1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Canelo Alvarez is not just the king of one hundred 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: and sixty eight pounds, he might be the king of 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: all of boxing. Hello everyone, Luke Thomas, Brian Campbell, live 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: from you right now at the MGM just outside of 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: shed say the MGM Grand guardon Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada. 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: We are here for our Canelo Plant post fight show. 7 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: We have not a moment to waste because right behind 8 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: us is what the postfight presser is going to be. 9 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: And we got to be done and before they get 10 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: up there. 11 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: Well, you said Canelo might be the king of the sport. 12 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: He was coming in. He still is. After this performance, 13 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: I thought Caleb Plant did what he said he was 14 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: going to do from the standpoint of not winning. But 15 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: I thought he overachieved. I thought he proved a tough out. 16 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 2: He was game, he was durable, he was smart, His 17 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 2: defense was there. I thought when Canelo offers in the 18 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: second half of this fight, had a couple rounds where 19 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: he took his foot off the gas, that's when Caleb 20 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: Plant slid and I thought that his best worker gave 21 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: him three straight rounds on the scorecard. But the finish, Luke, 22 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: which was just off of what you and I both 23 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: predicted tenth round of a tenth round stoppage instead an 24 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: eleventh round one. The finish and what led up to 25 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: that wastag Canelo the pound for palmd best fighter in 26 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 2: the game, the biggest star in the game, and as 27 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 2: he continues to stock pile championship belts in this historic 28 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: night in which he's the first undisputed champion at super 29 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 2: middleweight in boxing history and the first Mexican born fighter 30 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: to become an undisputed champion, it's really only gonna be 31 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: what's the next milestone? Are you gonna Are you going 32 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: for recognition as the greatest Mexican fighter of all time? 33 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 3: Are you trying to. 34 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: Crack the top ten all time? I mean he is 35 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 2: getting to levels, Luke, where. 36 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 3: This is? This is verified. 37 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: I don't think the conversations about Canelo and Chavez are 38 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: they need to change. If you didn't have Canelo highing 39 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: up of on this list where you could either put 40 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: him on par or potentially even passing Javaz and I 41 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: know he's a legend. I know that's debatable. I understand 42 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: it's not an ironclad thing. But with a win like 43 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: this tonight, he moves into territory where if you wanted to, 44 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: if you wanted to declare him the best Mexican fighter 45 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: of all time, I actually don't think you'd be all 46 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: that wrong. Now, and before we get to that, though, 47 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: I really want to talk about this fight, so let's 48 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: get to it. CompuBox stats, by the way, let's get 49 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: to These are the final ones from the fight. Canelo 50 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 1: Alvarez ending thirty two percent of total punches, He landed 51 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: fourteen percent of his jabs, forty one percent one hundred 52 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: and two power shots for Caleb Plant The numbers are 53 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: not great, just thirteen shots to the body. He had 54 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: forty two jabs that seemed to be his best punch 55 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: all night. 56 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: There's two key numbers though. It's the overall punch total 57 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: in Canelo's favor, which was what one. 58 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: Actually the overall total attempted you mean landed, I mean landed, yeah, 59 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: one seventeen to one oh one in favor of Canelo. 60 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: And the second one is body shots, which really was 61 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 2: the story of the fight for Canelo, as it often is. 62 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: I believe it was about what fifty three fifty three 63 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 2: to thirteen the total favor there, So two knockdowns. 64 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: Also, he had double the power shots of Caleb Plants. 65 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: Two knockdowns in round eleven to wave it off. And 66 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 2: I do want to start there, lucaus we are short 67 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: on time. Was the second knockdown on which referee Russell Moore, 68 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: who had a great night and is coming off that 69 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 2: he that fury wild or three he stops that without account. 70 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: I've already seen debate on Twitter in real time. It 71 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 2: looked to me like Plant deserved a chance to beat 72 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: that ten count because even though he was and he 73 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 2: was hurt from the previous knockdown, this is the fight 74 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: of his career. 