Yeah
Speaker 7: he did.
Speaker 2: Him and Hunter Luk.
Speaker 7: Honestly, Lipy was awful, like the first three weeks of
Speaker 7: camp and then that Oakland or Vegas preseason game, he
Speaker 7: just exploded. But I think there is a case to
Speaker 7: be made for receiver. But yeah, you look at corner,
Speaker 7: you look at the depth there, you would have to
Speaker 7: assume you lose to Von Gilmore. He hasn't signed with
Speaker 7: anybody yet, but you would have to assume you lose him.
Speaker 7: If one of those three guys gets hurt, Digs Bland Lewis,
Speaker 7: then you're you're in a real pickle.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm probably with you guys on corner.
Speaker 7: And the depth is so good at corner, I think
Speaker 7: you can get a guy on day three that can
Speaker 7: be a reliable depth option, more reliable than Naseean Wright
Speaker 7: was all right, we're gonna have to.
Speaker 8: I was gonna say real quick, the whole corner thing, like,
Speaker 8: there's gonna be a good corners available at twenty four.
Speaker 8: The one thing I will say about that is as
Speaker 8: great as it would be to put three stud corners
Speaker 8: all together, can you pay three stud corners?
Speaker 5: You know what?
Speaker 8: I'm saying, can you put that much money you already
Speaker 8: know you already got the money and Digs, you already
Speaker 8: know that you're gonna pay dround Bland, Like, can you
Speaker 8: really afford to have a first round pickt That's the
Speaker 8: only reason why I don't see that being up.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it won't be a first round for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I don't think it'll be early pick at all. I
Speaker 7: think it's more so you get a guy on Day
Speaker 7: three and hope he can just be a reliable depth
Speaker 7: option for you, because man, I think had they had
Speaker 7: reliable depth last season to be able to tell Stefunk Gilmore, hey,
Speaker 7: you can rest this game against the Packers.
Speaker 4: We have a guy that we trust to be able
Speaker 4: to lock.
Speaker 7: It down and be able to keep true to ourselves schematically,
Speaker 7: then I think there may have been a little bit
Speaker 7: a different result there. I'm not saying they win that
Speaker 7: game because there were so many problems with that game,
Speaker 7: but I think there would have been a little bit
Speaker 7: of a difference there.
Speaker 2: I think a difference could have been made.
Speaker 7: But you see how much that the lack of depth
Speaker 7: hurt at times last season, and even when Diggs was down,
Speaker 7: I mean there was a lot of concern early on, like, hey,
Speaker 7: can Bland step up and do this? You're just fortunate
Speaker 7: that you had a first team All Pro waiting behind,
Speaker 7: So yeah.
Speaker 3: For sure, and if, especially if we don't bring Gilmour back,
Speaker 3: I think that would it would just make sense to
Speaker 3: have depth there. Overall, any other position groups you kind
Speaker 3: of are looking at, as far as the top one
Speaker 3: hundred goes.
Speaker 7: I think offensive line if you're looking at if you're
Speaker 7: looking at the Cowboys to take a tackle, I think
Speaker 7: if they wait until round three, it might be too late.
Speaker 4: And that's that's where it gets a little dicey.
Speaker 7: You got Blake Fisher out of Notre Dame, Roger Rosengarden
Speaker 7: out of Washington, who I really love. I think he's awesome,
Speaker 7: and I think he could go anywhere from late first
Speaker 7: round to late third round. There's a huge range on
Speaker 7: how teams view him. But if either of those guys
Speaker 7: are available there at eighty seven, you haven't taken that tackle.
Speaker 7: I think either of those options could be solid, But
Speaker 7: after that there is a huge drop off. So getting
Speaker 7: that offensive tackle on Day three, especially if you don't
Speaker 7: have a fourth round pick, my goodness, that would be
Speaker 7: extremely tough, and I think we could go into Day
Speaker 7: three comfortably saying, Okay, Tyler Smith is starting at left
Speaker 7: tackle this season, so that's one thing to keep an
Speaker 7: eye on. Also, you know, taking a guard early on,
Speaker 7: could that possibly, you know, be more realistic than we think.
