1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Fucome back an now number two Clay 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: with us, try to make some sense insanity in an 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: insane world. Good news. You guys may get tired of 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: hearing me talk about it for the next two months, 7 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: but you have so many people out there in the 8 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: pungitry that just kind of throw their finger up in 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: the air and say, oh, I feel like this is 10 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: gonna happen, or I feel like that's gonna happen. I 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: love checking the gambling markets on all of these races, 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: and in particular, we've had Carrie Lake on this show. 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: What do you think two three times at least Buck 14 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: over the last year, probably, and every time she comes on. 15 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: When we finished the segment, I turned to Buck, or 16 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: Buck turns to me. She's a stud like legitimately an 17 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: incredible communicator who we've been telling you and a lot 18 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: of you listening out in Arizona already know this. She's 19 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: going to be elected governor. She is just way better 20 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: of a candidate than her opponent. And I actually think 21 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: that there's a decent chance that she is the vice 22 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: presidential candidate in twenty twenty four. Now. I know she 23 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: doesn't want to answer questions about this right now. It 24 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: is a credit because I saw her just the lobotomize 25 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: a reporter who asked that question. But it's a credit 26 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: to her that the conversation in Arizona has already started 27 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: to turn from is she going to win? And to man, 28 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: how much higher could she climb? She may not want 29 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: to be vice president, She may really legitimately want to 30 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: be governor of Arizona for two terms, as she said, 31 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: but I think she's going to do that. Early on Buck, 32 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: everybody out there was like, Oh, Carrie Lake's too controversials, 33 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: she's too much of a pro Trump person. There's no 34 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: way she's gonna win. This morning, as part of my prep, 35 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: I went and I checked the latest markets and carry Lake, 36 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: for the first time in her entire political campaign, is 37 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: now favored to be the next governor of Arizona based 38 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: on where people are putting their money in the gambling markets. 39 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: And I think she's gonna win comfortably. And Buck, she 40 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: may be able to win to such an extent. Blake 41 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: Masters in a fight with you know the astronaut Mark 42 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: Kelly who never has anything interesting to say, but she 43 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: may win by enough that he's an astronaut Georgia. That's 44 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: the only thing. It's hold on a second, what do 45 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: you think breaking news? Yeah, it's like Mark Kelly every 46 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,679 Speaker 1: time he thinks what do you think about the border? Well, 47 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: when I was an astronaut and I looked down at Earth, 48 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: when I was in the spaceship, I was an astronaut, like, 49 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: it's all he's got to say, who is it? Who 50 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: is it? There was the governor of Ohio who ran 51 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: for I'm forgetting his name case sick the worst, and 52 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: he would do this thing. We was just like, oh, 53 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: you know, my dad was a mailman. It's like, we know, 54 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: we've heard the mailman thing a million times. We know 55 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: Mark Kelly, you're an astronaut. Congratulate. I just love it 56 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: feels like every time Mark Kelly can answer any question, 57 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: he can start it off by you know when I 58 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: when I was training to be an astronaut, Well, and 59 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: you're like, hey, Mark Kelly, what do you think about 60 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: crime and Phoenix? Well, you know when I was in 61 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: Houston training to be an astronaut, Like every kind of 62 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: like the propulsion system on the Nassa to space glider. 63 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: You know that's what No, I don't know that is. 64 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: That is Mark Kelly's answered everything. Carrie Lake is going 65 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: to win. And obviously everybody listening to us out in 66 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: Arizona has to go vote. When I say that, I 67 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: don't want people to be like, well, I don't need 68 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: to go vote. So understand when I'm telling you what 69 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: I believe is going to happen. It's predicated on people 70 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: actually going out and voting. All right, so presume that 71 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: you still need to do your job in Arizona. But 72 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: she's the far better candidate. She's been calling out her opponent, 73 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: and I think she's gonna trounce that opponent, and I 74 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: think she's gonna win to such an extent buck that 75 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: Blake Masters is going to be able in the same 76 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: way that we're seeing Brian Kemp run a fabulous campaign 77 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: against Stacy Abrams in Georgia and herschel Walker can kind 78 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: of get alongside of him and run a wingman campaign 79 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: because that governor's campaign is going so well. I'm seeing 80 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: a symbiotic effect there going on also in Arizona, where 81 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: I think Blake Masters is going to be lifted by 82 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: being able to run as the wingman for Carry Lake, 83 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: who is a phenomenal candidate. And one reason buck why 84 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: I think in Arizona in particular that Carry Lake is 85 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: having a lot of success is Democrats are trying to 86 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: pretend that the border is not a disaster. They are. 87 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: They're not even just trying to pretend. They're flat out 88 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: lying to us about what is going on at the border. 89 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: Hold on a second clay, because Kari Jean Pierre yesterday 90 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: made it very clear that they're doing like a lot 91 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: of stuff to make the border super secure. Do it? 92 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: Do we have that? From yesterday? We have Carrie Lake. 93 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: I know she said it may need to grab We 94 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: may need to grab that. Jean Pierre said it. I'm saying, Kari, 95 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: Jean Pierre, do we have her? We need to grab 96 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,679 Speaker 1: that Audi if you don't have it. The reality here 97 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: is the borders the worst it's ever been, and the 98 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: numbers actually the same way with immigration, the same way 99 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: with immigration or with the rather inflation. Immigration is a 100 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: function of the numbers. Right now you look at five 101 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: million plus in two years. We have it. Here we go. 102 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: Here is green Jean Pierre yesterday, We're certainly doing a 103 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: lot more to secure the border. No, they are not. 104 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: I mean this is they can say this. I know 105 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: that was a quick sound bite. They are not doing 106 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: a lot more to secure the border. I speak to 107 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: people in border patrol. We've spoken to the former acting 108 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: ICE director who knows the whole system, Clay. Their version 109 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: of securing the border, and I really mean this is 110 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: to surge more assets, more resources to the border to 111 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:13,799 Speaker 1: process comfortably and quickly. The illegal immigrants who are coming 112 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: into the country. They are lying about asylum claims, they 113 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: are not showing up for their hearings. They are getting 114 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: into a country that has been it has been made 115 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: very clear by the Biden regime there is no interest 116 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: in doing interior enforcement. So this is why, this is 117 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: why people show up at the border and say I'm 118 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: here because of Joe Biden. I'm here because I realize 119 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: I can stay forever. Remember, and we'll play a little 120 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: bit longer cut of Karyne Jean pierre disastrous response about 121 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: the border yesterday. But I thought and continue to believe 122 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: that one of the worst answers that Karyne Jean Pierre 123 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: has ever given was when Peter Doocey called her out 124 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: buck and said, people are just walking across the border, 125 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: and she laughed, a people aren't walking across the border 126 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: like like a schoolgirl with no comprehension. And Ducey was like, no, no, no, 127 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: you could watch it on television. They are literally walking 128 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: across the border. That's how they get here. I mean, 129 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: all you have to do is watch Fox News for 130 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: twenty minutes any week and there's easy footage of hey, 131 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: here's a huge caravan walking right across the border to 132 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: turn itself in or potentially not even get stopped. I've 133 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: seen it. I mean I've witnessed this my own two eyes. 134 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: And this continues. And the way that it works, it's 135 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: not complicated. People show up at the border now and 136 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: they say if they've been coached by the cartels, which 137 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: in many cases they have, sometimes find everyone now coming 138 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: across the border is only allowed to come across the 139 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: border because the cartels have completely taken over in Mexico. 140 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: Anybody able to get broken down these areas into cartel control. 141 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: They call them platzas, and it's for not just the 142 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: human smoking eye obously, but the drug smuggling too. Although 143 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: the human smuggling is incredibly profitable for the cartels billions 144 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: and billions of dollars. They wear bracelets. I've seen the bracelets. 