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Speaker 3: about here today. We got Chum's inside pass yesterday talking

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Speaker 3: when we play a little true or false. But thirteen

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Speaker 3: games on last night, and I know I was bouncing

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Speaker 3: this morning, so I thought we could do what it's

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Speaker 3: becoming a staple here on No Dunks, drafting last night's

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Speaker 3: best games or the ones with the most interesting storylines,

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Speaker 3: whatever you want. Really, in tests, you get the number

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Speaker 3: one pick. Here, I say we do three rounds, so

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Speaker 3: we'll get to almost half of the games. What do

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Speaker 4: Well, it's all about the Zion Williamson for me, just

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Speaker 4: like it was in Las Vegas when people just kept

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Speaker 4: talking about how large Zion Williamson is, that he's overweight

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Speaker 4: and just can't play to his abilities. Well, watching him

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Speaker 4: against the Minnesota Timberwolves, who have a large team themselves.

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Speaker 4: They got a big front line. We saw what Zion

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Speaker 4: little space on the floor, just dancing to the ram.

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Speaker 4: He was able to do that very efficient. Thirteen for

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Speaker 4: seventeen Wow, thirty six points for him in a plus

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Speaker 4: twenty six overall. This was a little like the Lakers

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Speaker 4: versus the Pacers in that final, where the Lakers just

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Speaker 4: went into the painting, got business done even though the

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Speaker 4: Pacers had more threes us like this happened to the Pelicans,

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Speaker 4: where the Timberwolves were able to hit threes, didn't matter

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Speaker 4: because Zion was super duper aggressive. I just love watching

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Speaker 4: him dance the spins around Karl Anthony Towns or Nas

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Speaker 4: Reed or Jada McDaniel's great to see him back. He

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Speaker 4: went through him. It was just a little ridiculous how

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Speaker 4: the media went after Zion. Of course, he had a

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Speaker 4: bad game, and maybe they treated Las Vegas the way

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Speaker 4: a lot of people do go have some fun. Possibly

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Speaker 4: we do not know. But to hear him, to hear

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Speaker 4: media say this guy is just overweight to I had to.

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Speaker 4: I had to read this quote. This quote was amazing

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Speaker 4: did you hear the Stephen Asash, Yeah, basically saying, quote,

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Speaker 4: you got chefs in New Orleans. The word out on

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Speaker 4: that he's so hungry, basically making fun of Zion that

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Speaker 4: he's too large. Well, he is large, and that's why

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Speaker 4: he can get thirty six points against the Wolves, who

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Speaker 4: level Again, he did, he did. He did like put it,

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Speaker 4: We go back twelve months ago, we were sitting here

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we had Steven A. Smith making fun basically calling

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately hot start and then he really quieted. What I

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Speaker 2: At the line. Yeah, that's more like it.

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Speaker 3: That's I mean, that's what he needs to be flirting

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Speaker 3: So really good game and again a big win for

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Speaker 3: Second overall, give me the Kings setting a franchise record

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Speaker 3: for threes with twenty five made last night. They beat

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Speaker 3: nice stretch of basketball here, but the Kings punked them.

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Speaker 3: Everybody was on fire from deep. Daron Fox five to ten,

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Speaker 3: Keegan Murray, he might be back back. He hit four

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they can get after it on the perimeter. They

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Speaker 4: But I love to see Keegan Murray speaking of Vegas.

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Speaker 4: And Yeah, it's a little slow start for the Kings,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Kings, Harold pointed out this morning, it

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Speaker 3: in fact had the highlight that wasn't tass an old

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw it. He tried a

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Speaker 3: They're over good Nets team. I mean again, this is

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Speaker 3: Yes, let's go to the next round here. Third pick

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Speaker 4: Mean maybe wanted to play against the horse, maybe one horse.

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Speaker 4: But are they going to be elite enough? The West

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Speaker 3: Can you give me who beat them? And then who

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Speaker 3: Well, you got one more like no, you got two

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Speaker 3: Three hundred and fifty games. It took him.

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Speaker 4: I can't think of two players at the same time.

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Speaker 3: one All NBA team and four time All Stars. Okay,

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Speaker 3: and he's third three hundred and fifty five games and

435
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 3: then whoever we're looking for the number one guy, fastest

436
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 3: guy to one thousand made threes coming because I'm telling you,

437
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 3: never made an All Star Game. Probably never will, he

438
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 3: never will. Always in trade talks, especially at the start

439
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 3: of the season. He's got a bunch of nicknames. You've

440
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,919
Speaker 3: met him before. He was on our set when we

441
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 3: were in Vegas. He threw a cake. I believe Buddy,

442
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 3: Buddy heel.

443
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 4: I just needed the cake trivia. Wow, I would never

444
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 4: have gotten that.

445
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 3: I know, right. Yeah, but he is like one of

446
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 3: the greatest three point shooters in terms of just like

447
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 3: pure numbers that he's gonna have at the end of it,

448
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,360
Speaker 3: all three hundred and fifty games for Buddy to get

449
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 3: to a thousand. So there you go, let's do it.

450
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's old, he's old. He seemed better. It wasn't

451
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 4: that Lebron the other day in Vegas saying that he

452
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,120
Speaker 4: was old. What did he say to Buddy Hill, He's

453
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 4: say because because we always had those miked up. Oh yeah,

454
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 4: and Lebron was doing a great job. I think they're

455
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,679
Speaker 4: gonna put it on a montage when he buys a

456
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 4: team in Vegas. So they're they're gonna use that game

457
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 4: in Vegas. That was a good video work. And he

458
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,919
Speaker 4: sets on a Buddy Hill talking a little trash like

459
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 4: age wise, age wise, saying like, Buddy year old, I

460
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 4: guess when they're running up and down the floor something

461
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 4: like that, Like because Lebron was running up and down

462
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 4: the floor saying something like Buddy year old, you can't.

463
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,360
Speaker 3: It wasn't a joke about Buddy gaining a year there

464
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 3: at some.

465
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Speaker 2: Point, yeah, or maybe it was.

466
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 4: I think it was.

467
00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 3: Okay, let's do one more round here. Yeah, who do

468
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 3: you have? What game do you have? I should say

469
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 3: it with your number five pick.

470
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 4: Overall, Well, this one's a strange one because the Bucks

471
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 4: ended up beating the Bulls in overtime. It started the

472
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 4: game with Giannis being the passer. He was just passing everything,

473
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 4: wasn't shooting a lot. It was pretty good from the

474
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 4: free throw line. But it ended up being fun because

475
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 4: the Bulls team was scrappy. They had won four in

476
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 4: a row coming in without zach Lavine. We'll get to that,

477
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 4: but the Bulls fight was fantastic. They ended up shooting

478
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 4: one hundred and fourteen shots in one game. How does

479
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 4: that happen? They had eighteen offensive rebounds. Andre Drumon came

480
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 4: off the bench and was fantastic, but they got down doubled.

481
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 4: Just they just kept scrapping, and they kept scrapping. They

482
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 4: kept scrapping. They didn't turn it over, only six turnovers

483
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 4: in this game. And they saw the Bucks missing some

484
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 4: free throws, Damian Lillard missing some key free throws. He

485
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 4: missed one with twelve seconds left, and Tomato Rosen said,

486
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 4: all right, that's perfect because I can tie the game.

487
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 4: And he did classic DeRozan.

488
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, baseline sort of one hand floater. Yeah, challenged, Yeah.

489
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, as he faded towards the baseline, you know, a

490
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 4: Durant move, but he kind of just had like one

491
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 4: hand on the ball and shot it over Chris Milton

492
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 4: to Tye. But the Bucks went on a run in

493
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 4: overtime and took care of business. But yeah, the question

494
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 4: always is the Bucks backcourt good defensively? That's the problem

495
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 4: with Malik Beasley and Damian Lillard being back there. DeRozan

496
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 4: had a game forty one and eleven assists, and Kobe

497
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,360
Speaker 4: White doesn't stop that guy as a starter, thirty three

498
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 4: points in six threes, he's doing well. But Dame had

499
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 4: a nod off game three for seventeen, two of nine

500
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 4: from three that looked weird, but.

