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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan and Tay. On the show, I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: archery coach and shot i Q founder Joel Turner to

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Speaker 1: discuss what I learned and changed about my shooting process

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Speaker 1: after an in person coaching experience with him this very spring.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by First Light. Today we are talking archery,

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Speaker 1: talking how to shoot a boll better. And my guests

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Speaker 1: that just mentioned is Joel Turner. Now, Joel Turner is

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Speaker 1: He's a guy, and that's a name that I think

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Speaker 1: many of you've heard before. Um, He's he's been becoming

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Speaker 1: a pretty well known figure in the world of archery

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Speaker 1: and bow hunting, specifically for those people who have ever

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Speaker 1: had problems or challenges with rushing their shots, or punching

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Speaker 1: the trigger, or holding off of the target or any

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Speaker 1: number basically almost everything that goes wrong when you are

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Speaker 1: trying to shoot at an animal or to target in

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Speaker 1: high pressure situations. All of that stuff can be distilled

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Speaker 1: down to in one form or another as a symptom

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Speaker 1: of target panic and target panics something that I personally

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Speaker 1: have you know, dealt with over the years. It's something

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Speaker 1: I've been pretty candid about on this podcast. Um in

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Speaker 1: in many different forms. And you know, oh gosh, since

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Speaker 1: the very beginning, I think, you know, back in well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how old it was. I think I

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Speaker 1: was like thirteen or something. I started teaching myself to

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Speaker 1: tried to figure it out, and neither one of us

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Speaker 1: I've just been kind of stumbling along, reading stuff, listening

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Speaker 1: to things, talking to people, and trying to piece things together.

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Speaker 1: And you know it, eventually I was able to piece

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Speaker 1: most of the time. I was plenty successful enough over

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Speaker 1: the years. But I don't know, maybe three years ago,

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Speaker 1: four years ago, I had another situation where a shot

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Speaker 1: that's episode two oh six. I also talked to John Dudley.

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Speaker 1: I talked to a few different people about target panic.

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Speaker 1: But if you listen to the podcast I did about

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Speaker 1: two months ago with Tony, it was called the White

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Speaker 1: Tail Therapy Session with Tony Peterson. I recapped my one

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Speaker 1: and he said, Mark, I don't want to overstep you know,

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Speaker 1: who has become one of the most you know, respected

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Speaker 1: So Joel Turner founded shot i Q, which is his

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Speaker 1: So that's what we have today, is the conversation that

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm talking to Joel Turner. I think you're

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Speaker 1: This is some of the best archery content I've found

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Speaker 1: So here's me and Joel sitting in his house in

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Speaker 1: I am here now with Joel Turner. Shot at cute Joel.

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Speaker 1: I just gotta say thank you. It's been a day, buddy,

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Speaker 1: choppy and it has ups to it, and then you

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00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 1: practice with the goal of becoming automatic muscle memories, so

432
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 1: and you know, it's just building motor programs. So that's

433
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 1: the human learning model. That's how we start cognitive. Then

434
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: we practice with the goal of becoming automatic. And the

435
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: problem with shooting is that we follow that same pattern.

436
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: But but shooting involves an explosion that your mind has

437
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 1: an aversion to from birth. So open loop is where

438
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: your mind wants to go. It is the brain sending

439
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: a motor program to the effect or. The effector is

440
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: the muscle group that catches the motor program, and it's

441
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: too fast to gain feedback within it. And for most

442
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: sports that's good. For most movements, that's a good thing,

443
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: but for trigger work it's not because if you go

444
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 1: open loop and your trigger meaning punching the trigger you're

445
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: moving your trigger to rate that's so fast you cannot

446
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: stop it. Therefore you cannot gain feedback within it. Therefore

447
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: your mind is open then to link pre ignition movements

448
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: to that trigger motor program, like the flinch in a firearm.

449
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 1: It's the exact same thing with a bow. It's just

450
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: those pre ignition movements get masked by the bow going

451
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 1: off because we don't have a safety on our bow, right,

452
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: We don't have a bow that only goes off some

453
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: of the time, right, And so in an archer, this

454
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: looks like rushing the shot. This is like punching the

455
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 1: triggers very efficient. It's very efficient. As soon as that pin,

456
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 1: as soon as that pin gets on, or as soon

457
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: as the pin gets close, you start. Your mind wants

458
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: to use that site picture as the shot stimulus. So

459
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: as soon as and that makes intuitive sense, my pins on,

460
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: shoot it. Right. But if you want to go precise,

461
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 1: if you want to get good and accurate, there has

462
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: to be a moment where you stop the train and

463
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,479
Speaker 1: go close. Loop closed. Loop is slow enough, the movement

464
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: is now slow enough you could stop it anywhere within

465
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: it slow enough you can now gain feedback within the

466
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: move like if you watch Bodie's hinge work, or if

467
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: you watch me work a grips here on a on

468
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: a stickbow, the movement is so slow that it's almost imperceptible.

