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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating Wild Broke.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Colleen Wit and today we have a

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Speaker 1: very special guest. We have Norm Steel from you guys

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Speaker 1: may know him from Gangster Chronicles on The Black Effect,

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Speaker 1: On the Black Effect. I met you on a panel

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Speaker 1: through My Heart and in the Black Effect, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, Gangster Chronicles. I don't know you know, but

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Speaker 1: if you guys know anything about Gangster Chronicles, Um, what

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Speaker 1: makes Gangster Chronicles interesting is your perspective on and your

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Speaker 1: mission of the show, which is you kind of get

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Speaker 1: the behind the scenes of what's going on in the streets. Um,

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Speaker 1: and it's not so much about gangsterism. We have to

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Speaker 1: redefine what gangster means to me as gangster the Colleen

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Speaker 1: is all you're doing her She's following her dreams. This

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Speaker 1: is gangster right here, she's actually producing her own show

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Speaker 1: in conjunction with Black Effect. There's gangster. So gangster to

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Speaker 1: me is anyone who has overcame into amountable odds to

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Speaker 1: make something happen. Yeah. So those are the people we

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Speaker 1: talk about. Whether it's the guy that got to prison,

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Speaker 1: may have served twenty years and now he owns a

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Speaker 1: chain of car wash. There's gangster right there. He's made

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Speaker 1: a change in his life. Yeah, And I like that

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Speaker 1: you it's it's also like educational and you showcase the

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Speaker 1: impacts of like what decisions were made that led to

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Speaker 1: what certain outcomes without glorifying like a negative lifestyle. And

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Speaker 1: I think, I think when you hear the term gangster chronicles,

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Speaker 1: you know, And I'm only addressing it now right now

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Speaker 1: because I want our listeners to like really understand like

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Speaker 1: your mission and what the show is about if they

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Speaker 1: haven't already checked it out. But in the interim, I

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Speaker 1: would love to know what you are cooking us on

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Speaker 1: eating while broke. Well, right now, you guys are gonna

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Speaker 1: get treated to big steel noxios. I like that. This

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Speaker 1: is something I sort of made up when I was

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Speaker 1: in college because when you're in college, you don't have

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Speaker 1: that much money, but you want to eat good. So

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Speaker 1: I think, um Taco Bill might have impeded on my

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Speaker 1: trademark on my IP when they start doing the reto

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Speaker 1: locals tackles and all that stuff, because I like using

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Speaker 1: the retos. They just gave it the extra flavor, right,

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Speaker 1: And plus I didn't have the money to go out

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Speaker 1: and buy a whole bunch of season. So it's almost

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Speaker 1: like the ritos gave you your flavor, right and then

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Speaker 1: you know you started adding I started adding stuff on

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Speaker 1: to the dishes. It's time went along and you know

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Speaker 1: today we're going to be using some ground turkey versus beef.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can do this with chicken as well.

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Speaker 1: Or if you're vegan, you can go out and get that.

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Speaker 1: What's the type of meat that they have, the false

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Speaker 1: meat and beyond me, beyond me or whatever it was

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Speaker 1: like that, you know, health conscious? So ready to kick

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Speaker 1: it off? Yeah, let's kick it off. Start us off.

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Speaker 1: What are the ingredients before? Right here? We have some

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Speaker 1: evaporated milk. Now you can use good old milk out

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Speaker 1: your refrigerator. I choose to use evaporated milk because it

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Speaker 1: makes the cheese come out cream here. I mixed that

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Speaker 1: But or you can just go get a bag of

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Speaker 1: shredded cheese if that's what you want to and it's

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Speaker 1: gonna milk on his own when you put someone hot

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Speaker 1: ingredients on there. Again, it's whatever you want. We have jalapenos,

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Speaker 1: we have sour cream. We have ree fried beans, you know,

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Speaker 1: the whole monkey. And this right here is velvita right here. Again,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be velvita. You can go out

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Speaker 1: and get your use your own alternatives. But first we'll

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Speaker 1: be going to and then you have the cool ranch chips,

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Speaker 1: the cool ranch, yeah, cool range, the retos right here.

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Speaker 1: What are you gonna season to meet with them? It's

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Speaker 1: right here. Good old salt and get old salt and pepper,

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Speaker 1: because you remember, usually now you can do your meat

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Speaker 1: with the tacole sauce to you know, taco season something

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Speaker 1: like that. You can't do that, but I didn't do

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Speaker 1: that today for the sake of time. And just you know,

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Speaker 1: again we are dying while broke. The Every student may

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Speaker 1: So first what we're gonna do. We're using this ground

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Speaker 1: of turkey. We're gonna put that in here first. Already hot,

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Speaker 1: and it's already hot. You know, you want to get

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Speaker 1: go ahead and help you. I'll open the cheese, yes, ma'am. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: too critical. Oh so this is my first time, for

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Speaker 1: all your listeners, that I've actually ever used Velvita cheese. Um,

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Speaker 1: I actually did not know if this was an refrigerated

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Speaker 1: you can find that right right on the shelf. So dude,

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Speaker 1: so I put, I put the Velvita cheese on the choppolo,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that to you. Yeah. So my

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Speaker 1: But I guess that's the end result of what you're

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Speaker 1: about to do with the Velvita cheese. Yes, I am.

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Speaker 1: Can we turn this up somewhere? Yeah, so you're a

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Speaker 1: put some salt and pepper on there. You know you

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Speaker 1: gotta have some season. Yeah, of course. And nothing beats

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Speaker 1: good old fashioned salt and pepper. Yeah. I've had chefs

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Speaker 1: something that seasons things. But he had told that salt

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Speaker 1: best season for steak is good old salt and pepper. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Chop a par velveta right here, and chop this up

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Speaker 1: right here. Get this right here. We don't need a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of this. We probably half a half a

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Speaker 1: pack of this leftover. And that's for when you want,

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Speaker 1: you know, some more big steel naxos or whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: To call them once you start making them. Whatever your

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Speaker 1: name meals. There would be your version of nacho's. Like

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Speaker 1: when you're making you can call them Colleen's Colleen's nacho.

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Speaker 1: I'm okay, keep the steel nachos. I like it. Now,

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Speaker 1: Velvita cheese, Is that real cheese? Yes, the deal is

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Speaker 1: real cheese. Well how come it wasn't in a refrigerated section.

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Speaker 1: Well that's something you have to call then. Ass crafting

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Speaker 1: these other companies, I don't know how they do it,

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Speaker 1: milk because you get a nice little cream take. You know,

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Speaker 1: doing a great job. You want to have to get

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Speaker 1: our chees together. Okay, So for all your listeners, he's

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Speaker 1: chopping up the Velvita cheese into like little triangles. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: came up with the velveta cheese. Yeah, I came up

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Speaker 1: and then another thing we want to start warming up. Two.

