WEBVTT - The Murder of Mabel Greenwood

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shondaland Audio in partnership

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<v Speaker 1>with iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the story of the unsolved death of Mabel Greenwood.

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<v Speaker 2>Who killed her and why is still unknown. One hundred

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<v Speaker 2>years later, the prime suspect in the case, Harold Greenwood,

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<v Speaker 2>her husband of more than twenty years, was arrested on

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<v Speaker 2>June seventeenth, nineteen twenty, accused of fatally poisoning her. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>look at what happened, the messy trial and the one

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<v Speaker 2>detail that got Harold acquitted. Welcome to Criminalia. I'm Maria

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<v Speaker 2>Tremarky and.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Holly Frye. Let's get to know the Greenwoods first.

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<v Speaker 1>Harold Greenwood was born on New Year's Day of eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy four to William Greenwood, a landed gentleman, and his

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<v Speaker 1>wife Isabella, at Ingleton in Yorkshire, England. Mabel Bowater was

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<v Speaker 1>born on September third, eighteen seventy one, to William and

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<v Speaker 1>al Liza Bowater of the Prosperous Bowater Multinational paper milling Company.

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<v Speaker 1>In June of eighteen ninety six, Harold and Mabel married,

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<v Speaker 1>and they went on to have four children, Edith, Irene,

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<v Speaker 1>Isabel Mabel, Eileen Norman Ivor Vansittart Bowater and John Kenneth.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time of our story, Edith known as Irene,

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<v Speaker 1>was the only child living at home.

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<v Speaker 2>Harold was a Yorkshire solicitor, but the family was really

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<v Speaker 2>supported by Mabel's independent income. She was a paper mill heiress.

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<v Speaker 2>Harold bought himself into a partnership in Clan Leslie in

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<v Speaker 2>southwestern Wales, where the family lived before moving into Rumsey

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<v Speaker 2>House in Kidwelly in eighteen ninety eight. It was here

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<v Speaker 2>where Harold set up his own practice. Other lawyers didn't

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<v Speaker 2>care much for Harold because his clientele primarily included quote,

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<v Speaker 2>a less desirable element. It was true he primarily got

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<v Speaker 2>his work work by undercutting local solicitors and acting for

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<v Speaker 2>money lenders. The people in town generally thought poorly of

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<v Speaker 2>Harold as well, because he was a married man with

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<v Speaker 2>an eye for younger women Mabel. Though people liked Mabel.

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<v Speaker 2>She was held in high esteem by friends and neighbors.

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<v Speaker 2>Always took part in local social gatherings and regularly attended

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<v Speaker 2>Saint Mary's Church services on Sundays. She was friendly and

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<v Speaker 2>she was agreeable.

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<v Speaker 1>Mabel was long considered to be a bit of a hypochondriac,

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<v Speaker 1>and she had endured a series of fainting spells with

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<v Speaker 1>no discernible cause. It was generally considered that a weak

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<v Speaker 1>heart was the reason for her ills. She had been

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<v Speaker 1>the patient of doctor Thomas Roberts Griffiths for more than

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<v Speaker 1>a decade, and on more than one occasion complained to

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<v Speaker 1>him of pains in her chest and in her abdomen.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Griffiths advised it was just quote the change of

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<v Speaker 1>life and sent her home with medication. During the first

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<v Speaker 1>six months of nineteen nineteen, Mabel suffered a marked deterioration

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<v Speaker 1>in her health, but no one could pinpoint why.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about Mabel's health and her activities in the

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<v Speaker 2>days leading up to her death, specifically between June twelfth

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<v Speaker 2>and June sixteenth. Those are the days of her rapid decline.

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<v Speaker 2>On June twelfth, which was a Thursday, she attended a

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<v Speaker 2>meeting of the antiquarians in the town Hall, where it

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<v Speaker 2>was observed by others that she looked quite sickly. When

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<v Speaker 2>she saw her dressmaker the next day, she mentioned she

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<v Speaker 2>was looking forward to seeing her sister, Edith Bowater. Her

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<v Speaker 2>dressmaker later stated she worried about Mabel's health and hoped

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<v Speaker 2>she'd have the energy for that visit.

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<v Speaker 1>That Saturday, Mabel called on Martha Morris, formerly a nanny

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<v Speaker 1>to the Greenwood's daughter Irene, and she returned without complaint,

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<v Speaker 1>but add Martha to the list of people who noticed

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<v Speaker 1>that Mabel looked quite ill. On her way home from

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<v Speaker 1>their visit, Mabel bought a bottle of wine to be

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<v Speaker 1>served at the family's Sunday lunch. That afternoon, she attended

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<v Speaker 1>a tennis match at Ferryside, just about five miles away,

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<v Speaker 1>sharing a carriage with the Reverend Ambrose joan vicar of Kidwillie.

