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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today. We have a

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Speaker 1: very interesting subject and I don't want you to tune

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Speaker 1: out when you hear what it is, because sometimes I

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Speaker 1: feel like tuning out when I hear Kamala Harris speak.

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Speaker 1: But this is going to be our whole history of

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Speaker 1: how did Kamala Harris get to where she is? And

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Speaker 1: I really feel like, because she is a vice president,

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Speaker 1: we should know how did this happen? And so we've

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Speaker 1: decided to bring in an expert. His name is Charlie Spearing.

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Speaker 1: He is a senior political reporter for The Daily Mail

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Speaker 1: and the author of the new book Amateur Hour, which

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Speaker 1: is like such a great title, Amateur Hour, Kamala Harris

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Speaker 1: in the White House. Charlie, thanks for joining me, Thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me absolutely so. I'm going through all of

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Speaker 1: this and I do think that we are wondering how

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Speaker 1: this happened, but you know from the very beginning, and

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Speaker 1: I want to get to that. I just want to

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Speaker 1: kind of dig into something first off, because I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people have gone how did she get here?

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Speaker 1: But the Jill Biden because in your book you talk

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Speaker 1: about Jill Biden not liking her, and I find this

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Speaker 1: interesting because Jill Biden would be in Delaware right now

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Speaker 1: wiping Joe's but if it weren't for Kamala Harris, so

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Speaker 1: I think she should send her a like a fruit

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Speaker 1: basket every week.

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Speaker 2: Well, certainly, Jill Biden is not a huge Kamala fan

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Speaker 2: as we know, as we found out, especially after that

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Speaker 2: moment when she attacked Joe during the primary campaign, accusing

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Speaker 2: him of saying, I'm not saying you're racist, but actually

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Speaker 2: I'm accusing you of being a racist, so kind of

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Speaker 2: highlighting his history on issues of federal bussing. It was

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Speaker 2: clearly a very political attack, very rehearsed attack, and Jill

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Speaker 2: Biden was not happy about that, and she and the

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Speaker 2: family were not happy when Joe's advisors were suggesting that

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Speaker 2: they picked Kamala Harris, that she was their best choice. So,

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Speaker 2: in spite of everything, however, Jill Biden has been cordial

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Speaker 2: with the Vice president at this point, but there's certainly

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Speaker 1: But for Joe, she was absolutely the best choice because

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Speaker 1: I from what I understand, Jill wanted Susan Rice. If

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Speaker 1: that were the case, Joe would have had a medical

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Speaker 1: event already, they would have said, Okay, you're gone. This

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Speaker 1: person is going to step in, having someone completely incompetent,

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Speaker 1: unable to talk. I mean, I love the way that

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Speaker 1: you said that that question was well rehearsed. On the bussing,

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Speaker 1: of course, it was well rehearsed. You would think everything

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Speaker 1: else is well rehearsed. But she can't ever get an

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Speaker 1: gets repeated on and on, like maybe a tweak here,

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Speaker 1: a tweak there, but the whole speech is the same word.

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Speaker 1: So we know that it was well rehearsed. But isn't

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Speaker 1: it true that if there were no Kamala Harris, Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden couldn't possibly be in this position.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big that's a big reason why he's

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Speaker 2: running again for president. If Kamala Harris had emerged as

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Speaker 2: to her cause, they Joe Biden would have happily given

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Speaker 2: absolutely not ready. And Republicans sort of joke that Kamala

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Speaker 2: Harris is his twenty fifth Amendment insurance, because no one's

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Speaker 2: going to totally no one's going to cite the twenty

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Speaker 2: Joe out. So I think that when he first ran

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Speaker 2: that the Democratic Party had earned under his first administration

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Speaker 2: to a new star. But Kamala Harris turned out not

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Speaker 2: Her popularity numbers are even lower than his, so he

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Speaker 2: certainly has to run again, even though maybe that wasn't

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that Jill should be happy though, because

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Speaker 1: she wants She's definitely looking forward to former years in

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Speaker 1: But I want to get to the beginning, like, how

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Speaker 1: And She's like now the second in command and she's

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Speaker 2: Want to go all the way back to her childhood,

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Speaker 2: and she was raised in California, and even portions of

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Speaker 2: it as kind of a feminist household where strong, powerful

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Speaker 1: So it was it always a political path for her?