501
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 3: Especially the one he took at the end of regulation.

502
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 3: Did you see that. That was weird because, like you said,

503
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 3: DeRozan ties it up. They don't have a timeout. I

504
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 3: get that, so they can't advance the ball. But there's

505
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 3: like four seconds I want to say, on the game clock. Yeah,

506
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 3: and the bulls were not even like pressing, like they

507
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 3: weren't up on them. I was surprised Dame didn't do

508
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 3: like the walk the dog right that you could have

509
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 3: done a very easy inbounds, could have got it up

510
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 3: more and then could have passed it to somebody around

511
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 3: the three point I think he could have got a

512
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 3: better shot. He literally like picks up the ball almost

513
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 3: right away, dribbles to half court, and it's like, I'm

514
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: going to take a half court shot to try and

515
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 3: win this. Now. It wasn't that far off, because you

516
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 3: know Dame has range, But a little strange decision on

517
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 3: that one. I thought was like, I think you could

518
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 3: do better than that. Yeah, either scream up the court

519
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 3: a little bit again pass it ahead, but you know

520
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 3: he was like, this could be cool. This might be

521
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 3: fun if I end it from half court Curry style.

522
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 3: But you know, they got it done in over times.

523
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 2: It didn't matter.

524
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 4: It is strange being that he had a cold night

525
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 4: and it was just a little under four seconds. It

526
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 4: wasn't like a one second.

527
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,959
Speaker 3: No, there was time. Yeah, there's time to dribble up

528
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 3: or kick it up.

529
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what Dame does. He takes those shots. I

530
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 4: wonder if he's a little bit a little bit snuffed,

531
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 4: a little bit upset in that they're running the Chris

532
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 4: Middleton again. He's pick and roll combo. So he was

533
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 4: a little out of it, a little bit less out

534
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 4: of it. But this is a situation where I think

535
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 4: the Bucks are going to get better as the season

536
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 4: goes on and will be great in the playoffs. They're

537
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 4: just not a great defensive team. There incredible offensive team,

538
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,719
Speaker 4: and they get it done in the fourth quarter and

539
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 4: turn it on and they did late and overtime. They

540
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 4: just missed a few free throws. But the Bulls are

541
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 4: looking good. They had one four in a row.

542
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is well.

543
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 3: I mean the Bucks were leaving the door open, Like

544
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 3: you said, everybody that was going to the line in

545
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 3: overtime was splitting it like nobody could hit two and

546
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 3: it just kept allowing. Really DeRozan who kept just cooking

547
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 3: Chris Middleton, he was.

548
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: Going on it.

549
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had no answer and slowing him and it

550
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 3: just like they hung around, hung around, hung around, couldn't

551
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 3: get across the finish line, but made it a fight.

552
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the situation with the Bucks. It's gonna be

553
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 4: interesting to see if they go for somebody defensively just

554
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 4: to get somebody else better defensively. Because I bring up

555
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 4: Beasley and Lillard, but Middleton is also one two three.

556
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 4: They're having some problems. Yeah, Jannison and Brooke no problem,

557
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 4: but the one two three is an interesting one.

558
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 3: I think it's amazing though that they have. Well, they're

559
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 3: tied in the Eastern Conference in terms of wins with

560
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 3: the Celtics and the Magic all with sixteen wins. The

561
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 3: Celtics have a better record at sixteen and five compared

562
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 3: to those other two teams that are sixteen and seven.

563
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: But I mean, they have not looked amazing, but they're

564
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 3: at the top of the Eastern Conference. Like that's a

565
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 3: little scary I think for the rest of the league. Yes,

566
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 3: that like despite all the hiccups and yeah, the defensive

567
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 3: lapses and like does this work and they're still trying

568
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 3: to figure it out. They're still great. You know, They're

569
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 3: not seven and sixteen at my point, they're not five hundred.

570
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 3: They're still good, really good.

571
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 4: And people were mad in Las Vegas that they had

572
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 4: some sort of fighting.

573
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 3: Bobby was pissed.

574
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 4: Bobby Porters came out and called out Adrian Griffin. Apparently

575
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 4: according to Chris Haynes report, this is just I was

576
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 4: just a report. I think, Yeah, they got mad because

577
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 4: they lost in Las Vegas, which I get. But this

578
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 4: team is so good and Bobby had a really good

579
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 4: game in this one.

580
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 3: All right, final pick here in our draft, Oh my god,

581
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 3: so much to pick from. Still I'm gonna go with

582
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 3: the Knicks beating our Raptors one thirty six, one thirty

583
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 3: behind a very balanced effort. And here why On the

584
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 3: day the Knicks found out that they are gonna be

585
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: without Mitchell Robinson for at least two months due to

586
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 3: the stress fracture in his left ankle. He's getting surgery.

587
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 3: They survived the Raptors thanks to offense. They did it

588
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 3: with offense, not a lot of d being played in

589
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 3: this one, but Randall, Barrett, and Brunson combining for eighty

590
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 3: two points. Those are your three stars. They all contributed,

591
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 3: but they really the Knicks did broke the game open

592
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter thanks to Quentin Grimes and Josh Hart.

593
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 3: Grimes and Heart sounds like a weird TNT show that

594
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 3: should be airing right before the TNT doubleheader on Thursday nights.

595
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 3: I always catch the final five minutes of Grimes and

596
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 3: Heart see how they figure it out. But yeah, like

597
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 3: it was. There was like that again, not a lot

598
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 3: of defense being played, but they played a little stretch

599
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 3: there midway through the fourth quarter. The next did they

600
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: got three consecutive stops and it resulted in you know,

601
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 3: a Barrett lay up, a Grimes three, and then another

602
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 3: Heart lay up in transition after a Barrett steel and

603
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: that it was enough gave him separation and then it

604
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 3: was just a lot of scoring from there on out.

605
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: But that's what you know, you.

606
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 3: Just had to play defense for like two minutes.

607
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: In this game and you could get the victory.

608
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: But they got it done without Mitchell Rompson, which is

609
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 3: a huge blow obviously to the next.

610
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 4: It is it's like every year Mitchell gets hurt at

611
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 4: some point. It is unfortunate. He's so good, he's so funny.

612
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 4: You gotta read his quotes on the athletic Fred Katz

613
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 4: gets some good quotes. And it's not just the ride

614
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 4: in the d train quote that he that he took.

615
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 4: There's lots of good quotes from him. What I found

616
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 4: odd is that the Raps didn't stop anybody. They weren't

617
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 4: able to stop the perimeter players. The Wraps have shown great,

618
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 4: great work and stopping superstars og And Andobi, stopping Devin

619
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 4: Book or anybody on a perimeter player. The Raps got Annobi,

620
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 4: Siakam Barnes. It was surprising to see a guy like RJ.

621
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 4: Barrett have a game like that. He that well against Toronto.

622
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 4: That was a little surprising. They shot sixty percent from

623
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 4: the floor, fifty eight percent from three. That was surprising

624
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 4: that they were able to do that. We'll get to

625
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 4: the trade talk for the Raptors. Is this trade talk time?

626
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 4: But it was it was weird to see the Reps

627
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 4: not be able to do that.

628
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, they couldn't get stops.

629
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: And a nice little redemption tour here from Grimes. Remember

630
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 3: he was in the doghouse. We were just recently talking

631
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: about it, and he was a game high plus ten

632
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 3: in the plus minus column. Nearly twenty seven minutes. He

633
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: hit five threes, including some like timely ones in the

634
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 3: fourth quarter. So you know, your guy Grimes here getting

635
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 3: getting a chance again. Here he's coming through off the

636
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: bench exactly.