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<v Speaker 1>They later returned together by the same route. Mostly on

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<v Speaker 1>the return trip, Mabel met Irene at Kidwelly station and

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<v Speaker 1>the two walked about a half mile home together. Upon

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<v Speaker 1>returning home, Mabel reported that she had had a fine time,

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<v Speaker 1>but she was completely exhausted. She went to bed early.

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<v Speaker 2>The next day. None of the Greenwoods were seen at

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<v Speaker 2>church service. Irene read a novel in the garden while

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<v Speaker 2>her father and his friend tinkered with the family car.

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<v Speaker 2>Irene was to go out for a driving lesson that afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>Mabel caught up on her correspondents. Their cook observed while

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<v Speaker 2>preparing Sunday lunch that quote, Missus Greenwood looked drawn and tired.

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<v Speaker 2>The family sat down to their usual Sunday roast beef

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<v Speaker 2>lunch with goose berry tart. Harold uncorked the bottle of wine,

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<v Speaker 2>but according to one of their domestic help Hannah Williams,

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<v Speaker 2>he was in the pantry for nearly half an hour

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<v Speaker 2>while doing so, a detail she later told the police

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<v Speaker 2>during their investigation of Mabel's death. But let's not get

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<v Speaker 2>ahead of ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>After lunch, Mabel began to feel ill, and she started

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<v Speaker 1>to suffer from diarrhea, and she blamed the tart, of

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<v Speaker 1>which she said, quote, it must be the gooseberry tart.

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<v Speaker 1>It always disagrees with me. Now there is truth to

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<v Speaker 1>gooseberry's potentially leaving you feeling unpleasant. Gooseberry bushes contain the

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<v Speaker 1>toxin hydrogen cyanide, and eating unripe berries can be dangerous,

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<v Speaker 1>but ripe berries are perfectly safe. A few hours later,

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<v Speaker 1>she began having quote, suffocating pains throughout her body. Her

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<v Speaker 1>husband gave her brandy, but it caused her to vomit violently,

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<v Speaker 1>so the family's doctor, doctor Griffiths, was called the doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>who happened to just live across the street, prescribed her

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<v Speaker 1>brandy and soda, and then he and Harold left Mabel

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<v Speaker 1>to play several games of clock golf.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't until early evening that doctor Griffith checked on

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<v Speaker 2>his patient, who was definitely not better, and he sent

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<v Speaker 2>over a bottle of bismuth to help relieve her gastrointestinal symptoms. It,

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<v Speaker 2>like the brandy and soda, had no positive effect. Mabel's

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<v Speaker 2>condition continued to worsen into the night. A friend, miss Phillips,

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<v Speaker 2>called on her at about eight o'clock that Sunday night,

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<v Speaker 2>and upon seeing her, immediately called for the district nurse,

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Jones to pay a visit. Nurse Jones lived close

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<v Speaker 2>to the Greenwood's home, but despite that, by the time

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<v Speaker 2>she arrived, Mabel had collapsed and had been moved to

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<v Speaker 2>her bed. The nurse assumed incorrectly that the medicine on

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<v Speaker 2>Mabel's nightstand was that which was previously given to her

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<v Speaker 2>by doctor Griffin for her heart condition, and she gave

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<v Speaker 2>Mabel another dose. What that medication was, we aren't sure.

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<v Speaker 2>We do know that it didn't help. Later, this medication

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<v Speaker 2>for the alleged heart condition mysteriously disappeared, along with all

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<v Speaker 2>the bottles which had contained prescriptions by the doctor and

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<v Speaker 2>all the patent medicines Mabel had ordered for herself.

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<v Speaker 1>Nurse Jones returned later that night to check on Mabel's condition.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Griffiths looked in on her once before midnight, when

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<v Speaker 1>her gastro intestinal pain and diarrhea became uncontrollable. The doctor

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<v Speaker 1>failed to examine her or her bowel movements. He was

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<v Speaker 1>not thorough, and that lack of detail would be called

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<v Speaker 1>into question when he testified about her death. Not long

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<v Speaker 1>after midnight. Mabel asked if she was dying, and she

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<v Speaker 1>told the nurse quote, if I don't recover, Nurse Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like my sister to look after the children and

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<v Speaker 1>bring them up. Irene still needs mothering.

