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Speaker 1: Pushkin.

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Speaker 2: Hey, this is Jake. I want to let you know

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Speaker 2: that I'm hard at work on the next season of

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Speaker 2: deep Cover. It's a crazy tale and I'm very excited

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Speaker 2: to share it with you. It should be ready in

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Speaker 2: the spring, but in the meantime, I've got something for

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Speaker 2: you to listen to. Now. It's not my story. It's

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Speaker 2: from Australia from a guy named Ali Wards, and it's

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Speaker 2: a tale that I enjoyed so much I've decided to

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Speaker 2: drop the whole thing into the feed now. Look to

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Speaker 2: be clear, this is not a deep Cover production. It's

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Speaker 2: a limited series by the Unravel podcast team and Ali

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Speaker 2: Wards at ABC Australia that we're sharing. And here's what

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Speaker 2: I love about what they did and why it feels

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Speaker 2: so right for the deep Cover feed. It's basically a

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Speaker 2: story of this lovable family from New Zealand, the Wards mom, dad,

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Speaker 2: and three grown sons, Olli he's the youngest. Then comes

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Speaker 2: along this American woman named Leslie, who is a character

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Speaker 2: right out of deep Cover, which is to say she's charming, smart,

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Speaker 2: fast talking and full of deception. Anyway, Leslie ends up

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Speaker 2: upside down and then she disappears.

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Speaker 3: But here's the.

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Speaker 2: Part I love Ollie. The youngest brother, well, he sets

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Speaker 2: out to solve the mystery of who this woman was

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Speaker 2: and what she was after he chases her across the

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Speaker 2: globe until he finds her, and he also goes deep

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Speaker 2: into his family's own dynamics, which is dicey because his

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Speaker 2: brother Greg had really fallen in love with this woman.

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Speaker 2: So imagine if your family stumbled into the smoke and

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Speaker 2: mirrors world of deep Cover and then your kid brother

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Speaker 2: turns it into a podcast. You see why Got Hooked? Now,

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Speaker 2: just a heads up, this doesn't exactly sound like a

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Speaker 2: deep Cover production. The music is a bit different and

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Speaker 2: they occasionally use some voice actors, but the story is

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Speaker 2: gripping and touching because it's rooted in family and a

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Speaker 2: brother's epic adventure to find answers and make his family whole.

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Speaker 2: Stay tuned for the next season of deep Cover in

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Speaker 2: the Spring and now Here's Snowball.

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Speaker 4: This series contains occasional course language. I was the EMBc

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Speaker 4: at my brother's wedding. I did all the usual stuff, housekeeping, toasts.

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Speaker 4: I tried to crack a few jokes, but inside I

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Speaker 4: didn't add up. I didn't tell anyone how I felt,

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Speaker 4: probably couldn't have explained it anyway. My brother was happy,

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Speaker 4: That's what matters, right, But maybe I should have paid

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Speaker 4: my brother's marriage that fell apart. My whole family went

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Speaker 5: This woman's a bit kind of like, you know, not

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Speaker 6: She had this dark, vivacious, a surface skin and look

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Speaker 7: I guess when you marry someone you feel like you

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Speaker 8: And that was her allure.

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Speaker 4: You just followed her.

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Speaker 6: She did a manipulative con artist stand by.

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Speaker 2: We call her the Black Widow.

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Speaker 1: This snowball is about the.

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Speaker 4: Day when my mum and dad found out that they

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Speaker 9: Ordered and he said to me, I'll have a so

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Speaker 1: I almost fainted. I went blank.

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Speaker 4: My parents, in their sixties, went from living in a

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Speaker 4: Recently I started learning about what happened, and I kind

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Speaker 4: Australian radio station, Triple J, helping other people tell stories,

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Speaker 9: There's also a lot of randomness there with the story

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Speaker 9: muggled out of Armenia.

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Speaker 1: What whoa explain?

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Speaker 11: This was not how normal friendship works.

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Speaker 12: We were like her little duckling's following behind her, lots.

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Speaker 1: Of little intrigues. Thirty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 8: We joked that they were hired.

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Speaker 6: Its personality bubbly, She was rather lovely, He was rock.

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Speaker 4: The stranger things get, the more questions I have about

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Speaker 4: How did she just get away? And who really is

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Speaker 4: Leslie Minoukian? In this season of unravel, I'm going to

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Speaker 4: I'm Molly Ward's and this is Snowball.

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Speaker 1: So this is recording? Is it? Is there an option

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Speaker 4: Surely there's no better subject than yourself.

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Speaker 7: So it's one or two sentences to describe who I am.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'm a key.

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Speaker 7: We mail late thirties, probably quite typical, trying to pay

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Speaker 4: I guess my brother Greg is typical in lots of ways.

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Speaker 7: There's a term for people interested in Europe, which is eurofile.

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Speaker 7: I think I was an American a file.

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Speaker 4: So like one night recently, I was brushing my teeth

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Speaker 7: think it's the North Koreans anyway, that's me.

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Speaker 4: Now, this whole thing starts when Greg went off on

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Speaker 4: So he's wandering through the party. He steps outside to

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Speaker 4: In the corner of the courtyard, there's a woman with long,

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Speaker 4: That sophistication might have been to do with her being

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Speaker 7: Literally, it was more like the concept of America, as

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Speaker 4: I've never heard of another guy describing being attracted to

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Speaker 7: You know, if you're interested in politics, they are a superpower.

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Speaker 4: Greg was also taken in by Leslie's wild story about why.

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Speaker 7: So it originally was to escape from Hawaii because some

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Speaker 4: Leslie would tell everyone some version of the story. I

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Speaker 1: The bar was called the Breakwater.

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Speaker 4: Things were going well until one day Leslie caught the

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Speaker 4: When she confronted him, he told her he planned to

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Speaker 4: Leslie said it all culminated one night when she was

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Speaker 4: From there she saw the head of security with some

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Speaker 4: She was lucky though they didn't look under the bed.

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Speaker 4: As soon as they left, Leslie went to the airport.

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Speaker 4: Her dad charted a plane and she escaped to Europe. So,

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Speaker 10: But you would expect that of Greg. He's not a

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Speaker 4: But what do you mean by that?

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Speaker 4: In London, Leslie managed a couple of bars.

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Speaker 1: You know, she knew how to sort of work people.

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Speaker 7: And I'm one of the words financial capitals getting beer

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Speaker 4: So you felt like a bit of a rock star

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Speaker 4: Yes, Greg's friend Andy did wonder where it was all

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Speaker 10: It's just one of her crafty ways of showing.

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Speaker 4: I spoth. Things were getting pretty serious between Greg and

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Speaker 4: Leslie and as the saying goes, first comes love, then

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Speaker 4: I wondered if it was because she was so much

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Speaker 4: After only a few months they moved in together. Things

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Speaker 4: The winter after they first met, Greg proposed to Leslie.