469
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 1: But we are working, right, And now you've experienced that

470
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: where you hooked that finger around the trigger and you're

471
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: working and you're talking yourself through that so that you

472
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: can concentrate on it, and it's moving so slow that

473
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: you could stop it anywhere within it, and then all

474
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: of a sudden it breaks, and your mind doesn't know

475
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: when it's going to break. Therefore it doesn't know when

476
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: to put pre ignition movements in there. It's basically the

477
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: conscious override. I mean, I don't consider myself a shooting instructor.

478
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: I teach the conscious defiance of human nature, right literally,

479
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,479
Speaker 1: that's what we're that's that is what we are teaching.

480
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: It's a much better title, but we'll left it on

481
00:25:47,840 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: a business card. Yeah right, I don't know. So okay,

482
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: So closed loop shooting. Closed loop processes allow us to

483
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: retake control of our shot. What does that? What does that? Actually? What?

484
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: Let me let me get let me take a different

485
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: angle at this. I guess we chatted three years ago

486
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: or four years ago or something, and I listened to

487
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: some other things you've done with other people, and then

488
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: we chatted through this and you told me about closed

489
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: loop versus open loop, and we talked about how you know,

490
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: you want to have you know, actual you know, words

491
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 1: or phrases that you use to lock yourself into this

492
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: process along the way, um, and that allows you to

493
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 1: retake that control. So so I heard those things and

494
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: I started trying to put some of that into effect,

495
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: and then you know, I did a little bit of that,

496
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: and then probably the next year, I was convinced to

497
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: try using a silver back, which then is you know,

498
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: attention release. That kept me from be able bunch of

499
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: trigger and I was forced to slow down to a

500
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: degree um. And so for a couple of years, you know,

501
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: that worked. I had better shots on animals. I felt

502
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: like behind the house practicing, I felt you know, in

503
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: control and all that. And then this past season, you know,

504
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: stuff started not going right, and then that built onto

505
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: after the first hunt didn't go right that I'm thinking

506
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: more and more about it in the sex second hunt

507
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: and that doesn't go quite right. I definitely know I

508
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: rushed a shot on my second hunt so I'm thinking

509
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: about it more and more and more. And the third hunt,

510
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: I had a series of things where I rushed the

511
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: shot again and clear missed an animal. And now by

512
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: the fourth hunt, I'm, you know, actively turning down shots

513
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 1: that I would have taken three months earlier. And so

514
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: now stuff is just crumbling. My confidence is crumbling, everything's crumbling.

515
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: I realized at the end of the year, you know,

516
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: I need to reassess where I'm at and what I've

517
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: been doing. A friends recommendation brought me back to you,

518
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 1: and this time thinking, okay, I can't just listen to

519
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: what he said and say I'll take a little bit

520
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 1: of it, and said it was okay. I need to

521
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: completely build myself back up and do it perfectly, do

522
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: it the full way that it's supposed to be done,

523
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: which is what brought me here today. So this morning

524
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: we got together. I told you this story. I told

525
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: you what happened to me. I told you what I

526
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: tried so far. What was your analysis of my situation

527
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 1: when I when I showed up at your doorstep and

528
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: you heard what I had to say and you saw

529
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: me shoot a few times. What was what was like

530
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: your diagnosis? What was wrong with me? Or where was

531
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: I at or what was my problem? When you heard

532
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: all of those things. So you were almost there, just

533
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: because I know that you have knowledge of this system

534
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: from our previous conversations, and then you get to shoot

535
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: quite a few critters per year. You were almost there,

536
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: but you were not accepting the science of how it

537
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: really worked. And and maybe you weren't aware of the

538
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: science and how it worked. But I knew that would

539
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: be an easy fix, just just from listening to you talk.

540
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: And when I can assess somebody's personality, I instantly know.

541
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: And then we do the signature test, and I instantly

542
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: know how easy it's going to be for you because

543
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: that signature test, you know, test your ability to make

544
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: decisions right and how deep is your determination? Well, you

545
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: know you were You were determined. You're a very determined person.

546
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: But that led to frustration only because you may not

547
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: have understood what to do with your determination right. You

548
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: need to turn your determination into not better shooting, you

549
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: needed to turn into better thinking right, and how to

550
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: actually think your way through a shot. So the first

551
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: time I watched you shoot a shot, I mean I

552
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: gave you a release that you've never even shot before.

553
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: I didn't let you shoot the silver Back. And this

554
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: is nothing against tension actively releases. They are a phenomenal

555
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: tool and I used them very regularly in my clinics.

