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Speaker 1: We're all sitting there, all tight, smelling each other across

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Speaker 1: episode Part two. But I got a piece of good news. Um,

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Speaker 1: if you know, but the Trump administration has done a

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Speaker 1: be the thousand things right. Access is really popular. All

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Speaker 1: and the access could mean different stuff, right. Um. So

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Speaker 1: hundreds of courses with thousands of guys at this point,

427
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: and I've not cooked off around on a range with

428
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: a rifle. But Evan, you're familiar with this thing called

429
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: cooking off around. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're when

430
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: your barrels are too hot. What will happen is a

431
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: lot of these depending right where, Because if you're using

432
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: suppressors or not using suppressors, your barrels will get really

433
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: hot and they'll start to smoke. So it's not the

434
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: smoke from the discharge of the round. It's actually it's

435
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: cooking the uh, the surface of the barrel. At that point,

436
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: you you run a lot of different risks, right, You

437
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: run a lot of different risks on the the the

438
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: barrel itself. Your firearms or your hands are going to

439
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: be they're they're gonna be hot as hell. You're gonna

440
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: have to use a glove to hold onto your rifle,

441
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: depending on what you're you know, what you're shooting. Your

442
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: handguards are in place on an m sixteen and four,

443
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: depending on the variable they're using. They're in place to

444
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: protect your hand from the heat of the barrel. But

445
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: at that point, that's an interesting point. Yeah, your barrel

446
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: is so hot that you'll your hand will not be

447
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: able to to to to maintain even through a glove.

448
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: If you get a barrel that hot to cook rounds,

449
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna feel the heat coming off that barrel through

450
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: the handguards and through your glove. Somebody should have stopped

451
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: that training it or ration well before that happened. But

452
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's easy for me to arm trire quarterback

453
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: from my you know, comfortable office here in San Antonio.

454
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: No I like it, man, That's that's good insight. Um.

455
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: When my dad was when my dad would reminisce, he

456
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: had a certain stories from World War Two that he'd

457
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: like to tell and tell again, and when people on

458
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: the subject of urine human urine, he would often reminisce

459
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: about how much he disliked the smell or how much

460
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: he associated the smell of piss with pissing on overheated

461
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: barrels in the military, and the distinct odor that made

462
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: and the um just kind of turned him off to piss.

463
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: Smell hot piss smell. I know that smell, not from

464
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,239
Speaker 1: pissing on firearms, him pissing on my muffler, you know,

465
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: pulling on, pulling over and trying to find the wheel. Well,

466
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: like just burying yourself in because you had a long

467
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: road up and you can't find a place to to

468
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: pull off and get a cover. So I just go

469
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: in on that on that wear weird were at the truck.

470
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: I've lately adopted the really old manny, the really old

471
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: manny thing you do where you open your door and

472
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: it's kind of wedge in there, ye kind of wedge,

473
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: so you're standing, you know, like you look like you

474
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 1: you sort of you're trying to like look like a

475
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: person who I don't know what the hell you look

476
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: like you're doing, Like you're contemplating whether it get in

477
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: or out of your truck, and you take a piss there. Yeah.

478
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: I was doing it the other day and kind of

479
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: got almost got busted by someone. I was at a

480
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: river access and almost got busted by someone who came

481
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: in around and caught me through my own passenger window.

482
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: But I pinched her off and I didn't have an

483
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: issue that that probably a guy recently wrote in where

484
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: he's saying, like a hot tip for ice fish, and

485
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: he says, your hole is freezing up and you think

486
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,719
Speaker 1: pan on it will thaw it out. Don't do it.

487
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: You just wind up with a frozen hole covered in

488
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: frozen piss. Uh. Even now when you're when someone's like, hey, man,

489
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: what the hell's what the hell's Black Rifle Coffee Company? Yeah,

490
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: like why that? What do you tell him? Why not?

491
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: Like did uh, Sir Edmund Hillary? I think he said

492
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: they asked him, why did you climb Everest? Because it

493
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: was there? You know, I don't know. I I I

494
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: say that the Genesis story is not very long, and

495
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: it's really not that complex because I'm not that smart

496
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: of a guy. But I was teaching firearms and roasting

497
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: coffee my previous profession. So I was teaching close quarters

498
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: combat and advanced pistol marksmanship to a bunch of former

499
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: Special Operations guys, and I would have this one pound

500
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: it's called a fluid bed roaster, which is really just

501
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: hot air. It's it's an elaborate popcorn popper essentially in UM,

502
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: I was roasting coffee and teaching firearms at the time.

503
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: Roasting it for personal use, yeah, and for the courses

504
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: that I was teaching, so guys would come through. I

505
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: would get twenty four to twelve guys every few weeks,

506
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: and I would roast coffee for the courses and just

507
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: as a nice as a nice gesture. Yeah, that's always

508
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: for just I had. I had a couple of buddies

509
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: that I would ship it out too, but most of

510
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: the time it was just because I was interested in

511
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: roasting coffee. It was my hobby for a long time.

512
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: I loved it. And I had my service rifle literally

513
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: on the on the tailgate of the g ride, the

514
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: government vehicle, and I had a one pound fluid bed

515
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: coffee roaster on the other side. I looked at those

516
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: two things, put the two words together, black rifle, because

517
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: that's essentially it was just this dirty black rifle from

518
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: being used on the range and coffee. Merge those two

519
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: things and there's black rifle Coffee company. That was it.

520
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: It managed to create a, I guess, an image in

521
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: a lot of people's minds. So if you're anti black rifles,

522
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: that obviously would kind of incite some feeling of negativity.

523
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't really thinking of that at the time, though,

524
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: I was just looking at my service rifle. Is very naive,

525
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: even to the pro to a community and some of

526
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: those other things, I was super naive. I was just

527
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: looking at my service rifle and looking at my coffee roaster, going, yeah,

528
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: these two things look together. You know. I've told this

529
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: story a bunch of times. But and when we're naming,

530
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: when we were like starting a show, making a show, um,

531
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: I was reading, um a lot of books to my

532
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: new kid, a very young kid, and he like dinosaur

533
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: and you'd always get to the t rax and it'd

534
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: be like this ferocious meat eater, right, or you get

535
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: to like a grizzly bear part of a book or whatever,

536
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: and it would be like the this meat eater is

537
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: the king of the mountain. And I was like, I

538
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: kind of like that word. I just like that word.

539
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought of the full implication. And then later

540
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: it became like um, later it's often understood by people

541
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: that you're sort of making a dietary suggestion or that

542
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: you're like the meat eater, when it was just meant

543
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: to be like this sort of like it was meant

544
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: to be this kind of like classification of animals. Yeah,

545
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't blind to the way it would work,

546
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like a really well thought thing. It

547
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: was just it seemed like a cool word. It is

548
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: a cool word. It is like its rolls off the

549
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: tong they're balanced. You know, it's a cool word. But

550
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. People will go, did you I

551
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: didn't hire a marketing company. I didn't really have any

552
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: ideas to even how to market a product. To be

553
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: honest with you, did you did you have a lot

554
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: of people tell you as you're starting your business, did

555
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: you have a lot of people tell you that you

556
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: better change the name? Every day? Yeah, we hear it,

557
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: even today, even today, Yeah, we hear it. We hear

558
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: it every day. Ours isn't ours isn't is pugnacious as

559
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: yours at all. But we still hear um. You know,

560
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: we have a book coming out, Wilderness Skills and Survival Book,

561
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: and we just heard from someone affiliated with you know

562
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: that that our name and there could be divisive. You know,

563
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: I heard all the time. It's just you know, people

564
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: they'll DM me or something or you know, where I

565
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: hear it a lot is from people that don't know me,

566
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: and they're we're introduced in public places somewhere, and you'll

567
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: be sitting there with a group of people and you'll

568
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: have somebody, typically from the corp for at World that

569
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: has you know, way more degrees than they have intelligence,

570
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: and they'll say something like, well, how are you going

571
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: to capture the entire market with the company name like

572
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: Black Rifle? And instantly I just kind of want to say, uh,

573
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: you know, I don't care. You know, typically that's what

574
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: I say, like, I don't care. Uh, I'm not that concerned. Well,

575
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: how can you not be concerned? You know, that's typically

576
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: their reaction to. It's like, I'm just now that concerned. Man.

577
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: I was roscing coffee in my garage, Like, this is

578
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: bigger than I thought it was going to be when

579
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: I was doing it. This is way bigger than it

580
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: is now. I'm more concerned with, you know, other things

581
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: than capturing the entire coffee market. And you know, working

582
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: with a bunch of backslapping, pleaded docker wearing you know,

583
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: back nine D bags Like that's not it's not my thing.

584
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 1: It's not my thing. How didn't get a T shirt

585
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: says that on it? You grew up in in Idaho? Right, Yeah, yeah,

586
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: I grew up in uh someplace. I'm sure you're familiar

587
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: with Lewiston, Idaho. Oh yeah, well, yeah, yeah you grew up.