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Speaker 4: It was snowing on Christmas Day and they were at

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Speaker 7: She honestly was buying everything like Donald Duck, key Ring's

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Speaker 4: So you had a ring burning a hole in your pocket.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I don't even remember if I had a ring

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Speaker 4: The Johnny Depp Pirates of the Caribbean restaurant.

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Speaker 7: Look, Ollie, the whole thing is the entire time I

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Speaker 7: It was romantic, it was snowing, everything was cool, and

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Speaker 7: I thought.

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Speaker 1: This is the right thing to do.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we were in love.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 4: Just after he proposed, Greg followed his fiance back home

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Speaker 4: to the superpower he had always wanted to visit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, first time in the United States.

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Speaker 4: They expected New York to be paved in gold instead

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Speaker 4: Then it was to the West Coast to stay in

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Speaker 4: Leslie's childhood home in Orange County, California. Leslie always said

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Speaker 4: imagine her house to be like a mansion off Laguna Beach. Nah,

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Speaker 7: Middle income America as you could possibly find.

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Speaker 4: Leslie was warm and social, but it turned out that

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Speaker 4: Remember, Leslie was nearly forty years old at this point,

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Speaker 7: There was a camera above the front door, like a

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Speaker 4: Something about that didn't add up for Greg, but he

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Speaker 4: well as to avoid any discomfort with Leslie's conservative parents,

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Speaker 4: they arranged to get hitched quickly at a courthouse in

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Speaker 4: The ceremony was brief. The registry office was no frills,

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Speaker 4: just a vase of flowers in the corner. Greg was happy,

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Speaker 7: I was quite keen to not have that situation, but

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Speaker 1: What was sort of and I thought, Hey, what else

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Speaker 4: Here? A man, I've done the deed. I want to

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Speaker 4: do the deed.

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Speaker 1: Her parents were very, very conservative.

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Speaker 4: It didn't matter too much though, because they weren't planning

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Speaker 4: But when it came time to leave California, it seemed

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Speaker 1: They took us out to the airport to lax, and

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Speaker 4: But it was all, you know, moving to New Zealand

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 7: Look, mate, I don't remember ever any optimism of Leslie

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Now, whether that's because you know, it's a loved one

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Speaker 1: Knows, Like, what do you mean by that? What would

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Speaker 1: another reason be, like knowing that she's going to get

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Speaker 4: It's late at night as Greg and I talk on

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Speaker 1: So none that's true.

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Speaker 7: Say that again, Well, none of that's true, less the

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Speaker 7: water tanks for the US.

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Speaker 1: Army, not armaments. It was water tanks.

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Speaker 4: I think she told me he built tanks for the

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Speaker 1: Look, he was an Enginet, so he was Iranian.

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Speaker 7: He was born in Sorry he was actually he was

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Speaker 1: Leslie's bad.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, sorry, No adopted father, I never No one's as

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Speaker 7: far as I know, were least of all us has

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Speaker 15: She was adopted, right, Okay, I don't know that, but ma'am,

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Speaker 4: So somebody adopted a baby with a trust fund.

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Speaker 7: Well, this is where, like you know, there's so many

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Speaker 1: Live in the moment and move on. It's just it

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Speaker 4: I knew this story had lots of strange tentacles, but

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's obviously a bit older than me.

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Speaker 4: How much older?

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Speaker 7: Well, she had two birthdates, so I never actually know

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Speaker 7: you what do you mean she had two birthdays?

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Speaker 1: I feel like I ask, what do you mean? A lot?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's fine, more in this situation, you should it

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Speaker 7: you mean she had two birthdays? She had two different

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Speaker 7: passports as well?

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Speaker 4: What, Well, we'll explained explain.

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Speaker 7: So there was a US passport, but that there was

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Speaker 4: You didn't think that was strange?

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Speaker 1: Were what.

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Speaker 1: It was.

443
00:26:50,836 --> 00:26:58,516
Speaker 7: Smuggled out of Armenia, the passport was smuggled out of Noh.

444
00:26:58,636 --> 00:26:59,116
Speaker 1: She was.

445
00:27:01,596 --> 00:27:07,676
Speaker 7: Wow, so we've got that piece, plus all the Hawaiians

446
00:27:07,676 --> 00:27:08,516
Speaker 7: attacking her.

447
00:27:11,676 --> 00:27:13,636
Speaker 1: Mate. She's an enigma.

448
00:27:27,796 --> 00:27:31,476
Speaker 4: Oh hey, Roy, Yeah, I want you to meet my

449
00:27:31,836 --> 00:27:33,196
Speaker 4: older brother, Simon.

450
00:27:33,196 --> 00:27:34,836
Speaker 3: My name Simon, I'm your brother.

451
00:27:35,196 --> 00:27:37,676
Speaker 4: I'm the youngest of us brothers. Greg is in the middle.

452
00:27:37,876 --> 00:27:42,676
Speaker 4: Simon's the oldest. Simon can be intimidating, but he's also charismatic,

453
00:27:43,076 --> 00:27:45,276
Speaker 4: like he'd gate crash your party and then be the

454
00:27:45,316 --> 00:27:48,676
Speaker 4: life of it. He's got a shaved head, thick black beard.

455
00:27:48,996 --> 00:27:51,156
Speaker 4: Can you can get in a few sentences just describe

456
00:27:51,196 --> 00:27:54,356
Speaker 4: yourself for people listening, like, you know, how would you

457
00:27:54,756 --> 00:27:56,636
Speaker 4: in a couple of sentences sum yourself up?

458
00:27:56,996 --> 00:27:57,396
Speaker 1: I don't know.

459
00:27:58,116 --> 00:28:04,356
Speaker 3: I'm an artist, a lover, not no, I'm a brother.

460
00:28:04,516 --> 00:28:06,476
Speaker 3: You're like, what are you men for?

461
00:28:06,596 --> 00:28:09,796
Speaker 4: Kiwi's at home like Simon. When Leslie Minuki turned up,

462
00:28:09,996 --> 00:28:12,396
Speaker 4: she was pretty full on. She was a real different

463
00:28:12,476 --> 00:28:13,356
Speaker 4: character to have around.

464
00:28:14,436 --> 00:28:16,796
Speaker 1: It was. It was just it was. It was a

465
00:28:16,796 --> 00:28:17,356
Speaker 1: bit weird.

466
00:28:17,716 --> 00:28:20,836
Speaker 3: And to tell you the truth, the only interaction I've

467
00:28:20,876 --> 00:28:24,316
Speaker 3: ever had with an American I think, like a proper American,

468
00:28:24,476 --> 00:28:28,276
Speaker 3: Like she's like the quintessential kind of Kelly chick with

469
00:28:28,356 --> 00:28:31,996
Speaker 3: that strong accent. I'd just seen that on TV. Just

470
00:28:32,236 --> 00:28:36,116
Speaker 3: interactions with her. I remember it feeling a bit like TV,

471
00:28:36,516 --> 00:28:37,156
Speaker 3: just because.