556
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: I use them for a very specific purpose because if

557
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: some many goes to attention actior release because it's the

558
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: only one they can control, then you get stuck in

559
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: that and and I don't want people to be stuck.

560
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: I want you to be able to run any release

561
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: you want, write anything from you know, index finger trigger,

562
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: thumb button, hinge, hinge with a safety, hinge without a safety.

563
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter whatever tension activated. You should be able

564
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: to run them all if you understand the trigger system.

565
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: So I don't want people to get stuck because attention

566
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: ACTIVIR release forces you into the decision of movement. Safety

567
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 1: goes in drawback and aim safety comes off, so it

568
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: gives you this big separation from the aim by taking

569
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: the safety off, and then if you don't decide to move,

570
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: your bow is not gonna go off. So it forces

571
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: you into the decision. Whereas I want you to be

572
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: able to make that decision with any release and run anything.

573
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: So I knew that just from you shooting the silver

574
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: back so much. I knew that you would. It would

575
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: be an easy fix, right. And then when I gave

576
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: you that that B three Hawk flex and had you

577
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: shoot it, I watched you put your finger around the

578
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: trigger and then you started to move and it didn't

579
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: go off because I've got it set really tight, and

580
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: it didn't go off. So there was this you can

581
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: see this confusion start in your mind. I mean, I'm

582
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: watching all this in one shot, the first shot that

583
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: you shot in front of me. So you started and

584
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: then it stopped, and then you punched the trigger, right,

585
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: And when I asked you what you were thinking about,

586
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: you were thinking about the release and the movement and

587
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: how you were thinking Instead of about the movement, you

588
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: were thinking, when's this thing going to go off? How

589
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: much pressure do I gotta put on this thing? Man?

590
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: This thing is tight. All of those thoughts do not

591
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: equal movement, right, So you weren't actually putting your conscious

592
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: mind into the movement. It was stuck in questions why

593
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: isn't it going off yet? When's it going to go off?

594
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: And that's as soon as your thought process leaves the movement,

595
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: the subconscious rushes in autopilot punches the trigger for you

596
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: and puts pre ignition movements along with your trigger motor program.

597
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: But then your second and third shot were better still

598
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of open looping the trigger, and that

599
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: just told me that's it's going to be an easy fix.

600
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: So so from there, I think we then talked through

601
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: how I need to start putting both decisions and words

602
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: to my entire process right. Well, first we talked about

603
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: the aim right and the science of aiming and visual

604
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: appropriate reception. How you really don't have any control over

605
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: your aim anyways you put it. You had a really

606
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: great little exercise I did that was really um interesting,

607
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: which was where you told me like hold up a

608
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: pistol like if I was gonna be shooting a gun,

609
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: and then you just want me to aim it and

610
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: not doing and do nothing but aim it. And then

611
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: well maybe you should tell me what you do. So

612
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: I do that. I I put your conscious mind into

613
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: the aim, and then I gave you impact within the

614
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: aiming system. So I simply got you to aim at

615
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: a target with your little thumb front site, and then

616
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: I tap your hands and you can see my hand

617
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: coming at your hand, and so your body formulates motor

618
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: programs against it, form its reactions against that impact, and

619
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: then I when I missed your hand, you move significantly

620
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: and because your mind believed the impact was coming. So

621
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: that's exactly what happens in a shot where your mind

622
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: is using the site for the site picture as the

623
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: stimulus for your shot. And if you put your conscious

624
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: mind in that, you're going to punch the trigger every

625
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: single time, every single time. And so then the the

626
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: other thing is you were describing with that aim is

627
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: that if we just if I aim and I'm what

628
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: I'm looking at, it will naturally want to go back

629
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: to their So so describe describe why what am I

630
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: trying to say here? I think in the past, you know,

631
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: pre I've had a several step process. I made one

632
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: set of progress when we first talked, and when I

633
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: switched the silver back. That's when I started to learn

634
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: not to focus on trying to hold the pen rock steady.

635
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: I did get better just letting the pin hover and

636
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: and just letting naturally do what you're describing. And then

637
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: I think where I've had to now make this next

638
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: step is is focusing my mind now into really getting

639
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 1: this next movement. Um, But walk me through that whole aiming.

640
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: Walk me through what I sort of learned a couple

641
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: of years ago. When it comes to just letting it flow,

642
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: letting it be, and not being focused on that right.

643
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: You literally have no control, no physical control over your aim.

