Speaker 1: Once I got the role, I did chemistry reads with
Speaker 1: all the Owens, all the Malaikahs. So I was on
Speaker 1: the phone with these people a lot. Okay, I don't
Speaker 1: even remember at what point I had the job. I
Speaker 1: was just like, I hope there's a lab at the
Speaker 1: end of this.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 1: I'm Sinclair Daniel and I play Nella and the other
Speaker 1: Black Girls streaming on Hulu.
Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome back to Off the Beat. I
Speaker 2: have got some pep in my step today, of course.
Speaker 2: I'm your host, Brian Baumgartner and Ding Dong. The Witch
Speaker 2: is dead. Maybe you've heard the news, maybe you haven't.
Speaker 2: The Screen Actors Guild strike is over. One hundred and
Speaker 2: eighteen days later, sag Aftra has reached a deal with
Speaker 2: the studios who that was a long time. We have
Speaker 2: a new contract now that hopefully we'll make all this
Speaker 2: time off worth it. It's been such a long road,
Speaker 2: but I am so happy that we can all get
Speaker 2: back to work now, which includes talking about shows, particularly
Speaker 2: talking about new shows. Yes, now you may have noticed
Speaker 2: there was a dearth of actors joining me on the
Speaker 2: podcast here. Well, there's a very very good reason for that,
Speaker 2: because nobody was allowed to talk about any shows or
Speaker 2: movies that we're currently streaming on any platform. So I
Speaker 2: have been chomping at the bit to tell you about
Speaker 2: a recent project I did. As some of you know
Speaker 2: from my conversations last year, I had the absolute pleasure
Speaker 2: to work on the show The Other Black Girl, and
Speaker 2: my guest today is the star of our show, Sinclair Daniel.
Speaker 2: Sinclair plays Nella, who works at a publishing company. I
Speaker 2: played Colin, one of the authors that said publishing company represents.
Speaker 2: The show focuses on how Nella navigates office dynamics, race relations,
Speaker 2: and well otherness as a black woman in a white
Speaker 2: dominated space. Sinclair does an absolutely beautiful job as Nella,
Speaker 2: dealing with all of the complexity and humor and darkness
Speaker 2: that comes with She is so good everybody, and it
Speaker 2: is so good for me to finally be able to
Speaker 2: talk to another actor about well acting, especially new, recent,
Speaker 2: important and great work. So I am so excited to
Speaker 2: dive right back in to let you get to know
Speaker 2: the funny, the brilliant, and the so so so talented
Speaker 2: Sinclair Daniel. Bubble and Squeak. I love it, Bubble and Squeak,
Speaker 2: Bubble and Squeak, cooking every move over from the night. People. Hey,
Speaker 2: how are you? I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 2: It's been so long now.
Speaker 1: I know, it's been a couple of like lifetimes.
Speaker 2: How are you doing.
Speaker 1: I'm good. You know. It's just now starting to get
Speaker 1: like wintery cold. So drinking a lot of tea, wearing
Speaker 1: a lot of scarves, having a good time.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're in New York, right, yeah, I am yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's getting it's getting cold. You're feeling fall.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling fall. We usually skip fall and skip spring
Speaker 1: and just go straight to the extremes. So I'm really
Speaker 1: trying to revel in the niceness that is happening outside
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: Well, you and I, Oh my gosh, we last. It's
Speaker 2: been almost a year before if you could believe that, Uh,
Speaker 2: it's been almost a year. I want to tell everybody
Speaker 2: about how we got to know each other. But I
Speaker 2: want but I want I want to start. I want
Speaker 2: to start just with you. I want to I want to.
Speaker 2: I wanta this is your life. This is okay, this
Speaker 2: is s Claire Daniel's life. You grew up in New York?
Speaker 2: Is that right?
Speaker 1: No? I didn't. Actually, I grew up in d C.
Speaker 1: So not super far. But I was born in d
Speaker 1: C and then lived around that DC Maryland, Virginia area
Speaker 1: for a little bit, and then in high school and moved.
Speaker 3: To California, California. Where in California, Pasadena? Oh there, Da,
Speaker 3: it's actually very nice and it's a really nice place.
Speaker 2: So you went to high school out here?
Speaker 1: I did? Yeah, I went to LaSalle High School shout
Speaker 1: out for two years. Shout out LaSalle in Pasadena.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, what was your So why did you move
Speaker 2: to California? Was this? Was this a parental thing?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So my mom's parents were living in California and
Speaker 1: she was looking for a little bit of a change
Speaker 1: and they were getting older, so it just made sense
Speaker 1: to go out there. We would go a couple of
Speaker 1: times a year anyway. So you just hit the bullet.
Speaker 2: He bit the bullet and moved out. What what were
Speaker 2: you interested in as a as a kid? What were
Speaker 2: you what were you focused on? What were you interested in?
Speaker 1: I was really I was a theater kid through and through.
Speaker 1: I was. Yes, I was just having this conversation with
Speaker 1: my cousin the other night and she was like, wait,
Speaker 1: how did you get into this again? I mean the
Speaker 1: The answer is I had a lot of allergies as
Speaker 1: a kid, and both my parents worked full time jobs,
Speaker 1: so I needed something to do from three to six
Speaker 1: pm that was indoors, okay, because I couldn't do the
Speaker 1: sports without having an athletsack or an allergy episode. So yeah,
Speaker 1: theater was kind of the answer for me, and I
Speaker 1: just liked it, so I stayed with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is like you're talking about like even
Speaker 2: elementary school or was this like in high school?
Speaker 1: Okay, probably starting around fifth grade, and so I was
Speaker 1: really into that. I was really I also liked winter
Speaker 1: activity sports, so I also because no pollen, I liked
Speaker 1: to ski and ice skate what you can also do
Speaker 1: in California, which was very exciting to learn, right, surf
Speaker 1: and ski in the same day.
Speaker 2: And we're are you doing Were you doing like school
Speaker 2: plays or were you branching out from that children's theater
Speaker 2: or Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was doing the school plays. We would do like
Speaker 1: one play in one musical year, and then I would
Speaker 1: also do some summer programs. I started to do those.
