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Speaker 1: Hey, what up, Welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieban. You are

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Speaker 1: I remember one on the Dan Patrick channel on Sirius

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Speaker 1: XM serious to seventeen and x M two oh three.

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Speaker 1: Those are the numbers. Case you're wondering daily show, not

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Speaker 1: just hoops, All Sports, Doug Gotlip Show. It's been like

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Speaker 1: years now, like twelve years, have been doing the kind

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Speaker 1: of afternoon spot nationally, three different networks. I think you'll

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Speaker 1: like it. Let me get to a couple of hoops nuggets.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with Carmelo Anthony. Now, I do feel like

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Speaker 1: at some point somebody's gonna take a little bit of

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Speaker 1: the bait. Maybe it's Brooklyn because they won't have Kevin

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Speaker 1: for him. Is that Brooklyn's whole thing was their culture

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Speaker 1: and they are completely completely into the idea of analytics.

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Speaker 1: They only take threes or uh or or layups. That's

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Speaker 1: really it. Threes, layoups, Alleyb's free throws, that's about it.

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Speaker 1: They are analytics basketball. That's what Kenny Atkinson believes in.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a challenge for him though with Kyrie Irving,

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Speaker 1: who likes to over dribble, will take some mid rain shots,

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Speaker 1: will take some fade aways, and then the same will

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Speaker 1: will will be interesting when they get Kevin Durant healthy

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Speaker 1: a man. Carmelo he doesn't seem to fit at all

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Speaker 1: with what they've been doing. And the big thing with

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Speaker 1: Melow is like, look, he can't guard anybody anymore. He

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Speaker 1: didn't guard anybody early in his career. Now he can't

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Speaker 1: guard anybody, and it becomes even worse. I guess I'm

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Speaker 1: disappointed in USA basketball, not in USA basketball, but in

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Speaker 1: NBA players who choose to work out all the time

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Speaker 1: and don't want to work out with Gregg Popovich and

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Speaker 1: play representing our country. Part of me thinks that maybe

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Speaker 1: the thing to do is to make the Olympics go

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Speaker 1: back to the amateur you know, go back to using

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Speaker 1: our ams. Now. It would probably mean we're not gonna

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Speaker 1: win gold medals. But the World Cup can be for

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Speaker 1: the NBA players, the Olympics could be for the college kids.

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Speaker 1: Why not. That's what it used to be about. And

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Speaker 1: the only reason we changed was we had a terrible

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Speaker 1: team in we got beat by uh we got beat

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Speaker 1: by guys that some of whom were in fact pros,

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Speaker 1: and instead of getting better, we just like, let's go

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Speaker 1: get our best guys and stomp the world, which we did,

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Speaker 1: and they're now kind of catching up to us. If

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Speaker 1: our NBA players only want to play in the Olympics, fine,

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Speaker 1: let's let's play the ams otherwise. But the truth is

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Speaker 1: that the World Cup is designed for the pros and

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Speaker 1: the Olympics is designed for the ms. Let's go back

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Speaker 1: to the amateurs, or at least capital at years old

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Speaker 1: have for the young guys. We may end up getting

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Speaker 1: beat in the World Cup. I think that's gonna show

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Speaker 1: our our depth. You know, the difference in US in

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Speaker 1: other countries is the depth of quality players, the depth

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Speaker 1: of quality athletes. We'll see if we have the shot makers,

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Speaker 1: but it might actually be better team basketball than we've

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Speaker 1: played when we played international competition before. I don't think

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Speaker 1: we should close the door on using amateurs, especially in

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Speaker 1: the Olympics, even if it caused us to not metal.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of the Doug Dot

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Speaker 1: Leaps Show weekdays at noon eastern three pm Pacific on

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's get to a couple of other interesting news from

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Speaker 1: There's a previous relationship that exists between Doc Rivers and tylu.

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Speaker 1: I think Tyler made a mistake. Yeah. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: a three year, three year deal, But think about the

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Speaker 1: team that he's coaching now as an assistant, and think

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Speaker 1: unreasonable bargain. Yeah, sure, but it's their prerogative to do so, right,

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Speaker 1: I don't like to hire from the Clippers. You got

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Speaker 1: that stuff makes sense. I'm just telling you from Tyrone

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Speaker 1: And then we'll let's get to the n c A.

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Speaker 1: Backing down from the quote unquote Rich Paul rule, it's

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Speaker 1: really Christian dawk control, and even in how it's being

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Speaker 1: pitched by the media, it's a win for social media

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Speaker 1: and a win for Rich Paul, who's grandfathered in to

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Speaker 1: the NBA p A s Agent Approval system. It's so funny.