588
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: Did you grew up hunting and fishing? I did? Yeah, yeah,

589
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: my dad actually, well every both sides my family, uh

590
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: mom's side, my dad's side. I grew up in a

591
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: smaller logging town. When you go up the clear Water

592
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: on Highway twelve, as you're probably familiar with, up and

593
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,959
Speaker 1: over the Lolo Pass, there's a really small small town

594
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: logging town up there called Weip, Idaho. Families from uh

595
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: we Hi Prairie actually and uh then we moved to

596
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: Louiston later in life, and I spent more time fishing

597
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: early on than I did hunting. I would go out

598
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: hunting with my grandpa, my dad both that. I was

599
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: way more interested in isshing. From an early age. I was.

600
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: I was a nerd, you know, like it was when

601
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: I say, you know nerd. I was the guy building

602
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: a fly rod when I was twelve, when all my

603
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: other friends were, you know, wanting to do skateboarding, and

604
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, I'm I'm super interested in

605
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: doing this, trying to build this fly rod. I'm sure

606
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: that you guys are are very similar to that. You

607
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time on the river. I did

608
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: every Uh, I've spent I would say the majority of

609
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: my recreation adult life has been on rivers. Uh. That's

610
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: that's where, That's where I would classify. I'm I'm at home,

611
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: and I feel the most comfortable outside of my home

612
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: home as is in the river. You know, I feel

613
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: like you said this to me. Your mom or your

614
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: dad was Jewish? Right are you my dad? Yeah? Ancestry,

615
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: How did you wind up? What was the line? How

616
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: do you wind up in the logging community there? Uh?

617
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: It was a family tradition. I think my great grandfather

618
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: was actually a sheep herder. Um. Yeah, they're sheep herders.

619
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: And then my grandfather was logging only because that's that's

620
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 1: where they they landed. So my grandfather, my dad's dad,

621
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: we we disconnected from our entire family tree at that point.

622
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: He moved out west and we didn't really know anyone

623
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: past my grandfather. So he had moved out to Idaho

624
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: when he was like twelve or thirteen, taken like a

625
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: train from Colorado or New Mexico and just striking like

626
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: striking out on his own. Yeah. Yeah, they had something

627
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: like you know, eighty kids or something at the point,

628
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: and he struck out and he landed in in a

629
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: small logging town which was Wei Borfino. Uh that that

630
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: whole area in northern Idaho. And uh so we didn't

631
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: really we weren't practicing or anything like that. It was

632
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: something that I found later in life where uh, you know,

633
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: through three and me and a bunch of putting the

634
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: pieces altogether because my dad used to say, oh, we're this,

635
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: We're German, and then it was oh we're we're He

636
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: would he'd have some other names for it. But um,

637
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: it was pretty easy for me to piece it altogether

638
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: because I went to Jerusalem later in life and and

639
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: uh I knew by that time, even before twenty three

640
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: and me came out twenty three, Me just confirmed the

641
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: genetics test basically, Yeah, I got you. Uh how did

642
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: you get into your head growing up the way you

643
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: grew up where he grew up? Did you guys have

644
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: like how did you get in your head you wanted

645
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: to go to Green Bray School? I mean, were you

646
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: were you were you a military family? No, I you know,

647
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: it's super easy as guys that were outdoors. You guys

648
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: are outdoorsmen. Um. I I spent every waking moment. I

649
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: went to the University of Idaho, which is in Moscow,

650
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: every weekend, every morning, and then if you know, depending

651
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: on what you know, Steelhead run was in. It was

652
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: how active I was going to participate in classes basically, Uh,

653
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 1: and I spent the majority of of my high school

654
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: in college days in the outdoors. I was kind of

655
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: introduced to Green Berets through a friend, and I loved

656
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: being in the outdoors. That's that's. I love being in

657
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: the mountains. I love being in the outdoors. And I thought, well,

658
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: I also want to jump out of planes. That's that's

659
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. Uh. You know, the Green Berets mission is

660
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: by with and Through, so they're working with host national

661
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: forces to do essentially covert action, which is direct action.

662
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: That's to me, that was really adventurous. It was super cool.

663
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: It was something that I could spend all my time

664
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: like in jungles and mountains, you know, wearing a rucksack

665
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: and living out of it and and and then also

666
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: you know, jumping out of planes and potentially going to war.

667
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 1: Uh that sounded Nobody really had to convince me too hard,

668
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 1: you know. That was it was a pretty easy connect

669
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: for me as far as me live to look at

670
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: my life in Idaho and say, how do I spend

671
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 1: my my adulthood outside and doing these high adventure things.

672
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: And then too, I wanted to learn, and I was

673
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: kind of in love with this image of, you know,

674
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: to be a Green Beret. They're called snake eaters, and

675
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: you know, they'll eat things to make a billy goat

676
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: puke and all this stuff. And I was like, man,

677
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: I want to be the ultimate survivalist. I'm gonna I'm

678
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: gonna be able to just like go out with nothing

679
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: but a loincloth after I'm done with this and like

680
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: a knife and just survive off the land, which is

681
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: total horseshit, but um, that's kind of eighteen years old.

682
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I wanted to do. And and

683
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't a hard cell. It is easy. As soon

684
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: as I was done with college, I was I was

685
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: off and I wanted to do that. Were your were

686
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: your parents? Were your parents pissed or supportive or they

687
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: didn't really know? Uh, they didn't really know what it

688
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: was they My mom was I don't even know if

689
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: my mom today even really knows what a Green Beret

690
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: does or is she just knows like my son was

691
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: in the military, you know, he worked for the CIA

692
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: for a while. I think she might have even thought

693
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: that the CIA was the Culinary Institute of America for

694
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: a while, like you like, you know, Yeah, my dad

695
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: was like, once he found out that that's what I

696
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: wanted to do. I think he probably pulled me off

697
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: this side and was I was like, well, don't get

698
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: your hopes up, you know, like, no, get get ready

699
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,479
Speaker 1: to be disappointed or something like that, you know, because

700
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to make it through the courses. Yeah.

701
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: I don't think my dad ever looked at me like

702
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: a really hard kid, you know, eighteen years old. So

703
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: I think he was more looking at it like, dude,

704
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: don't don't really get your hopes up too high. Did

705
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: you struggle through the elimination course? No? Uh? I you know,

706
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: I spent most of my time backpacking and and just

707
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: kind of suffering. I I loved to kind of do

708
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: these endurance events before endurance events were cool. I liked

709
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: the aspect of suffering. I wanted to kind of go

710
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: through this hero's journey for a lack of a better term. Um,

711
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: I was in love with that process. And there was

712
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: never a time. I've heard that people always say, well,

713
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: there's always a time when you would have thought about

714
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: quitting or something like that. Like I never thought about quitting.

715
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: I was concerned about my body quitting on me, you know, like,

716
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: oh can I walk another step? You know? Is that

717
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: am I going to collapse from heat exhaustion or you know,

718
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: sleep deprivation. And I was concerned about that. So it

719
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: was a very conscious thought as to where it is

720
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: my body and it's physical performance right, And I never

721
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: found that. I don't know, it's it's very difficult to

722
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: find that. I would imagine I haven't found it yet.

723
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: A friend of ours who was in the Navy pointed

724
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: out that in the in the seal elimination or what

725
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 1: do you guys call it? Not elimination course, but the buds,

726
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: the tryout whatever, you know. He was saying that the

727
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: strategy there is to use um cold water yeah and

728
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: PT mhm what what what do they use on you guys? Uh? Well,

729
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: the cold water PT to break you down, you know,

730
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: or to find your limit, right, and so but with you,

731
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: it's not cold water I'm guessing no. A lot of

732
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: it is built on you have to be alone in

733
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: the woods under a ruck sack for a long period time.

734
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: So it's a map, it's a compass, it's sixty plus

735
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: pounds of weight and a rifle and you're walking from

736
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: point to point to point. That's part of it. And

737
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people are really uncomfortable being in the

738
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: in the in the woods at night. A lot of

739
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: people there's psychologically there. It's a really easy thing to

740
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: start chopping away that the fat and then too, you know,

741
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: as you guys know, like navigating with a net, map

742
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: and compass is a difficult thing to be good at

743
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: it and to hit your points on time. And as

744
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: you're running through the mountains with you know, a map

745
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 1: in one hand, you're dead reckoning portions of it. You're

746
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: trying to hit your times and if you don't hit

747
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: your times, you're going to be eliminated. So that's part

748
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: of it. The other aspects of it are how do

749
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 1: you work as a team. So they do what's called

750
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: team events, so Special Forces Assessment and selection. They have,

751
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: uh it's about three weeks plus before you can even

752
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: get into the course. They have a pre course, which

753
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: is a twenty some day course that puts you through

754
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of different performance standards, land navigation team events,

755
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: and then you get into the course the course, so

756
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: you lose will say, seventy plus percent on the first

757
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: twenty some days. Then if you get accepted into the course,

758
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: you lose another seventy plus percent. It takes you two years.

759
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: It took me two year year, and we'll call it

760
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: nine ten months just to get a Green Beret. So

761
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: it takes a long time and it's different. So when

762
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: you look at other Special Operations units and what they're

763
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: selecting for, each one is selecting for a very specific

764
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: mission set the type of person for that mission set.