644
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: It's it's through a system called visual appropriate exception. So

645
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: the analogy that I like to use is driving. So

646
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: you are driving down the road and you get visual

647
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: feedback to your vehicle's vering slightly to the left, and

648
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: you make an automatic correction on the steering roil without

649
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: even having to think about it. You make a correction

650
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: on the steering wheel, and when you get the right

651
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: visual feedback to your vehicles back in the center of lane,

652
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: that movement on the steering wheel stops and then goes

653
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: the other direction based on the next visual feedback that

654
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 1: you get. So no matter which way your pin moves,

655
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: it's next movement is always back to the center. And

656
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: that's not done physically, it's done mentally. Your subconscious is

657
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 1: very good at aiming, and that's where you should leave

658
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: it right. You should let the subconscious have the aim,

659
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: So drawback and aim. Get it done. Don't be moving

660
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: slowly into the target, you know coming up from the bottom, down,

661
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: from the top end, from the side. You should not

662
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: know what direction your pin comes from. All you should

663
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: know is get it on the target as quickly as

664
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: possible and then enjoy the show because you don't have

665
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: any control over it anyways, Watch it dance, let it

666
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: do its thing, and move on to way more important

667
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: things in your shot. Your pin does not need to

668
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 1: be in the middle for you to hit the middle.

669
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: So you're telling me I don't need to pick a

670
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: hair and have it be staying right on that single

671
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 1: hair the entire time, just perfect. But picking a hair,

672
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: picking a spot is a good thing because it gives

673
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 1: that pin a much more acute anchor point to always

674
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: come back to right. Subconsciously, yeah, so it's not swinging

675
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: through the lungs. It's swinging you know, through that hair.

676
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: That hair, that spot that you pick must be the

677
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: anchor point that it always comes back to right. And

678
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: many people out there, many of your listeners, I guarantee

679
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: you are locked off the target. They can't even put

680
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: their pin on the target, and then any movement towards

681
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: the target causes them to punch the trigger. So you

682
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: have and that's natural, and your mind loves you for it,

683
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: right it because it was able to hold you off target.

684
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: So the pins still in the grenade, and then once

685
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: you yip your bow up or down and then you

686
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: punch the trigger, your mind is really able to brace

687
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: you for that impact. So it's it's a series of

688
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: decisions you described to me that I need to make

689
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: throughout this process to lock me in. And and I

690
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: don't know if you want to cover all that or

691
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: if you want to walk me through just a couple

692
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: of those key pieces, but but can you lay a

693
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: little bit of the groundwork there that you talked me through.

694
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: As far as my I kind of viewed them as

695
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: like speed bumps along my route. If if I'm if

696
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: the old me would see a deer come in and

697
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: I was drawing back, and the whole thing was like

698
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm speeding through a stoplight. Maybe is what I was

699
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: historically doing. You've now been putting these great, big speed

700
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: bumps in the way where I have to stop in

701
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: my mind, I have to take control of the situation.

702
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: I have to remember, okay, now I'm moving to this

703
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: next stage, make this decision, and then I have a

704
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: set of words that I that that phrase I use

705
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: that that moves me to the next one, and then

706
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: I haven't stop point another decision. Can you talk me

707
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: through some of why that's important and what some of

708
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: those decisions are. So if you don't start the shot

709
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: with the decision, if you start the shot by drawing

710
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: your bow, you're already way behind the game. If you

711
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 1: start the shot with a decision like I'm gonna shoot

712
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: this show with control no matter what. Now we're not

713
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: thinking that's a you know, that's a huge ten point

714
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: back in front of us. We're thinking, I'm about the

715
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: shot process, right, So now you are, I'm shooting the

716
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: shot of control no matter what. That makes us intensely present.

717
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: Now when we draw our bow, we draw our bow

718
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: with knowledge and purpose on how it's gonna go right.

719
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: It's we have. What we have done today is we

720
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: have erased the wonder from your shot. You should have

721
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: zero percent wonder on how your SHOT's gonna go right.

722
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: So that and it all starts with what we call

723
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: that original decision. Before you draw your bow back, say

724
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: something right and no matter what is a very strong,

725
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: determined statement, no matter what. Then you draw your bow back,

726
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: and if you need more presence because that's what decision

727
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: to do. For us. Say something to yourself as you

728
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: draw your bow back, if you want to say something

729
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 1: about the process, like I'm gonna do this right, whatever

730
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: it may be, Say something when you draw your bow back,

731
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: and that will make you intensely present for your next task,

732
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: which is to get the pin on the target. And

733
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: then you address the trigger as the mechanical signal that

734
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: you are done aiming. And then now you're in that

735
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: critical second. And when you say address the trigger, sorry,

736
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: that's you're actually putting your finger on the trigger, putting

737
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: your thumb on the button or whatever. So now you're

738
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: working a hinge to a click or taking the safety

739
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: off your tension act their release. Right, You're now addressing

740
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: the trigger and then becomes the most important decision in

741
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: that critical second and gets you through that critical second.

