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Speaker 1: Tuesday Morning Podcast. Former MMA champ Tyron Woodley is going

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Speaker 1: to fight this Sunday YouTuber turnboxer Jake Paul. I think

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Speaker 1: Jake Paul's fantastic. I think it's a second round knockout.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait. We'll get to that interview. Pretty fascinating

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Speaker 1: kid in about five minutes. So here's my takeaway on

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Speaker 1: what I watched last night between the New Orleans Saints

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Speaker 1: and the Jacksonville Jaguars. Let's start with the Saints. Jamis

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Speaker 1: Winston is a starting quarterback in the NFL. I never

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Speaker 1: thought he was a great fit in Tampa, which was

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Speaker 1: a fairly dysfunctional organization. He came into the league highly

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Speaker 1: immature but super talented. He needed a less chaotic environment,

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Speaker 1: and I also thought Bruce Arians was a difficult fit

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Speaker 1: for him. Jamis's judgment on the field and off has

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Speaker 1: never been his strength, and Bruce Arians is more of

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Speaker 1: a big play coach. In fact, Brady Tom Brady had

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Speaker 1: lots of issues early with Bruce arians style. It is

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Speaker 1: not highly efficient. It's an over the top style. So

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Speaker 1: I think Jamis is going to be rewarded with Sean Payton,

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Speaker 1: who is the best teacher to me in the NFL

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Speaker 1: offensively now, I think Andy Reid's the best play designer.

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Speaker 1: I think Sean Payton could be the best teacher. They're

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Speaker 1: both great. I think it's a better fit now. Sean Payton,

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Speaker 1: like Bruce Arians, can be very emotional, you know. I

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Speaker 1: would love a little more static a personality. A Frank

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Speaker 1: Reich could be perfect for Jamis Winston. But I think

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton understands this is not a Saints team with

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Speaker 1: a ton of deep threats. With Michael Thomas out, They're

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Speaker 1: not going to put a playbook together and game plans

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Speaker 1: to make Jamis Winston carry the football team. This is

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Speaker 1: a good defense, it's well coached, it's an excellent offensive line.

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Speaker 1: They've got a running game, and they've been mostly a

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Speaker 1: detail oriented, efficient offense, not a big play offense in

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Speaker 1: New Orleans for the last three or four years. With

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees, and let's be honest about this. What do

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Speaker 1: we say about rookie quarterbacks. They need a year in

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Speaker 1: this system before they play. Jamis Winston's been in the

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Speaker 1: system for a year. I think he's going to shock people.

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to win this job. I thought

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Speaker 1: he played really well in the first half last night.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a big, strong guy who has shown

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Speaker 1: me a willingness to be coached, to take a small salary.

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Speaker 1: He's reshaped his body. I think he's going to surprise people.

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Speaker 1: I think everybody's waiting for Matt Stafford to blow the

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Speaker 1: league up with the Rams. Well, I would argue the

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Speaker 1: Saints have a better offensive line and now because of

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Speaker 1: Cam Aker's injury, a better running game. They just have

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Speaker 1: an older offensive coach. The Rams have Sean McVay. Watch

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Speaker 1: Jamis Winston put together a really highly productive season with

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Speaker 1: fewer mistakes. I don't love his judgment, but I think

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Speaker 1: he's always thrown a beautiful deep ball and incredibly catchable football.

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Speaker 1: I just thought Bruce Arians and the Buccaneers were an

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Speaker 1: odd fit. The Saints are very structured, very smart, highly efficient,

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Speaker 1: and I think Sean Payton's a very strong fit for

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Speaker 1: Jamis Winston, who should get the job, and I think

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Speaker 1: so urban Meyer gets hired. This is a really, really

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is going to play under dress for virtually

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Speaker 1: You know, people are concerned about urban Meyer. I'm not.