75 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 3: This is his mountaintop moment. What did you think about 76 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: the stuff? I have a little bit of a mixed feelings. 77 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 3: On the one hand, we don't know exactly what Russell 78 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 3: Morris saw. We've had a chance to talk to him. 79 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: He may have seen something up close that would have 80 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: given him a reason to call the fight off in 81 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: the way that he did, So that's the first thing 82 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: I would say. 83 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: But if you're wondering the scores at the time, I 84 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 2: have them in front of me. Ninety eight ninety two 85 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: for Canelo, ninety seven to ninety three for Canelo and 86 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: ninety six ninety four, so a closer one. Because we 87 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,399 Speaker 2: saw scores all over the map on Twitter for this fight. 88 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: How I had it Luke seven rounds to three ninety 89 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: seven ninety three for Canelo entering that final round. Now, 90 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: those two knockdowns led to the finish, and they also 91 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: would have changed the scoring dramatically. 92 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 3: But where do you did you have it entering into 93 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 3: that final round? 94 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: I had it ninety seven to ninety three. I think 95 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: it's about how you had it as well. We probably 96 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: had a few different ones, a Liek. 97 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 3: We had a different way of getting there. 98 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: I scored the first six to Canelo, and God bless 99 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: all you people on Twitter who are ready to take 100 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: away my credentials. People are, but look, here's the real reason, 101 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: not only why Canelo won this fight, but why he 102 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: got all six on my card when Plant did look 103 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 2: game in that first half, It's because he does not 104 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: give you a clean strike stone defensively. For as great 105 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: as Canelo is as a body puncher, as a destroyer, 106 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: as an efficient counterpuncher who walks you down and never 107 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: waste punches, he does not get hit clean in return. 108 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: So if you're scoring those early rounds for Plant. I 109 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: saw Steve Farhead on showtime. He does an incredible job, 110 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: gave Plant one in three. What are you scoring is 111 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: really what I'm asking A couple of counter jabs here 112 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: and there. Everything Canelo landed was heavy and luke. For 113 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: the most part, it was clean. 114 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: And this is the other part about two. With Canelo, 115 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: you can think it's this fight or another fight or 116 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: the third. I cannot tell you how many times he gets, 117 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: let's say, numerically outstruck in a round, but when he 118 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: lands as a viewer on television, it is audibly much 119 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: louder the damage that he is scoring. And that's imprecise 120 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: as a way of measurement two. But when you see 121 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: it consistently with his opponents over the course of his career, 122 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: That's why I think a lot of judges sometimes have 123 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: different scores than what the fans have at home, because 124 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,799 Speaker 1: they're feeling and hearing those power shots landing over away. 125 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: They just don't quite get the same time. 126 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 3: I want to. 127 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: Piggyback what you just said and say this. I got 128 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 2: a lot of feedback of saying, look, babe, you should 129 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: reexamine you're going to rewatch those rounds and want to 130 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: give him to Plant. His defense was sound, he wasn't 131 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 2: getting hit clean. I think the difference when you have 132 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: a power puncher against a jabber is even if canelos 133 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 2: not landing clean with those hard body shots and the 134 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 2: big hooks as we saw against Calm Smith, they're still 135 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: doing damage. When Plant was getting blocked by Canelo's high guard, 136 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: which was on. 137 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 3: Point, he's not really landing much on there. 138 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 2: In person, judges prefer fighter coming forward, which was Canelo 139 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: for the most part, threw almost. 140 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 3: From round one on. Actually from round. 141 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: One, fighter landing the heavier blows, which is why Canello 142 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 2: wins a lot of these close fights because he's so efficient. 143 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: When you add that efficiency, Luke, that overall punch efficiency 144 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 2: where you're never wasting, yet you're still the guy coming 145 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: forward putting stress on the opponent by getting inside and 146 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 2: standing right there, it's hard not to score those rounds 147 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: for Canelo. 