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Speaker 1: The NBA p A and the n f L p

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Speaker 1: the n b A p A you can appeal and

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Speaker 1: get an exemption. That's what happened to Rich Paul. But

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Speaker 1: they have these degree requirements already in place, which is

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Speaker 1: basically what the n c A kind of changed the doing.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're asking a ton to get a

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Speaker 1: the logic behind it is this, the n c A

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Speaker 1: people who understand what a degree brings to the table

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Speaker 1: their point, which is a smart one, which is, hey,

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Speaker 1: have to have an advanced degree yet to be a

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Speaker 1: lawyer or have a master's degree. How Come no one

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Speaker 1: why the culture of basketball, so many au coaches, uncles,

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Speaker 1: And now you know, apparently Lebron James and Rich Paul

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Speaker 1: don't think that guys that aren't reputable are in people's

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Speaker 1: ears or don't understand it doesn't mean that having a

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Speaker 1: All right, let's welcome him in. He's a long time

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Speaker 1: college basketball analysts. He's worked for Fox Sports. He's actually

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Speaker 1: now at ESPN, U C L A l M. Sean Farnham, Uh, Farnio.

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Speaker 1: We've seen you on Get Up. You continue to expand

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Speaker 1: you know, you've done national radio, you've done local radio. Um.

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Speaker 1: When when you grew up in northern California, what was

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Speaker 1: your childhood like? Well, you know, I was I was

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Speaker 1: I mean he had those moments even in his professional career.

432
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,880
Speaker 1: But going back to where he was in high school

433
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 1: and when he showed up at U c l A.

434
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 1: And I still remember the day he committed, and he

435
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 1: committed on Fox Sports West and it was like, really

436
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,399
Speaker 1: the first time I think I I can remember at

437
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,440
Speaker 1: least a guy committing on television, and the sound in

438
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 1: the dorms at U c l A. The eruption of

439
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 1: cheers when Baron announced that he was going to come

440
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 1: to Westwood. Was was amazing. They're going to get him

441
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 1: to me, my teammates. And then he watched him get picked.

442
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,640
Speaker 1: I think it was third overall in the draft. Even

443
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,120
Speaker 1: coming back after that a c L was just incredible. Yeah.

444
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 1: But I mean Harry sold his son, what he sold

445
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 1: his sister or his his solder sister, like a Chevy Bronco,

446
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 1: Like it was the dumbest stuff. Maybe a blazer. It

447
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 1: was a blazer. It was a blazer. Sorry, it's a blazer.

448
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 1: It was a blazer. He sold it, like you know,

449
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 1: who knows how they came up with money whatever, But

450
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: there was like a legit transaction made, but just the

451
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 1: idea that like like Jiff, I like Eric, but that

452
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 1: ship was crazy, just just a level so you had

453
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 1: and all that stuff was vetted and obviously it was exposed.

454
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 1: I mean, if you remember the l A Times articles

455
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: that were coming out. I know you were in college

456
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: at the same time, but I mean that was a

457
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: big deal and there were stories about that written and

458
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: uh and and Barren you know, through through the compliance

459
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 1: department and whatnot. Everything was considered to be fine. Um,

460
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 1: but Barren as a teammate was was wild. I mean,

461
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 1: it was fun. There was a picture that was posted

462
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: on Instagram not too long ago. Uh and I forget

463
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: who posted. I might have been Earl that posted it,

464
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: but it was a picture of Baron driving one of

465
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: those service cards with Earl in the passenger seat and

466
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: Geron Rush in the backs and laying on like the

467
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: backbed of the of the service code. It was inside

468
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 1: the arena and Arizona State. They had left the keys

469
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 1: in it and those three guys got in took it

470
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: on a joy ride through the parking lot around our

471
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 1: bus after we were done with Shoot Run. But that

472
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: was that, I mean, that's just how it was. I

473
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: mean we were we were a little wild and it

474
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: was a little crazy. Um, but they were they were

475
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: a ton of fun to have its teammate. Um that

476
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 1: year you had, I mean you had two of my

477
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 1: AU teammates j R. Henderson, Chris Johnson. He had Toby

478
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: Bailey who was like he was like arrival, one of

479
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: our rivals. All growing up to talk about a team

480
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 1: staying on the same teams whatever, Baron, Earl Watson, Gilannie McCoy,

481
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 1: same team, same team, Like that's a crazy, crazy talented team. Um,

482
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: you guys lost what to Kentucky. Guys had smashed by Kentucky. Why, Yeah,

483
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: that was the That was the game after Barren towards

484
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 1: a c l Uh. They came out and pressed us

485
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 1: and we turned it over a ton early in that game.

