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Speaker 1: Wall with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, A bar Garcia, and
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Monday, November twenty second, twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: season seventeen, episode number sixty six. Welcome to the latest
Speaker 1: edition Over the Break, live from the SWBC Mortgage studios
Speaker 1: at the Star. I got Dave here in studio with me,
Speaker 1: got Amber here in studio with me. Nick enjoyed Kansas
Speaker 1: City so much that he decided to stay and so
Speaker 1: he's joining us remotely, and we're gonna let you know
Speaker 1: what we thought about that game yesterday. Cowboys lose nineteen
Speaker 1: to nine to the Kansas City Chiefs. Uh, they're they're
Speaker 1: third loss of the season, and we're gonna break it
Speaker 1: down for you guys. Um, how's abou doing today? All right? Derek?
Speaker 1: Is that is that what we'll get depinding one day?
Speaker 1: Because it wasn't that hard on you? What are we
Speaker 1: doing I'm in my cone of shame, Derek. That's how
Speaker 1: I'm doing. I'm sad man because you picked the wrong way,
Speaker 1: or just because you just know it's it's about so
Speaker 1: much more than that. It's what is it about? Dave?
Speaker 1: I believed, I believed, and I was wrong, and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm sad. So I'm and I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed because
Speaker 1: we just we talked about so much stuff last week
Speaker 1: that feels really stupid in retrospect, and I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to collect my feelings. Nick, I see you over there smirking.
Speaker 1: What are you sporking about the fact that Dave is
Speaker 1: well feeling like this in a hoodie now? It's just
Speaker 1: like I can't understand. And how is what's Dave's voice doing?
Speaker 1: Is he like really like like shamed here? Ashamed of
Speaker 1: the game. We've got my tail between my legs and
Speaker 1: talk like this for the rest of the show. Don't
Speaker 1: do that. Leave. I'm just I'm staying in Kansas City
Speaker 1: until I get a good game. I thought we get
Speaker 1: a good game. We didn't, So I'm just gonna stay
Speaker 1: until until we get one. So you're just gonna cover
Speaker 1: this next game from Kansas City. I'll Thanksgiving Day. That
Speaker 1: sounds like a winner. No, he's trying to say, Arkansas
Speaker 1: basketball is gonna play a good game tonight and then
Speaker 1: he can go home. Hopefully. Let's see maybe, maybe we'll see.
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's jump into this thing. Man, there's
Speaker 1: so many different things. And I saw you this morning
Speaker 1: walk in and we both just shook our heads like
Speaker 1: this was this was not great. Um. Here's the interesting
Speaker 1: thing though, And I heard this, this quote from Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy following the game, and the first thing I thought
Speaker 1: about is, Okay, we started having this conversation last week.
Speaker 1: I want to know what you guys think. Here was
Speaker 1: this quote. He says, we don't feel any less about
Speaker 1: ourselves as a football team team by any means. We
Speaker 1: were defeated, but we don't look at our team any
Speaker 1: differently than the way we walked in here tonight. You
Speaker 1: guys see it the same way or do you see
Speaker 1: this team differently? You go right ahead, Amber, let me
Speaker 1: let me hear what you have to say. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen you so far today. Well, like you said, we
Speaker 1: talked about it last week. You were talking about measuring
Speaker 1: stick and what this team this game could do for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and judging. And you know, initially I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: depending how they play this game, I'll have an opinion
Speaker 1: regardless of whether they lose or not. You know, even
Speaker 1: if they lost a game, I would be like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: they only got to fix this or that, maybe red
Speaker 1: zone and get better there, and that's it. Maybe the tug.
Speaker 1: No I walked out of that game, or I was
Speaker 1: on my couch. I got up my couch thinking like,
Speaker 1: are you freaking kidding me? Okay, no, I am not.
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna say a bad word, but are you
Speaker 1: freaking kidding me? I am tired of excuses. And I've
Speaker 1: been pretty pretty good this season, you know, because they've
Speaker 1: been playing well and everything. But once again we faced
Speaker 1: an opponent that is an opponent that has been in
Speaker 1: a championship, Tampa Bay. They were very very close, lost
Speaker 1: that game, played very well. But then you go up
Speaker 1: against a team like Kansas City and then they play
Speaker 1: that way regardless of what your defense was doing. Like
Speaker 1: when have you seen the defense Cowboys defense playing that
Speaker 1: way against a team like Kansas City. So the fact
Speaker 1: that that was the end result, and I'm tired and
Speaker 1: I get it. They didn't have Tyren Smith, lost City
Speaker 1: Lamb in the middle of the game, they didn't have
Speaker 1: Americ Hooper. I get it, But at what point are
Speaker 1: you done with excuses? What you know? You know you've
Speaker 1: done excuses which no one back to what you led
Speaker 1: with the McCarthy quote, and that stood out to me too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would be alarmed if he said anything else, because
Speaker 1: they I mean, they went up to Arrowhead. They looked
Speaker 1: like crap offensively, but the defense maybe played its best
Speaker 1: game of the year all things considered, like they considering
Speaker 1: the opponent, in the environment and what they got from
Speaker 1: definitely the best half if you look at the second
Speaker 1: half for sure. I mean, yeah, to hold them to
Speaker 1: three points after what it looked like the Chiefs we're
Speaker 1: gonna have a track meet in the first quarter, and
Speaker 1: so they play that well, you know Randy's coming to
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence is coming. You didn't have Tyrn and a
Speaker 1: Marie Cooper and so even though you look bad, you
Speaker 1: lose by ten to a super Bowl team in their house,
Speaker 1: Like if you were if you were just like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're frauds, we're scared, We're alarmed, Like that would alarm me,
Speaker 1: but to go along with what AG said, Like, even
Speaker 1: with all that stuff in the back of my mind,
Speaker 1: all I've been thinking about all day today is okay, cool,
Speaker 1: you didn't have Tyron Smith, he didn't have a Mariy Cooper,
Speaker 1: you lost CD Lamb. That helps explain this, But they
Speaker 1: did such a bad job of controlling what you can control.
