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Speaker 2: Normally the show with normalist takes for when the news

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Speaker 1: I am your host, Mary Katherine Camp.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Carol Marcowitz. How are you, Mary Katherine, I'm good.

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Speaker 2: I'm up in New York City erman doing some Gutfeld show,

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Speaker 2: so you can catch me there and having a nice thank.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 3: The Big Apple, Huh, I've heard of it.

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Speaker 1: It's cold and there's good food. That's what's going on.

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Speaker 4: That really does sum it up.

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna kick it off today with a subject

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Speaker 3: that I dread talking about, and that's Ukraine. I almost

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Speaker 3: care about it more than the average person. I have

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Speaker 3: family in both Ukraine and in Russia. Actually, my family

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Speaker 4: Start of the war.

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Speaker 3: I dread this conversation because I have a very middle

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Speaker 3: and that's not acceptable in this conversation.

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Speaker 4: You have to be.

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Speaker 3: All in on one side or another. If you're not

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Speaker 3: they beat Russia. Then that means you're a Putin lover

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Speaker 3: great spot here. And I also feel very strongly that

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Speaker 4: That's sort of the new thing is well Ukraine started it, like, no,

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Speaker 3: Having said all that, I looked up how much money

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Speaker 3: The United States has spent one hundred and nineteen point

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Speaker 4: Can go on and what's the point.

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Speaker 3: And I say this again as someone who wants Ukraine

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Speaker 4: With other countries.

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Speaker 3: But one thing that I didn't hear a lot of

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Speaker 4: Russia has shown they can't be even Ukraine. And the people.

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Speaker 3: That are sort of arguing that, no, no, Russia's doing

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Speaker 4: So spare me your ifs. They can't beat Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: The blow up you refer to unless you've been under

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Speaker 1: Said when and what Vance said. Win and I am

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Speaker 2: Another fact, though, is that the politics have shifted on this.

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Speaker 3: To say Zelenski has failed at that is kind of

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Speaker 2: Well, and Zelenski makes the point that Ukrainian lives have

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Speaker 3: A real thing, sure, But again, they're getting more than

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's also it's interesting to me that this minerals deal,

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Speaker 3: But I would also just say so Europe is deeply

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Speaker 3: Last, my last comment is you posted about my cousin Vinny,

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Speaker 2: No, it is I said, this is the era of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, here we are.

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Speaker 3: Here, we are living in a world that his lies

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Speaker 3: led us to. And I'm really looking forward to the

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Speaker 3: new crop of people. Obviously, Ja Poticharia is fantastic and

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Speaker 3: we can't wait to see him, you know, do what.

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Speaker 1: He does best.

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Speaker 2: One of the very people who Collins tried to silence.

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Speaker 2: So that's nice to see him rise. And in new

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Speaker 2: news today, nonetheless, I am very, very mad about it.

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Speaker 2: The New York Times has a guest essay by Ian

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Speaker 2: Lipkin and Ralph Barrick. Recent virus research should raise alarm.

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Speaker 2: In a series of experiments, the scientists show that a

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Speaker 2: virus that has a weird name can efficiently infect cells

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Speaker 2: The findings raised the possibility that humans and other animals

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Speaker 2: could be infected by this virus. This coronavirus belongs to

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Speaker 2: a subgroup of viruses that are classified alongside the one

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Speaker 2: that causes mers and that can have fatality rates far

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Speaker 2: higher than that of the virus that caused the COVID pandemic.

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Speaker 2: And wouldn't you know that a lot of people working

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Speaker 2: on this are associated with the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

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Speaker 2: And further, they are doing these experiments at a lab

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Speaker 2: that is not the proper level of security protocols to

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Speaker 2: protect against this kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: No lessons have been learned, and they're like, let's just

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Speaker 3: try this one more time.

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Speaker 4: What are we doing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like we should let somebody know that

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Speaker 3: this is a bad idea and it could lead to

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Speaker 3: a worldwide outbreak. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: The scientists explain that the levels of security for research

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Speaker 2: laboratories go from BSL one the lowest.

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Speaker 1: To BSL four.

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Speaker 2: They explain that four are the ones that you see

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Speaker 2: in movies where scientists around and space suits and stuff

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Speaker 2: with hoses that covered these experiments were done. And I

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Speaker 2: believe BSL two a designation that is not standardized and

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Speaker 2: not formally recognized with centators for disease control and prevention,

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Speaker 2: and that we think is insufficient for work with potentially

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Speaker 2: dangerous respiratory viruses.

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Speaker 3: Level two Like you see the uber like you know,

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Speaker 3: eats delivery driver walking around in the background being like

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Speaker 3: this salad is this?

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Speaker 6: Like what?

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Speaker 2: I can't I don't even know what the name of

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Speaker 2: this one is. I can't even read it out. It's

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Speaker 2: too many, too many figures. But I fear that in

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Speaker 2: the near future I will have to know the name

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Speaker 2: of hk U five CoV two because they.

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Speaker 1: Will have let it out of the laboratory.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll just call it COVID twenty six.

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Speaker 2: You know, can we not? We can?

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Speaker 1: We cannot not. I mean this is horrifying.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm glad it's in the New York Times.

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Speaker 2: They're just like saying the thing, like, there's a lab

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Speaker 2: doing this stuff. We should be worried about it. So

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Speaker 2: we're ahead of the game on that front. Right.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't root for COVID twenty six, but I

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Speaker 3: will say that I will be pressuring you hardcore to

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Speaker 3: move to Florida should.

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Speaker 1: This go down again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this time you cannot wait it out over.

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Speaker 1: There, number two, we can't do it. Do it again.

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