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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome. We are live at the Javit Center, Jason Fitz.

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Speaker 2: I'm Anthony Gargato fanatics. What a festival. This is sports Mecca,

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Speaker 2: my brother.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask you the nerdiest question of all time?

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Speaker 1: Have you ever been to a comic con?

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Speaker 3: So I have not?

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Speaker 1: Okay, that doesn't surprise me because I'm a nerd and

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Speaker 1: you're not. I'm just saying this is like the ultimate

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Speaker 1: sports fanatic comic con, because like I went to one

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Speaker 1: last year in Denver where like I'm a big horror

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Speaker 1: movie fanatic, you and like the entire cast Scream was there, right,

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Speaker 1: So I got to see like a panel where they

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Speaker 1: talked about the movie and then you call on and

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Speaker 1: then like you can get stuff signed and it's this

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Speaker 1: cool experience. And then I walk in here and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: this is exactly that for sports fans. The WWE fans,

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Speaker 1: by the way, have like overtaken half of this place.

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Speaker 1: I get as wild.

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Speaker 3: It's smart.

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Speaker 2: Listen, we are listen, we talk about nerd them.

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Speaker 3: I'm a king nerd, right, Like.

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Speaker 1: I mean sports, well, sports.

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Speaker 3: When I was a kid.

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Speaker 2: Like so if I go back and you'll relate to this, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: So I didn't wasn't a superhero guy, tell either, right either.

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Speaker 1: So athletes were my superheroes.

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Speaker 2: So you know I would watched Dan Marito play quarterback

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Speaker 2: and you know that he was his own superhero. And

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Speaker 2: you watch Lawrence Taylor and you watch these players all

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Speaker 2: through the NBA and Michael Jordan. I mean, these guys

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Speaker 2: could walk on air, they could do things that were

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Speaker 2: so you know, super human.

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Speaker 1: That's brilliant by you. And also it speaks to the

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Speaker 1: difference in society now, like because we have so much

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Speaker 1: accessibility to athletes and almost humanizes them too much. When

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Speaker 1: we were all kids, like Michael Jordan just you could

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Speaker 1: never conceptualize having access to him now, right, you can

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Speaker 1: conceptualize access to KD for example, because you know if

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Speaker 1: you tweet the wrong thing, he might tweet you back.

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Speaker 1: So there is an element of that though that you know,

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Speaker 1: you look at it and you think about there's a

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Speaker 1: beautiful part of that where you can actually meet some

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Speaker 1: of your heroes you feel like you relate to them,

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Speaker 1: But also it takes some of the superhero element away

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Speaker 1: because it felt like guys in that era were just

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Speaker 1: larger than life.

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Speaker 3: Like both.

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Speaker 1: Jackson was larger than life for a kid, Yes, let

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Speaker 1: me think about it.

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Speaker 2: Who played both football and baseball, Who could break a

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Speaker 2: bat over his knee, who could hit the ball country mile,

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Speaker 2: who could on Monday night football put his foot on

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Speaker 2: Brian Bosworth's I couldn't Like, that's a guy that could

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Speaker 2: do everything. I mean, that's kind of why we sit

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Speaker 2: here and I look around and I go, this is

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Speaker 2: freaking awesome, man, because we're Anybody here who loves sports

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Speaker 2: can't relate to what we talk about.

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Speaker 1: I think for me, you know, I've been lucky. Every

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Speaker 1: real job I've had in my life has been fans supported,

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Speaker 1: right like sports now, music before. And the crazy thing

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Speaker 1: about that is you think about what it means to

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Speaker 1: have that relationship. That's what you see here when you

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Speaker 1: walk around and you see people having access to getting

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Speaker 1: autographs from their favorite people. The it's athletes or whether

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Speaker 1: it's you know, WWE superstars, whatever it is. Here, you

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Speaker 1: see the access to different memorabilia that ties into your life.

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Speaker 1: It's really cool because you think about that's such a key,

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Speaker 1: like one of the things you have to do in

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Speaker 1: our business or in the music business. You got to

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Speaker 1: take fans and make them super fans, and how do

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Speaker 1: you do that? How do you make people really connect

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Speaker 1: to you? And these sorts of experiences do that.

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Speaker 3: So it's done.

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Speaker 2: And you talk about the collectible thing, right basically what

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Speaker 2: they are are, it's it's a timeline of your own life, right,

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Speaker 2: like you get these objects.

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Speaker 3: But let's face why, I'll go to the music. I

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Speaker 3: love museums.

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Speaker 1: You're a museum, did the Argano?

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't appeg that.

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Speaker 1: I would not appeg that I'm gonna.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know.

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Speaker 2: I love them like I'll I've been to you know.

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Speaker 3: The Loom.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's because you travel the world. Like when

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Speaker 1: I went to the museums in Rome, it was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, this is the first painting they ever

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Speaker 1: depth and painting. I didn't. I didn't that was ever

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Speaker 2: You know, it's no, but it's amazing, right And and

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Speaker 2: with sports all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: I used to travel.

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Speaker 2: I was a writer, so I came from that world

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Speaker 2: and go from stadium to ballpark, the stadium and I

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Speaker 2: remember going this isn't like this is incredible. I used

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Speaker 2: to see these mythical places on television. And now I'm

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Speaker 2: looking up and this is Soldier Field right, and this

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Speaker 2: is Mile High and Coors Field and all these.

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Speaker 1: Is there one that still gives you goosebumps?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, actually a bunch of them.

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Speaker 2: Lambeau Okay, Lambeau to me exudes football. Like when you're

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Speaker 2: at Lambeau Field, you feel like, oh my God, like

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Speaker 2: this is football. You know, in this whole building you

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Speaker 2: can look at it and see it. Dodger Stadium I

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Speaker 2: love for baseball, Wrigley Field, Notre Dame. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: college stadiums are really awesome. I don't know about you,

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Speaker 2: but you've been to a lot of them.

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Speaker 3: Like, give me the ones that stand out, I.

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Speaker 1: Would say, today getting off the train station, and right

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Speaker 1: right there's Madison Square, Like my right arm is everywhere

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Speaker 1: I've lived in the moment. I'm proud of stuff in

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Speaker 1: my life, and one of those is the logo to

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Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden. Because when I was a kid at Julliard,

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Speaker 1: humble brag. I would come in and I like, we

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Speaker 1: didn't have anything as a kid, so I would save

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Speaker 1: my lunch money and at the end of the like

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Speaker 1: the weekend, I would just walk up to scalpers on

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Speaker 1: the street in the early nineties and be like, I

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Speaker 1: got four bucks, can I get in? So I went

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Speaker 1: to Rangers and Knicks games a bunch as of kids.

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Speaker 1: Did you real like that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Because I love sports as a kid, so like that

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Speaker 1: was my release, right, So when we played, when the

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Speaker 1: band played Madison Square Garden, it was the sold out show,

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Speaker 1: like that was one of those eminent Like but today

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Speaker 1: I got off the train station and I just sat

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Speaker 1: there and I took a picture of it. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I'm never gonna not be in love with certain places.

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Speaker 1: So the garden stands out.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm so glack this.

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Speaker 2: I worked for the New York Post and Madison Square

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Speaker 2: Garden and I watched in Jordan scored sixty three against

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Speaker 2: the Knicks on a Saturday afternoon in late April, right

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Speaker 2: like these these moments and that place the blue seats

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Speaker 2: for Rangers games, and I got to include the old

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Speaker 2: Yakee Stadium. Oh yeah, not the new one, but the

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Speaker 2: old Yankee Stadium, not the new one. No, the old

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Speaker 2: Yaki Stadium was the greatest. Like I'll never forget being there.

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Speaker 2: And it was like that late nineties when they had

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Speaker 2: the big run and it was Mariano and it was Jeter,

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Speaker 2: and it was Bernie Williams and it was you know

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Speaker 2: that Tory group. And looking out on Easter Sunday at

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Speaker 2: this seventy two degrees sun splash the field, the way

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Speaker 2: it was perfectly manicured, it was just beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Can we acknowledge to you're such a writer. You just

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Speaker 1: said sun splashed, which is so beautiful. Like I would

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Speaker 1: never say the phrase sun splash, but when you said it,

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Speaker 1: I was like, God, you're painting a picture right now.

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Speaker 2: I close, I was, I can just see it, Like,

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Speaker 2: and how do you do? You close your eyes and

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Speaker 2: you describe what you see in your mind's eye.

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Speaker 1: But the funny thing for me is so when we

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Speaker 1: played the Garden, I was so excited, right, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: But I was older than everybody else in the band. Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm an old guy, right, so everybody else walks into.

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Speaker 3: The arth, You're going backwards.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this point, I'm a vampire. I'll admit that.

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Speaker 1: But we go backstage and some of the band guys

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Speaker 1: are like, this place is a dump. Nobody liked it.

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Speaker 1: The next night we played Barclays for like a Victoria's

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Speaker 1: Secret Fashion Show event and they were like, now this

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Speaker 1: you all, Like I just I can't.

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Speaker 3: I can't.

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Speaker 1: Freaking it's the worst. It's the worst. We played Wrigley

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Speaker 1: twice too, so like, Wriggly did you I took ivy

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Speaker 1: off the wall? You're not supposed to take the ivy

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Speaker 1: off the wall? And I was like, what do you really?

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Speaker 1: So like somewhere in my house side pieces of ivy

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Speaker 1: that I stole.

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Speaker 3: Off the wall. Cool is that.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm doing that. I'm doing that thing.

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Speaker 2: And when you're that norse, like that neighborhood, it's amazing, right,

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Speaker 2: Like you're there in the middle of It's Wrigley Field,

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Speaker 2: And this is kind of this conversation is embodies what

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Speaker 2: this is supposed to be all about, Yeah, which is

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Speaker 2: the celebration of sports, of what we love.

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Speaker 3: Man, you know, we're.

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Speaker 2: About to embark on college football in the NFL. I mean,

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Speaker 2: is there any big what NFL stadiums? Have you been too?

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Speaker 1: A bunch of them? I mean, look, I'm a Homer.

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Speaker 1: I love a llegiance because I'm from Vegas. Of course

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Speaker 1: it's a beautiful stadium. But you're right Lambo, Like Lambo's

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Speaker 1: cool if anybody's never been there. It's open year round

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Speaker 1: and you can pay whatever, like twelve bucks and go

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Speaker 1: in into the Lambeau Leap stadiums to do that and

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Speaker 1: invest year round. Like there's a stadium store inside Lambo

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Speaker 1: that is priced the same as every other store in

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Speaker 1: Green Bay. Like they're not they want people to come

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Speaker 1: into the stadium experience the stadium. I think that stuff

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Speaker 1: is absolutely like it's just it hits different, right, But

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Speaker 1: I will say college football stadiums have so much more

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Speaker 1: off like LSU being at Atbama LSU a few years

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Speaker 1: ago when they were both top top ranked teams sort

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Speaker 1: of like the floor is shaking. Yeah, there's just something

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Speaker 1: Like there's something beautiful about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And we we we've talked about this on our show.

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Speaker 1: But the culture the fellows on Fox Sports Radio make

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Speaker 1: sure you're with us Saturday mornings.

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Speaker 2: But those the culture of football, like when you're down

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Speaker 2: in LSU Bama, I mean that CC what kind of

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Speaker 2: rich culture, like we're at the Guarden like that New York,

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Speaker 2: the New York basketball, baseball, every way, it's celebrated. Every

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Speaker 2: sport in New York has a New York flare to it.

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Speaker 1: I think when you say that, it really reminds me

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Speaker 1: how important it is that a stadium, a team, a coach,

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Speaker 1: a franchise embody the place that they are right. Like

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Speaker 1: so whether we're talking about LSU or Bama, or we're

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Speaker 1: talking about USC, or we're talking about Philly, like you

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Speaker 1: know Philly better than anybody. And I think the best,

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Speaker 1: the best sort of moment is when you find a

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Speaker 1: coach and an organization and a stadium and a fan

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Speaker 1: base and a quarterback in these situations that all relate

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Speaker 1: Flat footed long ball, how far can you throw them today?

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Speaker 1: But then what happens for a young generation that's watching

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Speaker 1: the homes right now, right, and so they're all trying

439
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Speaker 1: to do behind the back and side like, so, what

440
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Speaker 1: happens to your fundamentals when you're watching the best quarterback

441
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Speaker 1: in the game right now? Do things that fundamentally aren't

442
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Speaker 1: what we're used to.