637
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, they put in Dante Dina Vincenzo, who often has

638
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 4: a bigger role than Quinn Grimes, that creating into the

639
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 4: starting lineup, and Quentin, I guess because you're on the bench,

640
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 4: I can work for some players. You get to touch

641
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 4: the ball more, you get shoot more, because he wasn't shooting.

642
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: A lot and that was his complaint. Remember he's just

643
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 3: stand over here and I barely see the ball and

644
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 3: then I'm subbed out. So yeah, he's getting an opportunity again.

645
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 3: What do you think about the Mitchell Robinson injury here

646
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 3: ankle surgery. I mean, TIBs started Sims in the starting lineup,

647
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 3: but then it was like a lot of heart and shine.

648
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 3: He wanted to keep them obviously in that reserve role. Yeah,

649
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: but we talked a lot about how important Mitchell Robinson is.

650
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's maybe one of those things where

651
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 3: the sickos only. But you know, like he he's the

652
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 3: best offensive rebound in the league. He's obviously important to

653
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 3: their defense when they do play it. Do you think

654
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 3: they can survive here or is this gonna be one

655
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: of these instances again which we've seen before in the past,

656
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: where like he goes out and it's like, oh, then

657
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 3: it's a different team.

658
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 4: I like the move of starting Jericho Simms, who doesn't

659
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 4: usually play as a starter, so you can stick with

660
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 4: the same bench, and the hopes are that you can

661
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 4: also stick with the same perimeter methods of defense because

662
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 4: they they lock in, they're they're pretty good defensively to

663
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 4: use Mitchell Robinson though behind him. That's why they are

664
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 4: good defensively because they know they got Mitch back there

665
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 4: to just get into your squat and don't hack and

666
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,479
Speaker 4: use use your hands everywhere. So I do think it

667
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 4: is it is a problem, but this is TIBs and

668
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 4: I think the players have bought in, so I think

669
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 4: they will succeed. I think they will do well. They

670
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 4: have had a really, really, really good defensive team this season,

671
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 4: so I do like the rotations in that they're basically

672
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 4: the same. You know, throwing Jericho Sims into the starting

673
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 4: lineup instead. I like that. I think that's smarts and

674
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 4: they're doing it for TIBs. Why not.

675
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 3: The Knicks were making their only home appearance in the

676
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 3: first nine December games, which is wild. They play their

677
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 3: next five on the road here, so bad timing with

678
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: the Mitchell Robinson injury. They start Wednesday in Utah, and

679
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 3: they're not back to Madison Square Garden, where Jerome was,

680
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: by the way, last night, our guy Jerome taking in

681
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: a Knicks Raptors game. They're not back till December twenty

682
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 3: third against the Bucks, and then they play the Bucks

683
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 3: again on Christmas. So weird stretch here where they're on

684
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 3: the road.

685
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: A lot.

686
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 3: Final stat about the Knicks. They're ten to zero against

687
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 3: losing teams. Now after beating the Raps, they're a record

688
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 3: against teams three and nine, and those wins came against

689
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 3: the Calves that I believe were missing Garland and Jared

690
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 3: Allen and maybe Karris Lavert. They came back from twenty

691
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 3: one against the Heat and they had the victory against

692
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 3: the Clippers in James Harden's debut. So some sort of

693
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 3: weird games there in their lone victories against like the

694
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 3: winning teams. So again, they're like the perfect example of

695
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 3: like they take care of businesses against the bad teams,

696
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: and they gotta, you know, start picking up some more

697
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 3: against the upper echelon teams.

698
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, they need some offensive help, I do believe, even

699
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 4: though we saw some they have talents obviously offensively. We

700
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 4: saw an incredible Randall game. Glen Brunson is a solid player.

701
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 4: We saw a good RJ. Barrett game. But I think

702
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 4: there will be some rumors as we get up to

703
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 4: the trade deadline about getting an offensive player and the

704
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 4: Reps go home to play the Hawks twice. You want

705
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 4: to talk about these marriages of all these cities that

706
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 4: were very familiar with the Hawks go for a two

707
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 4: game set. Weird one.

708
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: It's a mid off.

709
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 4: It's a mid off exactly. Yeah, and the Knicks being

710
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 4: in the mid situation. But they have done well enough

711
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 4: to be thirteen at nine.

712
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna take a break when we come back, though,

713
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: true or false. Time we gotta talk about the n

714
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 3: season tournament. Lakers are gonna raise a banner. Yeah, wait

715
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: to hear your thoughts like that, and a bunch of

716
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 3: trade talk around the wraps and the bulls don't go anywhere,

717
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 3: all right, Still here in the Classic Factory, let's talk

718
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 3: a little IST and trade talks in true or false. Yeah,

719
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 3: some true or false questions for everybody joining us live,

720
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 3: for all the podcast listeners, and of course for tasks here.

721
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 3: First one, the NBA announced yesterday the first ever All

722
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 3: Tournament Team for the twenty twenty three IST. Players were

723
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: chosen for the squad without regard to position. Okay, the

724
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 3: Alterney team selected by a media panel and based on

725
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 3: player performance in both group play and the knockout rounds.

726
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 3: And you see the team here on your screen in

727
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: alphabetical order. It's Ianna, it's Neutral Court Ad, it's Katie

728
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant, it's Tyree's Halliburton of course, and the MVP

729
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: of the whole damn thing, Lebron James. So true or

730
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 3: false the NBA's IST All Tournament Team.

731
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 2: That's perfect, It's false.

732
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 4: It wasn't perfect.

733
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 3: It wasn't perfect.

734
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 4: No, I think when we look back in history, the

735
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 4: first n Season Tournament All Tournament Team, it will be true.

736
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 4: That is fantastic. You've got four Hall of Famers guaranteed

737
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 4: in there, and ad Lebron, Jannis, and Kevin Durant. Maybe

738
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 4: Halliburton will get there too one day, maybe at the

739
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 4: same time instead of Durant. The other four are really good.

740
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 4: The other four obviously good, but Durant is the one

741
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 4: that was a little a little odd to me. He

742
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 4: didn't even get to Vegas. He lost in the quarterfinals.

743
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 4: I kind of want to take somebody that got to

744
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 4: the semi finals, and obviously he lost to Lebron and

745
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 4: the Lakers. That being said, the guys that got to

746
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 4: the semifinals or the finals that were there that I

747
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 4: would take over him could be Brandon Ingram, could be

748
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 4: Damian Lillard. But I think I'd take Miles Turner because

749
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 4: he had that ridiculously good dunk on Yannis and all

750
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 4: of our fans when we saidtle that's the dunk of

751
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 4: his career. Brought up some other great ones and some

752
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 4: other ones. So that's why I'm kind of in his

753
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 4: He just.

754
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: Had a really crappy finals. If he had had like

755
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 3: a just a twenty tennis game, I think in the finals,

756
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,479
Speaker 3: I think he may have made the list.

757
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 4: She shouldn't have gotten shirtless in his press conference after

758
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 4: the semi finals. Should have saved it for the final,

759
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 4: and that's what. But he brought up the fans, got

760
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 4: to bring up some great ducks. I will say the

761
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 4: voters were clear and that they didn't care about the

762
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 4: fan votes. Sorry, I would say the NBA made it

763
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 4: clear that they didn't care about the fan votes because

764
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 4: the votes went to all the media people, and all

765
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 4: the media people selected Yannis, Anthony, Davis Tyres, and Lebron

766
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 4: twenty of twenty unanimous, unanimous, twenty.

767
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 3: Just to clarify, you're saying there was no fan vote.

768
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: With this one.

769
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 4: No, no, and that's why I'm saying.

770
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 3: We couldn't even figure out how it worked.

