1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks. On this Monday, June second, today, 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: marking the beginning of the fourth full week of testimony 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: in the Ditty trial. Welcome to this episode of Amy 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: and TJ ANDDJ Holmes alongside my partner Amy robock Ropes. 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: We continue and been kind of amazed at just how interests, 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: how much interest there is in this trial. We started, 7 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: I guess the first week. We just want to give 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: a couple of updates and see how it went, and 9 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: there has been a pretty good response, so we're going 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: to continue to put these out as a one stop shot. 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: Yes, we have been fascinated by this trial and have 12 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: been a little fascinated by how much all of you 13 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 2: listeners want to know the details of what's going on 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: in court. There aren't cameras in the courtroom, so we're 15 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: relying on some of the members of the media who 16 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: are there in that courtroom. And if you go through 17 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 2: all the different websites, you can kind of piece together 18 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: what's happening inside this rivening courtroom. I mean, one witness 19 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: after the next just keeps filling in details, jaw dropping 20 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: details that are really hard to believe. Except for all 21 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: of these witnesses seem to corroborate what the others have 22 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: been saying. It's a theme that is consistent. 23 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just it's a lot. There are several 24 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: reporters in there, and look between the Washington Post and 25 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: CNN and the USA Today and the AP, and there 26 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: are a lot of folks in there who are given 27 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: us accounting of what's going on. But some of their 28 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 1: details can vary, and some of the details they want 29 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: to include in their coverage can vary. So that's where 30 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: Robot and I come in to try to help you 31 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: out because we do go through all of that stuff. 32 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: So this has been a spot where we have been 33 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: given out that information. So thank you all for listening. 34 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: We will continue here now with Mia Robes. Mia, testifying 35 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: under a pseudonym, had been on the stand for two 36 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: days last week, I guess a day and a half, 37 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: but they didn't finish up with her on Friday, so 38 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: she will be back up first thing this morning. 39 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: It's been a little surprising how long she's been on 40 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 2: this stand, not only given her testimony with direct testimony 41 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: telling what happened. She claims that just to catch you up, Diddy, 42 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: she says, raped her she says she was sexually assaulted 43 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: by him, and she goes through psychological abuse that she 44 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 2: says she suffered underneath him. And she of course offered 45 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: corroborating testimony about what she saw him due to her 46 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: friend Cassie van Touura. Fine, so she's been corroborating a 47 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: lot of that testimony as well. But man, the cross 48 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: examination where Ditty's lawyers get to question her and question 49 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 2: her credibility, that has been relentless. She has been on 50 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 2: the stand for hours dealing with his attorneys really trying 51 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 2: to poke holes in her testimony and question whether or 52 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: not she actually suffered the way she claimed she did, 53 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: and that is continuing today. 54 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, she was a right hand, folks. She was there 55 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: and she saw, She saw so much and had so 56 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: much access to his inner circle. She is definitely a 57 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: key prosecution witness. But she is also some one who 58 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: is I think there are essentially four victims that the 59 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: entire case is built on, and she is one of them, 60 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: and she is testifying up there to protect her identity. 61 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: But some of the things right, she is a victim 62 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: in that she has alleged years now of robes awful abuse, 63 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: physical sexual assaults and rapes she describes on repeated occasions. 64 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: That's one thing as a victim, but she was also 65 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: there as his right hand, so everything he did, she 66 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: saw so much. She saw so much of these things 67 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: we've been hearing about. She was a first hand witness 68 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: to it all. So she's key in that robes. After 69 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: Cassi even tour Refined filed her lawsuit, they got this 70 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: all going. She said she started hearing from Ditty and 71 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: his people because they knew immediately how much this woman knew. 72 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and she says she did not talk to Ditty 73 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: that he tried. He said, I just need to minutes 74 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: with you. I just want to make sure I'm remembering 75 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: everything correctly. But she did not pick up the phone. 