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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to the Almost In his podcast today,

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Speaker 2: I'm joined by Ben Higgins in my dad's office.

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Speaker 3: He's he's in DC.

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Speaker 2: For work, and I am here at Doctor's pointment. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm here once a month, and we're so excited because

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Speaker 2: today Ben gets to like he.

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Speaker 3: Gets to come over to my childhood home hang out.

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Speaker 2: We're going to go to dinner after this, but first

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Speaker 2: we have to of course go over headlines.

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Speaker 4: This is a really fun place to visit.

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Speaker 5: I've seen this office on video manytime, but never been

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Speaker 5: It is a beautiful spot out here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm here for Project Hope.

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Speaker 5: I haven't talked about Project Hope lot, but if you

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Speaker 5: don't know about Project Hope, check it out. It's one

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Speaker 5: of the leading healthcare and disastery leaf organizations in the

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Speaker 5: country right now. And I've gotten to be on the

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Speaker 5: board now for going on three and a half years,

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Speaker 5: and so I'm out here for board meetings. Stopped over

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Speaker 5: to have dinner with this incredible family and also talk

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Speaker 5: bachelor headlines and here they are. Gary Turner appears on

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Speaker 5: The k Kardashians find out what happened when he met

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Speaker 5: the famous family. Okay, I actually before we start here,

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Speaker 5: I saw some clips this week. Yeah, these are absolutely wild.

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Speaker 5: I'm talking about the clips of Chris Jenner talking about

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Speaker 5: Gary It. I don't feel like it's a good look

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Speaker 5: for him. But break down this and then I'll tell

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Speaker 5: you why I feel that way.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's very interesting. So I knew like that this

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Speaker 2: was such a It's such cross promotion for Hulu because ABC, Disney,

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Speaker 2: Hulu they're all tied together. And for the past couple

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Speaker 2: of seasons of the Kardashians they have been They've been

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Speaker 2: always dropping the bachelor name. There's always like, oh this episode,

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Speaker 2: are you gonna be the Bachelorette?

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Speaker 3: Or Rob Mills that or you know, blah.

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Speaker 2: Blah blah, time out, time out? Is it because Chris

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Speaker 2: has always been a fan, as you know, because she

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Speaker 2: was on your apt show.

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Speaker 5: My question is who needs who more? The Bachelor needs

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Speaker 5: the Kardashians or the Kardashians need the Bachelor.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know Hulu ratings. I wonder who does.

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Speaker 2: It's probably pretty mutually beneficial, okay, and it's probably a

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Speaker 2: lot of the same crossover audience. Well, Anyway, I knew

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Speaker 2: from the beginning of this season that this is going

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Speaker 2: to be this silly kind of bit where Gary comes up.

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Speaker 2: This is I'm truly truly jealous about this. Gary went

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Speaker 2: over to Chris's house or was Kendall's house or one

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Speaker 2: of their houses to have a watch party with them. Like, Gary,

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Speaker 2: that is big for him, I think, so huge. Could

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Speaker 2: you imagine, like you don't even care about the Kardashian

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Speaker 2: you like going over to one of their houses.

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Speaker 5: I hosted a show with Chris, you hosted a show

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Speaker 5: with it and after show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's like her coming to the studio is

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Speaker 2: different than you walking into a Kardashian home.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, fair enough, Okay, Well, so what happens?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So the big teaser on this season that

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Speaker 2: the Kardashians I actually haven't watched this past episode I've

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Speaker 2: watched one and two, is that he comes over for

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Speaker 2: the watch party and Kendall sees on his phone Teresa's

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Speaker 2: name or a picture of her come up. I think

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Speaker 2: it was her name and his contacts. And she even

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Speaker 2: says she's like, what I saw it? You know, I've

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Speaker 2: not to just see this, And so Chris and Kendall.

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Speaker 2: He admitted to them, but they had to keep it

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Speaker 4: Okay, so do you love the Kardashians as much as

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Speaker 4: you used to?

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Speaker 2: That's such an interesting question because my sister, my best friend,

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Speaker 2: and I were talking about that exact question two days ago.

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Speaker 2: I do, but they are feeling like they're over them.

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Speaker 5: Here's my point to when I started this whole conversation

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Speaker 5: with Gary about Gary was there's a clip where Chris

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Speaker 5: Jenner is talking about how Gary was eyeing her like.

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Speaker 5: There's a clip that was shown where she says, Gary

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Speaker 5: stopped looking at that meat that way. I'm marry Gary.

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Speaker 2: But she's not married, but she has been for ten years.

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Speaker 5: So I don't think it's a good look for Gary

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Speaker 5: because that's kind of been the.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I really wish I had watched this

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Speaker 2: episode before chatting about this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, so there's a lot to this. There's the fact

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Speaker 2: They go, Okay, Gary, what happened in the fantasy suites?

