WEBVTT - Talkin’ Cowboys: Bring on the Big Boys 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:07.360 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:08.960 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:14.240 Cowboys. 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:19.560 This He's Talking Cowboys Straining live from the Dallas Cowboys 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:30.920 World Course at the Star in Frisco's. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:40.000 Welcome to Talking Cowboys, presented by Black Rifle Coffee, Live 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:41.880 from the Star and Frisco. We're here in the s 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:45.959 WBC podcast studio. I'm here with Nick Harris, Isaiah standback, 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:49.920 John Machoda. I am Josh Rodriguez filling in for Kyle 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.280 Yeoman who is on paternity leave. Shouts to him taking 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:54.880 care of his kids. 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:56.080 What a good father he is. 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:56.720 He is a good dad. 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:57.560 Take them dad. 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.480 We'll miss him for sure. And just hear filling filling 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.640 shoes as it were. We got Chrispy in the back. 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:05.840 Boys. 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:07.680 How we doing fan Tabby Loso? 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:11.759 Yeah, yeah, I can't complain. Draft We did this draft? Yeah, 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:14.399 Draft Week players. 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:16.440 Yeah, they have a lot of players. 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:19.640 Trading. 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:22.600 Yeah, they just acquire a ton of picks next year. 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:26.760 Uh No, today's there's a press conference with who's all 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:28.320 going to be on this press conference panel? We got 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:30.800 Steven Jones, Jerry Jones, Mike McCarthy and Will McLay. 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:31.680 For this one today. 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:32.880 Lunch provided, that's all I know. 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:34.040 Lunch Yeah, lunch. 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:37.440 Provided, which is a yeah, that's that's new. But yeah, 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:40.039 so we'll we'll hear from them today. Obviously they won't 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.200 give too much as far as draft strategy goes. But 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.680 certain things that I'm I'm curious about to address is 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:48.240 are they open for business and trading back? Do they 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:50.120 want to acquire a Day three pick? You know, what 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:51.760 does that kind of look like for them? 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:52.040 Uh? 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:55.600 And their conversations up there in the building. So excited 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:57.640 to see what comes with that. And then man, draft time, 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.000 I'm excited. Man, It's yeah, it's one of my favorite times. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.200 It's sure time to shine, right, It's just my favorite 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:02.720 time of the year. 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:05.880 Well, we got news and notes to get to kind 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:07.760 of first off, before we get into the draft stuff. 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:07.960 Uh. 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:11.320 Dak Prescott, he had some comments this week or I 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.200 guess last week. I kind of wanted to get into 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.160 that as far as his future goes in Dallas. He 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:18.600 made some comments about that. John, did you want to 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:20.440 kind of kick us off? And yeah, tell us what 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:20.840 he said? 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.040 So Nick and I were both there and I don't 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.840 know if this jumped out to you immediately when it happened. 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:32.640 But the way he talked about not being nervous or worried, feared, 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:35.799 I don't feel fear. I don't fear about whether it's 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:37.600 you know, his futures with the Cowboys or something. And 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:39.480 that's the first time I ever heard him kind of 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:41.640 talk like that. I like, I liked it from his 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:43.640 perspective because it just shows you that he's dug in 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.000 and that I mean, he's a competitor. So I did 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.919 it just he is so used to always saying exactly 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.080 whatever the right thing is or whatever, you know, towing 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.240 the company line, and for him to say that, that 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:56.840 was the first time that I've ever been around him 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:58.760 where I was like, oh, yeah, he's ready for He's 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:00.800 ready for the a If if you guys think that 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.440 you're better off without me, well maybe maybe maybe we'll 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:03.800 find out. 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:03.920 Now. 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:05.560 Of course he didn't say that, but that's I mean, 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.000 you read in between the lines. I thought that was 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.080 that was pretty interesting, that part of it, and then 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:12.240 the other part is just the whole. Yeah, he's talked 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.880 to Jerry Jones about the contract, but haven't had quote, 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:17.960 real talks. Yeah, And that one to me was a 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:20.960 little surprising, just because that's all we talk about is 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.520 just DA contract, CD contract, MIC A contract, and you're 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.359 just thinking, well, no, they're they're having these conversations everything, 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.200 and the fact that they're not really having any substantial 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:33.079 conversations it just I mean, I said this before free 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.440 agency started. I know you've said it way before then, 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:38.160 but just like every day that goes by, it's more 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:39.920 and more likely that he's going to play out this 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:42.280 final year of this deal, and that's just gonna be wild. 