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Speaker 1: He hired a lot of guys, Brian Schottenheimer, Darryl Bevill,

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Speaker 1: Both Jamis Winston and Trevor Lawrence are from the ACC,

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Speaker 1: a fight this past weekend in Vegas. Manny pachyow Pakiao

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Speaker 1: Former MMA guy Tyron Woodley, a big guy, takes on

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Speaker 1: YouTuber Jake Paul. Now, this will not be a first

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Speaker 1: We're into events. We're an entertainment company. This is an event,

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Speaker 1: There had to be Jake, there had to be a

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Speaker 1: the basics, every single day. To at you know, at

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Speaker 1: Woodley's point in his career, to switch up striking coaches

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Speaker 1: to Floyd Mayweather and to try and learn or you know,

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Speaker 1: see what Floyd's going to teach him. It's not going

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Speaker 1: to be very beneficial. There's only so much you can

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Speaker 1: learn in that amount of time. He's the best thing

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Speaker 1: Tying could have done is stick with his striking coach

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Speaker 1: and just get better at what he was already doing. Naturally,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's floating around all these different coaches and

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Speaker 1: lord knows what his game plan is or or you

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Speaker 1: know what he's going to come in there looking like,

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Speaker 1: or have you even practice to beat me? Do you

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Speaker 1: think he's working as hard as you know? Absolutely not,

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Speaker 1: There's there's not there's no there's not no possible way

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Speaker 1: he's working harder than me. You know, I have the

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Speaker 1: best team, from strength and conditioning to boxing coaches to

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Speaker 1: recovery coaches. Uh, you know, just my hunger, my drive,

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Speaker 1: my motivation. You know I'm doing all the little things

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Speaker 1: right that allow me to train harder every single day.

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Speaker 1: And I want it more. I know I want it more.

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Speaker 1: Quite frankly, there's nobody in the sport right now who

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Speaker 1: wants to win as bad as me. I can guarantee that.

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Speaker 1: And so he's he can't work a day at one

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Speaker 1: day in this training camp is harder than his whole

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Speaker 1: camp guaranteed. What time do you get up in the morning.

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Speaker 1: It's different depending on the day, but we go to

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Speaker 1: sleep late because the fight is at night, so we

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Speaker 1: build our schedule to sort of come alive in the nighttime.

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Speaker 1: But I try to get ten hours of sleep for

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Speaker 1: like maximum recovery. Do you start your day with some

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Speaker 1: weight work, roadwork? You obviously probably do a majority of

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Speaker 1: sparring at night because that's when the fight is. What

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Speaker 1: does your day look like training? So today, wake up,

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Speaker 1: do some meditation, envision winning, get my mind, write saying

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Speaker 1: my affirmations, in the mirror, I hit the ice bath.

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Speaker 1: Then I do a little stretch for some recovery, and

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Speaker 1: then I watched film sparring film with my coaches for

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Speaker 1: like forty five minutes of my last sparring session. And

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Speaker 1: then in like an hour and a half here I'll

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Speaker 1: hit like a five five six mile jog. You will

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Speaker 1: outdoors or indoors, treadmiller road run outdoors, and then uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then back into some stretching recovery after that. Let

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Speaker 1: me ask you about breathing your first couple fights. Not

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Speaker 1: that you would hyperventilate, but anxiety. Your heartbeat is racing,

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Speaker 1: and that can suck oxygen. You know, I'm not a

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not a doctor, but I know enough

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Speaker 1: that if you get when I used to run marathons

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Speaker 1: or half marathons, I'd get so amped up my first

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Speaker 1: three or four miles, you know, I'd hit miles six

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, God, I feel shot. Do you how

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Speaker 1: do you monitor that? How do you take yourself because

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Speaker 1: you can't simulate walking into that ring in your early fights, Jake,

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Speaker 1: has it been difficult to kind of pull yourself back

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Speaker 1: because of the anxiety and the heartbeat, the elevation of

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Speaker 1: that after my first fight. It was easy from there

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Speaker 1: on out and I really don't get nervous anymore. I'm

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Speaker 1: excited for the match to start. I've sparred so many

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Speaker 1: times against very hard people that the preparation is there,

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Speaker 1: and this is the fun part for me. This next

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Speaker 1: ten days is the fun part. Like I'm I've been

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Speaker 1: busting my ass day in and day out for a

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Speaker 1: hundred days. Now I get to fly to my home down,

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Speaker 1: do the media mess around, hang with my family, the

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Speaker 1: training camps over. You know, I get the you know,

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Speaker 1: see my opponent, talk shit face to face with him,

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Speaker 1: troll him, make him looked like an idiot, and uh

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Speaker 1: and I get paid to do all this and then