472
00:28:37,116 --> 00:28:39,276
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, sort of like an intensity.

473
00:28:39,796 --> 00:28:44,556
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, wicked intensity. It didn't seem like this huge

474
00:28:44,636 --> 00:28:49,716
Speaker 3: love affair. But Greg's quite in dressed anyway. He's quite

475
00:28:50,156 --> 00:28:53,996
Speaker 3: a dreusting guy. So something that may seem strange and

476
00:28:54,196 --> 00:28:57,396
Speaker 3: in another situation, I'm like, oh, this is just Greg,

477
00:28:57,596 --> 00:28:58,396
Speaker 3: this is my brother.

478
00:28:58,756 --> 00:29:01,996
Speaker 4: Gregg's Kui mates also found Leslie quite buzzy.

479
00:29:02,436 --> 00:29:05,476
Speaker 12: You were very quick to get wrapped up in Leslie

480
00:29:05,516 --> 00:29:09,956
Speaker 12: because she was like the life of the past. She'd

481
00:29:09,996 --> 00:29:13,236
Speaker 12: roll up with you know, her Jaegermeister. And to be honest,

482
00:29:13,276 --> 00:29:14,996
Speaker 12: back then, I was so I was ten years ago,

483
00:29:14,996 --> 00:29:18,716
Speaker 12: I was twenty four. So here's this check who was

484
00:29:18,756 --> 00:29:21,476
Speaker 12: like just paying for everything like she was always I mean,

485
00:29:21,476 --> 00:29:23,876
Speaker 12: can I talk about drugs? She was always supplying weed

486
00:29:24,116 --> 00:29:28,476
Speaker 12: and Jaegermeister it's a quick way to a twenty four

487
00:29:28,556 --> 00:29:29,956
Speaker 12: year old's hot weed and yager.

488
00:29:29,796 --> 00:29:31,716
Speaker 1: Mustad oh one hundred percent right.

489
00:29:32,196 --> 00:29:35,076
Speaker 4: Most people were like sweet ass, but for some others

490
00:29:35,436 --> 00:29:37,116
Speaker 4: it was a bit much like.

491
00:29:37,156 --> 00:29:39,356
Speaker 12: For instance, she said, come over, we'll have a drink

492
00:29:39,356 --> 00:29:39,956
Speaker 12: of wine.

493
00:29:40,076 --> 00:29:41,116
Speaker 4: We'd go over there and.

494
00:29:41,236 --> 00:29:43,276
Speaker 12: Have a really expensive bottle of red or something, and

495
00:29:43,276 --> 00:29:45,596
Speaker 12: I'll mention all you that's a really nice bottle.

496
00:29:46,196 --> 00:29:47,276
Speaker 8: She'd turn up the next.

497
00:29:47,196 --> 00:29:49,356
Speaker 12: Day with like a whole case of the stuff and

498
00:29:49,476 --> 00:29:50,556
Speaker 12: be like, this is for you.

499
00:29:50,636 --> 00:29:54,116
Speaker 11: Every time we caught out, she was always showering us

500
00:29:54,156 --> 00:29:59,676
Speaker 11: and gifts, like giving us literally gifts, paying for everything,

501
00:30:00,116 --> 00:30:04,556
Speaker 11: free alcohol, This is amazing. But when it was every

502
00:30:04,636 --> 00:30:06,716
Speaker 11: catch up, I started to be like, this is weird.

503
00:30:07,356 --> 00:30:13,276
Speaker 11: This is not how normal and shipwork.

504
00:30:17,236 --> 00:30:18,116
Speaker 8: Don't put it near me.

505
00:30:19,396 --> 00:30:20,876
Speaker 4: What needs to come near you to record?

506
00:30:20,876 --> 00:30:21,956
Speaker 8: You're just looking at me?

507
00:30:22,516 --> 00:30:28,796
Speaker 4: What that's my mum Julie describing my microphone. Mom's a

508
00:30:28,836 --> 00:30:31,676
Speaker 4: tall lady. She used to be self conscious as a teenager.

509
00:30:32,076 --> 00:30:33,876
Speaker 4: One time she danced with her friend in the girl's

510
00:30:33,916 --> 00:30:35,836
Speaker 4: bathroom because she didn't think any of the boys would

511
00:30:35,836 --> 00:30:38,156
Speaker 4: want to dance with a taller girl, but now she

512
00:30:38,276 --> 00:30:40,876
Speaker 4: owns it. She's pretty sassy and sarcastic.

513
00:30:41,636 --> 00:30:44,796
Speaker 8: Could you just put it sort of over there down there?

514
00:30:45,676 --> 00:30:48,716
Speaker 4: Can you start by just why don't you tell me

515
00:30:48,716 --> 00:30:51,556
Speaker 4: a little bit about yourself? Hello?

516
00:30:52,476 --> 00:30:58,396
Speaker 6: I'm the mother of three boys who I thought I

517
00:30:58,436 --> 00:31:03,276
Speaker 6: would not survive their upbringing. I love the three of

518
00:31:03,316 --> 00:31:07,436
Speaker 6: them to bits. The one we're going to speak of

519
00:31:08,356 --> 00:31:17,276
Speaker 6: is our lovely Greg, who is a kind, fast seeing, intelligent,

520
00:31:18,676 --> 00:31:21,716
Speaker 6: good looking young man. And that people used to even

521
00:31:21,756 --> 00:31:25,316
Speaker 6: say he looked like Tom Cruise, so that must be

522
00:31:25,356 --> 00:31:29,436
Speaker 6: a measure. But in that it seems there's been a

523
00:31:29,436 --> 00:31:30,636
Speaker 6: bit of vulnerability.

524
00:31:31,236 --> 00:31:34,596
Speaker 4: My brother is kind, but I got to say, he

525
00:31:34,636 --> 00:31:38,076
Speaker 4: doesn't look like Tom Cruise. I reckon. Mum thought Leslie

526
00:31:38,076 --> 00:31:39,196
Speaker 4: looked like a movie star too.

527
00:31:40,196 --> 00:31:41,276
Speaker 8: She was rather lovely.

528
00:31:41,436 --> 00:31:48,076
Speaker 6: She had this dark, vivacious a surface skin and look

529
00:31:48,156 --> 00:31:54,116
Speaker 6: to her personality bubbly, very yah yeah American.

530
00:31:55,316 --> 00:31:58,436
Speaker 8: You know how Americans have the accent where they going

531
00:31:58,516 --> 00:32:01,276
Speaker 8: yeah yeah yah yah yah yea yeah, yeah, yeah, I know,

532
00:32:02,076 --> 00:32:06,996
Speaker 8: I just know. So I said, oh, yes, it's just American,

533
00:32:07,036 --> 00:32:08,116
Speaker 8: and we got on with it.