443
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Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody doesn't have those gifts.

444
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Speaker 7: That's when you start calling a person special, you know,

445
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Speaker 7: and he's special. And I had some of that as well.

446
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Speaker 7: I didn't always have to be in perfect position to throw.

447
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Speaker 7: I could make some of those throws on the move,

448
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Speaker 7: But you don't want to make a living doing that, right,

449
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Speaker 7: But as long as you can get the same accuracy

450
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Speaker 7: out of those type of throws, that's what you were

451
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Speaker 7: looking for.

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Speaker 2: If you look at So I have an eleven year

453
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Speaker 2: old who plays quarterback, and so you know, we're constantly

454
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Speaker 2: working on the whole thing. Yeah, streaking a footwork or

455
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Speaker 2: his feet, everything all about your feet, old baby, and

456
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Speaker 2: he watches mahomes and he'll watch you know, those mobile

457
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Speaker 2: quarterbacks today and right off the bat. He's looking to

458
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Speaker 2: throw off throw off the run. And what do you

459
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Speaker 2: say to kids about, you know, setting yourself, gathering yourself,

460
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Speaker 2: and the mechanics. Because you were so mechanically sound, you

461
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Speaker 2: could do a million different things. That's why you're a

462
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Speaker 2: great athlete. But you were mechanically sound. Yeah, and that

463
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Speaker 2: makes that's the most important.

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Speaker 7: You have to start with the framework of knowing the

465
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Speaker 7: mechanics and knowing the basics, and then all the other

466
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Speaker 7: extra stuff comes after that. The position is being so

467
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Speaker 7: much better coach now than it ever has before. When

468
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Speaker 7: I was a young kid, we didn't have quarterback coaches.

469
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Speaker 7: They didn't teach you how to throw the football. They

470
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Speaker 7: just said throw it in and follow through and something

471
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Speaker 7: as simple as that. But now you have all these

472
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Speaker 7: quarterback coaches and gurus that are coaching kids now from seven,

473
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Speaker 7: eight nine years old, all the way up through high school,

474
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Speaker 7: all the way up through college. Some of these kids

475
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Speaker 7: have the same quarterback coach all the way up to

476
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Speaker 7: the pros. So you get much better coaching as far

477
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Speaker 7: as the fundamentals, and not only the fundamentals of the game,

478
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Speaker 7: the physical part, but the mental part. The grease board

479
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Speaker 7: going up and talking about coverages, talking about defenses in

480
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Speaker 7: that so kids are much more prepared to play college

481
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Speaker 7: football and they're much better prepared to play pro football

482
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Speaker 7: because of how they've been coached at a very young age.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but let's go back to the history books here

484
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Speaker 1: for a minute, and let's remember that when you played,

485
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Speaker 1: everybody was under center, and then you guys came out

486
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Speaker 1: with an offense and nobody wanted to face right, nobody could.

487
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Speaker 1: Now we watch college football and it looks like I'm

488
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Speaker 1: watching your team. So yeah, when you look at the

489
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Speaker 1: influencer your career and your team's had, how does that

490
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Speaker 1: sort of translate.

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Speaker 7: To what I like to say, I was a trendsetter

492
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Speaker 7: when it comes to this wide open package of football

493
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Speaker 7: that you see now, the four wide out offenses, the

494
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Speaker 7: empty backfields, the way the past concepts go, as far

495
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Speaker 7: as the adjustable routes and everything that we did. And

496
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Speaker 7: then you know, the back shoulder throws. We used to

497
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Speaker 7: call it a fade stop. They called it a back

498
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Speaker 7: shoulder to me now, but we did. We were doing

499
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Speaker 7: that back in nineteen ninety. So yeah, all these things

500
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Speaker 7: that I see in the game today that are being

501
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Speaker 7: I watched on TV.

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Speaker 3: I'll go, oh, yeah, that's a switch route right there.

503
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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, that's a that's a fade route right there,

504
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Speaker 7: or that's a go.

505
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Speaker 3: Route or whatever it might be. So I can visualize

506
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Speaker 3: and I can see all these.

507
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Speaker 7: Different plays being run today that I was running way back,

508
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Speaker 7: what twenty five thirty years ago.

509
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Speaker 2: It's even funny, like the lexicon just it's the same stop,

510
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Speaker 2: like I'm gonna run at nine or who's gonna run Hey.

511
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Speaker 2: It's almost like coaches do that to keep ahead of

512
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Speaker 2: the language, so it makes time seems smarter.

513
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Speaker 7: Yeah, well you change the terminology, it's the same plays. Yeah,

514
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Speaker 7: But you know, the West Coast offense dominated football when

515
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Speaker 7: I was playing the most until we started with the

516
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Speaker 7: running shooting that.

517
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Speaker 3: So that's what everybody wanted to know.

518
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Speaker 7: What was the West Coast offense because the forty nine

519
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Speaker 7: ers were so successful.

520
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Speaker 3: Bill Walsh ran the West Coast.

521
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Speaker 7: She had Joe Montana in that offense, she had Steve

522
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Speaker 7: Young in that offense. Everybody that came through that offense

523
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Speaker 7: was very, very successful. And then it just spread throughout

524
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Speaker 7: the league and I ran some of that offense. It's

525
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Speaker 7: a very difficult offense to learn, but once you get it,

526
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Speaker 7: and once you learn it, you're going to be pretty

527
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Speaker 7: pretty efficient at it. But I was more of a

528
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Speaker 7: downfield thrower, so I like to push the ball down

529
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Speaker 7: the field a little bit more so.

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Speaker 3: I tended to like the running shoot and.

531
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Speaker 7: Some of the other things that I did offensively more

532
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Speaker 7: so than the West Coast.

533
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Speaker 2: You could about where you were twenty yards twenty five yards.

534
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Speaker 3: I wanted to push it.

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Speaker 1: That was like, that was an era where you know,

536
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Speaker 1: watching as a fan, this kid, I'm turning around, I'm like, man,

537
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Speaker 1: the one team you don't want third and fifteen. Usually

538
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Speaker 1: you're like that, very fine taking no problem.

539
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Speaker 3: It's my first down throw.

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Speaker 1: So I want to talk a little bit about context, Okay,

541
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Speaker 1: because today in a new cycle world twenty four to

542
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Speaker 1: seven debate shows every day we have essentially assigned as

543
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Speaker 1: a society that a lack of a Super Bowl ring

544
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Speaker 1: suddenly means you're not good at right. And I use

545
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Speaker 1: your era a lot as examples off. There are great

546
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are Hall of famers that didn't win.

547
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Speaker 3: A Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: So my question to you is, like, how are we

549
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Speaker 1: supposed to put context to championships in the conversation around quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 7: They've just become so much more important now in the

552
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Speaker 7: context of the game than it was back when I played.

553
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Speaker 7: When I played, we didn't talk about who had the

554
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Speaker 7: most Super Bowls back then, but it seemed like when

555
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Speaker 7: he got to the two thousands, that's when it became

556
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Speaker 7: more of a subject, and especially with Brady.

557
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Speaker 3: Winning all the ones that started winning, and everything started

558
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Speaker 3: to be compared to what Brady was doing.

559
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Speaker 7: And even as great as Pat Mahomes is right now,

560
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Speaker 7: you know, he's won what three, has a chance to

561
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Speaker 7: win three in a row now, still he's only halfway

562
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Speaker 7: with Brady. So I think the kid is one of

563
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Speaker 7: the greatest quarterbacks to ever play the game.

564
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Speaker 3: But because he.

565
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Speaker 7: Doesn't have seven Super Bowls, he's not considered one of

566
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Speaker 7: the great And it's ridiculous because to follow up with

567
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Speaker 7: the Fitzi's context the Super Bowl, he loses, he has

568
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Speaker 7: no tackles.

569
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Speaker 2: Both his tackles go down, and he's under constant duress,

570
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Speaker 2: and yet we expect him to win a game without

571
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Speaker 2: his tackle. But there's something inherently wrong about that.

572
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Speaker 7: And then there's certain guys just like Josh Allen, I mean,

573
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Speaker 7: as great as he is.

574
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Speaker 3: Look who he's losing to. He loses to Pat Mahomes.

575
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Speaker 7: I mean, Lamar Jackson wins the MVP last year, but

576
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Speaker 7: who does he lose to in the final?

577
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Speaker 3: Pat Mahomes. So it was the same thing with me.

578
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Speaker 7: I lost to Joe Montana once, I lost to John

579
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Speaker 7: Elway twice. They went to nine Super Bowls during the

580
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Speaker 7: time that they played. So there's guys that some guys

581
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Speaker 7: just don't beat because they don't have the team to

582
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Speaker 7: beat that guy.

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Speaker 1: That day, with the greatness of your career, when you

584
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Speaker 1: look back on it, what's the moment, like, what's your

585
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Speaker 1: favorite moment did you look back on and say, I'm

586
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Speaker 1: the proudest of this.

587
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Speaker 7: Well, when I first went to Houston, it was a

588
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Speaker 7: very losing organization. You know, they were two and fourteen

589
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Speaker 7: the year before we got there, and we knew we

590
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Speaker 7: were going to build through the draft and had a

591
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Speaker 7: very young team. In our third year, we finally made

592
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Speaker 7: the playoffs. We won our division. We won a playoff

593
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Speaker 7: game at home against the Seattle Seahawks's. That was proud

594
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Speaker 7: for me because that organization and that fan base deserved

595
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Speaker 7: a lot better than what they had, and we finally

596
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Speaker 7: got them to that point. So that was one of

597
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Speaker 7: the proudest times for me, is when we got through

598
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Speaker 7: those those building losing days to finally get to the

599
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Speaker 7: playoffs and we became a perennial playoff team. Never won

600
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Speaker 7: the Super Bowl, but we were always in contention. Yeah,

601
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Speaker 7: always good.

602
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Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting because we get back to that

603
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Speaker 2: context thing. Your offense was so good, right, but you

604
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Speaker 2: know if you don't have the defense that the Broncos have, Yeah,

605
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Speaker 2: you know, it changes the scope and it changed He's

606
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: like this reality which he's not really there.

607
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Speaker 3: So who do you like today? Like, who do you

608
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Speaker 3: like to watch today?

609
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Speaker 7: Well, definitely like to watch fifteen Mahomes. He saw what

610
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Speaker 7: he did yesterday behind the back of path. Who tries

611
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 7: that in a game? But he does it in practice

612
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Speaker 7: all the time, so it's not like there's something that

613
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Speaker 7: we're seeing new. He throws the ball left hand that

614
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Speaker 7: in practice, he throws it underhand in practice sometimes, and

615
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 7: he's done that in the games.

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Speaker 3: So he's very entertaining to watch.

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Speaker 7: I love watching Lamar Jackson because you just never know

618
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Speaker 7: what he's gonna do when he when he takes off

619
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Speaker 7: out of the pocket.

620
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Speaker 3: Love Josh Allen.

621
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Speaker 7: I just love his tenacity, the way he plays the game,

622
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Speaker 7: with his aggression and he just goes after it.

623
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Speaker 3: He doesn't play the game like a quarterback.

624
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Speaker 7: He plays it like a I don't know, like a

625
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Speaker 7: running back that can throw the football.

626
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

627
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Speaker 7: And then Joe Burrow when he's healthy, he's one of

628
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Speaker 7: the smoothest guys you know, to throw the football right now.

629
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Speaker 7: So there's so many good young quarterbacks in this league

630
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Speaker 7: right now. The league is in very good shape as

631
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Speaker 7: far as the quarterback position. For a long time, you knows.

632
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Speaker 2: Issue about Mahomes is that he plays a position like

633
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Speaker 2: a point guard right like it's however, I can get

634
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Speaker 2: the ball down the field, whether it's a flip, and

635
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 2: he's so quick and it kind of because you had this.

636
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Speaker 3: Well, that was the way I That's the way I

637
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Speaker 3: looked at myself.