Speaker 1: I did like community Christmas time, theater productions, pretty much
Speaker 1: anything that would allow like a kid to just come
Speaker 1: and participate. I was. I was pretty into that.
Speaker 2: And when you moved to Pasadena, did you get into
Speaker 2: the I mean, I find it so lame, like to
Speaker 2: call it Hollywood, but for lack of a better, more
Speaker 2: accurate phrase, like did you start doing an agent thing
Speaker 2: or were you doing commercials or were you still pretty
Speaker 2: much just strictly doing theater in school and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was not doing all that stuff. I was
Speaker 1: really of all the kids who were. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be the kid who had to leave school early because
Speaker 1: I had an audition and sorry, I can't come. I'm
Speaker 1: going on the Disney Channel next week. But I was
Speaker 1: very much not that. My mom was like, you're gonna
Speaker 1: stay in school and if you do the play in school,
Speaker 1: that's fine. I think I went to like one quote
Speaker 1: unquote Hollywood audition and they required that we emancipated ourselves,
Speaker 1: and so my mother said absolutely not and we went home.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, I think I was.
Speaker 1: I could not even tell you what it was. I
Speaker 1: went in. I was so excited I got to do
Speaker 1: this one audition. It went really well. They called my
Speaker 1: mom and they're like, okay, so how do you guys
Speaker 1: feel about emancipation from your parent and I didn't know
Speaker 1: if that was so I was like, yeah, let's do it,
Speaker 1: and she said no, no, no, no, Wow.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know that was a real And what's
Speaker 2: the what's the point of that so they can better
Speaker 2: control you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's so they can screw you over.
Speaker 1: I think it's just like so they can have a
Speaker 1: fourteen year old sign on the dotted line and they
Speaker 1: don't need like a co uh, a co signer, no
Speaker 1: guardian or anything. You speak for yourself essentially, or you
Speaker 1: temporarily turn over your rights to somebody else. Like kind
Speaker 1: of interesting dark when I got into it.
Speaker 2: Wow, so that is that. That is not a good
Speaker 2: that's not a good start. I'm surprised you are where
Speaker 2: you are now, that's crazy, all right, So you you
Speaker 2: continue to do the theater stuff, and then what makes
Speaker 2: you decide now, okay, so you're doing theater because you
Speaker 2: have allergies. You need an activity to do, right, But
Speaker 2: when when is the moment for you that it changes
Speaker 2: and you decide, no, no, this is not an activity.
Speaker 2: Because everybody sort of has these moments right where it
Speaker 2: turns from an activity to like, oh no, I can
Speaker 2: this is what I want to do, Yeah, what what
Speaker 2: was that? What was that for you?
Speaker 1: I think it was less of a like Eureka moment
Speaker 1: and more of, you know, the span of a couple
Speaker 1: of years. And when I got to the age where
Speaker 1: the school play was no longer kind of a requirement
Speaker 1: or like you know, most kids didn't have to be
Speaker 1: in it, I kept doing it because I thought it
Speaker 1: was really fun. And I think that's really what has
Speaker 1: always been the motivating factor to me, is that it's
Speaker 1: just so much fun. And then in high school, when
Speaker 1: I moved to California, they had a pretty good arts department,
Speaker 1: and I joined their arts department. And really what it
Speaker 1: came down to is college application. Because for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: we ask seventeen year olds what they want to do
Speaker 1: for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. I charge them.
Speaker 1: Hundreds of thousands of dollars to follow through on that.
Speaker 1: So I had to really sit with myself and just say,
Speaker 1: what do I want to do for the rest of
Speaker 1: my life? And the only thing that came up for
Speaker 1: me really that I thought I was any good at
Speaker 1: or that made me happy, or that I could in
Speaker 1: reality see myself doing for a long time was acting
Speaker 1: and performing. So I applied to college with that. That's
Speaker 1: what I ended up majoring in. And luckily I had
Speaker 1: parents who are very supportive of that dream and saw
Speaker 1: it as a valid degree choice kind of path.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. You know, I think that we're rare.
Speaker 2: I mean, you make the joke, but you know it
Speaker 2: is true. It's it's insane that people are asked at
Speaker 2: that age like, so what do you want to study?
Speaker 2: What's your focus for work? Ever? But I think most
Speaker 2: people change like three or four, absolutely five times. But
Speaker 2: it sounds like you and myself, like once I got
Speaker 2: on the train and it was a similar time for
Speaker 2: me in high school. It was like, oh no, this
Speaker 2: is this is actually what I want to do. You
Speaker 2: went for it. Now you ended up going to the
Speaker 2: prestigious Tish School of the Arts. They're back in now
Speaker 2: your hometown of New York. Was this an audition process you, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you auditioned to get in there.
Speaker 1: Yes, this was probably. College auditions were probably the most
Speaker 1: stressful audition I've ever had in my life. And I'm
Speaker 1: including TV movies, Broadway like college auditions, you know, states
Speaker 1: were high and yes, so most schools require you to
Speaker 1: do a contemporary monologue and a contrasting classical monologue, if
Speaker 1: not more. And n Yu didn't ask for a classical monologue.
Speaker 1: They just wanted to contemporary monologues. And they sent a
Speaker 1: representative out to Los Angeles, which was nice, so I
Speaker 1: didn't have to fly across the country. It was in
Speaker 1: some hotel downtown where I think I later had prom
Speaker 1: It was weird, but we go in there. I was
Speaker 1: first of the day, first in line. I was like,
Speaker 1: I need to get this over with so I can
Speaker 1: start reading again. I go in there, I do my thing,
Speaker 1: and then they ask for I do both my monologue,
Speaker 1: and they ask for a classical monologue Shakespeare, and that
Speaker 1: was not something on their requirements, and I had not
Speaker 1: done it yet for my other auditions. I was keeping
Speaker 1: that in my back pocket because the time hadn't come yet.
Speaker 1: So I was panicking, and I remember taking my shoes off.