534
00:32:08,476 --> 00:32:11,116
Speaker 4: Mum ended up hanging out with Leslie like every day.

535
00:32:11,476 --> 00:32:12,356
Speaker 8: Each day.

536
00:32:13,676 --> 00:32:16,556
Speaker 6: She would get up and make me take her somewhere

537
00:32:17,356 --> 00:32:19,036
Speaker 6: like let's go. And I was happy to do it

538
00:32:19,076 --> 00:32:19,756
Speaker 6: for goodness sake.

539
00:32:20,916 --> 00:32:22,396
Speaker 4: What was the kind of plan though, I mean, what

540
00:32:22,436 --> 00:32:23,156
Speaker 4: were they going to be doing.

541
00:32:23,156 --> 00:32:28,116
Speaker 6: It's going to buy a business in New Zealand of

542
00:32:28,156 --> 00:32:37,716
Speaker 6: a hospitality nature. One day, she'd been trawling through things

543
00:32:37,796 --> 00:32:41,076
Speaker 6: up in her bedroom and she came down and she said,

544
00:32:41,196 --> 00:32:44,836
Speaker 6: I've found it. I've got it. She said, this is

545
00:32:44,876 --> 00:32:47,396
Speaker 6: a sign I have to buy this place.

546
00:32:48,196 --> 00:32:49,156
Speaker 4: And what was the sign.

547
00:32:49,276 --> 00:32:54,516
Speaker 6: The sign was that she had a big dragonfly tattooed

548
00:32:54,516 --> 00:32:55,316
Speaker 6: across her back.

549
00:32:55,916 --> 00:32:58,556
Speaker 4: And so the cafe is called the Dragonfly. She's got

550
00:32:58,556 --> 00:33:03,396
Speaker 4: a dragonfly tattoo. It's a sign meant to be. The

551
00:33:03,476 --> 00:33:06,876
Speaker 4: Dragonfly Cafe was in a small town called Matticana, an

552
00:33:06,916 --> 00:33:11,716
Speaker 4: hours drive north of Auckland. Around Medicana, lush native bush

553
00:33:11,796 --> 00:33:15,636
Speaker 4: and farms sit next to sandy white beaches. There's a

554
00:33:15,676 --> 00:33:19,636
Speaker 4: farmer's market vibe. Sometimes ducks waddle around town from the river,

555
00:33:19,756 --> 00:33:22,956
Speaker 4: which is lit up by fairy lights at night. The

556
00:33:23,036 --> 00:33:26,436
Speaker 4: Dragonfly was on the main road leading into Meticana. At

557
00:33:26,476 --> 00:33:29,156
Speaker 4: the front, a gift shop sold scented candles and beach

558
00:33:29,196 --> 00:33:33,076
Speaker 4: house knickknacks. On the back patio. The cafe looked down

559
00:33:33,076 --> 00:33:38,076
Speaker 4: a slope towards a natural waterfall, all surrounded by native bush.

560
00:33:38,236 --> 00:33:40,636
Speaker 4: If you looked back up towards the cafe, you'd see

561
00:33:40,636 --> 00:33:42,716
Speaker 4: a house with a log cabin feel to it, with

562
00:33:42,796 --> 00:33:46,596
Speaker 4: exposed wooden beams. This is where Greg and Leslie would live.

563
00:33:47,276 --> 00:33:50,836
Speaker 8: It was lovely seaper staff.

564
00:33:51,276 --> 00:33:53,636
Speaker 1: And you remember how much it was going to be.

565
00:33:53,636 --> 00:34:00,236
Speaker 8: Worth over a million.

566
00:34:01,636 --> 00:34:04,396
Speaker 6: Because it had the house with it in the beautiful

567
00:34:04,516 --> 00:34:06,636
Speaker 6: land and the business.

568
00:34:11,556 --> 00:34:15,196
Speaker 4: Okay, ready to rock and roll, And finally from our fam,

569
00:34:15,236 --> 00:34:16,836
Speaker 4: this is my dad, David.

570
00:34:17,436 --> 00:34:22,156
Speaker 9: I am a kei we fellow who has had lots

571
00:34:22,196 --> 00:34:27,236
Speaker 9: of jobs, met lots of people. I feel feely comfortable

572
00:34:27,276 --> 00:34:32,516
Speaker 9: in myself. I have developed a fairly strong Christian faith

573
00:34:33,396 --> 00:34:35,596
Speaker 9: and I think that's served me very.

574
00:34:35,476 --> 00:34:38,276
Speaker 4: Well my whole life. Dad has looked the same. He's

575
00:34:38,276 --> 00:34:42,876
Speaker 4: got a round, warm face, incapable of showing anger, square glasses,

576
00:34:43,276 --> 00:34:46,956
Speaker 4: silver gray hair, just only on the sides. Maybe it's

577
00:34:46,996 --> 00:34:48,756
Speaker 4: because I've been away from home for so long, but

578
00:34:48,836 --> 00:34:51,676
Speaker 4: sometimes I hear Dad like Murray the manager from Flight

579
00:34:51,716 --> 00:34:54,316
Speaker 4: of the Concords. Oh you're like a cool looking pair

580
00:34:54,356 --> 00:34:56,636
Speaker 4: of it. It it's Dad was there to help Leslie

581
00:34:56,636 --> 00:34:58,196
Speaker 4: get set up when she came to New Zealand.

582
00:34:58,636 --> 00:35:02,436
Speaker 9: So she needed a lawyer in order to look at

583
00:35:02,476 --> 00:35:06,956
Speaker 9: properties and do some conveyancing. And I thought, poor girl,

584
00:35:07,796 --> 00:35:10,756
Speaker 9: she doesn't know anybody can have our lawyer, So I

585
00:35:10,836 --> 00:35:11,756
Speaker 9: introduced her.

586
00:35:11,636 --> 00:35:12,396
Speaker 1: To our lawyer.

587
00:35:12,716 --> 00:35:15,116
Speaker 4: This Auckland based lawyer had been acting for mom and

588
00:35:15,196 --> 00:35:18,356
Speaker 4: dad for twenty five years. When my parents bought their

589
00:35:18,356 --> 00:35:21,796
Speaker 4: house in nineteen eighty two, he was there. Dad bought

590
00:35:21,796 --> 00:35:24,236
Speaker 4: a business that hired out party equipment. He worked on that.

591
00:35:24,756 --> 00:35:26,156
Speaker 4: It made sense to get him on the job for

592
00:35:26,236 --> 00:35:28,556
Speaker 4: Leslie too, now that she was part of the family.