742
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: That's here I go. And we say that because that

743
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: is verbage that is used to get people to hurl

744
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: their bodies out of airplanes. It is the embodiment of

745
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: the conscious override of your central nervous system that is

746
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: saying do not do this right, do not do this

747
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: movement that causes an explosion and attempt to surprise me

748
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: with that. Your your human mind is not like shooting

749
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: at all, right, it's all negative smoke, fire, noise, recoil,

750
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: you know, bows blowing up, all these things. So it

751
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: does not like that. So it literally takes a conscious override.

752
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: And that's where here I Go comes in. And so

753
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: that's that critical second, getting yourself through that one second

754
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: in time after your mind believes the aim is complete.

755
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: When you get yourself through that one second and you

756
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: use that second to increase your presence. Now we can

757
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: concentrate on this one task, which is moving the trigger

758
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: slow can stop it, and that that critical second for

759
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: many people. I think this is this is certainly what

760
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: I've experienced in the past, and I think this is

761
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: what you said for many people. That critical second is

762
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: when so many people that's when they want to go.

763
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: But if you can stop and not and just get

764
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: past that first wave of I want to shoot, you

765
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: get past that, and then you have this this this queue.

766
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: It's like to say you take the safety off, almost

767
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: metaphorically but kind of becomes literally taking the safety off

768
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: then and forcing that slow pause. Now, all of a sudden,

769
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: you can do this next thing which you're describe, which

770
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: is now your slow movement, which in the past would

771
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: have been just shot and now instead of think this thing,

772
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: this thing, and you know what's coming. That's the beauty,

773
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: that's the power of it is you know exactly what

774
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: you're doing next in your shot. There is no mystery

775
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: on how this shot is going to go. Where the

776
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: arrow goes, As Donny Vincent says, none of your business right,

777
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: And it's not because if you do your process, it's

778
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: going in the middle. Why wouldn't it right? So, I mean,

779
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: you got to see it today. You got to see

780
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: me perform with my nemesis critter, a coyote. Right. So

781
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: Mark's out there shooting today and uh and a coyote

782
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: runs out into my field and you go, hey, there's kyote.

783
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: So I instantly run to my gun safe, grabbed my six.

784
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: The worst decision that kyote it could have ever made.

785
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: I run the gun, safe, gets six five PRC. I

786
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: get out there. I'm I'm resting over this fence. And

787
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: that used to be a nightmare scenario for me. There's

788
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: no way I could hit a coyote. Before I understood

789
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: the science of how my mind work. As soon as

790
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: my crossers used to get on hair bingo. I punched

791
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: that trigger and I would miss because it would my

792
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: pre ignition movement that was linked to my trigger motor

793
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: program would just put me outside the acceptable reins. It's

794
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: not a very big target, right, So this coyote made

795
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,959
Speaker 1: the mistake of finally coming out of that little draw

796
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 1: and he poked his head up over that over the rise,

797
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: and I was able to shoot him at the base

798
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: of the year, right at a hundred yards. That never

799
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: would have happened twenty years ago, fifteen years ago, no way.

800
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: It was a strong demonstration of your process. So, uh,

801
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: you know that was just it's with firearms as well,

802
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: because when I got my crossers on that thing's head,

803
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: everything in my being said punch it because it's on there, right,

804
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: And because I have now a lot of experience with that,

805
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, nope, here I go. And then I worked

806
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: myself keep press and keep pressing and keep pressing that

807
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: trigger until it went off. And you know, unfortunately for

808
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: the coyote, he stayed there long enough for me to

809
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: get through my my process. And that is what you

810
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: have to get better at, is the organization of all

811
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: the stuff up to here I go, because after here

812
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: I go is a very specific speed that you now

813
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: know right through your signature test. You now know exactly

814
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: how fast you can go. But you've got to get

815
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: better at the organization, original decision right, drawback and aime,

816
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: get it done, address the trigger. Here I go, and

817
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: then you work right. So this shot, a controlled shot,

818
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: doesn't really take any longer than a normal shot. It's

819
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: just it's very organized right now. One thing that I

820
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: that I remember you saying, and remember me thinking I

821
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: should do this, but never stuck with and actually really

822
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: truly embedded into my brain and did all the way

823
00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: was literally say these words throughout the decision making process.

824
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: Why is that important? Why is it important to not

825
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: just know that you should think through these things, but

826
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: actually have specific phrases tied to each part of this

827
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: process and to go through that in your mind or

828
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: whisper them to yourself as you go through process. Why

829
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: is that important to do? And why did that help

830
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: me so much? More to that, your subconscious is constantly

831
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: working against you. It's very strong. It's your central nervous system.

832
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: It is what has kept you alive to this point

833
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: in your life. It has kept you from falling off

834
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: of cliffs and jumping off of cliffs and doing all

835
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: kinds of crazy stuff. So if you don't verbalize it right,

836
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: words are nothing more than attentional cues. And when you

837
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: speak a mantra or whatever it may be, you create

838
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: an attention bridge right between your brain and your muscles.