Speaker 1: I just to like ground myself, and I took my
Speaker 1: shoes off and I was in my socks and I
Speaker 1: did my Shakespeare and then I left and it was
Speaker 1: it was good. It ended up being working out. I
Speaker 1: really didn't expect it to happen. I think it was
Speaker 1: the only non California school I applied to It was
Speaker 1: a pipe dream, but yeah it was. You know, you're
Speaker 1: just sitting there in a hallway with other nervous, scared teenagers.
Speaker 2: Just imagine what was Tish where you wanted to go?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I had, I had, I had a
Speaker 1: top three and Tish was on the top three. But
Speaker 1: really I did not even think I would get in.
Speaker 1: It just seemed like such a a dream reach, you know,
Speaker 1: going to study acting in New York City. That's that
Speaker 1: could never happen to somebody like me. But it did,
Speaker 1: and I'm so glad I made that choice to apply
Speaker 1: to try and then.
Speaker 2: Also to go What did give you.
Speaker 1: A lot? And I also gave them a lot and
Speaker 1: I'm still giving them some every month. But I did
Speaker 1: get a lot out of that experience. I mean, I
Speaker 1: still live in New York and going to college here.
Speaker 1: My circle hasn't. I mean, I've met more people, but
Speaker 1: my college circle is now my professional circle. These are
Speaker 1: now people that hire me and I work with and
Speaker 1: we just see each other all the time and it's amazing.
Speaker 1: So it gave me a really amazing foundational community. You know,
Speaker 1: I moved here as a teenager and I was hanging
Speaker 1: out with other teenagers. And now these teenagers are associate
Speaker 1: directors on Broadway. They are in the casting office at
Speaker 1: CBS like we are, and we're friends. It gave me that,
Speaker 1: It gave me a great sense of independence. There's not
Speaker 1: much of a campus here. Our famous tedious slogan is
Speaker 1: the city is your campus. So and yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: they tell you. Give us all your money and we
Speaker 1: won't even give you a quad. But it did. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was going. I got an internship my freshman year
Speaker 1: that was in Lincoln Center. I was seeing art shows
Speaker 1: for free. I was taking advantage of all of the
Speaker 1: student discounts for museums and outings and all these wonderful things.
Speaker 1: So I felt like I grew up at my own speed,
Speaker 1: at my own pace, but in a place that was
Speaker 1: really built for me. I really felt a deep connection
Speaker 1: to New York. I still do. I love it here
Speaker 1: so much, and coming here through college was a really
Speaker 1: fortunate transition. Wasn't just here had to figure stuff out?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you bring up a couple of super
Speaker 2: interesting points in terms of you know, you're in this
Speaker 2: school and as you say, there's no quad, the city's
Speaker 2: your campus, But it sounds like you really took advantage
Speaker 2: of that and having though that variety of experience. It's
Speaker 2: sort of the opposite of most college experiences, right, because
Speaker 2: I feel like, almost intentionally, most colleges are we are
Speaker 2: a bubble to help protect you and help you to
Speaker 2: become who you're going to become. Right, I mean it's
Speaker 2: like we're it's insular in a way, whereas it sounds
Speaker 2: to me like for you, you had because you went
Speaker 2: to NYU and you have these discounts. You didn't have
Speaker 2: money or whatever, and but you were able to go
Speaker 2: out and have those experiences in the city, which, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, let's be honest, that's an that's a part
Speaker 2: of the education I think of itself.
Speaker 1: Right, Probably the best sell NYU can make is where
Speaker 1: it is. It is New York University, so you get
Speaker 1: New York that is promised. Yeah. I felt like a
Speaker 1: baby bird being shoved out of the nest. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we the adjustment period was brief because the city ways
Speaker 1: for no one and then you just get on board
Speaker 1: and it's been amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you feel like you like there's an experience
Speaker 2: from when you're in high school and you're working on
Speaker 2: shows and you have accomplished have you know, you've had
Speaker 2: a various degree of success or whatever. You go to NYU,
Speaker 2: which is an actor training program, which is the same
Speaker 2: type of school that I went to. Do you feel
Speaker 2: like you were I always felt like I was sort
Speaker 2: of punched in the face very quickly about like, oh, no, son,
Speaker 2: you don't know, you don't know anything. Yeah, right, like
Speaker 2: you have you know, instincts, you have stage presence, but no,
Speaker 2: this is do you feel like was that your experience
Speaker 2: as well? Like here we're now going to tell you
Speaker 2: how this actually works.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a lot of uh that going on
Speaker 1: in those first couple of weeks we had We had
Speaker 1: people drop out in the first couple of weeks. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's stark, and it's sudden. It's like, you know, ice,
Speaker 1: cold water just being thrown on your face, right, And
Speaker 1: a lot of kids who were previously big fishes in
Speaker 1: little ponds, right and now diny minnows in the Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 1: So I knew that going in, though I wanted that.
Speaker 1: I wanted kind of to be punched in the face
Speaker 1: a little because to me, that makes it real. I
Speaker 1: wanted the hard work. I didn't want to fall into
Speaker 1: any type of misconception that I'm going to move to
Speaker 1: New York and like walk straight onto a set the
Speaker 1: day I graduate. I wanted it to feel like I
Speaker 1: was working hard so that when I accomplished things, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be afraid of them. But we yeah, we had.
Speaker 1: I think probably what like a third didn't come back
Speaker 1: for second year, switched majors or switched schools, switch cities.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not for everybody, but it did happen.
Speaker 1: I had a teacher on one of my first acting classes.
Speaker 1: She just walks in the door and she goes, how
Speaker 1: many of you have divorced parents? And you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's kind of personal. But I raised my hand and
Speaker 1: said it a couple of other people and she said,
Speaker 1: I don't really know why the rest of you are
Speaker 1: even here. And I was thinking to myself, what thing
Speaker 1: to say looking around at all the happily married, a
Speaker 1: couple of parent children in the room, well the tables
Speaker 1: and turns.
Speaker 2: Did you want to do theater? You wanted to be
Speaker 2: an actor? You went you, you got in as an actor.
Speaker 2: Did you want to do theater? What? Where? Where was
Speaker 2: your brain? I mean you're still young, so I mean
Speaker 2: you transition pretty quickly. But were did you want to
Speaker 2: be an actor in anything? Did you have a particular
Speaker 2: view in mind for what your future held.