771
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 4: That's right. We could not figure out how the MVP

772
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 4: turned vote mattered from fans, but they just eliminated it

773
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 4: for this tournament vote where Durant was fifth, but he

774
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 4: was far behind everybody else and just was able to

775
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 4: beat Ingram and Jokich and Turner and others.

776
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 3: That's the weird thing. Katie received seven votes out of

777
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 3: the twenty, Ingram got four out of the twenty, and

778
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 3: Jokic picked up three.

779
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 2: So two of those.

780
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 3: Guys, like you said, they didn't even make it to Vegas.

781
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 3: So that would be your only real complaint. Now, Katie

782
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 3: was a monster in his games in the group play games,

783
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: but Ingram was really good for a lot of them

784
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 3: as well, and at least got there. So yeah, maybe

785
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: you just wanted to see that all tournament team consisting

786
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: of at least the teams that made the quarterfinals or

787
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 3: I mean even get to Vegas. I should say yeah,

788
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 3: because I guess Katie was in the quarterfinals.

789
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 4: He was. Yeah.

790
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: Okay, next one here, sticking with IST, This one so

791
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 3: so good. The Lakers announced yesterday that they will unveil

792
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 3: a unique in season tournament banner to honor the twenty

793
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 3: twenty three IST championship. It will be a single forever

794
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: banner hung on December eighteenth, where future IST titles could

795
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 3: be added right now. The Lakers, famously they don't hang

796
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 3: division or conference banners like some of these other teams

797
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 3: that are suckers. They only hang championship banners. But they're

798
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 3: hanging this one, so task true or false here, the

799
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 3: Lakers hanging an IST banner is hilarious.

800
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say it's false. It's not hilarious to me.

801
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 4: They're trying to make more of the n season tournament

802
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: than it currently is. I like how it's different than

803
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 4: the NBA championship banners, how it's going to look different

804
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 4: to indicate this isn't as much of an accomplishment as

805
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 4: an NBA title. I do find it weird that they're

806
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 4: gonna put a bunch of them on one banner. If

807
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 4: they were to get more of them, yeah, because I

808
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 4: think it is fine to have a different type of

809
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 4: banner for each one that you win, hanging in your stadium.

810
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 4: But I understand they've won so many. But I do

811
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 4: like this. Do like that they're trying to make something

812
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 4: of this that the NBA is definitely focused on. Obviously, Hey,

813
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 4: we got to get people watching in November. We have

814
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 4: eighty two regular season games. We're never going to limit that.

815
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 4: Even though that's a bit of a problem, it's a

816
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 4: success and I think to try and push it forward.

817
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 4: I think this helps.

818
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: I think it's hilarious because I'm pretty damn sure this

819
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 3: is Adam Silver's doing and not really the Lakers decision.

820
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 3: That's what That's what I think is going on here.

821
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 3: We heard the Lakers talking about this before the finals. Yeah,

822
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 3: what do you think would you hang a banner and

823
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 3: a lot of it from the Lakers side of things

824
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 3: was not really. I mean, we hang championships in our stadium.

825
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 3: We've always done it that way. You know, We're always

826
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 3: racing with the Celtics in terms of actual NBA titles.

827
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 3: And then soon after they win it, Oh, that thing's

828
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 3: going up and they're having like a little pregame ceremony

829
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 3: and they're doing the whole different shape and color of

830
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 3: the banner. I think that is smart. But to me,

831
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 3: this is silver saying yeah, you're putting that up, have

832
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 3: any say in this, my friends. It's going up because

833
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 3: we want to make this a bigger deal. And so

834
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 3: that's why I find it funny. I don't really care

835
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: that's going to be up there. I mean other stadiums

836
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 3: put up Hey, bon Jovi came through one hundred times,

837
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: like cool.

838
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 4: I mean, so it's a legend.

839
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 3: He's a legend. Is he is bon Jovi more important

840
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 3: than the ist?

841
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 4: They should put him as the All Tournament Team MVP.

842
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 3: But that's true music MVP. But I just that part,

843
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 3: to me is very funny. This is this is coming

844
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 3: down from the top. Yeah, I mean we don't know

845
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 3: that for sure, but I'm pretty confident in that.

846
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 4: I'm not sure it's Silver. Maybe it's his right hand man,

847
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 4: Evan Wash. Okay, it's the NBA.

848
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: It's not the Laker, it's not Genie Buss and the

849
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 3: Bus family. I think as much. It's being told you're

850
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 3: gonna do this.

851
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 4: Yes, it is guiding them in that direction. Let's push

852
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 4: this forward so fans care more about the regular season

853
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 4: games in November. The NBA already plays too many games.

854
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 4: We all know that, and that is partly why Adam

855
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 4: Silver is introducing this, relating what soccer does in Europe.

856
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 4: Call it the NBA Cup one day. I think that's

857
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 4: the proper way to do it. Make it even bigger

858
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 4: because it makes fans care about regular season games more.

859
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 4: And that's why it was a success. Even though the

860
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 4: ratings aren't as special as they were in you know,

861
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 4: in some TNT games, or they're not they're not championship

862
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 4: playoff type. No ratings. It beat last year's regular season

863
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 4: games and this is the first year, so it is

864
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 4: going to get better.

865
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 3: It was a massive success though most people, even the

866
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 3: people that were like doubting it coming in, how could

867
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 3: you argue it was it? We were talking about it.

868
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 3: The games were fairly entertaining. The players bought in, They

869
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: were really buying in. Some of those games did have

870
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 3: a playoff like Atmosphere. You know, fans of these Cinderella

871
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 3: teams were really into it, like the Pacers getting there.

872
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 3: And then they're gonna hopefully sell this. That was the

873
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 3: whole damn point of this whole thing. I mean, that's

874
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: what they're hoping for here, that they can sell it

875
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 3: to Amazon. Look at here, you go, here's the ist

876
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: group play and knockout rounds, and you can make a

877
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: big thing out of this. Like I think that's what

878
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 3: they're really banking on here. Sure, and they might get

879
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 3: it from one of these streamers.

880
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then they went hardcore and getting everybody involved,

881
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 4: getting media involved. Now, the people who say that it

882
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 4: wasn't a success, I saw Ethan sherwid Trust's write about it.

883
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 4: Because the rating's at one point nine mil and one

884
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 4: point six mil in the US in terms of linear

885
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 4: TV is not huge. It's not huge in comparison to playoffs,

886
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 4: et cetera. But the game is changing, Like you just said,

887
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 4: this may not be on a linear station one day,

888
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 4: This may be on some sort of Amazon or apple

889
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 4: or whatever. And this was the first year. This was

890
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 4: a trial. Fans cared about it, and that's what it's for.

891
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 4: It's four more casual fans. As I said about when

892
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 4: I was watching the semi finals, even though it was

893
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 4: just a one point nine and one point six, people

894
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 4: were walking by a TV in a restaurant and saying whoa, whoa, oh, yeah,

895
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 4: that's the Pacers. I'll look at that floor, that stripe, yeah,

896
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 4: and seeing Tyrese Haliburton go off and saying, wow, that

897
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 4: guy is good. So it's trying to get to casual

898
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 4: fans who maybe don't think about the game as much,

899
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 4: but seeing a different floor helps. It was a success.

900
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, moving on, Let's get to Sham's here.

901
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: He dropped an article on The Athletic yesterday his inside

902
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: pass and according to the NBA Insider, teams are believing

903
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 3: that now more than ever, either Pascal Siakam or Ojianna

904
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 3: Noobi could be traded by the February eighth deadline. This

905
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 3: makes some sense. Toronto has lost four games in a row.

906
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 3: They are nine to fourteen on the season. Wow, and

907
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 3: both players, I mean really talented players. They could improve

908
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 3: nearly any team in the league, right you slot either

909
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 3: of those guys in. I mean, I think it takes

910
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 3: a good team to a great team, or a great

911
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: team to possibly a championship team. So the question here

912
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 3: is tasks true or false? Because of where the Raptors

913
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:01,959
Speaker 3: are right now, they have no choice but to trade either.