638
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Speaker 7: My favorite sport is basketball, and I played point guard

639
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 7: when I played. But my job, I felt as a

640
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 7: quarterback was distributed to the ball, to the to the

641
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 7: playmakers and let them make the plays. And I remember

642
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 7: one year I had three on my receivers to make

643
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 7: the Pro Bowl because because you know, I'm delivering it

644
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 7: to all the different guys, trying to keep them all happy.

645
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 7: The kind I have to know as a quarterback what

646
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 7: the personalities are of all your guys that you play with. Okay,

647
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 7: I need to get the ball to this guy early

648
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 7: in the game because if I don't, I'll lose him.

649
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 7: He won't be running his routes hard. After that, he'll

650
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Speaker 7: start to sull. Kicker's another guy that I don't have

651
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 7: to worry about getting him the ball early because he's

652
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 7: gonna run his routes hard all the time. So you

653
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 7: have to know all those things about these guys and

654
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 7: what buttons to push on all your guys.

655
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Speaker 3: On you on your football team. And I was able

656
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Speaker 3: to do that.

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Speaker 7: I knew, hey, with Jefferies want the ball now, but

658
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 7: if I didn't get it to him, he might be

659
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 7: sulking for a while because he hadn't gotten the ball.

660
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 3: Just little things like that.

661
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: So uh jabbering in the huddle, you're hitting in the

662
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: huddle and get.

663
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 3: Definitely a psychologist playing quarterback.

664
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: I love it. So you talked about a lot of

665
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: the great quarterbacks and it raises his conversation because we

666
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: talk about Dak on our show. I feel like every week, right,

667
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: But there's this weird dynamic for me. I don't think

668
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: you can win in the current NFL without a great quarterback.

669
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 3: You'd have to have.

670
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: Somebody that competes with mahomes. What do you do if

671
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: you're a team that has a really good quarterback, but

672
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: now you're gonna have to pay him like a great

673
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: quarterback and if you don't, you might have to go

674
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: back into the trackt like. It's such a weird spot

675
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: to be.

676
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 7: I know that's that's a Jerry Jones problem, and I

677
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 7: think he created that problem a while back when he

678
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 7: got his first deal where he had already franchised him.

679
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 7: So he loses that now on the next deal because

680
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 7: that's what he negotiated. So now that he can't franchise

681
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 7: him or anything like that, he's got to pretty much

682
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 7: pay the top of the market or go another direction.

683
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 7: And when you go another direction, who is that guy

684
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 7: who's going to be your next quarterback? When you give

685
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 7: up a good even a really good quarterback, if you

686
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 7: give up one, what are you going to replace him with?

687
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 7: And that position right now is so important to an

688
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 7: organization being successful.

689
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 3: If you don't have a good win, you're not going

690
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 3: to be very good.

691
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 7: So at least what Dak Prescott gives you is you're

692
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 7: going to always be in contention. You're gonna always have

693
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 7: a chance, and that's all you can really ask for.

694
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: And once you get to the dance to the playoffs, now.

695
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 7: You got to get hot and you got to win

696
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 7: three games or whatever it is to get to the

697
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 7: to the to the finals. So that's Dallas's next step.

698
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 7: They've got to do what it takes to get there,

699
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 7: which they've been able to do the last three years consistently.

700
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 3: Now they got to get hot at the.

701
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 7: Right time and get on a roll and win those

702
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 7: three games in the playoffs.

703
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: I love the way you said that, just because my buddy,

704
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: Harry Douglas is it's ingrained in my head. Getting the dance,

705
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: you got a chance, like get the dance.

706
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 3: A chance. If you don't.

707
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 7: If you don't get in the dance, it doesn't even matter.

708
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,479
Speaker 7: You go home and everybody else keeps playing. But at

709
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 7: least if you get there, you've got a chance. Now

710
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 7: it's up to your whole football team. You know, Dak

711
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 7: didn't give up forty one points last year against Green Bay,

712
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 7: But you're gonna get the blame because you're the quarterback.

713
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 7: That's what happens at our position. We take the credit

714
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 7: when we don't always deserve it, and we take the

715
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 7: blame when we don't always deserve it. And that's just

716
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,239
Speaker 7: kind of part of the deal. And that's why you

717
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 7: sign up for that position.

718
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I also tell everybody real quick, I always

719
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: say the same thing. You know, it's worse than losing

720
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, not making the playoffs at all.

721
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: Right, Right, at least you can say you had a chance.

722
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 3: I got to ask you about to Texas because Houston. Yeah,

723
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: I love that. CJ. Stroud, Man, my god, he's special.

724
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 7: Right, He's another one of those guys that's special, because,

725
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 7: first of all, I thought, I like what Houston did

726
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 7: with him when they brought him in from Ohio State.

727
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 7: They saw what he did at Ohio State, what he

728
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 7: was successful with the type of offense that they ran.

729
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 7: You got him some guys that you can make plays

730
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 7: for him, and you noticed that he ran from under

731
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 7: the center a lot like he did in Yeah, he

732
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 7: did in college. Yeah, he huddled up and called plays

733
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 7: in the huddle. That's what he did in college. So

734
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 7: it wasn't anything new for him. When he got to

735
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,959
Speaker 7: the pros. A lot of these quarterbacks that come out

736
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 7: of college never call plays. They're always looking to the

737
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 7: sideline and somebody's given him a card or some type

738
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 7: of signal. That's where they get their place from. Never

739
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 7: huddle up or anything like that. So Ohio State ran

740
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 7: more of a pro style system, so when he came

741
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 7: to the pros, it wasn't a big u a big

742
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 7: learning curve for him when he got to the Texans,

743
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 7: And that's why I think he had a lot of

744
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 7: success to go along with the fact that he's a

745
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 7: very very talented thrower of the football, very very accurate,

746
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 7: very quick release, makes decisions very quickly as far as

747
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 7: thro field man.

748
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: I love the way he sees to feel as a

749
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: legendary oiler. Though I've always wondered this, like a legendary oiler, right,

750
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: I lived in Nashville for twenty years. The Titans took

751
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: a long time to embrace the e oilers as part

752
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: of there, and then you wake up when they they're like, no, no, no, no,

753
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: the oilers are in this. So like as a legendary

754
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: oil do you feel an allegiance to the Titans?

755
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 3: I do.

756
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 7: I feel a strong Allegiance, and it's mainly because of

757
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 7: Amy Adam Shrunk, who's the owner of the Oilers now,

758
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 7: but Adam's daughter. She really made a conscious effort to

759
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 7: bring all the former Oilers into the organization and make

760
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 7: it one big, happy family. And we have a reunion

761
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 7: every year now for the last four or five years,

762
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 7: and she.

763
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 3: Brings everybody in.

764
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 7: You're able to bring a spouse or significant other, puts

765
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 7: you up at a hotel. We have all these nice events,

766
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 7: go to the game, sit in the box, we're all

767
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 7: introduced before the game.

768
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: They really do it up great.

769
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 7: And I'm, you know, alumni of a couple of other teams,

770
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 7: and I know how they do it. Nobody does it

771
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 7: as well as Tennessee does. She really really takes care

772
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 7: of us. And I think that's why the guys have

773
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 7: really embraced the Titans, and that's why the Titans have

774
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 7: embraced the Oilers.

775
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: Have you gotten to do this sword? So for anyone

776
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: that doesn't know where the Titans, the Titans have a

777
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: big sword and you just drive it into And I

778
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: talked to Keith Urban Hummelbrack once about it, and Keith

779
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: was like, man, that that dang sword was heavy and

780
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: that a.

781
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 3: Cool thing to do.

782
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 7: I was able to do that, and uh, I had

783
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 7: seen other people do it before.

784
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 3: But you get a rush when you actually are.

785
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 7: Doing it, and all of a sudden, spiralworks start flashing

786
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 7: just as soon as you.

787
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: Pick the sword in there.

788
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 7: You feel like you're thor or somebody like that, like

789
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 7: you're a superhero.

790
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 3: That's very cool experience if you if you can.

791
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 2: Go back and relive one game, one game that you

792
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 2: want to relive, and you can either change the alcohol

793
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: or relive the whole thing.

794
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 7: Over every playoff loss, because you hate to lose your

795
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 7: last game because if you lose your last.

796
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 3: Game, you know your season is over.

797
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 7: The only is only one team every year that doesn't

798
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 7: lose their last game and wins it all. So whatever

799
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 7: your last game was that you lost, that's what I

800
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 7: would always want to have back. And it doesn't matter

801
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 7: if we lost by one point, it doesn't matter if

802
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 7: we lost by fifty points. You want to you want

803
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 7: to get that last game back.

804
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: Which there one that you would want to go back

805
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: and just feel again that it was so special that

806
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: just to relive those moments it felt really good.

807
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 3: Wow, a playoff game or just a randy thing.

808
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 2: I goes, you can go back. I give you the superpower.

809
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 2: I ready go back and relive it.

810
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 7: You know, there was a game in Kansas City in

811
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 7: the regular season. I played against the Chiefs and I

812
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 7: threw for five hundred and I want to say twenty

813
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 7: something yards.

814
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 3: Wow.

815
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 7: Well, I had one play called back and the all

816
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 7: time record is five hundred and thirty nine yards in

817
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 7: a game, right, so I missed it by twelve yards.

818
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 7: But I had one play that was called back, a

819
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 7: thirty three yard corner route to Haywood Jeffers that they

820
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 7: said he stepped out a bound and he didn't. But

821
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 7: they didn't have replay like they have now back then,

822
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 7: and they showed it after the game was over that

823
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 7: if they would have called it that catch, I would

824
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 7: have the all time single game record. So that would

825
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 7: be probably one game one play I'd love to have back.

826
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

827
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always I'm interested in the legends that influenced

828
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: the legends. So I'm gonna ask you two part questions.

829
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: Who did you lean on when you got into the

830
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: league to help you be a pro And is there

831
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: somebody in the league right now that's leaning on you.

832
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 7: You know, Unfortunately, when I came in the league, I

833
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 7: didn't really have any guys to lean on. I didn't

834
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 7: know any of the guys because you got to remember,

835
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 7: I came in from Canada. A lot of the guys

836
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 7: that were in the league were already there. Even the

837
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 7: African American quarterbacks that I thought I could have leaned

838
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 7: on were in the USFL at that time. Doug Williams

839
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 7: was in the USFL, Vince Evans was in the USFL.

840
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 3: So I really.

841
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 7: Didn't have a lot of mentor type guys, and that's

842
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 7: something I felt like I needed to do when it

843
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 7: was my turn to do that.

844
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: So I've had a lot of young guys, you know, to.

845
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 7: Mentor when I came into the league, whether it was

846
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 7: you know, Ben Roethlisberger, I helped train him when he

847
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 7: came out of college, or Andrew Luck I helped train

848
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 7: him when he was coming out of Stanford, or cam

849
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 7: Newton I helped train him when he was coming out

850
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 7: of out of Auburn. So you know, young guys like that,

851
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 7: So a lot of different relationships. Donovan McNabb, Rodney Pete,

852
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 7: all those guys I had, you know, their phone numbers,

853
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 7: I would text them from time to time just to

854
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 7: keep up with them, let them know I'm thinking about them.

855
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 7: They could always turn to me if there was some

856
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 7: situation they were dealing with that that.

857
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 3: They needed an answer for or some help with.

858
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 7: So, yeah, I had a lot of different guys that

859
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 7: I was mentoring when I was just out of the

860
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 7: league or still in the league.

861
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: Well, you bring up McNabb and I'm curious of he

862
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: went through some difficult spots that really weren't his doing.

863
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 2: Rush Limbaugh, right, all this stuff you as a pioneer

864
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: of you having to deal with this stuff.

865
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: Did you talk to him about this?

866
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: I remember it was such undue and it's not a

867
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: long time ago, like it's he was called through this

868
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety nine.

869
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.

870
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 7: I wrote a book and finally kind of talked a

871
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 7: lot about some of the things that I dealt with

872
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 7: when I was playing that I never addressed to anybody

873
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 7: during the time that had happened.

874
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 3: He not even my family. But yeah, it.

875
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 7: Was a difficult time playing quarterback when I played it,

876
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 7: and it was even more difficult before that because I

877
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 7: got to be really good friends with.

878
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: James Shaq Harris, with.

879
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 7: Marlon Briscoe before he passed away, with Joe Gilliam before

880
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 7: he passed away, and they told me stories that I

881
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 7: couldn't believe as well. So, yeah, that's one of the

882
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 7: reasons why I wanted to make sure I was available

883
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 7: to those younger, especially African American guys, because we deal

884
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 7: with the position that the position gives you.

