WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Aggressive Or Play It Safe? 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:08.680 The following He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:19.560 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:23.799 training live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star. 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:35.120 In fists and now your hosts Isaiah stand Back, heck 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:41.400 My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's It's a Tuesday 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:46.200 edition of Talking Cowboys presented by Tostito's the official chip 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:50.479 and Dip of the Dallas Cowboys. To do that and 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:53.040 it went wrong? What were you doing? I was trying. 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:58.560 You're trying to just like fist pump your way tip 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:02.520 of the Dallas Cowboy's live from the SWBC Mortgage Studios 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.600 at the Star. Glad you're with us as we continue 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:08.720 looking back to the twenty to seventeen win the Dallas 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:11.880 Cowboys over the Los Angeles Chargers, and then we start 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:16.160 looking ahead a little bit, peaking forward to the Philadelphia Eagles. 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:18.240 Will have some fan calls later on in the show 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.840 and some tweets to answer as well. Professional football analyst 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:25.440 heck Ma Harrison, a resident Super Bowl champion. Isaiah standback, 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:29.520 We've got the Great Cowboys inside or Rob Phillips Island. 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.000 There's a lot of people in periscope right now. Yeah, 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:34.240 I wonder why I think it was a cow bite yesterday? 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:36.480 You think that's what it was. It was the cowboy, man. 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:38.800 I think it was the smelliest thing first of all. 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:41.720 Cow bite almost I'm telling you, man, he almost took 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:45.160 me out. I couldn't believe. It was better than the 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:49.880 on air. That's the craziest part after the show, I guarantee. 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:51.920 So if you go back and watch yesterday's show, the 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:55.040 tail end of it, there's a cow bite. You can 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.400 hear Rob calling Aaron for the cow bite. You can 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.000 see the cow bout bite on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:01.840 He'd actually do it, but he did it. He did it, 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.280 and it was hilarious on air. But I guarantee we 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:09.079 sat here and laughed for at least ten minutes, just 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:12.440 almost falling against the wall laughing. It was awesome. So 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:14.440 go check it out if you haven't already. It was 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:18.160 a good show yesterday wrapping up the Cowboys and the Chargers. 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:23.000 But good game, Terrence Steele, Good job, good job, Terence. Terreen. 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:24.840 Steele got some praise from Jerry Jones on a one 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.200 on five three The Fan this Morning and Jerry hit 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.360 on a couple extra topics as well. Rob, did you 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:31.880 get a chance to listen, Yeah, I caught most of it. 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:33.760 He went early today, he did. Yeah, he had a 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.239 meeting today apparently, so I caught most of it. He 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:40.440 covered some a lot of topics from an injury standpoint. 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.080 We don't know yet about Amari Cooper for this next game, 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.080 but it sounds like they're hopeful he's got some bruise 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:49.560 ribs that happened. He did take a shot, yeah, and 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:51.799 that last catch twelve yard catch on the last drive. 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.239 But Mike McCarthy reference, maybe it's something that he was 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:56.600 killing you with a little bit, maybe from week one. 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:00.280 So we'll see you on there. And they're optimism stick 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.000 that Randy Gregory will be cleared and back by tomorrow 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:06.959 from the COVID list. So those were the Newsy items. 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:08.920 A couple of news man. You got to listen to 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.280 those Tuesday interviews because you get a lot of gems 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.240 in there. You know, you don't you would expect for 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.040 it if it come from coach Mike McCarthy, But Jerry 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:20.440 is laying down some info. So I've always got my 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:23.679 ear to the speaker. We had breaking news last week. Yes, 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.480 on the right tackle situation. Yeah, Jerry came straight out 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:28.600 and said, hey, Ter Steals gonna be the starter at 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:30.440 right tackle, and all of us were like, wait what 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:34.040 And then the coaching staff and even Stephen were like, oh, 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.600 tap the brakes, Tap the brakes, and then ultimately ended 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:39.160 up being the decision that was made. He also hit 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:43.240 today on John Fossil and the decision to bring the 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.800 house on the punting unit and what ended up being 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.520 the roughing the kicker penalty that kept the drive alive 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:52.880 for the Chargers in that the twenty to seventeen win. Now, 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:55.000 we didn't get a chance to hit on special teams 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:56.800 a whole lot yesterday because we were kind of bouncing 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:59.400 around on offense and on defense. So Isaiah, I want 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:02.760 to bring this to your attention because I mean, you're 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:04.800 the special teams guy. I feel like, on this show, 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:08.000 what did you think about the decision that John Fossil 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.480 made to bring the house and try and go after 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:13.320 this punt and it ultimately backfire and bring the house. 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:15.200 I don't, I don't, I don't. I'm not. I don't 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.159 feel any type of way about you bringing the house. 