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Speaker 1: and then the pay the fight night, and then the

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Speaker 1: paycheck comes. This is the fun part right now. By

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Speaker 1: the way, I remember when Ali fought Sunny Listen years ago,

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Speaker 1: he said he knew he had him beat in the

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Speaker 1: press conference. In your brief career, do you get a

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Speaker 1: sense of the fighter in that press conference or in

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Speaker 1: that way, Yeah, for sure, But you know it's with

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Speaker 1: some fighters it shows more than others. When I was

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Speaker 1: fighting Nate Robinson, when I saw him in the press conference,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna beat this guy easily. Ben

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Speaker 1: Askron Uh the way in the face to face I

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Speaker 1: did with him the day before the fight, I realized,

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Speaker 1: like the things he was saying to me, I realized,

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Speaker 1: this guy has no idea what he's getting himself into.

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Speaker 1: And at that exact moment the day before the fight,

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Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I know I'm gonna beat this guy.

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Speaker 1: Um So each fight it's it's different, and yeah, I

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Speaker 1: guess we'll see. I think fight weeks tells a lot

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Speaker 1: for sure. Do you take two or three days before

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Speaker 1: the fight off, like when are you in your are

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Speaker 1: you now dialed in for the fight or are you building?

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Speaker 1: And then forty eight hours out like are you in

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Speaker 1: a zone the physical works? Yeah, physical work's done. I'm chilling, resting,

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Speaker 1: keeping my mind off of the fight, just hanging out

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Speaker 1: with my friends. Like it. You would think I was

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Speaker 1: just like, had nothing going on in a couple of days,

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Speaker 1: resting the body, feet up, just chilling. Yeah, just relaxing

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Speaker 1: as much as possible. Finally, there's an old feeling in

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Speaker 1: sitcoms like you're probably too young to remember, you probably

515
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: didn't watch Friends, but it was really popular, right, And

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Speaker 1: there's an old theory that you want the characters to

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Speaker 1: flirt but not ever date because it ruins it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you want them to keep you want to get close close,

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Speaker 1: And I think I don't really want you to fight logan.

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Speaker 1: I want people to talk about it. I want people

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Speaker 1: to think about it. I want people to suggest it.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's better that you don't fight, and

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Speaker 1: that it's a topic more than a reality. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it's weird. I don't know if I want

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Speaker 1: to watch it. I'm not sure yet. And honestly, I

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Speaker 1: haven't heard anyone describe it in that way, And that's

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Speaker 1: the best description I've heard of it, because I feel

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Speaker 1: the same exact way. It's like it's a topic people

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Speaker 1: want us to I could see it happening, but I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I want it to happen. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how I feel truly deep down about it. My

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Speaker 1: parents don't want our parents don't want us to do it. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is this like weird thing, So who knows if

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Speaker 1: it will ever happen. Even you're even now watching you

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Speaker 1: talk about it. It's uncomfortable. Ye, I don't even know

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Speaker 1: if I I don't know, it's just you're right, it's

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Speaker 1: it's uncomfortable. It's like, if we're gonna do that, like

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Speaker 1: it'd be it's so crazy to actually think about it,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm just trying to think, like the bell rings

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Speaker 1: and me and my brother are fighting in front of

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Speaker 1: a bunch of people, Like that's that's pretty crazy. But

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Speaker 1: who knows, who knows what will happen. Hey, listen, good

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Speaker 1: luck to you. I'm really a fan. Um. I think

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Speaker 1: you're totally legit, totally into it. I think you have

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Speaker 1: real power, um and I and I think the three

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Speaker 1: times i've seen you fight, I think your footwork gets better.

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Speaker 1: And I'm no expert on boxing, but I think you're

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Speaker 1: you feel more comfortable, You're you're you're twitchier, you feel

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Speaker 1: more comfortable, you move better. That's my intert from what

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Speaker 1: I've seen, that's what that's my interpretation. I might be

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Speaker 1: just talking out of my ass, but that's what I see,

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Speaker 1: No for sure, you know, And that's and that's just

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Speaker 1: a small part of what I've been able to show.

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Speaker 1: So hopefully I can show more of this fight. Hey,

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Speaker 1: kick butt, thank you man. I appreciate you having me

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Speaker 1: the volume