Speaker 1: Like what is not having Tyrn or Amari you have
Speaker 1: to do with Dak airmailing Michael Gallop on the first
Speaker 1: play the game? What does it have to do with
Speaker 1: four combined drops from the backup receivers who had been
Speaker 1: having a great season. Cedric Wilson sparked them in Minnesota
Speaker 1: with a catch over the middle. Just doesn't show up yesterday.
Speaker 1: Dak again, terrible ball to CD in the end zone
Speaker 1: for the interception when you have a chance to kind
Speaker 1: of flip the script right before halftime. I'm probably blanking
Speaker 1: on some other things, but like the guys who were available,
Speaker 1: maybe you don't win if they play better, but you'd
Speaker 1: put a better showing out than that. Like maybe you
Speaker 1: lose that game nineteen to seventeen, and we're feeling like
Speaker 1: we did after the Bucks game, where you're like that's football.
Speaker 1: It's tough to win an arrowhead it's the Chiefs. But
Speaker 1: instead you're just like nobody showed up and it starts,
Speaker 1: I mean it starts with Dak for me, and nobody
Speaker 1: showed up and shoot the offensive line when Zack Martin's
Speaker 1: getting bullied by Chris Jones, I don't know what you're
Speaker 1: supposed to do. Hey, Nick, you see this team differently
Speaker 1: today than you did on set Sunday before the game? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. I see it differently just because until they
Speaker 1: show us that they can be an elite team. But
Speaker 1: they they had a chance. We talked about this as
Speaker 1: a showdown game, and they didn't do it. You know,
Speaker 1: they didn't show up. They didn't show up for this game.
Speaker 1: And I think Dave's right. We talked about it with Dak.
Speaker 1: I mean we talked last week. Should he be an
Speaker 1: MVP candidate and all that, And I hope that that's
Speaker 1: put to bed at least for a while because because
Speaker 1: he needs help, and there's nothing wrong with that. He
Speaker 1: is a great quarterback. I'm glad he's the quarterback of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. But he needs help. He needs his left tackle,
Speaker 1: he needs his receivers, He needs a healthy running back.
Speaker 1: They all do, and so he was. He couldn't just
Speaker 1: take Noah Brown and said, your Wilson in that line,
Speaker 1: and Tony Pollard couldn't take him to the finish line.
Speaker 1: That's okay, He'll have more help than this. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think this was a game that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: said we're ready to take that step. It was there
Speaker 1: in front of them and they didn't take it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with you, guys, because I think the thing
Speaker 1: about it is I don't think less of them today.
Speaker 1: There was just an opportunity for me to think more
Speaker 1: of them. And what I mean by that is we
Speaker 1: really hadn't seen them yet. We hadn't seen them yet
Speaker 1: in opportunities other than the first week to play a
Speaker 1: team that was in the upper echelon of teams in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Last night was our Yesterday was an opportunity
Speaker 1: for them to maybe get a win against one of
Speaker 1: those teams, and they didn't. And so what we know
Speaker 1: is what we still knew before the game, which is
Speaker 1: they can beat the middle of the road teams most
Speaker 1: of them. They can beat the bad teams some of them.
Speaker 1: They can route. What we don't know about the team
Speaker 1: is whether they compete yet against those upper echelon teams,
Speaker 1: and so far, the record says they can't. The record
Speaker 1: says that in both those opportunities they lost. This goes
Speaker 1: back to what I was saying last week, and that's
Speaker 1: why I was kind of doing that bit about feeling
Speaker 1: ashamed and embarrassed. Is like I just I thought one
Speaker 1: thing that we knew about this team is that they
Speaker 1: weren't gonna blink, you know. And again, like they played
Speaker 1: so well in Tampa, you know, like adversity. They're trailing
Speaker 1: for most of the first half. They got some defensive
Speaker 1: lapses that put them in the hole, and they just
Speaker 1: keep coming back and coming back, and the game's never
Speaker 1: over and Dak takes him down. You lose Tom Brady
Speaker 1: at the gun. What are you gonna do? You know?
Speaker 1: But here and again, like I get it, they don't
Speaker 1: have guys, but like, there were plays to be made
Speaker 1: that would have made you feel better. Dak averaged five
Speaker 1: yards per attempt, they had four drops, the line couldn't
Speaker 1: block anybody. They gave up five sexs, they stopped running.
Speaker 1: Well again, what okay, Tyrn Smith not there? What does
Speaker 1: that have to do with Terrence Steele not hearing the
Speaker 1: snap and don't come at me about arrowhead because he
Speaker 1: heard it in US Bank Stadium in Minneapolis where it's
Speaker 1: really really loud too, So they I knew I forgot something.
Speaker 1: The boy pop past to Cedric whatever the hell that was,
Speaker 1: the said, I don't think I've ever seen I don't
Speaker 1: think I've ever seen it incompletion on a pass like that.
Speaker 1: How does that happen? They just absolutely blinked because they did.
Speaker 1: It's not just that they lost to a good team
Speaker 1: on the road. They just didn't even do the basic stuff.
Speaker 1: Well nobody at least not on offense. The defense shower
Speaker 1: them with praise. Those guys, I've they left their guts
Speaker 1: out there as far as I'm concerned. But the offense
Speaker 1: just didn't go. They just did not show up to
Speaker 1: Kansas City. I mean, no, I mean, I can keep ranting. No,
Speaker 1: that's that's just how I feel. Let's take let's take
Speaker 1: our first break. When we come back from that break,
Speaker 1: I want to talk specifically about Dak and specifically about
Speaker 1: the offensive line and the running game. It seemed like
Speaker 1: none of those three things we're working. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: those three things when we come back. This is Dallas
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Speaker 1: back to the second set of The Break live from
Speaker 1: the SWBC Mortgage Studios. I tried at the Star. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys joining us. As you can see Dave
Speaker 1: and Amber and studio. Nick's back in Kansas City. He'll
Speaker 1: be back in studio with us tomorrow. We got a
Speaker 1: short week, so tomorrow we'll be flipping the page real
Speaker 1: quick talking about Cowboys versus Raiders. Raiders on a bit
Speaker 1: of a slide there, so maybe this is as if
Speaker 1: you can call it that a get right game for Dallas.