148 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: Really, here's the thing about I saw some people had, 149 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: like I saw one scorecard that heading to them. They 150 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: had Plant up seven rounds to three. That's a ridiculously 151 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: stupid go score card. 152 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,239 Speaker 3: There's a lot of unqualified scoring. 153 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: The eleventh delete your account. But Aside from that, here's 154 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: the thing I wanted to point out, like, why did 155 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: Canelo win this? The body punching and the overall power punching. 156 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: Obviously he played a role, but the true fact of 157 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: it is is did Caleb Plant do a defensively good 158 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: job at limiting Canelo in key spots and over the 159 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: course of rounds without him being to land I can 160 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: say a huge demonstrative punch to the head for example, 161 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,559 Speaker 1: Yes he did. There was times you could see Caleb 162 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: Plant catching the glove of Canelo then turning knowing that 163 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: Canelo couldn't mount significant offense from those moments. He did 164 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: a good job of diffusing a lot of potentially hairy situations, 165 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: even getting pressed along the ropes from the first. But 166 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,799 Speaker 1: I go back to it, what was the most memorable 167 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: punch that Kayleb Plant landed? All fight right, you can't 168 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: tell me it doesn't exist. He did do good work 169 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: with the job, but he could never get Canelo to 170 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: second guess. He could never get Canelo to get off 171 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: of him, and so Canelo had to take his time 172 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: to invest to the body and he did. 173 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 3: I love the framing he was doing. 174 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: And we're off the bending of the waste from Caleb Plant, 175 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: but there was one guy doing damage and it was 176 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: Canelo Alparez and eventually it was just too much. 177 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: And then he follows me, go, hey, BC, didn't you 178 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: score those early close rounds for Austin Trout back at 179 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: twenty thirteen for jabbing against Canelo? It was a different Canelo, 180 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: a guy who'd in fight all three minutes of every round. 181 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 3: Wasn't as efficient, wasn't as aggressive. 182 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: What we saw tonight was full mature in his prime, 183 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: thirty one year old pomp for pound king mccanelo, who 184 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: Luke in round one made the kind of adjustment that 185 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,559 Speaker 2: he typically makes mid fight to begin putting the fight away, 186 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: and that adjustment was his ability to get inside on Plant. 187 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: That adjustment was after he figured out, okay, this guy's 188 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: got a longer jab, he's got speed. How do I 189 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 2: then work my footwork to start cutting off his angles 190 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: and pinning him in the corner. I thought, once Canelo 191 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: overs did that effectively in round one, it was gonna 192 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: be a short night. So this is why you give 193 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: Plant the credit, not just the survival, the toughness, but 194 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: his own defense, specifically Luke that window round six through nine. 195 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 2: I think Canelo thought he would have had him out 196 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 2: there by then, got a little frustrated, got a little tired, 197 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: took his foot off the guest just enough. I think 198 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: Plant did well in round six through nine in which 199 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: I scored all three from him, really got creative land 200 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: and a lot of key counter shots. 201 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 3: And that would be four rounds six, seven, eight. 202 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: Six, I'm sorry there, seven eight nine, so excuse me, 203 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: seven eight nine. And I thought it was because of 204 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: those short little counter jabs he was going to the 205 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 2: body himself. But once Canelo came out of that corner 206 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 2: for round ten, it, you know, it seemed like he 207 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 2: came out with a different spirit, in a different attitude, 208 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 2: and he started coming after Plant, and when he was 209 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: in forward motion, planted nothing all night. 210 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: And also plant standing from this stance right so with 211 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: the lead hand with the left right behind him here, 212 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: that short space on the back was pink from the 213 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: first round and he was throwing what were those Madonna 214 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: punches in the in the main was corkscrew? 215 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 3: Corkscrew? 216 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: Did you not see something similar from Canelo in this 217 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: fight where you would get the bending he would frame 218 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: and then you would see him raise the elbow and 219 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: then drive it at a certain angle. 