76 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: She didn't talk to him. She spoke to his bodyguard, 77 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: the guy who she knew d Rock. I believe he 78 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: is being referred to by most witnesses, but she said 79 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 2: she spoke to him. She never spoke to Diddy because 80 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: she knew what he wanted. 81 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: So she goes through her testimony. Look, we talked about 82 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: a little bit last week some of her testimonies she 83 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: gave on the stand that was during the prosecution, during 84 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: direct questioning. But a couple of the details wrope this 85 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: one incident. Again, some of this, some of it we 86 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: listen to and go, okay, that's in line with the 87 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: previous story. That's in line with the previous story. But 88 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: so much of why they're having to do this, the 89 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: prosecution is building a case. This isn't just for us 90 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: and for headlines and for news, right, we have to 91 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: this is really for an audience of twelve. The jurors 92 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: in there, so they are hearing, and it's reason that 93 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: the prosecution has to go through all this. According to 94 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: legal experts, they're building a case of racketeering. So you 95 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: have to show that he there was forced labor involved. No, 96 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: that's not a sexy headline. Necessarily want to hear about 97 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: freak calls and baby old But no, no, no, no, this 98 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: is where robes. They say, they're getting down into the meat, 99 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: and wow, this is so important to get so many 100 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: of these details, corroborating details from so many of these witnesses. 101 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 2: That's right, And she even says, Mia says to date, 102 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: she can't get a job, She says she can't keep 103 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 2: a job because she's so triggered by everything. She suffered 104 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: under the hands of Ditty, and so, yeah, she testified 105 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 2: about so many instances, but somehow this was so interesting 106 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: to me. We've heard different versions of this from other 107 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: personal assistants. But she says she was suspended multiple times 108 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: without pay throughout her eight year employment with Ditty, and 109 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 2: she detailed a couple of those incidents. Once she said 110 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: she was suspended without pay because she laid out workout. 111 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 3: Clothes that he didn't like. 112 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: That's how upset he could get about little, seemingly insignificant things. 113 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: And she also talked about being on a yacht in 114 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 2: Saint Bart's. She said she was tasked with count the 115 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: money in his safe and she said that he started 116 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 2: screaming at her because she was counting the money too 117 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: slowly and screened for her to get out of here. 118 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 2: She was on a yacht, so he told her you 119 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: better learn to walk on water like Jesus did. And 120 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: so she ended up having to run up trying to 121 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 2: get to safety, to get on a boat to get 122 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 2: to shore, and before she got to shore, he called 123 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 2: her back and made her go to Las Vegas because 124 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: he just abruptly ended the same Barts trip to go 125 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 2: to Vegas. She said, that's just how erratic and stressful 126 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: and uncertain every moment was. He could be in a 127 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: good mood one moment and then seemingly just get triggered 128 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 2: by something insignificant. 129 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: She was the same one that was it the you 130 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 1: made me think of it talking about erratic behavior. I 131 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: think she testified he threw a computer at her head 132 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: because the WiFi went out. 133 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 2: Yes, there, right, yes, So she had to duck several objects, 134 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: but for things that you wouldn't think would even be well, 135 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 2: they weren't her fault, and things that she couldn't control, 136 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: and somehow she would suffer all of the blame. 137 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: Now in court, we knew things were going to change 138 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: and things were going to switch, and she was reportedly 139 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: very historic composure, but she also at times was tearful 140 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: and recalling some things. But we knew there was going 141 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: to be a shift and a tone change when the 142 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: defense got it shot, and that's what they started with 143 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: the cross examination after lunch on Friday, but brothers before 144 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: they even started, the lawyers got into a fight around 145 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: the lunch break and reported it took at least a 146 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,679 Speaker 1: half hour to get this worked out before the jury 147 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: came back in and what they were trying to do. 148 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: The defense wanted to put on a video that showed 149 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: her dancing at one of Diddy's birthday parties. Now, the 150 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: prosecution says, wait a minute, this wasn't entered into evidence. 