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<v Speaker 2>Seeing her mother in dire straits, Irene in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the night pleaded with her father to call again

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<v Speaker 2>for the doctor. He did, but he curiously had no

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<v Speaker 2>urgency on his way across the street, instead chatting with

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<v Speaker 2>Mary Griffiths, the doctor's sister and a woman he often

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<v Speaker 2>flirted with. An hour later, he returned home alone, and

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<v Speaker 2>Irene and Nurse Jones watched as he was unable to

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<v Speaker 2>stifle a yawn while they told him about Mabel's steep decline.

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<v Speaker 2>While his wife was dying, Harold went to bed, an

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<v Speaker 2>act that would later become evidence against him in court.

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<v Speaker 2>He was woken by the nurse, who was apoplectic at

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<v Speaker 2>his behavior and insisted, quote, you must fetch doctor Griffiths

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<v Speaker 2>without delay. This may be a crisis.

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<v Speaker 1>Harold went out again, but returned again without the doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>whom he had found asleep and did not want to wake.

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<v Speaker 1>Not having any more of this non sense, and with

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<v Speaker 1>a patient's health rapidly declining, Nurse Jones ran across the

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<v Speaker 1>street herself to rouse the doctor, who gave his patient

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<v Speaker 1>morphine pills. But Mabel, during all of this chaos, had

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<v Speaker 1>become violently ill. She then lapsed into a coma and

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<v Speaker 1>passed away at three point thirty in the morning of Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>June sixteenth. Doctor Griffith signed her death certificate, stating her

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<v Speaker 1>cause of death was valvular disease of the heart. She

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<v Speaker 1>was interred on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>We are going to take a break for a word

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<v Speaker 2>motives and arsenic.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Criminalia. The local community was convinced Harold

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<v Speaker 1>was going guilty of murdering his wife, and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>all gossip. Let's talk about how their outrage helped get

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<v Speaker 1>some answers about Mabel's death.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a blink of an eye moment after his

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<v Speaker 2>wife's burial that Harold proposed marriage to another woman, the

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<v Speaker 2>doctor's sister Mary. When she refused him, he promptly proposed

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<v Speaker 2>to yet another woman, Gladys Jones. He had known Gladys

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<v Speaker 2>since her childhood, having been friendly with her father, William,

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<v Speaker 2>a businessman for decades. Harold and Gladys did marry just

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<v Speaker 2>months after Harold became widowed, but there were no congratulations

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<v Speaker 2>to the couple. Mabel had been active in the community

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<v Speaker 2>and she'd been popular, so when Harold remarried as quickly

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<v Speaker 2>as he did after her death, many people were outraged.

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<v Speaker 2>People were expecting him to follow a reasonable length of

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<v Speaker 2>time to grieve his wife's death, and they didn't think

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<v Speaker 2>three months was sufficient. By October, about four months after

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<v Speaker 2>Mabel's death, the local rumor mill was so hot that

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<v Speaker 2>the police decided they needed to do something. By Christmas,

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<v Speaker 2>gossip about the Greenwoods and especially how Mabel may have

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<v Speaker 2>died had reached a fever pitch. Though authorities considered her

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<v Speaker 2>death to be of natural causes, the public disagreed. They

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<v Speaker 2>pointed the finger at her husband. The coroner agreed to

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<v Speaker 2>an inquest, hoping to clear up the growing mystery and

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<v Speaker 2>quell the anger. When Harold was informed there would be

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<v Speaker 2>an examination of his wife's body, he replied, quote, just

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<v Speaker 2>the very thing. I am quite agreeable.

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<v Speaker 1>Forensics at this time were not what we know them

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<v Speaker 1>as today, but there was a test that was highly

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<v Speaker 1>sensitive to even the tiniest amounts of arsenic and human tissue.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the Marsh test. This method was discovered and

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<v Speaker 1>created by British chemist James M. Mars in eighteen thirty six,

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<v Speaker 1>and while it's best known because it worked, it's also

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<v Speaker 1>known as the first use of toxicology in a jury

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<v Speaker 1>trial that happened years before this case, though in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 2>Arsenic has a history back to ancient times as a

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<v Speaker 2>potent poison, but it wasn't always used in that capacity.

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<v Speaker 2>Though it's always been toxic, nineteenth century women applied arsenic

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<v Speaker 2>powder to whiten their faces, and it became a popular

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<v Speaker 2>ingredient in cosmetics. It was thought that arsenic consumption would

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<v Speaker 2>give quote beauty and freshness to the skin, and in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen nineteen, doctor Campbell's safe arsenic wafers promised to clear

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<v Speaker 2>up acne and rashes, and it flew off store shelves.