Speaker 1: I think I went in like everybody else, wanting to
Speaker 1: be in movies and on a hit television show with
Speaker 1: many seasons and spin offs and reboots. And then I
Speaker 1: got to New York and I really fell in love
Speaker 1: with theater. I'd already been doing it, but to see
Speaker 1: it done at a professional level consistently everywhere I went
Speaker 1: was so inspiring, and I really wanted to do that.
Speaker 1: So my junior year I actually opted to go study
Speaker 1: abroad in London and study at RADA because I wanted
Speaker 1: classical training. I wanted to go see West End shows,
Speaker 1: fringe shows. I wanted to be in it. And then
Speaker 1: I came back in my senior year, I went to
Speaker 1: the film and television studio to just kind of go
Speaker 1: the other way, and I was like, oh, yeah, I
Speaker 1: really do like this stuff, so ultimately I'm all, I
Speaker 1: like all of it. I want to do all of it.
Speaker 1: I just did a play and it was the first
Speaker 1: play I'd done in a while, and it felt so good,
Speaker 1: you know, I was exhausted. I made no money, and
Speaker 1: I couldn't have been happier I was. It just felt,
Speaker 1: you know, your whole body gets engaged, and it's a
Speaker 1: nice reminder for why I got into this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny, I I think. I think that's the
Speaker 2: difference between NYU and most other actor conservatory training programs.
Speaker 2: I think because you said you entered of course wanting
Speaker 2: TV series like that was never in my consciousness early on,
Speaker 2: Like I just wanted to be an actor in the
Speaker 2: theater like that was like that was the only thing
Speaker 2: that I wanted and the only thing that I thought
Speaker 2: that I would ever do, And I didn't even really
Speaker 2: think about that. NYU has great actor training. How much
Speaker 2: training are you getting? I mean you said, and I
Speaker 2: don't know exactly what this means when you went back
Speaker 2: your senior year film and television, Are you getting film
Speaker 2: and television acting training as well, or training in the
Speaker 2: business at all, or how does that work there?
Speaker 1: Yeah? They have so at ny you have to do
Speaker 1: primary training first, so when you go you get sorted
Speaker 1: into a studio. I always compare it to the Harry
Speaker 1: Potter sorting hat. It's all the same school, but different
Speaker 1: acting techniques, right, you don't get to choose, and you
Speaker 1: have to stay there for two years. And then after
Speaker 1: your two years you can go abroad, you can try
Speaker 1: a different acting studio, or you can go do your
Speaker 1: film and TV stuff, but you're not allowed to do
Speaker 1: until you finish your theater training. So there's a school
Speaker 1: NYU called Stone Street Studios, and that's the film and
Speaker 1: TV side of things, and they really try and make
Speaker 1: it all of those all of those things that you're
Speaker 1: talking about. So it's you know, you work on camera
Speaker 1: with scene work, scene study, but you also have classes
Speaker 1: on how to read a call sheet and what a
Speaker 1: typical contract might look like. And we have guest speakers
Speaker 1: come in and then we have to role plaze the
Speaker 1: first eighty, the second eighty, the boom op, the gaffer,
Speaker 1: like you learn those things, which I actually found to
Speaker 1: be the most valuable part of the whole education at
Speaker 1: Stone Street was just learning how a set actually runs.
Speaker 1: I don't know, nobody's gonna slow it down and explain
Speaker 1: it to you want to get there.
Speaker 2: I know that, and I was when I started in
Speaker 2: film and television. I was much older and knew not
Speaker 2: absolutely nothing. And that's what I always say, like, in
Speaker 2: some ways the hardest part of the job is like
Speaker 2: figuring out how it actually works. Like if it's just
Speaker 2: about saying your lines in character to another person, I'm
Speaker 2: good with that. Like wait, why is this? Why is
Speaker 2: this person under me? Why am I rattling this person
Speaker 2: right now? I'm saying everyone close, everyone, so in my
Speaker 2: face all the time. Yeah, uh, that's that's fascinating. All right.
Speaker 2: So you graduate, You're in the big city. What what
Speaker 2: what are you? What are you trying to do? Are
Speaker 2: you just trying to work? It doesn't matter where it is.
Speaker 1: So I immediately I've been working as like hearing their
Speaker 1: jobs through college Marista nannying, And then when I graduated,
Speaker 1: I started working at a gym because I wanted to
Speaker 1: have my days free to go sit around for hours
Speaker 1: at Actors Equity and like hope to get seen for
Speaker 1: an audition. So I would start my work day at
Speaker 1: like four point thirty in the morning so that I
Speaker 1: could be done by noon and then I could go
Speaker 1: to Actors Equity and wait for six hours and then
Speaker 1: maybe get seen live in the dream. So that was
Speaker 1: post grad immediately, and I had done a showcase in
Speaker 1: my senior year. Second semester and I had met my
Speaker 1: manager and she was kind of just like, I like you,
Speaker 1: let's see how this goes. So she would send me
Speaker 1: little auditions here and there. I got my first TV appearance,
Speaker 1: which was very cool for me, on one of those
Speaker 1: New York courtroom shows. What was it was Madam Secretary.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's what I thought, Madam Secretary.
Speaker 1: She wasn't that one. One wasn't actually that court roomy,
Speaker 1: but it was. It's, you know, very New York type show.
Speaker 2: Media Costello, Media Costello in Madam Secretary. So how was
Speaker 2: that experience? Like being on a set for the first.
Speaker 1: Time is incredible, I am. I mean every time I
Speaker 1: step on a set, it's amazing. But I don't think
Speaker 1: anything can really top the first time that you get
Speaker 1: to go and you're sitting in the hair and makeup
Speaker 1: chair and you're handed your scene for the day, and
Speaker 1: you know, you get to talk to the director, you
Speaker 1: get to talk to the actor who you've been watching
Speaker 1: on television, Like there's just something so exciting about that.
Speaker 1: I was nervous, so nervous, and I even now sometimes
Speaker 1: when I watch that scene back, like, oh goodness, girl,
Speaker 1: loosen up. Read a little bit, but you know, all
Speaker 1: in time, it was. It was a really fun day.