765
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: They have very similar They actually, the Special Operations Command

766
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: and the Joint Special Operations Command they have similar sleep

767
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: deprivation selection criterias. They can only keep you up I think,

768
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: don't hold me to this, but it's about three and

769
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: a half days you can stay. They have they at

770
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: some point in the course, whether you're a Green Beret

771
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: or Navy seal or a force recon marine or whatever

772
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: it might be, they're going to keep you up for

773
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: about three and a half days before they put you

774
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: down for about ten minutes of sleep, give or take UM,

775
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: because they'll cause permanent brain damage if you go pass

776
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: something like four days or something like that. I was

777
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: talking to a special operations psychologist about this several years ago,

778
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: and he's like, everybody has the same sleep deprivation standard,

779
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 1: Like everybody has to do the sleep issue, and sleep

780
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: is it is a single worst thing for I think

781
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: to go without it. It hurts your body. It just

782
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 1: hurts your body to go through intense physical activity with

783
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: no food and no sleep. Psychologically, that is so difficult

784
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: to work through problems and be a conscious team member

785
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: and all these issues that you run into. UM. It

786
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: physically hurts to go without sleep, and then you pile

787
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: in all the other things with that. It doesn't surprise

788
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: me that the most of the people that try these

789
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: courses they just don't make it because it's it's devastating

790
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: in it. Even to to this day, I can do

791
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: without sleep, but I don't like it. I don't, I don't.

792
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: I do not like it. It's not something that I

793
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: prefer whatsoever. UM, And I've done it, I think my

794
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: the majority of my adult life. But you know, you

795
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: take yourself three days and then put yourself down for

796
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: a ten minute nap, and then do another day twenty

797
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: four hour cycle, and then put yourself down for another

798
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: ten minute nap, and then do it again. You're a wreck.

799
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: You feel like you've been hit by a by a

800
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: freight train. Uh real quick, what how much do you

801
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: like to sleep? Now? Now that that's all behind you? Now,

802
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: I wish I could like that. I that is like

803
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: one of the things that I really try. I have

804
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: to be really disciplined with my sleep, my sleep routine,

805
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: because I was pre built in this era of guys

806
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: that used to refer to sleep as a crutch. This

807
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,959
Speaker 1: was it was repeated and beat into your head over

808
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 1: and over and over and over again. You're gonna sleep,

809
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: and your dad sleep as a crutch. Sleep sleep, Sleep

810
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: is not It's not an option. I've had two plus

811
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: decades of that. It's only been in the last two

812
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: and a half years of my life where I have

813
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: had to be extremely disciplined about getting seven hours of sleep.

814
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: And now I have to force myself to sleep more

815
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: because I know the long term health benefits and then

816
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: the negative attributes of not getting it right. I don't

817
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: want to have dementia. When I'm sixty, I don't want Alzheimer's.

818
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 1: You know, your recovery cycles are faster. There is such

819
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: a big difference between five and a half hours and

820
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: me and seven and a half hours of sleep. See,

821
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: it's it's miles of difference between worman's, especially when I've

822
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: got all the responsibilities of the company and a few

823
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: other things. I noticed. I noticed those two hours way

824
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: more than I ever have, and more importantly, now I've

825
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: got to think about it, concentrate and work on getting more. Yeah,

826
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,439
Speaker 1: that's uh, well, I've been sleeping my ass off now

827
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: because this, you know, all this quarantine stuff going on.

828
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: I'm starting I was telling my wife the other day,

829
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm getting soft man. We've been sleeping

830
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: at least eight hours every night, which is like, I'm

831
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: I'm I need to end it, just because I don't

832
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: want to have that become, ah such an important thing

833
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: for me. Well, uh, just just what Evans said, You're

834
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: gonna do the opposite now, dude. Yeah, Well, hey, what

835
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: year was all this going on? And you were like, like,

836
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: were you? Um give me the timeline relative to the

837
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: nine eleven attacks. Um. I had graduated the key course

838
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: in the summer of two thousand so you were like

839
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: you were ready to roll, Yeah, right after September eleventh.

840
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: A few days, not a few days, a few months.

841
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: I went to the Philippines on our first rotation, which

842
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: was a War on Terror rotation. And then from the

843
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: Philippines I went to Kuwait and preparation for Operation Iraqi Freedom,

844
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: and I did the invasion of Iraqi Freedom, which was

845
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: March A, two thousand three. So, uh, I was, I

846
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: was graduating and then going straight into the to the

847
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: to the mix. Did you spend a lot of time

848
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan as well? M M only about two and

849
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 1: a half years total, I would imagine, give or take

850
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: the majority of my time because I I was, it

851
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: was with special forces in the invasion of Iraq, and

852
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: then I went to work um two thousand five late

853
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: two thousand five for the for the CIA. Then I

854
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: spent uh the next nine years there. So I was

855
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: deployed the majority of my from from two thousand two

856
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: to two thousand fourteen, the majority of those years I was,

857
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: I was deployed either to Iraq or Afghanistan. For give

858
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: or TAKEI plus days a year. Is the work you

859
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: were doing with the this kind of I'm anticipating this

860
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: is a dumb question, but maybe I'll be surprised it's

861
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: not a dumb question. Is the work you were doing

862
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: with the c I a like fundamentally different than the

863
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: work you're doing with the military. Was it just like

864
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: a whole other skill set or was it sort of

865
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: a continuation of what you skills you had acquired and

866
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: we're putting to use combination? Is it? Green Beret you

867
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: kind of learn a lot about the you know, the

868
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: art of combat, and then you start to put it

869
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: into practice in real combat, and then you start to

870
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: develop and curate other skills that are in the combat environment.

871
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: So not every one of your skills and in combat

872
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: is direct fighting, right, So it's not just taking task

873
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: to the enemy. It's surveillance, countersurveillance, it's asset management, so

874
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: it's information collection. Uh, but you have to be proficient

875
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: in operating in a combat zone because it's a unique environment.

876
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: It's a lot like hunting. If you go out and

877
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: hunt for the first time, and I mean you guys

878
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: think back to think about yourselves if you'd never hunted,

879
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: or you've hunted with a person that's never hunted before there,

880
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 1: their gears all messed up, they walk too loud, they

881
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: don't understand when it's a totally different experience. Combat is

882
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: so much and living in a combat zone is so

883
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: much like that. You have to learn the environment and

884
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: you have to kind of learned how to even survive

885
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: in that environment, and then you can apply the skills

886
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: of just survival to being able to thrive in that

887
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: environment and then excel towards mission accomplishment or mission success um.

888
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: So it's a different set, but it requires the previous skills,

889
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. I imagine that you end up

890
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: um imatually spend You end up with in an in

891
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: ordamate amount of time UM, feeling at risk if you

892
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,919
Speaker 1: had to when you when you imagine that all those

893
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 1: years spent war zones, UM, is the amount of time

894
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,240
Speaker 1: that you felt like that heightened sense of being at risk?

895
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: Is that? Uh? When you think about it now, is

896
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: it was it minutes? Was hours? Was it years? Um?

897
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting because you're body gets acclimated to it UM.

898
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: And it's if you guys, you guys have run like

899
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: big rivers I would imagine, or didn't really well a bit. Yeah,

900
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: I've done it. Yeah, I mean not like you, but yeah,

901
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: I've done stuff where are very aware of the very

902
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,439
Speaker 1: aware of risk. So but as you start to run

903
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: and you get more proficient, you're tolerance starts to go

904
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: up because you're more proficient, you're more confident. And then

905
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: you start going through stuff where they're like, oh, that's

906
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: no big deal, or you're doing a you know, a climb,

907
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: or you're you're roping off on something, and you just

908
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: kind of get a greater amount of tolerance towards risk.

909
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 1: Your body starts to acclimate against it, and then you're

910
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 1: only really heightened when you're being shot at. But even

911
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: then it's not like the first time you were shot at,

912
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Um, So you just get your

913
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: body starts to acclimate and adapt. So I've got I

914
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: got the best sleep of my life. When I was

915
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: down range, we'd live in these shipping containers. I would

916
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: crank the A C unit and block off all the

917
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: light and I could sleep for eight ten hours. I

918
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: can't do that today. Um, but it definitely is one

919
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: of those things where the first couple of years Baghdad,

920
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: Iraq and Ramadhi those places in two thousand five, two

921
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: thousand and six. It was, um, it was so active

922
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: all the time. There were car bombs and I E.

923
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: D S going off every day, and not just a little,

924
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 1: just a few. Um, these were really the most dangerous

925
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 1: places in the world, and they were targeting Americans every

926
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: day with complex attacks and I E. D S. So

927
00:56:55,360 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 1: you got used to being out in the city and

928
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: and fighting. I remember very distinctly sitting multiple times going, Oh,

929
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: that's not my gunfight over there, so I can just

930
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: kind of watch it, um or that's not my ambush.

931
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: I'm not in that ambush, so which it's such a

932
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: weird mentality when you think about it. I'd be on

933
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: the road. It's not my ambush, all right. I Gonna

934
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: be back here drinking coffee until this ambush comes to me,

935
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: I guess. And you know those cities at those time frames,

936
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: uh there. I don't know of any other more dangerous

937
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: kind of work you could do. And the more complex

938
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: environment Bagdad oh five oh six, and mosl and where

939
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: I was there at eight oh nine, by far, they

940
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,479
Speaker 1: were what I call the most spicy. They were they

941
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: were the spicy cities. So that of that country, and

942
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: you're just living in it. We just kind of learned

943
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: to adapt your environment. You just live in it. You

944
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: if you think about it, it'll just eat you alive,

945
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: and you won't you won't actually be able to to

946
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: conduct your profession. At what point, um, maybe it was

947
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: all the time, did you start thinking like, Man, when

948
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: I'm done doing this ship, I'm gonna blank, Like, I'm

949
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: just gonna hunt fish. That's it. Yeah, I'm gonna start

950
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: making roasted coffee. Like like, how do you, um, how

951
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: did you become aware of the sort of afterlife? You know?