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Speaker 2: And he got very candid, saying that I'm happy with

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Speaker 2: the overnights because if you spend five weeks getting to

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Speaker 2: know women, yet everything you say and do is recorded,

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Speaker 2: you're dying to get that overnight where you can ask

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Speaker 2: them questions without an audience. And then Chris and Kendall

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Speaker 2: also asked Gary to share what he learned about himself

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Speaker 2: while filming the show, and he said, I get emotional

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Speaker 3: Every roast ceremony was difficult, awful. I was lost, so yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then they're like, you're just so smart, You're such

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Speaker 3: an emotionally intelligent guy. And he's like, I'm not that smart.

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Speaker 3: I'm just old. And they had dinner.

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Speaker 5: It was like crazy, well, okay to before we move

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Speaker 5: on to the next story.

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Speaker 4: I was always told that there was something that.

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Speaker 5: Happened in the Fantasy Suites that changed Gary's mind. That

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Speaker 5: was always kind of the behind the scenes story that

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Speaker 5: was being told to me. I don't know what that was,

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Speaker 5: and they never really showed it, but something happened in

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Speaker 5: the Fantasy Suites for Gary that changed his mind.

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Speaker 3: And den is not going to start rumors now.

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Speaker 5: I'll start all the rumors I've never gotten Beta Brush,

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Speaker 5: are you kidding me.

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Speaker 4: This listens on this podcast went way up. I'll start

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Speaker 4: any rumor.

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Speaker 2: Needed, but referring to that rumor that he that he

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Speaker 2: heard that Gary and Teresa's problems started when she landed

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Speaker 2: in in ye, you.

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Speaker 4: Didn't even know the name of my home states.

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Speaker 3: Like Indiana. I'm a out.

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Speaker 5: No, I'll just when I start a roomer, I'll just

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Speaker 5: preface it with this is a rumor, and then I'll

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Speaker 5: tell it all right, anyways, this is not a rumor.

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Speaker 5: Caitlin Bristow and Zach Clark recently spotted at wedding together,

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Speaker 5: this according to US Weekly.

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Speaker 3: So there's that.

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Speaker 4: Are they still okay? So well actually okay.

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Speaker 2: So I'm obviously not going to like text Caitlin and

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Speaker 2: how's it going.

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Speaker 3: With that rumored guy that you've been seeing?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but then you couldn't share it here.

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Speaker 2: I would never share it here, right, But now we

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Speaker 2: have a little confirmation that we could talk about publicly

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Speaker 3: They've been spotted at a wedding.

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Speaker 2: It was not this past weekend last weekend, and they

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Speaker 2: haven't really been seen out and about since. Like, there

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Speaker 2: That's some girls they like snapped photos of and put

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Speaker 2: it on TikTok. But that's that's all we really have here.

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Speaker 5: Here's my here's my take on this to then transition in.

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Speaker 5: At this point, we have to assume that Zach Clark

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Speaker 5: and Caitlin Bristow are hanging out, like, I don't know

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Speaker 5: this personally. I've not been confirmed this personally. I will

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Speaker 5: say that I don't know this personally. She's never told

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Speaker 5: me that. But they have yet to hard launch soft law,

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Speaker 5: I mean soft launch each other.

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Speaker 2: Well, didn't Kaitlyn say in our podcast She's like, I'm

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Speaker 2: never going to launch anyone unless, like I know, I'm

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Speaker 2: about to get married to them like tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, fair enough, good quote.

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Speaker 5: But we can assume here and say here, I will

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Speaker 5: put my name behind it, and Kitln Bristow can text

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Speaker 5: me again. Caitlin Bristow and Zach Clark are having some

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Speaker 5: type of either relationship or friendship or situationship.

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Speaker 4: They've been together too.

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Speaker 5: Many times in the last few months for them not

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Speaker 5: to be considered something. Of course, lace Morris opens up

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Speaker 5: reveals that she's ready to date again. Now, Ashley, we

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Speaker 5: interviewed Lace. If you haven't listened to the episode, I

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Speaker 5: do think it's important to listen to because I do

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Speaker 5: think we get some nuggets in that interview with her

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Speaker 5: that lead to this conversation today.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, totally so.

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Speaker 2: She did a Q and A on Instagram, which is

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Speaker 2: basically a short form of the interview we did with her.

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Speaker 2: But she just confirms that it hasn't been great, you know,

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Speaker 2: not having a child with somebody that she's no longer with.

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Speaker 2: She said that she's doing very well physically and mentally now,

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Speaker 3: Some days are rough.

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Speaker 2: She said that she is not thinking about dating because Liam,

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Speaker 4: She also because he knows.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, she just she's just like ready to

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Speaker 3: However, the dad is in his life.

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Speaker 2: It's not like he has abandoned the fan of the family,

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Speaker 2: just he's in the baby's life minimally, like.

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Speaker 3: You might see him like once a week. She's obviously

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Speaker 5: He feels importan at this point, it feels like something

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Speaker 5: that's that's obvious. Bachelor Nation's Rachel Lindsay regrets not getting

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Speaker 5: prenup agreement before marrying Season thirteen winner Brian absolutely a

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Speaker 5: mid messy divorce. Now Ashley again. I'll have a little

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Speaker 5: nugget here, Okay. I follow them both. Brian silent for years. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: he is all over Instagram? Now, oh really is post

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Speaker 3: I think I follow him?