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Speaker 1: Next we start with all this is getting together. We

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Speaker 1: It's not too stiff, but smooth, you know. So we're

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Speaker 1: way by the time I'm finished. Well, you gotta show

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Speaker 1: love to your food. Are you laughing behind your mask?

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Speaker 1: I think I think there's laughing behind the mask because

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Speaker 1: I refer to it as a can of careful. Well,

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Speaker 1: this Nigel takets like no carefold when I'm done with it.

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Speaker 1: So you gotta put a lot of love until you do.

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Speaker 1: You need this burner turned up to a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah we can. We can turn it up a little

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Speaker 1: bit so you don't have to add anything to refight beings.

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Speaker 1: You just have to heat it. You just gotta heat

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Speaker 1: It has just enough fluid already where you don't have

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Speaker 1: to add anything. You know it's gonna get nice, nicest

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Speaker 1: and experience. You've got all these different flavors of explosion

423
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Speaker 1: and flavors in here and seeing. The thing is, I

424
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: can't stress how amazing these nachos are. Like, Jared, I

425
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: wish you'd come over and eat some of the drill Katie, huh,

426
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: we have plenty of them at the words, you have

427
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: plenty for them. After words, UM, this is amazing, all right?

428
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: My last bit? And then I can they're addictive and

429
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 1: that's why you don't eat these every day because you

430
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: have missed round. It's kind of like almost made my

431
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 1: fried deviled eggs. What. So let me just tell you

432
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: a little backstory. So Norm and I have been trying

433
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: to tape with each other for months. Norm, come on,

434
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: we're trying to work our schedules together. Then I was like, Norm,

435
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 1: what do you want to make? His first option for me?

436
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: Everybody was meat loaf, and I was like, he was like,

437
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: have you ever had meat loaf? I'm like, uh, if

438
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 1: I did, I don't think I ever remember the experience.

439
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: But I didn't want meat loaf. And I was like,

440
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure, norm you have something else. He was like, oh,

441
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: what about these nachos? And I was like, that's a

442
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: great idea. But now while we're here, you offer me

443
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: deviled eggs. Deviled eggs. I've never had that. It's like,

444
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 1: those are pretty much like the traditional deviled eggs, except

445
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: you got a twist on him. You couldn't egg whites,

446
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 1: and half couldn't and they have you put your arm,

447
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 1: You're you're yoking the boat right when it's done, when

448
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: it's cooked right, You take those halves, You're dip them

449
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: in a little bit of flour. Then you dip them

450
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: in some egg white. Then you put them in the

451
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: bread crumbs read crimebs. You put them in the skill

452
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: of deep friar hope it with a little um, one

453
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: of the little scoops. Put them in there, maybe ten seconds,

454
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 1: take them out, but I'm driving. You know, paper towels, napkins,

455
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: you know the absorb the oil. Then you know like

456
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 1: traditional devil the eggs. You put the eggs in the basket,

457
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 1: whip them up, put some miracle whip in there, some

458
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: sweet relish, nice sweeting tank. You relish a little bit

459
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: of a little bit of you know, kayenne, just a

460
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 1: little taste of cayenne pepper, just so it has that

461
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: little bite to him. Then you want to get the bacon,

462
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: but you want a specific kind of bacon. You want

463
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: the bacon that has um, like the sweet bacon, like

464
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: the hickory with the hickory tasting, or you can put

465
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: a cheat them, even put a little bit of syrup

466
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: on when you're cooking the bacon. Right, that's a whole

467
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: another story though, I was gonna say, um, when you

468
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: come back, fire devil eggs will be the option. I

469
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: definitely well hooked at up those take long. You can't

470
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: be putting me under those stipulations with that college. These

471
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 1: naturs are amazing. But I really want to know your

472
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: backstory on how you got to gangster chronicles and where

473
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 1: you're at today. Now, you said you were in college

474
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: when you were eating these, So tell me like a

475
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: little bit about your background, Like what were you doing

476
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: in college? Well, I'm originally from Cleveland, Ohio, and I

477
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: was a guy like a lot of other athletes, especially

478
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: in that area, to where I didn't have the academic

479
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: portion together out of high school. So a lot of

480
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: opportunities I had coming out of high school I couldn't

481
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: take advantage of because I've had a great So I

482
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: wound up coming out here to long Be City College.

483
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: There was the choice between either me coming here to

484
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: a tend school or going to coffee Ville in Kansas.

485
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: And they actually had scholarships and coffee Field, Kansas dorms

486
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: and everything. But anybody that knows about Coffeeville, Kansas knows

487
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: it's not exactly the sexiest destination and the planet. So

488
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: I chose to come out here to California. Came out

489
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: here when I was seventeen years old. Um, thanks to

490
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: coach weal Shaw good mentor mind steal the manness in

491
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: my life that day. Me and his son are best friends.

492
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: So I played football at Longbe City College, who there

493
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: got a scholarship to New Mexico State University. UM. I

494
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: met my wife when I was at Longbe City College.

495
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: So I wound up twin around playing professional football in

496
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: the CFL and Arena Football League for a few years.

497
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: That really wasn't my thing. So I came back. You know,

498
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: I had a son already, so I wanted to be

499
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: in my son's life. And it's not like I was

500
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: making millions of dollars playing arena football, so I had

501
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 1: to make a choice. I came home and started kind

502
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: of integrating into the real world. Always had a love

503
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: for music. You know, my family food musicians, right, So

504
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: I was always had this love for music. So I

505
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: wound up somehow through one of my friends, Mario, he

506
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: could add them. I wound up getting involved in the

507
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: music business distribution. At first, UM we were going out

508
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: to some conventions, you know, conventions that they had back then,

509
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: sex as Jack the Rapper and all this different stuff.

510
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: And then we wound up going out to a convention

511
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: called mid Him that's where all the distributors meet up worldwide.

512
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: From there, I met one of my um like the

513
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: guy that would become a mentor to me and the

514
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,239
Speaker 1: music industry, Dim run Pillow from the UK. Wound up

515
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: doing a lot of business with them. So I started

516
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: distributing a lot of records here from United States overseas.

517
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: Our company did two million dollars our first year. And

518
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: you when you say our company like your own, your

519
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: own company. We had our own distributors, We had our

520
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: own distributors. We were distributing the albums. We were distributing

521
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: the dog Pounds albums through my boy big A. Shoutut

522
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: to my partner, big A. We were doing Dad's Dear

523
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: Luxury Corrupt all those guys overseas and I haven't heard

524
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: so long. But then what happened was we had this

525
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: strange little thing to where the record company started kind

526
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: of tripping on people selling. Look, it's called mixtapes. That's

527
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: when you had the whole thing that went down with

528
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: DJ's drama. And even though we were selling legal you know,

529
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: we were selling legal content. We wouldn't bootleg enough. And

530
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: these release artists albums. The record companies was like, man,

531
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: we're not getting our cut off that ship. So they

532
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: started shifting everything down. So wait, how are you able

533
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: to get the record without the label? You were selling

534
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: legal records, but but you were getting the material from

535
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,479
Speaker 1: the artist without from the artists, but without the labels involvement,

536
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: without the labels involving, you know, the average artists only

537
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: is getting the CD. So they got to try to

538
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: find ways outside of touring and make money. So we

539
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: were doing this stuff, and I was doing some other

540
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: people that were independent to those weren't the problem that

541
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: one the stuff that was selling a bunch of records

542
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: was the stuff that came from the record companies. So

543
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: I kind of started writing on the wall with that.