486
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: I mean it was over within ten minutes. That was

487
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 1: at Tropicana Fields and the Bay full Steam had actually

488
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: not been completed yet and it was parental downpour. We

489
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: had to put like those little wraps around our shoes

490
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: as we got off the bus because you were stepping

491
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: in the mud. And Uh, that should have been an

492
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: indication of how the night was going to go, because

493
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 1: when we we we stepped in that mud, we played

494
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: like we were stuck in mud. Uh, and they just

495
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: absolutely destroyed us. The other thing about that season people

496
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: forget about two is Gillani ended up only playing a

497
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: short amount of time that year. Uh, and then a

498
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 1: suspension went into play and he didn't play the remainder

499
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: of the season. And so I always go back and

500
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: I always think to myself, like, if if Gillanni McCoy

501
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: had not been suspended for a majority of that season, uh,

502
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 1: and then certainly for almost all of conference play and

503
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: then into the n C Double A Tournament, he was

504
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: not available for US. If Barron doesn't tear as a

505
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: cl what that team could have accomplished because as you know,

506
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: with him being your teammate, Chris could flat out score

507
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: with anybody and he loved to shoot the basketball. Jr.

508
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 1: Henderson's still playing professional basketball in Japan. I think it's

509
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: like twenty third season or whatnot over over in Japan.

510
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: Um but extremely talented as well. And that group, to me,

511
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 1: that's that's the one thing that I look back on

512
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: at U c l A. And you look at not

513
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 1: only that team, but then you go the following year

514
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: after that and you've got Baron Davis, Earl Watson, and

515
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: then you've got uh Matt Barnes, Jombowie. So who's a

516
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: lottery pick for the Celtics. I mean it was. It

517
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: was a tremendously talented group of players that I was fortunate.

518
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 1: And then when we lost Baron, we got Jason Copono

519
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: for my senior year, right, So it was it was

520
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: always silly as far as talent goes at U c

521
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: l A during that stretch of time. And look, I

522
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: think personally looking back on it, I think we did

523
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: under achieved, and I think that there were times that

524
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: I look at, go man, there's no way we should

525
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: have lost that game. There's no way we should have

526
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: been bounced out of the tournament, in particular Baron's final game.

527
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: It U c l A. We lost to Detroit Mercy

528
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: in the first round of the n C Double A Tournament.

529
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: Um and and there's no reason did they happen? Did

530
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: they go out too much talent to be able to

531
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: accomplish that? Did they go out to night before the game?

532
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: I remember because we were an indie and we we

533
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: we we beat uh, we beat we beat Hofstra, No, no,

534
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: the Hofstra of my senior year. UH. We beat Syracuse

535
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: and then lost to Auburn. And I remember we beat

536
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: Syracuse very early in the day and then you guys

537
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: played I think later on, and like, you know, there's

538
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: like rumors are like, dude, I heard the U c

539
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: l A guys went out the night before the game.

540
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: And then you guys get beat by Detroit Mercy and

541
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: you know, Geron rush is bad. Uh Moissa didn't do

542
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: anything called out, Yeah, Baron fouled out and it was

543
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: just it was just bad, right, Like, um, it was

544
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: just bad. Now, I don't I don't know personally, and

545
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: I would obviously tell you it's twenty years later, so

546
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: I don't really care. UM. I don't know if if

547
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: the guys did or not. I know I didn't. I

548
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: know my roommate didn't. UM. But it was it was

549
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: just disappointed. They went to a zone on us and

550
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: we got stagnant real quick, and we settled for a

551
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: lot of bad shots and we still had a four

552
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: point lead when Barren fought out with like two fifty

553
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: four left to go in the game. Uh. And then

554
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: after Barren fought out of the game, it was it

555
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: just kind of the wheels fell off the wagon and

556
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: Duran did not play nearly as as well as as

557
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: he's shown that he could, and and we kind of

558
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: needed him too. In particular that night, your last game

559
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: was what I was staying the I was take game

560
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: that I was stay game at the Palace of Auburn Hills.

561
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: It was so good tonament. We lost to that team twice. Uh,

562
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: first time we got blown out, second time at their place.

563
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: Second time, close game. But but for you to go

564
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: from a guy who was walk on to scholarship and

565
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: starting um like how long did it take? Did you

566
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: have the perspective while you're doing it of how special

567
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: an accomplishment that was at U c l A. Or

568
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: was it like like the rest of us wrapped in

569
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: the like I need to shoot more bitterness and like,

570
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: did you have the perspective of how incredible a client

571
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: that is from a guy who they didn't offer a

572
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: scholarship to to starting uh, your last season and part

573
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: of your your previous season. Yeah, it was. It was amazing,

574
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: Doug Um, just because again I knew how limited of

575
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: a basketball player I was, you know, and and I've

576
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: never made more of that whole thing. I think. I think,

577
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: especially what I was saying, college people made more about

578
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: it than it really was. Um. I just felt so

579
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: grateful that I had John Wooden said to me on

580
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: my bench for all four years. Uh. And I remember

581
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: my senior day he waved me over and looked at

582
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: me and just said well done. And I was like, yeah,

583
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: I'm good. I don't I don't really need anything more

584
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: than that. Um. It was. It was an incredible ride.