145 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: I've seen them on migrants and then you see huge 146 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: piles of them on the ground to show that they've 147 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: paid the cartel price and therefore they can come across 148 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: the border. Because people say, well, why don't they just 149 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: go on their own? Because the cartel finds you you 150 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: haven't paid the price, God knows what they're going to 151 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: do to you. The cartels are are vicious, heinous, criminal 152 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: syndicates that will engage in the worst kinds of brutality. 153 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: We all know that. So people pay this price, they 154 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: show up at the border, they wave down border patrol 155 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: and they say I'm here, I've got a credible fear. 156 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: Or if they're a family unit, there's all these different 157 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: categories they go into, but ultimately clay, because there's so 158 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: many of them, they just over The system is overwhelmed, 159 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: so now they just release them. You have a notice 160 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: to appear, or you give us your word you'll appear. Whatever. 161 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: It's just a flood. They cannot process the people coming 162 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: into the country. There are half a million plus gataways. 163 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: The numbers are staggering, and the Biden administration just says, oh, yeah, no, 164 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: we've got this. It's such a lie, and people need 165 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: to understand. In New York City, you know what they're 166 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: doing now. They're busting migrants down to Florida. That's their 167 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: newest that's their newest plan. That's what they're doing here 168 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: in my hometown. And it goes to show you there 169 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: are clearly going to have to be a lot of resources. 170 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: There's a lot of drain on public services, on taxpayer 171 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: dollars by bringing people into the country. We have no 172 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: idea who they are, We have no idea you know, 173 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: what their skill set is, or how they'll contribute right 174 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: away and all the rest of it. They are overwhelmingly 175 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: non English speakers. I mean, some of them speak some English, 176 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: but a lot of them speak basically knowing there's they're 177 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: functionally incapable of communicating in English. And this is good 178 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: for the country. Why and if it's good for the country, 179 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: which a lot of Libs would say, of course, there 180 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: is a lot of leftist clay, why doesn't the Democrat 181 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: Congress start passing is just saying we don't need to 182 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: have any border whatsoever, because we basically don't right now. Well, 183 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: and Biden and Kamala and neither one have still been 184 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: to the border buck. I mean, I know it's Biden 185 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: has been to his beach house in Delaware for half 186 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: his presidency. It feels like he can take vacations all 187 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: over the place. But it's a willful blindness that they 188 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: will not acknowledge what is actually going on there. And 189 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: it is such an abject failure that I think it's 190 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: registering in a big way with Arizona. I think that's 191 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 1: one reason Carrie Lake has hammered this that she is 192 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: going to win in Arizona. And I think, you know, 193 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: astronaut Mark Kelly's going to get dunked on by Blake 194 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: Masters because I think that he's unable to answer this 195 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: question too. And I think the Democrats recognize that this 196 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: is a vulnerability certainly in those races. It should play 197 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: a massive and should play a massive role for independence 198 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: and persuadables like you know, the looney left I can't 199 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: speak to because they're looney or I can't speak to, 200 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: but we're not going to change their But what you 201 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: see here is at a time when we're being told, 202 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: you know what, California is getting rid of gas powered cars, 203 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna be the law. We had businesses shut down, 204 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: you had to mask up on planes because it's the law, 205 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: which it actually really wasn't. It was a federal dictate. 206 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: But the point is all these different things, they're gonna 207 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: raise taxes on everybody, squeeze, you know, hundreds of billions 208 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: more with the Inflation Reduction Act pass. Now, why don't 209 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: the laws about immigration count that? They point to the 210 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: law with everything else they want us to applaud throwing 211 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: a former president in prison, perhaps over document handling because 212 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: it's the law, But five million illegals in the country, 213 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: that's not the law. I mean, I just want to 214 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: know what's the difference there. Explain that one to me 215 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: someone out there in lib Land. Let's also play right 216 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: here as we get ready to go to break Joe Manchon, 217 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: who is terrified that he's gonna get whipped in twenty 218 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: four in West Virginia and also totally blew it on 219 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: the inflation we got it. How can we help? How 220 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: can we help make sure he loses because we want 221 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: to do I think we can. I think we can well, 222 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: first of all, we're going to campaign for whoever is 223 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: on the ballot to beat him in West Virginia in 224 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: twenty four because he blew it and he's thrown the 225 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,599 Speaker 1: country into a disastrous situation by allowing Joe Biden to 226 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: spend eight hundred billion dollars more. But he's desperate now. 227 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: He actually ripped Kamala Harris because he's trying to get 228 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: back in good graces. Did you hear this? Head Yeah, 229 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: let's talk about what we can back it's a head 230 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: face by when we come back, because it's a clear attempt. 231 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: He knows that he blew it on inflation because he 232 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: showed up at that Inflation Reduction Act party and he 233 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: should have been ashamed to show up there because the 234 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: reason that bill passed was because of him, and he 235 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: made inflation worse. And we'll show you what he's trying 236 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: to do the backtracking when we come back in a moment. 237 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: In the meantime, inflation this is not a surprise, destroying 238 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: our spending power and the value of our savings accounts. 239 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: Money's become less valuable, and the inflation we're dealing with 240 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: is forcing all of us to change how we handle 241 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: our finances. So what can you do to protect yourself 242 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: and try to get ahead in an awful environment created 243 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: by Joe Biden. 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They say, it's inflation reduction, it's actually 262 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: inflation inflation. They also just defy reality and stare you 263 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: right in the face and lie to you on the border. 264 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: This was Corene Jean Pierre. We're thinking about this clip before. 265 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: Here she is telling everybody, Oh, not only are they 266 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: doing a lot on the border, they are doing a 267 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: lot more than Donald Trump was doing on the border. 268 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: Trump administration, which largely just tried to build a wall, 269 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: an ineffective wall along the border and couldn't even finish 270 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: that in four years, were certainly doing a lot more 271 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: to secure the border, and could be doing even more 272 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: if Republicans would stop their obstruction. Okay, I mean there's 273 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: a there's a head is exploding. They stopped from building 274 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: the wall. They basically threw themselves in front of the 275 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: you know, the earth movers in the equipment. Basic. I mean, 276 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: they would have done anything, filed every loss you lost 277 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: it on a planet from being built. The wall where 278 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: it was increased, improved, turned into a double fence, is 279 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: highly effective. Everything she says here is just not true. Everything. 280 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: It was a bad day for the White House celebrating 281 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: eight point three percent inflation and the worst day for 282 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: the stock market since Joe Biden got into office. And 283 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: then KJP shows up and says something that even Democrats 284 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: are like, what is she talking about? You can criticize 285 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: Donald Trump for a lot, the idea that he was 286 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: getting the border, not he was not being aggressive enough 287 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: in protecting the border is maybe the one area that 288 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: you have an awful argument it, even if you're an independent, 289 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: Republican or Democrat. And let's just mention this on the 290 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: border for a minute. But how is it that the 291 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: Mexican cartel is better at controlling the Mexico border than 292 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: our United States government is at controlling the United States 293 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: govern It's actually an impot It's an important answer because 294 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: it goes right to the heart of this incentives. The 295 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: cartel is highly, highly incentivized to have a lockdown on 296 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: the human trafficking and the drug smuggling, all the illegal 297 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: they're making billions and billions. What are the incentives on 298 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: our side? For Democrats, the incentive is get as many 299 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: illegals into the country as quickly as you can to 300 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: change the long term political reality of this country. They 301 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: have argued this publicly, and the Biden White House makes 302 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: it more likely than ever that you'll be able to 303 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: stay if you come, so the incentives are show up now. 304 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: I think you're right on that, and for all the 305 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: Republican candidates out there listening in their staff, the border 306 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: is a major issue. I think that the under sold 307 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 1: part of the border issue is the cartel control of 308 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: Mexico that is leading to them being coyotes, effectively making 309 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: as you said, billions of dollars to bring people across, 310 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: but also the fact that they're preserving their control of 311 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: the border so they can get as much fentinol in 312 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: as possible, which is killing over one hundred thousand Americans 313 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: every single year. If that doesn't crystallize for everyone, the 314 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: enormity of the challenges and the failures of the Biden administration, 315 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: there will play you some Joe Mansion when we come back. 316 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: We're even Mansion, who's trying to claw himself back into 317 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: contention in twenty four I've got a prediction on what 318 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: he's going to do for you too when we come 319 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: back and go as fast as he wants in that Maserati. 320 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: He's not gonna outrun his vote for the inflation bill. 321 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: We'll get into that in a second. 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I read Woke Ink 348 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: and really enjoyed it. So Vavek, how do we cure 349 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: our national victimization culture? What has to happen? Yeah, great question. 350 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: And in anyways, this book is the sequel to Woke Inc. 351 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: Because you know, Woke Ink was about how corporate America's 352 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: exploiting these victimhood and identity narratives and using it to 353 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: make an extra buck. But it does take two to tango, 354 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, a base of consumers, 355 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: an entire generation of American are vulnerable to exploitation because 356 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: they buy into those same narratives themselves. And so what 357 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: I do in the book is I trace what's at 358 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: the heart of our victimhood cancer today. But your question 359 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: is what do we do about it? Which is the 360 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: right question. The case I make is we need to 361 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: refill our national identity with the shared pursuit of excellence. 362 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: It is why my parents came to this country. It 363 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: is why many immigrants come to this country through the 364 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: front door. It used to be what it meant to 365 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: be American, to be able to pursue excellence, to be 366 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: able to do it unapologetically. And that's the national culture 367 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: we're going to have to revive in our institutions, from 368 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: schools to corporate America, to our economy to our politics. 369 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: You know, it takes a book to explain how to 370 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: do that, but that's what this is about, Vivac. Are 371 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: you seeing it's buck and thanks for joining us. Are 372 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: you seeing any indications that backlash against wokeness may play 373 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: a meaningful role in the upcoming elections, because I mean, 374 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: I still remember back to last year's election cycle where 375 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: that the indoctrination of children in schools in particular was 376 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: a major issue in the Virginia gubernatorial race that led 377 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: to Glenn Junkins at the time seemingly shocking win, but 378 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: in retrospect makes a lot of sense. Is this going 379 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: to play a major role or do you think that's 380 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: something that we need to focus more on. Well, so, 381 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: I think it's playing a major role already in shaping 382 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: our culture, including the backlash. As you put it's changing 383 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 1: our culture for the better. I'm seeing some of the 384 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: positive effects in corporate America. Frankly, I'm working on some 385 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: of those. When it comes to the election, though, I 386 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of confounding variables this year. You know, 387 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: I think that the dialogue turning back to Trump, the 388 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: abortion related debate, I think there are a lot of 389 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: confounding factors that could affect the electoral outcome this fall. 390 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: I personally think though those are still distraction from the 391 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: longer term issues in our culture. That wokeness goes to 392 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: the heart of the marriage between wokeness and capitalism, and 393 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: then the victimhood culture that that then further perpetuates. I'm 394 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: biased to say it matters because these are the topics 395 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: I'm writing about and most focused on writing about them, 396 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: and most focused on them because I think they are 397 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,479 Speaker 1: the most important topics for our culture that our politics 398 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: should also care about. And I think conservatives will be 399 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: more successful if they're able to lead the way in 400 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: this conversation. So on the election, you know that there's 401 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: a lot of variables that may have gotten in the 402 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: way in recent months