151 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: We didn't know anything about this until now. Well, the 152 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: defense argued, well, we didn't know about it either. They say, 153 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: Internet sleuths are out there sending them stuff, and someone 154 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: out there grabbed this video and send it to them. 155 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: I guess they were just trying to show that, hey, 156 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: you're a sexual assault victim, then why are you dancing 157 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: so happily at this party? And they flat out said 158 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: she was putting on an act. 159 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: On the stand, Yeah, they said that this was all 160 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: an act that she The video spoke clearly to the 161 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: love La fund she was having, how much she loved Diddy, 162 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: and they wanted jurors to see this video. Ultimately, the 163 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: judge ruled against showing the video, saying that it had 164 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: little relevance according to the judge, to the case and 165 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: so it was not admissible in court. But certainly the 166 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: defense went after Mia. They didn't have the video, but 167 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: they had Instagram posts, they had text and they used 168 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: them against her, saying, how could you say this about 169 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 2: Ditty years after you claim you were sexually assaulted by him? 170 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: That was their first hour of was just nothing but 171 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: Instagram posts. They were just scrolling through her Instagram post. 172 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: Now one of them. We have a few here. One 173 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: of them she said this publicly about Diddy and I leave. 174 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: This was one that was years after she claimed the 175 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: sexual assaults and rape started. Quote you are the coolest 176 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: alien rockstar, Unicorn pizza slice and we fucking love you? 177 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: Is what a row and some They actually had her 178 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: read herself. 179 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 3: So that is tough. 180 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: That is tough, and it's effective as a defense attorney. 181 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: Yes, yep, we'll give you a couple other ones, just 182 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 2: because they had her read these out loud in court 183 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 2: on the fifth anniversary of the initial sexual abuses. Is 184 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 2: according to the defense attorney, he says this to mea 185 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: you are saying to Sean Combs on your social media 186 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: And here's where he quotes Mia, thank you for being 187 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: the good kind of crazy and continuing to inspire me 188 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: every single day. So the defense attorney read that one, 189 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 2: and then this is the other one. He made me 190 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 2: a read about Combs on his birthday. This is what 191 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 2: Mia had to read. She had put this on social media. 192 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 2: Legend rapper, actor, entrepreneur, an extra terrestrial was born. Happy birthday, 193 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 2: thank you for showing me the path to Pluto and beyond. 194 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: Well, that's effective if you are saying I am terrif 195 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: of this person, I am scared of this person. I 196 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: can't stand this person's person. It's ruined my life and 197 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: all these things. And this is years. They have messages 198 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: from years after the alleged abuse started that she is 199 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: still publicly saying this, And I guess she had two 200 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: answers for it. One was, we work for Diddy, he's controlling. 201 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: We are expected to do this publicly. The other one was, 202 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: I'm a sexual abuse survivor. Go talk to my therapist. 203 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 3: Yes, go talk to my therapist. 204 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: Try to understand why. 205 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, because that is the big question. How could 206 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 2: you say one thing and then be feeling another. I 207 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 2: do think it's interesting because this has been something that's 208 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: been alleged about him, that he had an expectation of 209 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 2: praise and so even from having some people pointed out 210 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 2: to having his kids post all of this stuff on 211 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: Instagram about his birthday, she said his birthdays were something 212 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 2: that everyone who worked for him knew. You were expected 213 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 2: to praise him and talk about him on social media 214 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: on his birthday, especially. 215 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: Then she did repeatedly, But again she and again. According 216 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 1: to the observers in the courtroom, she was. She did 217 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: get stern at times and a little annoyed, but she 218 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: stayed composed the entire time, even when the defense attorneys 219 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: were coming after her. There was a key exchange that 220 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: it seemed like everybody was reporting about, and I'll just 221 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: give it to you the way it came about. The 222 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: defense attorney was questioning Mia and said to her quote, 223 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: isn't it true that mister Colmbs never had forcible sexual 224 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: misconduct with you? MIA's response, I have not lied to 225 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: anyone at all. The defense attorney, isn't it true that 226 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: it never happened as many times as you told this jury? Mia, 227 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: Everything I've said in this courtroom is true? The defense attorney, 228 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: What if you're not a victim of sexual assault? Then what? 229 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: She didn't get a chance to answer. Objection from the prosecution, 230 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: and the judge said, sustained. Hold up. You see where 231 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: they're trying to go here to suggest that there's at 232 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: least a question and that all you have to do 233 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: is put it in one juror's mind a question of 234 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: what her motivation was and that she had any incentive 235 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: to lie or to make any of this stuff up right? 