885
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: First, there's enough pressures.

886
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 7: Just playing the position no matter what color you right,

887
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 7: and then if you're African American, there's another pressure out

888
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 7: there that a lot of people weren't aware of that

889
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 7: only you get you as an African American could identify with.

890
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: And I think it's important context for the kids that

891
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: may not know this. There was a stigma at the time.

892
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: Was being polite in saying there was a stigma that

893
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: African American quarterbacks could not win in the NFL. That

894
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,479
Speaker 1: is a very real thing. We heard it on TV,

895
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: we heard it on radio, I heard it in broadcast,

896
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: we heard it from analysis. I know we got to

897
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: let you go, But what does it mean for you

898
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: as a pioneer that that stigma is now in many

899
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: ways broken.

900
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's one of the things I'm most proud of

901
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 7: that I was able to do play in the game

902
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 7: that I was able to.

903
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 3: Change some of that stigma, change some of.

904
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 7: That stereotype about whether we could be top like quarterbacks, whether.

905
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 3: We could lead teams.

906
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 7: You know, Doug winning a Super Bowl in eighty eight

907
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 7: kind of dispelled any of that, whether we could win

908
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 7: the big, big game or not. The consistency of my

909
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 7: career I had a whole lot to do with being

910
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 7: at the top for a long time. So yeah, there

911
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 7: were a lot of things we did to kind of

912
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 7: blow that stuff out of the water. And now you

913
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 7: look what's happening in the game today, with you know,

914
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 7: with Lamar winning two MVPs, with you know, Patrick winning

915
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 7: three Super Bowls. I can go on and on with

916
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,479
Speaker 7: all the accomplishments of African Americans. I kind of stick

917
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 7: my chest out just a little bit every time I

918
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 7: see these guys excel because I feel like I had

919
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 7: a little a little part in making that happen.

920
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 3: You did.

921
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: I say this every time I get the chance interview.

922
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for all the things I yelled at you.

923
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: When you beat the Rams, y'all make some new noise

924
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: for war Moon winning us. Absolutely appreciation.

925
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 7: Great to talk to you, guys, thank you.

926
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio and we're back

927
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: just like that. There's no break, there will be no break.

928
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 3: We're going.

929
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: He's like, I got I'm Jason Fitzi's Marvin Prince's part

930
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: of Dan Patrick. You see him all the time. Do

931
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: I call you a Danett?

932
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 8: Then?

933
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,479
Speaker 1: Is that like your official Damn?

934
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 3: All right, we'll go with the worst Dante. Yeah.

935
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know if i'd say the word, like, so, like,

936
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 1: what's the orientation? Like this is because you're the newest

937
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: dan right, so like when you're a new Danet, like

938
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: do you have to go through there's some hazing? Is

939
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: there dan edding that goes on?

940
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 3: Dan Eddy.

941
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 1: We're making no new words.

942
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 9: I don't know if there's hazing per se, but it

943
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 9: is like, uh, random pies in the face and stuff

944
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 9: like that. So at first it was a little weird,

945
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 9: but you know, I'm completely used to it now and

946
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 9: uh it's like, yeah, there's there's some small hazing, but

947
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 9: you know, nothing too crazy.

948
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 3: Did Dave have a test for you?

949
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: Was it like, yeah, did he did you have to pass?

950
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 3: You know, just the just the thing, you.

951
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 9: Know, I became an official Danette when I got my

952
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 9: first pie in the face, and so he's like, all right,

953
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 9: now you're an official Danette. I lost in the family

954
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 9: and got a pie to the face, and I was

955
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 9: I was in.

956
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: At what point can you reciprocate the pie to the

957
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 1: face to Dan?

958
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 9: So if you bet on you know whatever, the super

959
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 9: Bowl or whatever, yes you win, you get to hit him.

960
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when you're the new guy, are you hitting

961
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: the guy that pays your bills in the face for

962
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: the pie? I just say it like i'd be a

963
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: little uncomfortable.

964
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 2: Oh no, normally not me. It's gonna be somebody else. No, no,

965
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: I said, look, I just got this job.

966
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: I just got here.

967
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 9: No, no, no, save that for you know, Paul Yer

968
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 9: seeing one of those guys that's been there from from

969
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 9: the attic days.

970
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,479
Speaker 1: See, this is a smart move. If he wins a bet,

971
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: heke sit over to somebody who's reverences. I'm just gonna

972
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: need you to handle this, right.

973
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: He hates it perfect, Yeah, like I just got here.

974
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: Let me you know, I just got used to this

975
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: new lifestyle. No, no, no, I don't want to mess it up.

976
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 2: What's the best Dan Patrick movie?

977
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 3: His performance in it? Yes, just go with it. He

978
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 3: has he has a.

979
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 9: Really big part in it, and he's really good and

980
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 9: he's really sharp.

981
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: So are we gonna say it was did he do

982
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 1: a good job? Oh yeah, he's got to say yes,

983
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: this iss worthy.

984
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: I know who pays the bills.

985
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: Just go with it.

986
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 2: That is okay, no pun attending the irony?

987
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 3: All right?

988
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: So what's the one he hypes too much? Like, what's

989
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: the one that you're like, Ah, it's okay.

990
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 2: Does he hype one? I don't if he hypes one?

991
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 9: He talks about, uh, his appearance in the grown Ups,

992
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 9: and I've never seen it so strong?

993
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: Does he know? You've never seen it until now now, but.

994
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 9: Now we know who knows. I've never seen grimes. So

995
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 9: what where did you grow up?

996
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: And your whole child I want to go into your

997
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: childhood because that's what led you to hear. People don't

998
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: realize they go, well, did you did you study for?

999
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: No?

1000
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: You lived for this moment. You were always supposed to be.

1001
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: He was supposed to be an incredible musician and an

1002
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: incredible sportsman.

1003
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: So it was in the cards. Tell us about yours?

1004
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 9: Yes, So I grew up in a small town right

1005
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 9: outside of Hartford, Connecticut.

1006
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 1: Which one, which one East Harford?

1007
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 8: Okay, I in Britain, That's okay, all right, So grew

1008
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 8: up outside of there in sports was everything to me

1009
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 8: and playing it, and you know, I had like an

1010
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 8: sports encyclopedia.

1011
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 9: And I was one of those guys where like I

1012
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 9: was raised by my mom and my grandmother, and my

1013
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 9: grandmother would be like Marvin, come over here and show

1014
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 9: them all that sport, you know, and be stuff like that, right,

1015
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 9: like she didn't know anything about sports. I'll tell about

1016
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 9: the football that, you know, and it'd be you know,

1017
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 9: who won the ninety won MVP Award, Therma Thomas or

1018
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 9: something like that. Yeah, yeah, you know, so I knew

1019
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 9: all that stuff coming up, and I was like basically

1020
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,959
Speaker 9: like a human encyclopedia. And you know, it's crazy being

1021
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 9: on the show with Dan because I would watch Dan

1022
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 9: at a VHS of him what Isaiah Thomas when he

1023
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 9: used to do a show called the NBA's Greatest Game

1024
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 9: and it was talking about Isaiah Thomas in the eighty

1025
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 9: eight finals on a sprained ankle, and like I have

1026
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 9: that on VHS and to be with him, you know,

1027
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 9: and you know, you guys know this.

1028
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 3: You try not to get jaded, like, look at what

1029
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: we do exactly. Yeah.

1030
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: I never want to be like, oh I gotta go

1031
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: to work.

1032
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 3: Look at what I do. I saw my check. I

1033
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 3: was like, oh, this is what I do. Man, this

1034
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 3: is crazy.

1035
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: And it's every every these moments, right like we just

1036
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: sat with one and move right crazy.

1037
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, to do us. I'm ensure you.

1038
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: You've interviewed the greats of the greats, and it never

1039
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: gets old. It's always exciting. It's always interesting because you

1040
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: love it, man, right, and it happens. Uh seen always

1041
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 2: says what a world.

1042
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 9: Because we had an argument once in an argument, a

1043
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 9: heated debate on the show about like Reggie Miller and

1044
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 9: Reggie Miller was coming on the show in an hour.

1045
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 9: That's like, it's crazy the fact that we're talking about

1046
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 9: Reggie Miller.

1047
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: What was the argument and having it back and forth.

1048
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: Well, I was saying that he's kind of underrated in

1049
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: a sense because he is right. Yet he had five

1050
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: All Star Games, dude, but lay underrated. The All Star

1051
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: Games were spread out over a ten year stretch. You

1052
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: all start getting nothing to do with it either, Nobody listen.

1053
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,959
Speaker 2: He got I covered for the post. I covered those

1054
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: those series between Indiana Nick's Indiana.

1055
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: Bulls, and it was only because of.

1056
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: Mic that he never got his due. Yeah, no, and like,

1057
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: so that's what I was saying.

1058
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 9: I was like, guys, and I know people were, oh,

1059
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 9: he what he only did against the Knicks and those

1060
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 9: two you know, I was like, no, I was like

1061
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 9: a lot of people forget Reggie's Pacers took Mike's Bulls

1062
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 9: the seven games and they were up in the fourth

1063
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 9: quarter three minutes ago. Even we looked and Larry Bird

1064
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 9: Bench Jalen Rose and never.

1065
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 1: But this is the exact conversation we were just having

1066
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: them born about how context matters if you want to

1067
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: make everything about wins and losses, right, and like, life

1068
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: is not that simple. It's a team game. And sometimes

1069
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: you can be amazing at this team game and your

1070
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: team still loses. So like, as the society, we've become

1071
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: so obsessed with whether or not it's in the win

1072
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: loss or the win column or the loss column, and

1073
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: they're just that eliminates all contexts. And I'll go back

1074
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: to music, like I remember we put out a song

1075
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: with the Vamperry at one point that peaked at number two,

1076
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: And I'll never forget. We were on the bus and

1077
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: it was the number two song of the country charts,

1078
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: and we were so angry because we didn't hit number one.

1079
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: And there was this moment where it felt like that

1080
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: single was an epic fail because it didn't.

1081
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 3: Go number one.

1082
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: Now I'm older and I look back and I'm like, mother, God,

1083
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: we had the number two songs in the country and

1084
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: we treated it that way. Yeah, that's what we're doing.

1085
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: The sports. It's so stupid to turn around and be like, well,

1086
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 1: you either won the chip or you're useless. There has

1087
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: to be some in between on.

1088
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 9: All Oh, I always say that, And when people say, oh,

1089
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 9: Lebron's four and six in the finals, I said four

1090
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 9: to six and the what no, keep going four six?

1091
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 3: And the what you say? First round?

1092
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 9: Because people forget, oh he got swept. I said, look,

1093
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 9: and I don't want to be this guy. I was like, look,

1094
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 9: Kobe got swept in the second round. You don't say

1095
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 9: anything about that.

1096
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: So I was like, it's all context, right, and it's

1097
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 2: a whole different animal. So I give exactly what you got.

1098
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: Go back to Reggie. Could you name Reggie's five? I mean,

1099
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: look who we had, right, Mark Jackson was the point

1100
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: guard Antonio Davis Dale Davis Rick Smith's amazing, right, Like,

1101
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 2: look look at that team.

1102
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 3: Is that a great team?

1103
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: We're Scottie Pippen, I'm missing them right, right, Like you

1104
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: look at they were all good Plyers and they played

1105
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 2: as a cohesive five. But give me a break. Like

1106
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 2: that's where Reggie gets lost in context. We were just

1107
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: talking to Warrem Moon, right, Warren Moon's defense. We were

1108
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: told about the Oilers defense.

1109
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: No, the Oiler's.

1110
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 9: Defense was horrible, right, and they were so the Oilers

1111
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 9: were so close so many times the Buffalo Bills come

1112
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 9: back against them. It was against the Oilers, and warn't

1113
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 9: they were slinging it and the three.

1114
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 3: Frank like that sounds.

1115
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 9: People always say twenty eight three, which is impressive, but

1116
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 9: thirty five. I'm was just like, I can't even believe this.