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<v Speaker 1>Arsenic was also used as a pharmaceutical agent as a

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<v Speaker 1>remedy for various diseases, including asthma, korea, ezema, psoriasis, rheumatism, syphilis, tiburgulosis,

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<v Speaker 1>and even ulcers. It was also a popular ingredient in pesticides.

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<v Speaker 1>In its pure form, arsenic is a silvery gray color,

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<v Speaker 1>but when compounded with copper salts, it creates some beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>green colors, and because of that, it was commonly used

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<v Speaker 1>in fabrics and other home goods. It was deadly in

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<v Speaker 1>all forms, but it was also kind of everywhere in

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<v Speaker 1>small amounts. It was popular as a poison because it

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<v Speaker 1>was also an odorless and tasteless powder that dissolved easily

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<v Speaker 1>in hot liquids and foods. Early symptoms mimic food poisoning.

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<v Speaker 1>Depending on the dosage, arsenic might produce severe diarrhea and vomiting,

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<v Speaker 1>or more serious symptoms including paralysis and death. About a

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<v Speaker 1>month before his wife's death, Harold had purchased Cooper's Weedicide,

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<v Speaker 1>a weed killer containing arsenic that in itself, though, isn't

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<v Speaker 1>a clue that he was the murderer, because anyone could

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<v Speaker 1>buy it or items in which it was an ingredient,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of people did with no malicious intent

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<v Speaker 1>for its use. The only requirement was you did have

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<v Speaker 1>to sign the poisons register, basically a record of purchases,

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<v Speaker 1>or you could send someone else to buy it for

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<v Speaker 1>you if you wanted to keep your name out of

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<v Speaker 1>the books.

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<v Speaker 2>Mabel's body was exhumed for testing, and doctor Webster, a

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<v Speaker 2>home office analyst, was called in. He calculated by the

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<v Speaker 2>marsh test that her remains contained point two five to

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<v Speaker 2>point five grain of arsenic, which equals sixteen to thirty

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<v Speaker 2>two milligrams. A dose less than an eighth of a

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<v Speaker 2>teaspoon can be fatal. The coroner, JW. Nicholas, noted her

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<v Speaker 2>body showed no evidence of heart disease. He also noted

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<v Speaker 2>he found no traces of morphia, nor did he find

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<v Speaker 2>cyanide from unripe gooseberries. Accordingly, after seeing the results of

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<v Speaker 2>the examination of the body, an inquest was held on

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<v Speaker 2>in June sixteenth, nineteen twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Harold did not attend the inquest. Mister Ludform, who represented him,

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<v Speaker 1>kick things off not with anything medically oriented, but with

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<v Speaker 1>a gossip forward statement. He accused the Vicar of being

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<v Speaker 1>a top gossip who had and continued to malign his client,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a grieving widower. The reverend had enjoyed Mabel's company.

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<v Speaker 1>That was true, but when Harold accidental or otherwise failed

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<v Speaker 1>to send the formal death certificate to the Vicar's office,

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<v Speaker 1>it was in a mission that led the reverend to

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<v Speaker 1>voice his personal opinions and suspicion in regard to Harold's

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<v Speaker 1>role in Mabel's death. A similar finger pointing tactic was

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<v Speaker 1>used against Miss Phillips, a woman who tried to save

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<v Speaker 1>Mabel's life on the night of her death, calling her

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<v Speaker 1>quote a treacherous busybody and quote the kidwelly postman because

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<v Speaker 1>of how fast she was a disseminating gossip.

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<v Speaker 2>But it wasn't the gossip. It was the medical results,

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<v Speaker 2>the results of the marsh test, and the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>Harold had purchased weedkillers shortly before Mabel's death that led

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<v Speaker 2>to the jury's return of a unanimous verdict quote murder

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<v Speaker 2>by arsenical poisoning administered by Harold Greenwood. Harold had one

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<v Speaker 2>comment regarding that verdict and it was quote oh dear.

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<v Speaker 2>He was arrested the next day and charged with the

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<v Speaker 2>murder of his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to take a break here for a word

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<v Speaker 1>from our sponsors, and when we come back, we will

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<v Speaker 1>take a dive into Harold Greenwood's trial.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Criminalia. Harold Greenwood's trial began one year

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<v Speaker 2>and four months after he was accused and arrested of

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<v Speaker 2>fatally poisoning his wife with d arsenic. Let's talk about

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<v Speaker 2>what happened in the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 1>The trial began on November second, nineteen twenty, at Carmarthinissizes

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<v Speaker 1>before Sir Montague Sherman. Lead prosecutor for the crown was

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<v Speaker 1>Sir Edward Marley Sampson, who was a very experienced prosecutor.