that may or may not make 403 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: that a focal point for electoral backlash. But in corporate America, 404 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you take a company like Netflix, which has 405 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: done complete one eighty in the last year. You know, 406 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: they took disastrous earnings in the first or second quarter 407 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: of this year for them to be able to wake 408 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: up and say, you know what, We're going to add 409 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: excellence to our cultural document. We're going to tell our 410 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: employees that now, if you don't want to work on 411 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: a project that you find offensive, then you can show 412 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: yourself the door. This is a company the heart of 413 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: Hollywood that did a complete one eighty, and I've been 414 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: very critical of that company in the past, but to 415 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: see a company like Netflix turn it around leaves me 416 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: optimistic for our culture and in our economy and in 417 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: the private sector, including through changes that we can drive 418 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: through shareholder power, which I'm working on as well. But 419 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: that's where I'm frankly more optimistic than in our politics. 420 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: But that one area that certainly has to be addressed 421 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: is we fetishize victimhood, by which I mean y're around 422 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: my age. I think Bucks around my age. Although he 423 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: likes to pretend that he's forty years younger. He's millennial. 424 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: I'm generation X, the last year of it. But when 425 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: I was a kid growing up, nobody ever wanted to 426 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: be a victim. The idea of being a victim was 427 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: something that you were taught not to aspire to. I 428 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: look at this story. I don't know how much attention 429 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: you paid to it or saw, but the Duke volleyball 430 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: player who is on the court, obviously very talented volleyball player, 431 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: if she's on scholarship at Duke, she it appears just 432 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: made up the fact that someone was yelling racial slurs 433 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: at her, because there's zero evidence that it actually happened. 434 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: Why would she do that Because we've created an incentive 435 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 1: structure through social media where everybody says, oh, that's I'm 436 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: so sorry for you, I feel so bad for you 437 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: that someone would say something mean to you, and actually 438 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: her overall profile grows by being a victim. How much 439 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: has social media changed the dynamic of someone wants to 440 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: be a victim. If being a victim is a good 441 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: thing to happen to you, we're getting it wrong as 442 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: a society. I don't want anybody to be a victim 443 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: of anything, absolutely so, so social media definitely amplifies it. 444 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: And believe that you're going to find you know few 445 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: bigger critics of modern social media and it's effects on 446 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: society than me. But this is one that I wouldn't 447 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: place the causal blame at the foot of social media. 448 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: I put at the foot of incumbency. I mean, we 449 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: as a generation have not encountered major hardship, either individually 450 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: or as a people. And the basic arc of the 451 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: book is I basically tell the tale of how incumbency 452 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: breeds victimhood. Victimhood then breeds national decline. National decline then 453 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: gives us an opportunity to either rediscover the fact that 454 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: we're underdogs, not victims, or to remain victims and end 455 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: up in permanent national decline. So it's kind of the 456 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: journey from Michael Jordan to Simone Biles. One would have 457 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: been Time Magazine of the Athlete of the Year thirty 458 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: years ago, the other one's Time Magazine Athlete of the 459 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: Year today, winning unapologetically, unabashedly and overcoming hardship, being cut 460 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: from the high school team, stories that he still told 461 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: himself to motivate himself. That was the Michael Jordan model 462 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: of the athlete. In the nineteen nineties, you got the 463 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: Simone Biles model of the athlete. I'm not critical of 464 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: her personally, but I'm talking about a culture that venerates 465 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: vulnerability in deceit over winning unapologetically, whether that's in sports, 466 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 1: in business, in the arts, or in our culture. That's 467 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: really the moment that we live in. He talked about 468 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: the word incentive structures. Absolutely, we've created an incentive structure 469 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: that rewards victimhood. Victimod is like a currency. It's trading 470 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: at an all time high. Like all bubbles, this cultural 471 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: bubble will burst, but people are doing the rational thing. 472 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 1: They're cashing in when there's a bubble in a currency. 