1117
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 9: I remember that's one of the first seasons like I

1118
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 9: was watching football with like regularity, and I just couldn't

1119
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 9: even believe it. I thought I was all right, Houston,

1120
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 9: I like, you know, war Moon, I like the uniforms.

1121
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: So I was in So let's talk about working for

1122
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 1: a legend, right, And I'll go back to my beginning

1123
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 1: days of ESPN. My first show is this small college

1124
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 1: football show on ESPN with Mike Gola Junior, who's still

1125
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: like a brother to me. And I'll never forget my

1126
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 1: first time on campus Mike Golic Senior came up. Didn't

1127
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 1: know him. I didn't know him at all, and Senior

1128
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: came up. He was like, hey, man, I really love

1129
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: your work. They're doing a great job. And then about

1130
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: a month later, they're like, hey, Mike and Mike are

1131
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: taking the day off, do you want to come up

1132
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: and host with Junior? And that all came because Senior

1133
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: embraced me. Before you know it, I'm on the morning

1134
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: show with the mics, right. It was surreal for me,

1135
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: and it was difficult, if we're being honest, it was

1136
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: difficult for me at times to push back to Senior

1137
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: if I didn't like his opinion, because I'm sitting there

1138
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: and I'm like, how do I push back to this

1139
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: person that's a broadcast Hall of Famer that is changing

1140
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 1: my life? You know, Like I really struggled that first

1141
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: six months on that show to get my footing. How

1142
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: has it been for you to try and find your

1143
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: footing with an established show where you're the new Guy,

1144
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: but you also grew up watching it.

1145
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 3: Oh. I felt the exact same way.

1146
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 9: Where there's certain topics where I was like, man, I

1147
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 9: really want to push back on this, and I just

1148
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 9: kind of wanted just to stay back, right. I just

1149
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 9: want to you know, quote unquot like stay in my lane.

1150
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 9: And later, you know, DP he welcomes the back and forth.

1151
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: He's like, no, because if you have something to say

1152
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: that's different than me, Like, that's what makes that's the show.

1153
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: That's the show, right, and it doesn't want to be

1154
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: you know a ton of Oh, I agree with everything

1155
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 2: you say. Dan, that's not interesting, that's not that's not

1156
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 2: good TV. And so we got into it. I was

1157
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: I'm a big Kevin Durant fan.

1158
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 9: Like offensively, I was like, man, he's the greatest offensive

1159
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 9: weapon ever. And Dan's like, are you crazy. He's like

1160
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 9: Kareem ab dudes, Jubar And we got into like a

1161
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 9: good bad but it was a great discussion. And I

1162
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 9: was just talking about, you know, Katie's versatility as far

1163
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 9: as he doesn't need somebody to set a screen for him.

1164
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 9: He could just pull up, you know, he's a seven

1165
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 9: foot two guard. Three over every shoot over everybody you know,

1166
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 9: crossover pull up off the dribble, right, So we got

1167
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 9: into that back and forth and Dan was like, look,

1168
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 9: the skyhook is just onside.

1169
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: I was like, you'll get no argument for me. That

1170
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 2: is unstopped.

1171
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 9: But I was just saying as far as the entire

1172
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 9: eight yeah, yeah, it was like it's automatic, it's unbelievable.

1173
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 9: So you know, that's what we've gotten into it. And

1174
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 9: because it's never anything like disrespectful, Yeah, but it's still like,

1175
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 9: you're going back and forth with this guy that you

1176
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 9: grew up watching.

1177
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: So has there been a moment that he's like, again,

1178
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: I'll go back to Goli Senior. We have teases in

1179
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: this business. So we're going into a break and the guy,

1180
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: the producer, written an awful tease and I botched the

1181
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: reading of it. It was awful, and I remember going

1182
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: to break and I was like, man, that was just

1183
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: a bad tease on the screen. I read it and

1184
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: Senior stopped me in the middle of it. He's like, Nope,

1185
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: came out of your mouth. And it came out of

1186
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: your mouth and you didn't like it, then you should

1187
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: have written something. You got to be prepared. Never let

1188
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: somebody else impact your future. One of the best lessons

1189
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: I ever learned. Like after that, I wrote my own everything, right, Like,

1190
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: has there been a moment that DP has taught you

1191
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: something that you really feel like you'll take with you

1192
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: the rest of your career?

1193
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely. So a lot of times.

1194
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 9: So I run the board on the show, right, it's

1195
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 9: you know, other than giving opinions and so, like you're

1196
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 9: the last line of defense, right, So if something's still

1197
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 9: playing or the commercial log isn't right, like, it's on you,

1198
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 9: right and so and also like small like double checking,

1199
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 9: like make sure this is the right sound. Hey, so

1200
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 9: grab that sound from Lebron on such and such for.

1201
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: Anyone that doesn't know. Sound is kept in a computer

1202
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: and they're all numbered. So you press one number that's wrong,

1203
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: and if you're pulling out and it's a long number,

1204
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: it'll be like four four four one five one yes.

1205
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: And so if you type one number wrong four four

1206
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 1: four one five two, all of a sudden and its

1207
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 1: butt and like instead of hearing Lebron, you're getting somebody

1208
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: going in the back. Sorry, I just screwed up this

1209
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: whole segment.

1210
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 9: Yep, Like you're getting Anthony Davis, Like oh no, that

1211
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 9: wasn't it. And you guys know this, like if you

1212
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 9: mess up on something like sometimes for me, like it's

1213
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 9: hard to sleep that because.

1214
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 3: Like you're always figured about that.

1215
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 2: We are, Like you liked sports, so we all played

1216
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: or did whatever competitively. You're nobody's more competitive than you

1217
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,919
Speaker 2: and you want to win.

1218
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 9: Yeah, and that wins meets perfection, right, and then I

1219
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 9: don't want to like mess up what he's built, right,

1220
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 9: I just want to I just want to come in

1221
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 9: and you know, play my position and do the best

1222
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 9: I possibly can. And so and luckily he's kept me

1223
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 9: around and he likes me for now. So you know,

1224
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 9: things have been things have been really good.

1225
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 3: So good.

1226
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 9: Congratulations, Yeah, man, thank you guys who were your squads?

1227
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 9: So I'm a forty nine Ers fan and I grew

1228
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 9: up in Connecticut and so growing up in.

1229
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 3: Connectic for violation, violation, So growing up, so grow up

1230
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 3: in Connecticut. It's funny.

1231
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 9: My grandmother was like, you should like the New England Patriots. Yeah,

1232
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 9: and this is nineteen ninety four. I was like, they're

1233
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:49,919
Speaker 9: never gonna be good.

1234
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they sucked, I was, And so nineteen eighty four

1235
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: it's Steve Young it's Sherry Rice, And it's either Cowboys

1236
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 2: forty nine ers Row on TV every week and pre

1237
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 2: NFL s Steve Young and your grandmam was right, but

1238
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 2: in hindsight, yeah, you're right.

1239
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 3: Graham was usually right.

1240
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so but it's either of that, and like

1241
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 2: and I I was like, oh, Drew bledsoel, I like

1242
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 2: ben Cots, you gotta persevere. Yeah, grandma was trying to

1243
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 2: push away, like, listen, we get no choice of who

1244
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 2: we root for. Because if you're born in a place,

1245
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: you're you're connected to the soil. It's the soil. It's

1246
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 2: not like he'll go it's free country. Yeah, of course

1247
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: it is. But if you're gonna be true to the soil,

1248
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 2: that sponge you.

1249
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. But here's my pushback. The soil in Connecticut is

1250
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: not the same as the soil in Boston, right, So,

1251
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: like I'm just saying, like, even though the Patriots are on.

1252
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 2: TV, but like Connecticut's cutting half right if you.

1253
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: Could so, he could have picked the Giants or the

1254
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: Jets also, but.

1255
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 2: He's you were more central North, so the central central

1256
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: Connecticut you're kind of in that.

1257
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 3: It's like Jersey so very much.

1258
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 9: It's like in the Middle sojer like past hard Jersey

1259
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 9: is Giants, Jets and the Eagles. Yes, it's cut off

1260
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 9: by the exit at the and it's sometimes like you

1261
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 9: know this Foxborough.

1262
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 3: Remember Foxboro is not near Boston. No, it's not. It's

1263
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 3: not near anything.

1264
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: Foxborough is not near anything, and it's right to get

1265
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: in it.

1266
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 2: So a lot of people you fly into Rhode Island,

1267
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 2: yeah to go to Foxborough.

1268
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 3: Like you don't even fly into Massachusetts. Yeah.

1269
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: So my humble brag. My buddy is the drummer for

1270
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, and he was like, you should come to

1271
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: the Foxborough show. And I was like, over my dead body,

1272
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: there's never a reason I will go to Foxborough.

1273
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 3: Getting in. Getting out is the worst.

1274
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: Even if the Raiders playing Foxboro, I'll be like, I'll

1275
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: watch it on TV. Thank you, I'm out.

1276
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 3: I'm out. Yeah.

1277
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 2: My number one team is Yukon men's basketball.

1278
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 3: I went there. You know that's my squad. It's awesome.

1279
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 3: I was there in four. It's going to school there

1280
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 3: back to back to back.

1281
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna go back to back to back.

1282
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 3: They got there, they got a squad.

1283
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: I'm is the school hitting you up yet? For money?

1284
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: Let's be real like you got you're on Dan Patrick,

1285
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: like you you graduated from there. So they got that

1286
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: they got to pay for Hurley somehow.

1287
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 9: So so they did an article on me in the

1288
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 9: magazine a few months back. You know, since I've been

1289
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 9: on the show and somebody that writes.

1290
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 3: On the show.

1291
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: They were like, oh, you should be able to be

1292
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,439
Speaker 2: in the magazine. I mean all right, I mean I'll

1293
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 2: have the extra money to give you for you know,

1294
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 2: they think I'm they think I'm distinguished.

1295
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 3: Alan I was like, no, I relax, I just got here.

1296
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: Are we convinced that dani Orlowski single handedly is paying

1297
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: for the Connecticut football program?

1298
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 2: He's not reading, then he's got to pay more.

1299
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.

1300
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 2: Dan, he's got to pay more because nah, he's.

1301
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: The easiest ticket you'll ever find a college football is

1302
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: a Connecticut football game?

1303
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 9: Oh oh they're giving it away, yes, and still you

1304
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 9: don't want it.

1305
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: I've lived around Bandy and I've lived around Connecticut. I'm

1306
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: not sure which is the worst spot that on a Saturday.

1307
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 2: That's a toss up because ukon football.

1308
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: But you got basketball, you got Menza?

1309
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 3: Are you do a Celtics guy? No?

1310
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 9: Actually, I'm not my son's right there, Lakers.

1311
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: So the Connecticut guy, to recap him, is a forty

1312
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: nine Ers fan and a Lakers fan, not even Golden State.

1313
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: Like you're just picking and choosing dominant franchises.

1314
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 3: So that's amazing.

1315
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: You're like, hey, who's got a bunch of rings? That's

1316
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: where we're going.

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00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 3: I'm I mean.

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00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 9: The only thing is yu count wasn't good when I

1319
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 9: was growing up, and so my aunt went there in

1320
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 9: the late eighties and so we were always going there

1321
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 9: at to gamble when they weren't good.

1322
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 3: So I always feel good about that.

1323
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 2: But may like I was like, I like Shack, I'll

1324
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 2: take the Lakers and stuff like that, but the Celtics were.

1325
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's still not an era, like the Celtics being

1326
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: bad Toofer.

1327
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 2: Like Kevin gamble and I don't know we're doing.

1328
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 3: Here like this.

1329
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: And I've talked to Dan about this, like there are rules?

1330
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 3: Are us?

1331
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: What is losing sleep tonight?

1332
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 3: He's gonna be.

1333
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 9: I'm really, But the thing is as long as I

1334
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 9: prefer like Connecticut, because Connecticut for us is like that's

1335
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 9: that's the Celtics.

1336
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 3: That's not Connecticut though, if.

1337
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: You were for Yukon, yeah, no, no, no, I get think

1338
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: you got like, yes, we all understand this, we just

1339
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: don't just we don't agree.

1340
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 2: You're trying to go loopholes. You gotta see that, you

1341
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 2: guys call that all right?

1342
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: Sorry Gogana, we'll catch a loophole to an infraction.

1343
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 3: No, I was I was trying.