839
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,479
Speaker 1: And so if you don't talk, you're not sending any

840
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: cars across the bridge, and the bridge breaks right because

841
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 1: there is no connection. And so in speaking, it's very

842
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: important to actually say things. And when you verbalize a decision,

843
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: then it really intensifies your presence. And that's what was lacking,

844
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: right If you just think you know you should do it,

845
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: but you don't, the subconscious is going to override that

846
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: every single time. So I mean literally, you are doing

847
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: the conscious overright of your central nervous system. And unless,

848
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: and that only comes from conscious decisions, like thinking about

849
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 1: jumping off a cliff into water. You got your toesies

850
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: hanging over the edge, You're not gonna jump. If you're

851
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: thinking about the future, like I don't know if that

852
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 1: water is deep enough, You'll never jump at that point.

853
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: It's not until you bring yourself in and go here

854
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: I go then and only then can you do a

855
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 1: movement that will cause cause your body impact. You know,

856
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: another kind of analogy for what I feel like a

857
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: few of these decisions inflection points was like for me

858
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: was speed bumps one thing. But another I think way

859
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: to describe would be like a splash of water in

860
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: the face. Like when when I had to now say,

861
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: at the beginning, when I was gonna shoot what I said,

862
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: I stood up to a step up to the line

863
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: and said, all right, no matter what, and that was

864
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: this splash of water in my face, saying, wake up,

865
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: you are in control. This is gonna go your way.

866
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: This is not going to be the auto the autopilot

867
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: that happens on every other shot you've taken the past.

868
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: So you get that first splash of water, and you're

869
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: going through that, you're minding yourself. And then we get

870
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: to that next one, that next big one, the critical second,

871
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: and this is where I'm here. I go, sid I've

872
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: gotten very good at I can put that pin on

873
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: and just let it float and just let it be there.

874
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: I felt comfortable with that, but then it's now that

875
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: next point, and here's the next splash of water in

876
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: the face. Here you go, and you're in control of

877
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: this next move, and that it seems so easy when

878
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: you say it, like just won't you're talking about it,

879
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: But it's so much harder in the moment when, like

880
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: you've said, your subconscious mind wants to do this other

881
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: thing like splash of water like shakes you out of it. Right,

882
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: Like you said that when we were shooting down at

883
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: the range there, you said that you could still hear

884
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: that voice, like like sending the grandstand a hundred yards away.

885
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: I definitely had those periods where I would I could,

886
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: I could hear like almost physically have this like other

887
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: person in my ear, Like the urge was physical urge.

888
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to go back and do that same thing.

889
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: But one of the things you had told me to do,

890
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: which has helped. And I still I am not getting

891
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: it perfect all the time throughout the day, but I

892
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: but I kept trying to pull myself back because you

893
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: would say, use that here I go or here you

894
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: go phrase to like sweep sweep back the recept But

895
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: so when when I felt like, I gosh, they're whispered

896
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: to me or they're yelling at me from the back,

897
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: I nope, alright, reset, al right, here we go and

898
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: then you're back at it, and then it brings you

899
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: to that resept, back to square one, and then back

900
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: into that next move where you said you have to

901
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: shout out the you gotta shout out the hecklers. So

902
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: the hecklers are making noise. I've got this part of

903
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: me that wants to go, go, go, go go. And

904
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: you said you need to talk to yourself louder than

905
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: the hecklers. And you know, we talked through using the word,

906
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: you know, just keep pulling, keep pulling, keep pulling. You

907
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: had a very specific way, and this is something I

908
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: still keep working on because I found myself naturally wanted

909
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: say pull, pull, pull, and you told me that was

910
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: not ideal to use that kind of phrase or speed.

911
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: When we have some kind of mantra for our triggering squeezing,

912
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 1: pulling back that final triggering sequence of the move, why

913
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: do the words and the cadence or speed matter, Like,

914
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: what's the ideal way to do that? So what you

915
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: say is what will move? Right, So if you're saying pull,

916
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: there's already a connection between that word and specific muscle

917
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: groups and motor programs. So if you squeeze, that has

918
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: to do with whole hand manipulation right there, pulling, which

919
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: you know hopefully you're doing that by opening your chest

920
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: to increase that pressure on that trigger. There's rolling right

921
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: roll on the hinge. What you say is what will move.

922
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: How you speak is how you move. So if you

923
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: get into like let's say, we're gonna use the word pull.

924
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: So for an index finger trigger, this is very handy, right,

925
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: so you re you reach deep around the trigger, get

926
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: it in the middle failing, so your finger get around that.

