WEBVTT - Harassment Concerns at Oxford Went Unaddressed for Years 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:10.840 Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. Earlier this year, a 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.760 woman approached Bloomberg's London office with the stories she thought 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:18.600 needed telling about one of the oldest and most prestigious 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:20.080 universities in the world. 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:24.119 She's been trying to highlight problems with Oxford for a 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:24.680 while now. 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:28.319 Catherine Griffiths covers the city of London for Bloomberg with 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:31.200 a focus on equality and workplace culture. 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:33.720 And I thought, yes, we definitely should have a look 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:35.720 at this story and see where it might take us. 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:40.200 That one tip led Catherine to a deeper investigation into 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:45.479 multiple allegations of sexual misconduct, harassment, and bullying at Oxford 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:49.800 University and what dozens of people Catherine talked to described 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.879 as the university's failures in handling them. 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:56.200 The sad truth is actually there are really quite a 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.920 lot of women both there now in this current day 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:04.040 and dating back years who have had really terrible experiences 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:08.120 and not only have been the victims of sexual assault 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:11.800 and harassment and bullying, but also then when they've taken 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:16.200 these problems to the university, they have been very, very 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:20.120 disappointed and traumatized because the university really hasn't dealt with 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:22.560 those issues in a way that the women felt was 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:29.720 the right way to deal with them. 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.320 I'm Sarah Holder and this is the big take from 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:36.959 Bloomberg News Today. On the show, an investigation into allegations 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:41.160 of harassment, bullying, and sexual misconduct at Oxford and why 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:43.959 one of the world's leading universities has been slow to 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:55.880 act against powerful male academics accused of inappropriate behavior. Oxford 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.640 is one of the most famous universities on the planet. 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:02.440 It's educated many of the world's most powerful people, including 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:06.160 political leaders in the UK. Its research labs have made 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:10.760 high profile scientific breakthroughs. Its gothic buildings are what many 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:14.480 people imagine when they picture university campus. It's where many 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.040 of the famous Hogwarts scenes were filmed for the Harry 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:21.960 Potter movies, and Bloomberg's Catherine Griffith says that within the UK, 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:24.720 the university looms large. 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:29.120 It's a place of huge prestige. It's a place that 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:34.440 attracts millions and millions of pounds of donations from individuals, 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:38.920 from governments and from big business people who have an 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:41.720 interest in putting their money at a place where they 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:45.840 hope it can further science and further development, but where 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:48.400 also I think it's probably fair to say hope they 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.000 are going to get a little bit of that Oxford 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:53.480 magic rubbing off on them. They want something out of 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:57.040 that association too, So Oxford is all of those things. 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:01.799 Catherine, You've been digging into how this story influential university 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:08.880 handles something really important, allegations of harassment and misconduct. I'm 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:10.880 wondering if you can give us a sense of your 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.680 reporting process, how you know what you know. 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:19.480 Yes, so we've spoken to nearly fifty people over many 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.840 months now. Some of those people have been able to 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:26.600 give us some documents that back up their own accounts 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:30.200 that have been incredibly useful to really really be clear 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:34.920 that what we've heard is accurate and fair. We found 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:38.160 seven women who were able to tell us about their 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:42.960 experiences over the last five years that included rapes and 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:47.560 sexual assaults. We found there were thirty who described experiences 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.960 of bullying and harassment dating back over about twenty years. 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:54.800 In some cases, women who have themselves tried to come 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:58.920 forward to highlight other people facing these problems and who 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:03.720 have then found themselves to be squashed down, crushed, discouraged 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:07.480 from taking things further. So the numbers are really quite big, 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.080 and I think if we're being realistic, there'll be plenty 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:13.600 of other people who who maybe have had similar experiences. 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.640 One of the men who has been accused of harassment 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:21.160 is Sumitra Dutta. Who is he and what triggered Oxford's 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.000 initial investigation into him. 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:28.000 Yeah, So, Sumitra Dutta was the dean of Oxford's Sayid 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:33.120 Business School and a female academic came forward earlier this 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:38.039 year and made a complaint about him. She alleged that 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:43.360 he harrassed her on several occasions. Oxford did a formal 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:49.000 investigation into those allegations and came back over the summer 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:54.440 to say it was upholding those allegations. Sumitra Dutta then 0:04:54.800 --> 0:05:00.600 left his job. None of the information about the investigation 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:04.120 was made public at the time. There were no reasons 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:08.120 given at the time for his departure, so we were 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:12.280 able to report in September that he left the university 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:16.279 after this investigation and after he had been found to 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:17.279 have harassed her. 