Speaker 1: I was just so happy, and I remember calling my
Speaker 1: parents and I was like, I'm gonna be on TEAMV.
Speaker 1: It was so exciting.
Speaker 2: But you were you were nervous, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I was nervous. I was really nervous.
Speaker 2: How many days did you have that first time?
Speaker 1: I was there for five hours? It was not days.
Speaker 1: A scene where we were sitting at a table, so
Speaker 1: they did one over the shoulder, another over the shoulder,
Speaker 1: wid at a medium. They called it okay.
Speaker 2: You end up working on some other shows there in
Speaker 2: New York, Bull for one, The Good Fight. Do you
Speaker 2: do you feel like you start gaining confidence with these
Speaker 2: guest stars, you start feeling more comfortable, or is every
Speaker 2: time you still get nervous.
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I find new reasons to get nervous
Speaker 1: every time. It's different nerves. But when I was on
Speaker 1: The Good Fight, I was My scene was with Audrey
Speaker 1: McDonald and then Christine Baranski's sitting right across the table
Speaker 1: from us, and I have to be talking about my
Speaker 1: dead friend and I'm just in the presence of legends,
Speaker 1: trying to sitting on a stand in a courtroom, so
Speaker 1: everyone's just staring at me, and I'm staring at Audre
Speaker 1: McDonald and she smelled so good and I just wanted
Speaker 1: her to come stand next to me, and so that
Speaker 1: made me nervous, but that was also a really it
Speaker 1: ended up being a really fun day and Bull. I
Speaker 1: was nervous because it was my first day, my first
Speaker 1: job where I was on for multiple days. So I
Speaker 1: was on Bull for I think ten days, So I
Speaker 1: was nervous about that, you know, building a character, an
Speaker 1: arc or something like that. But all of the previous
Speaker 1: experiences inform the next one, which is great, But it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean I'm not going to be nervous every time
Speaker 1: I step onto a set, because it's always something new
Speaker 1: to be nervous about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you did a lot. I mean I
Speaker 2: have seven here listed in front of me. I won't
Speaker 2: go through all the titles, but a lot of short
Speaker 2: films gaining experience. Now is this are these projects that
Speaker 2: you're doing with some of your NYU cohorts. You guys
Speaker 2: are putting stuff together, just trying to work there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Some of them were NYU friends that we were,
Speaker 1: you know, working with. Some were casting calls that I
Speaker 1: answered in college just for other universities looking for actors.
Speaker 1: One of my teachers had a friend who was making
Speaker 1: a production who needed somebody and recommended me. And oh
Speaker 1: I also spent a summer at Williamstown Theater Festival.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, me.
Speaker 1: Eighteen and I was an apprentice there, and I'd say
Speaker 1: second to NYU, if not even on par with NYU
Speaker 1: as far as networking and meeting people, that was really great.
Speaker 1: So a lot of those short films came out of
Speaker 1: collaboration with people from there. You know, you just pick
Speaker 1: up people along the way, and especially with social media
Speaker 1: now you can just get connected so easily. Right, So
Speaker 1: people are always looking for somebody to be in their
Speaker 1: short film, and if you have the patience to do it,
Speaker 1: they'll let you do it.
Speaker 2: Right. At this point, you're auditioning, trying to find work,
Speaker 2: working some in the theater. As you mentioned before, how
Speaker 2: do you meet the folks on the other Black Girl?
Speaker 1: So, yes, I was coming out of When was that
Speaker 1: so twenty twenty one? Is that twenty twenty one? Yes,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, the top of twenty to twenty one.
Speaker 1: I'm coming off of like a year nothing. I had
Speaker 1: signed with my agent in February twenty twenty, and then
Speaker 1: we all know what happens two weeks.
Speaker 2: Later, right right, was just there was great timing.
Speaker 1: Great timing. I yeah, fresh out of school. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take this by the whole, nothing, nothing, silence.
Speaker 1: So top of between twenty one, I think one of
Speaker 1: my first auditions is I get something in my inbox
Speaker 1: says like untitled Insidious project, and I didn't know what
Speaker 1: that meant, so I was like, I'm just gonna submit.
Speaker 1: I get a call back, and then I find out
Speaker 1: it's the Insidious franchise, like the horror movies, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I actually love these. So I end
Speaker 1: up booking that, and I while I'm on set for that,
Speaker 1: I get this audition for the show called The Other
Speaker 1: Black Girl. At this point, I'm sleeping on my friend's
Speaker 1: couch underneath his bookshelf, and on his bookshelf is The
Speaker 1: Other Black Girl. And so I novel the novel the book.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at my computer and I said, I've
Speaker 1: seen that before, and I just turn around and grabbed
Speaker 1: the book and start reading. And I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well great, but I'm also trying to learn my lines
Speaker 1: for this movie I'm doing, so I'm not really that focused.
Speaker 1: So I when it comes time for my audition, I'm
Speaker 1: on set for Insidious, I have to talk to the
Speaker 1: director before Patrick Wilson. He was so lovely for this.
Speaker 1: He gave me like an extra long lunch break and
Speaker 1: he moved around the schedule so I could do this
Speaker 1: zoom audition for the other Black Girl. And it was
Speaker 1: great because I was already in hair makeup and I
Speaker 1: was like, I feel fabulous, and so that was how
Speaker 1: I got my first audition for that, and I auditioned
Speaker 1: for Nella and then when they called me back, they
Speaker 1: wanted me to read for Hazel. So I read for
Speaker 1: Hazel and then they said, actually, you know, we kind
Speaker 1: of feel like you fall in between these two characters
Speaker 1: too much, so we're going to pass. And I was
Speaker 1: pretty disappointed because I was like, I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like I could do this. I feel like I get
Speaker 1: this person character. But you know what happens. They passed,
Speaker 1: and then three weeks later they called me back and
Speaker 1: they said, we actually want to have you back in
Speaker 1: for Nola. And at that point it just goes like
Speaker 1: rapid fire. It's pretty much a call a week or
Speaker 1: two calls a week or something like that. But it
Speaker 1: ended up being like a July to October process.