220 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 3: Dude, he and Eddie Renoso, we have to talk about it. 221 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: Yes, they game plan so effectively that they barely have 222 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: to deviate from the plan. 223 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 3: Halfway through that fight. 224 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: Eddie's like, just stick to the plan because the plan 225 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: is so good. 226 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 3: And what is the plan? 227 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: The plan is just touch him with hard counter shots, 228 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 2: don't overextend, be patient, but be firm and cut off 229 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 2: the ring and you will wear him down. That's exactly 230 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: what happened. And why would you do a corkscrew punch? 231 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 2: Because when you got a Mayweather or a Plant who 232 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 2: you know has a responsible defense even while against the ropes, 233 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 2: they're not going to give you those openings. So Canelo, 234 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 2: to his creativity, found some other angles to do that 235 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 2: that started messing with plants guard. 236 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 3: But there's really no comparison in the work. I give 237 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 3: Plant the credit. 238 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: I was the Plant guy more or less who said, look, 239 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 2: he's not going to be a lamb at the slaughter. 240 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 2: He's going to have a shot in this fight. He 241 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: didn't do it again in the ways I thought. I 242 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 2: thought he would have to build a big lead to 243 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: be in this fight. He had a nice midfight rally. 244 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: He was in there. But when you never land anything 245 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 2: of significance and you don't have any ultra clear rounds, 246 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 2: he had rounds. Whether you were like fihood you liked 247 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 2: him in one and three, or whether you're like me 248 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: and you liked him in seven through nine. 249 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 3: Luke, he had arguments for rounds. 250 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: But when you don't have clean, clear, dominant rounds, even 251 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: if it's just dominance with a jab, you're not gonna 252 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 2: beat this guy. 253 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 3: Luke. Yeah, I'm just not gonna do it. 254 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: I gave Plant round three, I gave him round seven, 255 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: and I gave him round nine. So those are the 256 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: three that I gave him. Again, some of them were close. 257 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: There could have been other ones you gave Plant. There 258 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: could have been those that I gave to Plant you 259 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: could have given to Canelo. Some of them were a 260 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: little bit tight, But I just go back to it. 261 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: The problem that Plant faced ultimately was not that he 262 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 1: wasn't defensively sound. He actually pretty much was. I will 263 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: also give Plant credit here, dude. There was a lot 264 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: of that fight he had to spend fighting Canelo right here, 265 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: and I thought if he fought him in those ranges, 266 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: it would be over quick and eventually it was. 267 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 3: But I'll give Plant. 268 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: Credit, dude, like he is going to beat other good 269 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: fighters after tonight. Only twenty nine years old, and he 270 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: stood in the pocket for long periods of time and 271 00:10:59,280 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: he made can Element. 272 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: That's a fair bit. I give him credit for that. 273 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: He went to the shoulder role, he went to the 274 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 2: Floyd Yeah, you know, shoulder roll in rounds. In those 275 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 2: rounds that I liked him, But I think Plant elevated 276 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 2: this game. At the end of the day, You're not 277 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 2: gonna beat this version of Canelo right now, but Plant 278 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 2: wants that that that blood fight of his own against 279 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 2: David Benavitez. 280 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 3: We got Anthony. 281 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 2: Durrell, who had a huge knockout on the school main 282 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 2: event against a journeyman opponent. But he went in there 283 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 2: and cleaned up in the fourth round. Who said, look, 284 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: I want the winner. He could even get the loser 285 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 2: and that'd be an interesting fight. All I'm saying is 286 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: there are hungry names here. Caleb Plant's probably gonna end 287 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 2: up winning a title again in this division. 288 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 3: He seems to be, you. 289 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 2: Know, have that championship grit and backbone. As you hear, 290 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: they're going to get things going behind us. 291 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 3: We might have to go. We have people. What about 292 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 3: Canello's future? 293 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: He didn't bite down on anything afterwards when Jim gray 294 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 2: Astam said, look, I gotta go home and rest. Do 295 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 2: you think he's more likely to continue this incredible running. 