Speaker 1: We'll see how that goes. Maybe the Raiders are saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: Dallas lost two of our division rivals in the last
Speaker 1: three weeks right exactly, So we'll see how that all
Speaker 1: plays out this week. I do want to talk to
Speaker 1: typically about this offense stow deck yesterday twenty eight to
Speaker 1: forty three, sixty five percent completion rate, two hundred and
Speaker 1: sixteen yards, zero touchdowns, two interceptions, a fifty seven point
Speaker 1: nine quarterback reading. Not a great day from mister Prescott.
Speaker 1: That all being said, do you think that pressure was
Speaker 1: the biggest problem for the Dallas offense yesterday? Not being
Speaker 1: able to handle pressure. I think everything was a problem obvious.
Speaker 1: I mean, Chris Jones mauled their offensive line basically all
Speaker 1: by himself. Frank Clark had a hand in it as well.
Speaker 1: But I think it's a little bit of everything. And
Speaker 1: just from what I've been able to digest after the game,
Speaker 1: I think Kansas City approached it in a similar fashion
Speaker 1: to what Denver did. I think they probably blitzed a
Speaker 1: little bit more. I think pressure was a problem. I
Speaker 1: think not having guys that can separate downfield was a problem.
Speaker 1: And I also think the Chiefs just played a hell
Speaker 1: of a game on defense. Right. It's not always you
Speaker 1: being bad. Sometimes they're just really good. I mean, how
Speaker 1: many plays I can think of at least four where
Speaker 1: whether it was CD, Zeke or somebody else, catch it
Speaker 1: three yards past the sticks and what looks like it
Speaker 1: could be a nine yard game, you're tackled immediately. I
Speaker 1: mean that I felt like that happened half a dozen
Speaker 1: times yesterday. So yeah, I mean they were just dominant.
Speaker 1: But yeah, to answer you more directly, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't think Dak played well regardless. I think he missed
Speaker 1: a lot of throws that he should make, but he
Speaker 1: did not have a lot of time either. Nick was
Speaker 1: pressure the biggest problem for them, I think, so I
Speaker 1: think it starts there and then it just the snowball effect.
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you beat pressure. You beat pressure
Speaker 1: by getting the ball down the field. And and you know,
Speaker 1: once CD left the game, they had nobody really that
Speaker 1: the Chiefs were worried about. And you know, Dak wasn't
Speaker 1: hitting them, you know either way. But you know, like
Speaker 1: I said, Cedric Wilson and Noah Brown, you know, those
Speaker 1: guys are good, but they're not special. And I think
Speaker 1: you needed that. So he took advantage of the offensive line,
Speaker 1: and then the Cowboys couldn't come come back. That I'll
Speaker 1: never forget. Bill Parcel's telling Romo and those quarterbacks, you
Speaker 1: will want them to blitz, blitz. You want them to
Speaker 1: blitz every time because you can beat them. Well. When
Speaker 1: you can't beat them though blitzing getting a blitz, it's
Speaker 1: not very fun. And it wasn't fun for Dak. Huh.
Speaker 1: I thought that, yes, that was their biggest problem. And
Speaker 1: we've seen it different times where Dak has to run
Speaker 1: out of the pocket, but he's still precise, He's still
Speaker 1: he can make those throws. And I don't know what
Speaker 1: the heck was going on yesterday that they just could
Speaker 1: not connect. And aside from Cite Lamb, I mean even
Speaker 1: when he was still in the game, they were not
Speaker 1: playing well at all either. So what were they doing
Speaker 1: with the old line? What we knew Tyren Smith wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna play? I wonder at one point did they really
Speaker 1: know that. How close to the game were you guys
Speaker 1: thinking that they actually knew for sure that Tyron Smith
Speaker 1: was not gonna be a guy to play. I don't
Speaker 1: think they made that call until Saturday. I think it
Speaker 1: was really really close. And that's a good point. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you bring up, which I mean, it's an excuse
Speaker 1: and that's what it is. But you lose a Mari
Speaker 1: very unexpectedly, so I do wonder, I mean, your game
Speaker 1: plans in place by Friday afternoon, and I wonder that
Speaker 1: is not a lot of turnaround to sort of just
Speaker 1: change everything up. And then I got the sense in
Speaker 1: the building, Nick, please correct me if you disagree. I
Speaker 1: really I thought that they thought Tyron was gonna play,
Speaker 1: and I think, fine if that if it's Steven said
Speaker 1: he was pretty optimistic that he was gonna play earlier
Speaker 1: in the week, Nick, I agree. I was really surprised
Speaker 1: when we heard on Sunday morning that he wasn't. And
Speaker 1: I think, going back to what Amber said, we're talking
Speaker 1: about the old offensive line. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: would have made that switch with Connor McGovern if they
Speaker 1: thought that that Terrence still was going to be next
Speaker 1: to him. I think all week they thought that Tyron
Speaker 1: was going to be the guy, and so it changed
Speaker 1: a lot there. I mean, when you think about Amari
Speaker 1: Cooper being out and tired of being out, you would
Speaker 1: ask this Friday morning on the show, we thought both
Speaker 1: of them were playing, So it was that it was
Speaker 1: not only tough to replace them, but replace them in
Speaker 1: a short amount of time. Well, that's that's what I
Speaker 1: don't get though, that point of Okay, how hard is
Speaker 1: it just to go back and be like, okay, we'll
Speaker 1: just keep Connor Williams in there. If that's the guy
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm talking about practiced all week though, right,
Speaker 1: but he's been doing it all seasons. That's what I
Speaker 1: don't get, Like, how hard? How much does that really
Speaker 1: change a game plan when you're playing oh line and
Speaker 1: doing something that you have been doing this season. My
Speaker 1: thing is not necessarily maybe the game plan, but as
Speaker 1: you know, each of these guys, they they study specific
Speaker 1: players that they're going to have to play against when
Speaker 1: they're going to play. And my suspicion is they probably
Speaker 1: felt like, hey, if we've been playing Connor McGovern here
Speaker 1: all week in practice, he's been preparing to play, and
Speaker 1: we've been preparing with him them to play, then I
Speaker 1: think they probably felt like making a change at the
Speaker 1: last minute probably does more to undo that. And Connor
Speaker 1: Williams may not have He may have been preparing to
Speaker 1: do play fullback and do the other things that he
Speaker 1: was going to do in the offense to where do
Speaker 1: we really want a guy who has not been at
Speaker 1: you know, has not been great lately anyway, in Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: to now put him in without the practice all week,
Speaker 1: now put him in and ask him, ask him to start.