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Speaker 4: Well, well, now I got a check. That's why are

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Speaker 4: you he is? He is out there doing his thing.

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Speaker 3: Let me see this, I think he Oh, I don't

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Speaker 3: follow him.

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Speaker 5: That's why doctor abs em downe there you know trademark

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Speaker 5: that that name?

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so interesting. All right.

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Speaker 2: So Natasha Parker has a new podcasts and she had

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Speaker 2: Rachel on and when talking about the ongoing divorce, which

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Speaker 2: she was pretty open about, Rachel says that a lot

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Speaker 2: of people are like, you're a lawyer, do you do

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Speaker 2: you have a pre nup? And she's like, I don't.

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Speaker 2: And then she goes on to explain the thought process

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Speaker 2: didn't that she didn't is because the place I'm in

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Speaker 2: now financially is totally different than when we got married.

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Speaker 2: We were more leveled then we weren't in California. That's

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Speaker 2: actually a really good point. She didn't really she didn't

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I think one of the big things too,

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Speaker 5: is I mean that's probably when why you get a prenup.

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Speaker 5: But with my with my wife and I, we would

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Speaker 4: It would have been a really hard conversation.

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Speaker 5: I think, I think there's avenues to do it that

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Speaker 2: Well, as she said, she goes, I didn't want it

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Speaker 5: I just don't think we can shame her for not

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Speaker 4: Like, I don't think we can be like, oh, you

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Speaker 5: It's like, no, like that you never expect this to

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Speaker 3: I know, unless you're like a Justin Bieber.

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Speaker 4: Exactly those cases, like one hundred percent. I get it.

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Speaker 5: But if you're like, we need to get a prenup,

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Speaker 5: I feel like you're you are projecting.

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Speaker 3: I totally agree.

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Speaker 2: I guess like entering it in yeah, like it's not

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Speaker 5: If somebody could hate on me a little bit and

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Speaker 4: A family trust or a large sum of money.

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Speaker 5: Please let me know, because I've always been confused on

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Speaker 2: I know, you know you talk to divorce lawyers, they

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Speaker 3: No, no, it's the most wonderful thing.

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Speaker 4: But it's just it's very You've talked to a lot

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Speaker 2: No, I'm thinking about this one time that I thought

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Speaker 2: It was I don't get a podcast and did was

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Speaker 4: Oh goodness. Yeah, okay, well that's enough of that.

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Speaker 5: Hey, but Natasha Parker shout out to her starting a

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Speaker 5: new podcast, great friend of this show and really cool

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Speaker 2: It was Yes, she's so great and we really have

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Speaker 4: That's a good point.

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Speaker 5: She got shot in the eye with aim with an

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's obviously fine.

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Speaker 4: All right, big headline here, This is a big.

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Speaker 2: Headline and how man we happy to get this person

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Speaker 5: Rachel Nance and John Henry Spurlock spark dating rumors and

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Speaker 2: This made me me seeing these pictures.

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Speaker 3: It made me like, oh, this.

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Speaker 2: alluding to it being a date because he like picked

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Speaker 2: soon The video went viral, raking.

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Speaker 3: In millions and millions of views.

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Speaker 2: Fans really excited daisies, commenting yo with hearts, So is

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Speaker 2: this a hard Fans are like, is this a hard launch?

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Speaker 3: We are still here for this.

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Speaker 2: We don't know, but we do know something that I

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Speaker 2: do think that we can say now, yea, he was

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Speaker 3: Go and work in Hawaii.

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Speaker 4: I think I think he announced it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he announced that he's working in Hawaii, and so

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Speaker 4: She lives there, well.

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Speaker 2: She lived in Maine, remember, but her family's from Hawaii,

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Speaker 3: You should move back to Hawaii.

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Speaker 4: You cannot get farther from.

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Speaker 2: Each other with un I'm thinking, you know, she was

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Speaker 5: I'm going to say it here, John Henry and Rachel

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Speaker 5: nance you're on watch. We're looking for a good, solid,

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I like to see it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but now we need to get Rachel on the podcast.

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Speaker 3: It's about time. I don't think she's really done too

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Speaker 5: Okay, almost famous producers, get Rachel on the show. Hey,

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Speaker 5: that's all the headlines we have for you today. We're

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Speaker 4: We're seeing more and more kind of teasers to it.

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Speaker 5: If you haven't listened to our episode kind of breaking

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Speaker 5: down the men in the most.

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Speaker 4: Respectful, carrying, considerate, knowledgeable.

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Speaker 5: Ways, you should go back and listen to that. It's

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Speaker 5: really worth it. You should listen to that. And then

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Speaker 5: obviously we'll have more Almost Famous podcasts coming out with

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Speaker 5: Rachel coming out soon. So until next time, I've Been Ben,

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