914
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: Or Anonobi. True or false.

915
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 4: Oh, being a Raptors backer, this is hard, but I

916
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 4: think this is true. They're nine and fourteen, their sub

917
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 4: five hundred. If they want to be a five hundred team,

918
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 4: keep it together. But at some point I think they

919
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 4: want to pull the trigger on somebody like Siakam or

920
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 4: Anonobi because hopefully maybe it gets you a draft pick

921
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 4: that will get you that guy that can lead you

922
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 4: to the playoffs, to deeper playoffs, somebody that isn't Siakam,

923
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 4: Anonobi or Scottie Barnes, somebody who has the ability to

924
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 4: be a number one score Because obviously Pascal Siakam was

925
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 4: a complimentary player on a championship team. He can do that.

926
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 4: Maybe Scotty can do that. Who knows if Og can

927
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 4: do that. He wasn't a part of that playoff run.

928
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 4: But to go in a different direction, I think he

929
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 4: got to who the heck is it? That's tough. Pascal

930
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 4: Siakam has said he doesn't want to be dealt, wants

931
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 4: to be a Raptor. He's going to be a free

932
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 4: agent though he's turning thirty at the end of this season.

933
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 4: That could be the guy. But maybe it doesn't get

934
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 4: you a lot back. Oji might get you more back.

935
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 4: And I do find it interesting we're talking about the

936
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 4: Indiana Pacers because they shoot the ball from three even

937
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 4: Miles Turner steps out for Siakam to be that starting

938
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 4: for over Obi top and he could have helped in

939
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 4: that final to guard Lebron James or Ojanoby's an incredible

940
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 4: perimeter defender. But I bring up there a three point

941
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 4: shooting team because Siakam can do it inside the three

942
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 4: point line with all those guys spraying the floor. That

943
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,479
Speaker 4: guy's a great scorer. You can spin you to death.

944
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 4: Ojb will get the most of them there as well,

945
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 4: but a great also a great three point shooter. So

946
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 4: the Pacers are going to be calling, I think and asking,

947
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 4: and the Raptors are going to finally do it. I

948
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 4: mean they have the three guys in Barnes, Anenobi and

949
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 4: Siakam who are well.

950
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 3: Barnes is untouchable according to the reports, and probably should.

951
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 4: Emulate each other. There's so much of that great defenders.

952
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 3: But what do you to be?

953
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 4: You want to be a five hundred team? All that,

954
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 4: I guess.

955
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 3: Exactly, they have settled into the most uninspiring mediocrity you

956
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: could think of right now, This team that I watch

957
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 3: every single game they play, I mean, it's it's that's

958
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 3: where they're at. They probably should have made this move prior,

959
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 3: but we're here now. And Sham says teams like the Hawks,

960
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 3: the Kings, the Pacers expected suitors. He does say that

961
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 3: Siakam is the more likely of the two to be traded.

962
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 3: Maybe that part of that is the contract situation. Siakam

963
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 3: makes thirty eight million in his final year here, He's

964
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 3: going to obviously hit free agency, could be in line

965
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 3: for still a big payday. And then Og makes about

966
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 3: twenty million dollars per year. He has a player option,

967
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 3: which I mean most people think he will decline and

968
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: hit the free agent market exactly, So he's gonna get

969
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 3: I mean, he's gonna go from twenty to probably thirty

970
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 3: million dollars a year player. But he's younger than Siakam,

971
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 3: but he's not as good. So the answer to this

972
00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:00,280
Speaker 3: is absolutely true, though, I mean they they've been, they've

973
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: just doubled down on keeping sort of this core. I mean,

974
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 3: even going back to the Pearl trade last year, giving

975
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: up a pick to get him, they've just doubled down

976
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 3: on being in that sort of mushy middle of the league,

977
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 3: and not even middle at this point anymore. So that's

978
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: the worst place to be. I think you need to

979
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 3: sort of cut bait on one of these guys and

980
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 3: really get guys and get back to developing players and

981
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: find that draft pick, that high pick, maybe to pair

982
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 3: alongside Scottie Barnes in two or three years. Here, I

983
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 3: think they're gonna have to get very bad before they

984
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 3: get good again. It's what you usually have to do.

985
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it would be odd to go into free

986
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 4: agency with o Jannobe and Pascal Siakam and say to

987
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 4: both of them, hey, we're gonna sign you to these

988
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 4: monster deals, because they both will warrant big contracts. The

989
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 4: only way I think you keep them is that if

990
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 4: you have contracts which are highly easily easily tradable, like

991
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 4: you sign og to less than he's gonna get he's

992
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 4: gonna get a big, big pay day. Pascal. Maybe maybe

993
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 4: at his age, you can try and convince him. I'm

994
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 4: just talking about convincing these guys take a little bit less.

995
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 4: We want to trade, we want to get to be

996
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 4: better than five hundred. But I think it would be

997
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 4: just so ridiculous to do that, to go pay them

998
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 4: both as we see what this team is and so

999
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 4: go into free agency where they're both going to be

1000
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 4: free agents. Oh she's not. OG's not gonna get paid

1001
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 4: nineteen million dollars next year. He's not gonna often for that.

1002
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 4: He's gonna he's gonna get out and go get paid.

1003
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 4: So the Raps, they just can't go forward with this.

1004
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,959
Speaker 4: They can't go forward with Pascal Og and Scottie Barnes,

1005
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 4: who they're trying to make that number one player, I understand,

1006
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 4: and Darko Royakovic, I think is doing a really good

1007
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 4: job period, but they're not getting the most of Pascal

1008
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 4: is not having a fantastic here. He's not he's not

1009
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 4: playing to his capability. So that's why I think Pascal

1010
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 4: may get moved here. Uh, and he is three years older,

1011
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 4: but we're saying I think we're seeing peak o G.

1012
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 4: I think we've seen peak Pascal in the years past.

1013
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 4: It's time, baby.

1014
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 3: Here's the problem. This is the Raptors organization that we're

1015
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 3: talking about. And even in Sham's report, negotiations with the

1016
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 3: Raptors will always be, in the words of one rival executive.

1017
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: A game of chicken.

1018
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 3: Yes, they are notoriously not easy to make a deal with.

1019
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 3: I mean they want to win every deal, and they

1020
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: are going to ask for, you know, a million draft picks,

1021
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 3: and you're probably gonna roll your eyes at what some

1022
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 3: of these or what they're expecting back in return for

1023
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 3: some of these players, even when they're literally going to

1024
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 3: be like expiring deals really for the most part. So

1025
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 3: that's the complication here, Yeah, Massi and Bobby Webster finally,

1026
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 3: like I don't know, swallowing their pride maybe a little

1027
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 3: bit and having again having to get worse, because as

1028
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 3: soon as these guys leave the team, I can imagine

1029
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: they're getting better players back in the immediate So that

1030
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 3: means they're going to be worse and you're gonna have

1031
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 3: to sort of live with that for a year or

1032
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 3: two or three. However quick you can sort of turn

1033
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 3: that around.

1034
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, unless they've adapted to this new NBA. I totally

1035
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 4: get why. Previously, when guys like Rudy Gobert Donovan Mitchell

1036
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 4: got huge packages back, you would say, we want that

1037
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 4: type of package. But things have changed. Things have changed

1038
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 4: since the new CBA signed, you don't get as much back.

1039
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 4: So hopefully the Raptors organization has adapted because watching what

1040
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 4: happened with Fred van Vliet, they didn't go out and

1041
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 4: pay him a ton. They didn't pay him as much

1042
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 4: as what happened with Houston, and I think that bodes well.

1043
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 4: Even though they didn't get anything for Fred van Vliet,

1044
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 4: at least they didn't pay him to lock into a

1045
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 4: five hundred team for years and years and years and years.