Speaker 1: I think they probably if that's the decision that came
Speaker 1: out after they found out when they were expecting try
Speaker 1: to play, I think they stick with whatever they've been
Speaker 1: doing all week. That just adds one more layer of
Speaker 1: just something that they didn't practice right now. When you're
Speaker 1: making football money, I think that's something you can easily
Speaker 1: just go back and do it. That would be nice.
Speaker 1: That would be nice. But as we've seen, like just
Speaker 1: because you're making football money doesn't mean you can do
Speaker 1: the job right. The beauty of it, and I use
Speaker 1: the word beauty sarcastically, but like it's not like Connor
Speaker 1: mcconferen sank the offensive line. They were all terrible. They
Speaker 1: all got I mean, every steal had issues. I all
Speaker 1: had what a false start I think that backed him up,
Speaker 1: also got beat off the edge and ye, Tyler Biadas
Speaker 1: had to I mean that was seemed like a BS
Speaker 1: call to me. But the false start on beyond he
Speaker 1: had some issues in the run game, and again I
Speaker 1: think it was the fourth quarter, but like when Zach
Speaker 1: Martin's given up sacks to Chris, I'm just like, all right,
Speaker 1: just throw it away, just throw the game away. I
Speaker 1: mean that was Jones. Chris Jones dominated that game. He
Speaker 1: literally went down the line. And I don't remember. It
Speaker 1: was training camp several years ago. There was a defensive
Speaker 1: I want to say it was when DeMarcus was still here,
Speaker 1: but we had a defensive lineman that went down the
Speaker 1: line and basically every day kind of went through each
Speaker 1: of the different guys and challenged can I read basically
Speaker 1: with Chris Jones, d Can I read you his stat line?
Speaker 1: Because I wrote it out in a story last night
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, like his stat
Speaker 1: lines like twenty words, four tackles, three and a half sacks,
Speaker 1: three quarterback hits, one pass deflection, one forced fumble, and
Speaker 1: one fumble recovery. Unbelievable, amazing, we said, I mean, I
Speaker 1: knew he was an underrated and amazing player, but I
Speaker 1: mean that that's got to be one of the best
Speaker 1: one or two games of his life. And I thought
Speaker 1: he would have a really great game. I thought he
Speaker 1: would primarily do it on the interior part and over
Speaker 1: the left guard and in the center, and that was
Speaker 1: not the case. He moved all around and he gave
Speaker 1: them problems everywhere. I mean, there wasn't a place on
Speaker 1: the offensive line that he didn't give them problems. Look,
Speaker 1: I know, well, I'm just gonna say this real quick.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Nick wants to speak, but um, I know
Speaker 1: there's a lot of football left to play, and it's crazy, crazy,
Speaker 1: but I am so sad and just embarrassed and like
Speaker 1: crushed because this was the closest you could get to,
Speaker 1: like a playoff type of game, and then they play
Speaker 1: that way, and it's like, what's gonna happen once they
Speaker 1: do get it to the playoffs? And who's gonna say
Speaker 1: that all of these guys are gonna be healthy? You know.
Speaker 1: It's just one of those things that I just fast
Speaker 1: forward ourselves into the playoffs and the scenario playing through,
Speaker 1: and it's just like, Wow, we have seen amazing games
Speaker 1: this year and then they come out and played this way?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? So I'm just I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: I have nothing positive to say. Well, oh, I applaud
Speaker 1: the defense, but other than that, I'm like, here we
Speaker 1: are again crushed and it sucks, and football just hurts,
Speaker 1: hurts your heart and you guys, I don't know how
Speaker 1: y'all handle more than one football game per weekend. I'm good, Yes,
Speaker 1: that sucks. Nick talking about Connor McGovern and Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: do you think, based upon what you saw yesterday, you
Speaker 1: stick with that or you think they need to go
Speaker 1: back to Williams at this point, I go one more game.
Speaker 1: And the reason why I say that is, ultimately it's
Speaker 1: better for McGovern to be your guard long term. If
Speaker 1: it's that close, you don't think you're gonna resign Connor Williams.
Speaker 1: McGovern will probably be here, so you know, you would
Speaker 1: hate to just keep playing, Um, you know Connor Williams
Speaker 1: and then he's gone, and then McGovern hasn't gotten enough
Speaker 1: snaps if it's close, because you still got to play
Speaker 1: you know this game. Um, Because I was about to
Speaker 1: have this whole point about what Amber just said about
Speaker 1: not getting ahead of yourself and live in moments a moment,
Speaker 1: and then you ask me that, and I take it
Speaker 1: big picture because I do think it's you. You have
Speaker 1: to take a big picture approach. Um. I think Connor
Speaker 1: Williams played better at guard than McGovern yesterday. Um, we
Speaker 1: just talked about the penalties with with Connor Williams, but
Speaker 1: for the most part he blocks pretty well. McGovern I
Speaker 1: thought was getting beat handily, and again Chris Jones had
Speaker 1: a big hand in that. But um, I go one
Speaker 1: more week with McGovern, see if he can fix it.