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<v Speaker 1>The lead defense counsel, Sir Edward Marshall Hall, was considered

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<v Speaker 1>and probably was Britain's best known defense lawyer. If there

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<v Speaker 1>were celebrity lawyers in nineteen twenty, and surely to some

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<v Speaker 1>degree there were, he was one. This whole event lasted

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<v Speaker 1>seven days.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's easy to forget that Harold himself was

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<v Speaker 2>a solicitor, so if he was going to be looking

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<v Speaker 2>for the best defense lawyer, he probably knew this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He knew. All of the prosecution's case was based on

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<v Speaker 2>this that solicitor Harold Greenwood had murdered his wife for

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<v Speaker 2>her money, and it wasn't really a strong case. It

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<v Speaker 2>was alleged that he had put our snick in a

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<v Speaker 2>bottle of wine from which the victim had drunk several

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<v Speaker 2>hours before she died. The prosecution considered Mabel's wealth to

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<v Speaker 2>be a motive, but what motive Harold had financially was

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<v Speaker 2>much less clear as the evidence was laid out. Another

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<v Speaker 2>possible motive came in testimony by a male acquaintance, who

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<v Speaker 2>stated that Harold did not quote have a single man

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<v Speaker 2>friend and was fond of stirring up mischief and trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>On the other hand, he was exceedingly popular with the

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<v Speaker 2>opposite sex. The prosecution played this up, claiming that there

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<v Speaker 2>had been fighting in the Greenwood home because Harold had

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<v Speaker 2>a wandering eye and wanted to remarry or just live

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<v Speaker 2>as the cad he was while he was a leccher,

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<v Speaker 2>There was no evidence of any such quarrels.

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<v Speaker 1>While local gossip had played a part in the case,

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<v Speaker 1>recalled that's how Mabel's forensic examination even happened in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place, there were salient facts upon which the swirling

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<v Speaker 1>rumors were founded. The defense brought Hannah Williams to the stand,

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<v Speaker 1>the domestic worker in the Greenwood home who testified for

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecution that Mabel was the only one to drink

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<v Speaker 1>the wine at lunch that day. She had also stated

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<v Speaker 1>that Harold had spent thirty minutes in the pantry opening

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<v Speaker 1>that bottle of wine before serving it to Mabel on

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<v Speaker 1>the day she died. She admitted to Hall during cross examination, though,

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<v Speaker 1>that she had been coached by investigators to change her

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<v Speaker 1>story to one that would better implicate Harold. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>her story had changed more than once during the trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Had he really been in the pantry that long? Hall

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<v Speaker 1>turned her into someone not to be trusted. He also

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<v Speaker 1>made her cry on the stand.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the medical testimony. When doctor Webster was called

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<v Speaker 2>to testify about the results of the marsh test, he

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<v Speaker 2>produced a series of glass tubes which he called mirrors,

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<v Speaker 2>which he explained to the cour he'd used to prove

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<v Speaker 2>the presence of arsenic in Mabel Greenwood's body. In Harold's defense,

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<v Speaker 2>Hall threw all sorts of poisoning examples at him, some ludicrous.

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<v Speaker 2>These two examples stood out to us. One maybe the

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<v Speaker 2>weed killer purchased by Harold had seeped into the gooseberries

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<v Speaker 2>that Mabel had eaten the day she died. Or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>two that the arsenic had blown in the wind and

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<v Speaker 2>Mabel unknowingly inhaled it. Doctor Webster didn't play along and

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<v Speaker 2>stuck with the numbers, not the speculation.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there was doctor Griffiths, whose testimony was really just

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<v Speaker 1>a big old miss state at Hall during his cross

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<v Speaker 1>examination of Mabel's longtime doctor, quote, have you the smallest

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<v Speaker 1>doubt whatever that if you, as a medical man, were

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<v Speaker 1>accurate when you said you gave her two half grains

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<v Speaker 1>of morphia after ten o'clock, that she would have been

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<v Speaker 1>dead before four o'clock. Griffis replied, quote, if I had

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<v Speaker 1>given her morphia, as she would but I did not

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<v Speaker 1>give her morphia. But Griffiths had previously testified for the

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<v Speaker 1>prosecution and during the inquest that he had done so.

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<v Speaker 1>During the inquest, he stated he had given his patient morphine,

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<v Speaker 1>but during cross examination he stated he had given her

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<v Speaker 1>opium and bismuth, not morphine. Hall stated to the court

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<v Speaker 1>that either morphine or opium could have killed Mabel, and

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<v Speaker 1>insinuated that doctor Griffiths hadn't properly attended to his patient.