1046
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 4: And that's why I think the same will happen with

1047
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 4: Pascal Siakam or Ojan and they move on and hopefully

1048
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 4: it is for a great draft pick, because nine to

1049
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 4: fourteen ain't that good.

1050
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 3: Where would you like to see Let's say Siakam land, Like,

1051
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 3: would it be Sacramento? You think it's Indiana, you think

1052
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 3: it's the Hawks who Schaum's reported. I mean, this has

1053
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 3: been going on for a while that they were nearing

1054
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 3: I guess some sort of deal during the summer where

1055
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 3: Siakam was going to go to Atlanta obviously didn't happen.

1056
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 3: But where would you think he would flourish the most?

1057
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 4: I think the Pacers and Hawks is very good because

1058
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 4: he locks in and as a great perimeter defender. He

1059
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 4: would help the Pacers and the Hawks. He would lock

1060
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 4: in as a as a great scorer on those teams.

1061
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 4: I'm not sure about the Kings. I know they need

1062
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 4: a little size because they're getting pounded by the Pels

1063
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 4: and the rockets. But what they've got is working.

1064
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 3: But I mean, you'd really be upgrading like a Harrison Barnes,

1065
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 3: who would have to be in any sort of deal,

1066
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: probably just contract wise. I don't think he can be

1067
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 3: traded until the end of December, so like it's like

1068
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 3: Barns and then it would have to be I guess

1069
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 3: like a like a Herder or a Liles or something.

1070
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, but upgrading with what specifically.

1071
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 3: I mean, Yeah, putting in there, Yeah, a guy that

1072
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 3: can play some defense on the wing, on the perimeter

1073
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 3: like that O G too. I mean, I mean is

1074
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 3: another option just a perimeter defensive minded guy.

1075
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 4: Yeah. I thing with OG He's obviously a very good defender,

1076
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 4: a fantastic defender. Yeah, they they just got to in

1077
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 4: terms of Sacramento, just get a little bit larger. And

1078
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 4: I like him in Indiana where there's space just to

1079
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 4: make things happen, because OG's not an incredible on the

1080
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 4: ball type of guy. But with Indiana you've got space

1081
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 4: and they need help defensively. So I'm just not sure

1082
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 4: what the Sacramento. You just go for it years and

1083
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 4: years and years from now to have him. I mean,

1084
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 4: it's not a downgrade, that's for sure. He's a great player,

1085
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 4: all right.

1086
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 2: Moving on here.

1087
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 3: Shaum's also doubled down on a mid November report that

1088
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 3: the Bulls are expected to continue probing interested teams on

1089
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 3: a Zach Lavine trade. The Bulls have won four games

1090
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 3: in a row or they did, excuse me, for the

1091
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 3: first time since February twenty twenty two, all of them

1092
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 3: without Levine obviously lost last night. Word is that the

1093
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 3: Lakers and the seventy six ers are expected to be

1094
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 3: suitors for the twenty eight year old guard, but both

1095
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 3: are operating from positions of patients. No rush from Philly

1096
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 3: or La. So the true or false question for everybody

1097
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 3: you'd asked here, Zach Lavine will be traded before the deadline?

1098
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 4: Sure?

1099
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 2: False?

1100
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 4: I think it's false unless unless he comes back and

1101
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 4: plays like Zack Lavine. Zack Lavine is a really good player,

1102
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 4: but he's injured right now. I don't think you just say, hey,

1103
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 4: excuse me, we're gonna give up a ton for you

1104
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 4: when he hasn't looked like himself and he's owed one

1105
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 4: hundred and forty million dollars almost over the next three seasons.

1106
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 4: That's not including this season, and he hasn't had a

1107
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 4: lot of playoff success, so that's why there's some patients

1108
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 4: involved there. But if he comes back and plays like him,

1109
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 4: I still don't see the Lakers doing that type of move.

1110
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 4: We just saw what they did in the end season tournament.

1111
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 4: We're gonna play a bunch of defenders plus Lebron plus

1112
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,959
Speaker 4: Ad and we'll figure it out. They have some size

1113
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 4: issues as well, But Zach just is gonna eat those

1114
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 4: minutes and eat the possessions offensively. I don't see that

1115
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 4: really working. Same with Philly. You're gonna eat Maxi, You're

1116
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 4: gonna eat Embiid in terms of possessions offensively, I could

1117
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 4: see it more at the bottom of the standings type

1118
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 4: of team like the Piston. Let's go for it in

1119
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 4: a different way. Let's throw at all the defenders that

1120
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 4: we have with sar Thompson and others around Zach Lavine

1121
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 4: and try and be a different type of team. I

1122
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 4: see it more there than the Lakers or Sixers.

1123
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 3: But you think this depends on whether he actually returns

1124
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 3: and plays before, you know, early February deadline. I mean

1125
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 3: it's gonna be getting pretty close to it. I would

1126
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 3: they have him out for like three or four weeks here?

1127
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: I guess there's not.

1128
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1129
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 3: I keep thinking that the trade deadlines, like next week,

1130
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 3: that's just when a bunch of guys can hypothetically be traded.

1131
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 3: But it's not till yeah, early February. Yeah, I think

1132
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 3: they should. I think the answer is true. I actually

1133
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 3: think the answer is true. I think he will be

1134
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 3: finally moved, and I do not think it'll be an

1135
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 3: amazing return package. Big part of that being his contract.

1136
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 3: Like the team that's gonna take him is gonna be like, hey,

1137
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 3: we're doing you a favor here, You're proven you don't

1138
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 3: need them Chicago, They're gonna watch something in return, Young

1139
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 3: prospect to pick, you know, or two. And I think

1140
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 3: it will happen because if Zach Lavine's your third fourth

1141
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 3: best player on your team, sure that's damn good.

1142
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 2: It's just very very good.

1143
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 3: So someone will talk themselves into it, either a team

1144
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 3: that's panicking because where they are in the in the standings,

1145
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 3: or a team that just says this is too good

1146
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 3: to be true. This is a this is a Zach

1147
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 3: Lavine type score here, or a guy that can score. Okay,

1148
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 3: we'll offer up a little bit. We're not giving you

1149
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 3: our best deal, and maybe the bulls are like, all right,

1150
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 3: we're done with them and let's get off that money

1151
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 3: and let's lean into what we have. So I think

1152
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 3: it happens, but maybe I just want it to happen

1153
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 3: for content.

1154
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 4: For content. Yeah, I know, the trade deadline is a

1155
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 4: couple months away, but we're a few days away from

1156
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 4: more players being tradeable. Yes, just a mirror three days

1157
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 4: and then the new flashing light comes up. We will

1158
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 4: have guys available for Zach Lavine, for de mar de

1159
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 4: Rozan as well. And I do think true, I do

1160
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 4: think Zach is not playing like himself because things have

1161
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 4: gone obviously very sour in Chicago. It's unfortunate Lonzo balls out.

1162
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 4: They started really well with all the those guys playing together.

1163
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 4: So Zach's is gonna come back and show that he's

1164
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 4: good and somebody will take a chance. I don't think

1165
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 4: the Sixers do it. I think they have lots of

1166
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 4: space and free agency, and I just don't think it's

1167
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 4: good for Joe and Bid to say we're gonna we're

1168
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 4: gonna go hard these next few years with Levigne and

1169
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 4: Tigers Maxie. It might not work this season and then

1170
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 4: beand might want out. I think they give it a

1171
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 4: shot with Maxi and him this postseason TBD. I'm not

1172
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 4: sure about the Lakers, but somebody's gonna want de Rozan

1173
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 4: as well. Somebody's gonna want to pay.

1174
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 3: Lakers feel more likely to to make a move, of

1175
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 3: course Caruso, but the Bulls are probably gonna say no.

1176
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 3: But I think DeRozan makes a little bit more sense

1177
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 3: to the Lakers team.