593
00:35:29,156 --> 00:35:32,756
Speaker 4: With that sorted, Leslie went to New Zealand's state owned bank,

594
00:35:33,076 --> 00:35:36,636
Speaker 4: creatively titled Kiwi Bank, and she asked for a loan.

595
00:35:37,156 --> 00:35:39,876
Speaker 4: The conditions included Leslie proving to Kiwi Bank that she

596
00:35:39,956 --> 00:35:42,836
Speaker 4: had a trust fund. She was able to show the

597
00:35:42,876 --> 00:35:45,916
Speaker 4: bank that she had five million US dollars in her

598
00:35:45,996 --> 00:35:49,316
Speaker 4: trust fund and five thousand coming to her each month

599
00:35:49,716 --> 00:35:52,276
Speaker 4: for life, but Leslie had only just come to New

600
00:35:52,356 --> 00:35:55,196
Speaker 4: Zealand and she was still on a tourist visa. Another

601
00:35:55,236 --> 00:35:58,196
Speaker 4: condition of the loan was having a Keywi garanteur. Dad

602
00:35:58,236 --> 00:36:00,596
Speaker 4: had just sold his party higher company and retired, so

603
00:36:00,676 --> 00:36:02,316
Speaker 4: it seemed natural for them to get involved.

604
00:36:02,756 --> 00:36:04,436
Speaker 9: There were a lot of people that were sort of

605
00:36:04,476 --> 00:36:11,956
Speaker 9: saying things. She'd cautioning us, you sure, that's a huge

606
00:36:11,956 --> 00:36:16,476
Speaker 9: thing to do, And I was thinking, Leslie seems to

607
00:36:16,516 --> 00:36:18,316
Speaker 9: be on top of all this. She has all this

608
00:36:19,036 --> 00:36:26,436
Speaker 9: fantastic references from running restaurants over in America and in Hawaii.

609
00:36:28,156 --> 00:36:32,436
Speaker 9: She talks to talk. She convinced our lawyer that it

610
00:36:32,476 --> 00:36:33,276
Speaker 9: was a good thing to do.

611
00:36:34,236 --> 00:36:36,156
Speaker 4: I tried to talk to this lawyer, but he didn't

612
00:36:36,156 --> 00:36:38,596
Speaker 4: want to be interviewed, and in case that happened later,

613
00:36:38,876 --> 00:36:40,556
Speaker 4: he said he never told mom and Dad that it

614
00:36:40,596 --> 00:36:42,796
Speaker 4: was a great venture. He said he doesn't give that

615
00:36:42,876 --> 00:36:46,196
Speaker 4: kind of advice to his clients. But Dad remembers things differently.

616
00:36:46,916 --> 00:36:50,556
Speaker 9: He said to me, you don't have to do anything, David,

617
00:36:50,676 --> 00:36:55,956
Speaker 9: because I would say she's a human dynamo. It's his words,

618
00:36:56,036 --> 00:36:59,916
Speaker 9: she is a human dynamo. We're thinking every now and again,

619
00:36:59,956 --> 00:37:02,116
Speaker 9: you've got to stick your neck out. You stick your

620
00:37:02,196 --> 00:37:08,476
Speaker 9: neck out and it'll pay off. So we guaranteed alone

621
00:37:08,316 --> 00:37:12,876
Speaker 9: on loan to purchase one and a half million dollars

622
00:37:12,916 --> 00:37:15,596
Speaker 9: worth of property and business.

623
00:37:17,196 --> 00:37:18,396
Speaker 3: We'll be right back.

624
00:37:21,556 --> 00:37:25,156
Speaker 9: It was a lawful lot on trust here on my

625
00:37:25,316 --> 00:37:30,676
Speaker 9: part and our part huge amount we did stick our

626
00:37:30,716 --> 00:37:31,316
Speaker 9: Niecks out.

627
00:37:32,996 --> 00:37:35,156
Speaker 4: Greg and Leslie moved into the house at the Dragonfly.

628
00:37:35,316 --> 00:37:37,316
Speaker 4: Over the last few months of two thousand and seven.

629
00:37:37,996 --> 00:37:40,156
Speaker 4: Greg wouldn't have much to do with the cafe. He

630
00:37:40,196 --> 00:37:43,716
Speaker 4: had his own job. Lesley was in charge. But soon

631
00:37:43,796 --> 00:37:45,796
Speaker 4: my brother Simon got roped in on the food side

632
00:37:45,836 --> 00:37:46,396
Speaker 4: of the business.

633
00:37:46,676 --> 00:37:49,036
Speaker 3: So I may have embellished the story, but I remember

634
00:37:49,076 --> 00:37:51,876
Speaker 3: it being just a few days before the cafe opened,

635
00:37:52,036 --> 00:37:55,916
Speaker 3: shared a blue with the chef and so and then

636
00:37:56,076 --> 00:37:59,676
Speaker 3: so I was just like the chef is and he quit,

637
00:37:59,956 --> 00:38:00,996
Speaker 3: a French guy and he quit.

638
00:38:02,876 --> 00:38:05,476
Speaker 4: When the cafe reopened, there was a lot of buzz

639
00:38:05,516 --> 00:38:08,716
Speaker 4: around it. Things were going well. Leslie was making an

640
00:38:08,716 --> 00:38:12,436
Speaker 4: impact on the chilled out Mattkana community. Here was this

641
00:38:12,596 --> 00:38:16,596
Speaker 4: California power business lady shaking things up. The local magazine

642
00:38:16,596 --> 00:38:17,276
Speaker 4: did a wride up.

643
00:38:17,756 --> 00:38:21,236
Speaker 12: Now under its new owner, Leslie Minuchian, who has previously

644
00:38:21,276 --> 00:38:24,436
Speaker 12: owned restaurants in Lake Tahoe and the US and in Hawaii,

645
00:38:24,756 --> 00:38:26,636
Speaker 12: Dragonfly is getting better.

646
00:38:26,436 --> 00:38:30,996
Speaker 4: By the day. Meanwhile, preparations were underway for a massive wedding,

647
00:38:31,716 --> 00:38:35,076
Speaker 4: but it soon became clear that none of Leslie's trust

648
00:38:35,076 --> 00:38:37,516
Speaker 4: fund friends from America were going to make it. She

649
00:38:37,596 --> 00:38:39,836
Speaker 4: said none of them could hack the thirteen hour flight

650
00:38:39,916 --> 00:38:42,596
Speaker 4: to Auckland. So kee we girls that Leslie had known

651
00:38:42,636 --> 00:38:44,836
Speaker 4: for only a matter of months started getting the call

652
00:38:44,916 --> 00:38:47,196
Speaker 4: up to the bridal party, like Carla, who was back

653
00:38:47,236 --> 00:38:47,676
Speaker 4: in London.