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<v Speaker 1>Stated Hall to the doctor, quote, if missus Greenwood took

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<v Speaker 1>under doctor's orders a drug in a dangerous quantity, and

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<v Speaker 1>soon afterwards sank into a state of coma, the natural

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<v Speaker 1>result of such a dose of morphia, from which she

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<v Speaker 1>never recovered, it would be difficult to attribute her death

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<v Speaker 1>to her husband. Whether arsenic was found in her body

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<v Speaker 1>months after her death or not. Griffiths replied simply, quote yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul also noted that doctor Griffiths may have made another

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<v Speaker 1>deadly error. Quote if by some unfortunate mistake, you, in

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<v Speaker 1>the anxiety and hurry gave her four tea spoonfuls of

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<v Speaker 1>Fowler's solution, you would have got all the arsenic that

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<v Speaker 1>was found or more, and there would be practically no

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<v Speaker 1>distinction in the mixture. Griffiths replied, quote no, they resemble

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<v Speaker 1>each other. Hearing this admission of a possible medical mistake,

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<v Speaker 1>the judge surmised that if true, it could amount to

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<v Speaker 1>an accusation of criminal negligence. As you recall from earlier

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<v Speaker 1>in the episode, someone had destroyed the bottles that had

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<v Speaker 1>been on Mabel's bedside table. It had been Griffiths who

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<v Speaker 1>had also destroyed his prescription books, and now he lacked

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that may have saved his contradictory testimony. When the

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<v Speaker 1>defense questioned why he would destroy all those records, the

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<v Speaker 1>doctor replied, quote, I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 2>The defense next called a poison expert, Colonel Toogood, to testify.

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<v Speaker 2>Too Good, who had not been part of the coroner's inquest,

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<v Speaker 2>stated that Mabel had indeed died from morphia poisoning following

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<v Speaker 2>acute gastrointitis caused by eating gooseberry skins. Doctor William Griffiths,

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<v Speaker 2>now note this is a different doctor Griffiths than Mabel's doctor,

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<v Speaker 2>also testified for the defense regarding arsenic poisoning, stating that,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to paraphrase to sum up his statement,

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<v Speaker 2>a quarter of a grain of arsenic in a body

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<v Speaker 2>was not conclusive evidence that it had caused death. He

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<v Speaker 2>backed that up, stating that an adult could handle as

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<v Speaker 2>much as two and a half grains of arsenic in

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<v Speaker 2>their body before any ill effect. It wasn't just the

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<v Speaker 2>testimony of Mabel's doctor that was a mess. The entire

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<v Speaker 2>medical testimony was kind of bonkers when it came to contradiction.

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<v Speaker 1>Today, Harold was called as a witness in his own defense.

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<v Speaker 1>The streets were lined with spectators, his carriage to and

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<v Speaker 1>from court was given a special escort of mounted police,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was subjected to angry demonstrations. On the stand,

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<v Speaker 1>Harold denied any involvement in his wife's death and withstood

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<v Speaker 1>lengthy cross examination from the prosecution. The prosecution's case began

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<v Speaker 1>to fall apart, though, when it was revealed that Mabel's

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<v Speaker 1>inheritance would not pass to her husband upon her death,

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<v Speaker 1>it would all go to the children. Paul asked Harold,

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<v Speaker 1>quote had you anything to do with your wife's death,

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<v Speaker 1>and he replied, quote, nothing whatever. Paul continued, quote after

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<v Speaker 1>your wife's death, what happened to her private means? Harold replied, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>they went to her children. It was true that Harold's

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<v Speaker 1>practice wasn't doing well, and that he had lost a

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<v Speaker 1>good deal of his wife's money trying to save it.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was also true that Mabel had been the

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<v Speaker 1>life tenant of her father's estate, which means she was

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<v Speaker 1>the property owner for life, and following her death, the

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<v Speaker 1>Bowwater fortune passed in equal shares to the Greenwood children,

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<v Speaker 1>whose trustees controlled it. Harold got nothing from her death,

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<v Speaker 1>and the prosecution's case took a big hit. That had

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<v Speaker 1>been their motive. That Harold didn't financially gain from his

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<v Speaker 1>wife's death, however, quieted down some of the rumors that

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<v Speaker 1>he was guilty of murdering Mabel for her money.