Speaker 1: But I think you probably better at guard in fullback
Speaker 1: if Connor Williams goes back. All right, now, step back
Speaker 1: and tell me the point you were going to make
Speaker 1: before I ask you that question. Oh, I was just
Speaker 1: gonna say that, like we all are guilty of this.
Speaker 1: I mean, we do it, We get in trouble, we
Speaker 1: get ahead of ourselves. And now I think if you
Speaker 1: just stop looking way down the line and look back
Speaker 1: and go NFC East, let's win this division. We gotta lead.
Speaker 1: But those teams are coming now. The Eagles look like
Speaker 1: they're better, Washington's getting better. So I think the focus
Speaker 1: has to change from oh, well do you get to
Speaker 1: buy do you get the second? How about win the division?
Speaker 1: Let's do that and then not get to ahead of like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm so disappointed of what could be because this is
Speaker 1: a roller coaster season. We'll think differently about the Cowboys
Speaker 1: on Friday when they smash the Raiders or whatever, and
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, but we're back again, you know. So
Speaker 1: I just think we gotta take it a little bit
Speaker 1: closer and not look big picture, as I just said,
Speaker 1: the big picture for the Guards. I'm talking out of
Speaker 1: the sides of the mouth. No, you are right though,
Speaker 1: and I'm We've brought it up a million times. We
Speaker 1: brought it up after the Denver game, and I mean
Speaker 1: they didn't even I mean, they got their ass kicked
Speaker 1: in this game, but not it's different, right, Like you
Speaker 1: feel better about that loss than the Denver loss. Um
Speaker 1: And and yeah, I mean somebody, somebody in this league
Speaker 1: that looks terrible right now is is gonna get hot.
Speaker 1: And somebody that's hot right now is gonna turn around
Speaker 1: and be like, man, why we thought we were really
Speaker 1: good a month ago. Hopefully he is not the cow
Speaker 1: Hopefully it's not the Cowboys, which and I think that's
Speaker 1: why that's why this game is just so disappointing, because
Speaker 1: and this doesn't ultimately mean anything at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, but it this was a narrative game. This
Speaker 1: was a game that meant a lot to all of
Speaker 1: that stuff that Nick's totally right. My dumbass wrote eleven
Speaker 1: hundred words about how dat could make an MVP statement
Speaker 1: on Sunday. That's all I could think about all through
Speaker 1: the second half. If I was, like, my dumbass really
Speaker 1: believed that this was going to happen, and I get it,
Speaker 1: still could, but you gotta shelve it. You gotta shelve
Speaker 1: it for at least like the next three weeks. Because
Speaker 1: he didn't need to win that game. But they just
Speaker 1: they need to play better. That's I don't even care
Speaker 1: that they lost. I just wanted them to play better. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the tough part at this point is going
Speaker 1: to what Amber was talking about. I don't think I mean,
Speaker 1: you could say the Arizona game, but I don't think
Speaker 1: there's going to be a real opportunity for me. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about me personally, for me to get a gauge
Speaker 1: on how confident I am that in the playoffs they're
Speaker 1: going to be able to roll through two or three
Speaker 1: playoff caliber teams to get where they want to go. Right.
Speaker 1: That's the part where you know, I was hopeful that
Speaker 1: last night they would give me a glimpse of that
Speaker 1: to where I could say, you know, not only are
Speaker 1: they a good team, because I think they're a good team,
Speaker 1: and I still believe they're a good team. I think
Speaker 1: they're not only a good team. I think they're a
Speaker 1: good team that knows how to win against great other
Speaker 1: great teams, and that I just don't think you're gonna
Speaker 1: get there this year like you can maybe say the
Speaker 1: Arizona game. I just don't think you're gonna get there
Speaker 1: this year until you see it in the playoffs. And
Speaker 1: so for me, I'm gonna go into playoffs no matter
Speaker 1: what happens down the stretch. I'm gonna go into the
Speaker 1: playoffs a little bit skeptical because I just haven't seen
Speaker 1: it yet. I haven't seen them be able to beat
Speaker 1: those upper echelon teams. All we're gonna take our final
Speaker 1: break and we come back this super Bowl. It's not
Speaker 1: in my vocabulary. Oh whatever age I move into my
Speaker 1: standby list or they are. Yeah, in three weeks, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be up up on the topic that you just
Speaker 1: gotta find that they you gotta find the middle ground. Man.
Speaker 1: Come on, No, it's just one way or the other.
Speaker 1: I don't like being in the middle. I will teach
Speaker 1: you how to sit on the fence. It's actually quite comfortable. No, actually,
Speaker 1: just watch Nick and Dave and how they treat their
Speaker 1: college teams like they'll be the first one to talk
Speaker 1: down their college team and hopes that they overachieve whatever
Speaker 1: their thoughts. Right, And that's how you keep yourself right
Speaker 1: there in the middle, like I don't know, and then
Speaker 1: they exceed your expectations. Right, all right? What is need
Speaker 1: to do? Oh? All right? And saw here we go.
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Speaker 1: come back, we're going to talk some more. We do
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Speaker 1: segment of the Break Life in s WBC Mortgage Udios.
Speaker 1: At the star Let's Talk running game yesterday, Zeke was
Speaker 1: five carriage sixteen yards a three point two average. Pollard
Speaker 1: was six carriage forty six yards a seven point seven average.