1344
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: But nah, wait man, we appreciate, we appreciate you stopping by,

1345
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: even though we don't appreciate your your fantom and if

1346
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: you like, if you're gonna wear this shirt, you gotta

1347
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: say it once like oh I.

1348
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 2: Could feel it in my plums.

1349
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 3: I did.

1350
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: Thanks for had out, but hey, I appreciate.

1351
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 3: Hey, you guys so much, really appreciate it. It's great bar.

1352
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 2: This man has played in over a thousand NBA games,

1353
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 2: all right, one thousand and thirty nine.

1354
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 3: I think something like that.

1355
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 2: We were told about a consummate pro, a guy that

1356
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 2: those every NBA looking cranny, former number one overall pick Turp.

1357
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 3: He is the great Joe Smith. What's up?

1358
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 6: Joe nothing mice? Thank you guys for having me.

1359
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna start by taking us off the rails

1360
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: with this story. But yes you don't know, okay, So

1361
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm PG County throw and through. People don't know that

1362
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: I went to high school in Pooey, Maryland, so in

1363
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: ninety five, graduated class in ninety five. But I was

1364
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: telling Joe a minute ago. We used to like to

1365
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: raise money for the high schools. You could do concession

1366
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: sales at the old Colefield House, like the old Turp

1367
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: Stadium or Terps Arena. So what we used to do

1368
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: is we used to like say we were gonna do that.

1369
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: We had no interest. And that was back when like

1370
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: Maryland Douke cames like right, couldn't get a ticket, so

1371
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: that was almost the one we would fight for him,

1372
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: were like yep, and then we would show me like no,

1373
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: we're not selling anything, and we would just gonna stand

1374
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: by the side and like so no concessions came out.

1375
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: Like we got so mad at us, Like I think

1376
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: we did it four or five times in not even

1377
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: you know, like we're like, no, we're going to watch

1378
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: the games because like you got the number one overall pick,

1379
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: you got and dominate basketball team like that was such

1380
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,919
Speaker 1: a special era. So I gotta tell you man straight out,

1381
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: it's an honor to get to talk to you because

1382
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: I have, like I watched you play.

1383
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 3: So much I appreciate that means a lot. That means

1384
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 3: a lot.

1385
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 6: I mean, it was some fun times up at cole

1386
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 6: field House, and you know cole Fieldhouse was. People gave

1387
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 6: Cameron Indoor a lot of credit for how active and

1388
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 6: how loud they were, but cole Fieldhouse was just as loud.

1389
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 6: I mean students section we held fourteen to five, fourteen

1390
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 6: thousand and five hundred students. And then when we come

1391
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 6: back from the road, just to see how the students

1392
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 6: were camping out waiting for game tickets, like you say,

1393
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 6: wait for game tickets.

1394
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 3: And and and and.

1395
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 6: Meeting us as we come in off the road from

1396
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 6: wins on the road. It was tremendous up on campus

1397
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:53,439
Speaker 6: and it was a fun time.

1398
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: I think people realize how special Maryland basketball god in

1399
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: that moment. And that's one of the reasons why I

1400
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: was bummed when Realignment started to take him out of

1401
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: the conference, because I looked at her and it's like, man,

1402
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't think you understand how much basketball. Like I

1403
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: live in Connecticut now, I know how much Yukon means

1404
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: to Connecticut. That's how much that Terps basketball team meant

1405
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: to Maryland, and that in.

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01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 6: That era exactly, and it was I mean, it was

1407
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 6: a lot of fun. I mean, the thing about it

1408
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 6: is a couple of years before I got there, Maryland

1409
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 6: was on probation. So when I signed and chose to

1410
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 6: go to Maryland, that was like the biggest question I

1411
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 6: was getting, like why.

1412
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 3: They just got a probation.

1413
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 6: But what I saw was I saw it was a

1414
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 6: perfect fit for myself to go in with Johnny Rose,

1415
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 6: extry Boot extray Hip and Dwayne Simpkins who was all

1416
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 6: freshman the year before I got there, So there were

1417
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 6: sophomores when I was going in, and then myself and

1418
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 6: Keith Booth was able to come in and kind of

1419
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 6: fit right in and filled the mode and and made

1420
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 6: that team what it was. And it was a lot

1421
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 6: of fun, and it was it was college basketball. It

1422
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 6: was the best I mean you would have told about

1423
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 6: back then. Was it was the rivals you bring up

1424
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 6: obviously Duke you guys and Duke and she State kind

1425
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 6: of line like up and down. Georgetown's not far like

1426
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 6: that was like the mecca of college basketball exactly. And

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01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 6: h That's something I always like growing up. I always

1428
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 6: wanted to play in the A SEC because you always

1429
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 6: I'm from Virginia. Yeah, and you always see those ACC battles,

1430
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. You see the Maryland, you

1431
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 6: see Carolina's and duke battles and Wake Forest and Georgia

1432
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 6: Tech and all those guys included you know in Virginia.

1433
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 6: You know, those battles were epic and that's why I

1434
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 6: chose to go to That's another reason why I chose

1435
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 6: to go to Maryland because they were in the a

1436
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 6: CEC and that was a conference that I always wanted

1437
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 6: to play with play in.

1438
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 2: If you know, I mean it was the East were

1439
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 2: the best comedy. Oh yeah, exactly. The ACC was the

1440
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 2: great See Big East, which the greatest.

1441
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 6: My first game you bring up Georgetown. My first game

1442
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 6: in Maryland was against Georgetown.

1443
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that was like a play add all right,

1444
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 3: twenty six and ten.

1445
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 6: You know, that was the first game as a freshman,

1446
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 6: and you know, that was a big rivalry and that

1447
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 6: that's something that that hadn't been played in years. So

1448
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 6: when they bought that rivalry back together, it was Gary

1449
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 6: Williams against John Thompson. Yeah, and you know it was

1450
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 6: a rivalry that that really intensive. No, he wasn't on

1451
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 6: that team. Yet it was my freshman year front freshman year,

1452
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 6: so I wasn't at George Sound yet a year at

1453
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 6: o'dello Harrington. Yeah, the point guard was brown.

1454
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 3: And read uh. Yes, they had red squad.

1455
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 6: Herrnson just came off of a big East Rookie of

1456
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 6: the Year year before.

1457
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 3: So it was it was it was quite a quite

1458
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 3: a battle brought into it.

1459
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 2: And then did you actually play with Ai when you

1460
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 2: were in Philadelphia? Right?

1461
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:48,919
Speaker 3: I played with Ai.

1462
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 6: Actually we grew up playing together, and you guys know

1463
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 6: what you bought together. Actually, my one of the biggest

1464
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 6: high school games was my high school against his high

1465
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 6: school and the regionals.

1466
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was like, I.

1467
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: Mean, wait, wait, wait, what the heck is that? Like,

1468
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: you show up the high school basketball game, You're like

1469
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fine. You're like, never mind, I quit,

1470
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: I can't handle that.

1471
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, two future number one picks out there, and that's why,

1472
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 6: you know, I mean, it were wasesome.

1473
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 3: It was like standing room only. Man.

1474
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 6: The crowd was intense. His school was intense. My school

1475
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 6: was intense. And it was actually the regionals games, so

1476
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 6: whoever won that game was going to state. They ended

1477
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 6: up beating us by two but yeah, they end up

1478
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 6: it went in by two. But it was it was

1479
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 6: great competition. I'm telling you right now.

1480
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 3: There were some thirty for thirty that's stoney. There's some

1481
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 3: age Oh yeah, for sure. Sure.

1482
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,439
Speaker 6: And then a few years later I became the number

1483
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 6: one pick in nineteen ninety five and he became the

1484
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 6: number one pick in ninety six.

1485
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 3: So yeah, so it was awesome. I'm telling you.

1486
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: There was some kid there that was looking at I

1487
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: was like, now, I'm not gonna play no. Fine, So

1488
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: let me ask you though about college basketball as a whole,

1489
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: all right, because while we're talking about this, it is

1490
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: a little kid. I was in Vegas during the Larry

1491
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: Johnson Stacey Augman be this right then in high school.

1492
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: I'm in Maryland. Things were different then, right, Like you

1493
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: had time to build, you had time to construct, Fans

1494
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: fell in love with players. Now in the one and

1495
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: done to to and done society, like it just feels

1496
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: like everything's churning burn How does college basketball figure out

1497
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 1: how to get the relationship back with the fans and

1498
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: the players when the players cycle out so quickly.

1499
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 6: I think they're they're kind of figuring it out now

1500
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 6: with like the N I L deals and stuff like that,

1501
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 6: because most of the time players leaving because of financial reasons,

1502
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 6: you know. So I think now, you know about bringing

1503
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 6: the N I L deals and having guys be able

1504
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 6: to you know, get some get some type of insurance

1505
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 6: will allow them to stick around and you know, get that,

1506
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 6: get that degree and you know, further the education.

1507
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 3: But a lot.

1508
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 6: Of during my time, I came out as a sophomore,

1509
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 6: and it was because of financial reasons for my family

1510
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 6: and reasons like that.

1511
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: But you're on a risk, I mean, I mean, you

1512
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 1: set up now, maybe you had to.

1513
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I had to, by mean, and it was it

1514
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 6: was I still think I could have played another year

1515
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 6: or two, and then you still you'd got in the bag,

1516
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 6: like yeah, real, to be real, I tried to beat

1517
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 6: the rookie salary way salary scale.

1518
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah. My FuMB year was a year that they.

1519
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 6: Put that salary scale there, and I tried to jump

1520
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 6: out ahead of that and beat that.

1521
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 3: You know, that was the reason why I left after

1522
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 3: the sophomore year.

1523
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 6: But unfortunately they still hit me with it, and you know,

1524
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 6: I still got caught with it.

1525
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: You guys were also the exception to the rule then,

1526
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: like it was rare for a player to be able

1527
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 1: to just pop out. Now it feels like everybody pops out.

1528
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 1: Are kids ready, though, in your mind to make the

1529
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: transition from like, cause I think like I grew up

1530
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: in the music world, Right, there's a much different beast

1531
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: when you're a sixteen year old kid that's like, I'm

1532
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: going to be a musician, and then all of a

1533
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: sudden you're trying to earn against grown ass men. Right,

1534
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: there's a difference of that. So are kids ready to

1535
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: take that step in your mind when they go into

1536
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: the league.

1537
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 6: I wasn't ready. I mean, you know, I don't think nobody.

1538
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 6: Nobody's ready. That's it's something that you have to learn

1539
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 6: off experience, you know. And I was nineteen when I

1540
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 6: got drafted, twenty years old when I first played my

1541
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 6: first game. But it's something that you really have to

1542
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 6: learn off, learn from experience. I mean, I won't tell

1543
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 6: anybody that has the talent to take it to that

1544
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 6: next level not to.

1545
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 3: Do it right.

1546
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 6: You know, I'll always you know, give guys inspiration and

1547
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 6: motivation and want to fulfill that dream. But you know,

1548
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 6: it's learning off experience, and you have to surround yourself,

1549
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 6: you know, with with good people people that's not just

1550
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 6: willing just just trying to take and take and take,

1551
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 6: but willing to see you grow and progress as not

1552
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 6: just as a basketball player, but as a great individual

1553
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 6: off the court as well.

1554
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 2: Even your game right, Like, think about it, you're like

1555
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 2: a half baked pie coming out exactly exactly, maturity level,

1556
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 2: you're breat the understanding the game, like when you're staying like,

1557
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 2: I can only imagine your game would have been even more.

1558
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 3: Pop polished, exactly exactly.

1559
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 6: And that's that's the thing that we all have to

1560
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 6: learn when we're trying to make that decision.

1561
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 3: You know, do we want.

1562
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 6: To stick around and you know, try to polish ourselves

1563
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 6: up a little bit more? Or is it that we're

1564
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 6: chasing chasing his dream? But as as a player, that's

1565
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 6: something you just have to process and go through as

1566
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 6: an individual player.

1567
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 2: Let's walk NBA. I mean, you played the thousand NBA games.

1568
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:21,600
Speaker 2: I mean that's an amazing feat. So of all the stops,

1569
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 2: I mean the stories that you must have, like and

1570
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 2: I love I love this, I love all here, all

1571
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 2: the stories.

1572
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 3: So take take me through your career right.