585
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: And you know, my first start was crazy because it

586
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: was against Arizona. Arizona was undefeated fourteen and though I

587
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: think there were sevens in the country. The game was

588
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: January second, and not that I remember final score. We

589
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: won UM, but the day before it was obviously New

590
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: Year's Day, and we had a couple of guys that,

591
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: you know, hey, they just practice. Was showing some signs

592
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: of guys not being dialed in as much as they

593
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: need to be in and laugh being laugh goes you

594
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: know who wants to start? I raised my husts, I'll start.

595
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: It goes fine, sewn, you're starting. I was like, wait,

596
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: what I'm starting against Arizona, Like that's all I needed

597
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: to do to get to start UM. And it's funny

598
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: looking back on it, but I started, and I remember

599
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: immediately went to our video guy, who was a guy

600
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: that at the time that had come from Indiana, was

601
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: a Bobby Night guy, and I said, I need every

602
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: move that AJ Bramlett has scored on in the last

603
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: five games, and so he went up in that Back

604
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: then it was DHS, you know, so you're you're pausing

605
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: record and play guy pulls off and all these things.

606
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, if I can just take away,

607
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: push him off the block a little bit, take away

608
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: this turn to this shoulder I think I got a chance,

609
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: and so I went out and I played really well,

610
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: and I had played some hard noose defense. We got

611
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: off to a good start. Scored the second basket of

612
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: the game off and assist from from Earl, And as

613
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: I was doing that, I almost inside, like you know

614
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: that that feeling where you're like almost hyperventilating, but you're

615
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: trying to play cool, like you're really not. Uh So

616
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: that was a that was a moment for me, especially

617
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: since I didn't tell my parents and they were coming

618
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: to the game anyways, and so they drove down from

619
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: northern California and they're sitting there and when they announced

620
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: me as a starter, uh just to look up and

621
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: see my dad cry, that was that kind of gave

622
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: me a good indication of that this was this was

623
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: something special and and I never devalued those moments, and

624
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: I knew there there and for people that didn't understand

625
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: at the time why I'd be starting over like a

626
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: Jerome moleiz So or Matt Barnes, who obviously both of

627
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: them went on for the NBA. Matt had a tremendous

628
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: career of fifteen years almost I think, um it was

629
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: it was one of those things where Jerome really didn't

630
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: like to start. I mean, he just was one of

631
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: those guys like I'd rather come off the bench and

632
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: see how the game was going. Or Dan would be like, hey,

633
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, let just let me come off the bench,

634
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: and I would go out there for like three or

635
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: four minutes. I ball versal set good screens, probably getting

636
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: a legal offensive screen at some point in time, just

637
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: to make sure that they kind of knew that the

638
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: screen was coming. And then I go sit down and

639
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: I watched the pros play, and that's that's the reality

640
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: of what my role was even when I was starting,

641
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: and I accepted that and enjoyed it because I knew

642
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't a shooter, Like, who'd you want shooting the

643
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: ball you've got out of the floor. When I started

644
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: my first game, you had Baron Davis, you had Earl Watson,

645
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: you had Jerome Movie so you had Ray Young who

646
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Speaker 1: was a really good shooter and a McDonald's all American,

647
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Speaker 1: and then you had me. Who's the last guy you

648
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: want shooting the ball out on the floor? Me? Uh?

649
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,479
Speaker 1: And I was smart enough to realize that and go, hey,

650
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: this is my role, this is what I could do.

651
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: But looking back on it, it gives me more pride

652
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: than probably I had when I was going through it.

653
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: Just to wear that uniform and to be out on

654
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,239
Speaker 1: the floor. It's it's, it's the it's there's a lot

655
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: of fascinating elements to it. Um. Are you a pay

656
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: the player's guy? No? No, And I always used myself

657
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: as the business biggest example. I mean my points per game.

658
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: I think for points per game, I might be one

659
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: of the most successful college basketball players in the history

660
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: of college basketball. And I say that jokingly, but you know,

661
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: when you look at the forum that U c l

662
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Speaker 1: A provided for me. Um. First of all, I left

663
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: school and my first check went into my pocket. I

664
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: would I was hired as a full time assistant coach

665
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: at Pepperdine at twenty two years of age. I was

666
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: coaching a player that red shirted, a Heere who I

667
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: played against in the California State championship and Derrick Anderson.

668
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: Um then too to be able to go into this

669
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: broadcasting career. I wouldn't have those opportunities had I not

670
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: played basketball U c l A. I I realized, I

671
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: don't look at one of my teammates, Bob Meyer's Bob

672
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: Myers is the general manager of the Golden State Warriors

673
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: after being a very successful NBA agent with arn't tell

674
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: him originally out of out of college, Uh, there were

675
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: relationships that you can build, you can foster that can

676
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: help set up the rest of your life. And that's

677
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: why I think we are devaluing the college education a

678
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: little bit right now. And a lot of these discussions

679
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: that we're having, well, I think what happens is when

680
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: you and I say college education, people think of like

681
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: the classroom, and one the classrooms actually changed in which

682
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: we went there where I do think that a lot

683
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: of the things they teach now are more useful instead

684
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: of some of the things that we're taught then. But

685
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: it's it's about the the experiences you have the people

686
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: you mean first, like just getting into u c LA,

687
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: Like you were a very good student, you probably would

688
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: have gotten your own right, but like j R. Wouldn't have.