Speaker 1: Were you surprised that they didn't run more? They only
Speaker 1: had eleven rushes in the first half and then only
Speaker 1: five in the second half. This game never really was
Speaker 1: out of reach for them. Were you surprised they didn't
Speaker 1: run more. I'm not surprised they didn't run more. I'm
Speaker 1: surprised they couldn't run. I mean, i've seven point seven
Speaker 1: average for Pollard. That doesn't mean that doesn't even hand
Speaker 1: on all of that. On the one funny Wildcat, it
Speaker 1: was a thirty yard run thirty one, I think it was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was one. I mean, going between the tackles was
Speaker 1: not happening for anybody yesterday, probably because Chris Jones, if
Speaker 1: I had to guess, and Jaren Reid, and I mean, no,
Speaker 1: I'm shocked that it didn't work better. I thought that
Speaker 1: they had the capacity to run for one thirty one
Speaker 1: forty one fifty they didn't. But sometimes isn't that about
Speaker 1: being committed to it? Because I don't feel like they
Speaker 1: were committed to it enough to let it work right,
Speaker 1: And I disagree. I just look at how little time
Speaker 1: Dak had to throw, he got sacked five times, how
Speaker 1: many times they didn't break through the second level. No,
Speaker 1: I just I think Kansas City knew that Dallas didn't
Speaker 1: have a way to beat them downfield and was just like, well,
Speaker 1: this is all you got and you're not doing it.
Speaker 1: And so in that way, I kind of commend the
Speaker 1: Cowboys for trying to do something else, but again, they
Speaker 1: didn't have a way to throw the ball down field.
Speaker 1: So yeah, oh, I'm stealing this from my friend Robert
Speaker 1: Mays's podcast, but I thought it was an amazing stat
Speaker 1: on balls that traveled ten or more yards. Yesterday, Dak
Speaker 1: was four of seventeen for fifty eight yards. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just that day at the office. But surprised it
Speaker 1: didn't work, yes, Surprised that they stopped no, because I
Speaker 1: think they could have run one hundred times and it
Speaker 1: wouldn't have gone a whole lot better. M Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that sometimes, Yes, you can commit to the run
Speaker 1: and it eventually starts working out. But that's like, what's
Speaker 1: the wall made out of? Is it foam? Then you
Speaker 1: keep banging banking, it's gonna you're gonna create a hole
Speaker 1: and punch through and go at it. But this wall
Speaker 1: was not breaking at all, and it was completely solid.
Speaker 1: Like I saw multiple plays where Zik is running and
Speaker 1: Boom just falls back like bouncing off. Which, by the way,
Speaker 1: what's the deal with Zeke? Well that was gonna be
Speaker 1: keeps getting hurt and then every time, well at least
Speaker 1: the images that I see on the TV, anytime he's
Speaker 1: trying to get checked and he does go back and
Speaker 1: goes and enters the game again, but he's just like
Speaker 1: pushing off the medical staff, doesn't want to get checked
Speaker 1: by anybody, just goes back in. And I get it,
Speaker 1: Dave's it's football. Well, it is part of the game
Speaker 1: you want to do. I get it. But my point
Speaker 1: is it's like, um, I guess we're seeing it. You
Speaker 1: don't have a fully healthy seat, and it's clearly affecting
Speaker 1: the game. And Polor he's starting to lose that little
Speaker 1: spark that he's shown to have, at least in my eyes,
Speaker 1: he hasn't been the polar that I was used to
Speaker 1: see him, at least even last year in moments where
Speaker 1: he was really a spark in the offense, to a
Speaker 1: point where we were discussing, Okay, is he really better
Speaker 1: than Zeke? Shoot, he get more snaps in there and
Speaker 1: get more play in time. But I don't know, It's
Speaker 1: just nothing was working for them yesterday, Nick, you surprise
Speaker 1: they didn't run it more. You know, I'm actually doing
Speaker 1: a little math here, which is not good for anyone,
Speaker 1: but I'm just I'm looking at the first first down
Speaker 1: runs and you know, could you be like it's sometimes
Speaker 1: it's that balance of did they run the ball well
Speaker 1: or could they not run? Like Dave said, first down
Speaker 1: runs two minus one zero one five two three zero
Speaker 1: eight one four zero four. So I don't know what
Speaker 1: the math is on that. I haven't added that up yet,
Speaker 1: but like, they weren't running a lot on first down
Speaker 1: very well, would kind of set them back behind the chains.
Speaker 1: And so I think they tried to run some but
Speaker 1: it just it just wasn't really working and then they
Speaker 1: kind of got behind. But you know, I to answer
Speaker 1: the question about Zeke. We talked to him and the
Speaker 1: trainers afterwards, and it was an ankle. It was listed
Speaker 1: as an ankle, but that's not really a big issue.
Speaker 1: They just kind of kind of rolled on the knees
Speaker 1: the one that's bothering him. That's just been the problematic
Speaker 1: for about five weeks now, and it happened again. But
Speaker 1: I asked them about playing Thursday, and he kind of
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he was gonna give me a
Speaker 1: social Security number before he said no, I'm not playing.
Speaker 1: He was like, let's yeah, I'm playing. So do you
Speaker 1: think this is a situation where maybe do you think
Speaker 1: it's maybe a situation where the coaches should step in
Speaker 1: and at least maybe consider the fact that they should
Speaker 1: sit him down for a week and let him get
Speaker 1: a little healthier, because I don't honestly, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you're getting everything out of Zeke did you expect
Speaker 1: to get out of him? You're asking me or Nick both,
Speaker 1: I'm asking everybody, Nick ahead, not yet. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think if it was a real problem, I don't think
Speaker 1: he'd be at the end of the game doing two
Speaker 1: point conversions against Denver. He'd be playing at the end.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it's a real problem. I
Speaker 1: don't think he would. He was struggled because of the
Speaker 1: injury yesterday. I don't think they could run the ball.
Speaker 1: Like Dave said, the one run was a trick play
Speaker 1: really from Tony Pollard, a great call, but like they
Speaker 1: couldn't really get it done. I see what he does
Speaker 1: on Thursday and and and try one more week there.