296 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 2: By the way, this is his fourth fight in twelve months, 297 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: unified the titles in one year. Do you think he 298 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 2: goes to seventy five and chases the title holders, which 299 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 2: are Joe Smith, Beval and Bterviev. Or does he look 300 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 2: around sixty eight and say I could do Jamal Charlow, 301 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 2: I could do triple G a third time. 302 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 3: I could do who else are we forgetting right here? 303 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 3: And turns Benavidez. Benavidez, he comes around. Here's the thing. 304 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: Canello signed a one fight deal with Showtime in PBC 305 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: for this fight, so he's a free agent again. Eddie 306 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: Hearn was at the Wayns yesterday. I would imagine he 307 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: was at the Fights nine. He's got a great relationship 308 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: with them, obviously, has a great relationship with Showtime and 309 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: Steven Espinosa and some of the folks there. So partly 310 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: it's going to depend on where he wants to go 311 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: to find which fighters, and also like I'm with you 312 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: in the way class do he could stick around and 313 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: take that Tarlo fight, those Benavidez fights, and those are 314 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: certainly in the case of Benavidez, I think Benavidez can 315 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: beat him. I don't know if he would beat him, 316 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: but he is somebody who would put on the list 317 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: of like, that's a tough fight for anybody, including Canelo. 318 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: At the same time, he and his trainer prior to tonight, 319 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: you know as well as I do, they had thrown 320 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: out the Butterbiev or better Be if ever you want 321 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: to pronounce it fight. Previously We've talked to other journals 322 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: here in the week and they're like, that fight would 323 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: be great, but it doesn't make sense. 324 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 3: So I don't really know that it took some time. 325 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: Off, but I'll just say personally, personally, it's the better 326 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: Be the Pteria fight. 327 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 3: That's the one that I want to see. Want a little. 328 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 2: Financial or marketable reward for him for in Canelo. Now, 329 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 2: the reward is Butterbeev's a quasi. 330 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 3: Pofer pound guy. 331 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 2: He's unbeating sixteen and oh sixteen first round KOs and 332 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: he's got the critical respect right, no question about it, 333 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 2: and he's a killer and all that stuff, but he 334 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 2: wouldn't get the money the you know that's that pay 335 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: per view. You know it would sell on the same 336 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: part with some less skilled and decorated choulders, no question. 337 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: But this is who Canelo has become. He's gonna do 338 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 2: whatever he wants. If he wants to fight four five 339 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 2: times in a year, is gonna do it. If he 340 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 2: wants to network shop, he's gonna do it. If he 341 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 2: wants to fight Triple G just to please the fans 342 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: and cash the money he gets an aging guy to 343 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 2: settle that rivalry, He's gonna do exactly what he wants. 344 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 2: And with membership comes that privilege. He holds all the cards, 345 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 2: all of them, all of them. And the fact that 346 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 2: he was able to take this fight and this past 347 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: year and do what he does again, this is old school. 348 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 2: This is what we need in this sport. It's really 349 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 2: hard to throw shots at him, just like in this 350 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 2: performance tonight. I mean, what shots am I gonna throw? 351 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 2: He took a little off the gas for three straight 352 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 2: rounds as he sort of figured out his angles, and 353 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 2: once he put that in finishing mode in round ten, 354 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 2: you saw what happened. That power will break you down. 355 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: You're not seeing Cane. I'll get a ton of like 356 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 2: one punch finishes, but he'll break well. 357 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 3: This the hell. 358 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: It wasn't the exact same punch, but it was pretty 359 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: pretty similar the punch that broke Billy Joe Saunders's face. 360 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: It's nearly not the same, but nearly identical to the 361 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: right hand in this one. 362 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 3: That really hurt, and that made a plan. 363 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: One punch finish against Saunders, but it changed the fight 364 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: for good. 365 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: It shattered his shit and it had it had Caleb 366 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: plant on skates. 