544
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: But through me starting to release more material that was

545
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: kind of proprietary to me. I was clearing the sample

546
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: one day and I called this company Mind of Music, Hey,

547
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: we want to get this sample clear. You know we're

548
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: gonna pay to get the sample clear. They started asking

549
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: a bunch of questions like well, who is the artist?

550
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: Who is this? Who wrote this? Who wrote that? And

551
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: I was like, well I did this and I did that.

552
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: So they wound up needing when me in l A

553
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: and we wound up doing a publishing deal. I was

554
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: a writer and that was your first publishing. Yeah, so

555
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: I did want to doing the publishing with them. On

556
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 1: top of that, they told me some goals that they

557
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: had as far as expanding into a United States because

558
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: this company had a huge catalog. They had like the

559
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 1: regional rights to like the fall some of the Beatles

560
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: catalog so they had, you know, the Gap band. They

561
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: had a lot of catalog, right, So we wound up

562
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: happing deals from near They said, hey, norm, we want

563
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: to open up office here in the States. Would you

564
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: run that office? But but you're at this point you're

565
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,239
Speaker 1: assigned to them as almost like an artist right as

566
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: a as a writer. So and then to backtrack just

567
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: a little bit, can you break down what a publishing

568
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: deal looks like to just the average listener? Well, the

569
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: publishing deal is someone they come to you. It could

570
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,239
Speaker 1: be you. You can come to someone and say, hey,

571
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: I want to partend is paid in your publishing rights.

572
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to advance you a certain amount of money

573
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: based on what I think it was your worth. They

574
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: may say, okay, i'm gonna give you two and fifty

575
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: dollars and we're going to share in. We're gonna do

576
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: a co pub deal, which means mean you're going straight

577
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: down the middle. You get twenty five percent and I

578
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: get you get fifty percent. And in turn, they're usually

579
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: people that are able to take your music to different

580
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: places to work those assets. So I wounded up working

581
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: with them maybe six years. Um I wanted up coming

582
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: the head of Urban music Um. The first record that

583
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: we actually got placed wind up going platinum. It was

584
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: ice cream paying job. Shout out to my little partner

585
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: two months. That was the first producer I ever signed.

586
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: He wind up going platinum at the gate Um. But

587
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: I started having issues with the publishing company because I

588
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: brought some artists in there that I feelt could have

589
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: been a really revolutionized music. I brought Kendrick Lamar and

590
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: when he was just going by, they see no. I thought,

591
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: actually all the TV in there, they told me no.

592
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: So I kind of was feeling some kind of way

593
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: about that because I said, well, you know, you give

594
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: me this job, you're not giving me the support to it.

595
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: I pretty much had a pin with no ink. They

596
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: let me do too much because that deal was cheap

597
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: in comparison, and TD wasn't asking for a whole lot

598
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: of money at that time, not comparing it what you

599
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: would have got. Yeah, you know that we did that deal,

600
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: we would all probably be sitting on top of the

601
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: hills somewhere. So they so you ended up walking. I

602
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: ended up walking, and I was young back then, the

603
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: kind of arrogant. If I had to do all over again,

604
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: I would handled it a little differently. But yea, I

605
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: wound up walking away. Now when you say arrogant, was

606
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: do you feel like you probably took over? And you

607
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: were like, I can I come make money on my own?

608
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: So I'm good. It was one of those things. And

609
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: I had a lot of people at that time offered

610
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: me jobs in other houses like I had. Cobalt offered

611
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: me a job. I had, Bug Music offered me a job.

612
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: I had different like you know, from publishing companies off

613
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: from me a job because everybody wants the black guy

614
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: that's connected to the streets, you know, they want the

615
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: black guy that can go to anybody's studio session and

616
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: just kind of pop up. And they were willing to support.

617
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: But what I didn't know was you're only good for

618
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: one of those other jobs when you're working at the job.

619
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: Once you're gone, they don't know if you got fired,

620
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: they don't know what it is. They're not trying to

621
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: investigate why. So all those same people that was blowing

622
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: up my phone, you know, five six months earlier, they

623
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: wasn't around no more. So I had to figure out

624
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: some stuff. So what I started doing is my friend

625
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: at that time, Glasses my loan. He was hot as

626
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: fish recent the streets like he was hot, he was

627
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: m He was in Games camp at the time. He

628
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: was running around the Black Wall Street camp. So and

629
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: me and him were always friends. I started helping him

630
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: more and more because he was knew he was an

631
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: incredible rapper, but he didn't know the song writing. So

632
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: Glasses had this situation. He was running around with Black

633
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: Off Street with Game and them, and he became the

634
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: hottest guy in the streets. Like he had a song

635
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: called three hundred that went crazy on the ready and

636
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: at that time his brother who was managing them and

637
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: um he was signed to Sony. He has signed a

638
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: million dollar deal with Sony Music and m Sony One.

639
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: They decided that they were getting rid of their urban department.

640
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: He had an album that was already completely done finished.

641
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: You know, White left Gene a whole bunch of different

642
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: people on their many fresh on the production DJ to

643
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: you know, we had a real album. So in the

644
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: process of the label decided he was getting rid of

645
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: the Urban music department. He became a free agent. They

646
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: let him walk away with the money in the album.

647
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: So there was a lot of people calling and so

648
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: mat Ten from Cat from on who banging records. He

649
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: wanted to sign Glasses, but he wanted to do it

650
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: with cash money records, and we thought, you know what,

651
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: we got somebody from the west still kind of the

652
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: picture versus let's just dealing directly with cash money. So

653
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: we did that deal and it turned out good. Burdman

654
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: paid everything that Birdman and Mac took care of us.

655
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: It wasn't. None of the descripancies that we hear about

656
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: what the other artists or whatever? Did you own most

657
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 1: of your publishing or did you have glass is always

658
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: on this punty public and we didn't. I made sure

659
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: that we didn't do those deals unless they was coming

660
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: with a bunch of money. So the cool part of

661
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: Batty was we winds up signing the cash money. Now,

662
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 1: remember I told you earlier about Glasses and this record

663
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,959
Speaker 1: making ability. One of the greatest rappers in the world

664
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: at that time. But song structural wist. He has dope songs,

665
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: but you know you're trying to, you know, hit on

666
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: some trakes ship. You didn't trying to come out and

667
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: just have some ship that's right here. You want to

668
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: go right here. So he got a lot better at

669
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: what it was he was doing in a situation with

670
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: cash Money didn't quite work out because they were talking

671
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: about pushing the album back, and at that time the

672
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: Glasses didn't don't know better, none of us knew any better.