473 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: What do you do. You're cash in when it's trading 474 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: at a high before it bursts. That's what people are doing. 475 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: And I go through the tale of Justis Smollette, who 476 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: very similar similarly to the woman in the Duke Byu incident, 477 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: you know, really just made it up to such an 478 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: extreme degree that it constituted a form of criminal fraud, 479 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: hate crime, hoax, and the same the response that I 480 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: know you're you know, in the general population, you're supposed 481 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: to give is that that's such a conservative talking point. 482 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: That's just one example. But one of the things I 483 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: trace in this book is actually the countless examples of 484 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: hate crime, fakes of hate crime, hoaxes, of victimhood narrative, 485 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: hoaxes of people who claimed to be racist that they 486 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 1: weren't actually in order to get ten years or in 487 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: order to even get into a college. There were so 488 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 1: many examples. My publisher made me actually distill it to 489 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: a fraction of the total examples that were in the 490 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: original text. But but what does that say? The point 491 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: isn't the you know, the point of this isn't a 492 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: point the finger to any one individual Smilette or you know, 493 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: the girl and the BYU incident in more recent weeks. 494 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: But instead take a step back and say that this 495 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: is not a set of one off incidents anymore. This 496 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: is an epidemic. It is a pattern. And what is 497 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: it about our national psyche that accounts for this just 498 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: being a symptom of a deeper victimhood culture? And I 499 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: argue in the book it's a product of incumbency. Look, 500 00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: I am a millennial, You're you're at the end of 501 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: Gen X. You know, bucks and millennial millennials and gen z. 502 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: We're on the receiving end of the largest intergenerational wealth 503 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: transfer in human history. That creates a psychological need for 504 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: victimhood to justify that which you were on the receiving 505 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: end of getting. And there's a lot of factors that 506 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: contribute to this, and so I trace a lot of that. 507 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: Some of this is, you know, we see this pattern 508 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: throughout history. There were points in post Civil war history, 509 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 1: reconstruction history, in American history where we actually saw these 510 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: victimhood narratives crop up, the nation found its fortitude and 511 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: revived from them. Even saw through a lot of Roman history, 512 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: and I trace a lot of Roman history in this 513 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: book too. And the encouraging part about the tour through 514 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: history is I'll say this is, yeah, we tell ourselves 515 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: that there was a great rise and fall of Rome. 516 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: One of the things I discovered that I would say 517 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: rediscovered through the research of this book is that there 518 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: was no one rise or fall of Rome. And the 519 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: good news is, I think there doesn't need to be 520 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: one rise and one fall of the American experiment as well. 521 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: I think the popta of thing to say today is 522 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: the decline of the American experiment is like the fall 523 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: of Rome. I'm not so convinced, and I think that 524 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: there have been many rises in many declines of the 525 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: American experiment as well. We might be at a natter, 526 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: but what we're going to need to turn this one 527 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: around is to revive a national identity not around victim puts, 528 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: but around the shared, unapologetic pursuit of excellence. That's the 529 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: case I make in the book Nation of Victims. Should 530 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: all go out and get a copy. Vivek Ramaswami, our 531 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: friend is the author Veck, always illuminating. Thanks for being 532 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: with us, Thanks for having me. 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One of our important functions here 558 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: on the Clay and Buck Show is to remind you 559 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: all of the truth and what people did, what it mattered, 560 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: and to make sure there are sequences for decisions made 561 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: by those who are entrusted by the public, with power 562 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: in the House, the Senate, governors, you name it. And 563 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: that's why we told you we'd be speaking about Joe Mansion, 564 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: who decided to speak out in response to Kamala Harris 565 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: saying the border is secure, Which is I mean among 566 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: the I don't know if there is a bigger lie 567 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: that the Democrats, a more blatant, obvious lie that they've 568 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: told in recent memory. I mean, because it's the worst 569 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: border it's ever been. This would be like if the 570 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: stock market had crashed ninety percent and they said the 571 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: market's doing great. I mean, it's as bad as it 572 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: could possibly be. Joe Mansion decided, oh well, I'm gonna 573 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: break with Democrats on this one. Play nineteen christ President 574 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: Harris said this weekend the southern border is quote secure. 