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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Markets Podcast. I'm Paul Sweeney alongside

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Speaker 1: on Veronica Willis. She's a vice president investment strategy analysts

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Speaker 1: at the Wells Fargo Investment Institute. Franca, I'm guessing you're

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Speaker 1: having some I guess interesting calls with your clients here

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Speaker 1: as these markets sell off here and uh during this

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Speaker 1: first four and a half months of two gives a

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Speaker 1: sense of kind of what your clients are asking you

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Speaker 1: and maybe wait, wait what you're telling them? Absolutely, you're right.

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Speaker 1: We get calls all the time really concerned about inflation.

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Speaker 1: Have we seen the peak in inflation? What are we

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Speaker 1: expecting to happen with inflation? And then also, you know,

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Speaker 1: what should I do as a client when fox are

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Speaker 1: down and bonds are down together? Where can I go?

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Speaker 1: And so I'll kind of start off with looking at inflation.

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Speaker 1: It might be a little bit too early to tell

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Speaker 1: whether or not inflation is peeped. With cp I we

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Speaker 1: saw a little bit of a slowdown from the previous month.

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Speaker 1: The same with p p I, but both a little

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Speaker 1: bit higher than what analysts were expecting, and so that's

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Speaker 1: something we really want to watch really closely with those increases,

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Speaker 1: especially in the services areas where inflation might be a

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Speaker 1: little stickier than many of us expected. And so inflation

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Speaker 1: is something we're watching closely over the next eighteen months.

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Speaker 1: We think inflation can remain um above those long term

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Speaker 1: That's next year, Paul, I know where we're thinking about.

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Speaker 1: We're thinking about next year, and you know, we really

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Speaker 1: want to try the guy our clients to that longer

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Speaker 1: term perspective, especially if they're in longer term plans, to

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Speaker 1: not make rash decisions because of the short term volatility

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Speaker 1: and to really stick to that long term plan. Well,

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Speaker 1: recently in our vice, our allocation advice, we've brought a

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Speaker 1: little bit more neutral with our stocks. If you have

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Speaker 1: if you have a longer term perspective Veronica um and

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Speaker 1: you're worried about inflation that far out do you, you know,

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Speaker 1: start getting into stocks now, assuming you just hold out

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Speaker 1: or start adding to your position now if you've already

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Speaker 1: got it just because you have a longer term position. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we've taken a lot of pain, but and and there

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Speaker 1: may be more to come. Um, but do you think

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Speaker 1: stocks are a good way to head against inflation? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what we've been telling our clients. If you've

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Speaker 1: got a targeted allocation to your equities, you want to

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Speaker 1: these down terms. If you're a long term investor, you

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Speaker 1: really want to make sure that you've got that allocation

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Speaker 1: when markets start to recover, you're able to recover quickly

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Speaker 1: and not be over allocated in the less risky areas

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Speaker 1: like bonds. And it's hard to weather that short term volatility,

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Speaker 1: but if you're thinking out to that long term, you've

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Speaker 1: allocation is set up so that you can, you know,

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Speaker 1: recover quickly when markets eventually upswing right and Veronica, what's

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Speaker 1: the Wells Fargo economic call? Are you guys calling for

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Speaker 1: a recession? Because I'm sure you know a lot of

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Speaker 1: folks are concerned that maybe this federal reserve may go

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Speaker 1: about that? Here in the US, we are expecting economic

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Speaker 1: our base case is slowing economic growth, but we're acknowledging

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Speaker 1: that the risks of the recession are rising. It's something

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Speaker 1: seen weakening consumer sentiment not yet spill over into weakening

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Speaker 1: we've seen in crypto? How much does it matter to

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Speaker 1: right now, we don't have any kind of recommended allocations

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Speaker 1: guess a lot of folks are saying, you know, stagflation

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Speaker 1: so we got you got inflation, which we do. You

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Speaker 1: question we've gotten sometimes just what will you know the

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Speaker 1: slow growth and this higher inflation. Mean, we do recognize

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Speaker 1: the flowing and economic growth. All right, ron Kay, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. Appreciate getting your thoughts

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Speaker 1: here on these markets. Ronica willis investment strategy analyst at

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Speaker 1: Wells Fargo Investment Institute. Check out with Robert Teater, head

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Speaker 1: of Investment Policy and Strategy Group at Silver Crest Asset Management. Robert,

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Speaker 1: you know in the wall of worry that is out there,

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Speaker 1: there are increasing number of bricks here, most recently, I guess,

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Speaker 1: geopolitical risk. Are there any positive science out there that

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Speaker 1: might support this market at some point? I think that's

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Speaker 1: a great question. There are a massive number of bricks

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Speaker 1: other words, they're pretty well known. But I think the

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Speaker 1: most important item to crack some of this downside momentum

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Speaker 1: is is solving some of those problems and solving some

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Speaker 1: of those bricks. And the and the most important of

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Speaker 1: all the bricks, of course, is inflation. And so that's

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Speaker 1: where we take a bit of a deeper. I've and say,

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Speaker 1: you know, what's going on with these metrics and inflation,

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Speaker 1: you seeing glimmers of hope? Yes, there there aren't a lot.

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Speaker 1: So from the very beginning of the inflation problem, we've

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Speaker 1: then to the question of is it's spreading, We've done

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Speaker 1: do you think about the FEDS ability, Robert to to

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Speaker 1: So what is an investor to do right now? Especially

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Speaker 1: those clouds will start parting. And I think what we

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Speaker 1: the downside to really build? And again, in my mind,

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Speaker 1: there's really only two ways to break that downside momentum.

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Speaker 1: One is to see some improvement in inflation, the biggest

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Speaker 1: think the earnings backdrop is good. So either of those

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Speaker 1: It's a pretty challenging and unpredictable environment right now. Do

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Speaker 1: you like any alternative assets? I mean, with your hedge

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Speaker 1: I got the tunnel grill. I mean, there's so many

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Speaker 1: cool things, especially that you can add to ominal fashioned stock.

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Speaker 1: Guy when I buy an imp and I see, uh,

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Speaker 1: like day one when they're when when they can, like

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Speaker 1: ribbyan staff. What does the company say about that? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: biggest one at a time where it was still revenue

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Speaker 1: still distant volume revenue sales were actually soften. They expecting

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Speaker 1: on enterprise value. Superstar car analyst, right, superstar car analyst.

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Speaker 1: And he was like, guys, the market has no patients

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Speaker 1: for companies like yours who are burning through cash. Ribbyan's

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that not we v makers are equal.

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Speaker 1: they don't have seventeen billion dollars of cash. The concern

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Speaker 1: the management was scale, scale brings profit. We've got a beautiful,

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Speaker 1: I've been there. Thousands of built trucks are on the

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Speaker 1: lot waiting for delivery. They just fledgling working out the logistics.

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Speaker 1: I like the suv uh, the enclosed suv version, rather

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