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:43.720 I mean, yeah, there's gonna be a lot of pressure 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.760 on him, but there was pressure on him before for 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:51.040 that last deal and he broke his ankle pretty significantly 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:54.160 and still got that deal. So that doesn't mean that 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.880 he's not going to be with the Dallas Cowboys. But 0:03:57.200 --> 0:04:00.280 I think that, I think that right now is just 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:02.080 more than ever you have to start thinking about that 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:03.800 being a possibility. I know a lot of Cowboys fans 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:05.640 probably don't want to think about that. I mean, if 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:08.160 you're a Cowboys fan, you're used to whoever is your 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:13.160 franchise quarterback. They don't wear anybody else's jersey, you know, Yeah, 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:14.360 they don't go anywhere else. 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.640 When was the last time a quarterback left the Cowboys 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.719 like it's still still in good standing. I guess as 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:21.520 far as his career, I don't think there's a like 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:25.000 a good one. I don't think there's been one. Yeah, yeah, 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:27.279 was that fist pump? Like a yes fist pump or 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:28.440 like a darn fist place Listen. 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:33.000 Like you mentioned, I foresaw that he was going to 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:35.239 have to play in his fifth year, and it's still 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.279 up in the air. But I like the fact that 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.720 they're making him seemingly leaning towards him playing on his 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:45.440 last year of his contract. I like it because all 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:48.240 the respect in the world to Dak Prescott, great human being. 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.160 He's been a good player for the Dallas Cowboys. But ultimately, 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:55.400 your goal and your mission every year for every single organization, 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:58.320 all thirty two teams, is to win a Super Bowl. 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:00.160 That's your over archie go. 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:04.440 Now, everything else underneath that umbrella is pretty much like 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.680 pats on the back or progress. It's either pat on 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:09.359 the back, Hey, good job got to the first round 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:11.039 or guess what, you know, we got further than we 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:13.960 got the year before, so we're heading in the right direction, right. 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:15.840 Those are really the two boxes that get checked every 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.840 single year. But if your ultimate goal is to win 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.040 a super Bowl, and you're serious about winning a super Bowl, 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:24.280 then you have to take the regular season work kind 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:25.200 of out of the picture. 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:27.440 You really have to separate. 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:31.359 Your emotional your emotional ties to an individual and the 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:33.960 success that they've had during the regular season, and you 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:37.279 have to look and say, during the postseason, what have 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:37.920 we done? 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:39.880 And when you look at. 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:43.640 Tony Romo's career here, which you moved on from him, 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.680 he was two and FoEI in the playoffs, correct Dak 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:48.480 Prescott's two and five as. 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:51.720 It currently stands, there's not much difference there. 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.320 Well, they're one difference though, I will say with Romo 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.560 and Dak is that Tony Romo could still be the 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:01.320 starting quarterback of this franchise for all we know if 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:03.240 his if his back could hold up good, we don't 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:04.720 know that, he wouldn't still be here right now. So 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:08.839 his his health kind of forced the hands. So the 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:10.599 idea that well, they're just not gonna put up with this, 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:11.440 We're going to move the next one. 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:12.800 We haven't really seen that from them. 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:16.520 I understand that, and I totally agree with you. His 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:20.000 tenure here got cut short because of the succession of 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:24.800 Dak Prescott based upon an unfortunate situation with with Tony Romo. 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.360 The thing is, the record at that point in time 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:30.680 remained the same. He was two and four in the playoffs. 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.440 Right now, Dak Prescott's two and five. So as an organization, 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:37.360 regardless of how outstanding of a citizen he is, how 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.560 how how much of a great model he is for 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:44.960 the organization and great spokesperson, great human being, great regular 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:49.240 season demon right killing it runner up to MVP? Does 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.599 that get jewelry on your finger? And has it gotten 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:55.680 jewelry on your finger? And if that is the ultimate goal, 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:59.119 then why would you not put somebody's back up against 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:02.400 the wall. Say, before I reward you, I have to 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:04.800 actually reward you for performance. 