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:18.880 What has the fallout been? 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:23.400 So there were academics there who were very unhappy with 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:28.440 the way the university was dealing with the investigation. They 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:32.880 felt they weren't being kept informed properly, and they felt 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.960 increasingly frustrated that, in their view, the university was being 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:41.960 quite hostile to them and not being clear and fair 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:43.000 in its processes. 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.960 Catherine also learned something about Douta's behavior in a past 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.880 workplace that could have raised flags at Oxford. 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:55.920 Before Sumitra Detter worked at Oxford, he had been the 0:05:55.920 --> 0:06:00.039 dean of the Cornell Business School for a while and 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:05.680 he'd had a personal relationship with a young woman, a subordinate, 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:12.640 and when that became known at Cornell, Semitradeter stood down 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:16.479 as dean of the Business school there. Again, none of 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.400 that information was ever put into the public domain at 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:20.320 the time, but. 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.000 When he was hired at Oxford, they knew yeah. 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.839 So he continued at Cornell, just not as dean for 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.640 a few years, and then when he came to Oxford. 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:33.359 My sources have said that Oxford was well aware of 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:36.200 the fact that this had happened at Cornell, and they 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:39.880 went ahead with the hiring Anyway. 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:43.479 Dutta did not respond to Bloomberg's request for Karmet Catherine. 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:48.000 The way Oxford University investigated and handled Judah's case, how 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.719 similar is that to the way that they've handled other 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:51.520 cases like this. 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:56.159 So I think one of the biggest problems, both at 0:06:56.200 --> 0:07:02.560 Oxford and in other universities is people being accused of misconduct. 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:08.599 They're potentially being an investigation of some description, and the 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:12.680 person then leaving that job, and it all happening behind 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:19.720 closed doors without any kind of disclosure or warning or 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:24.080 any sort of way in which potentially a university and 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:28.920 institution could try to ensure that that person maybe doesn't 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.840 go somewhere else where. Clearly the risk is run that 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:36.600 they may do it again. It seems to happen time 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:41.680 and time again. Another person in our reporting was a 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:46.040 really really prestigious professor at Oxford for a long period 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.280 of time. His name is Miles Houston. He was a 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:53.880 professor of social psychology. He's this really really famous person 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:59.400 in his field. We've spoken to twenty women who had 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:02.480 real problem with him over quite a long period of time. 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:06.840 What did women tell you about Houston's behavior and how 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:07.800 it affected them? 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:14.600 So he ran a psychology lab and women and male 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:19.560 students both felt incredibly privileged to work with him. Yet 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:24.040 some of those women found that it was not the 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:28.160 kind of experience they were hoping for or expecting. Miles 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:34.640 Houston has behaved in a sexually harassing way to multiple 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.840 women over many years. According to our reporting, some of 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:42.800 these women described feeling flattered and overwhelmed by the tension, 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.959 not quite knowing what to do given the extreme power 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:50.640 and balance between them. He would give gifts to women 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:55.199 that they felt were intended to make them feel grateful 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.959 towards him. If they said to him that he had 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:01.320 behaved in a way that men made them feel uncomfortable, 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.440 he might use this phraseology, have I been a bad boy? 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:09.560 What happened when women initially raise their concerns? How did 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:10.960 the university respond? 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.560 So in the case of Miles Houston, he was at 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.640 Oxford for eighteen years, so it's a story that sort 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:19.240 of evolved over a long time, and of course, you know, 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:23.400 so did society in that time. There's women who've told 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:28.079 us about trying to raise his behavior with others. One 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.040 woman in particular told us about trying to talk to 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:35.840 a harassment advisor at the university, but her recollection was 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:40.160 that this harassment advisor was more worried about the potential 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:45.360 fallout for the university. Eventually, in twenty seventeen, a woman 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:49.680 did decide she could bring a formal complaint against him, 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:53.640 and that really was the point at which things changed 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:57.080 and there was an investigation. We don't know exactly what 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.600 the outcome was, but we do know that Miles Houston 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:01.920 left to Oxford University in twenty nineteen. 