654
00:38:47,956 --> 00:38:51,756
Speaker 14: I remember sitting at my desk in Hoxton and at

655
00:38:51,756 --> 00:38:54,476
Speaker 14: my office and I remember thinking, fuck, this is so

656
00:38:54,676 --> 00:38:56,916
Speaker 14: weird and sort of saying to a few of the

657
00:38:56,916 --> 00:39:00,156
Speaker 14: girls in the showroom late, so I've just asked to

658
00:39:00,196 --> 00:39:03,716
Speaker 14: be a bridesmaids to this girl I barely know. In

659
00:39:03,796 --> 00:39:06,036
Speaker 14: New Zealand in January.

660
00:39:05,996 --> 00:39:08,996
Speaker 4: One of the other bridesmaids, Alisha, hadn't known Leslie for

661
00:39:09,196 --> 00:39:09,676
Speaker 4: long either.

662
00:39:10,076 --> 00:39:11,916
Speaker 13: I was asked to be a bride manage, which was

663
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Speaker 13: quite surprising. I think she said something about her cousin

664
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Speaker 13: couldn't come, so I think I was kind of filling in,

665
00:39:21,276 --> 00:39:23,236
Speaker 13: like she didn't really have any family here.

666
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Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean I guess I was happy.

667
00:39:25,676 --> 00:39:27,796
Speaker 13: To do it because we were, you know, we were close.

668
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Speaker 8: At the time.

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Speaker 4: After everything that went down, my mum stopped referring to

670
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Speaker 4: it as the wedding. She renamed it and our family.

671
00:39:35,476 --> 00:39:41,716
Speaker 4: It's now known as the event. The event happened on

672
00:39:41,756 --> 00:39:44,836
Speaker 4: a blue sky summer day, just after Christmas in a

673
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Speaker 4: small colonial era church with painted white arches and stiff

674
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Speaker 4: wooden pews.

675
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Speaker 1: And it just was really surreal.

676
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Speaker 14: It was like I was kind of acting. I was

677
00:39:53,476 --> 00:39:55,716
Speaker 14: acting in a sitcom or something like that was my

678
00:39:55,796 --> 00:39:57,836
Speaker 14: role to arrive and then then I was going.

679
00:39:57,756 --> 00:39:59,356
Speaker 1: To go walk, you know, down island.

680
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Speaker 8: It was. It was so weird.

681
00:40:02,116 --> 00:40:05,996
Speaker 4: The ceremony was pretty standard a priest, those Bible readings

682
00:40:06,036 --> 00:40:10,556
Speaker 4: from every church wedding ever, Love is patient, Lover's kind.

683
00:40:11,516 --> 00:40:13,996
Speaker 4: After that, the party started straight away in a hall

684
00:40:14,036 --> 00:40:17,156
Speaker 4: next door. I was living in London by this point

685
00:40:17,236 --> 00:40:20,076
Speaker 4: and I had flown home especially for the wedding. I

686
00:40:20,116 --> 00:40:23,236
Speaker 4: was happy to be the MC. I remember making a

687
00:40:23,316 --> 00:40:25,836
Speaker 4: joke like Geez, I go away for a couple of

688
00:40:25,836 --> 00:40:28,516
Speaker 4: months and I come back and Greg's got a cafe,

689
00:40:28,756 --> 00:40:33,196
Speaker 4: a house and a waterfall. I can't find any recordings

690
00:40:33,196 --> 00:40:37,156
Speaker 4: of that night. Pretty much everyone we know in New

691
00:40:37,236 --> 00:40:40,556
Speaker 4: Zealand was there. More than one hundred and fifty people came.

692
00:40:40,796 --> 00:40:43,956
Speaker 4: There were even wedding crashes watching from the deck. But

693
00:40:44,116 --> 00:40:47,596
Speaker 4: here's the weird thing. Almost all the guests were from

694
00:40:47,676 --> 00:40:51,076
Speaker 4: Greg's side. The only guests that weren't already friends or

695
00:40:51,116 --> 00:40:54,556
Speaker 4: family of Greggs were Leslie's parents, Betty and Andrew.

696
00:40:55,876 --> 00:41:02,276
Speaker 3: There was two people, yeah, no friends, no family. I

697
00:41:02,276 --> 00:41:04,156
Speaker 3: think the weirdest thing, and I think the weirdest thing

698
00:41:04,236 --> 00:41:07,636
Speaker 3: for everyone just about the event was the parent thing.

699
00:41:07,716 --> 00:41:09,796
Speaker 1: Her parents just how.

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Speaker 3: I think there was a lot of this. They would

701
00:41:13,716 --> 00:41:16,396
Speaker 3: just stand offish, they were just like, I don't know it,

702
00:41:16,676 --> 00:41:19,276
Speaker 3: it was just fucking weird. I don't remember really being

703
00:41:19,276 --> 00:41:21,036
Speaker 3: able to talk to them at all. There was no

704
00:41:21,076 --> 00:41:21,756
Speaker 3: really interaction.

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00:41:22,076 --> 00:41:26,236
Speaker 6: They were very quiet and you couldn't raise a lip

706
00:41:26,276 --> 00:41:27,276
Speaker 6: of a smile.

707
00:41:27,436 --> 00:41:29,356
Speaker 8: You couldn't get a weird out of them.

708
00:41:29,716 --> 00:41:30,876
Speaker 4: They looked.

709
00:41:34,076 --> 00:41:39,316
Speaker 8: Very she looked very pale and colorless.

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00:41:40,676 --> 00:41:44,196
Speaker 4: The best man, Nat made a special effort with Leslie's parents.

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00:41:44,756 --> 00:41:47,516
Speaker 10: They were very, very hard to try and make them

712
00:41:47,556 --> 00:41:48,556
Speaker 10: feel welcome.

713
00:41:48,676 --> 00:41:51,516
Speaker 9: So I just remember at one point just walking away

714
00:41:51,796 --> 00:41:52,796
Speaker 9: thinking out well.

715
00:41:52,996 --> 00:41:55,796
Speaker 13: I remember joking with Mad about the fact that potentially

716
00:41:56,236 --> 00:41:59,596
Speaker 13: you know Leslie's parents, even her real parents, or did

717
00:41:59,596 --> 00:42:01,916
Speaker 13: she just ring in a couple actives.

718
00:42:02,036 --> 00:42:04,356
Speaker 6: They seemed a little bit standing like because they were

719
00:42:04,356 --> 00:42:06,076
Speaker 6: a sort of a bit there but not there.

720
00:42:06,276 --> 00:42:11,076
Speaker 12: We joked that they were hired actors because yeah, why.

721
00:42:10,916 --> 00:42:11,276
Speaker 1: I don't know.

722
00:42:11,316 --> 00:42:15,476
Speaker 12: They just because they definitely didn't fit the profile of

723
00:42:15,516 --> 00:42:17,156
Speaker 12: like who you think her parents would be, and they

724
00:42:17,156 --> 00:42:19,316
Speaker 12: were kind of weird and quiet, and there wasn't like

725
00:42:19,836 --> 00:42:23,156
Speaker 12: a lot of love and like vibing relationship between the

726
00:42:23,196 --> 00:42:26,036
Speaker 12: two like you would expect from a parent and child.