689
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: Chris Johnson, he was a good student, but might not have.

690
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: Baron wouldn't have Like doesn't matter. Like people don't understand

691
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: how hard it is to get into u c l A,

692
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: especially when you're from the state of California. They want

693
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Speaker 1: foreign money. So just just getting in has a value.

694
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Speaker 1: Going to the school has a value because you're in

695
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Speaker 1: terms of your this is post tax. It's expensive, but

696
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: all right. But the the other value is the experience

697
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: and the people that you're a sound and you're like

698
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: you remember the u c l A family that extends

699
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: that extends to all the basketball people, all the coaches,

700
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: all the people in entertainment, and you're in Los Angeles

701
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: where like again, like if you're part of the you're

702
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Speaker 1: part of the u c l A family. Like I

703
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Speaker 1: just I don't understand that so many of the people

704
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Speaker 1: that have been through the same system like you and

705
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: I have don't have a real appreciation for the doors

706
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: that they both like. Look, I I had Billis on

707
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: the pod last year and I think he's great and

708
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: he's become a close friend. But I'm I'm just like, look, dude,

709
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: all you do guys, So if you didn't go to Duke,

710
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have these jobs. You just wouldn't. It doesn't

711
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: mean you're a great player, doesn't mean you're not a

712
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: good guy, to mean you're not good with the English language.

713
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Speaker 1: But there's a reason that Duke is such a powerful brand.

714
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: It creates your brand and helps build you up. That's

715
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: why there's so many do guys on TV now. There's

716
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: there's no question that my experiences at U c l

717
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: A literally opened the door to being a college coach

718
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: into the TV world. And I talked about the college ucation.

719
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times right now we are

720
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: we are in the get to the end result as

721
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: quickly as possible to have a situation. Look, I'm in

722
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Speaker 1: favor of guys getting drafted r out of high school.

723
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel about that. I think

724
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Speaker 1: if you're good enough to go out of high school, go,

725
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: do you want to get paid? Go? But if you

726
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: oft into the college system, you're going to to gain

727
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: a lot of experiences through that. There's a young soccer player,

728
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: female soccer player, name is Olivia Bultree. And I don't

729
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: know if you've talked about her at all, Tug or

730
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: no about her. She's thirteen years old. She was going

731
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: she was already committed by the way to UH to

732
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Speaker 1: go to North Carolina. She now can't go to North Carolina.

733
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Speaker 1: She signed a marketing deal with Wasserman through Nike. She's

734
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: been in a couple of Nike commercials that were shown

735
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: during the World Cup, and she's now trying to play

736
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,919
Speaker 1: professionally even though she can't technically play professionally because she's

737
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: not old enough and she's part of the thorns up

738
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: in Portland, Like, you know, how many experiences she's missing,

739
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: never mind the development and the maturity aspect of life.

740
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: Were going to play in college? Okay, she's not even

741
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: having a high school experience. She's not going to homecoming,

742
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: Like I think we're missing the we're so at the

743
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Speaker 1: end result of do they deserve money and should guys

744
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: get paid more? You know, was Zion? How much money

745
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: did Zion make this year? People forget that coming into

746
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: the year, RT Barrett was the guy we're all talking about,

747
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: was gonna be the number one pick a lot of

748
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: money by playing for She just had to wait until

749
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: he could cash in on it. The same could be

750
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: said for Trey Young the previous year. We're talking about

751
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayton, we were talking about Marvin Bagley, we were

752
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: talking about Michael Porter Jr. You didn't come into the

753
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: college basketball season being like man, Tray Young, He's gonna

754
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: like this place on fire early and we're gonna make

755
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: him the face of the no he did. He earned that.

756
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 1: And then subsequently, even though he did not get paid

757
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: while he was at Oklahoma, when he went and decided

758
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: to be pro, he was able to cash in on

759
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: that eight month investment that he made in himself by

760
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: playing in the college game. There is a brand recognition

761
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: and a household name I don't remember, and people talking

762
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 1: about the G League. And again, if you want to

763
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: go get paid, go get paid. If you want to

764
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Speaker 1: be r J Hampton and go to New Zealand, do

765
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: it great, don't make money awesome for you. I don't

766
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Speaker 1: know how many highlights we're gonna see off r J

767
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: this year on television. I don't. I know that we're

768
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: going to see a tonne of highlights of the cash

769
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: of Stanley at Duke. I know we're gonna see a

770
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: ton of highlights of you know, guys like Nico Mannon

771
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: at Arizona. We're gonna see a Cole Anthony in North Carolina.

772
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna see a ton of highlights of those guys,

773
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: and those guys are gonna become household names here in

774
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: about four months as soon as the season gets going.