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.960 You have a responsibility as a player to make the 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:21.680 judgment call whether or not you can make the block 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:25.720 or not, and you have to have that I don't 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.000 know that resistance to really pull off right, even though 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:29.560 it's like I might be close, But if I don't 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:31.120 know for sure that I can get this thing, I 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:34.200 have to pull off because I know the consequence the 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.760 repercussions of me not getting it is a rough in 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:38.720 the passer, I mean a rough and a kicker, which 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.080 results in automatic first down, which means in my defense 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:42.719 is now back out here and we don't get the 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:45.400 ball on offense. So call them boys. If I was 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:47.839 a special team's coordinator and I was able to rush 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:50.480 the kick, rush the punter every time, and know that 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.760 my guys, my hold up guys can still take care 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:56.000 of their business on the outside, giving our return around 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:58.760 opportunity to get a good return. I'm bringing the house 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:01.280 every single time. But typically that's not the case. So 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:03.920 typically you hold off, you go to hold up, which 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.080 means you rush, you get about three steps off the ball, 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.280 you grab your guy, you hold them, and you block 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:09.880 them to the direction that you need to for their 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.839 particular return, and you usually don't get a good hold 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:14.800 up at the line of scrimmage when you're rushing right, 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.680 because usually they you're now attacking them exactly, they shed you, 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:19.840 they throw you, and now they're off running down going 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.320 to cover your returner, and you don't get a chance 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.839 to block them. So if you have a chance to 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:26.719 hold your guys up, hold them up, and when you 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:28.920 take your shots like that, go get it. They just 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.200 got to make a smart decision. That's on the individual 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.240 not to rough the kicker. Now, I believe it was 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:37.359 fourth and twenty in that situation. And but why do 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.360 you think that that decision has been met with so 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:43.680 much resistance, especially with when when when coach Fossil is saying, look, 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.800 we studied the tape, we saw tendencies, they lined up 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:50.040 in the favorable lineup, and we came after it. I mean, 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.520 I mean, that's a that's a coach's answer. But what 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.960 he's basically saying is we saw an opportunity and we 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:57.800 took it. I can tell you this as a punt 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:01.000 on a punt return team, you don't want to hold up. 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:03.840 You really don't. You really don't. I don't care who 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:05.120 you put back there. I don't care if you put 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.360 Cordell Patterson back there. I don't care if you put 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.560 who else that from Chicago? Who it was a return man, 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.960 Devin Hester. Devin Hester's back there. I don't care who's 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.760 back there. You want to go get that ball like 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:17.960 you're out there, because you're you have the ability to 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:19.760 go out there and get the ball. Now, everybody can 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:23.239 hold up their guys, yippie right and get a good block. 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:24.839 You hope that you take care of your assignment and 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:26.720 get your return or a return. But if you can 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:28.800 rush the punter and get a good hold up on 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:30.960 the outside, you give your return or a chance to 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.839 get to make a play. So that is not on fossil. 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.600 Go get the dog on ball. Send them every time. 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.400 As long as we don't rougher putter, nobody complains about it. 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.320 When the punter's not roughed, nobody. Everybody likes to see it. 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:43.960 Everybody likes to see the guy go by and goes, 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:47.440 oh right, and it guess what, Then you forget about 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:48.960 the fact that we that we rushed the punter at 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:50.760 that time, right, But there's always a problem when you 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.120 hit him. And again, that's not his problem, that's the 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.080 other guy's problem. And then the same thing can happen 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.360 even if it was called a hold up. Yeah, even 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.960 if your responsibility rob people say, hey, go hold up. 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.520 Heckma decides to go all the way to the outside 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:03.960 and you got a free runt to a punter. You 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.320 think you're just gonna stand there. No, you're going from 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:07.919 the dog on ball. You're going to his foot, and 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.520 you just hope that you get it. John Fossil appealed 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.800 to the Cowboys nation day. He said he basically said 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.880 he did it for them. He said, I think Cowboys 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.080 fans aren't the play it safe type, so I was 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.320 gonna give them what they wanted come after their ass 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.120 on the punt rush. So I hope they're happy with it. 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.080 I like it. I don't know if they're happy with 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:27.800 it or not. I don't know. I feel like it 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.160 didn't work, so yeah, I feel like it just drew 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.560 more attention to the fact that it didn't work more 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:35.280 than anything. Him answering the question that direction, and you 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.080 like you, Yeah, it's all it's stacking it on, stacking 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:39.960 it on each other. And that's kind of where I 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.720 think that some of the criticism came later yesterday and 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.600 then into today. I think and heck, you just asked. 