575 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: It's wrong. She's dead wrong on that, and I have 576 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: said this, if we don't secure it, I voted every 577 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: time for the wall, but we need to walk a 578 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: lot more technology, more agents. The twenty thirteen immigration bill 579 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: was still the best piece of legislation I think that 580 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: we've ever had before us. We couldn't get it pass 581 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: through the Republican House at that time because of some 582 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: politics involved there. The ambassy people were, you know, shouting 583 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: the world ambassy. That piece of legislation would have corrected 584 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: everything we have going wrong. But for anybody, the vice president, president, 585 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: anybody to say our boarders are secured, that is not accurate. 586 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: I've been there. It's wrong. Okay. First of all, the 587 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: it was amnesty in twenty thirteen, which is why the 588 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: whole thing fell apart. So he's wrong on that one. 589 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: But Clay, I think Mansion realizes he needs to he 590 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: needs to start stepping over toward the Republicans on a 591 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: whole bunch of things, because why the heck is this 592 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: guy the senator from West Virginia, West Virginia. This is 593 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: your wake up call. Get somebody else next time. Here's 594 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: my prediction. Joe Mansion failed utterly in backing down when 595 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: it came to standing up to more money that Joe 596 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: Biden wanted to spend. He was correct about inflation being 597 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: out of control. He was right, thankfully, to oppose the 598 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: two trillion or three trillion or whatever additional that Joe 599 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: Biden wanted to spend. But he was wrong, and I 600 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: think he knows it to have eventually supported the eight 601 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: hundred billion dollar package that they just pushed through. He 602 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: should have been ashamed to show up at the White 603 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: House and support it. I think Joe Mansion hopes that 604 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: Republicans win back the Senate. I really think he does. 605 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: And then I think there's a decent possibility that if 606 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: Joe Mansion wants to continue his political career, he may 607 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: flip and become a Republican. That's my prediction for what 608 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,239 Speaker 1: he's going to do, because if he's going to run 609 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: as a Democrat in West Virginia in twenty twenty four, 610 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: he's gonna get destroyed. It's not going to be close. 611 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: And I understand the powers of incumbency, and I understand 612 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,959 Speaker 1: West Virginia as a unique state, and Mansion's been there 613 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: a long time. It's going to be a presidential election year. 614 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: Trump may well be on the back. He's going to 615 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: get utterly trounced and destroyed. So the only play he 616 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: has if he wants to maintain his political career is 617 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: to hope Republicans take control of the Senate. Because he's 618 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: not gonna flip and change control of the Senate. Hope 619 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: Republicans take control of the Senate and then he's allowed 620 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: to switch. Maybe he's an independent who caucuses with Republicans. 621 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what he'll be, but he has 622 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: zero percent chance take him to the bank, zero percent 623 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: chance of winning re election in twenty twenty four in 624 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: West Virginia as a Democrat. I think he thinks he's 625 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: gonna just rewrite history, and people have short memories, and 626 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: the fact that he's been able to represent West Virginia 627 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: as long as he has should be shocking to what 628 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: anybody I think you're writing at his show to West Virginia. 629 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: If he tries to run as a Democrat again, we're 630 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: not going to allow this to happen. Yeah, it's it's 631 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: crazy because when it really mattered, he's a Democrat, folks, 632 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: that's right, this whole Oh, I'm not one of those 633 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: crazy demick. No. Actually, you went along with a massive 634 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: climate change bill at a time of super high inflation 635 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: where West Virginians and all Americans are having a hard 636 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: time paying for day to day necessities because of government 637 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: spending in what it's doing to our monetary system. So 638 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: he failed the test of sanity here and needs to 639 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: be held to account for it going forward.