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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Verdict with Ted Cruz. I am joined

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Speaker 1: as always by Senator Ted Cruz and mister Secretary, Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for taking the time out. I know

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Speaker 1: having me. So is there anything to talk about? I

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Speaker 1: think there are a few things. The world's on fire.

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Speaker 1: The world is on fire, and mister Secretary, you've got

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Speaker 1: to deal with a lot of it. Let's begin all

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Speaker 1: the way on the West Coast in Portland. There has

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Speaker 1: been violence, civil unrest and has fallen on you to

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Speaker 1: over the last several years is Congress. Certain members of Congress,

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Speaker 1: I would say, are not supportive of that. But we

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Speaker 1: also have courts and we have lawsuits that we have

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Speaker 1: to deal with. But again, as far as building the

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Speaker 1: border wall system, we're going to reach three hundred miles

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Speaker 1: by the end of August. We'll be We're here in

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Speaker 1: early August. They built two hundred miles of wall. We've

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Speaker 1: got another hundred miles coming into August month or so, right,

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Speaker 1: and I think is the goal by the end of

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Speaker 1: the year, four hundred and fifty fifty to five hundred right, right.

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Speaker 1: And that's a new wall, this is or replacing previous

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Speaker 1: So it's a great you know, this is what the

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Speaker 1: other side, you know, our opponents usually say, is you're

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Speaker 1: not actually building any new wall. So in many cases

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Speaker 1: we are tearing down a five to six foot fence

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Speaker 1: and putting up a thirty foot wall, and in any

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Speaker 1: case that is a new wall. It's very much like

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Speaker 1: if you were to tell you another story of this,

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Speaker 1: just on on the five to six foot fence. Back

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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen presidential race. We're down in Arizona on

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Speaker 1: the border and and you know, I've got a whole

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Speaker 1: bevy of reporters following me, and we're doing we're doing

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Speaker 1: something right on the border wall. And it's got this

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Speaker 1: this little sort of vehicle barrier, the Normandy barriers, the

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Speaker 1: Normandy bearrier. Yeah, that's exactly. It looks like the sort

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Speaker 1: of criss cross yes, metal planks. Yeah. Um. And and

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Speaker 1: the reporters are there, and we've got a bunch of

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Speaker 1: sheriffs and folks who are down there with us, and

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Speaker 1: a bunch of the reporters. They want to get a

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Speaker 1: better camera shot, so they climb over the barrier to

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Speaker 1: shoot north. And I'm like, okay, so you just crossed

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Speaker 1: in the Mexico illegally. Uh. And that's how much little

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Speaker 1: of the barrier is. Did you just hop over the

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Speaker 1: damn thing? Okay? I got a better shot here. Maybe

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Speaker 1: we need something more substantial, given that you're, like I think,

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Speaker 1: currently an illegal immigrant in the country of Mexico. They unwittingly.

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Speaker 1: I think of your point on the border, and it's

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Speaker 1: the point we're all making. And yet you're being stymied

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Speaker 1: left and right on building that wall. But again, we

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Speaker 1: have found ways to do that. We have enough funding,

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Speaker 1: We're in a good place, We're in a good glide pass.

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Speaker 1: So again, as the senator mentioned, about four and fifty

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Speaker 1: to five hundred miles by the end of this calendar year.

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Speaker 1: And that's what the operators want. They want that effective

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Speaker 1: border wall system. It's not everywhere on the border. We

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Speaker 1: can't put it everywhere, but we can put it in

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Speaker 1: the places that need it most so that control, so

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Speaker 1: officers can control other hard hit areas well, even even

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Speaker 1: be on the operators. I think it's what the American

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Speaker 1: people wanted. A made that point time and again. Let

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Speaker 1: me make a point also, that's that's interesting and would

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Speaker 1: surprise you. The guys working for Chad, the CBP guys

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Speaker 1: on the border, they need a lot more technology. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so so I've been I've been out with them on

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Speaker 1: their boats on the river. I've been up in their helicopters,

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Speaker 1: which are old. Some of the helicopters are old Hughey's

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Speaker 1: like like you know, out of out of like watching

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Speaker 1: you know, mash growing up, which by the way, they

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Speaker 1: keep the doors open on the side, and you know,

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Speaker 1: they strap you in, And I think the helicopter pilots

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Speaker 1: enjoy doing turns where you're going forward and you're looking

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Speaker 1: at this one little round disk that that is holding

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Speaker 1: your body and if it comes loose, you're following two

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Speaker 1: hundred feet down into the ground. And you're trying to like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this doesn't bother me at all. I am urinating my

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Speaker 1: pants right now, but no, I'm not not. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: do enjoy. I would say they do that with the

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Speaker 1: acting secretary as well. I have no doubt. But what's interesting,

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Speaker 1: So Texas DPS Department of Public Safety, I've been up

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Speaker 1: Texas has, for example, it's an eight million dollar plane.

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Speaker 1: It's an amazing plane that I've been up in, and

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Speaker 1: it flies along the border and it has heat imagery

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Speaker 1: where they can look like a mile or two away

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Speaker 1: on the other side of the border and you'll see

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Speaker 1: and we'd look at the screen and be like they'd

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Speaker 1: be like, all right, there's the coyote there. You can

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Speaker 1: see him hiding in the brush and you can see

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Speaker 1: four or five people that he's getting ready to send across.