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.800 And what do we know about how Houston has responded 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:10.760 to the university investigations and the concerns raised about his behavior. 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:15.000 So we have tried to ask him and he has 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:20.520 not replied. I've been told by sources that he described 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:25.160 retiring at the time from Oxford in twenty nineteen. He 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:29.000 has done other things in public life since then, including 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:34.360 now working for this Indian university. He remains a fellow 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:38.960 of the British Academy, which is a very prestigious institution 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:44.599 in UK society. But we haven't heard anything, certainly in 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:48.440 the public domain from him that reflects what he may 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.080 or may not think about these allegations. 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:55.679 I'm wondering, more broadly, how has Oxford's leadership responded to 0:10:56.040 --> 0:11:00.400 allegations of harassment, bullying, sexual misconduct in their home and 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.720 what's the pattern that's emerged across all of these cases. 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.720 For you, it has been different in different cases. We 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:10.360 have reported in our story on two investigations where two 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:13.880 men left Oxford, and the women involved in those cases 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:18.240 felt the outcomes were significant victories. But we have also 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:22.079 heard on multiple occasions about women who felt Oxford has 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.679 not done a good job in pursuing their complaints. One 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.920 woman described it as being like a deliberate chaos machine 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:31.800 where the people involved never really intended to help. 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:37.640 In response to Catherine's detailed questions, Oxford said it couldn't 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:41.319 comment on individual cases, but provided a statement. 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:46.200 It's said directly through a spokesperson. Sexual harassment has no 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:50.120 place at Oxford. Our sympathies and thoughts are with anyone 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:54.560 who has experienced harassment or misconduct. We strive to ensure 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.839 that Oxford is always a safe place for all students 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:03.080 and staff. We take concern and seriously applying robust procedures. 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:07.120 Support for those affected is a priority, and we take 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:12.720 precautionary and or disciplinary action where justified. And then it 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:16.240 talked about a new approach. It's brought in that they 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:21.160 say sets out our approach, support and training. We encourage 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.559 anyone who has a concern to raise it. 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:27.640 What have the last inconsequences been for women who have 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:31.200 experienced harassment at Oxford, and for women who have reported 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:32.480 harassment at Oxford. 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.880 Some people who've been through even some of these recent 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:39.160 investigations have said they have been very pleased with the 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:43.640 way people have dealt with their complaints. But the lasting 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:49.720 effect really is women who have been sexually assorted or 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:53.120 harassed or bullied, and then on top of that, who 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:57.040 have gone through processes that on the whole they have 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:04.400 felt to be re traumatizing, upsetting. People describe feeling that 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.640 they have post traumatic stress disorder. There are women who 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:11.240 have left the university. There are women who are sort 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.920 of now in limbo because they can't go back to 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:18.480 their studies necessarily, they can't move forward, and yet they're 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:23.160 alleged harasses have got on fine. 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.520 So why has it been so challenging to get Oxford 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:32.360 to hold people accountable after concerns are raised? That's next. 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:46.880 Bloomberg's Catherine Griffiths has been investigating how Oxford University responds 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:50.520 to allegations of misconduct, and she's uncovered a number of 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:54.640 reasons why one of the UK's leading universities has lagged 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:59.160 behind its peers. Part of it, she says, is structural. 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:03.480 So Oxford University is made up of more than forty 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:07.440 different colleges, and so if you're a student, you might 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:11.520 study at one particular college or another particular college, and 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:17.040 so if you are harrassed or assorted as a student, 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.120 you have to take that complaint in most cases to 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:24.360 your college rather than the central university. And that has 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:28.080 created lots and lots of problems for women who've tried 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:33.160 to hold their harassers to account. That's because these colleges 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:37.640 are their own individual legal entities. There are information sharing 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:42.120 arrangements in place, but in practice people say it doesn't 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:45.320 seem to happen that way, and it creates a complicated, 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:47.640 fragmented system. 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.880 Catherine says. Another challenge is cultural. 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:55.560 So Oxford is a nine hundred odd year old institution. 