236 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: Is it regret versus assault? Because at a certain point, 237 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: if you're looking at her social media accounts, and of 238 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: course she mentioned that Instagram is a place where you 239 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 2: always put your best foot forward, where everyone who's on 240 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 2: Instagram understands that you're actually painting a picture of your 241 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: happy life and you're not posting things about what's going 242 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: wrong in your life. However, like you say, they just 243 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 2: need one dur or to think, hmm, she loved him, 244 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 2: she idolized him, She wanted to do right by him. 245 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: Was it really assault? Was it consensual? Was it just regret? 246 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 2: I mean, these are all the doubts that they're trying 247 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: to put in juror's minds in terms of her testimony, 248 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 2: because she is one of the few who is claiming 249 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: he flat out raped her. 250 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: That is what she said. 251 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: She woke up to him on top of her saying 252 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 2: sh and she just let him do it because saying 253 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: no wasn't an option. 254 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: Okay, to all of that point, there the defense. This 255 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: is that's what they really harped on. But the defense 256 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: went after her again for another message she had sent, 257 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: I believe, sent to his chief of staff after she 258 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: learned that one of his companies she was working for 259 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: was going to be shutting down so she was going 260 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: to lose her job, and this is what she wrote, 261 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to kill myself. My life is over. The 262 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: defense with her asked why wasn't it a relief? Shouldn't 263 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: it have been a relief to be getting out of 264 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: there if you were going to be getting away from 265 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: your abuser? And her response I thought was a good one. 266 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 2: That's when she said, I'd guess you'd have to speak 267 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 2: to my therapist because she can't even explain why she 268 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 2: was acting or reacting the way she was, because perhaps 269 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 2: it took time to put it on into context. I 270 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 2: do think it is interesting that when he did try 271 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: to reach out to her when Cassie's lawsuit became public, 272 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: she did refuse to speak to him, and that is 273 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 2: telling when she had some space and time away from 274 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 2: all of it. But certainly that is a powerful exchange 275 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 2: for the jurors to hear, and she. 276 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: Held her own. If you will the way he was 277 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: coming after you again, doing his job, doing what he's 278 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: supposed to do. And look, there were also some reports 279 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: from observers in the courtroom. Yes they did have to 280 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: go after her, but there were times where the defense 281 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: attorneys were respectful, they were compassionate, evil at even at times, 282 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: and didn't really go after her like we have seen, 283 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: yes in some case. 284 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: I also thought one of her responses was also is 285 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: similar to asking, we'll have to ask my therapist. When 286 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 2: defense attorneys asked her how she could be around a 287 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: man who traumatized her so much, she just said, it's 288 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: called psychological abuse. I thought that was a very powerful 289 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 2: response to their questioning of her reaction to working for 290 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 2: and being around Demand for eight years, who she claims 291 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 2: did so many things to her that were so terrible 292 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 2: and so traumatizing. It's called psychological abuse. And that is 293 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: something we have heard from so many of the folks 294 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: who have taken the stand to testify. They all have 295 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: said similar things. They loved him because when he loved you, 296 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: it was the highest of highs. And then when he turned, 297 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: when they say he suddenly became dark and did horrific, 298 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: awful things, it was unexpected, but the moments of highs 299 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 2: were almost worth the low moments. It's hard to get 300 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: your head around, but that is what all of these 301 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: witnesses have testified to. 302 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: She is. She mentioned it several times, made some reference 303 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: to being in therapy. I think it's clear she probably 304 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: has been, even for quite some time. Like she used 305 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: a couple of technical terms, it sounded like someone who 306 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: has been going through therapy. There was a along those 307 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: lines again with in terms of her having good answers, 308 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: good responses, good comebacks, to where you you can't really 309 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: question her after that. Hey, it's called psychological abuse. I mean, 310 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: what do you say after that? Correct, it's a real thing. 