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<v Speaker 2>Some The witness that closed the case, at least as

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<v Speaker 2>far as the judge was concerned, was the Greenwood's eldest daughter, Irene,

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<v Speaker 2>aged twenty two at the time, who testified that at

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<v Speaker 2>that particular Sunday lunch, she had two glasses of the

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<v Speaker 2>wine her father had uncorked the bottle in question from

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<v Speaker 2>the pantry, followed by a third glass that evening, and

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<v Speaker 2>she had no ill effects from it. To this, the

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<v Speaker 2>judge stated, quote, if she also drank from the bottle,

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<v Speaker 2>there is an end of the case. Her testimony essentially

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<v Speaker 2>led to her father's acquittal.

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<v Speaker 1>In his closing remarks, Hall re emphasized that the prosecution

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<v Speaker 1>had no case, and that accusations against Harold had quote

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<v Speaker 1>begun by local gossip, depending on circumstantial details on the

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<v Speaker 1>prompted and uncertain memory of a servant girl, and for

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<v Speaker 1>its scientific justification on the finding in the body of

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<v Speaker 1>the bare minimum quantity of arsenic necessary for a fatal

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<v Speaker 1>dose by means of an elaborate and fallible experiment. He

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<v Speaker 1>ended his speech saying, quote, gentlemen of the jury, I

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<v Speaker 1>demand at your hands the life and liberty of Harold Greenwood.

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<v Speaker 2>During his summary, the judge reminded the jury against any

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<v Speaker 2>show of bias, stating quote, it is your duty to

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<v Speaker 2>constant trait wholly upon the guilt or innocence of the prisoner.

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<v Speaker 2>The jury deliberated for about two and a half hours

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<v Speaker 2>when E. Willis Jones, the jury foreman, and a manufacturing

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<v Speaker 2>chemist by trade, led the eleven other jurors back to

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<v Speaker 2>the courtroom from their deliberations. Their verdict was stated loud

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<v Speaker 2>and clear to the room quote, we are satisfied on

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<v Speaker 2>the evidence of this case that a dangerous joseph arsenic

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<v Speaker 2>was administered to Mabel Greenwood on Sunday, June fifteenth, nineteen nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>But we are not satisfied that this was the immediate

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<v Speaker 2>cause of death. The evidence before us is insufficient and

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<v Speaker 2>does not conclusively satisfy us as to how and by

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<v Speaker 2>whom the arsenic was administered. We therefore return a verdict

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<v Speaker 2>of not guilty.

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<v Speaker 1>That day, November ninth, nineteen twenty Harold was acquitted. After

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<v Speaker 1>the verdict, he told the press quote, I am the

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<v Speaker 1>victim of village gossip, village scandal, and if you know

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<v Speaker 1>Welsh village life, you know what that means. He may

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<v Speaker 1>have been a freeman, but his reputation, which doesn't sound

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<v Speaker 1>like it was all that great to begin with, was

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<v Speaker 1>completely ruined. No longer married to an heiress. To pay

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<v Speaker 1>his legal costs, he sold his story to various newspapers.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sunday Harold, for instance, ran a series shortly after

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<v Speaker 1>the close of his trial, from November fourteenth to December twelfth,

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<v Speaker 1>and people still could not get enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Harold and Gladys Greenwood changed their surname to Pilkington and

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<v Speaker 2>left Wales for Seleek. There, Harold lived uneventfully and died

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<v Speaker 2>of natural causes on January seventeenth, nineteen twenty nine. But

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<v Speaker 2>the circumstance surrounding Mabel's death remains a mystery a century

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<v Speaker 2>after she died. I have theories.

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<v Speaker 1>I think our theory is the same because it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like the doctor messed up real bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I once like, once you start talking about the trial,

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, what is going on here?

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<v Speaker 1>It is a little kooky. Yes, And that's actually kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the focus of the drink for today. So I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted it's There's a lot of stuff that that this

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<v Speaker 1>gave me ruminations about, right. One of them is that

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<v Speaker 1>this becomes a case that very clearly evidences the way

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<v Speaker 1>women could discuss their symptoms and their health problems and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of be ignored. It's like, oh, honey, that's just

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<v Speaker 1>change of life. Are you sure?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you know right my leg is broken? I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not so sure that. And we had one one where

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<v Speaker 2>it was the same time period where you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>doctor examination did not even require lifting.

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<v Speaker 1>The dress, right, because that would be improper.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, this not a good time for female healthcare.

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<v Speaker 1>There really was not. So I wanted to make something

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm not going to say that I understand medically

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<v Speaker 1>what was going on with her, but at least a

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<v Speaker 1>drink that included some ingredients that would address someone who

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<v Speaker 1>was having stomach issues. This also to peek behind the curtain.