1178
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, because they've got good perimeter players with Cam Rush

1179
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 4: just playing out of his head. This is Cam Brettish

1180
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 4: who is so athletic. If he is playing as a

1181
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 4: support player for Lebron James, like other champions have like

1182
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 4: Jerry R. Smith has before other guys in Cleveland. Then

1183
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 4: you trade for I trade for a guy who can

1184
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 4: just be offensive because Red, which is playing so good.

1185
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 4: Vanderbilt can be so good on their perimeter. Yeah, they

1186
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 4: have the pieces right now. It could be. It could

1187
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 4: beat DeMar in Los Angeles, kid from Compton. He'll love it.

1188
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 2: That's true.

1189
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 3: Final one here, star guard Ja Morant ramping up as

1190
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 3: he prepares for his season debut. It's on track to

1191
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 3: return from that twenty five game suspension. He's coming back

1192
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 3: probably on December nineteenth, right before Christmas against the Pelicans.

1193
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 3: Scham's multiple sources say they've observed Jaws training and that

1194
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 3: he looks good in his on court play with his

1195
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:36,439
Speaker 3: Grizzlies teammates Memphis six and sixteen, good for second last

1196
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 3: in the Western Conference. So the tru or false question,

1197
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 3: John Morant can bring the Grizzlies back into the playoff picture,

1198
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 3: you know, play in picture true or false?

1199
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 4: It's true because he's so good. He is such a

1200
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 4: good basket.

1201
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 3: You don't think they're too far back.

1202
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely hesitate because they're far back in because

1203
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 4: the West is so damn good and.

1204
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 3: A bunch of their guys are still out injured obviously

1205
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 3: front court players and Steven Adams, Brandon Clark, Marcus Smart

1206
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 3: Smart as out.

1207
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, but looking back at this team, they just get

1208
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 4: so good with John Moranta in the lineup since he

1209
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 4: is drafted, this team just gets better and better offensively.

1210
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,919
Speaker 4: It is a pretty good defensive team now, a top

1211
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 4: ten defensive team that needs Marcus Smart back. Morant just

1212
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 4: a few games away. It's an odd situation. But at

1213
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 4: the same time, I would think when Marcus Smart comes back,

1214
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 4: I think this entire team loves to play around John Morandon.

1215
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 4: He obviously win in the wrong direction, but at the

1216
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 4: same time, people love playing with this guy. People in

1217
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 4: Memphis love him, love this organization. So being that they're

1218
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 4: already a good defensive team, put Morenta on the floor

1219
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 4: with Desmond Bane and Jared Jackson, who have forty point games,

1220
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 4: who can score already, yeah, I think they'll be there.

1221
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 4: That being said, there's so many good Western Conference teams.

1222
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 4: It's maybe Adam Silver's got to look into the just

1223
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 4: ranking every team together no conferences, because they're going to

1224
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 4: be below a Hawk's team or something like that. These

1225
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 4: mediocre teams in the Eastern Conference once they start winning games,

1226
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 4: and they will win games.

1227
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 3: John Morant right now is taking the stand by the

1228
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 3: way he's in court over that lawsuit right where he

1229
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 3: allegedly plunged a seventeen year old kid in like a

1230
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 3: pickup basketball game. Have you been following this reading about

1231
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 3: what's been going on in this court case about using

1232
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 3: a ball as a weapon.

1233
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been watching the footage. Here in the South,

1234
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 4: we allow court cases to be televised. It's obviously in

1235
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 4: a different state than we are in, but the same

1236
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 4: thing happens in Georgia at times. So yes, it is

1237
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 4: very very interesting that this is coming right now. But

1238
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 4: all these stories, including obviously the firearms, right about this

1239
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 4: incident that was just a pickup game essentially outside of

1240
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:05,919
Speaker 4: his house and got heated. Yeah, it did get heated

1241
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 4: because that other participant was also heated, I mean made

1242
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 4: it heated. So it is unfortunate that it's happening. The

1243
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 4: whole thing. There's many, many scenarios, there's many pieces from

1244
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 4: the finish line scenario in the mall, there's lots of

1245
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 4: odd scenarios here.

1246
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 3: It is unfortunate, but you believe that he can get

1247
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 3: them back into the race.

1248
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 2: Here.

1249
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 3: Well, you know they go six and sixteen, you think

1250
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 3: him back in the mix. They can flip it. You know,

1251
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 3: suddenly they're winning sixteen at twenty one games.

1252
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's sixty games left for the Memphis ball left.

1253
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 3: That's the problem with the IST. JD and I were

1254
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 3: talking about it. As great as it was, as big

1255
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 3: as a success as the nd Season Tournament was, what

1256
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 3: it's done to people like us that have to do

1257
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 3: a basketball show every day. It starts playing with your mind,

1258
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 3: and you know, they start thinking the season's almost over.

1259
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 3: It wraps up. It's like a playoffs must be right

1260
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 3: around the corner. It's not.

1261
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 4: I don't know. My mind's a little messed up. I

1262
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 4: was involved in an accident, but I don't think of it.

1263
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 4: I don't think of the the N Season Tournament pushing

1264
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 4: us towards the playoffs.

1265
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 3: The stakes were high, we were amped. We're on playback

1266
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 3: every night. We're watching these games like it feels like

1267
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 3: that's what we've been doing in the playoffs, which we

1268
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 3: try and do. It's building, building building, and then it

1269
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 3: ends when the playoffs end, we have to relax.

1270
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 2: A little bit. It just messes with your biological.

1271
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 3: Keep going.

1272
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you feel like the adrenaline was so high.

1273
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 4: It felt like the playoffs, and now it's like, okay,

1274
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 4: summertime in a summer league. Let's see in Vegas. But

1275
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 4: we always adrenaline during the regular season. Our adrenaline is

1276
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 4: always pumping. Like Christmas is coming. We know the adrenda

1277
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 4: will be pumping the All Star Game happens. We've been

1278
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 4: there so many times. It's pumping. We come back. Yeah,

1279
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 4: it feels like, oh, it's like running.

1280
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 3: The marathon and we get to these hills. Is that

1281
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 3: what you're saying, sort of like, this is just another

1282
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 3: hill in the marathon of the NBA season, to go

1283
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,919
Speaker 3: along trade deadline, to go along with your All Star break,

1284
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 3: go along with your playoffs.

1285
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 4: They call him, they call him ten pole events.

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Speaker 2: You fall aham hills.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is better. I said, there are sixty games up,

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Speaker 4: because I don't know if John Moran's gonna be on

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Speaker 4: the floor for another sixty games, because well, he's not

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Speaker 4: going to be there for six games. He'll be there

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Speaker 4: for fifty seven. He's unfortunately made a couple of mistakes.

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Speaker 4: I just hope that he rectifies them. He finds a way.

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Speaker 4: Adam Silver is meeting with him very soon to try

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Speaker 4: and help him. He's met him before and there's been

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Speaker 4: some mistakes and hopefully Moran has figured it out. But

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Speaker 4: I think on the court he's a damn good play.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: One path to redemption is to a stay out of

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Speaker 3: trouble and b I'll tell you if he starts bringing

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Speaker 3: the Grizzlies back into the playoff picture, I mean, people

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Speaker 3: are gonna be like, oh, this is incredible. It'd be

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Speaker 3: a story. At the very least, I'm gonna go false.

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Speaker 3: I just think they're too far back. I didn't think

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Speaker 3: they'd be six and sixteen. And there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: good teams in the Western Conference. But you tell us

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01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 3: that's true or false. Having a blasttalk in ist and

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Speaker 3: trade rumors, because there'll be lots of those coming up

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Speaker 3: in the next coming weeks. We're gonna take one more

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Speaker 3: break when we come back. Test this tweet to the night. Okay,

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Speaker 3: let's get to tweet of the night.