952
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't plan for past thirty, which is

953
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: always kind of a a morbid thing for people to hear.

954
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: But I didn't plan past thirty. So past thirty I

955
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: kind of had to develop a new plan. Oh so

956
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna be around for a while, I'm gonna

957
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: have to try to figure my ship out as an adult. Um,

958
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: And then I started having those thoughts. It wasn't until

959
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: I went met my wife where I decided that. And

960
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: it was much like year in life. I was like

961
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: thirty six thirty seven. I wanted to have kids, and

962
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to have a family. Did you always know

963
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: did you always know you were gonna have kids. No,

964
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: I after after thirty, I didn't plan for anything. I

965
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: thought that I truly didn't think that I was going

966
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: to leave iraqra Afghanistan. Um. You mean you didn't think

967
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna leave alive or you just thought that the

968
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: war would go on forever. No, I didn't. I didn't.

969
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: I didn't think I was gonna leave alive. I didn't

970
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: make plans for for for post military post c I A.

971
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: And if I did, my thoughts were in what was

972
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: I going to do? Is a Special Operations guy or

973
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: a CIA guy at at forty or fifty? It wasn't

974
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: until um, it wasn't until probably thirty six, thirty seven,

975
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: And honestly it was it was. It was. I was

976
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: on the middle Fork of the Salmon. I just come

977
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: back from Afghanistan. Um, and the middle Fork of the

978
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: Salmon is in the Church wilderness areas I'm sure you're

979
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: familiar with, because it's just west of you guys and

980
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: boze men. And I'd rode down the river with my buddy,

981
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: and I've done two trips back to back, so I've

982
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: spent about fourteen days in the river. And I realized

983
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: I was like I've got to get out of the

984
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: life that I'm in, and I've got to repatriate myself

985
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: into the mountains. I had had such a long road

986
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: in deserts and in places where people wanted to kill me. Um,

987
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: it was really hard for me to even unplug and

988
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: enjoy the wilderness. And that was like it was strange

989
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: to me. It felt really really foreign, and I didn't

990
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: want to live with that anymore. I really didn't. When

991
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: you're when you're dead and your callous and you can't

992
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: enjoy you know, snow tipped ridgeline or you know, a

993
01:00:55,800 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: simple track somewhere and you can't take enjoyment and in

994
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: those things. Um. It took me about fourteen days to

995
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: kind of strip away that and realize I gotta I

996
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: gotta do something a little bit different with my life

997
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: and get back to the things that I really really loved.

998
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: And it wasn't even two years past that point, it

999
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: was it probably wasn't even eighteen months. I started chopping

1000
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: everything away, and the agency think God told me that

1001
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: they didn't want me to work for them either, and

1002
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: I didn't want to work for them, and it was

1003
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: like it was perfect, which is a plight way of

1004
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: me saying that I got fired, but everybody gets fired

1005
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: from there, so I don't I don't feel this is

1006
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: normal to get fired. Yeah. Nine, you know, I'm when

1007
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: I say it's normal, man, that they have a you know,

1008
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: it's a it's an interesting place to work, but it's

1009
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: it's it's very political. I'm not a political animal. Like

1010
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: I can't survive in political environments. It's not it's not

1011
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: something that can do. I'm not a careerist. And I

1012
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: knew that. I know, I knew that, and so did

1013
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: the people working around me. I'm curious. We say, um,

1014
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: a political environment, what do you mean by that? Do

1015
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: you mean like politics like uh, yeah, like like politics

1016
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: like how we understand politics to be. Or do you

1017
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: mean like political like in terms of people plotting and scheming.

1018
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: I don't even know. It's not even that you've got

1019
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: to And I think this is true with the corporate

1020
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: environment just in general. You've got people that are and

1021
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: you guys understand this too. You've got the mission first,

1022
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: people that are all about accomplishing the goals of the

1023
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: company for the company with team effort and unity. You

1024
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: have people that are serving the country that are the

1025
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: most patriotic and driven people in America, and they are

1026
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: they need all the you know, love and support and

1027
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: appreciation we can with that put put onto them. Then

1028
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: you have the me first people. And these are people

1029
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: where you know, maybe they were picked on as a

1030
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: kid or whatever, and they think that working at a

1031
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: working for an acronym will make them a better person. Right,

1032
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: So because I work at the CIA and I get

1033
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: this next promotion, uh, that will define me as a

1034
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: human being. And so everything is about me and making

1035
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: sure that they are the ones that eat first. They

1036
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 1: are the ones that are you know, promoted and receiving

1037
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: the accolades. And you have it, the silent majority that

1038
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 1: our mission first. Unfortunately, the missions and the mees come

1039
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: in conflict a lot because they just they come into

1040
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: conflict a lot. And uh, there's just a lot of

1041
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: and that's just I think true and in general with

1042
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: government bureaucracies at times when you have people that are

1043
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: more concerned with their career than they are with the

1044
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: mission and the men, and it's unfortunate, but it's it's true.

1045
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: But that's not the majority. It's it's definitely not the majority.

1046
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: Earlier we talked about getting interesting coffee and you kind

1047
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: of just mentioned you'd like the roast coffee. Yeah, but

1048
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: uh like in more detail, how did this whole thing happened.

1049
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people like the roll. There's a

1050
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: lot of people like the roast coffee. I'm not one

1051
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: of them, but I understand there'll be a lot of them.

1052
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: And they don't all have a big coffee company now,

1053
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: which is weird because it's a whole other thing. My

1054
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: buddy and I were joking around and he's he's up

1055
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: here at the ranch with me. He's like, man, you're

1056
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 1: you're kind of seen as like the man now and

1057
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, what what do you like? You know, what

1058
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 1: are you talking about? It's like you're kind of a

1059
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: bigger company, and I'm like, God, I don't feel like it.

1060
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: I still feel like the same guy that was roasting

1061
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: coffee in my garage. But to go back, I started

1062
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: getting really into coffee because I loved coffee, um and

1063
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 1: I started roasting it because I couldn't get fresh roasted

1064
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: coffee down range. I could get this like old, stale,

1065
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 1: nasty coffee. I can get that shipped out. But I

1066
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I'll just buy a little roaster.

1067
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: It'll be a really cool hobby. You know, a lot

1068
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: of guys are you know, they do random stuff where

1069
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: you know, they're like fletching arrows or whatever they do, right, Like,

1070
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: coffee roasting was somewhat like that for me. I would

1071
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: come home, I would experiment with a bunch of different roasts.

1072
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: I was learning about the profiles, and it allowed me

1073
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: to kind of completely disconnect from the professional is into

1074
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: and just kind of dive into something that was a

1075
01:05:53,880 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: little bit more of of of a curated I guess

1076
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 1: interest that I could drink. And a lot of this

1077
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: was just being able to take coffees that I truly

1078
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: loved and take them with me. So I would have

1079
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: these epic cups of coffee that I would roast and

1080
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:14,919
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time with, and I would take

1081
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: them out and you know, be fly fishing in northern

1082
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: Idaho or Montana somewhere, and I would be using my

1083
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: jet boiler, my MSR or whatever it was. I'd make

1084
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: these incredible cups of coffee and then I would take

1085
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: that same roast, poor file, and I would take it

1086
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: with me to Iraq, the shittiest place on Earth, right,

1087
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: and I would go. I would get up in the

1088
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: morning and have a cup of coffee and it would

1089
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 1: remind me of you know, the you know, the north

1090
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: fork of the clear Water Kelly Creek, or you know,

1091
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: remind me of these beautiful rivers that are amazing and

1092
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: that experience that I had on the on on the

1093
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: river bank. But I could get that in the mornings

1094
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 1: in Iraq, and honestly it would it would allow me

1095
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of psychological comfort in a connection to

1096
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: home and those specific places. They kind of just allowed

1097
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: me to continue to operate, and then I just got

1098
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 1: more and more interested in it. Um you know what

1099
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 1: you eventually, when you're hanging out with all these uh,

1100
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 1: you know, hanging out with all these war fighters, you

1101
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: know and like super tough people, and you talked about

1102
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 1: learning how to suffer, was there like a joke how

1103
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Like I like coffee a lot too. Yeah,

1104
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 1: but it was there, the joke that's kind of this

1105
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: like fussy sort of a feat like people were people

1106
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: kind of like what all the time, man, there's a

1107
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 1: big difference between fletching arrows and roasting coffee. Yeah, all

1108
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: the time, all the time. So that then it didn't

1109
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 1: go unnoticed. No, it didn't go unnoticed. I I it was.

1110
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: It was a joke. It was like hayfer is got

1111
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: this weird thing with coffee. But the thing that is

1112
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: is people could come over where, you know, my little

1113
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: hooch was and they knew. You know, one of my

1114
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: other buddies, who's a great guys, is former CEO V Diamond.