1573
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 10: And through each city and what kind of you remember,

1574
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 10: because she's like, it's it really is a treasure trove

1575
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 10: of stuff that I just want to hear you talk

1576
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 10: about them.

1577
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 6: I mean, obviously, first being drafted number one to the Warriors,

1578
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 6: it was a great experience. I mean, I was on

1579
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:54,879
Speaker 6: the team with Tim Hardaway, Chris Mullen, you know, got yeah, yeah, exactly.

1580
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 6: So the veterans I had on that team to the

1581
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 6: Trail s Freewell, the guys. The veterans I had on

1582
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 6: that team were experienced veterans and guys that's been been

1583
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 6: through all the battles, you know, So me coming in,

1584
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,719
Speaker 6: they can tell me how to prepare for back to backs,

1585
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 6: you know, they can help me prepare for practice and

1586
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 6: and how to get myself mentally ready for games and

1587
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:16,600
Speaker 6: things like that. And then from there I went on

1588
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 6: to Philadelphia for the first time for the first time.

1589
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 3: Man.

1590
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 6: You know, the thing about that is, like I said,

1591
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 6: Alan and I we grew up playing together, and that's

1592
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 6: something that we talked about as kids playing AAU basketball together.

1593
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 6: What did we both make it to the NBA and

1594
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 6: we play on the same team. When that happened, you know,

1595
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 6: in my third year in the NBA, Man, that was.

1596
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 3: It was like.

1597
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 6: Fulfilling at that time. I was like, we did when

1598
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 6: I got into that because I got traded there. So

1599
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 6: when I got there from the trade, I go into

1600
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 6: the locker room, he was like, here we go.

1601
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:49,560
Speaker 3: We didn't.

1602
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 6: Yo, we did it, you know. So we're on the

1603
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 6: same team now. And even though it was just and

1604
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 6: it was just for the remainder of that scene. So

1605
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 6: maybe made thirty games or so, and from that point on,

1606
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 6: I signed with Minnesota as a free agent.

1607
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 3: That's right side.

1608
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 6: I became a free agent side with Minnesota. And that

1609
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,759
Speaker 6: experience playing alongside Kevin Garnett was awesome.

1610
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 4: Man.

1611
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 2: It was like, uh when you might float together too,

1612
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 2: like when you you got you play well off in him.

1613
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, we I mean we had a great

1614
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 6: chemistry out there on the floor. He would play play

1615
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 6: the three, I would play the four, and you know,

1616
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 6: people would call us a twin town. And the things

1617
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 6: that we had, the things that we would always you know,

1618
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 6: tell each other, whether in practice and and and the games,

1619
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 6: is this is for life, you know that, you know,

1620
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 6: So not just what we're doing on the court right

1621
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 6: now it's special, but the bond that we're creating right

1622
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 6: now is for life. And that's something like I don't

1623
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 6: know if you guys saw when I saw him the

1624
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:52,679
Speaker 6: other day, you know, on the Instagram on Instagram or whatever.

1625
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 6: You know, just the connection that we had, the husband

1626
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 6: and love that we showed each other is awesome.

1627
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 3: Is awesome.

1628
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 6: Man, Having guys like that at a part of you know,

1629
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 6: my my career has been the Hall of Famer God

1630
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 6: that I was able to learn, learn how to prepare

1631
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:11,679
Speaker 6: for from just watching them out there in practice before practice,

1632
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 6: after practice, seeing how many shots he got up, seeing

1633
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 6: how you prepared, and his attitude and practice is the

1634
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 6: same as you get in the game, Like he's cussing

1635
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 6: people out all throughout practice. So that's that same attitude

1636
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 6: you get in the game.

1637
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 3: A little different than AI, a little different approach.

1638
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 6: So from there where did I go? I think from Minnesota.

1639
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,719
Speaker 6: I went to Milwaukee, so I had to. I'm sorry.

1640
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 6: I had that contract issue with Minnesota and my agent's

1641
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 6: splitting up and breaking up, so I had to deal

1642
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 6: with that as far as I had to. I was

1643
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 6: forced by the NBA because of things that they thought

1644
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 6: went under the table with Minnesota. I was forced with

1645
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 6: the NBA tea either one take the whole year year off,

1646
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 6: or two I will have to go play for another

1647
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 6: team and then I was able to come back to

1648
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 6: Minnesota Wyeah.

1649
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, so walk me through that, Walk me through

1650
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: that moment, right, because like, here you are and now

1651
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: you're in a situation. I think we can all speak

1652
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 1: to this. I sometimes you got agents that or doing

1653
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 1: exactly you don't even know what's going on. That's a

1654
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 1: very real like fancy or that, and they're like, ah no, no, no,

1655
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 1: Like I got an agent that handles my contracts. I

1656
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 1: don't deal with that, right, So, so what's that moment

1657
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: like for you where now all of a sudden you're

1658
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 1: in trouble of some sort and you're looking at it

1659
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 1: and saying, man, this is the game I love. This

1660
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 1: is a game that made me, and now you're telling

1661
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 1: me I got to do this.

1662
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:36,759
Speaker 6: I mean, that's probably the worst moment in my career

1663
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:40,679
Speaker 6: because that not just that, but at the same time,

1664
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 6: everybody's looking at you like it's your fault. Everybody's blaming you,

1665
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 6: pointing a finger. And some of the things that Minnesota

1666
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 6: had to deal with afterwards, like losing draft picks and

1667
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 6: things like that, you know, they automatically assumed that it

1668
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 6: was me that had, you know, had hands on dealings

1669
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:57,680
Speaker 6: with that. But it was, like you say, it was

1670
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:03,640
Speaker 6: the agents had to agents that work for partners and

1671
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 6: the partnership broke apart. Some players were with one agent,

1672
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 6: some players went with the other agent, and because they

1673
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,560
Speaker 6: had that deal under the table whatever with my contract,

1674
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 6: that they came to the forefront somehow in court and

1675
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 6: their court and their court litigations, and then all of

1676
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 6: a sudden, you know, if it falls back on me

1677
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 6: and the NBA is making me make a decision on

1678
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 6: whether I want to sit the entire year route or

1679
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 6: if I have to go somewhere else in place. I

1680
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 6: went and played with the Pistons for a year four year.

1681
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 6: At the end of that year, I signed back with Minnesota.

1682
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 3: That was wild, Yeah, it was.

1683
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,919
Speaker 1: I can't imagine, like cauld you work your whole life

1684
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: correct for reputation, correct for respect for legacy. These are

1685
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 1: things that I think fans don't realize how important it is.

1686
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: Sometimes like it's like the only the only calling card

1687
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: you have is like I want people to know that

1688
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: this is what I poured my life into life into

1689
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 1: so then to have perception change and you're looking around

1690
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 1: and saying, what the heck? Man, Like, that's just I

1691
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: can't imagine. I'm sorry you would through that like human moment.

1692
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:08,799
Speaker 1: That sucks.

1693
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I lived and learned learned from it.

1694
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:16,600
Speaker 6: After that, my career, you know kind of you know,

1695
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 6: became a role player with different teams that I played for,

1696
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 6: But I was still able to go out and be

1697
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 6: as productive as I could. Did you did you you

1698
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 6: love the game?

1699
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 3: It was?

1700
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 2: Was it just chasing? I just want to play. I

1701
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:32,680
Speaker 2: just want to I just want to bull.

1702
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 6: Like the business side of it can affect you. Like

1703
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 6: the business side of the game of basketball can't affect you, uh,

1704
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 6: you know, as far as your approach to games and

1705
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 6: things like that, because you know, after being traded or

1706
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 6: you know, after being moved around for so much, or

1707
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 6: I say things like what I went through with my

1708
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 6: contract in Minnesota.

1709
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 3: You know, things like that can't affect you.

1710
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 6: You know, mentally and how you how you prepare for

1711
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 6: the game and how you even go out there and

1712
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 6: play the game that because you realize that is not

1713
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 6: just a game anymore. You realize that it is you know,

1714
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 6: it's a business behind it and that really is what

1715
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 6: steeling the league at that time, So you kind of

1716
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 6: kind of have to put the game to the side

1717
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 6: and realize how much of a business it is and

1718
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:16,520
Speaker 6: start thinking with that mentality.

1719
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: When was the moment that you were able in your

1720
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: career to forget the number like drafted first overall, because

1721
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 1: I think that that's a heavy weight on a lot

1722
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: of athletes. So like, when were you able just to

1723
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 1: be like, that doesn't matter. I'm me and I love

1724
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: what I do.

1725
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 6: I would say after that situation with Minnesota, because even

1726
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 6: before I think that might have been my fourth or

1727
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 6: fifth year in the league. So even after that, before that,

1728
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 6: you know, you're still dealing with the number one pick,

1729
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 6: and you know having you.

1730
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 3: Know, teams treat you like, God, he's the number one pick.

1731
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 6: We're going at this guy, you know, because that's the

1732
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 6: mentality that players have you you're the number one pick,

1733
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 6: especially veteran guys that's been around for years. You know

1734
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:57,640
Speaker 6: that if you're the number one pick, you got to

1735
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 6: come in and prove yourself. So that's the you know,

1736
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 6: the first four or five years of my career, I

1737
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 6: felt like I had to go out there and prove

1738
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 6: myself after that thing in Minnesota, man, and I realized

1739
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 6: how much of a business it was. Then I realized,

1740
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 6: it's just focusing on being being as becoming as good

1741
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:19,680
Speaker 6: of a player as I can, but as much of

1742
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 6: a more important, even better person, because at the end

1743
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 6: of the day, once the game is, once the bass

1744
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 6: house bouncing and you know, you stop making shots, you

1745
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:30,600
Speaker 6: know you still have to you know, be able to

1746
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 6: relate and interact with people. So I just realized that

1747
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 6: at that point the business side of it. Me realized

1748
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 6: that I have to be able to when the game

1749
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 6: is over, be able to carry myself in a whole

1750
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 6: different manner and a whole another way where I'm able

1751
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 6: to interact and be able to talk to people.

1752
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 3: You know, the nuts too.

1753
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 2: It's like you look at the game the league now

1754
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 2: and how big the figure is unbelievable, right like right

1755
01:16:55,840 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 2: like the week you pleading was rough, man, I mean

1756
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 2: it was Abody's world, believe Yeah, the game itself, the

1757
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 2: way it was called, the life inside it, I mean

1758
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 2: it was different. That would listen. You know, it's a

1759
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 2: different world completely today, but that ten year period like

1760
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:18,679
Speaker 2: that way different.

1761
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, definitely. I mean from from the time I

1762
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:24,560
Speaker 6: got drafted. I mean I can see that. You know,

1763
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 6: I played sixteen years, so I played. I went through

1764
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 6: the process of how the NBA changed from ninety five

1765
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 6: to I retired twenty twelve, you know, so I witnessed

1766
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 6: the process and seeing how it went from as physical

1767
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 6: as you said was so you know, they.

1768
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 3: Changed the rules one year where you can't handcheck.

1769
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 6: Then you change the rule the next year where you

1770
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 6: can't bump, and then it changed, you know. So watching

1771
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 6: the game developing, I really loved it though. I mean

1772
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 6: I really love to see the development of the game

1773
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 6: and people asking me all the time what's the best

1774
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 6: part of it that I love?

1775
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 3: Is?

1776
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 6: I love saying how big men are now able to

1777
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 6: get the ball off the reels and take the ball

1778
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 6: down court themselves and I have to, you know, worry

1779
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,679
Speaker 6: about out letting it to a guard and then getting

1780
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:09,600
Speaker 6: out court and have to worry about getting positioned.

1781
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:11,640
Speaker 3: Now that was you, That was me.

1782
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean that skill you can shoot it?

1783
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, cause I'd like to see the game it

1784
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 6: is now, because you know, if people all the time

1785
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 6: post all the time, yeah, people always people ask me

1786
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 6: if I was you know, boring ten years later, would

1787
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 6: I be able to fit into this game today's game?

1788
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 6: And I'm like, with no problem, because that's the way

1789
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 6: I played, you know, and that's the way I approached

1790
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:33,679
Speaker 6: the game.

1791
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 1: You've played sixteen years, one thousan thirty nine games. What

1792
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 1: does longevity mean to you?

1793
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 3: I mean, it means a lot. It means a lot.