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Speaker 4: Tweet of the night. Wowwet. Tweet of the night is

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Speaker 4: about baseball because they have because listen, shohe O Tani

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Speaker 4: signed for seven hundred million dollars. There it is with

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Speaker 4: the Los Angeles Dodgers seven hundred million dollars over ten years,

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Speaker 4: but he will not be paid over the next ten years.

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Speaker 4: It's miraculous. How they're going to pay him two mil

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Speaker 4: for each of the next ten years because this is

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Speaker 4: how they pay him, and then they're gonna pay him

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Speaker 4: sixty eight mil for the following ten years in each

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Speaker 4: of the next ten years. So they're paying him for

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Speaker 4: twenty years, two million for each of the first ten,

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Speaker 4: sixty eight for the second ten, just so they can

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Speaker 4: pay other players in the first ten to help him

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Speaker 4: win World Series.

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Speaker 3: How is this?

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Speaker 4: How's it legal? Yeah, that's a great question.

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Speaker 3: It's in their collective bargaining agreement.

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Speaker 4: To sixty eight. That's how it works out.

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Speaker 3: But it's a ten year contract.

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Speaker 4: It's ten he was only playing for twenty. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: a little like Bobby Bonia of the New York Mets. Remember, Yes,

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Speaker 4: Bobby Bonia signed a contract with the New York Mets

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Speaker 4: that said you're gonna pay me one million dollars for

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Speaker 4: each of the next twenty five years.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a rare so he's still getting paid.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's what produced this great tweet. From Robbie Kallend.

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Speaker 4: Our old friend Robbie Kalend noted that Bobby Bonia Day

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01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 4: will end in twenty and thirty five, and I appreciate

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Speaker 4: that him and Shoheo Tani Day will begin in two

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Speaker 4: thousand and thirty four. We love a peaceful transition of

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Speaker 4: power in the deferred money kingdom. Wow, wordage, Thank you

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01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 4: so much for writing that, Rob, because I forgot about

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01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 4: the Bobby thing because I was just thinking about this

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01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 4: this thing that. Yes, CBA and all that, there's a

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Speaker 4: clause that says teams can defer as much money as

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Speaker 4: they want. That's how it works. So maybe in the

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Speaker 4: next CBA things will change.

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Speaker 3: Up because it's allowing the Dodgers to obviously help their team. Yes,

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01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 3: so Tani is deciding to do that as well.

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Speaker 2: Decision Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Check show Hayes message here. Quote Dodger fans, thank you

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01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 4: for welcoming me to your team. I can say one

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01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 4: that you, the Dodger organization, and I share the same

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01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 4: goal to bring World Series parades plural to the streets

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Speaker 4: of Los Angeles. He didn't say plural, I said plural,

1357
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 4: but parades bringing parades. He's got the plan now, in

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Speaker 4: the Collective Barney Agreement. It still costs them forty six

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01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 4: million in terms.

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Speaker 3: Of two million on their books.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, they can't. They can't go around it like that.

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Speaker 4: But it's just seventy Yeah, so it helps out so

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01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 4: they can pay out people, and maybe it changes at

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Speaker 4: some point. But the man is making seven hundred million

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01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 4: over the next twenty years. But according to the Athletic Show,

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Speaker 4: hey makes fifty million or sorry, yeah, fifty million per

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01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 4: year outside of baseball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, endorsements, Yeah, no problem.

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Speaker 4: He's in Japan and Los Angeles will make money off

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Speaker 4: of Shoheyozani. Hopefully he will be playing in South Korea

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Speaker 4: for the first game, and I think they're playing the

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Speaker 4: Padres in I guess it is March March, so he

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01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 4: will play. But seven hundred million dollars destroys the next

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Speaker 4: highest paid player or the next highest paid highest salary

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Speaker 4: I should say four hundred and twenty six point five

1376
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 4: for Mike Trout way back, so the next highest deal.

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Speaker 4: I should say, Okay, so there we go, there we go, shake.

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Speaker 3: Honey millis I mean you would if you were talking

1379
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Speaker 3: to a Tani about this. This is a horrible, actual

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01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 3: money making decision for him. Why again, not that it

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01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 3: really matters because he's doing okay. Well, because you should

1382
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 3: take more money and make more money with it. Yeah, no, yes,

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01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 3: not defer it ten years into the future.

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01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we don't know. But you're right about that.

1385
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 4: So he's got so much money in his bank right now,

1386
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 4: he's already getting that compound interest, no problem. Yeah, I

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01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 4: don't know. I don't have the books. I don't have

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Speaker 4: the show.

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Speaker 3: Hey books, tax implications in California.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right. Well, maybe that'll be lessened the second

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01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 4: ten because he'll get the checks in Japan or who knows.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. It's unlikely. It's unlikely he'll

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01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 4: still be taxed. But I do get what you're getting,

1394
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,919
Speaker 4: what you're what you're saying. But he feels I'm sure

1395
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 4: that he's going to make more money outside of baseball

1396
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 4: in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like he really wants to win.

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01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 4: He's tired of that's the thing, losing. That's why he's

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Speaker 4: signed there. I can't wait to see if he comes

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Speaker 4: back as a pitcher in twenty twenty five, not this

1401
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 4: next year because he had surgery. But it is interesting

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01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 4: the guy wants to play. He'll probably start at DH,

1403
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 4: but will he play an outfield position one day we're

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01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 4: back to picture. But that's a lot of money and.

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Speaker 2: For him, Yeah, good player.

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01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 4: I heard just two just two million. I mean he's

1407
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 4: getting paid like like who like Max Christie of the

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Speaker 4: Los Angeles Pikers. Not a lot the next ten years.

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01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 2: It's wild when you put it like that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I saw somebody in the comments to Robbie's tweet they

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Speaker 3: got a schedule of Mets versus Dodgers game on July first,

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Speaker 3: twenty thirty four, and give both of the guys Otani

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01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 3: and Bobby ba big ass check like those publisher clearinghouse

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Speaker 3: checks or whatever they were called. Yeah, it's a good idea,

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01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 3: because doesn't get Pea gets paid on July first.

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Speaker 4: Bobby Bania, Yes, Bobby Twitter Twitter explodes, Yes, that's right.

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01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 4: What does norag get on July first?

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Speaker 3: Not a million dollars? No, No, we don't do that.

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Speaker 3: Well here, maybe a nice piece of jewelry if you

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Speaker 3: subscribe and hit the like and leave us a five

1421
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Speaker 3: star rating review. Okay, Wow, we went along. We had

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Speaker 3: lots to talk about drafting last night's best games, talking

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Speaker 3: a lot about the n season turn and the trade rumors.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us live. Everybody on YouTube again hit

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Speaker 3: all those buttons I just told you to do. We

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Speaker 3: appreciate it and help us out with the reviews.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 3: If you're a podcast listener on Apple or Spotify, we're

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01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 3: back tomorrow. Whole gang here at the table at ten

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01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 3: am Eastern. Five games on tonight, TNT doubleheader, Lakers Maps

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01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 3: or your Sons. A couple other good games on as well.

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Speaker 3: I think all five games look pretty good tonight, so

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Speaker 3: hopefully we'll have lots to talk about on tomorrow show.

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Speaker 3: Until then, Clipper pros, you heard it here first, have

1435
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,919
Speaker 3: a great time turn up. Love you guys awesome.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us. And remember Bobby Bonia, it's not

1437
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 4: Bobby Bonds, It's not Mary Bonds. Bobby Bonilla had two

1438
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Speaker 4: thousand hits. I'm on Baseball Reference right now. I was surprised.

1439
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 2: I remember him being really good when I was a kid.

1440
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 4: Six time All Star. He did win the MVP. No,

1441
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 4: he was voted runner out third fourteenth, sixteenth according to Baseball.

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Speaker 3: When he played for the Pirates or when he was Yeah.

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01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 4: That was the Pirates got around anyways, Bobby bo he

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01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:07,719
Speaker 4: was good.

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Speaker 3: Raced eight people