Speaker 2: How many times did you read for them?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: How many times?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I want to say. I did my Nella,
Speaker 1: I did my Hazel. I think I did one more
Speaker 1: Nella after that, and then I did kind of like
Speaker 1: a bracket style chemistry read which took three hours, and
Speaker 1: then I did two chemistry reads with Ashley, who ended
Speaker 1: up playing Hazel. And then once I got the role,
Speaker 1: I did chemistry reads with all the Owens, all the Malaikahs.
Speaker 1: So I was on the phone with these people a lot.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't.
Speaker 1: Even remember point I had the job. I was just like,
Speaker 1: I hope there's a job at the end of this.
Speaker 2: Wow. I had no idea.
Speaker 1: It was quite the process. Yes, So also different countries.
Speaker 1: I was traveling. I was on vacation, so I was
Speaker 1: on a road trip on in a van in Iceland
Speaker 1: when I had my first chemistry read and they said
Speaker 1: we want to see you tomorrow. So I had to
Speaker 1: get on my phone and find the nearest hotel on
Speaker 1: the Icelandic like country side where the whole country's population
Speaker 1: is like two hundred and fifty thousand people found one
Speaker 1: room with the strongest WiFi in Iceland. I still think
Speaker 1: about that hotel.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And I did. I did my my reads in there.
Speaker 1: My friend sat in the van. Wow, it was chaos.
Speaker 2: That's incredible. Did you when you when you were when
Speaker 2: you were sleeping under the bookshelf and you turned around
Speaker 2: and you picked up the book. Did you respond to
Speaker 2: the book? I mean, I know you wanted a job
Speaker 2: and spoiler alert, it's the lead, But did you respond
Speaker 2: did you respond to the to the to the book?
Speaker 2: Was there? Yes? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean when I picked up the book, I read
Speaker 1: the back or the inside cover wherever the synopsis was,
Speaker 1: and I said, this sounds really, really good. And then
Speaker 1: I read the first couple of chapters. And then they
Speaker 1: had also sent me the pilot, so I read the
Speaker 1: pilot script and between I did all of that at
Speaker 1: the same time. So between all of that, I was
Speaker 1: already pretty hooked. I really felt like I knew who
Speaker 1: Nella was and I identified with a lot of the
Speaker 1: things that I was reading about her. And I didn't
Speaker 1: finish the book until the end of the audition process.
Speaker 1: I kind of didn't want to know how it ended,
Speaker 1: but I was as they were sending me scripts, I
Speaker 1: was reading little bits of the book and just kind
Speaker 1: of getting more and more interested. And since it's it's
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily mystery, but thriller. The not knowing, I
Speaker 1: thought was helping me. I Wela doesn't know what's happening
Speaker 1: to her, so I shouldn't know what's happening either.
Speaker 2: That's very That's very interesting and astute of you. I think.
Speaker 2: By the way, the other black Girl New York Times
Speaker 2: best selling book, Rave Book made into a series. Now,
Speaker 2: did you have any connection with Rashida Jones.
Speaker 1: Besides being a lifelong fan. Nope. I saw her name
Speaker 1: and I was I called my dad had Jones. That's
Speaker 1: what it says. Unless there's another one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had no idea. They put you guys through
Speaker 2: the ringer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was you know, and we all got there
Speaker 1: and I was talking to everybody else, and Ashley had
Speaker 1: a similar experience. I think they wanted to get it
Speaker 1: right that those two relationship, I understand, you know, it
Speaker 1: was you could find one but maybe didn't have great
Speaker 1: chemistry with the other. And they made Ashley and I. I
Speaker 1: think Ashley and I tested together two or three times
Speaker 1: and it took hours, but nobody was trying to be
Speaker 1: aloof about it. At one point, Todd, our producing director,
Speaker 1: straight up set He's like, we really like you too,
Speaker 1: and we really like you two together, so we're just
Speaker 1: going to give you some stuff to heighten it so
Speaker 1: we can send it off to the people at Hulu
Speaker 1: and they'll love you as much as we do. And
Speaker 1: I appreciated that transparency.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. You get this job, your first obviously
Speaker 2: central leading role of a big series. Now, is there
Speaker 2: nerves from you in beginning to work on the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nerves. It's a whole new thing to be
Speaker 1: nervous about.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I I don't even know how to tell you the
Speaker 1: nerves I was experiencing. But yes, lead of a show
Speaker 1: that was a very well liked book, that's going to
Speaker 1: be on a very popular streaming platform. And everyone kept
Speaker 1: reminding me that, like, this is so cool. You're going
Speaker 1: to be the lead of a hula show. You've never
Speaker 1: done that before.
Speaker 2: Yes, I know, yeah, I know that.
Speaker 1: So you know, I was really happy that we got
Speaker 1: to go down a few weeks before we started shooting,
Speaker 1: so we got to talk to everybody, We got to
Speaker 1: do a few rehearsals, which I think is pretty rare
Speaker 1: in the space, and had got to have a relationship
Speaker 1: with the people we'd be spending the next four months
Speaker 1: with ahead of time. And because the show moved so quickly,
Speaker 1: we shot ten episodes in under four months, and we
Speaker 1: were block shooting, so we were shooting multiple episodes at
Speaker 1: the same time. The timeline was all messed up. We're
Speaker 1: having different directors come in, we're having new actors join us. Honestly,
Speaker 1: all that was going on really didn't give me enough
Speaker 1: time to be nervous after a while, which I really appreciated.