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:49.040 I think the criticism comes from he's been aggressive from 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:52.840 the moment he got here, and yeah, and he has 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.040 a history of doing that and a lot of times 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:56.960 in his career it's worked a lot of times. So 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:58.880 far in the last two years, it has not worked 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.840 at all, you know. And this is the second game 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:03.880 in a row they've they've played two games this year 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:07.920 this twice. Now, right before halftime, they make an aggressive decision, 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:11.320 you know, they kick a field goal try sixty yards 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:16.040 with Tom Brady waiting at midfield, and it didn't cost 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.080 him anything. There they got they got, you know, they 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:21.280 could be fortunate there. They were fortunate this time that 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.360 Chargers take over and miss a forty four yard field 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.000 goal right before halftime in a close game that would 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.080 have tied the game. So I'm just saying, I mean, 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.480 Dave Hellman always says in a lot of different areas 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.960 of life, scared money don't make money, right, So that's 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:39.000 his philosophy. But when it doesn't work, that's when people 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:42.160 jump all over it, especially in tight games where I mean, 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:43.840 now they've they've played two games in a row where 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:45.319 it comes down to the last play a game it's 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.920 not his fault. There's somebody rushing on every punt block. 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:52.720 On every punt to return, somebody's rushing right. But now 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:54.560 there might be half the line that has hold up, 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.160 but the other half the line is rushing right. Because 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:58.960 if you if you rush the ball, so say there's 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:01.040 a return right right, and how you're on the left side. 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.720 Your job on the left side is to go after 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:05.280 the dog on ball, go try to block it. But 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:06.959 guess so, if you don't block it, guess what you do. 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:09.320 You continue all the way around, and you come around 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:10.920 and you form the wall on the other side, and 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.160 now you're a part of the wall, right. But your 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.559 initial job was to do what go after the dog 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:18.560 on punp block right, So every tog on every player, 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:20.960 there's a punt block called right, but it's just not 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:23.760 the whole team. And people need to understand you don't 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:27.880 need your return team out there to fair catch. Those 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:29.800 guys can sit on the sideline and the punter could 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:31.280 dictate whether or not it's a fair catch or not. 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:33.480 This guy can sky the ball six six seconds in 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:35.560 the air and guess what your punt return is gonna do? 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.120 Fair catch? So you don't need your whole return team 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.880 out there to force a fair catch. Go out there 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:43.520 and be aggressive and get the ball. That's what those 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.600 guys jobs are. That's why you have those guys, those 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:48.560 special teamers, those core guys out there to go after 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:50.520 it and get after the punter. And I think what 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:55.200 people are on Bones about is situational awareness. When you 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.360 talk about kicking a sixty yard field go right before 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:02.720 half and leaving clock time on the clock, this situation, again, 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.320 people are looking at it as a situational thing, and 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.760 I think that's the big The thing that people complain 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.720 about the most about Mike McCarthy and Bones Fossil together 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:15.160 is that they don't have that situational awareness always that 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.959 looks like they're doing what's best for the team, even 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.720 going all the way down to clock management at the 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:22.679 end of the at the end of the game, we 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:24.240 didn't really touch on that. We didn't touch on it. 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:27.960 And again it's ifs maybe's whatever. It didn't happen, it 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.120 didn't cost us. We won the game. But at the 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:33.440 same no, no, But that's that's exactly where I'm going 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:35.640 with this. It's like, it's not costing us right now, 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.880 but we've seen several situations before this where it has 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.280 cost us. And we've looked at Mike McCarthy's coaching history 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.280 where situational awareness is not as acute as it would 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.240 be with some of these other coaches that we're looking at. 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.080 In the least, this is a compounded problem. Yeah, I 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.160 mean there's been a look there, Yeah, there's been situations 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:52.840 that have not worked. I don't blame them for that. 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.240 Whatever happened at the end of the game, because talking 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.440 to people that were there, that clock thing was an issue. 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.160 It did go out, and I know Rex Ryan was 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.199 saying he was Mike was lying in all this note 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:07.120 that's that's the wrong person. Even reference like that. You 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.000 serve the web and you find stuff and it's like 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:12.040 that that's not true, that's not what happened. But um, 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.040 I think the other thing too is when it comes 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:18.160 to Bones, it's like, where's Mike's role in these decisions? 