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Speaker 1: And what Texas SPS will do is call CBP and say,

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Speaker 1: all right, there are five guys right here. They're preparing

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Speaker 1: to cross, and you can see the CBP vans like

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Speaker 1: pulling up on the other side, waiting to apprehend them

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Speaker 1: when they come. The amazing thing, though, is the state

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Speaker 1: has better technology than the FETSI, which is messed up.

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Speaker 1: Y'all should have adequate technology, and it's not your fault,

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Speaker 1: it's Congress's fault. We haven't given it, but it's kind

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Speaker 1: of startling. You don't expect the state equipment to be

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Speaker 1: better than the federal equipment. Well, some of our best

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Speaker 1: partners are obviously Texas DPS as well as in Arizona

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Speaker 1: in other places, so we rely on our partners to

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Speaker 1: do our job. But as you indicated, we do not

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Speaker 1: have an unlimited budget, so there are certain we have

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Speaker 1: a number of air assets as well that we send

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Speaker 1: up along that border to patrol that but we can

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Speaker 1: always use new and better equipment. Mister Secretory we want

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Speaker 1: to be respectful of your time. But before we go,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of Americans looking around don't feel

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Speaker 1: great about how things are going. You know, they see

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Speaker 1: holdings on fire, they see this unrest, especially in Portland,

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Speaker 1: they see problems at the border. What's the outlook? Give

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Speaker 1: it to us straight, you know, we don't want false hope.

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Speaker 1: But but how are things looking as we now move

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Speaker 1: toward the end of the year. Well, I would say

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Speaker 1: what we've seen over the past month, and we've talked

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Speaker 1: a bit a little bit about here when we talk

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Speaker 1: about defund the police or you start attacking law enforcement,

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Speaker 1: I think what we are seeing around the country is

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Speaker 1: the result of that. What you have are criminals at

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Speaker 1: their very heart. They are violent opportunists, and they see

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to exploit their street, their corner of the

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Speaker 1: world because they know the police are under a microscope.

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Speaker 1: And so I think that's very dangerous. What the President,

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Speaker 1: what the administration has been very upfront about is we're

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Speaker 1: not going to let this continue. So whether it's through

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Speaker 1: Operation Legend, which is surging federal resources in to deal

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Speaker 1: with some of this violent crime, We're going to continue

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Speaker 1: to searge federal resources in We're going to continue to

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Speaker 1: protect federal property. We see it almost you know, we

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Speaker 1: get threat and intelligence every weekend. Certain federal properties around

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Speaker 1: the country are being targeted by these groups. We searge

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Speaker 1: resources into those communities to make sure that those properties

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Speaker 1: are protected tybally. When we talk about a courthouse, a

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Speaker 1: seat of justice in a city has to be protected.

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Speaker 1: That's what those country is about. And DHS is going

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Speaker 1: to be on the front lines protecting those all Right.

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Speaker 1: A totally different question to wrap up, how do you

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Speaker 1: get to be Secretary of Homeland Security? Like you're a

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Speaker 1: cabinet member, You're one of the top cops in the country.

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Speaker 1: Like what you know when you were when you were

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Speaker 1: a kid, is this what you dreamed of doing? How

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Speaker 1: how did you get here? Yeah, it's a little different.

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Speaker 1: Actually dreamed of joining the military, and for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: it didn't happen. To grow up in Texas, went to

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Speaker 1: school in Dallas, had the opportunity to come to DC

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Speaker 1: and and shortly after nine to eleven joined DHS. Nine

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Speaker 1: to eleven for me, I was on Capitol Hill, rushed

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Speaker 1: out of the buildings. It was a significant factor in

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Speaker 1: my life. Basically right when DHS was four. Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: is back in two thousand and one, two thousand and two.

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Speaker 1: So it was a formidable event in my life and

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Speaker 1: really changed my outlook. So I jumped in, started serving

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Speaker 1: at DAHS, took a break during the Obama administration, and

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Speaker 1: then came back in and held a variety of different

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Speaker 1: positions here in the department. I think the thing that

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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of us here in the part

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Speaker 1: we believe in this mission. We believe in what the

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Speaker 1: department does and how it was created after nine to eleven.

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Speaker 1: It's counter terrorism mission, but it has a number of

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Speaker 1: other missions, some of which we talked about that I

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Speaker 1: think the vast majority of Americans just don't know about

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Speaker 1: Federal Protective Service, a lot of our immigration enforcement, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of other things that we are doing here.

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Speaker 1: So it's a big department, one hundred two hundred forty

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Speaker 1: thousand folks, twenty two different agencies that came in. So

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Speaker 1: what do you do for fun? Like when when I work,

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Speaker 1: but you know, when I can, I try to run

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Speaker 1: a little bit and bike a little bit. Well those

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Speaker 1: hobbies notwithstanding, I think you're probably working a lot more

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Speaker 1: of these days. Well, and I do need to clarify

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Speaker 1: it and just say, Chad, thank you for being here.

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Speaker 1: So as we are here, yeah, your base basement is flooding.

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Speaker 1: It is so there's a tropical storm. It's raining like crazy.

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Speaker 1: You're in DC, You're base. Smith's flooding and your wife

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Speaker 1: is calledge. You're saying, Hey, our basement's flooding, and you

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Speaker 1: said I gotta do a podcast right now. I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna say I'm sorry. I know you're sleeping on the

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Speaker 1: couch tonight. It's my fault, blame it on me. But

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Speaker 1: but you're a great American and please get home quickly

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Speaker 1: and help your wife or or it won't be the couch,

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Speaker 1: it'll be the doghouse. We need to get you back

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Speaker 1: to the basement and more importantly, to the mission. Mister Secretary,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. Senator, I'll see

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