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.400 You're leading the witness a little bit. Obviously, no, there 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.360 are no rings on his finger. But I also think 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:14.080 that was Dax Prescott's job to take. I mean, if 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.520 it was what the Cowboys intended, if it was Paxton 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.480 Lynch on this roster, I think Tony Romo would still 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.160 probably be the quarterback in some capacity. I don't think 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.560 he overtakes Tony Romo in that position. But because you 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:28.040 had Dak Prescott on the roster. He took that job understood, 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:30.960 he really did. As painful as that for me to say, 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:32.640 as much as I left Tony Romo a little bit 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:34.960 more context if I could on yeah, on the on 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:39.000 the day last week and his availability. So first off, 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:42.600 the event was for the Children's Cancer Ball on gala 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.480 Dak Prescott and Troy Yeigman or co chairman's of the 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:48.480 of the Cancer Fund. And there was fifty to seventy 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:50.920 five kids that walked and over one hundred that were 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.760 able to come back and you know, participate in the 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.960 festivities after participating in previous years. So a really good 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:58.640 cause overall. I wanted to be sure and hit that. 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:00.760 Hey Romo ended up being there too. 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.960 Roma was there too, which was very fascinating seeing all 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:06.720 three of them together like that. It is very fascinating, 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.559 especially given the context of all of them as well. 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:13.080 But a couple of more things, uh, Dak Prescott has 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:15.600 had a meeting with Jerry Jones in recent weeks. He 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.720 was able to tell us and just he said that 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.200 there's not any gray area. So at least whatever the 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:24.320 understanding is, Dak Prescott and Jerry Jones are on the 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.480 same page as far as where this contract, where these 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.400 contract negotiations stand, he said, I talked to Jerry, so 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.240 I understand where we are. Obviously Jerry's mentioned the same, 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:35.400 so there's not any gray area in that sense. We 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.920 had a great conversation that put us aligned and where 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:41.600 we are in this moment. And he made he said, 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:45.120 in the moment now, focusing on now. That was kind 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.520 of the theme around his availability in my eyes, and 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:51.200 he's maintained that he has kept that same ridic rhetoric 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:52.960 throughout his career. He said, you could go back to 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.400 earlier in my career when there wasn't a contract in play. 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:57.439 I'm a guy who focuses on the now, what I 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.559 can do in this moment. Yes, yes, there's something you 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:02.480 can pull from that, but also I think it's it's 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:04.280 a little bit more ambiguous when you look at it 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.600 with the context, given the fact that he's entering a 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:08.920 final year of his deal, and also the fact that 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.559 you go back and you look at his previous availability, 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.240 which was for the same cause a couple of months ago. 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:16.760 I believe it was early March, right before a free 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:18.760 agency started there at North Park. I think it was 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:21.240 around early March, and he was like, I'm confident we're 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:22.120 gonna get a deal done. 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:22.360 You know. 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.400 There's that's that's where that's where we stand. You know, 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:26.480 I'm confident it's gonna happen and the team needs it, 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:28.960 so you know we're gonna get it done. To now, 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:31.160 Hey man, I'm just living in the now. You know, 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.160 when when talks get here, they'll get here, you know. 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:34.760 And so it's like it's it's a little bit more 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:37.200 more ambiguous and you kind of read between the lines 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:39.440 in that sense, and you wonder where and when this 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:43.640 conversation might happen. And then yeah, the final quote that 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:45.520 he gave on the last question, I'm not gonna say 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:47.800 I fear being here or not right now. 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:49.000 It's with the Dallas Cowboys. 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.000 After the season, we'll see where we're at and if 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.760 the future holds that, if not, we'll go from there. 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:58.040 So yeah, it's it's fast standing he is standing on 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:00.840 business and another another thing, I want to be sure 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:04.480 and hit with CD apparently, you know, preparing to hold 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:06.959 out for a new contract. He was also asked, hey, 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:08.640 will you still be able to get working with CD 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.199 if that holdout takes you into training camp, et cetera. 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:13.319 He said, we'll get some work in. I've been in 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.160 communication with CD. Maybe a deal gets done, and if 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.079 it doesn't, I guarantee that we'll still find a lot 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:19.959 of time to get the work that we feel comfortable. 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:23.000 One note on both of these topics with Dak Prescott 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.319 and CD Lamb is that the Reliant Home run Derby 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:28.560 is next Wednesday, and both of them are expected to compete, 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:30.080 So there's could be a lot of headlines that come 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:31.400 out of next week. 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:32.439 For sure, the. 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:33.920 Home runs will not be the headline. 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:36.200 I'll tell you that, no, no, not quite. 