Speaker 1: If he's still hobbled, then yeah, maybe you do shut
Speaker 1: him down for a week. Football players play football during
Speaker 1: football season. I mean, everybody on this team is dealing
Speaker 1: with stuff like this, and Mary Cooper has been fighting
Speaker 1: through it all year. And and that's I laughed at
Speaker 1: Ag a little bit because I was like, can you
Speaker 1: imagine the uproar if Zeke Winton sat himself down on
Speaker 1: the bench, was like, monee hurts, I can't go back in. No,
Speaker 1: you want him pushing the medical guys away, Like, get
Speaker 1: the f off me. We're playing the Chiefs football. I
Speaker 1: Am going back in this game. And he'll be there Thursday,
Speaker 1: and he'll be there against New Orleans as long as
Speaker 1: nothing terrible happens on Thanksgiving, and then he'll get a
Speaker 1: mini buy. It's not a real buy. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you just gotta get through this stretch. Give these guys
Speaker 1: a long weekend off. I'm not gonna say get healthy,
Speaker 1: but just give him a long weekend off to get
Speaker 1: off their feet. Two games from now, this is what
Speaker 1: I gotta get. Two games. Yeah, they gotta get through
Speaker 1: two games. Welcome to pro football, right, you gotta get
Speaker 1: through two games. But if you get to that, you'll
Speaker 1: have ten days maybe you can't have a chance to
Speaker 1: kind of and by the way, maybe you get some
Speaker 1: reinforcements back after that. Yep, who knows? All right, real quick,
Speaker 1: before were in the show. I gotta get something positive
Speaker 1: for him because right now I don't think she's feeling
Speaker 1: any positivity. Michael Parsons like, if there was anything that
Speaker 1: came out of that game that you look at and
Speaker 1: you're like, man, this is this is really good for
Speaker 1: the calbum, I'll do one better. And I mean we
Speaker 1: talked about it. But if you're willing to put the
Speaker 1: rose colored glasses on amber and just follow me here,
Speaker 1: if you're willing to just have some hope, follow me,
Speaker 1: follow me the defense ball man. Yeah, they did the
Speaker 1: ball nineteen points allout at that's if they play, if
Speaker 1: they can play even close to that on a consistent basis,
Speaker 1: get some guys back. You could be cooking with some
Speaker 1: gas there. And yeah, go ahead and talk about Micah
Speaker 1: because he was amazing. Well. Micah stat line four tackles,
Speaker 1: two sacks, three quarterbacks, hit hits, one forced fumble, and
Speaker 1: he was even more than than what showed up on
Speaker 1: this sheet. The stat sheet the number of times he
Speaker 1: was in the backfield and was forcing Mahomes to either
Speaker 1: move or forcing Mahomes to get rid of the ball.
Speaker 1: Quicker like that didn't show up necessarily on the stat line. Um,
Speaker 1: he had I thought a phenomenal game. And my question
Speaker 1: for you guys, it's one that we've asked almost every
Speaker 1: week of this season, is he had better defensive end
Speaker 1: at this point than an off ball line background. I
Speaker 1: had been of the opinion that, yeah, move them around,
Speaker 1: do a lot of things. But what he's doing right
Speaker 1: now a defensive end, we haven't seen a rookie do
Speaker 1: this since DeMarcus ware That. I mean, that's special. He
Speaker 1: is a special rusher. Should they consider keeping him there
Speaker 1: full time? Nick, you want to take this first. You
Speaker 1: know I've been fighting this off like the Plague. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've been trying because I feel like you'll be a
Speaker 1: better linebacker. But I mean, he without a doubt, he's
Speaker 1: a great pass rusher. And if you look at his
Speaker 1: stats now, I mean he's got eight I think it's
Speaker 1: about even four and four. I think he's got four
Speaker 1: sacks rushing from the edge and he's got four going
Speaker 1: up in the middle. I think he can rush to
Speaker 1: the quarterback. So then it comes back to your offensive
Speaker 1: line type theory. Best rushers out there, when Gregory comes back,
Speaker 1: d Law comes back. I mean, I want them all
Speaker 1: out there. And so I think I think there's a
Speaker 1: role still for him to play linebacker. But maybe on
Speaker 1: third downs. He can move and slide sometimes rushes different places.
Speaker 1: There's just a lot of ways to do it. I'm
Speaker 1: still calling him a linebacker, but man, he can definitely
Speaker 1: get to the quarterback in a variety of ways. Nick
Speaker 1: did a great job of not answering that question. I
Speaker 1: will I will plant my flag here on this go ahead.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I didn't answer it. I didn't answer
Speaker 1: I want him to be a linebacker. I want him
Speaker 1: to be a linebacker because I think I think I
Speaker 1: want him on the field if he has to rotate,
Speaker 1: and I don't want that get on the field. Let
Speaker 1: him play, and that's what I want him to be
Speaker 1: on the field, duck, I will plant my flag and
Speaker 1: die on this hill. Why are we trying to give
Speaker 1: people positions? In twenty twenty one? We put him out there.
Speaker 1: We are we are. We are moving toward positionless football
Speaker 1: in the way that basketball doesn't have positions, Like you
Speaker 1: want to stick Lebron James at the four just because
Speaker 1: he's big, or do you want him doing everything because
Speaker 1: he can play point three, four and five if he
Speaker 1: wants to. I want Micah Parsons doing whatever the hell
Speaker 1: the offense can't handle, if the offensive because he can
Speaker 1: do it all. We don't have to put this guy
Speaker 1: in a box. It drives me crazy. I don't want
Speaker 1: him out there forty five percent of the time rushing
Speaker 1: the passer. I want him out there ninety eight percent
Speaker 1: of the time, and I only want the two percent
Speaker 1: to be because he stubbed his toe. I want him
Speaker 1: to do everything. I want him to be a spy
Speaker 1: if that's what the matchup calls for. I want him
Speaker 1: to be rushing the passer. If they're shorthanded, or if
Speaker 1: the other team's offensive line is lacking, I want him
Speaker 1: going sideline to sideline and snuffing out runs and screens.