673
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: We probably should have just deal with their asses to

674
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: him push the record back. Glasses like, no, I want

675
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: to I want my record to come out. I want

676
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: to release. So we wound up getting to release from

677
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: cash Money and wanted up release an album to somebody else.

678
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: Even though it was technically steal through cash Money, it

679
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: wasn't through the universe anymore through somebody else, So that

680
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: album did would have did I think we might have

681
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: wound up doing fifty thousand units, which is not that much,

682
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: you know for the caliper of artist he was. But

683
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: that kind of took us through, like this soul searching

684
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: period to where we really start locking in the studio.

685
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: Like Glasses want to learn how to play the bass guitar.

686
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: He learned how to play the guitar. He really got

687
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: in his music, started playing drums. Would you say at

688
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: that point you guys hit Do you think you hit

689
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: like a kind of rock bottom when or was it

690
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: like a reality check? Because you're it sounds like you

691
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: guys were like so confident, and then the record, you know,

692
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: you you went against you went against cash Money's decision,

693
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 1: and then the reality was the record didn't do as

694
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: well as the record didn't do as well when if

695
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 1: we were listening to Baby Team, we'd have been find

696
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: And you think, do you think at that point it

697
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: was a timing thing or do you think it was

698
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: like the record just wasn't there, or maybe he went

699
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: with the wrong single. What the thing was, we didn't

700
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: have no records there. We was trying to guess. It's

701
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: like we had dope records. Don't get me wrong. These

702
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: records were incredible, but they weren't records that fitting Glasses Lane.

703
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: Like last I was still trying to figure out who

704
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: he was as an artist. Like so, you know, when

705
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: you're looking at everybody else this popum, when you look

706
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: at Tune, which is Wayne, what works for Wayne ain't

707
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: necessarily work for Lashes and Wayne had a people look

708
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: at Wayne now, but Wayne has been around for such

709
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: a long time, it was and he went through an

710
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: evolution process as an artist himself exactly. And Wayne was

711
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: going stupid at that time. It's like, I remember we

712
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: went to Vegas to for the Lollipop video, and I

713
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: remember Birdman just standing on the side of the bus saying, yeah,

714
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: Wayne sold a million copies this week, and I was

715
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: just like, God, damn, this dude is actually the baddest

716
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: motherfucker on the planet right now. And Wayne is just

717
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: such a cool motherfucker. He's not m how are we

718
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 1: in here talking about? Now? That's how win niels. He's

719
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: gonna come by and introduced himself to you and shake

720
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 1: your hand, shake your hand, or douce himself. He's gonna

721
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: shake everybody in your hand, and he's gonna treat everybody

722
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: from the janitor to the manager to place the same way.

723
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: I So I used to have a magazine and I

724
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to a little way, and I think

725
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: dropped the Lollipop record around that time, And I remember

726
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: I worked a lot with Universal Records, but I do

727
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 1: remember it being like, if you wanted to interview Wayne,

728
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: it was completely up to Wayne, like they had no

729
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: control over anything that that camp did. It was just

730
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: kind of like they were so thankful to even be

731
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: able to distribute. They just didn't mess with the process.

732
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: But I could not get Wayne unless I had a

733
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: Wayne direct contact. At the time, it was like you

734
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: couldn't go through a label. The book an interview with

735
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: Tune is doing what Tune want to do? Is the man?

736
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah he was. It was yeah. It wasn't even option

737
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: they did even they were just like, yeah, we don't.

738
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: We don't have because it's not like he needs to

739
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: cover your magazine. It's not like he needs you to

740
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: play a song on the radio. If you look at

741
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: if you look at Wayne's influence today on the music industry,

742
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: you have what's the kid's name, the kid from Philly's name. Well, no,

743
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: you don't even talk about younger rappers now. First of all,

744
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't even listen to the Mumble rappers

745
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: star I do not you the guy that had that song,

746
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: short guy, he has a big record. Anyway, if you

747
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: look at everybody, the kids from Philly, I think, if

748
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: you look at everybody from young Thug to the other

749
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: rappers day, everybody has Wayne's influence written all over. But Wayne,

750
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: I would say that, But Wayne is I don't. I

751
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: don't even consider him a rapper. He is a full string.

752
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: He's he's almost on the level of her right now.

753
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: Or he really is all encompassing art music. Yeah, he

754
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 1: different instruments, like he's he's his own body of art. Yeah.

755
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: The only guy I know they can even compare to

756
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: him kind of like as a level on the level

757
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: of artistry he's on, it's probably Kendrick. And Kendrick is

758
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: a guy I've known since he was sixteen years old,

759
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: and I saw him go through his evolution, but he

760
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: just figured it out hell of early. Like I remember

761
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: one day he was in the studio when he made

762
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: that transition. He was over a top Dog studio in Carson.

763
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: They had a studio behind the house that was just

764
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: in the back, and I remember him saying one day, like,

765
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: because he went through a period where he was sounding

766
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: just like Wayne for it, man, he was releasing mixtapes

767
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: and he sounds just like Wayne. And he said one

768
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: day like, you know what, I'm just gonna be Kentried,

769
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna be who I am, and his music

770
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: just kind of exchanged. And he was always incredible, but

771
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 1: then you saw him just kind of just go It's

772
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: just like it's some special people. So being around these

773
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: special people, Glasses said, Man, I want to be one

774
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: of these special people. So he really just evolved like

775
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: on this level, and he has a level of truth

776
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: and honesty to his records that may piss some people off,

777
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: Like when we did the two part Much Die record.

778
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: For those that really didn't listen to the record, there

779
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: was a lot of people pissed off about the records.

780
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: They were just off a long. But when Glasses realized

781
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: that that it has to be more than just a

782
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: song and the story or nobody is gonna look at it,

783
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 1: listen to it, nobody's gonna pay attention to the video,

784
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna look at it. So even if you look

785
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 1: at his last single, Kanye shouldn't have married that bitch

786
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: the language, but he knew that would catch people's attention

787
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: even though it wasn't. Then they're really degrading offer Kim

788
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: or whatever. It was just a song about the scandals

789
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: as girl and he tiled Kane, so he figured out

790
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Like, if Glasses wasn't a rapper, I

791
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: think in another life he would probably be one of

792
00:40:49,400 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: the biggest marketing guys in the company Sound Problem. So

793
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: at this point you're managing Glasses, all right, So then

794
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: how do we get all the way I'm trying to

795
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: get to where you're This is all the story, so

796
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: me managing Glasses and figuring out who he was as

797
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: a man. He's an opinion they to do and he's

798
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: a contrarian as well. Anything you have to say, he's

799
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: gonna have an argument against it or maybe for but

800
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna really and he's gonna debate. You want an

801
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: intellectual capacity, he's We don't deal with emotion. We're just

802
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: gonna take the truth straight out. This is what it is. Right.