775
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: I agree with you, I just we we do this thing.

776
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: My thing about the draft of a high school deal

777
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: is I just they're all gonna go, Like they're just

778
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: all gonna go, and then that's fine. Then if they

779
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,959
Speaker 1: make a bad decision, they make a bad decision, we can't.

780
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: You can't protect people from making a bad decision. But

781
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I don't think it

782
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: impact the brand of college basketball. College basketball will survive

783
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: just as it did when guys like Kobe and Martin stottomeyer.

784
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: But it wasn't there, It wasn't the I understand. I think, Look,

785
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: I just think you keep it as is, and if

786
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: guys want to go to the G League, they can.

787
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: They want to go overseas, they can, Like I don't

788
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: understand this, the like right, like, you can go right

789
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: to the G League. You can go right there and

790
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: play for a year. They don't want to because what's

791
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: gonna happen is there declare and they're all gonna go,

792
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: and they're all gonna be in the G League and

793
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: some of them will want a lot of them wash

794
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: out and we won't talk about it. We'll only talk

795
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: about the ones that made it. And that's and that's

796
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: those are the stories that get relayed to those guys.

797
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: I mean, think about the second round picks of the

798
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: Draymonds and whatever who have made it. Those are ones

799
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: we talk about. You look at that those drafts and

800
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: there's you know, two or three of those guys that

801
00:38:54,800 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: are still in the NBA. So uh, ipect that would

802
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: you rather be on a bus traveling to playing in

803
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: some small facility like South Dakota Or would you rather

804
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: fly on the charter staying at the best hotels in

805
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: the world, playing on ESPN in the SEC and being

806
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: part of Kentucky. It's not not comport and by and

807
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: by the and by the way, like you might be

808
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: on that bus anyway when you get done, So like enjoy,

809
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: just enjoy. We we we take the joy out of basketball.

810
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: We take the joy out of playing with guys your

811
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: age and because we we, like you said, we're all

812
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: about like how much did you get paid? Like how

813
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: much am I going to get paid? How much am

814
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: I going to gain in terms of experience. I'll just

815
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: tell you this. I played minor league basketball, played USB

816
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Speaker 1: L C B A I B A A B A

817
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: and there's no question the basketball, the talent was, skill

818
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: was better than college basketball. It was not fun, you know,

819
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: waiting for checks, living in a hotel, traveling on buses. Uh,

820
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: twenty dollars day pretty m no thanks, like no thanks,

821
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: and um, I just I'm not sure there's the right

822
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 1: people explaining this to those guys. They only again see

823
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: and results and look, it's better now because now some

824
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: of them training the same facility, but they don't practice

825
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: that much. They're not getting nearly the number of game reps.

826
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: They're not being coached, you know, to be G League

827
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: coaches for the most part, are guys that have are

828
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: trying to get their first head coaching gig. Many of

829
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: them are young, some of them high school coaches. It

830
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're bad coaches, but like, look, you could

831
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: play for tom Izzo, you could play for Cal, you

832
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: could you know, you could play for Showsky, you could

833
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: play for Bill self, or you can play for a

834
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: guy who's literally never been a head coach before, just

835
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: because you want to get those NBA socks, right, Like,

836
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense and we're we're I just were.

837
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: I do think it's going to hurt college basketball substantially.

838
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: I see. I think the guys that will come will

839
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: continue to grow. I think they'll continue to develop. We'll

840
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: any of people to talk about ensure what if if

841
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: they when the rule changes and guys get to go

842
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: straight out of high school that do believe that's going

843
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: to happen in the next c B A, um that

844
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: that we're gonna lose you know, probably six to seven

845
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: on average, top six and seven. If more than that leaves,

846
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: then they're getting really bad advice. And again we can

847
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: talk about the angel Collins of the world who made

848
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: the decision to declare instead of go to college and

849
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: then we've never heard of since. Um, that's gonna happen.

850
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: And you can't protect people from making bad decisions, but

851
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: what you can do is to give them the opportunity.

852
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: And I think opportunities should be there, just as it

853
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: is right now to go to the G League, just

854
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: as it is right now to go overseas. If you're

855
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: gonna give them that opportunity and give me the opportunity

856
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: to play in the NBA, I mean, it's it's not

857
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: gonna make it's not going to make that big of

858
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: a difference, at least from from my perspective. And I

859
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: think the college game has endured. I think the pageantry

860
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: of it, the the environments that you go to, whether

861
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: it's you know, you could call a game at Butler,

862
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: call a game at Outfield House, call a game at Cameron,

863
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: I mean call a game at Rup. And I know

864
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: you've been in all those places, Doug. Those are special environments.

865
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: That's not going to change your Your favorite place you

866
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: ever been is what where Allen field House? Allen Field House.