367 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 2: And then again he did one punch golvi Lev. He 368 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: did one punch Liam Smith, a junior middleweight with the 369 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: body shot. 370 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 3: We know that. 371 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: I mean for him to be able to operate at 372 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 2: such close range and not get hit, not waste punches 373 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: against a. 374 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 3: Game fast, smart, tough. You know I like I don't. 375 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: We will not accept Caleb Plantzlander at this table. He 376 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 2: showed out. He came out and went for where You 377 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: say he wasn't prepared. Can you say he didn't try. 378 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: You can't say he obviously executed the perfect game plan 379 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: or anything, but he certainly was not a He was 380 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: there to win. 381 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 3: He was there to win and. 382 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: Figured out in round one and he's still hung in 383 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: there and got on at least one judge's scorecards with 384 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: four rounds on the other two got five years. I 385 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: think right one over people on Twitter, this was a 386 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: strong performance that he will build off of, no question, 387 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 2: and again shout out to the dog, Anthony Drell at 388 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 2: thirty seven, turning back the clock there getting up. 389 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 3: So I have to ask you. I have to ask 390 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 3: you because they asked me this. 391 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: I did CBS Sports HQ reight before this and they said, 392 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: where does Canelo rank all time among great Mexican fighters? 393 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: And listen, I understand you're talking about different eras. You're 394 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: talking about in many cases different sizes, But I just 395 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: think with Canelo being consistently pound for pound unifying the 396 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: weight class, which no other Mexican fighter has done. Granted 397 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: it's one sixty eight, it's a little bit newer, four 398 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: belt air of the whole thing. Still, dude, with what 399 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: he is accomplishing. My argument was, even if you don't 400 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: want to give it to him now, because let's say 401 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: Chavez had a much longer reign of whatever he was 402 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: doing with his body, of work. 403 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 3: Dude, Canelo's thirty one. 404 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: Like, even if this doesn't get him that he still 405 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: has several years in his prime. 406 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 3: It seems almost inevitable he will be number. 407 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 2: One on top and on top of big fights for 408 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 2: like a decade. He was twenty three when he fought Floyd. 409 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 2: That was, you know, eight years ago. If he's not 410 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 2: already past Chavez and INLK, Havas is a tough it's 411 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 2: a tough situation. It's a tough hill to climb because 412 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: he's got the Everyone has that love for the warrior 413 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 2: and he went out there and who else. 414 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 3: Goes hozy he guys, you could put this was the 415 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 3: eighty nine ozho and one at that point, I thought 416 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 3: his highest point. I know that. 417 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 2: You know he beat cab drivers in between, but he's 418 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 2: a folk hero. He did big things, but he didn't 419 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: do exactly what Canelo was doing. Canelo was also the 420 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 2: biggest star in the sport globally, something Chaves never really 421 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: got to. And he's also winning titles in multiple divisions 422 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: and unifying in multiple divisions now undisputed in this division. 423 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 2: If he ends up moving up to seventy five and 424 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: and makes a run at all of those times. 425 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: It's just like, because he was down on the cards 426 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: against Covialev before he won, that should not be lost 427 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: in this conversation. 428 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: You're gonna end up like we did at the end 429 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 2: of the Mayweather Pachio era, just sort of say, what 430 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 2: do we do with these guys? 431 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 3: Are they top ten? Are they fifth? Top fifteen? At worst? 432 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 3: All time? You know, it's hard box. 433 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 2: He's a difficult sport to compare the old eras now 434 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 2: they were much busier back then. There's more titles today 435 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: all that, but he's going down a lane that is 436 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 2: already rarefied air and he's just going to continue to 437 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 2: add on to that and until we see some hiccups 438 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 2: out of him in this version. We saw close fights 439 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 2: on the old version of Canal at one fifty four, 440 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 2: one sixty. 441 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 3: We've talked about him at nauseam. 442 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 2: Did you score this one to Canalo or did you, 443 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 2: like Laura send you move up to this weight class. 444 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 3: We don't see close fights. 