803
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: So with that being said, I started really getting big

804
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: in the talk radio. I was listening to a lot

805
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: of talk radio, you know, just because when you work

806
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: in the music and it for you don't want to

807
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: hear music, or you love music, but you just want

808
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: to get away from that ship. So I started listening

809
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: to a lot of different people and I said, Glasses,

810
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: I heard this thing people are doing called the podcast.

811
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: And at this time they were probably only like thirty

812
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: or forty people doing podcasts. You figured this is maybe

813
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: this is maybe two thousand and eighteen, and we're like, man,

814
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: So we wanted to talk to your boy Ski over

815
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: at m J Ski because Ski had com Steve has

816
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: a company called um, he has this little app that

817
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: he has. Right, So we were up their recording Glasses podcast.

818
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: Of course, Glasses didn't do it consistently. We would do

819
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: one or two episodes. Then I come show up to

820
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: this law to do it and he wouldn't be there.

821
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 1: Just wait for me, Bro, I'll beat him thirty minutes,

822
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: thirty minutes termed to two hours. You know how you

823
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: we use Glasses, but with Right now, I'm hoping we

824
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: can la. These will come in trust me. So we

825
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: go through this thing where we're doing these podcasts, right

826
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: and Glasses podcasts. Actually it was called The Unpopular Opinion,

827
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: and it actually started catching people. But then we went

828
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: on this hiatus with it. Then that's when I see it.

829
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: You know what fun this? I went full on the

830
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: podcast and I decided to start Digital Soapbox Media. At

831
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: that time, I didn't really want to do a podcast.

832
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: I had plans on doing one, but I wanted to

833
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: get this off the ground. I was like, I figured

834
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: out the business model of it, right. So I had

835
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: a friend who worked at CBS. He said, send me

836
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: an air check tape. So I sent him Glass and Show.

837
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: He loved it. So now we got this deal with

838
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: CBS the time, which is probably a worth deal and

839
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: hit real podcast, and it was like, I think we

840
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: was getting something like thirty They was paying for the

841
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: studio time on certain shows, right, but on other shows

842
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: they didn't pick up. I had to cover that studio time, right.

843
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: So I had these shows, and I had an idea

844
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: of a year earlier by the show called gainst the Chronicles.

845
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: I said, dude, I want to do a show about people.

846
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: I didn't. I wanted to be a crime show, but

847
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to show the opposite effect of it. I

848
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: just didn't want to be out there like everybody else,

849
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: kind of like glorifying some ship because it looks cool.

850
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: I wanted to tell the truth, you know, and show

851
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: that it is light at the end of the tunnel.

852
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: So we started The Gangster Chronicles. I said, we need

853
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: to get a real street dude. If we could find

854
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: a guy that worked in law enforcement, and we gotta

855
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: have a square. I played the Square for the first

856
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: five episodes, but at that time I was looking at

857
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: moving to Atlanta, because you know, I'm in the music industry,

858
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, this is really cracking and

859
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: a t L. I want to go down there and

860
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: plus your money districts from me and my wife had

861
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: actually went down there and actually was in the process

862
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: of booting to a house and I was gonna rint

863
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: my house out to a friend out here. So that

864
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: didn't happened. I wound up staying. So in the course

865
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: of that, I wound up hiring somebody to replace me

866
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: as the square the Squares gets the moderator on Gangster Chronicles.

867
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: He's not really the start. He's like the guy that

868
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: kind of keeps the conversation flowing because you've got two guys.

869
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: Is that the reason why you're calling the squares Because

870
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: you didn't have like a gangster background. Yeah, because you

871
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: don't have no gang affiliation. There had to be somebody

872
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: to be neutral, Like, we didn't want nobody in there

873
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: that was, like, you know, may have the crip or

874
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: blood or whatever, because they couldn't come from a really

875
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: they couldn't come from a subjective place. You feel what

876
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying. They would always be about theyhood or whatever.

877
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: So we brought this other guy in. Um, the whole

878
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: thing leaves with that show. We knew that one of

879
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: the hosts, Reggie Wright, was gonna be a head to

880
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: turn himself in. He got caught up in some stuff

881
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: with his Mari wanted dispensery or whatever, and he he

882
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: didn't know what kind of time he was gonna get.

883
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: He didn't know what he was whether he was gonna

884
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: get a year or twenty years. We didn't know what

885
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: them people were talking about. Right, So luckily he wounded

886
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: up getting a year. So we had him going to jail.

887
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: So I said, you know what, I didn't bring up

888
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: the part about you know, everybody knowing podcasting is going

889
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: through this thing and where when someone makes it big,

890
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: it's always somebody discriminal and their crew that comes out

891
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: talking ship like, oh he dogged me out. So this

892
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,959
Speaker 1: is what happened with me. This is my first lesson

893
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: and stuff. Right, we got the show going and they're

894
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: starting to pop because and I'm not gonna say it's

895
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: because of my genius, and that's sail, but lad has

896
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: starts speaking on the show a whole lot. And at

897
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: that time, the guy James was this a thing second

898
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: highest still maybe the second most watched interview ever on

899
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: his podcast. He was like at like something like fifteen

900
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: million views or something like that, Right, James James McDonald's

901
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: on one of the coasts the chronicles. Then you had Reggio,

902
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: when that Reggio was a real, real controversial guy. Reggie

903
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: ain't got no filter. He kind of just says whatever

904
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: comes to the Reggie's mind and he's gonna say it, right.

905
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: So you already had that like kind of like um

906
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 1: that car crash effect to where people have turned around

907
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: you don't know what they gonna say next. And so

908
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: we got this other guy whose name I won't mention

909
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: this on that right the very the second month he

910
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: was there, he tried to convince James and the other

911
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: co hosts to come with him and his other guy

912
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: across the street somewhere. So they told me about it again.

913
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: I don't deal in emotion, not deal in business. I

914
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: need no one new Ray. She was about to go

915
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: to jail and mean knowing that there's no way James

916
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: could do this by myself. Now, I don't have the

917
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: time to do this show. I couldn't just check this

918
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: dude off the show. So I told him, hey, man,

919
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: I'm getting to what you got going on. Don't be

920
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: trying to impede on my show, you know what I mean?

921
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: And I just took a totally professional approach to it.

922
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I was gonna get attorneys evolved

923
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: and everything else. But them dudes when leaving, right, So

924
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: he stayed there and he just kind of just became

925
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: more and more of a headache. It was always things

926
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: like and at that time, the first fifteen twenty episodes

927
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: Against the Chronicles ain't on film because it was the

928
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: strictly audio thing. But we had a fan base of

929
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: people start saying, you guys just started recording the show,

930
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: and I was thinking, like, what the hell do I

931
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: find up and a person that I just that wasn't

932
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: my world and I didn't get into it for that.