311 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: But there was another back and forth in which she 312 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: again messages up there when she showed a message, they 313 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: showed a message that says she loved Diddy with all 314 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: her heart. Again, this is the guy she said raped 315 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: her repeatedly, and she still wrote a message says she 316 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: loved him with all her heart. Defenses. He only asked 317 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: after she said, that's how I write to people in 318 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: my life. Now, I think that's fair. Some people you 319 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: get accustomed to writing stuff. Sometimes you just say best 320 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: or all my best or with love, or she was 321 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: trying to explain it that way. Does that mess up? 322 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 2: Well? You know, I think that even maybe someone you're 323 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 2: afraid of, you still want to keep in their good 324 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 2: graces because you know he had something over her. 325 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 3: Maybe he could blacklister her. 326 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: All of the things that so many of these witnesses 327 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 2: have testified to that they were afraid of what Diddy 328 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: could do to them if he turned on them. And 329 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: so perhaps when you have somebody they say, keep your 330 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 2: friends close, keep your enemies closer. Maybe she was just 331 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 2: trying to keep it all good between them, and I 332 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 2: can understand that, like just wanting it to all stay 333 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: okay and stay go, and so saying you know, yes, 334 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: I love you with all my heart. 335 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: So she tells the defense attorney that's how I write 336 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: to people in my life. He quickly equipped back, including 337 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: the person you're terrified of, And she quickly equipped back, 338 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: especially the person I'm terrified of. She seemed to be prepared. 339 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: I don't know how much of that is doing testimony prep. 340 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: I don't know how much of that is just natural instinct. 341 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: But she had answers when she knew she was going 342 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: to get questions about how could you say these wonderful 343 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: things about the person you say abused you. 344 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 2: But that makes sense to me, especially the person I'm 345 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 2: terrified of. 346 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 3: That speaks exactly to that. 347 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: Keeping somebody who you're afraid of in a good place 348 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: with you so that they don't do any more damage. 349 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 2: I can understand that. As a human being. I am 350 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: curious if the jurors ken as well. 351 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: I think she did a good job of Even if 352 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: you are confused, you're wondering for a second, or how 353 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: could you do when you hear that response, I think 354 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: you can. As a human being, you can. You can 355 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: make sense of what of what she's saying. So she's 356 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: going to be back on the stand today. Miya will continue. 357 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: One other nugget that came out of this trial that 358 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: was out of DC in fact, and out of the 359 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: White House. We should probably be surprised this is the 360 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: first time we're hearing Trump time in on the Diddy trial. 361 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: But he didn't out of nowhere. He was asked, specifically 362 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: Robes a question, and given that Trump has been on 363 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: a bit of a pardon streak lately, we shouldn't be 364 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: surprised that he got this question. 365 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 2: Yes, they asked him if he would consider pardoning Diddy, 366 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: And the big headline here is that he didn't rule 367 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: it out. He said he had not looked at any 368 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 2: of the details of the case, but that he and 369 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 2: Sean Diddy Combs were friends a while back, years ago. 370 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 2: He said they hadn't talked recently. But he absolutely did 371 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 2: not say, if you read between the lines, he'd consider it. 372 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 1: Oh, he absolutely absolutely said he said, what was it? 373 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: He said he hasn't been asked, but he said, I 374 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: know they're thinking about it, and I think they're close 375 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: to asking his words, I'm not sure where he's getting that. 376 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: I asked you early. Is he just popping off at 377 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: the mouth on this, or if somebody actually asked him 378 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: he feels he's going to be asked soon. Now he 379 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: might just think, well, this thing is wrapping up, or 380 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: it's going to be a verdict soon. I don't know 381 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: what he was thinking, but I wonder if somebody's actually 382 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: in his ear already. 