0:14:56.320 --> 0:15:00.000 People love the history and the traditions, the special class, 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.120 those people where to do exams. There's all sorts of 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:07.600 things which make Oxford Oxford, but certainly linked to that 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:14.320 are quite negative things. And those include a university that 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:20.000 can in some ways be unwilling to make changes that 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:25.600 other places, other parts of society, other universities maybe think 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:29.600 are more appropriate and moving with the times. Now, Oxford 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.880 would probably dispute that, and of course it is at 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:36.000 the cutting edge in many, many different ways. But it 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:41.040 is a university where the vast majority of senior professors 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:44.960 are men. It also has a higher number than at 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:50.200 some of its peers of particularly famous male professors who 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:54.280 bring in lots and lots of grant funding. So Oxford 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:58.080 very explicitly has said to us that it rejects any 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:03.000 kind of suggestion that it puts people's reputation above other 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:07.640 people's safety. But the experiences of people who have spoken 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:11.880 to us is certainly their feeling is that the reputation 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:16.880 of some of their alleged harassers has played into the 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:18.280 way Oxford has dealt with this. 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:23.000 In certain cases that surface during Catherine's reporting process, the 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:27.800 way Oxford leadership responded also contributed to a chilling effect. 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.440 So we spoke to a young woman who was studying 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:35.680 for a PhD at Balliol College, and she has described 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:41.240 to us being sexually assaulted by a male student at 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:45.440 Bailliol College. She made a formal complaint about it, and 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.000 then she says the college dealt with the matter in 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:54.960 an incredibly unsupportive and in her view, unfair way. After that, 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:57.840 she talked to a news organization about what had happened 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:01.800 to her because she felt really upset and frustrated in 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:05.080 the light of that. Helen Gosch, who is the head 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:09.040 of Balliol College, she's a fairly well known person in 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.919 UK public life. She's received a damehood. She called a 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:17.399 meeting for students at which she challenged the young woman 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:21.119 about her account of what had happened, and leaflets were 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:24.080 printed out the young woman has told us, which had 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:27.639 some details about her case on them, including some private 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:32.280 information such as when the alleged sexual assault had taken place. 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:37.720 Following a student backlash, Balliol appointed an external investigator who 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.680 upheld some of the women's complaints. Balliol College told Bloomberg 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:45.159 in a statement that it takes its responsibilities seriously to 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:48.520 address and prevent harassment and has a rigorous set of 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:52.080 policies and procedures in place. It said it implemented all 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.280 the recommendations that were made in two independent reports it 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:59.320 commissioned following a harassment complaint by a student. So, after 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:04.440 doing all this reporting, what stands out about Oxford's process 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.919 for handling these types of issues when compared to the 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:10.280 measures and processes that other UK universities have. 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:15.760 So Oxford has changed its measures in various ways over 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:19.520 the years, and in September even this year has introduced 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:24.919 a new policy for students which is clearer and easier 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:28.000 to use for people who want to bring sexual harassment 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:33.080 non academic misconduct complaints. And that seemed to be a 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:37.400 broadly positive thing. But at the same time, there are 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:41.520 ways in which the university probably is still quite out 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:45.200 of step with other universities, and they may have policies, 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:49.600 but it's really how those policies are implemented and how 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:53.080 when people come forward in highly vulnerable states, how the 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:54.959 university actually deals with those people. 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:59.639 And Catherine's sources say there's more the university could do. 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:05.240 The reality is it's actually quite difficult for Oxford, any university, 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:09.840 any employer, to open the doors and give full disclosure 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:14.240 on an investigation, how it's going, what might happen to 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:18.359 a person who against whom discipline and reaction may be taken. 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:22.359 That said, I think it comes back to this point 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.920 about Oxford being a leader, and really people have told 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:28.560 us that it should be a leader in this field too. 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:32.040 It really needs to send the message to some of 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:37.240 these senior men at the university that this kind of 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:41.840 behavior is completely and utterly unacceptable. They need to make 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:45.000 it clear that they are not going to tolerate it. 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:49.720 On Thursday, in response to Catherine's investigation, the Member of 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:54.200 Parliament for Oxford Western Abingdon Leila Moran, said she would 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:58.400 be following up with university leadership to understand what more 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:06.600 they can do to address this issue. This is the 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:10.240 Big Take from Bloomberg News. I'm Sarah Holder. The show 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:13.520 was hosted by Me, David Gera and Wan Ha. 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