933
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: So I had this guy did it kept in boxing

934
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: me and I didn't know he was in boxing me

935
00:47:54,960 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: on Instagram, different hitting boxes and here. Because if you

936
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: somebody not following you, you can have somebody trying to

937
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: give you a million dollars and they didn't get to you.

938
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: So I finally looked at it and I said, you

939
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: know what, this guy has some pretty good stuff. I

940
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: called him. I wanted to make sure he wasn't weird,

941
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: because you know, dealing with the internet, you don't know

942
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: you invite somebody in your studio. They might comep in,

943
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: try to murder you, ask something you know. So I

944
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: met him. He wounded up being a cool dude, So

945
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: he wounded up being our guy. Actually wanted up becoming

946
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: an employee of Digital Soapbox. So it kind of pissed

947
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: me off when this other guy would be calling him

948
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: and telling him, Hey, I want you to edit this

949
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: like this, And I had to tell him, like, dude,

950
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: don't contradict my stuff with my employe. This guy works

951
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: with me. He's not your employe. You are just to

952
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: work for hire yourself. So I don't even know why

953
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: you're going through all that. You're not to produce for

954
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: this show. So again, and I kept a professional. This

955
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 1: dude just kept a bunch of stuff when he started

956
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: being late all the time. This is when Raised went

957
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: to jail and starting to piss James off too. Right,

958
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 1: So Covid comes up. Clovid comes around. The whole world

959
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: is in a panic. I'm pretty sure you all remember that.

960
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: I remember really fast. Yes, I'm scared to death because

961
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: I gotta ask mom and I don't know, man, some

962
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: ship in the air. We might fun around and go

963
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: outside and pass out. We don't know what's going on.

964
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: Remember I dropped something on the ground at the grocery

965
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: store and I wouldn't even pick it up because I said, man,

966
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: it's contaminated. Right, So do you remember that? It was

967
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: like two years of straight man. It was bullshit and

968
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: just it's almost like you in house the rest. You

969
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: don't want to go, no where. You're scared to death,

970
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: and your kids don't give a funk. That's what makes

971
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: it even more scary because they're trying out, they refusing

972
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: to weard mask and all that ship. Well, it's not

973
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: gonna matter, you know. And I'm looking at my daughter like,

974
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: if you don't put that damn mask on, you have

975
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 1: to sleep in the garage. So we get all scared, right,

976
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry. That is the funniest thing I heard

977
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: a week. So at that point we got an interview

978
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,439
Speaker 1: of Warringe. He coming up Warreng she is my guy.

979
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: So I text him, I say, hey, this is the

980
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: zoom Wing. We have interview with Warrangey. He just don't

981
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 1: respond back. You know me, I can give a fine,

982
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: like I'm just tired of just do what I'm moving.

983
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 1: You don't respond back. But James is kind of panicking

984
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: because he's like, I can't do the show by myself.

985
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: Well en up, and I'm like, dude, shut up, I

986
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: got you. He calls to dude like a hundred times. Dude,

987
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: don't respond. I'm like, dude, stop calling him. If he

988
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: want to be here, he'd be here if he don't.

989
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: Let him go in about his business. So that warrangey

990
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: episode winds up turning the two episodes three episodes. We

991
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: wound up doing all of episodes just me and him

992
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: after that, right, and I never addressed the elephant in

993
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: the room with him being done, I'm thinking, Bregg, you

994
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: could be back home in a year. As soon as

995
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: they come back. It's cracking. And by this time, James

996
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: is getting a lot more season than what he's doing.

997
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: He actually ran a few episodes by itself and they

998
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: turned out really well. So at this point we just

999
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: keep on moving. Right then people start calling us. I

1000
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: started getting all kinds of different costs of people's research department,

1001
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: like Spotify hit us up and say, hey, what's going

1002
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: on with this show? Won't you won't can you confirm

1003
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: your analytics? Because contrary to what people know, these companies

1004
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: have ways to find out what your numbers are. It's

1005
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: just the best case, though they don't know for sure that.

1006
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: So they asked you to see your analytics and sport

1007
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: making you sitting us your analytics. Sure, so they offered

1008
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: us something, but it wasn't really hitting on what I

1009
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: was interested in because I knew for always want to

1010
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: own my own content. Unless you've give me a bag

1011
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: of money. No, this is still mine, and you know

1012
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: what you got is yours, and it's just still mind.

1013
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: But unless you're giving me a couple of million dollars,

1014
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: why would I just give you my intellectual property? So

1015
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 1: we get these people calls and they got a company

1016
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: Benchtown that hits us. Again. It was another deal that

1017
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: was cool. All these companies are cool, but it was

1018
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: just not nothing to my liking. And but I got

1019
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: to explain the Exames because he wondered why why we

1020
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 1: aren't taking this money from these people, And I'm like, dude,

1021
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: it's not a good deal. You can want to be

1022
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: mad at me in a year or so if we

1023
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: do take this deal. Right, So then one day I'm

1024
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: going in the Kaiser, right, and you know this is

1025
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: steel a pandemic. We massed up, we outside. My phone

1026
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: rings a couple of times from this weird number, and

1027
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: I ignored the first time because you know, like your

1028
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: phone said scam on there and started doing a little

1029
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: scam thing and knowing the call. Then I finally answered

1030
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: like like like kind of mad, like hello Peace King.

1031
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, who is this is? Charlotte Mane? I hang

1032
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: up like like you know, like how to hell you

1033
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: get the Charlotte Maine calling me? You know what I mean?

1034
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: So I didn't play some mind at him. And Glasses

1035
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: was friends like Glasses and known Charlotte Mayne since he

1036
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: was just coming to business going on a little small

1037
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: promo tourists. He knew Charlotte Mayne before Charlotte Mayne was yeah,

1038
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was him. So I finally answered.

1039
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, man, you know I'm starting this network.

1040
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: If I got your I'm from Glasses and I really

1041
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: like YO show. And so I was like, damn, this

1042
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: is dope. That's Charlotte Magne calling the motherfucker. You know

1043
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: what I'm like, I'm kind of feeling myself. I'm like, man,

1044
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: the people calling me, I'm answering, I gotta call you back.

1045
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: I'm on the phone with Charlotte Magne just let him know,

1046
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So we're kicking it right,

1047
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: we have to figure out what we go do not

1048
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: tell I don't even tell James Jackson. I don't tell

1049
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: him nothing unless it's going down, because then you've got

1050
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: somebody bugging the hell out of you know, what's going on? This?