383 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 2: And because this is a federal case, President Trump absolutely 384 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 2: could pardon Ditty if he's convicted, and he could also 385 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 2: take the like wipe away the charges if he wanted 386 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 2: to right now in the middle of the trial. If 387 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 2: he so chose he actually has the power to change 388 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: the course of this trial and the trial and certainly 389 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 2: change the course of Ditty's life. 390 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: What's the one that gave Biden gave FAUSI what was that? 391 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: That was conditional? Like it goes back to a certain 392 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: like he hadn't been charged with anything, right, and he 393 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: pardoned them for stuff he ain't even been charged. 394 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 2: Just in case Trump wanted to indict him on any thing. 395 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 2: Biden tried to give him a blanket preemptive pardon, is 396 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: what they called it. I guess yes at that point. 397 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: So yes, the parting being the pardoning powers of the 398 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: president are extreme, extensive and completely at his choosing. 399 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: So we shall see on that. You imagine another son 400 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: of New York, right that did he could that Trump 401 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: could possibly get out of trouble. We talk about Eric Adams. 402 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: Adams who was facing a federal indictment. His trial was 403 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: his trial was supposed to be what two months ago? Yes, 404 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: and Trump got him out of that when they dropped 405 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: the charges. But to think that Trump could step in, 406 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: I don't know about this one. I don't know if 407 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: he would do that. 408 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: He loves making headlines though, just the idea that he 409 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: could is headline enough for him right now. We'll see 410 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 2: if that keeps him satiated. 411 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 1: All right. But the other thing to keep an eye on. 412 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: Diddy's defense team continues to complain. I swear from the 413 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: very beginning, they've been complaining about the time they're getting 414 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: with their client. They continue to ask for more time, 415 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: they say, and they're not getting enough time to prepare. 416 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: They're getting those robes ninety minutes in the morning before 417 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: four trial starts, and then another two and a half 418 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: hours after the jury lead. 419 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: So that's four hours a day they're getting with their 420 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 2: client to prep and deal with going into court and 421 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 2: coming out of court. So after they complained, the judge said, hey, 422 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 2: guess what, you guys are getting more time with your 423 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: client than almost anyone else. So no other federal prisoner 424 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 2: is getting this much time with his attorneys. So he 425 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 2: shut that argument down, or at least that complaint down 426 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 2: very quickly, and said, you're getting plenty of time. 427 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 3: Four hours is seemingly a lot. 428 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: He's been trying to be accommodating throughout in his responses, 429 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: but he might have reached his limit. The latest thing 430 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: they say, we don't the room isn't big enough to 431 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 1: put all the exhibits in to show him, and that 432 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: was the latest complaint. But hey, his life was on 433 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: the line. That's one. I'm not gonna look this guy 434 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: go to prison the rest of his life. I get that. No, exactly, 435 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: take you time, whatever y'all need to do. 436 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 3: We don't know how much longer. 437 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 2: MIA's cross examination will go with defense attorneys today, but 438 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 2: there are four other witnesses that are slated to potentially 439 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 2: show up today. I can't imagine they squeeze all these in, 440 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 2: but you never know. Enrique Saw he's a radio and 441 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,479 Speaker 2: podcast personality, tried to do a deep dive onto what 442 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 2: he could possibly be testifying to. It's unclear, but perhaps 443 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 2: just maybe the lifestyle. Maybe he understood that he was 444 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 2: in that world or knew some of the celebrities or 445 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: surrounding some of this. Who knows Eddie Garcia, who's a 446 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 2: security guard at the Intercontinental Hotel. He actually got immunity 447 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 2: for his testimony, so to what he may have seen 448 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 2: or participated in a hotel Custodian Frank Piazza, who is 449 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 2: a forensic video expert. So there are several other folks 450 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 2: slated to potentially take. 451 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 3: The stand today, and we will of course keep you updated. 452 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: On all of that Hotel Custodian. 453 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 2: That could be some very disgusting testimony given what we've heard. 454 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: All right, folks, we will continue to keep you updated here. 455 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: We do appreciate you continuing to listen, but thanks so much. 456 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: As always, for now, I'm TJ. Holmes alongside Amy Robock. 457 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: Will see you for the next update. 458 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 3: The Kations, the GA