727
00:42:26,476 --> 00:42:27,156
Speaker 1: Like I didn't like.

728
00:42:27,196 --> 00:42:29,236
Speaker 3: I honestly like to this stay. I have no idea

729
00:42:29,236 --> 00:42:32,236
Speaker 3: if that's your pearance, no idea. I wouldn't be surprised

730
00:42:32,236 --> 00:42:34,556
Speaker 3: if that as not. I don't remember seeing any kind

731
00:42:34,556 --> 00:42:35,316
Speaker 3: of love going on.

732
00:42:35,796 --> 00:42:38,036
Speaker 4: I remember Betty and Andrew they brought me a pair

733
00:42:38,076 --> 00:42:40,756
Speaker 4: of Levi jeans as a gift. That was cool, but

734
00:42:40,836 --> 00:42:43,556
Speaker 4: they didn't really talk to me either. I still don't

735
00:42:43,596 --> 00:42:45,876
Speaker 4: know what they knew about what was going on or

736
00:42:45,996 --> 00:42:47,436
Speaker 4: what their role was in all of this.

737
00:42:47,836 --> 00:42:50,436
Speaker 3: I think they kind of knew that there was some

738
00:42:50,436 --> 00:42:52,716
Speaker 3: some fuckery involved, you know what I mean.

739
00:42:56,836 --> 00:42:58,836
Speaker 4: It wasn't long after the wedding that people started to

740
00:42:58,876 --> 00:43:00,156
Speaker 4: notice some of that fuckery.

741
00:43:01,436 --> 00:43:03,196
Speaker 12: I was up in room or sharps and I bumped

742
00:43:03,196 --> 00:43:06,396
Speaker 12: into Leslie and she had just come out of the

743
00:43:06,476 --> 00:43:10,596
Speaker 12: public library and she was showing me this document that

744
00:43:10,676 --> 00:43:13,156
Speaker 12: she had sent over from the US because she was

745
00:43:13,196 --> 00:43:16,476
Speaker 12: trying to get her driver's license in New Zealand, but

746
00:43:16,556 --> 00:43:20,676
Speaker 12: she had to submit like a driving record from the US.

747
00:43:21,236 --> 00:43:22,916
Speaker 12: And we were having a laugh because she had all

748
00:43:22,956 --> 00:43:26,236
Speaker 12: these duy and some like suspended licenses or something like

749
00:43:26,316 --> 00:43:29,076
Speaker 12: a She had like a few things, and she was

750
00:43:29,156 --> 00:43:33,316
Speaker 12: in the public library, no joke, she was twinking out

751
00:43:33,556 --> 00:43:36,436
Speaker 12: these from her record that obviously she had asked for

752
00:43:36,516 --> 00:43:39,396
Speaker 12: and been sent over from the US, twinking these out

753
00:43:39,396 --> 00:43:41,836
Speaker 12: and then rephotocoppying them and then touching them up and

754
00:43:41,836 --> 00:43:43,916
Speaker 12: rephotocopping them until it looked legit.

755
00:43:44,436 --> 00:43:46,436
Speaker 4: By the way, twink is one of those words that

756
00:43:46,476 --> 00:43:49,596
Speaker 4: people laugh at us Kiwi's about it's wide out liquid

757
00:43:49,596 --> 00:43:51,036
Speaker 4: eraser twink.

758
00:43:51,476 --> 00:43:53,236
Speaker 12: And I just remember standing on the road with her,

759
00:43:53,796 --> 00:43:56,836
Speaker 12: like so vividly, just her showing me the document in

760
00:43:56,876 --> 00:43:58,276
Speaker 12: her and not having a laugh about it, and I

761
00:43:58,276 --> 00:44:01,836
Speaker 12: was thinking, wow, like that, I think was the first

762
00:44:01,836 --> 00:44:04,316
Speaker 12: time I was like, she's like, she's got some secrets,

763
00:44:04,356 --> 00:44:06,436
Speaker 12: you know, like you're hiding some stuff.

764
00:44:07,276 --> 00:44:09,996
Speaker 4: End Up at the Dragonfly CAFA, things were starting to

765
00:44:09,996 --> 00:44:10,436
Speaker 4: go wrong.

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00:44:11,916 --> 00:44:14,996
Speaker 13: We ran out of water, so we didn't have access

767
00:44:15,396 --> 00:44:18,276
Speaker 13: in the kitchen to water, and so Greg and likewise

768
00:44:18,276 --> 00:44:20,796
Speaker 13: were kind of running back and forward to the house

769
00:44:20,916 --> 00:44:23,476
Speaker 13: trying to get like bottles of water, trying to get

770
00:44:23,756 --> 00:44:26,596
Speaker 13: stuff to wash dishes. And there were just so many

771
00:44:26,676 --> 00:44:29,996
Speaker 13: days like that where something was going wrong and there

772
00:44:30,076 --> 00:44:34,436
Speaker 13: was just no fixing it. I don't think Leslie was

773
00:44:34,476 --> 00:44:36,996
Speaker 13: around for much of that. I remember coming in really

774
00:44:37,036 --> 00:44:40,676
Speaker 13: strong at the beginning and then kind of not being

775
00:44:40,756 --> 00:44:44,396
Speaker 13: around and all that stuff were like, what's happening.

776
00:44:45,916 --> 00:44:49,676
Speaker 7: There was one moment where it was a bit of

777
00:44:49,676 --> 00:44:53,956
Speaker 7: a watershed moment for me, and that's when the milk

778
00:44:54,236 --> 00:44:58,316
Speaker 7: supplier for the cafe arrived. And then I said, today,

779
00:44:58,436 --> 00:45:03,196
Speaker 7: how are you? And he basically said that he had

780
00:45:03,276 --> 00:45:06,676
Speaker 7: never been paid for milk. It wasn't his first attempt

781
00:45:06,716 --> 00:45:09,396
Speaker 7: at getting money. I could tell that it was a

782
00:45:09,396 --> 00:45:13,036
Speaker 7: bit worked up about it, and you know, I thought,

783
00:45:13,116 --> 00:45:17,676
Speaker 7: this is this is, this is not right. And I

784
00:45:17,756 --> 00:45:21,876
Speaker 7: recall talking to Leslie about it and she sort of

785
00:45:22,556 --> 00:45:23,916
Speaker 7: and she did with lots of things.

786
00:45:24,236 --> 00:45:26,996
Speaker 1: I'll take care of it. Don't get involved, leave it

787
00:45:27,036 --> 00:45:27,236
Speaker 1: to me.