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.520 You know? And like, yeah, like I think fans may 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:26.080 have an opinion that maybe Bones is just going rogue 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.640 on this stuff. They talk about this stuff during the week, 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.280 and like you said, they see something based off their 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:33.760 game plan or what they've discussed during the week. He's 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:38.160 got the authority to make the call. It comes to them. Yeah, 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:42.760 it comes through. Every special team's call comes through coach McCarthy. 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:45.079 When those guys, when you want to kick a field goal, right, 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.520 you could be on a forty year online Coach McCarthy, 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:49.680 you might kick a field goal. Let's do it, Yeah, 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:51.800 Sinn field goal unit. Okay, field goal, let's go, let's 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:55.520 go everything. He's the head coach, he's the CEO out 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:57.520 there on the sidelines. He's the CEO of this team 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.440 down there, especially if it's a call like that where 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.440 it's coming after a punt, or if it's a special 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.760 teams play, trick play, something like that reverse who cares 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.760 whatever it is that doesn't just stem from a hunch 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.520 on a sideline. That's something that you've talked about for 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.120 and then you've practiced for months at a time by 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:21.079 this point. Yeah. And the other thing I would say 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.319 is that I do think a lot of a lot 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:25.200 of this made just for fans may go back to 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:29.680 the fake punt on Thanksgiving of last year. Bad memories. 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.199 It is bad memory. And you know what, as time 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:37.640 goes by, I have yeah, I know, just checked my timeline. 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.600 Taylor Start called me out on that last week too. Um, 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:43.880 I'm just I'm just the messenger, man, just the messenger. 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:46.400 But you know what, as time goes by, like I 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.640 understand more and more why they did that. At the time, 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:51.600 I was like, I've never seen anything like that in 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:53.840 my life. I can't believe they did it. But that 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.800 team was completely wrecked with injuries, and they Mike decided, 0:12:57.840 --> 0:12:59.760 we've got nothing left in the tank. We've got to 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.679 do something to try to go steal this game. But 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:04.680 I do think that's still in the back of people's 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.320 minds when they try something aggressive, it's like, God, what 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:09.760 are they doing? Yeah, you know, at some point it's 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:11.560 going to be the straw that broke the camel's back. 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:16.080 From a frustration standpoint around Cowboys Nation yesterday, that might 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.079 have been the straw. I don't think it's broken the 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.080 camel's back yet, but it's still adding on. And like 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:23.840 Isaiah said earlier, it's stacking on. Here's the compounding exactly 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:28.560 like that. Yeah, here's what John Fossil said yesterday in 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:31.360 his press conference about what he thought of what the 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:35.320 punt sent or felt like from a coach's standpoint. I 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.839 didn't get who they actually my jersey number because it 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:39.680 was a train wreck right there at the block spot. 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.640 But what I got on film is that they're number 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.839 forty hook Kamara and pulled them back into the punter. 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:50.000 And you know, you can make a great case it 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.480 was holding or that the punter hit his own blocker, 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.240 But there's a lot of bodies at that pilot, so 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:01.040 our goal is to come after him. I don't think 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.520 we could fault the referees for the call that they 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.480 made there. But I wanted to ask you that question 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:09.000 a little earlier, Isaiah, but did you think, just the 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:10.880 way that things played out, that that should have been 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:15.599 a flag on Los Angeles as opposed to Dallas or 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:18.480 a no call at all. I think you're going is 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:20.920 going to be called on the rushing team, So it's 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:22.920 gonna be called on Dallas if that if that punter 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.240 gets hit like that is going unless it is blatantly 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:29.560 one guy rushing the personal protector who is the further 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.320 the guy who's closest to the punters. His job is 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.440 ensured that the punter is safe, last last line of defense. 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:39.560 Usually the only time you'll ever see that not called 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:41.960 is if that one person is taking him on head 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.200 to head and plain side in front of the whole screen, 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:46.520 and he is running that guy back into the punter 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:48.680 when he uses when his butt hits the punter and 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.040 knocks the punter over, that won't be called. But what 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:53.680 you saw the other day, that's going to be called 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.160 ninety nine percent at a time. So do you feel 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.160 like now that this played out the way that it 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:01.080 did in week two? This will if in the back 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.360 of John Fossil's mind the rest of the year goes on, 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:05.840 how do you how do how do he end that statement? 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.480 He said, our job is to go after the putter. Yeah, 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:10.600 I just sat here and told you that from somebody 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:13.400 who played ball for six years, and he just told 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.280 you the same thing. They you're you're coming after the punter. 