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Speaker 1: Did she know that? I mean, I know she was

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Speaker 2: The political Well, the key to that is her relationship

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Speaker 2: That's when he meets Kamala Harris. Willie Brown needs to

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Speaker 2: He's currently you know, married to his wife Blanche, even

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris. And Willie Brown's is sixty years old at

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Speaker 2: this point, and Kamala Harris is a twenty nine year

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Speaker 1: Wow, that was that was a compliment. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think we've all heard the stories of Kamala Harris climb

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Speaker 2: Twenty nine years old, Willy Brown's sixty And it's really

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Speaker 2: a relationship of convenience. Willi Brown introduces her to all

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Speaker 2: the wealthy, you know, movers and shakers of San Francisco,

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Speaker 2: in California. When you're running in California, you don't have

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Speaker 2: to necessarily prove yourself to the voters, right you have

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Speaker 2: sort of what he did throughout his entire career. But

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Speaker 2: he also gave her a few other perks as well.

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Speaker 2: She was appointed to multiple state boards in California, you

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Speaker 2: She earned about four hundred thousand over a period just

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Speaker 1: What did she have to give Willy Brown for all.

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Speaker 2: Of this, Well, she certainly had, you know, was his

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Speaker 2: People were there was a specific report talking about potential

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Speaker 2: sort of broke off that relationship right before the inauguration.

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Speaker 2: It's funny. At the election party, Kamala Harris was featured

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Speaker 2: And then when it came time for the inauguration, Kamala

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Speaker 2: it was very clear that Willy Brown was done with

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Speaker 1: So not only was this a grooming of sorts relationship wise,

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Speaker 1: But somehow, at some point she becomes close with Obama

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So Kamala ended up getting hired by the San

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Speaker 2: running her own campaign against him as kind of a

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Speaker 2: this ur arguably very progressive prosecutor Terrence Holland on he

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. At what point does Obama come

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Speaker 2: Yes, when Obama's running for office, Kamala Harris famously endorses

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Speaker 2: some of these like roundtables. But right now she's in

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Speaker 2: She has a couple of speeches pre sort of pre

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Speaker 2: planned speeches that she's been practicing, and that's kind of

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Speaker 1: Quite honestly going through what we just did. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you look at this history. This is a woman who

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Speaker 1: came out she's an attorney. She has kind of this

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Speaker 1: socialite party lifestyle, and she parties her way into some

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Speaker 1: really big contract where she's just sitting on a board

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Speaker 1: and making massive amounts of money at a very young age.

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Speaker 1: And then at some point she marries a man who

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Speaker 1: has two children. She does not have children of her own,

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Speaker 1: and has always been in with the elite, is at

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Speaker 1: the highest level of the elite. Once she becomes vice president,

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Speaker 1: how does she connect to the average American family when

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Speaker 1: she's never been involved in anything remotely close to that.

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Speaker 2: Right, She got married to Doug em hofft right before

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Speaker 2: she launched her senate race, and so that sort of

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Speaker 2: relationship has been you know, it's been very useful for

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Speaker 2: her because Doug Emoff has his own connections to wealthy

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Speaker 2: Hollywood donors, you know, as an entertainment as an entertainment lawyer,

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Speaker 2: and so the two of them have sort of emerged

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Speaker 2: as this kind of power couple and with Kamala Harris

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Speaker 2: being the lead on that. But at this point, like

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Speaker 2: Doug Emhoff is more comfortable being in the public spotlight.

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Speaker 2: He seems to enjoy life in Washington, whereas Kamala Harris

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Speaker 2: doesn't really like doesn't really like the schmoozing, doesn't really

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Speaker 2: like being that that, doesn't really like that aspect of

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Speaker 2: the job. She'd rather sort of focus on what she's

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Speaker 2: comfortable with.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like she hasn't had the opportunity to focus

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Speaker 1: on that. Whatever that is. If that's prosecuting Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: it's it's not her purview right now. That's not in

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Speaker 1: her lane. So I'm not sure what is in her lane.