445 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 2: No, he's an absolute destroyer because his power carries his 446 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,239 Speaker 2: chin is rock solid and he's getting smarter by the day. 447 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 3: And that saidie Renoso, we gotta give him a tip 448 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 3: of the hat you. 449 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: Had no doubt about the two together or a potent force, 450 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: And I would just I would also add like, when 451 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 1: you think about what he's done and at this weight class, 452 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: show me the guy who wrote the blueprint on how 453 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: to beat him. Like we have this whole week for example, 454 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: we've been talking about, oh, well Canel, you know, he's 455 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: sort of struggled against like great slick boxers, it might 456 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: be time to retire that. Yes, Canelo had to work 457 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: for it, That's absolutely true. He got lit up with 458 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: some jabs. Okay that these are not nothing, But dude, 459 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: can you say that that was the game plan to 460 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: beat him? Can you say that? Like that's exactly who 461 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: is at one seventy five the slickster that's going to 462 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: give him problems? That's holding about that he might want 463 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: it might exist at some point, but right now, it's like, 464 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: I just feel like there's a lot of arguments that 465 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: that about what Canelo suffers from and every time he 466 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: goes out there, and it's like he doesn't really suffer 467 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: from him all that bad. 468 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 3: Does he? 469 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: Hey andre Ward seven, if you are stuck for years 470 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 2: on your own accord and you accomplished that and the 471 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 2: right to do that. I know you're a great broadcaster now, 472 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 2: but if you want to do this, the time is now, 473 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 2: the window is now, because you may be the only 474 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 2: fighter skilled enough at these weight classes. Butterurbev's got the 475 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 2: power and he's skilled himself. Although he's thirty gonna be 476 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 2: thirty six, he's pushing, you know, he's getting late here. 477 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 3: But maybe Ward's the only hope. 478 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: Maybe there is none for now with this prime version 479 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: of Canelo. Another great victory for him in the books. 480 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 2: The two more questions about this one. 481 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: Where would you rank Plant among the four belts he 482 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: had to collect as being the toughest. That's a good question. 483 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: My argument was it was the toughest. Here's why, so 484 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: Fielding throw to throw that out. So then you have 485 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: Callum Smith. Now Callum Smith went the distance, but you know, Canelo, 486 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: I mean he was in the driver's seat the entire time, 487 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: like Smith might last or something, but. 488 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 3: That was really about it. Forget Yielderham. Okay, I'm gonna 489 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 3: forget Yielderham. 490 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: Saunders was razzle dazzled until he got his face rocked. 491 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: So that's out. And then you have this one. Now, 492 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: this one he did get stopped Callum Smith didn't. But 493 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: I do believe you can make the argument that Plant 494 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: made Canelo work harder for it. Absolutely, and so for 495 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: that reason, I'm gonna say it's it's Caleb Plant. 496 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 2: And even though we maligned the Twitter scores for being 497 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: too generous for Plant for standing in there, not getting 498 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: knocked out and having pockets of success and browns that 499 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 2: I thought, hey, close, but you got to score them 500 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 2: to Canelo just to do that, to have a chance 501 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 2: to go to the distance, to be pushing it in 502 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: the eleventh For me to come out here and say, 503 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 2: you know, eh, I'm a little old school here, but 504 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 2: maybe he should have been allowed to stand up on 505 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 2: that second knockdown. That shows you that this was the 506 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: toughest challenge. Because the cliche of styles makes fights makes sense. 507 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 2: Plant had the speed and boxing base to make this 508 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 2: an interesting fight. 509 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 3: He had the toughness to push it deep. 510 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 2: You may see more talented guys, but they get finished 511 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 2: quicker against Canelo. But this was sort of the perfect 512 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 2: storm in his window. If you're gonna do it, it was tonight. 513 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 2: He tried his best kleb Plant Canelo too good. That's 514 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: the end of the story. 515 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 3: That's it. Luke put it in the books. 516 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: Almost what's next for kayleb Plant because to me, I 517 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: know he lost here, but I think a lot of 518 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: fans got a good taste of what he brings to 519 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 1: the ballgame. And also again, I think he thought about 520 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: as well as he could have given the circumstances. 