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:38.760 I also kind of wanted to touch on he made 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:42.840 a few comments regarding the Cowboys offseason moves or lack thereof. 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:44.559 Did you kind of want to touch on that a 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:45.000 little bit? 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:46.480 Yeah, he had. 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.439 I didn't really put it on this in this quote 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:52.120 box that I have here, but that was another thing 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:54.240 that he had talked with with Jerry about a couple 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:56.320 of weeks ago, and that was kind of playing into 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.160 there's not any gray area, so he understands where the 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:02.480 organization is at. He understands where things are at. He said, 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.760 He's focused on the guys in the locker room and 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:06.280 what he can do to pour into them over the 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.960 course of the off season. So I mean that was 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.720 that was you know, a typical deck answer and good sense. 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:12.480 Yeah, for sure. 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.880 So another topic that we have h Stephen Jones is 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:19.040 on the fan discussing offensive line. He discussed Trey Lance 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.400 a little bit, another thing that you touched on last 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:23.120 week at length. But I kind of wanted to get 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.080 your thoughts on this now that he actually said it 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.000 onto the record. You know, this is out there for 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:30.360 the world. With Mike Zimmer in the building. Obviously, the 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.320 defensive scheme is going to change a little bit, and 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:33.880 he said, we're going to be relying on a three 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:37.120 linebacker system. Bigger in the middle and uh less of 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.360 the uh uh yeah, just bigger in the middle basically. 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.959 So he said more, he said, more three linebacker as 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:46.720 opposed to two linebacker and three safety. 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.400 That's yeah, true, true, as pretty much a base defense. 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:55.840 Yeah, but how four down, four down, three linebackers. 0:11:56.360 --> 0:12:00.880 Historically, if in the last two or three years, I'm 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:02.880 not talking NFL has changed the entire. 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:04.720 League, NFL has changed personnel. 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.640 So if you are going to be in a more 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:11.559 traditional type setting where you have four down, three linebackers, 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.360 you better have some you better have some dbs, and 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:18.160 you better have some great covering outside linebackers. Because the 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.520 game of football has changed. It's eleven personnel. It is 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:22.720 eleven personnel. And for those that don't know what eleven 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.840 personnel is. One tight end, one running back, three receivers. 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.880 That is primarily what most teams line up in, whether 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.760 it's run or pass. Now, if it's a second and short, 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:33.760 third and short, yeah, you're gonna come out in a 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.640 twenty one or twenty two, whatever it might be personnel 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:38.200 to change up. You know the amount of tight ends 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.200 and running backs that you have in the backfield. But 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:47.000 I can't foresee this team turning into a traditional base 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:53.120 defense in this NFL. And with the lack of picks 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:56.320 that you have in this year's draft, and the fact 0:12:56.360 --> 0:13:00.480 that most of free agency is gone, So where are 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:04.800 you going to acquire all these extra assets that are 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.120 going to now feel the voids that you have in 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:07.960 this new system. 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:09.240 It was my concern last week. 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:11.040 It was my concern as soon as they brought Zim 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:13.960 Roun staff, I was like, I can't see it. I 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:17.200 don't know how they get there with the current roster 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:18.920 that he's walking into. 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.000 So let's frum the tally. What would you need to 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:22.920 be able to put together a base defense right now? 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:26.000 Based on what this team needs, probably two defensive tackles, 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.480 at least one more linebacker another end. 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:30.920 Yeah, I would say two. 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.160 You need at least two more linebackers because you would 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:35.720 love over Showing to come back and be healthy. 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:38.160 Yeah, that's fair. You got pretty healthy. 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:39.839 I mean, but we had, you know, we have. 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:44.520 Unfortunately, what happened to Jabrill Cox kind of gave you 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.120 a peek into the window of what could happen when 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:50.200 Oversheon gets back. You just have to be obviously I'm 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:51.600 not putting that on him, but that just you have 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.840 to be realistic about that about what he's coming back as, 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:57.560 because you would you had a really athletic you know, 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.720 Cox and linebacker. He was a beast fast, and then 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:02.120 he got hurt and then he came back and he 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:05.400 just wasn't that right, whether it was confidence, whether it's ability. 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:07.920 So you're hoping that that's not the story for overshone. 