Speaker 7: You know, that's something to kind of think about as well.
Speaker 7: Do they view some of these tackles as guards. That'll
Speaker 7: be immediate questions that you know we would have when
Speaker 7: they take a lot of versatile guys in this draft.
Speaker 7: But yeah, there's gonna be a lot. There's gonna be
Speaker 7: a lot. Man, I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: Final question for you guys.
Speaker 3: I don't want to get into like the actual pick necessarily,
Speaker 3: but first pick Cowboys make in the NFL Draft, what
Speaker 3: position will it be?
Speaker 5: Off the line?
Speaker 2: Offensive line?
Speaker 5: Line?
Speaker 3: Just line, no center, guard, specific off of the line,
Speaker 3: offensive line, easy.
Speaker 6: Boom, I'm gonna say left tackle.
Speaker 7: Oh specific, Yeah, I'll I'll go I'll go safe pick
Speaker 7: here and just say offensive line too. Yeah, Because I
Speaker 7: mean those three guys that I mentioned earlier, you look
Speaker 7: at Troy FALTONO, JC Latham, Graham Barton, and my eyes,
Speaker 7: those are all interior guys. You could put jac Latham
Speaker 7: at left tackle. I think I think that you would
Speaker 7: have the most flexibility with him. And I'm curious with
Speaker 7: what you think about Troy Faltono. Do you think he
Speaker 7: could be a left tackle at the next level. I
Speaker 7: think he's I like him inside as well. I think
Speaker 7: he has the mobility in athleticism to try him out
Speaker 7: at left tackle.
Speaker 4: He is a dog.
Speaker 7: But I think if you don't get any of those
Speaker 7: three guys and you're trading back, then you're probably looking
Speaker 7: at a Jordan Morgan out of Arizona, who I also like,
Speaker 7: is a guard.
Speaker 4: You're also looking.
Speaker 7: At potentially, Uh gosh, I'm trying to think a guy
Speaker 7: Tyler Guyton.
Speaker 4: I mean, that would be a tackle option.
Speaker 7: But I'm starting to think more and more that there
Speaker 7: might be a guard that is the first pick, and
Speaker 7: Tyler Smith is just a.
Speaker 6: Little It's funny.
Speaker 8: It's funny, you said, because if you go back three
Speaker 8: hundred and sixty five days, there was nobody talking about
Speaker 8: Matthew bergeron and you see that those video from that
Speaker 8: draft room come out. Now it came down to Berger
Speaker 8: around and Mazzie Smith and how close it was. And
Speaker 8: I just thought of it when I was reading Dan
Speaker 8: Bruger's Draft Guy because he compared Jordan Morgan to Matthew
Speaker 8: bergeron and that immediately maybe like kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 8: we wouldn't have thought that last year, but they were
Speaker 8: really into that whole idea of of going after Berger
Speaker 8: around if they didn't if Mozzie Smith wasn't there.
Speaker 4: So so they're taking bergeron this year?
Speaker 7: Is that what you're saying, maybe maybe check the Athletic
Speaker 7: mock Draft.
Speaker 3: I'm living in the chaos and I'm looking at linebacker.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at linebackers the first pick.
Speaker 4: As a first pick.
Speaker 2: I want to see it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that would be it would be interesting. They would
Speaker 7: have to trade back. There was the guy.
Speaker 6: There that was worthy of twenty four. I think where worth?
Speaker 5: All right? Boys, you guys, but no.
Speaker 8: There's just not There's not like one of those linebackers
Speaker 8: that there are in some drafter you're like, oh yeah,
Speaker 8: you know, like like a ro Quand Smith type, you know,
Speaker 8: like that where you're like, well, this is obviously the
Speaker 8: best guy. That's a bunch of guys that like are
Speaker 8: kind of all in a group that people think will
Speaker 8: go early mid second round.
Speaker 14: You know.
Speaker 7: So I think if Peyton Wilson didn't have the medical concerns,
Speaker 7: he'd probably be that guy.
Speaker 2: But the medical concerns push him to Day two comfortably.
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