927
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: Other fingers are off the release. Here I go keep pulling,

928
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: keeple and keep pull and keep pulling. It's very rhythmic, right,

929
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: and it doesn't have an end to it. Or we

930
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: can stretch a word pull and you hear how it

931
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: goes up. Right. If you use the word pull as itself,

932
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: pull pull, pull, pull pull, you get incremental movement, and

933
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: there are gaps in between the polls, and your subconscious

934
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: is always looking for gap. It's always looking for blank

935
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 1: spaces in your shot, because it will fill the blank

936
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: spaces with automatic movements because that's what it wants to do.

937
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 1: It's it's ultimate goal is to brace you for impact.

938
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: And that's you know, like the core problem shooting. Your

939
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: subconscious mind will not allow you to cause your body

940
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: impact as a surprise. It's just not how we're wired. Man.

941
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: So what you say is what will move. How you

942
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: speak is how you will move. So your movement. If

943
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: you need to fix a movement, you first have to

944
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: fix your speech pattern. Right Like if I was ever

945
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: tell you slow down, Mark, But I don't tell you

946
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: how to do that. What are you gonna do? First

947
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: thing you have to do is you have to speak slower.

948
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: I have to slow your rhythm down of your speech

949
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: because they are linked. Your speech and your movement are linked.

950
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: So so I now knew what I was supposed to do, right,

951
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: I know, I've got a series of decisions in a

952
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 1: series of phrase is is that have to be inserted

953
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: into my shot process. So I stepped to the line

954
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: and get ready, sorry, no matter what, and I started

955
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: drawing back. I'm going to do this, right, That's what

956
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: I would say. I anchored and dropped the pin on there.

957
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: Now it's just floating, and I just let that float.

958
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: And then when I was ready, I'd say, all right,

959
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: here we go, and at that point, keep pulling, keep pulling,

960
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: keep pulling, and breaks. That was what I knew I

961
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: had to do. We talked it through. I cognitively knew it.

962
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: How how can you describe to me what we did

963
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: to help shift that from just a cognitive understanding to

964
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: then it being a physical thing I was doing and

965
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: actually implementing this. You know, what do we do physically?

966
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: When you took me out behind your house and walked

967
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 1: through that, what were the things you were looking for?

968
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: What were the things that you know you saw me

969
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: doing wrong or right? Um? Because it's one thing to

970
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: hear this stuff and say okay, I have to do

971
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: that and that. It's a different thing to actually put

972
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: it in action. It only took you a few times

973
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,959
Speaker 1: to write your signature perfectly, so I know from that

974
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: you're a good decision maker. So it was from the

975
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: first shot you didn't punch the trigger. I haven't seen

976
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: you punch the trigger since or or lesson, right, so,

977
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 1: and I don't expect to. As long as you decide

978
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: to control it, you will control it now. So I

979
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: saw it in the first shot where after the after

980
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: our our talk, you hooked into that trigger. You started

981
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: pulling and you even verbalized your you verbalize them out loud, right,

982
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: and then I made you stop talking out loud, because

983
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: that's not what you're gonna do when there's a big

984
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: buck there, right. And Plus, when you speak out loud,

985
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: you're using air, you're dispelling air, so you'll run out

986
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: of air much more quickly in your shot. That's why

987
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: this has to be an internal dialogue, and so you

988
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: have to get good at speaking inside your head. And

989
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: so the application of it was completely on you, right,

990
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: And if I have, like if you wouldn't make the

991
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: decision to do it, like if you kept punching the trigger,

992
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: I would then put you on attention activated release, and

993
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: it's probably not going to go off. I'd screw that

994
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: sucker down to where it wouldn't go off. I'd hand

995
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: it to you, and you already know how to work

996
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: that type of a trigger, so it wouldn't have to

997
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: explain it to you. But you'd push that safety and

998
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: you draw back and you let the safety off, and

999
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: you'd start pulling it, and I would see the exact

1000
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: moment where you go open loop, and i'd see a

1001
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: big old huck and chuck there, right. It would be

1002
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: It's fairly dramatic when it happens. And then we would

1003
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: I would have you blueprint that. What were you thinking

1004
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: about after here I go? And you would say, well,

1005
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: I was thinking about when this happens a lot with folks. Well,

1006
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: I was thinking about pulling, But then I thought, man,

1007
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: when is this thing going to go on? And that

1008
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: is the moment that the autopilot comes in and just

1009
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: trashes the party. Right. Do you think that even though

1010
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: the silver back going to attention wasn't my ultimate final fix,

1011
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 1: do you think the fact that I spent so much

1012
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: time on that has repaired me because it has made

1013
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 1: me better at making this shift because I had that

1014
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 1: kind of stop gap transition phase. It made you better

1015
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 1: only because it got you to let go of the aim.