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Speaker 1: But I just want to quickly bring Gavin Newsom into

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Speaker 1: this because there have been a lot of people who

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Speaker 1: have said Gavin Newsom will step in for Biden at

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Speaker 1: the convention, They'll take him out, They'll put like Gavin in.

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Speaker 1: What the question is is like, well, what happens to Kamala.

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Speaker 1: I've heard some crazy stories like, oh, they'll switch, she'll

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Speaker 1: become governor. They hate each other, they can't be on

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Speaker 1: the same ticket. How could you ever take you? I mean,

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Speaker 1: the thing I think everybody knows is you can't ta

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Speaker 1: Kamala off the ticket. That's that's a non starter. So

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom, how could they even be together?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's right. Right now, they're just praying that they

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Speaker 2: can get Biden pass the finish line and they're doing

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Speaker 2: everything they can to sort of protect him and get

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Speaker 2: him there. And once they cross the finish line, and

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Speaker 2: this is a big reason of why I wrote the book,

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Speaker 2: is if Joe Biden can run and win in November,

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Speaker 2: then there's a very good chance that Kamala Harris could

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Speaker 2: be the forty seventh President of the United States. If

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden steps down and can't finish his full term,

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Speaker 2: that and then you don't even need Gavin Newsom at all. However,

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Speaker 2: if Joe Biden can't make it to election day, the

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Speaker 2: entire party is going to explode because there's so many

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Speaker 2: different donors with different ideas of who should be the

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Speaker 2: next heir apparent to the party. There's everyone knows and

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Speaker 2: everyone doesn't like Kamala Harris. It's amazing in DC when

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Speaker 2: you're found wanting, DC can be pretty cruel, and they

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Speaker 2: definitely are behind the scenes. You don't see anything in

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Speaker 2: public because Democrats don't want to be accused of being

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Speaker 2: a racist and a sexist. But behind the scenes, they

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Speaker 2: are fully disparaging of Kamala Harris, knowing that there's no

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Speaker 2: way she could run and win against Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: That's so funny, Like everything that they live for and

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Speaker 1: believe they it's just all blowney Listen, I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: that if it comes down to it, Joe Biden's staff

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Speaker 1: will pull that Brazilian woman at the bank with the

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Speaker 1: man in the wheelchair and wheel his dead body up

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Speaker 1: to the ballot box and vote for himself even though

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Speaker 1: he's gone. Like they are so determined to get him

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Speaker 1: back into office.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it's not just the Biden team, it's the

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Speaker 2: Obama team, it's every Democrat in the country. There were

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Speaker 2: some serious conversations earlier this year of how can we

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Speaker 2: how can he possibly run and win? He's so old

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Speaker 2: and he looks so bad. Even Obama staffers were just

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Speaker 2: cringing at the very idea. But they've really worked hard

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Speaker 2: to sort of put this together to get him out

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Speaker 2: on the campaign trail. Hold some of these moments, you know,

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Speaker 2: taking the short stairs onto Air Force One. He hasn't

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Speaker 2: fallen yet, and really they're feeling pretty confident at this point,

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Speaker 2: especially after the State of the Union, but there's still

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Speaker 2: one hundred and some days to go. So every day,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure everyone's holding their breath every time they see

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Speaker 2: him walk on to a stage or climb the stairs

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Speaker 2: to the presidential plane. At this point, Oh.

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Speaker 1: You know they are. You can hear a pin drop.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's like, Okay, good grief. Well, I am so grateful

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Speaker 1: to you for doing all of this research. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for coming on. Charlie Spearing, tell us where

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Speaker 1: people can get the book.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can find the book anywhere books are sold,

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Speaker 2: especially on Amazon, and follow me on Twitter at Charlie

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Speaker 2: Spearing and Instagram and happy to interact with anybody who

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Speaker 2: has questions about the book or once a book signed.

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Speaker 2: So I really appreciate you having me on to talk

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Speaker 2: about it with you and your audience. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you for coming on, and thank you all

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Speaker 1: out there for joining us for the Tutor Dixon Podcast.

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