1051
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: What's going on? Right? So we get that. Then we

1052
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: set up a series of calls. Right then, me and

1053
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: Charlotte Maine talking one day and he asked me how

1054
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 1: much money y'all want. I'm like, damn, let me get

1055
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: back to you, bro. Then let me figure you know,

1056
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: let me figure out. So then we get a call

1057
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: on the phone. I just liked the vibe everybody up there,

1058
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: see Dolly, and then wasn't there yet. Dolly hadn't came

1059
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: on board yet. She wasn't there yet. And then I

1060
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: called the wonder Woman, Wonder the wonder women, you know,

1061
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 1: Dolly high Cool and all of them, Chanel. They weren't

1062
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: there yet. But I just felt like the genuineness of

1063
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: the whole network. It wasn't even something much about the money.

1064
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: It was about somebody that's gonna stand up on the

1065
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: table for you when somebody possibly talking about releasing you

1066
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: or something like that. They're the type people that's gonna

1067
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: stand from the table for you, you know. So I

1068
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: felt that was important. So we wound up doing a

1069
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: deal with them, and we had to be real quiet

1070
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: about it. And the hardest thing for me was keeping

1071
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: James kind of like because he don't know how corporations work.

1072
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: When he did the deal with me, I was able

1073
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: to get the paperwork to them even with us now

1074
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: as slow as hell because we got attorneys and everything involved. Now,

1075
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: so I hit my attorney and I want to get

1076
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: a deal. Sometimes I have that like, dude, I want

1077
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: to ask you for the because it ain't a boiler plate.

1078
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: It's not just like a template on the deal. You

1079
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: gotta ask you throw that up from word one, right.

1080
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: So we're waiting on the paper and James like, man,

1081
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 1: it's these people bullshit. Man, I've been two week. US said, dude,

1082
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: you gotta chill, man like, you gotta really chill, like

1083
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna do this ship. You gotta relax. Like.

1084
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: So we wound up getting the deal done, and I

1085
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: tell you, it's been one of the biggest joys I

1086
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: had because you very rarely have those situations to where

1087
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 1: you like everybody you work like. Dolly is cool to see.

1088
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: I love Dolly, always call the President. I've known Dolly

1089
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 1: for over ten years, I think, and I've seen her blossom.

1090
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: We both worked with Nick Cannon for a long time,

1091
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: and so I've seen her blossom and surpassed I think

1092
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 1: anything anybody could ever imagine. And even when we talked,

1093
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: like her level of acumen, just like sometimes I'll be

1094
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: talking to her and she'll you know, it's like I

1095
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: felt like for a long time it was the opposite,

1096
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 1: like she kind of looked up to me, and now

1097
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: I switched and it's for me. It's a beautiful thing.

1098
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: And sometimes she'd be like, you know, I still look

1099
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm seeing me like, girl, please don't hump ump, don't

1100
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: trying to make me feel good right now. In the

1101
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: whole crew over there is the bomb. Yeah, they're they're

1102
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: really good people. And so I said, as you know, what,

1103
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna be in the business relationship with somebody,

1104
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to be that way too, where we all

1105
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: honest each other. And it's like if they called me

1106
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: tomorrow and say, hey, we're not messing with y'all show

1107
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: no more. It wouldn't be no beef. It wouldn't be

1108
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 1: right because they just all those people are good people.

1109
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: They're not going to ever do nothing like underhanded. It's like,

1110
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 1: I don't even think that way with them. I don't

1111
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 1: even have to worry about it, because first of all,

1112
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: it's making corporation. You don't get no bigger than our

1113
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: Heart media. And I like the fact that Black Effect

1114
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: feels its own separate entity. So when people ask me,

1115
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 1: I'll say, yeah, they go through our heart, but I'm

1116
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: signed the Black Effect. I'm signed. You know, this is

1117
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: what we say. I will say this thought. Oh when

1118
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: we were at the Heart, I think I heart had

1119
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 1: that that event. I heard people were also pretty oh yeah,

1120
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 1: the Black Effect really great. So it's I just think

1121
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: the thing about the Black Effect, which, by the way,

1122
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: I remember that transition where like I heard that Charlottagne

1123
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: wanted eating wall Broke, which I was like, Jesus, you're

1124
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 1: you're you know, like, oh my gosh, what a miracle.

1125
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: But I remember that period where like from Charlottagne saying

1126
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: he wants eating well Broke too, the period where the

1127
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: paperwork actually came it was like, like, you know, I

1128
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: remember that period of like waiting and I was like

1129
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: waiting on the baby. Because you're like waiting, it's like

1130
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: and you don't you don't want to be eager either.

1131
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: You can't call and be like hey, you just gotta

1132
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: be chilled. You gotta be like Okay. That's how it

1133
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: was because you gotta remember at the time on him

1134
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: as other people still calling. So I have the pressure

1135
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: like even now when you're waiting on those renews. And

1136
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: that's why they tell like, do you kind of need

1137
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: to know because this people calling, these people with a

1138
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: lot of money and they I'm trying to keep them,

1139
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I'm like, yeah, I need

1140
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: to know what we do. But you know what I mean.

1141
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: And she may say, oh, norm we found you know,

1142
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: I thought we was. You know, I need to know

1143
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: on paper kind of because it's still it was a

1144
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: business at the end of the day, and I know

1145
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: we're about to go through renewal. So I'm like sweat

1146
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: and bullets and the girls there are so nice, They're

1147
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: just like holy and I'm like, well, I kind of

1148
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: need to know to you know, with the next step,

1149
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: especially when you have interview shows because you have to

1150
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: take so many in advances to make sure. And that's

1151
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: the big thing. And we're going down. I can't say

1152
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: too much about it, but we're going through a massive

1153
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: transition on the gainst the chronicles to where we are

1154
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: getting more focused on crime, but not just not just

1155
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: dealing with the l A stuff. You know, we're going

1156
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: to dealing more with the vice lords. You know what

1157
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: the Vice Lords had going on, you know, Larry Hoover's case,

1158
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: even some of the um like the Black Prison Games,

1159
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: like the Black Guerrilla Family and the Arian Nation, the

1160
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: Arian Brotherhood. We're going to go and do a really

1161
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: journalistic deep dive to these people, these organizations, right, So

1162
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: it's like we need to know what's going on, and

1163
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: that's the part of the business, but with digital soapbox.

1164
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: But wound up happening to me was we have so

1165
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: many great people from Young Mouth, you know, from the

1166
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: Bay Area, from the Group to Looney's um, Crazy bone

1167
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: on walk through our doors. Before you know, math Offer,

1168
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: he was with us at first, and even though and

1169
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: I appreciate math Offer, that was one of those situations

1170
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: and where it never was no beat for nothing like

1171
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: that he just didn't know what enough about the business

1172
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: to his conference. He kind of told me, big bro,

1173
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: let me go and do my thing four minutes so

1174
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: I can figure this out. And it was cool. I

1175
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: don't hold people of paperwork. It was just, you know,

1176
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: it was cool. I didn't have no bunch of money

1177
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: out there with him, so it was like, you know what, man,

1178
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: we shook hands and he wanted to buy his business,

1179
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: and you see he's flourishing. Now. You know, we got

1180
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: some great people on network. And we went from this

1181
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: transition sort of like you know, I told you we

1182
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: had the camera guy coming in that one camera got

1183
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: turned the two guys that you're done with them. Next thing,

1184
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: you know, you've got three guys. Then you've got four guys.