1115
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 1: He and I were coffee hardcore coffee heads, and we

1116
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: would make these little coffee you know areas and each

1117
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: one of our bases. Well, everybody likes good coffee. No,

1118
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody unless they don't drink it, right,

1119
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: everybody loves good coffee. I know a couple of people

1120
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: that don't. Yeah, in Utah, there's a few people that

1121
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: don't even do Um No, I mean, I don't mean

1122
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 1: like that they don't like coffee. But for instance, my

1123
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 1: mother's husband, UM just doesn't like He drinks a lot

1124
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: of coffee, but he just insists on it being very

1125
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: He likes folgiers and he likes it to look like tea.

1126
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: That's like the old school. The guys that are from

1127
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: the old school. My grandpa would take these two you know,

1128
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 1: those green Stanley Thermis is they then they just roll

1129
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: roll around the bottom of the truck that the f

1130
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: one fit dea in the mountains and just they're just beat.

1131
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: They got dense all over them. Almost all the green

1132
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 1: is rubbed off. They're almost like the shiny steel wool

1133
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 1: or or stainless steel. My grandpa would make the same crap.

1134
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 1: You could look through the bottom of the top of

1135
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: the glass and see, you know, twelve inches below you

1136
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: could see the bottom of the cup. Right, It's just

1137
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 1: it was horrible and it is horrible. So but that's

1138
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: the that's the old school. I know, if I go anywhere,

1139
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 1: I've I've trained my dad to drink better coffee now.

1140
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: But if I go anywhere with my uncle's man, I can't.

1141
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 1: I can't even entertain the idea of opening up that

1142
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 1: stanley and pouring a cup of coffee. It's just horrible.

1143
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 1: It's nasty. I wonder where that originated, right, because you

1144
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 1: still see it in like ranching communities. Like if you

1145
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 1: just stop in at some random ranch house and they

1146
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: invite you in, like your that's probably the cup of

1147
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: coffee you're gonna get, right, because it is it a

1148
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: depression era thing where well we can't use too much

1149
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: of this because we needed to last longer. I would imagine, yeah,

1150
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: I would imagine. The hardest guy I've ever met in

1151
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 1: my life was never a Green barret or Navy seal.

1152
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: He's a guy, rusty, rusty bents. He's a guy from

1153
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 1: louis and Idaho. The guy would only drink coffee as

1154
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 1: far as I know, I don't know if he ever

1155
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: even had he's had a glass of water. He could

1156
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 1: run full sprint up the and you guys, know these guys,

1157
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 1: you can run full sprint up a ridgeline in white's

1158
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: boots after a cat with a with his dogs, and

1159
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: I would be, you know, I'm running like fifty miles,

1160
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, fifty miles. I'm like a hardcore Green Beret.

1161
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: And he'd be putting me in the in the ground

1162
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: in the mountains. He's just running on coffee. It's like

1163
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 1: the hardest guy on the planet. He's seventy years old.

1164
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: He could probably still humpt me into the ground, you

1165
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like these guys, like the old

1166
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 1: school mountain mountain guys that we've all you know, come

1167
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: into contact with, Like there's there's the hardest some of

1168
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: the hardest people on the planet. And I don't know

1169
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 1: if they just survive on weak coffee, which is that's

1170
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 1: how they hydrate. But I don't know. I've thought about

1171
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: it a lot though, because those people are there's a

1172
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: lot of hard people out there, so and they're they're

1173
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 1: not seals. Hit me with the hit me with the

1174
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 1: basic chronology of how you but how you went from

1175
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 1: hobby coffee or else through too But what was the

1176
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 1: first time you sold some right? Like what like what

1177
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: was your first transaction? Oh, that's that was two thousand fourteen.

1178
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 1: I teamed up with my buddy Matt. He was making

1179
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 1: these stupid videos on the internet. We still do, and

1180
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 1: that's what that's what we kind of do. And uh,

1181
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 1: he was working at the CIA, I was working at

1182
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,640
Speaker 1: the CIA, and we were introduced to one another and

1183
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 1: we both have this a similar sense of humor which

1184
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: is kind of messed up. And he um, He's like, yeah,

1185
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,719
Speaker 1: I've got this T shirt company called Article fifteen Clothing,

1186
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 1: which that's a reference to getting trouble in the military,

1187
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, maybe we should roast coffee. And

1188
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: I was it was a gall UT's roast some coffee

1189
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 1: for for you so I started roasting their coffee first,

1190
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 1: and so I roasted like five pounds of coffee for them.

1191
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:16,719
Speaker 1: And then I said, you know what, I think I'm

1192
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 1: gonna do this online. And I was really interested in

1193
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 1: figuring out. I didn't know how to build a website,

1194
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: do not how to do product photography, but I knew

1195
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 1: that I wanted to have a business that allowed me

1196
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: to explore coffee. That's that's really what I wanted. And

1197
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 1: so I built all of that stuff because I was

1198
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: fascinated with it. I took my product photos, built a website,

1199
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, started tinking around with how to market and

1200
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: put out even like really bad videos, and and then

1201
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:57,440
Speaker 1: I started selling coffee. Really, my first transaction was January

1202
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 1: two fift as my first facial Black Life of Coffee transaction.

1203
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 1: And man, it's blown up since then. Now we have

1204
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 1: two employees. That's incredible. Man, it's it's insane, Like it's insane,

1205
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: like I'm you know, to come back from Wark, have

1206
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: all your fingers and toes. I'm a really lucky guy.

1207
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,759
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I'm a very very fortunate and lucky

1208
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 1: guy for a laundry list of reasons. What's your guys,

1209
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: what's your guys policy on I know you have shiploads

1210
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 1: of vets that work for you, but what's your Is

1211
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 1: there a formal policy or you just try to lean

1212
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:35,759
Speaker 1: that direction as much as you can lean that direction,

1213
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 1: Like explain that all. Uh, Well I said about fifty

1214
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: hiring rate for veterans. Um. You know, as we've grown

1215
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 1: the company, I've had to pull in civilian help because

1216
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 1: they they just know more about a lot of different

1217
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:59,600
Speaker 1: thingspecially when it comes to finance and operational efficiencies. UM.

1218
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 1: So when we say it's our official we we do

1219
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: have a veterans preference, and we try in the hiring

1220
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 1: process if everybody's created equal in a resume, we try

1221
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:16,679
Speaker 1: to put veterans in the shoot against non veterans, uh

1222
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 1: in a in a in a more proficient way, so

1223
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 1: we understand how to read their resumes, we understand their

1224
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,719
Speaker 1: work experience, and we might take on people that don't

1225
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 1: necessarily have the definitive qualifications for a role, but I

1226
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 1: might want to see them there in you know, a

1227
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,640
Speaker 1: hundred eighty or two hundred and seventy days, right, So

1228
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 1: we'll take on people that we we just want to

1229
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: grow into those positions. So I'm trying to be more

1230
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 1: patient in the way that we hire and then I want,

1231
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 1: you know, civilians kind of adapt more to a military

1232
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: culture versus the reverse is true with most veterans, which

1233
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: is they sit it like, you know, five percent give

1234
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 1: or take in some companies, which is high for a

1235
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 1: lot of companies, But they have to adapt to civilian

1236
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: When I say there their lingo. We use a lot

1237
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: of acronyms out here. I do mission planning here for

1238
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 1: the company, and that's my corporate planning. So everybody has

1239
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: to adapt to the way that we do company planning

1240
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 1: the way the military did it. We run military We

1241
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 1: run military structured meetings and briefings, which is kind of

1242
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 1: crazy for a lot of civilians because they're like, what

1243
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 1: in the hell are you guys doing, Like we don't understand, Like, yeah,

1244
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 1: what do you think it feels like to be a

1245
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:37,799
Speaker 1: new guy going into the corporate world, stepping into ge

1246
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 1: for the first time, and you've been, you know, running

1247
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: missions in Ramadi. You're trying to learn as fast as

1248
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 1: you can because you don't understand what they're talking about.

1249
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 1: What does the SWAT analysis? What are you talking about?

1250
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: What's a cost per you know acquisition, I don't know, right,

1251
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 1: So once you dial in your lingo and your recruitment piece, uh,

1252
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 1: it becomes pretty easy that that's that's the way that

1253
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 1: we attract people and the people that we we hire

1254
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 1: and put into positions. You know, you just made an

1255
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 1: interesting point, man um. I was looking at some resumes

1256
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 1: recently and and two of them three counting Coast Guard.