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<v Speaker 1>Maria will recognize why I am bringing this up because

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<v Speaker 1>she and I discussed a similar drink recently, because one

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<v Speaker 1>of her friends asked me if I had had it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it does not contain the ingredient you think it does,

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<v Speaker 1>but it contains another one related to it. Because this

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<v Speaker 1>is a variation on a LOSSI so for this one,

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<v Speaker 1>which we are calling better medicine, we are going to

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<v Speaker 1>start with an ounce of vodka. I used the vanilla vodka,

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<v Speaker 1>but you don't have to, and a half ounce of

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<v Speaker 1>crem demnth, a quarter ounce of lime juice, a half

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<v Speaker 1>ounce of simple syrup. You can also do a darker

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<v Speaker 1>like a demurra here if you want a richer one,

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<v Speaker 1>and then an ounce of coconut, vanilla Greek yogurt. And

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<v Speaker 1>the reason here is that right mint is sometimes given

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<v Speaker 1>for an upset tummy. Coconut can also be used to

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<v Speaker 1>soothe an upset tummy. Lime juice for some people helps

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<v Speaker 1>deal with indigestion so and of course yogurt is full

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<v Speaker 1>of probiotics, so this would not have helped the victim

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<v Speaker 1>here at all. Mabel still would have passed. But this

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<v Speaker 1>will at least be yummy for us while we consider

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<v Speaker 1>how she was probably the victim of medical malpractice. So

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna put all these together in your shaker. I

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<v Speaker 1>really wanted to make it super smooth and a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit fluffy, so I used my frother to mix it

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<v Speaker 1>a little first, and then I put in my ice

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<v Speaker 1>and gave it a good shake, and then I you

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<v Speaker 1>want to double strain this, so strain it not through

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<v Speaker 1>like your hawthorn strainer, but also if you have a

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<v Speaker 1>mesh strainer, through that as well, because you want it

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<v Speaker 1>to be really, really smooth, and it is stupidly delicious

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<v Speaker 1>as we know. I will invoke my guinea pig yet again.

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<v Speaker 1>My beloved, who not a big drinker but tries everything

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<v Speaker 1>and gives his honest opinion. And this is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the rare occasions where he said, can I finish this one?

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, yeah, baby, you can. I can

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<v Speaker 1>make another if I want more. He really really liked

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<v Speaker 1>it because it is It's very yummy. It's creamy, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's not heavy. It has a little brightness. The crem

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<v Speaker 1>dement is not overpowering the mocktail. For This is so

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<v Speaker 1>easy to make and honestly is just as delicious, if

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<v Speaker 1>not more so.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, has got to be at least

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<v Speaker 2>equally good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So instead of vodka, you have a couple options here.

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<v Speaker 1>You can do coconut water, which is what I did.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want something with you know, a little more flavor,

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<v Speaker 1>you can do vanilla tea. You can do a white

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<v Speaker 1>grape juice. You can do almost anything that you want. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just an ounce. And then instead of crem demnth,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna do a mint syrup and that's that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the only substitutions you have to make, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you have a yummy and delicious variation on a lossy.

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<v Speaker 1>And the nice thing is, once you're used to using

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<v Speaker 1>yogurt in drinks and something like this, where you have

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<v Speaker 1>like your primary spirit which is the vodka, your secondary

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<v Speaker 1>which is the liqueur, and just a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>citrus you don't want too much, and a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of syrup and you can throttle that syrup up or

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<v Speaker 1>down to suit your taste for sweetness. It's really easy

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<v Speaker 1>to just sub out any of those and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>have a choose your own adventure thing, right, Like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of lossies will normally have plain yogurt as their

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<v Speaker 1>yogurt ingredient. I wanted the coconut because I like that

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<v Speaker 1>flavor and I thought it would add a nice roundness

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<v Speaker 1>to the whole thing. But like, you can literally do

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<v Speaker 1>that and then play mix them up at your home

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<v Speaker 1>bar and be like, I want gin instead, and I

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<v Speaker 1>want crem denoio or I want like you can literally

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<v Speaker 1>mix anything up and for the most part you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be fine. I'm sure there's some combo that will be black,

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<v Speaker 1>black black, but for the most part delicious. This is

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<v Speaker 1>also a great way to play with the flavors of

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<v Speaker 1>something like a white Russian, where you can use like

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<v Speaker 1>a coffee liqueur and a vodka and your yogurt instead

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<v Speaker 1>of heavy cream, and it just changes it up a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit and shifts it to a slightly different flavor.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little less cloyingly sweet, even with the simple syrup,

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<v Speaker 1>because sometimes a white Russian can feel very heavy because

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<v Speaker 1>that heavy cream is sweet on its own. So options, options, options,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you take this and play with it. Make

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<v Speaker 1>many yogurt drinks, because they're so good. We are so

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