1794
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 6: And we have a conversation about this low managing stuff,

1795
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 6: you know all the time, and people always ask me

1796
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 6: what I load manage.

1797
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 3: I'm like, now, would never load manage?

1798
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 6: I mean, And that planning over a thousand games is

1799
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 6: proofd that that you know, I love the game. I

1800
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 6: love to play, I love the competition. And in order

1801
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 6: to keep me off that court, and this is this

1802
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 6: is the mentality of a lot of guys in the nineties.

1803
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 6: In order to get us off that court, we have

1804
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 6: to be, you know, falling apart. You know, leg you

1805
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 6: can't drag. You know leg is dragged. You know you

1806
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 6: have we you know, can't even get up and down

1807
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 6: the court. You know, that was just our mentality in

1808
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,759
Speaker 6: the nineties. And you know when you see guys taking

1809
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:22,640
Speaker 6: games off, that's really not dealing with serious injuries. You know,

1810
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 6: I hate to see it, and I think it affects,

1811
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 6: you know, the support that we get from the fans,

1812
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 6: you know, speaking that we had fanatics, But I think

1813
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 6: it really helps, you know, the support from the fans

1814
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 6: because you know, you got guys in different cities, different places,

1815
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 6: and that may only get to see you one time,

1816
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 6: one time that season, and if you go there and

1817
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 6: you're not even hurting and you're missing games, and I

1818
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 6: think that that affects the fandom as well.

1819
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 2: All right, Jo, I wouldn't ask it a couple of things.

1820
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 2: What did you learn? I want to go through a

1821
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 2: couple of players. Okay, what did you learn from Mike?

1822
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 2: What did he teach you from m J.

1823
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 6: It's funny because I have I have a blown up

1824
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 6: picture from my rookie year of after we placed Chicago,

1825
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 6: Mike and I walking off the court. He got his

1826
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 6: arm around me and he's sitting there. He's telling talking

1827
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 6: to me. And I've never told anyone, you know what

1828
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 6: he what he what he was saying, because I was

1829
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 6: you know, kept it, kept in the secret and kept

1830
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:24,560
Speaker 6: it close to heart. But I made uh just he

1831
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 6: he told me at that time. You know that you

1832
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 6: know he admired what I you know what I bring

1833
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:31,639
Speaker 6: to the table. And you know that just to keep

1834
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 6: continue to put the work in, continue to grind and

1835
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 6: and you know that the.

1836
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 3: Guy was the limit for me.

1837
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 6: And you know, hearing things like that from a guy

1838
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 6: like Michael Jordan Man that that that the greatest player

1839
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 6: of all time, you know that that's that's something special,

1840
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 6: that's something.

1841
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:46,679
Speaker 3: That you hold a heart.

1842
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 6: And you know when you that's a little lesson, you know,

1843
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 6: from from from somebody major like that, But it goes

1844
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 6: a long ways, man, And you know I learned that.

1845
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 3: I learned that from Mike.

1846
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 6: Just keep pushing, man, and and and put that work in,

1847
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 6: and you know, the skids are limit for you. Kobe

1848
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 6: Kobe work ethic, work ethic. He was one of the

1849
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 6: guys that they where they say Jim Rat. You know,

1850
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 6: he takes that to another level, right, you know, as

1851
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 6: far as his work ethic, as far as how many

1852
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 6: shots he get up, as far as you know, his

1853
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:24,679
Speaker 6: footwork and working on different moves and drills and drills

1854
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:27,639
Speaker 6: that he do. He was a complete gym rat. And

1855
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 6: he would you know, four or five in the morning.

1856
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 6: You hear you guys, hear the stories, you know, but

1857
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 6: to actually see it and witness it.

1858
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 3: You know, it's something special.

1859
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 6: Four or five in the morning, he's working out, then

1860
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 6: he codes to practice, then you know, maybe get another

1861
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 6: work out later that evening or that afternoon, and you know,

1862
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 6: you see, just seeing that and seeing the results of it,

1863
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 6: you know you can't help but to be like, man,

1864
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 6: I need to try to figure out how to get

1865
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 6: on the same page, you know, the same page as Kobe.

1866
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 6: So it's hard. You know, it's something that not all

1867
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 6: players want to do. But to see him and understand

1868
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 6: what he what he does to become the player that

1869
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 6: he became, you know, that was awesome. Kg KG an animal.

1870
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 6: You know, KG was a guy that hated to be denied,

1871
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 6: you know, regardless of who we were playing, regardless who

1872
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:20,679
Speaker 6: who they thought was better than him, or what teams

1873
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 6: they thought was better than us in Minnesota at the time,

1874
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 6: he refused to believe it. And that's something that carried

1875
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 6: on to us, Like as a team, when your leader

1876
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,879
Speaker 6: refused to believe that anybody's better, you know that nobody's

1877
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 6: better than You're going to feed off of that and

1878
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 6: you're going to go out there and approach the game like, oh,

1879
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 6: we're going to take care of business tonight because our

1880
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 6: leader says they're not better than us, and he goes

1881
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 6: out there and prove it. And he went out there

1882
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 6: with the attitude every night, with that attitude every night,

1883
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 6: regardless of who we're playing. We're playing the Lakers in

1884
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 6: Shaq and Kobe and all those guys in the playoffs.

1885
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 6: One year, and he's still out there, he's still going,

1886
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 6: you know, we got this.

1887
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 3: We go we're not losing tonight. We're not losing to night,

1888
01:22:59,360 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 3: you know.

1889
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 6: And then when you hear that we're going out there

1890
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 6: and we're going to they might beat us, but at

1891
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 6: the end of the night, we're going to go out

1892
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 6: there and give them a hell of a hell of

1893
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 6: a fight, and we're going to go out there and

1894
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 6: prove that we deserve to be there.

1895
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,560
Speaker 1: What if I asked somebody the same question about.

1896
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 3: You, about me?

1897
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, what does somebody learn from you? What did they

1898
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 1: take away from your career?

1899
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 6: I'm more of a leader by example, that type of

1900
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:30,679
Speaker 6: guy like I wasn't that vocal, up in your face type.

1901
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 6: God more, take no drills off, go hard every drill,

1902
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 6: go hard every practice. A guy that has my career

1903
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 6: went on that was able to pull younger guys in

1904
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 6: and and kind of teach them some of the ropes

1905
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 6: that I learned coming up from the veterans that I

1906
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 6: learned from. And a guy that's you know, well liked,

1907
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 6: well liked in the locker room. All the players I

1908
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 6: played with, all the players I played against, show respect,

1909
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 6: show the same respect that I give them, and uh,

1910
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 6: you know, it's all it's all love until well, you know,

1911
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 6: until we get out on that.

1912
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 3: Court, go to battle. But it's all love at the

1913
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:09,720
Speaker 3: end of the day.

1914
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:11,679
Speaker 1: So what's your proudest moment from your career.

1915
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 6: My proudest moment being drafted is number one. Being the

1916
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 6: number one draft pick in the NBA was number one

1917
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:21,919
Speaker 6: that draft class could have. It was myself, Antonio mcdi's,

1918
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 6: Kevin Garnet, Rashie Wallace, Jerry Stackhouse, either one all anybody

1919
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 6: could have gone number one out of that draft. So

1920
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,759
Speaker 6: being drafted number one in that draft was was totally,

1921
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 6: uh a surprise. But at the same time, you know,

1922
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 6: probably the most fulfilling thing in my career.

1923
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 2: It's fantastic, our last thing the players you played with

1924
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 2: and against. Yes, give me starting five six man and

1925
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 2: a coach.

1926
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 6: That I played with and against what you know I

1927
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:57,600
Speaker 6: can give you. I can give you all I played with.

1928
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 6: You got six, That's what I awesome. I got uh

1929
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 6: a I he could be the point Kobe at the

1930
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 6: two Lebron at the three. Oh no, kd add the three,

1931
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 6: Durance at the three lebron at the four. Wow, and

1932
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 6: West center that I played with, Wow, I didn't play.

1933
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 3: I don't even know.

1934
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 1: If you need a center, you.

1935
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 3: Can be the five.

1936
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:27,599
Speaker 6: That's the guy. All the guys that I played with.

1937
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 6: I mean this, who's the coach?

1938
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 3: Coach? Best coach you were around?

1939
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 6: You know, Larry Brown of Phil Phil Jackson, Yeah, yeah,

1940
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:39,679
Speaker 6: would be that coach.

1941
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 3: Phil was so interesting.

1942
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 2: I covered the bulls and during that yeah, later you

1943
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 2: know it was like towards the end of he was

1944
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:53,599
Speaker 2: so he was so interesting, Like who's just an interesting dude?

1945
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 3: He is? He is' I'm like I did.

1946
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 6: Before I got to the Lakers, I hadn't spent too

1947
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 6: much time around Phil, so I really didn't know what

1948
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 6: to expect. But when I got there and then you know,

1949
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 6: saw the type of coach that he is and then

1950
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 6: the type of person he is. He's like you said,

1951
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 6: he's very interesting almost second text was still with Still

1952
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 6: with Them. Brian Shaw was one of my sisters. Well,

1953
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 6: and the first day I got there, he gave me

1954
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 6: a book. Yeah, he gave me a book to read.

1955
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:23,639
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1956
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 6: I mean because, like I said, you hear the stories

1957
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 6: about him giving players different books, but you know you won't.

1958
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 6: You don't know until you actually go through it. So, uh,

1959
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 6: first day I got there, he gave me a book

1960
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 6: to read. And oh yeah, of course he had to.

1961
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 6: I had to because he gets you question and answer. Yeah,

1962
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 6: it's like a teacher. You get question and answer. So

1963
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 6: you have to read it and you have to understand

1964
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 6: what you read and at the end of the day

1965
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 6: he's gonna he's going to ask you about it.

1966
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 3: LB was interesting too because he was he is.

1967
01:26:55,439 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 6: Smart due LB was a funnelmental, the mental hound. Like

1968
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 6: our practice all fundamental drills since layups, reverse layups, said, dribbling,

1969
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 6: dribble moves, like everything was fundamental.

1970
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 3: And it was like, I thought this was the NBA

1971
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 3: at the end of.

1972
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 6: The day, exactly exactly. But that's what I loved about it,

1973
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:22,719
Speaker 6: because if you don't continue to work on those those drills, then.

1974
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:24,759
Speaker 3: You can you'll lose them. You know you're losing.

1975
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:28,720
Speaker 6: So that's what I loved about. Would like, yes, how

1976
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 6: to defend properly? How to defend properly? How did you know, uh,

1977
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 6: defend picking rolls? How to defend your guys one on one?

1978
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 6: How to defend the polls? How did you know? And offensively?

1979
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 6: Like I said, we were doing reverse layups, layups one

1980
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 6: dribble pull ups to dribble pull up, like taking it

1981
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 6: back to it like it's a high school. But it

1982
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 6: was a lot of fun. It's funny about him.

1983
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 2: The only guy that could get away with anything was

1984
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 2: Derrek Coleman.

1985
01:27:56,680 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 3: D Remember d C could get away with he was

1986
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 3: so old school. DC didn't like the paper like this.

1987
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 3: He got away with these.

1988
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 6: He used to come and steel on the side line

1989
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 6: across his legs and hood on it. Let's go, fellow,

1990
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 6: that's my guy. But DC, he used to come in

1991
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:20,679
Speaker 6: and let's go. He's a cheer us on. Now he's

1992
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 6: a cheeru saw.

1993
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 1: But he wouldn't great play like he could do anything

1994
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:24,880
Speaker 1: on the floor.

1995
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no question, you know. No. He was a

1996
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 3: tough father. Yeah, he was tough.

1997
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 6: Skill skills that had every every skill as a big

1998
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,559
Speaker 6: man and like like I was talking about now as

1999
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 6: big man being able to put the ball on the

2000
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 6: floor and bring it up. Darrek Kober was one of

2001
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 6: those big men back then that was able to do

2002
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 6: that as well.

2003
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 1: Thanks for hanging out with us, Thanks for years of

2004
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:46,680
Speaker 1: enjoyment watching you play. Man like your to hang out

2005
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 1: but we appreciate your time. But seriously, congrats on to

2006
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 1: kill a career.

2007
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 3: Thank you that. I appreciate you guys,