Speaker 1: We were just so busy and everyone there cared about
Speaker 1: what we were making so much, and I was actually
Speaker 1: just having so much fun because we had so many
Speaker 1: amazing comedians on set and funny people that the whole
Speaker 1: energy vibe was light, even though we were doing this
Speaker 1: pretty herculean thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's interesting because you know, there are
Speaker 2: you and Ashley and a lot of the other actors
Speaker 2: who well, primarily one young with less experience, and then
Speaker 2: you know you have people coming in like Eric McCormick
Speaker 2: and Bellamy Young. Well, I was there. I was there
Speaker 2: for a little bit, but I really enjoyed my work
Speaker 2: with you. I thought you were fantastic to work with
Speaker 2: and so open and receptive to Shenanigans that I would
Speaker 2: try to.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it with you. I appreciated it because that
Speaker 1: was still kind of early on in our process. So
Speaker 1: every curveball took me out of my own head a
Speaker 1: little bit. And I remember specifically that that that we
Speaker 1: were doing where you know, Nella's fighting tooth and nail
Speaker 1: through an apology and we got really I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know what you and Dodd talked about, but every
Speaker 1: take was different and I appreciated it. It was It
Speaker 1: was great. But yes, being the youngest, the greenest on
Speaker 1: set was daunting until I realized nobody else cared. They
Speaker 1: they were They just wanted us all to do a
Speaker 1: good job. Nobody was whispering, she's so young, this is
Speaker 1: her first big job. They were like, we'd all hang
Speaker 1: out in the actors holding and joke around and everybody
Speaker 1: was just there was no hierarchy of of uh, you know,
Speaker 1: status or anything. We were all chilling together and it
Speaker 1: was really nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean it certainly helps that you're really good. No,
Speaker 2: I mean, let's be honest about it, because if I mean,
Speaker 2: if you were bad, yeah, there would have there would
Speaker 2: have been tons of whisky. Yeah, yeah, there would have been,
Speaker 2: especially from that McCormick guy. He is yeah, he is evil.
Speaker 2: Love he can be he can be so evil. So
Speaker 2: the show out in September.
Speaker 1: We're in the middle of sixty days, six days ago.
Speaker 2: Today, sixty days ago today.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe not six days, two months.
Speaker 2: Months, yeah, September, that's right, September thirteenth. We how did
Speaker 2: let me tell you something. I felt horribly for you
Speaker 2: and for Ashley, because I I just felt like this
Speaker 2: was not fair to the two of you. Obviously, spoiler
Speaker 2: alert for those of you listening. The show comes out
Speaker 2: and we're in the middle of the first actor strike
Speaker 2: in over fifty years. That's right, the last actor strike.
Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan was president of the Union, not of the
Speaker 2: United States. So it's over fifty years ago since the
Speaker 2: last strike. And so they're making up rules as we
Speaker 2: go along because there's no playbook to what happens, and
Speaker 2: we're told that we cannot promote shows that that is
Speaker 2: part of our job, which it is, is to promote shows,
Speaker 2: and we were on strike, so that is not something
Speaker 2: we were to do. And let me tell you, I
Speaker 2: felt horribly for you and for Ashley because your work
Speaker 2: is so strong and the material is so good. The
Speaker 2: end product, which I watched by myself without talking about
Speaker 2: it either, was so strong that I felt terribly for
Speaker 2: you that you were not able to go through the
Speaker 2: experience and get the attention that you deserved to get
Speaker 2: for the work that you did. Was that difficult for
Speaker 2: you for it to come out and not be able
Speaker 2: to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would be lying if I said it wasn't difficult.
Speaker 2: Don't lie.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it was such a conplex amalgamation of conflicting emotions.
Speaker 1: It was just, you know, highs and lows every day.
Speaker 1: I think that the actor strike was announced on June
Speaker 1: twelfth or July twelfth, and our show, the Hollywood Reporter
Speaker 1: announced our show's release date, so we were almost exactly
Speaker 1: in line with the actors strike. So we had been
Speaker 1: told in advance, you know, keep your summer open. We
Speaker 1: have this big press rollout. We had talks about maybe
Speaker 1: going up to Tiff and you know, they wanted to
Speaker 1: do the talk show circuits and they wanted to do
Speaker 1: all this, and it was so exciting also because you know,
Speaker 1: this was my first anything of the size, and then
Speaker 1: to learn in one day that none of that was
Speaker 1: going to be happening, and that they were also going
Speaker 1: to release the show without the promo and not bump
Speaker 1: the release date we had. Yeah, that day was tough.
Speaker 1: That that that learning that was like, oh no, the
Speaker 1: next six months of my life that I've kind of
Speaker 1: cleared out for this big thing is just not going
Speaker 1: to happen anymore. But the show did still come out,
Speaker 1: and though we were not allowed to talk about it
Speaker 1: publicly or promote it publicly or post about it, it
Speaker 1: really kind of personalized this experience for me because I
Speaker 1: still heard from a lot of people. I still got
Speaker 1: texts and calls and messages from folks I haven't heard
Speaker 1: from in years, or I don't even know directly, and
Speaker 1: they'd be sending me random billboards from Cincinnati or Los
Speaker 1: Angeles or Chicago or Philadelphia. People from different countries are
Speaker 1: reaching out to me saying they've watched the show, and
Speaker 1: it's given me a little bit more time to read
Speaker 1: those messages and have conversations with the people in my
Speaker 1: life who were happy for me and have been following
Speaker 1: this accomplishment. And at the end of the day, as
Speaker 1: fun as all that stuff would have been, you can't
Speaker 1: really miss what you never had. I am excited for
Speaker 1: whatever project will allow me to have those type of experiences,
Speaker 1: but I am no less proud of the work that
Speaker 1: we did on this show. I'm glad that SAG was
Speaker 1: able to get a deal that they feel is fair
Speaker 1: so that next time we can go all out. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you know it was. It was a lot of conflicting
Speaker 1: emotions over the past couple of months, but ultimately ruled
Speaker 1: by gratitude.
Speaker 2: Good for you. That's uh, it's it's very mature. And look,
Speaker 2: let me be let me, let me be honest with you.
Speaker 2: That stuff isn't fun. It's really not it's really not funk.
Speaker 2: It sounds it sounds it's way it sounds way better
Speaker 2: than it is. But that being said, I was really
Speaker 2: upset for particularly for the two of you now, because
Speaker 2: you deserved to get that attention and I wanted. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: the point of all of that promotion, fun or not,
Speaker 2: is to get people to watch and so you know. Look,
Speaker 2: it's part of what the fight was about, is not
Speaker 2: having information about the streaming. I have no idea. I
Speaker 2: will tell you this, which means absolutely nothing. But I
Speaker 2: was set by my publicist the day that the trailer
Speaker 2: came out, which said, you know, hey, here's the trailer
Speaker 2: of your new show. Don't tweet about it, don't talk
Speaker 2: about it, don't share it with anybody. But just what
Speaker 2: was it for your not for your information, but I
Speaker 2: don't know, for your consciousness. I don't know. They said
Speaker 2: the trailer, and I clicked on it, and I showed
Speaker 2: it to someone the next day. So I clicked on
Speaker 2: it the next day and there were three or four
Speaker 2: million views of this thing within twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it got traction.