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.600 So I would like to come into the season without 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:12.560 the expectation that Overshow is going to be what he 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:17.240 was prior to injury, and plan for his replacement and 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.560 in hope for the best, right and then just have 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.280 that extra depth there. So if I'm not factoring overshown 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.800 into it, now all of a sudden you got Damon 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:26.040 Clark and you got Kendricks. 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:27.320 That's it. 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.280 Yeah, I think a minimum too and then hope for 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:34.120 the best basically with overshown and you know, let him 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:35.520 do what he needs to do to kind of get healthy. 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:39.760 But you talked about the size up front. You're severely undersized, 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.560 like not just a little bit. Yeah, you are severely 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:48.280 undersized for not only what mister Jones just said, right, 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:50.520 Stephen Jones just said about going to a traditional four 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:54.920 to three seemingly or historically what Zimmer has done with 0:14:55.000 --> 0:15:00.080 a three four. Either way, you are severely undersized. And 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:02.440 how do you rectify that? 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:03.440 I don't know. 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:07.320 M just add more beef, as to add as much 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:08.520 beef as you possibly can. 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:10.640 And the draft I think, I think training table is 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:12.320 going to change the type of foods are serving. 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:13.960 It's not gonna be training table, it is gonna be 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:14.600 fatting table. 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:16.520 I mean, you're gonna be able to fill out the 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:20.000 roster and get the right body types. The problem is 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.640 that are you going to have quality there because this 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.680 team's gonna I think they're gonna make I don't know, 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:31.920 two three, four undrafted guys, the guys that possibly make 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.240 this roster just because they're gonna need extra body. 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.720 I can see a linebacker they don't even draft. 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:40.760 That's a guy that's depth but also special teams that 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:42.600 makes this roster. I mean it's kind of like last year, 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:44.840 like you had a pretty good idea with that when 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.880 they signed TJ. Bass after the draft, Like, yeah, as 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.560 he good as maybe a top three pick, top you know, 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:52.720 first three round pick, probably not, but he had a 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.080 good chance of making the roster because hey, look at 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.280 what they need. You know, that's why he signed with 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.120 the Cowboys because it was gonna be a great opportunity 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.200 to make the roster. I think linebacker you can fill 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:04.520 out a little bit that way. The defensive tackle, particularly 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:06.760 the big one technique, that's the one where I'm just like, 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.400 I don't know where you're really finding somebody like this. 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:11.960 There's not many in the draft either, Yeah, a lot. 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:13.680 So you're going and obviously you can speak to that 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:18.480 all day long. You're going into this season heavily relying 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.360 upon rookies. Let's just call it what it is. Yeah, 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.000 young guys in general, young guys in general, rookies, undraft 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.880 second year guys, you're going into this season heavily relying 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:29.440 upon it in a year in which you did not 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.120 get a lot of productivity out of your draft. 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:32.440 Yeah. 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.440 So if you have this big breakout year two for 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:36.120 Mazzie Smith, are you feeling a lot better? 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:38.960 I feel a lot better. But I mean, we have 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.320 his work to look at, right, That's all we have. 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:43.800 You know, we can hope all day long. 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:44.440 We can wish. 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:46.880 I had a lot of wish sandwiches growing up, you know, 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:50.040 I wish my sandwiches were actually has some meat on it. 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:51.680 But there no a lot of times it was just 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:53.320 honey and bread, you knows. 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:55.480 And it's not only that I hate to be I 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:57.000 hate to be the downer here on all this, but 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:00.359 name the last player that really didn't give you anything 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:05.240 year one and just super ascended the next year. Like now, 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:07.280 there could be like a little bit in year one 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:08.760 and then they take the next step in your two. 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.240 But I'm talking like, you get almost nothing from and 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:12.840 then year two you're just like, whoa where did this 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:13.480 guy come from? 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:16.720 We're on the podcast, Let's do it. 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:17.320 I can't think. 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.040 I was at Broadcast boot camp. 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.160 There were offensive linemen there who played against the Dallas 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:25.640 Cowboys last year. We had conversations on the on the bus, 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.560 you know, lunchtime, and one of the offensive linemen that 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:33.320 I was with was literally laughing at He was like, 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.280 he didn't even know the name, but I knew he 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.040 was talking about. He was talking about Mazi at the time. 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:38.679