1185
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: Now you got a building that you're dealing with. And

1186
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: it kind of turned to a media company because we

1187
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: started putting different stuff together, different types of content together,

1188
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: to where now we're launching your own TV network, you know,

1189
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: rap television. We're kind of bringing back the old b

1190
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: et basement flavor to where we're playing it just nothing

1191
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: but hip hop music videos. But we're also showing content,

1192
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: urban content, the best urban content, and which we want

1193
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: to bring you know, you know, and that's the thing, um,

1194
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, because streaming has just went like this. It

1195
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: went from just being I remember when I first got Roku,

1196
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: I was invested by one. Then I saw this thick

1197
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: and I got I was just talking about my cable

1198
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: be obviously cable three dollars a month, we playing for

1199
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: some ship. They don't even showing little on this. So

1200
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: I got that Roku stick. Ever since then, I've been

1201
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: off a cable man. So, UM, I just want to

1202
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: say thank you so much for coming to our show. Um,

1203
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: what advice would you give to anybody that's striving to

1204
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: be not just the music business or the publishing business,

1205
01:00:55,720 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: but the podcast business coming from I was the first

1206
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: thing I would say is to manage your expectations. I

1207
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: think people in general here so much about these deals

1208
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: that are often inflated. And you know that's no problem.

1209
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: All these brothers I are making as much money as

1210
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 1: they can. But a lot of the more over inflated.

1211
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: You know, they hear about people getting five, ten million dollars,

1212
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars like Joe Rogan also had astronomical numbers

1213
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: to back it up. I think this dude was doing

1214
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: something like a million an episode on YouTube. Same with

1215
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: his podcast, so he's deserving that type of money. But

1216
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: Joe has also been doing this since the beginning a podcast.

1217
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: It took a while. I would tell people just to

1218
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: persevere and don't think about the money, just to keep

1219
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: their stuff going consistent, being be consistent what you're doing.

1220
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you ain't making a dyme matter.

1221
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: Don't get into it for money, because that's the same

1222
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: thing with music. Any artists that every approached me like

1223
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get a bag, I'm like, I ain't

1224
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: the one for you. Any One tells me they're passionate

1225
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: about their music and want to get better their craft.

1226
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: I'm with that because if you're the more proficient you're

1227
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: becoming something, money is going to come evetiently. I don't

1228
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: care if you are. If you are, do to just

1229
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: paint pictures of cartoons in your room all day. Eventually

1230
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: them cartoons will be so dope where people gonna be

1231
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: offering your money for them cartoons. Yeah, So focus on

1232
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,439
Speaker 1: being great, don't focus on gett into the bagage y'all.

1233
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: Young people would say, focus on being great with what

1234
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: it is you're doing and enjoying it and enjoying its Yeah,

1235
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: because I don't care how much money you know, Like

1236
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: I said, I think with that publishing company, I was

1237
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: making three hundred thousand dollars a year on the salary

1238
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: man when they have money, but I was miserable. Yeah,

1239
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't happy doing it. So I don't care how

1240
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: much money you've got. Money ain't gonna make you happy. No, no,

1241
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: And it's it's the forever ending chase. Like I'll see

1242
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: people and still be a person living on forty thousand

1243
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: and then there's another person living on two hundred thousand.

1244
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, it's like the

1245
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: more money you make your the more overhead. It just

1246
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: never stops. So just finding what kind of provides you

1247
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: piece and not being a slave to the system. And

1248
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: then's the thing. Remember this, and this is from my

1249
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: brothers out there, guerrillas only below in the ejumple. They

1250
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: don't belong in the boardroom. You're going to have disagreements.

1251
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can't take stuff personal. So I would tell

1252
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: people think more with their brain and not with emotions.

1253
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: Everything is not a personal attack. So I see a

1254
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: lot of people play themselves like that like they may

1255
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: be having a problem with the label and think the

1256
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: labels all the time trying to cheat you. Sometimes it's

1257
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: just it's just what it is. You know, you want

1258
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: to get an understanding with them, But everything about cussing

1259
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: people out, you always want to maintain your professionalism. Yeah,

1260
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: I think as a woman, that is probably going to

1261
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: be harder advice to take. Well, y'all go through a

1262
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: lot more too. Yeah, y'all go through a lot more too.

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Speaker 1: It's a difference. And you know, I'm the six ft four,

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Speaker 1: big black dudes, so people people, people are going to

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Speaker 1: handle me a certain way versius you. They may feel

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Speaker 1: like they can handle you in a certain way. And

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Speaker 1: I do know this personally that some of the strongest

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Speaker 1: people I know are women, Like my mom is a

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Speaker 1: strong woman, and I've seen it sometimes in the home.

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Speaker 1: I always laughed because when I'm dealing with sometimes with

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Speaker 1: some of our female holes, they're always professional, but they'll

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Speaker 1: let you know, Hey, I'm here and I'm strong when

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Speaker 1: I'm willing to fight for as me laughing, I see,

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Speaker 1: I got your system. You ain't gonna have no problems

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Speaker 1: out of me, but they will let you know. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm so thankful that you took the time to come

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Speaker 1: on my show and took it took a couple of

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Speaker 1: months to get it together, and you bless me with

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite dishes on the show, which is

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Speaker 1: very hard to say. I think I have like three

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Speaker 1: favorites on the show. This is in my top three.

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Speaker 1: YEA have to send I'm gonna have to send Prayer

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Speaker 1: as a copy of this song and you know, and

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Speaker 1: you guys can get this recipe in the Eating wall

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Speaker 1: Bro cookbook when it does come out, so you can

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Speaker 1: make it at home. And it took us about less

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Speaker 1: than fifteen minutes. In minutes, and we had the best

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Speaker 1: nozos for a couple of bucks literally probably max twenty

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Speaker 1: total and that's because we had turkey meats or yeah,

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Speaker 1: or you could just eat nachos without the meat and

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Speaker 1: it could really be pennies on the dollar. And I

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Speaker 1: definitely would advise the LV to cheese over the nacho.

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Speaker 1: It hits way different. Um, thank you again for coming.

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Speaker 1: And if you guys want to check out Gangster Chronicles,

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Speaker 1: you can check it out wherever you get your podcasts. Um.

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Speaker 1: We are both on the Black Effects, so you can

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Speaker 1: also check out That network also's out for more eating

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Speaker 1: While broke from I Heeart Radio and The Black Effect,

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Speaker 1: visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever

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Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.