Speaker 2: That got subtraction. Now I don't know if people watch
Speaker 2: the show or not, but I hope to God that
Speaker 2: they did. Now for those of you who haven't seen
Speaker 2: the other Black Girl one, do because I mean, jesus,
Speaker 2: I'm in it. But too more importantly, Sinclair is in it.
Speaker 2: I was there through I think episode five. So we're
Speaker 2: not going to give spoilers away here because I really
Speaker 2: want people to go and watch the show. But I
Speaker 2: do want to mention something because I was gone at
Speaker 2: five there was a unscheduled and by the way, who
Speaker 2: knows if we're allowed to talk about this, but I
Speaker 2: don't really care. There was an unse scheduled hiatus that
Speaker 2: happened during the course of the show because of quote
Speaker 2: wanting to go in a slightly different direction at the
Speaker 2: end of the series. Was this done with the thought
Speaker 2: of bringing it back for season two.
Speaker 1: I wish people would include me in those conversations. I
Speaker 1: have to imagine, you know, like, what's the plan? I was.
Speaker 2: No, I it's no, it's more from me watching it.
Speaker 2: It ends differently it had than what had been when
Speaker 2: I was there. It ended differently than what it was
Speaker 2: explained to how it was explained to me.
Speaker 1: We were ending You really see, I didn't. I did
Speaker 1: not ask for the ending. I did not want to
Speaker 1: know what the ending was, similar to like reading the book,
Speaker 1: so I didn't figure out how they were going to
Speaker 1: end it until I read the episode ten script. But
Speaker 1: it does feel because it's different than the book.
Speaker 2: So it's different than the book. It's different and that's
Speaker 2: what I mean. No one was filling me. I wasn't
Speaker 2: in high level meetings. It was more conversations about it
Speaker 2: and then when I watched it, because I didn't know
Speaker 2: really what had happened after, you know, I didn't know
Speaker 2: the end of the story from the serious perspective I
Speaker 2: had read the book, and I went, oh, oh, well, yeah, oh.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well I felt I felt like, you know, if
Speaker 1: they're taking an extra couple of weeks to go and
Speaker 1: rewrite the ending of a story that already has an end, right,
Speaker 1: then that probably means that they want to do something
Speaker 1: with the story as a whole, I would think, because
Speaker 1: I mean, there's literally a book that could tell you
Speaker 1: how to end it right, But to make a different choice,
Speaker 1: a more left open choice, feels intentional. And obviously nobody
Speaker 1: knew that we were going to release this show into
Speaker 1: the strike, but I would hope that that intention is
Speaker 1: still alive.
Speaker 2: And well, yeah, well I hope so too. Maybe Colin
Speaker 2: will come back and melt down in some other horrific
Speaker 2: way as well. Hope. I so enjoyed your work, and
Speaker 2: I enjoyed one. I enjoyed working with you, and two
Speaker 2: to see your journey played out, the complex of your performance,
Speaker 2: the depth of your performance, and the reality of your
Speaker 2: performance was stunning to watch, and you know what I
Speaker 2: told you is true the within I'm gonna be real.
Speaker 2: Within twelve minutes of me getting a text that the
Speaker 2: strike was over, I emailed I couldn't find your number,
Speaker 2: and I emailed Jordan and Gus and said, I need
Speaker 2: to get a hold of Sinclair because.
Speaker 1: They've reached out, like the same day.
Speaker 2: Because I wanted to have you on. I wanted to
Speaker 2: talk to you about you and your experience and and
Speaker 2: the show because it's a show that deserves to be seen,
Speaker 2: and I just I wish it all of the best,
Speaker 2: and I hope we get to do it again sometimes.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, I do too. It was truly the
Speaker 1: most fun I've ever had on a job and exactly
Speaker 1: why I do this and really affirming, and to do
Speaker 1: that again would be such a blessing.
Speaker 2: Awesome. Congratulations. I'm I'm happy to hear you just went
Speaker 2: back and did something in the theater as well. One
Speaker 2: of these one of these days, one of these days,
Speaker 2: I'll follow you and Eric back. Did you see his show?
Speaker 1: Yeah? We had three the other Black Girl members on
Speaker 1: Broadway this fall, and I went to opening night of
Speaker 1: all of them. Cheered my pants off. It was amazing.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the theater was calling, you know. Yeah, returning it
Speaker 1: was fun. I did see Eric. He's hilarious. I didn't
Speaker 1: expect anything less like truly just drove the whole show
Speaker 1: with his comedic timing. It was phenomenal.
Speaker 2: He's the best. Oh, such a good time. Thank you
Speaker 2: for coming on and taking the time to talk to me.
Speaker 2: Good luck and everybody out there. I'm serious, go and
Speaker 2: watch on the aforementioned Hulu The Other Black Girl starring
Speaker 2: Sinclair Daniel. I promise you this, you won't be disappointed.
Speaker 2: You won't be disappointed. Thanks Sinclair.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Brian.
Speaker 2: Sinclair. So great to have you on today. It was
Speaker 2: such a pleasure to talk to you, a pleasure to
Speaker 2: work with you. I'm so happy that I could finally
Speaker 2: talk about this show that I do, really, really love,
Speaker 2: and truly you're a big part of why I love
Speaker 2: it so much. If you haven't already, go watch The
Speaker 2: Other Black Girl streaming on Hulu. You're gonna love Sinclair.
Speaker 2: You'll get a glimpse of me as well. You probably
Speaker 2: forgot what I look like because all you do is
Speaker 2: hear my voice now, but check it out. Yeah, We're back, Baby,
Speaker 2: We're back. I will see you next week. Off the
Speaker 2: Beat is hosted and executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner,
Speaker 2: alongside our executive producer Ling Lee. Our senior producer is
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