867
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: First time I went to Allen Field House and and

868
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: part of the reason is that my my father in

869
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: law and passed away in November, went with me when

870
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: I did that game. And just to listen to the

871
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: rock chalk pageantry of it, to see the rules of

872
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: the game of basketball. Uh, to walk through that that

873
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 1: center area that has all that rich history of everything

874
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: that is KU basketball. I just think that is a

875
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: spectacular environment to to be it. And if if you

876
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: like college basketball and you go there and you don't

877
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 1: fall in love with it, walking out, like I don't

878
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: think you have a heartbeat. You know, Cameron's great. Uh,

879
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: the Kennel is great up in Spokane. That's one of

880
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: my favorite places to call a game as well, because

881
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: the students just bring it every single night. It's the

882
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: environments that have the best student bodies that make the

883
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: college invironments that the best, and then you combine it,

884
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, I I do think Butler Kansas UM. You know,

885
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: do you know they're like cathedrals, and how they're built

886
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: the kind of the classic plest classic architecture as well

887
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: kind of helps. And then you add in the students

888
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: and and and great teams and gets it makes it

889
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: more amazing. All right. Least favorite place, Ah, I have

890
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: to think about that. I mean, because honestly, you know

891
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: you've been through all the big ten places. Those are

892
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: all great. I mean Northwestern, northwesterns new places awesome. I

893
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: don't know if you've been, but they're in there are

894
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: new places amazing. It was still packed. It was a

895
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: bad high school, Jim. They're they're new place. Honestly, might

896
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: be my favorite new place. Like it's perfect, it's perfect. Um,

897
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: I'd have to I'd have to think about that, like

898
00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: in the SEC, like everybody's pretty good. Like that's I've

899
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: spent a lot of my last four years, you know,

900
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: College Station. Even when I was at College Station a

901
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: couple of years ago when when Ben Simons showed up,

902
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: I mean that placed fire Marshal how to kick people out.

903
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was insane. Um. You know,

904
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 1: I've had to think. You know, like Rent Events Center

905
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: is a great for Irvine, you know, I mean I

906
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: mean that those are those you know, I don't do

907
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: a lot of games there anymore, but like calling the games,

908
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: they're like that wasn't great. Firestone Field House is pretty

909
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: low on the list, like that Pepperdine death. See, I

910
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: think Pepper nine is like one of the all time

911
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: overrated schools because when you ask people about let me,

912
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: let'll explain my my logic pining, okay, because I went

913
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: to Jim Herricks camp back when he's the coach at

914
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: Pepper nine. I mean you had to walk up and

915
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: down that damn hill to go to the stairs to

916
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: go to to go to eat lunch. But it has

917
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: a great view. But it's not on the beach, right,

918
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: there's like the colonies over there. So you have the street,

919
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: you have pc H, and then you have houses like

920
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: you know whereas you see Santa Barbara, you literally have

921
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: arms on the beach the school. I would agree with

922
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: you on that. And and honestly, here was the thing

923
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: about Firestone, especially when the locker rooms were really bad. UM.

924
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 1: The facility is not great in the in the location

925
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: where it is on campus, parking is a bear for

926
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: people to come to the games. Nobody really wants to

927
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: go to the games. A lot of the local people

928
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: don't get out. UM. Even that was when the team

929
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: was really good. I mean, I was coaching me at

930
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: the year after they beat Indiana and ended Bob Knight's

931
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: career at Indiana. UM and we had we had all

932
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: those guys back, Brandon Armstrong, that suet UM, Craig Lewis

933
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: like that was that was a really good team, and

934
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: we still struggled to get people to come watch games UM.

935
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: And I think I think to me, that's that's a

936
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: big part of it. You've got to be able to

937
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: your student body makes up the environment. As I said earlier,

938
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: you've got to you've gotta have people that are there,

939
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: and then the facility has to be have a have

940
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: a great feel. And I think that's one area where

941
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: Hepper dying desperately. And I think Lorenzo remarks working on it,

942
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: trying to get a new facility something else there uh

943
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: that that they can take better pride in because that

944
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: facility we used to train and work out downstairs underneath it,

945
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: which because there's no student rec center, is the exact

946
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: same place where students are working out, and our players

947
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: would have to wait to get on machines as a

948
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: student was finishing up. That's that's that's that's amazing. Okay

949
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: you are. I've done a lot of things that the

950
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: American Cancer Society. You've done probably even more. You host

951
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: the event Lan Cruger's event in Vegas. UM, and you're

952
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: putting on a a youth basketball tournament this weekend at

953
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: what at Mamba at Mamba Sports Academy out in Thousand Oaks, California.

954
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: And Doug, you and I have shared our own experiences

955
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: that you lost your father obviously, UM. I lost my

956
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: father in law November after fourteen years UH. And the

957
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,959
Speaker 1: call to to try to help and coaches versus Cancer

958
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: is a great organization, American Kansas Society. And I've been

959
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: part of Long's event for five years now hosting that.

960
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: I've been part of the Nashville event now for the

961
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: last three years UH and watched that event grow UH.