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:18.920 You're not going out there lining up to say, hey, 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:20.880 go ahead and kick the ball so he can wave 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:22.760 at you and catch it in and go, you know, 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.040 maybe an opportunity to steal some fit field position, all 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:28.080 those things on the table for you. If you don't 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:31.160 put pressure, you don't get fumbled, you don't get box snaps, 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:32.480 you don't you know, you don't you don't get any 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.720 of those things. If you just leave him comfortable back there, 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.480 apply pressure because you never know what can happen. Somebody 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.120 can be that personal protector, commiss their assignment. The guys 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.360 in our front line commis their assignment. Somebody can trip, 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.160 somebody can can throw their arm out there, get their 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:46.000 arm knocked down. There's a whole lot of things that 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.280 can happen that can result in you getting a block 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.880 kick And guess what, it doesn't have to be called 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.680 a punt block and it can still happen. There's many 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.520 of the pump blocks in this league happen off misassignments, 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.960 not off of just all out rushes. You're not wrong. 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:04.560 Phones also brought up the Steelers Buffalo game. Yeah, and 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.120 it paid off for Pittsburgh. It did. And because everybody 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.240 said you're up at the time, he said, well, Pittsburgh 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.320 was up at the time by three as well. So 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:15.000 he's not gonna stop being aggressive. That's what you want. 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.000 He also wants to put it in the back of 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:20.280 the opponent's mind of we got this to worry about 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:24.040 potentially on a punt or whatever, field goal whatever, you know, 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:26.600 whether he does it or not. Why is it that 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:29.040 that fans I'm not just thinking to whoever. The fans 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.800 are that feel that way want our offense to be aggressive. Yes, yes, 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:34.400 they wants to be aggressive on offense. They wanted to 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:35.880 throw the ball down the field. They want Coop c 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.000 D and all the boys to get off correct. Yep, Okay, 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.680 we also want our defense to be aggressive. Sure, yes, 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:41.960 we want to come out there. We want to see 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:43.640 Parsons coming off the edge. We want to see guys 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.080 blitz in. We want to see guys getting hit. Yes, yes, 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:49.760 but special teams just be just be chill. Well, I'm 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:51.720 one of those fans. I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.440 this more conservative, And the reason why I feel that way, 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:56.840 it's because your offense. You just mentioned what I was 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:00.800 just thinking the same way. Gallup, Dak Ezekiel, Elie, Tony Pollard, 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.200 Lake Jarwin, Dalton Jolts. The list goes on and on. 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:07.760 The weapons you have special teams, it's a Zert Kamara, C. J. Goodwin. 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:11.360 Nothing wrong with these guys, Darrey and Thompson. The special 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:15.960 teams personnel is not nearly as strong. I want the 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:19.040 ball in my best but it never wants them to 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:21.360 be aggressive. But it never don't want to be conservative 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.960 with my best, but just what that's what That's what 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.960 Chris just said. You know, when it works out, you 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:28.800 had when you look at other teams where it works out, 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.159 there are no complaints because what it does if flips 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:35.520 field position, it changes momentum in the game, and that's 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.600 what you want. And we man, we've talked about culture 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:43.040 so much, and you're all three facets of the game, offense, defense, 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:46.560 and special teams, and so now you have that. And look, 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:48.240 I just think that people are trying to draw the 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:51.720 line between what's risky and what's just downright reckless, and 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.120 that is a blurred line. So so when you start 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:57.680 talking about fake punts and things of that nature, or 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:01.200 you know, are you know, surprise on like kicks, those 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.159 are decisions that I can understand people questioning, right, but 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.359 nobody questions whether or not you go after What about 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:11.359 field goal blocks? Does anybody question those? Every single field 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:15.760 goal block is called block. Yeah, it's you're coming after 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.480 the kickers. It's the It's up to the person who 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.440 is out there carrying out the assignment to not make 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:24.760 a bozo decision like that. It's not the coach got 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:26.440 to come through. It's not the coach man, when we 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:28.480 start talking about those on site kicks and fake punts, 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:30.560 I am all the way on board with y'all's that's 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.160 just some of those things don't need to be called. 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:34.920 But we're talking about punt block, y'all. You're talking about 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:36.879 punt block. You go after the punter. Your job is 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:38.640 due that. Otherwise, why do we need to keep guys 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:40.359 on this team for special teams? Well, you can just 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.160 do safe return, right, I mean just and like Kyle said, 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:44.800 just put it in their hands and let them Yeah, 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:46.280