788
00:45:28,276 --> 00:45:31,276
Speaker 4: The Dragonfly was becoming a total cluster. A bunch of

789
00:45:31,276 --> 00:45:32,956
Speaker 4: people were saying they weren't getting paid.

790
00:45:33,036 --> 00:45:38,476
Speaker 7: I became very frustrated that I couldn't access in information.

791
00:45:38,556 --> 00:45:40,716
Speaker 7: I couldn't I couldn't ever get to the bottom of anything.

792
00:45:41,876 --> 00:45:49,436
Speaker 7: Leslie almost got angry at me for attempting to, you know,

793
00:45:49,556 --> 00:45:53,036
Speaker 7: try and help and get more involved. The more it happened,

794
00:45:53,796 --> 00:45:55,956
Speaker 7: the more angry she got at me, the more frustrated

795
00:45:55,996 --> 00:45:58,836
Speaker 7: I got, And that became a real strain.

796
00:45:59,316 --> 00:46:02,876
Speaker 9: I started to feel very uneasy, and we needed to

797
00:46:02,916 --> 00:46:06,956
Speaker 9: find out what was going on. We weren't able to

798
00:46:06,996 --> 00:46:08,756
Speaker 9: find out a heck of a lot from the bank.

799
00:46:09,516 --> 00:46:16,636
Speaker 9: We weren't actually owners of the business. We weren't signatories

800
00:46:16,716 --> 00:46:22,196
Speaker 9: to anything. Even Greg wasn't able to find out a

801
00:46:22,236 --> 00:46:22,916
Speaker 9: lot of stuff.

802
00:46:23,156 --> 00:46:26,956
Speaker 4: But you were the guaranteurs, and you know, you guys

803
00:46:26,956 --> 00:46:30,476
Speaker 4: would put money on the line, but you would signed

804
00:46:30,516 --> 00:46:32,316
Speaker 4: up to be the guarantees, but not signed up to

805
00:46:32,316 --> 00:46:33,316
Speaker 4: be able to see anything.

806
00:46:33,396 --> 00:46:33,916
Speaker 1: Isn't that weird?

807
00:46:35,236 --> 00:46:37,236
Speaker 9: You could say it like that. But I did follow

808
00:46:37,316 --> 00:46:41,316
Speaker 9: my lawyer's advice that she knows what she's doing. She's

809
00:46:41,356 --> 00:46:42,276
Speaker 9: a human dynamo.

810
00:46:46,476 --> 00:46:48,636
Speaker 4: Leslie would spend most of the day locked in the house,

811
00:46:48,636 --> 00:46:51,316
Speaker 4: which had become a sanctuary from the outside world and

812
00:46:51,436 --> 00:46:54,476
Speaker 4: the questions people were starting to ask. A date was

813
00:46:54,516 --> 00:46:56,516
Speaker 4: set for a meeting where an accountant was going to

814
00:46:56,516 --> 00:46:59,836
Speaker 4: start combing through the books, but Leslie didn't show up.

815
00:47:01,596 --> 00:47:03,956
Speaker 4: Greg knew he needed to do something, so he came

816
00:47:04,036 --> 00:47:04,596
Speaker 4: up with a plan.

817
00:47:05,316 --> 00:47:10,036
Speaker 7: If she was here, she would block her learning about

818
00:47:10,196 --> 00:47:13,236
Speaker 7: what the reality was. I told her to go and

819
00:47:13,276 --> 00:47:15,876
Speaker 7: see appearance and go over holiday, get out of the country.

820
00:47:16,196 --> 00:47:18,196
Speaker 4: And you actually thought that would be an opportunity to

821
00:47:18,556 --> 00:47:19,036
Speaker 4: look around.

822
00:47:19,116 --> 00:47:26,196
Speaker 1: Probably it was the only way, yep. And what was you.

823
00:47:26,156 --> 00:47:27,636
Speaker 4: Know, if you don't mind me asking, what was the

824
00:47:27,716 --> 00:47:29,196
Speaker 4: kind of relationship like at that.

825
00:47:29,196 --> 00:47:35,996
Speaker 7: Point, Frosty, I'm just completely untrusting on both sides.

826
00:47:42,156 --> 00:47:44,956
Speaker 4: At pretty short notice, Leslie booked a flight to America

827
00:47:45,356 --> 00:47:47,956
Speaker 4: to visit her family, so my mum and dad would

828
00:47:47,996 --> 00:47:51,756
Speaker 4: have to step up and look after the cafe. As

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00:47:51,796 --> 00:47:55,076
Speaker 4: Greg drove her to Auckland Airport, things were tense. There

830
00:47:55,156 --> 00:47:58,036
Speaker 4: was a lot unsaid, but Greg wanted to work this

831
00:47:58,076 --> 00:48:00,236
Speaker 4: whole mess out and get back to life with Leslie

832
00:48:00,276 --> 00:48:01,516
Speaker 4: when she got back from the States.

833
00:48:03,316 --> 00:48:10,236
Speaker 7: So we're parked, checked and formalities are done. It's me

834
00:48:10,276 --> 00:48:14,436
Speaker 7: and Leslie now walking upstairs to the actual departure gate,

835
00:48:17,396 --> 00:48:23,596
Speaker 7: where there's not a lot of love going on. There

836
00:48:23,716 --> 00:48:31,476
Speaker 7: was probably a nervous but cold hug. I hope to

837
00:48:31,516 --> 00:48:35,996
Speaker 7: see you again. Let's try and work this out. And she,

838
00:48:37,996 --> 00:48:42,236
Speaker 7: right at the last moment, put it right out there

839
00:48:43,796 --> 00:48:48,116
Speaker 7: that Greg, the Snowball is about to hit you.

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00:48:55,836 --> 00:48:59,476
Speaker 4: Next episode the Snowball heads.

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Speaker 1: We cried. We just were destroyed.

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00:49:04,036 --> 00:49:08,116
Speaker 9: That was a fundamental wow moment for me. When you

843
00:49:08,196 --> 00:49:11,236
Speaker 9: present that to a bank and they accept it.

844
00:49:11,476 --> 00:49:13,196
Speaker 4: Adrenaline is my best friend.

845
00:49:13,396 --> 00:49:19,236
Speaker 3: That's quite calculated. That's fucking out there. Somebody has been

846
00:49:19,236 --> 00:49:22,676
Speaker 3: wronged using my name and rightfully believes that the person

847
00:49:22,716 --> 00:49:23,596
Speaker 3: who wronged them is me.

848
00:49:23,916 --> 00:49:27,636
Speaker 6: I found it, he said, George janitors should have found it.

849
00:49:27,956 --> 00:49:29,676
Speaker 4: How often would you go in there and look?

850
00:49:29,996 --> 00:49:31,036
Speaker 9: At least once a week?

851
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Speaker 1: It's so weird. That is weird. It is weird.

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