962
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: And last year I ride a tournament with Russell White,

963
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: who just took the job at Cal lou to be

964
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 1: their head basketball coach from Crespy UH and we hosted

965
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: an eighteen tournament. We raised about nineteen thousand dollars UH.

966
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: This year, we we've moved it to Mamba. The expenses

967
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: obviously go up when you years in a facility like that,

968
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: and thank thankfully, the Mamba Sports Foundation donated a couple

969
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: of the courts for the entire weekend for us, and

970
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: we've got to pick up the charge on the rest

971
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: of them. But we've got thirty two teams lined up

972
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: for this weekend UH and and some great raffle prizes

973
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: that will be given out, and I've got one that's

974
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 1: available online if people go to my Twitter at Shawn

975
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: Farnham you can see it. We've got to night State

976
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: at the MGM Grand two Lower Bowl tickets for the

977
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: Utah Kentucky game at T Mobile Arena, obviously at the

978
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: paper your own airfare and travel there, But a ten

979
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: dollar donation to the link that's on my Twitter page, UH,

980
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: and that that puts your name in the hopper. For

981
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: every ten dollar if you donate, your name goes in

982
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: the hopper. And we're gonna pull that on Sunday and

983
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: rapa away that item. I've got a couple of other

984
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: items that we're going to be given away at the

985
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: venue this weekend, including a v I P experience at

986
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: Poulic Pavilion that used to have Life Department donated to

987
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: court side seats for the U c l A Denver game,

988
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: as well as valet parking as well as Pavilion club

989
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: tickets to be able to get food and drinks before

990
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: the game and at half time. And we're trying to

991
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna be base somewhere. I think realistically,

992
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 1: I put it at sixty THO. I think we're gonna

993
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: probably come closer about thirty. Um, but that's mainly because

994
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: of expenses, and it's it's a year of growth for

995
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: what we're trying to do. But this is gonna be

996
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: something that I do annually. And I'm naming the brackets

997
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: after people that are close to me, uh, that have

998
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: lost their fight with cancer or battling cancer right now. Um.

999
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: And we're we're gonna we're gonna name each division. It's

1000
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 1: not gonna be like a twelve you, thirteen you. Yeah,

1001
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: the teams are gonna be those age groups, but we're

1002
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: gonna have it and bios are going to be up

1003
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: next to those brackets so that people understand what we're

1004
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: doing and what we're trying to help and what we're

1005
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: trying to accomplish. Here. Too many of these tournaments, and Doug,

1006
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 1: you know it, they're they're making a ton of money

1007
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: for people, and that's great. Profitability and being successful in

1008
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: life is awesome, but sometimes not taking a dime and

1009
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: and really teaching kids like, hey, you can use this

1010
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: game to give back and help others. And that's that's

1011
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: been the most important aspect over the last two years

1012
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: for me, in trying to develop something where I feel like,

1013
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: at least I'm trying to do my part. It's awesome.

1014
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: I will commit to putting my teams in it next year.

1015
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: We just based on the timing with the summer and

1016
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, the schools in set in Orange County, some

1017
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: of them don't start until September. So I just don't

1018
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: feel like like I don't go out there and get

1019
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: smashed with my twelve years. You know, we don't work, Dug.

1020
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna get you next year.

1021
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 1: And we're gonna also look to move the dates because

1022
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: we run into some issues with some of the teams

1023
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: have been like, hey, we'd love to comb but this

1024
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: is a down period for us. And I was like, okay, hey,

1025
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: then I gotta work with some other people. And luckily

1026
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: because the relationships guys like Ryan Silver do West Coast Elite, Uh,

1027
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: guys like Max Piner who does O g P Uh,

1028
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: We're we're gonna We're gonna talk to them and try

1029
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: to figure out a weekend or we're not going head

1030
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: to head against one of their events. Yeah, they have

1031
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: a big O g P as one this weekend. Yeah,

1032
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: so we're gonna try to We're gonna try to avoid

1033
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: going head to head in the future, um and try

1034
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: to find a way that we can really maximize this

1035
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: and raise as much money as we possibly can. Awesome stuff.

1036
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: Follow Sean on Twitter. Um, let me give you your's

1037
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: your Twitter handle here, Sean A Sean Farham Okay at

1038
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: Sean Farm. I have the ad Doug Gottli, but I

1039
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: don't know the password and I don't know how to

1040
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: get it. That was one back when I was the ESPN.

1041
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: So I do add Gottlieb show. So um and if

1042
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: you want to get in on those, you go to

1043
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: his website and you can get in on those door prizes,

1044
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: or you can simply donate straight away to the American

1045
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: Cancer Society Coaches Versus Cancer. Farny, you're doing great stuff man,

1046
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: Happy that you're happy with your family. Keep it up

1047
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: on ESPN, getting keeping everybody in line and get up

1048
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: and thanks for joining me, No problem, dog, It's always

1049
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,399
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1050
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1051
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1052
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,120
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