1257
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,560
Speaker 1: Three of them had military experience. And it's funny you

1258
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 1: just mentioned that bext. I didn't realize that wasn't able

1259
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 1: to do it. All it registered one of the does

1260
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: the explanation, okay, what they did for these years? All

1261
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 1: it registered in my head was military, right. I had

1262
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 1: no way to look at it and be like, oh yeah,

1263
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 1: I could picture that skill set right, And it was like,

1264
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 1: but but now, what I realized about myself is I

1265
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:49,720
Speaker 1: didn't even give it the time to go find out

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01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 1: meeting any other job, any sort of job in the

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Speaker 1: professional sector or whatever private sector. I would have been like,

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01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I could picture with that entails like I

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01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: I I see that he must he or she must

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01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,600
Speaker 1: be um proficient at X, Y and Z to have

1271
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 1: done that. But with the military stuff, I'm like, oh,

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01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:11,600
Speaker 1: military yeah, don't I But I don't know. It's the

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01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 1: same thing if I I used to be I was

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01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: I was. I was looking for a chief financial officer

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01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and my partner had to

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01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: explain to me even what a CFO dead. So he's

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01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 1: just like, hey, man, you and I've I've got a

1278
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: great partner. I've got a couple of great partners. But

1279
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 1: they they've they've had to really unpack and organized information

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01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 1: for me, and it's been extremely helpful because I can

1281
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 1: read a military resume of the time, I can tell

1282
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:43,640
Speaker 1: you plus or minus tempercent efficiency? What that what that

1283
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: job really was? Right? What there's the definition to what

1284
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 1: it is, and then what does it mean when you're

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01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 1: actually executing on it. Uh. Whereas if you're a couple

1286
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 1: of years ago, if you were to ask me to

1287
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 1: build a financer and operations department, I would have been like, alright, man,

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01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna grab some people and hopefully they

1289
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 1: can help me figure it out. And that's kind of

1290
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:06,759
Speaker 1: where my head has been in the last few years.

1291
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 1: Like I said, I've been pretty lucky growing the company

1292
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: to not have too many, you know, massive head injuries

1293
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 1: when it's been hiring people. Um, but so still not

1294
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 1: without its mistakes, that's for sure. Yanni's got a question

1295
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 1: for you. Popped up on my screen. Here. Me and

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01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:28,679
Speaker 1: Yanni communicate through little messages. I didn't even see him type.

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01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 1: Are you just thinking? Evan's on that same doctor developed

1298
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 1: Johanni developed the ability just to think into his computer.

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01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:44,480
Speaker 1: He's he's working, he's working on that software. Go ahead, UM,

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01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask this in your testing of making

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01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: coffee and trying to get the right bruise and whatnot,

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01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 1: just being a coffee connoisseur, like, have you ever gotten

1303
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 1: to the point because you're drinking regular caffeinated coffee? Have

1304
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,679
Speaker 1: you ever had too much and had a real issue

1305
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: from drinking too much coffee? Yeah? About once a week,

1306
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 1: give it takes. Yeah, I when you're really cupping a

1307
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:15,799
Speaker 1: lot of coffee, so I'll go to country of origin,

1308
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 1: So I'll go to like Guatemala on Duras, Nicaragua, Columbia,

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01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 1: wherever in Um, if you're cupping a lot of coffees,

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01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: I've made that as mistakes really early, which is you're

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01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: trying the coffee and you take a little spoon and

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01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 1: you're dipping it in, You're you're you're aspirrating it across

1313
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:35,759
Speaker 1: your tongue to try to pick up all the different

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01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 1: different aspects of the coffee. Well, early on, you're supposed

1315
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 1: to spit that out as you're doing it, because if

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01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 1: if you're going to be doing it all day, man,

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01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 1: that's just too much coffee. And these are typically lighter

1318
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: roasted coffees, which have more caffeine in them. Well, lighter

1319
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: roast and has more caffeine. Yeah, so a lighter roasted

1320
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 1: coffee has more caffeine than a darker roasted coffee. Dude,

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01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 1: I've always maked my call on how much caffeine I

1322
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 1: want by I had to ask backward. Yeah, it's super

1323
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 1: easy to think about because the bean itself, as you're

1324
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 1: applying heat to it, it's turning into carbon, right, So

1325
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:19,679
Speaker 1: you're just taking away it's it's integrity and you're putting

1326
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 1: it into charcoal essentially, because if you over roast it,

1327
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:27,719
Speaker 1: you're you're you're you're you're pulling the beans going endo thermic,

1328
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 1: so it's pulling in all this heat and it goes

1329
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 1: exo thermic, so it's pushing it all out and then

1330
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 1: eventually it starts to to decompose from the heat. Right,

1331
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:39,680
Speaker 1: So the darker roasted coffee is less intact of the

1332
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 1: coffee bean itself, and it starts to take away a

1333
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 1: percentage of its caffeine as it gets darker roasted. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you want, I bet Phil new this. Yeah, that's

1335
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 1: one thing. That's one of the stupid things kill would know.

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01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 1: That's like, that's like film those stuff like that. Philisurpri

1337
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,640
Speaker 1: A is you man, he knows lots of stuff. Not

1338
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 1: a Twitter bombs principle or whatever the thing as we

1339
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:10,599
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier principle and Philly, he's good. Go on,

1340
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:17,480
Speaker 1: So and what was what was your question? I forget

1341
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 1: how often you drink too much? So early on when

1342
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 1: I was cutting this stuff, I would just drink it

1343
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 1: because I'm you know, I'm an idiot when it comes

1344
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 1: to something it's kind of like the you know, sleep

1345
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 1: as a crotch and these other things. I'm like, I'm

1346
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 1: just gonna drink this stuff. And your heart. I've I've

1347
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 1: had a few points where I think my heart is

1348
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 1: might come beating out of my chest. And then what

1349
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:47,759
Speaker 1: happens is you get too much and it makes you sleepy,

1350
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:51,600
Speaker 1: so you hit a wall. Oh yeah, man, you know

1351
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: the wall, but you come back off the other side.

1352
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 1: What happens you come back off the other side of

1353
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 1: the wall for me east is you know you can't

1354
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 1: really drive through it, but you know you'll you'll go

1355
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 1: sleepy and then you'll meet Sometimes I'll take like a

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01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 1: five or ten minute nap and then I'll come back

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01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 1: out of it and I'm just as wired for just

1358
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 1: as long. So caffeine, obviously, it takes you a long

1359
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: time to metabolize it. I think it's up to eight hours,

1360
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 1: depending on how much. So if you're drinking all day,

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01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 1: what I like to think is I can just acclimate

1362
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: myself to just crazy amounts of caffeine and eventually just

1363
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 1: power through it. You know. Um Yanni. I don't know

1364
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 1: if you know this about all Yanni, but he can't

1365
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: drink regular coffee anymore because it's his ticker. Really, he's

1366
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 1: decalf only. Are you decalf only? Yeah? It triggers a

1367
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 1: severe ventricular tacardia. Really, how long has that been going on?

1368
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:51,759
Speaker 1: I saved his life three years? Three years? You saved

1369
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 1: his life? Yeah? I had to save his life one time.

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01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 1: How did you do that? I had to drive him

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01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 1: to the doctor. Really, he's had and heart trouble. Wow,

1372
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 1: let's say so you owe hews his life to me, Steve.

1373
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 1: Steve might be exaggerated a little bit. Who else, who

1374
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 1: else is going to drive you down there? Yeah? Drop

1375
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 1: them all way down the middle. Damn night. Um with

1376
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:24,680
Speaker 1: all the uh, what's your take on what's going on

1377
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 1: right now? Man? Like with all the psychologically you know,

1378
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 1: like like with all the imagine that you had to

1379
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:36,560
Speaker 1: learn how to deal with a lot of stress. Um

1380
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:41,600
Speaker 1: is business stress and family stress? Its own brand of

1381
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 1: stress or it's just do you view stress? Is just stress? Now?

1382
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 1: It's his own, it's it's its own stress. There are

1383
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:53,719
Speaker 1: different brands. Yeah, it's heavier. So depending on the type

1384
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: of stress it it carries more weight for me. So

1385
01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 1: light stress, for instance, would be uh, a violent engagement,

1386
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 1: which sounds crazy, you know, be like, oh violent, because

1387
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 1: it's it's you're in and you're out right, you're done.

1388
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:13,799
Speaker 1: The the psychological weight of what's happening right now, because

1389
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 1: the cross pollination of of anxiety between all these different

1390
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 1: aspects of your life, between the company, between your family,

1391
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:28,640
Speaker 1: between you, like this is a big, heavy circumstance that

1392
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 1: I think we're all living in um it it weighs

1393
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 1: it's it's one, it's heavier to it weighs more heavily

1394
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 1: on my psyche, which means I have to spend more

1395
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 1: time compartmentalizing different aspects. And then essentially what I do

1396
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 1: is I try to compartmentalize and then took off priorities

1397
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:58,799
Speaker 1: against how I can solve to decrease the low distress.

1398
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 1: If that makes need form of sense, No, it does not.

1399
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:04,600
Speaker 1: I got you, but walk walk through, walk through to

1400
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 1: stuff or two. Um. So, from my perspective, you have

1401
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 1: concentric rings of responsibility that you have to ultimately take

1402
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 1: care of in order to be a more effective as

1403
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 1: you move out. So myself, I have my internal stress

1404
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 1: which is compounded by the family and then the business.

1405
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 1: So what I have to do is I have to say, Okay,

1406
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 1: what are all the things that I can do individually

1407
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: to make sure that I'm taking care of as far

1408
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 1: as you know. Did I get enough sleep? Am I

1409
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 1: eating correctly? Am I taking care of all the things

1410
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,719
Speaker 1: that I need so I can be psychologically comfortable solving

1411
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 1: the more complex problems? Then okay, what does my family need?

1412
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 1: My family needs stability, They need a plan they need

1413
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: so that becomes finance, it becomes food, it becomes a

1414
01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 1: laundry list of different items. They need leadership. Uh. When

1415
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 1: I say that, I've got to be plugged in in

1416
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:07,759
Speaker 1: a positive influence to the family. So I can't wait.