Speaker 1: If that's what him. I mean, think about what he
Speaker 1: did against Minnesota and how valuable that was. Didn't think
Speaker 1: about what he did against Kansas City and how valuable
Speaker 1: that was. And then for some reason, I have to
Speaker 1: choose one of those instead of both. Now I'm good.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have it all. I'm gonna have my
Speaker 1: cake and eat it too, and I resent anybody that's
Speaker 1: gonna try to make me make this call. MICA's job
Speaker 1: should change every week based on what dan Quinn thinks
Speaker 1: he can do, and we're just gonna roll with it
Speaker 1: for the next decade and he's gonna be a monster. Sorry,
Speaker 1: don't apologize. Would you say, Nick, that's a cow bye
Speaker 1: it is, that's a cow bite. I don't know who's
Speaker 1: cutting I don't know who's cutting them back there, but
Speaker 1: that Dave, what you said, I want him doing what
Speaker 1: the other guys can't do. Or I don't know how
Speaker 1: you worded it, but like that was well said. It
Speaker 1: was so well said that I forgot it. But like
Speaker 1: I said, I want them. I want them doing what
Speaker 1: the other guys can't handle. That's that's the that's the
Speaker 1: making of a star. That's a superstar right there. This
Speaker 1: is this and that, and that's what he is. This
Speaker 1: is people love to create problems where there aren't any.
Speaker 1: I want him to do everything, and he has not
Speaker 1: given me any indication that he can't handle it. So
Speaker 1: I'm just dan Quinn, just give like enough leash that
Speaker 1: you don't lose him completely, but just let him run, man,
Speaker 1: just let him go. Amber you agree with this absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean last night, Um, he tweeted something. What did
Speaker 1: he say? I believe or believe in something? I forgot
Speaker 1: exactly the word basically believe, basically believe, believing us. We're good.
Speaker 1: He almost had it had me, I said, I tweet
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I believing you, but I'm believing you
Speaker 1: for sure. He almost pulled me back in there. But um,
Speaker 1: and going back real quick to Dave's pink glasses here
Speaker 1: that I was trying to envision and imagine and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, as I'm listening to what you were saying,
Speaker 1: and I got my pink glasses on, I'm like, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: Doomsday's back, baby. No, you know what happened. In my vision,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys offense is scoring points finally, and then the
Speaker 1: defense is playing like crap and not doing You're probably
Speaker 1: hurting myself right now, but I just this is how
Speaker 1: I feel today out of Monday. After a loss against
Speaker 1: You're allowed. That's you process it however you need, and
Speaker 1: then you hop right back on and go for another row.
Speaker 1: But the thing to the thing that can make you
Speaker 1: feel a little bit better about that is it's it's
Speaker 1: Jerry likes to say this. If you show me you
Speaker 1: can do it once, that means you can do it again.
Speaker 1: And so if you can see these kinds of performances
Speaker 1: from the defense, because the defense, this isn't the first
Speaker 1: time the season when this defense is played like this,
Speaker 1: I think what we're seeing more and more is that
Speaker 1: this defense has the ability to clamp down on opposing teams.
Speaker 1: And even if it starts off kind of a little,
Speaker 1: you know, a little shaky it did against Atlanta. Even
Speaker 1: even if it's it could start off a little shaky,
Speaker 1: once they find out what they're doing and they figure
Speaker 1: it out, this defense has the ability to really lock down.
Speaker 1: And so that's a good thing for you going forward.
Speaker 1: You get some of those pass rushers back, you feel
Speaker 1: good about your defense. This offense, although they've lost, they've
Speaker 1: only been two games, and in both games when they lost,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, two of the three games when they lost,
Speaker 1: this offense didn't perform. Well. That's still gotta be the key. Though.
Speaker 1: They still got to score points. I don't think they're
Speaker 1: gonna win necessarily just playing defense. I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to score points. And that's where you have to wonder,
Speaker 1: like you know, it was this all just about tiring
Speaker 1: in Amari being out and then not having CD in
Speaker 1: the second half. If you believe that, then you should
Speaker 1: feel pretty good about this. They only lost about ten
Speaker 1: in that scenario. If if if you feel like it's
Speaker 1: more than that, then you're probably a little bit worried.
Speaker 1: And this is where you see where it comes out
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Shout out to Greg Sterling only one
Speaker 1: scoring points. He made a nick and I talked about
Speaker 1: this last night, like I'm I'm getting tired of seeing
Speaker 1: in the number nine in these big Cowboy games. It
Speaker 1: just seems like it happens a lot. Yeah. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys said the same thing. That's that's why they cut Jalen. Oh,
Speaker 1: that wasn't a shot out. Jal was thinking about the
Speaker 1: Eagles game in the news. I know, yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: you know, I know when they don't score a point
Speaker 1: and they don't score touchdowns when touchdowns is important. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who would have thought. I mean, I was, I was
Speaker 1: worried about the weather all week. I'm saying, yeah, what
Speaker 1: is the wind? What is the wind? And all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and it's like low key, but it's a factor. It
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it is, but when you're down there,
Speaker 1: it is a problem. And I know the kicker made
Speaker 1: the field goals, but like, it just affects the passing game.
Speaker 1: And I bet you had affected Mahomes too. He wasn't
Speaker 1: that great either. So I mean, it just what there's something,
Speaker 1: but get used to it because that's what happens in
Speaker 1: December and January, and when you're not playing at at
Speaker 1: and T Stadium, you're gonna deal with that. So it's
Speaker 1: something to consider here when you get into the playoffs.
Speaker 1: All right, we appreciate you guys joining us. Stay tuned
Speaker 1: at four pm, we've got Mike McCarthy coming up with
Speaker 1: his press conference. It's going to be a short week,
Speaker 1: so tomorrow we'll get right into We'll start talking Cowboys
Speaker 1: versus Raiders. We'll talk a little bit about some of
Speaker 1: the guys that they are missing and what their status
Speaker 1: is and how much each one of them was missed
Speaker 1: in this last game that tomorrow told them for Nick
Speaker 1: even Dave Helm and Abercars. See I am Derek Eagleton.
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