521 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 3: He's going to beat other guys in this weight class 522 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 3: who are very good. 523 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 2: What do you think the rest of the division takes 524 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 2: a pause to wait to see what Canelo's plans are. 525 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 2: If Canelo's plans are to make a run at seventy 526 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 2: five and go for all the belts, and by the way, 527 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 2: that would be a He's already wanted a world title 528 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: in that division by knocking out Covilet, but to have it, 529 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 2: I mean he goes in there and unifies against this 530 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: group of Bevall's undefeated, Butterbee's undefeated Joe Smith is dangerous 531 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 2: in his own right. That would open up all the 532 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: belt of sixty eight in theory. So if that happens, 533 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 2: it's gonna be an interesting playing field because Benavitez is 534 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 2: young and hungry and two times a former champion, never 535 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 2: lost belts in the ring, lost him on the scales 536 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: or in the drug test. Durrell's still here as he proved, 537 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 2: We've we've got the potential of Jamal Charlow moving up. 538 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: So there's bit especially if you just look at the PBC, 539 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 2: there's huge fights for him. 540 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,959 Speaker 3: But it's gonna depend if Canelo's still lingering. And then 541 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 3: I'm David Benavitez. 542 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: I try to win next week against late replacement Kyro 543 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 2: and Davis, and I start banging the drums on public uh, 544 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 2: you know, forums and and and get that going for 545 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 2: an all Mexico showdown. Why isn't Canelo take Benavidez down 546 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: to a asteca or something. 547 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: That he could I mean again, dude, his his options 548 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: at this point are extraordinary. 549 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 3: That for that's it. That's it. 550 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: I think that's a wrap. And I mean we got 551 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: to most of it there. We gotta go watch, don't 552 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: you know what event? I don't know what's next for Plant. 553 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. Oh, last question, I'll end on this. 554 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: Canelo was already pound for pound the number one heading 555 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: into this fight. 556 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 3: How wide is the distance now? Who? 557 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: How far back is number two? It seems like you 558 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: could not possibly make an argument it's crazy as anyone 559 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: is more pound for pound deserving than Canelo Alvarez. 560 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 2: What's crazy is that a year ago, before the Lomanchenko 561 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 2: lost to Lopez, you ago, a year and a half ago, 562 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,479 Speaker 2: I was making this case that this is the most 563 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 2: decorated the top five of the pound for pound's ever been. 564 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 2: There was at that point five maybe six guys who 565 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 2: had an argument for the top Canelo, Spence, Crawford, Lomchenko 566 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 2: and new A oh Sik was still getting some hipster votes, 567 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 2: you know, and a Fury is there as well. It's 568 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 2: like it was the most crowded field ever and in 569 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 2: this past year, can all just push that. 570 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 3: Pushed everybody back? 571 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 2: Wow, I think it's it's it's it's clear, it's a 572 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 2: clear lead. 573 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 3: I have a new a number two. Some people have 574 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 3: them five. 575 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 2: You know. I mean that these these lists are subjected 576 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,239 Speaker 2: and all of the board. But we saw tonight it's 577 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 2: it's it's not you know, it's not overwhelming because Crawford's amazing, 578 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 2: Spence's all these guys are great, A new way something. 579 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 3: In this campaign in twenty twenty one. 580 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,719 Speaker 2: Here though, to have space when these guys are all 581 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 2: this time, I mean come on, come on, what do 582 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 2: we do mean? 583 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: As I said, Canelo Alvarez the king of the one 584 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: sixty eights and to b c's point, the king of boxing. 585 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: He had the crown on tonight after beating Caleb plant 586 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: Via TKO in the eleventh and unbelievable performance. A great 587 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: fight week, and we're not done. We have one more 588 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: post fight show for you, a UFC two sixty eight 589 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: post fight show. We're gonna close this, We're gonna head 590 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,479 Speaker 1: upstairs to actually literally my room, and then I think 591 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: there's a social graphic. 592 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 3: We can't see the screen. I want to say this live. 593 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 3: We may get some dunks following us up there. We 594 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 3: don't need this. We don't need Yeah. There you see 595 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 3: our socials. So YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat. 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