1417
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: I can't let any of these things affect me to

1418
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:16,640
Speaker 1: the point where I'm not the the cornerstone of responsibility

1419
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:18,639
Speaker 1: for my family. And the way that I can do

1420
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:22,520
Speaker 1: that is by plugging in and being positive every day,

1421
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 1: like you know, propagating love and in an understanding that

1422
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: my kids and my wife need me to be the guy.

1423
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 1: That's that's the catalyst too, nothing but good, right. I

1424
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:38,800
Speaker 1: can't bring any of this negative ship into the house.

1425
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:41,680
Speaker 1: That's my responsibility. And then what I have to do

1426
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 1: is I have to balance that way again and say,

1427
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:47,720
Speaker 1: not only can I not bring any negative things in

1428
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:51,559
Speaker 1: the house, I have to be the positive injection of

1429
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:55,719
Speaker 1: influence across my entire family. So I'm way more engaged

1430
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 1: with my kids than I have been. When I say

1431
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 1: I'm always engaged with my kids, but my kids get

1432
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 1: like a thousand percent dad right now, which is I

1433
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 1: got little ham radios from my kids and I'm you know,

1434
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 1: doing radio checks, and we're doing like fishing, we're more

1435
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 1: active in the garden, and I'm getting up in the

1436
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 1: morning and I'm like super charging them like tickles and stories,

1437
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:21,440
Speaker 1: the things that mean a lot to them. But sometimes

1438
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't get to them on your regular work cycle.

1439
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 1: I'm making sure to hit all those boxes now because

1440
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 1: they need me to be that guy that make sure

1441
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 1: that they're not effective negatively in any way as far

1442
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 1: as their their psychology. There three and six. They can't

1443
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 1: feel the way to this fucking thing. You know. It's

1444
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,640
Speaker 1: interesting you bring that up because earlier I was like

1445
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 1: taking some jokes at my own expense about sleeping right now, um,

1446
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 1: and how much I've been sleeping. But to give a

1447
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 1: little more depth into that, it was there was also

1448
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of a conscious decision there where I

1449
01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 1: do better, Um, I do better as a dad when

1450
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:05,679
Speaker 1: I don't drink at all. Um, and that I don't.

1451
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:07,640
Speaker 1: I never drank to the point where like you like

1452
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:10,240
Speaker 1: you get drunk around your kids. Never, but it would

1453
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 1: be um the hangovers, right, and hangovers really the first

1454
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:17,879
Speaker 1: thing that takes a hit is my patients when I'm hungover,

1455
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 1: and then lack of sleep. It takes a hit at

1456
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 1: my patients and focus, and so in talking about how

1457
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:27,640
Speaker 1: I've been sleeping a lot, it was kind of conscientious

1458
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 1: to sleep a lot through this because it's a lot

1459
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 1: of stress, and I just thought I'd do better with

1460
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:37,680
Speaker 1: my family if I was well rested, which has kind

1461
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 1: of been being true. But we had also have been

1462
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time talking about, um, this will

1463
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 1: be a our kids are at a very young impressionable age,

1464
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 1: and this will be a thing that this this will

1465
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 1: be a thing they talk about for forever, just because

1466
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 1: of where they're at in their age and and wess interesting,

1467
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 1: I was just thinking that my kids by the time

1468
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 1: they're eighteen, it will just be like a little blip

1469
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 1: in their early childhood. How old are your kids? Uh,

1470
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 1: six and eight? I think that the like the year

1471
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:16,639
Speaker 1: that they didn't go to that they got pulled out

1472
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 1: of school and we're home schooled, and there was like

1473
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 1: it was introduced this idea that you have to introduce

1474
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:27,799
Speaker 1: to him that that there's without trying to use these words,

1475
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 1: that it's dangerous to go into other people's houses right now,

1476
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 1: to not go super close to your friends to uh,

1477
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 1: if you go to the river launch to put in

1478
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 1: a boat that you don't go over and talk to

1479
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 1: the dude fishing, right, I feel like this is gonna stick.

1480
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:51,759
Speaker 1: I feel like it will stick. Um, And so we've

1481
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 1: really tried to like me and my wife has a

1482
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 1: couple a little bit of tried to talk about how

1483
01:29:56,479 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 1: much h we early on a few weeks ago hit

1484
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:03,840
Speaker 1: on like that, we're gonna try to switch to I

1485
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 1: think I talked about this last week. We're gonna try

1486
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:09,440
Speaker 1: to switch to more of a need to know basis. Yeah,

1487
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:14,640
Speaker 1: with our kids and um, give them the information they

1488
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:18,679
Speaker 1: need day and day out, but not uh not spend

1489
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 1: a whole lot of time talking about different projections from

1490
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 1: different models and what this might mean, and you know,

1491
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:27,599
Speaker 1: just try to keep it normal. But there's a lot

1492
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 1: of not normal. Yeah, there's a lot of not normal.

1493
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 1: They're not at least for us. You know, we've just

1494
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:39,599
Speaker 1: decided we don't talk about it. So we don't talk

1495
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:42,080
Speaker 1: about it around the kids. We don't talk three and six,

1496
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 1: and I think it's a little bit too young and

1497
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:50,680
Speaker 1: they can already sense that things are wonky. And you know,

1498
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 1: when when when we look at it as when my

1499
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 1: wife and I talked about it. It's at night, so

1500
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 1: we talked about it at night before we go to bed,

1501
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 1: and some of the things and how to defects our life. Um.

1502
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 1: But you know, as kind of going back to where

1503
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:08,439
Speaker 1: what I was thinking about earlier was I have to

1504
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 1: go solved for the most part first, and then family

1505
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 1: and make sure that my family's taken care of and

1506
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 1: I can start taking care of the company more effectively

1507
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:18,439
Speaker 1: because once those boxes are full for me, and I'm

1508
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 1: very kind of a linear thinker in that regard. If

1509
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 1: I've got everything kind of checked across the board and

1510
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm psychologically comfortable being, you know, a leader and a

1511
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 1: positive influence, then I can move to the next one.

1512
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 1: And then I go to my company, and then I

1513
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 1: go from company to the community. So I have to

1514
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 1: fill up every one of those and make sure that

1515
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:45,679
Speaker 1: they're directly proportionate and representing energy. UM. And I think

1516
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 1: that and not only do I think That's what I

1517
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:50,559
Speaker 1: put out to my company too, is you know, you

1518
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 1: have to take care of yourself, your family, the company,

1519
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 1: and then the community. The community is the last one

1520
01:31:57,080 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 1: in the line, but it's not it's not unimportant to us,

1521
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 1: and we do have to directly consider how we can

1522
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 1: help others. And I don't want to get on a soapbox, right,

1523
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:12,520
Speaker 1: but it's you know, if we have psychological stability, leadership,

1524
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 1: and the things that we're plugged in and we've taken

1525
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 1: care of, then we need to be out in the

1526
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 1: community from my company's perspective, trying to inject more positivity

1527
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 1: and and do good for the people that are in need.

1528
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:28,639
Speaker 1: So my wife and I were literally just talking about

1529
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 1: this last week. We're like, we gotta get down and

1530
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:32,839
Speaker 1: donate blood. We've got to do some of these things

1531
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:37,679
Speaker 1: that we know are really important, um, that also impact

1532
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 1: the community outside of what we're doing just for the company. Yeah. Uh,

1533
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 1: Yanni and I have have for a couple of years now, Um,

1534
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 1: not because of any particular love for the company at all,

1535
01:32:53,800 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 1: but we've plugged up Starbucks via as being an alternative

1536
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 1: to Noah's Cafe or or Folds Yours Crystals. Yeah, and

1537
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:09,600
Speaker 1: it changed, like we feel that Starbucks via like fundamentally

1538
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 1: changed the landscape for backpack backpackers and backpack hunters. Um,

1539
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 1: I'm switching, no dude, but what walking me through your hunting,

1540
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:23,360
Speaker 1: your walk me through your product line? Man? Well, you know,

1541
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 1: it's funny. I I actually did not bring this because

1542
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna be on the podcast, but that's what I'm

1543
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:34,840
Speaker 1: drinking right now is black rifle coffees black powder. Um we.

1544
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 1: I spent a couple of years on this. You and

1545
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:42,840
Speaker 1: I were talking about the other day where I didn't

1546
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 1: have a really a good instant option, and it really

1547
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:50,880
Speaker 1: annoyed me because I was taking competitors instant options with me,

1548
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:55,599
Speaker 1: and that's got that's got a burn, right, dude, it's horrible.

1549
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:57,600
Speaker 1: I was I was doing I was doing the lightweight

1550
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 1: uh fly fishing trip in in ast Yellowstone, and I

1551
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 1: was carrying a competitor's coffee with me because I was

1552
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 1: more concerned with shaving the Grahams than I was with

1553
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:14,560
Speaker 1: with making my own coffee. And so I spent a

1554
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 1: couple of years really trying to work on my instant

1555
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:21,759
Speaker 1: um and I would say it is the best instant

1556
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 1: out there. Obviously I'm biased, but it took me a

1557
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:28,000
Speaker 1: long time. I had to go there's only a few

1558
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,599
Speaker 1: different companies that do what's called micro grinding, so they

1559
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 1: actually grind real coffee into the instant coffee. It's a

1560
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:38,440
Speaker 1: combination of freeze drying in micro grinds that are ultimately

1561
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:42,839
Speaker 1: put together to make the best instant coffee. Other instant

1562
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 1: coffees a lot. They can be just kind of an

1563
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:49,639
Speaker 1: amalgamation of different chemicals that make a taste profile similar

1564
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 1: to coffee. So um, we really, when I say we,

1565
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 1: we spent a lot of time on this product. The

1566
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:00,960
Speaker 1: other product that I came out with for packing hunting

1567
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 1: specifically was tea bags, So the standard old looking tea bag,

1568
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:10,120
Speaker 1: but we filled them with coffee and we've got a

1569
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 1: different filtration paper system so you can dip it and

1570
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 1: create you know, a dark cup of coffee or a

1571
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:18,519
Speaker 1: light cup of coffee, depending on where you where you

1572
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 1: want to land that. Uh. And then of course I've

1573
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:23,639
Speaker 1: got like poor over devices and all these other things.

1574
01:35:24,360 --> 01:35:26,800
Speaker 1: I'm the guy that develops all those products for the

1575
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 1: for the most part, when I say any product that

1576
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 1: you see from Black Rifle Coffee, there's there's two names

1577
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:40,519
Speaker 1: on the lower right hand corner, and there's either my name,

1578
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 1: which is about of the products, and then there's Matt

1579
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:48,759
Speaker 1: best name and and he's he's contributing a good portion

1580
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:50,719
Speaker 1: of what we do on the product line as well.

1581
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 1: So I do all the coffees though, so I do

1582
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 1: all the coffee. Percent of any coffee I profile it,

1583
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 1: I cut it. I not only do that, but I

1584
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:03,639
Speaker 1: cut I cut it against the specs every year. So

1585
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 1: I cut every one of our profiles against my original

1586
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:10,560
Speaker 1: specs in my original notes that I developed some of

1587
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 1: these profiles in two thousand eight, So I cut it

1588
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:16,720
Speaker 1: against my original notes from two thousands to make sure

1589
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 1: you didn't get like mission creep exactly. Yeah, and if

1590
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:24,760
Speaker 1: there is, then it's intentional. I've changed it intentionally. And then, uh,

1591
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 1: you guys got a good decalf for all your honese here, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1592
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:33,840
Speaker 1: we do. I do. Uh. It's a decalf um, and

1593
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:36,400
Speaker 1: we do it a couple of different options, but it's

1594
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 1: a Swiss water Colombian decalf. A lot of people, you

1595
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 1: know that because of our marketing. They think we're just

1596
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 1: good marketers and like, man, I'm we have. I have

1597
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 1: a roaster in Nashville that I built last year. I

1598
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:53,599
Speaker 1: have a roaster in Salt Lake City. We go direct

1599
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 1: to source. I've got direct farm relationships with the majority

1600
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:00,720
Speaker 1: of my coffees. I have what's called Q graders, which

1601
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:05,439
Speaker 1: are like roaster Matt roaster mast masters, roastmasters. There were

1602
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 1: roastmasters Q graders in the company myself, like, so we

1603
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 1: we really take pride in those two things, like roasting

1604
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:16,680
Speaker 1: coffee and creating great marketing and then you know, I

1605
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:18,800
Speaker 1: think everything else kind of takes care of itself at

1606
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 1: the end of the day. Is there a decaf in

1607
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:26,640
Speaker 1: the instant too? But there will be in September, depending

1608
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:30,920
Speaker 1: the depending the you know, as we look at manufacturing

1609
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:35,000
Speaker 1: dates continuing to be pushed back, uh, you know, based

1610
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 1: on shutdowns across the United States, I'm hoping that it's

1611
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 1: going to be in September. Like last ELK season, I

1612
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 1: did it um uh. It was a Costa Rican black

1613
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:50,120
Speaker 1: honey and I called it Flying Elk for Elk season.

1614
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 1: Um In this year, I'm doing a Flying Elk two

1615
01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 1: point oh during Elk seasons. So every year I kind

1616
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:02,439
Speaker 1: of cure eight different coffees for different seasons as well,

1617
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:06,920
Speaker 1: so they're they're different. And I took one to Moose

1618
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 1: Camp this year, which was pretty isn't It is amazing

1619
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:13,920
Speaker 1: a cup of coffee, But it's so funny because you're

1620
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 1: out in like you know, an old trapper cabin with

1621
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:19,440
Speaker 1: a bunchel you know, salty guides and your hand grinding

1622
01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:23,439
Speaker 1: coffee and bring it up to temperature. Like, what are

1623
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:29,280
Speaker 1: you doing? Man? It just makes some coffee. Come on. Well, man,

1624
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 1: it's terrible that we're not like normally we'd be sitting

1625
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:37,960
Speaker 1: there hanging out. But we'll have to put that on home.

1626
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:40,080
Speaker 1: We could have a cup of coffee. We'd be having

1627
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:43,599
Speaker 1: a cup of coffee together. I know I love making it,

1628
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 1: so i'd be in there like in the studio, gund

1629
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:50,400
Speaker 1: hand grinding and stuff. I can. I can smell you

1630
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:53,920
Speaker 1: probably weigh it per cup, don't you have? I do? Yeah,

1631
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:57,439
Speaker 1: I have, I have have. I waited every day, every

1632
01:38:57,439 --> 01:38:59,639
Speaker 1: cop It doesn't matter what it is. So it's all

1633
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:04,479
Speaker 1: proper water to coffee ratios based on gram weight and

1634
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 1: also temperature of water. All right, we're gonna I just

1635
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 1: lost audience. You did. I'll just be mindful. No, no, don't.

1636
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 1: I don't mean that. I just mean I'm just disappointed

1637
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:18,200
Speaker 1: because i'd like to well, I want to hang out.

1638
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:21,600
Speaker 1: I want to hang out some time and do something fun. Um,

1639
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:25,519
Speaker 1: and I'm just feeling like psychologically, I'm we called our

1640
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 1: last episode. I missed my friends. Um, it's just I

1641
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:34,600
Speaker 1: didn't realize that it would be so hard for me,

1642
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 1: but it'd be cool. Yeah, I'd like to meet you

1643
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:39,240
Speaker 1: sometime and hang out. I appreciate you coming on the show.

1644
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:42,560
Speaker 1: I would love to. I mean two more seconds in

1645
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:45,599
Speaker 1: my rambling. But I'm a huge fan of the show, guys, Like,

1646
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:49,080
Speaker 1: I love what you guys do over there. Um, you know,

1647
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:52,960
Speaker 1: I watched like Tossbod I think I was telling you

1648
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:56,000
Speaker 1: that on via text. I was like, that's the best show.

1649
01:39:56,240 --> 01:40:01,080
Speaker 1: My daughters watch it. Uh So either way, Like, I mean,

1650
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 1: I would love to hang out with you guys. I

1651
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:06,240
Speaker 1: it's a huge honor to be here because you're you're

1652
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:09,040
Speaker 1: you're creating some of the best content on the Internet.

1653
01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:13,320
Speaker 1: And I don't say that too hardly anybody, but yeah, man,

1654
01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:16,840
Speaker 1: enjoy your time. So your hold up in Texas. I'm

1655
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:19,960
Speaker 1: hold up for the at least the next six weeks.

1656
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:23,559
Speaker 1: We're gonna just flat the curve with the family and

1657
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:27,000
Speaker 1: uh I'm I'm I'm here in San Antonio. I'm gonna

1658
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:30,599
Speaker 1: be hunting with with my daughter. Is pretty much hunt

1659
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:32,640
Speaker 1: effishing every day with the daughters and making sure the

1660
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:36,559
Speaker 1: company stays on the tracks. Good. Have a good Turkey hunt. Tonight.

1661
01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 1: I'll try. I can't get back up there, you guys,

1662
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:42,680
Speaker 1: I'll I'll definitely try to hit you up so I

1663
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 1: can come in because i'd love to see you guys

1664
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:46,519
Speaker 1: in person. Yeah, we'd like to have you are. Our

1665
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:50,160
Speaker 1: open day of Turkey season is getting um ram routed

1666
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:52,439
Speaker 1: by a snow storm. But we'll see how that goes.

1667
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 1: So seriously, it's bad. It's been beautiful, man, But like Saturday,

1668
01:40:57,560 --> 01:40:59,760
Speaker 1: this goes to hell. So we'll climb out. We have

1669
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:03,160
Speaker 1: a long season, will be good. Good, all right, thank you,

1670
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:05,120
Speaker 1: very thank you very much for coming on. We're gonna

1671
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:08,320
Speaker 1: resuse this, all this bullshit ends. We're gonna reschedule you

1672
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 1: and get you up. Yeah, I can't wait. I would

1673
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:16,080
Speaker 1: love to thank you, Evan, Evan, hey for everyone. Black

1674
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:19,559
Speaker 1: Rifle Coffee Company, Oh, should we find out where we

1675
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:21,720
Speaker 1: can get some black Rifle Steve, if we wanted to

1676
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:23,840
Speaker 1: try some out, ye, give me a give me a

1677
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:26,040
Speaker 1: pitch or tell people how to tell people how to

1678
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:28,920
Speaker 1: find you. Yeah, go to Black Rifle Coffee dot com.

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