1016
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: And that's what that taught you. It got you to

1017
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: let go of the aim, which was obviously a very

1018
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: positive thing. But if I would have if you would

1019
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: have gone back to an index finger trigger without this instruction,

1020
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: you would eventually start punching the crap out of that thing.

1021
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: It happens to every single person unless you decide not

1022
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: to and knowing what decisions you're gonna make, when you're

1023
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,479
Speaker 1: gonna make them, and how to carry him out. That's

1024
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: what you learned today. And that's how we removed the mystery.

1025
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: So then so then keep keep keep walking me through

1026
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: some of the things we're doing there in person. Then

1027
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: so how do we start practicing this in a way

1028
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: that both put some pressure into the system to test

1029
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: like things steaks can can you walk me through a

1030
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: few of those things? So the first thing you're watching,

1031
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: The first thing I did is I took one of

1032
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: your arrows and I started slapping you in the stomach

1033
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: with it right where you're a full draw. And then

1034
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: I started hitting at the brim of your hat and

1035
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: causing you two it's pretty intense blinking right, and you're

1036
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,919
Speaker 1: a rock star, right. You stayed in it. And that's

1037
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: how I get you reps in bringing your mind back

1038
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: to where it needs to be. Because I will cause

1039
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: a distraction and your mind, your conscious mind will go

1040
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: to the distraction, your release movement will instantly stop, and

1041
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: then they keep going with it. Maybe it's slapping your

1042
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 1: head like with with Beaumar, it was it was pouring

1043
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: water over his head, right, a bigallon bucket of water

1044
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: while he's a full draw. And so anything that I

1045
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: did to you after our lesson made you stronger because

1046
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: your little f you turner factor went went up, right,

1047
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 1: your watch, this factor went up, so you've you've felt

1048
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,439
Speaker 1: the distraction and then you're like, nope, I don't care

1049
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 1: what he's doing and hopefully I'm I'm thinking that you

1050
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: talked than the stress that was coming in. Yeah, I

1051
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 1: felt like that was one of the most powerful things.

1052
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: Like I almost wish that I could have someone with

1053
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: me all the time just trying to tap me on

1054
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: the head and do that kind of stuff, because that

1055
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: really really forced me into it, and like you said,

1056
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: it made my my inside voice have to scream louder,

1057
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: and that that struggle to get that control made it

1058
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: stronger for the rest of the time. And that's you know,

1059
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: that is the skill. The skill is not hitting the target.

1060
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: The skill is putting your mind where it needs to be.

1061
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: And that's why you do these drills like standing on

1062
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: one foot and shooting as we talked to talk about

1063
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: that one because that was crazy. Yeah, So I had

1064
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: you draw back and aim and then lift that foot up.

1065
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: So now your mind is going from the aim which

1066
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 1: is now huge, the range of your pin is now huge, right,

1067
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: and then it goes to balance and then you got

1068
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: to snatch it away from that and put it back

1069
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: into your movement, and then it leaves that movement because

1070
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 1: it goes back into the aim, and then it goes

1071
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: into balance and then you snatch it back right. So

1072
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: you get massive reps in bringing your mind back when

1073
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: you stand on one foot and shoot. It was incredible drill. Yeah,

1074
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: it's awesome. We've done that with some some pretty high

1075
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: level folks and I can't believe I actually I didn't

1076
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: do too bad. Thought I was gonna I was gonna

1077
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: be god awful. Fifty shots, like fifty yards and you

1078
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: put them on the tin ring of that cariboo target.

1079
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: Ye old me shooting fifty yards with both feet plane.

1080
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: It would have been like, well this, hopefully it'll go okay.

1081
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: But on one ft, you know, and old you with

1082
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: an index finger trigger, old you would have punched the

1083
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: trigger when your pin was on, and there's no way

1084
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: that it would have went where you thought it was

1085
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: going to go. And man, those days, I can tell

1086
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: you so many times four years ago where I'd be

1087
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: lining up to go shoot at a camp with a

1088
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: bunch of people, or I'd be going back behind the

1089
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: house with a bunch of friends and we'd be shooting

1090
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: and I'd have this like tight chest feeling like oh gosh,

1091
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,959
Speaker 1: and then yeah, like it just it wasn't even fun

1092
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: anymore because I just was nervous. You're gonna pull one eye,

1093
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: You're gonna screw this up. And yeah, as soon as

1094
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: that pain would get on the target, Pam, there it goes,

1095
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: and plenty of them would go fine, but then you

1096
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: have plenty that would go off, and the whole time

1097
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: you've got this underlying anxiety. And this is this has

1098
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: been like a The last couple of years have been

1099
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: better forcing myself to have a mechanical slowdown and now

1100
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: here today. I mean, I did so much better than

1101
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: I thought would be possible, given that these these relatively

1102
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: simple steps to take back control. Um, it's very specific

1103
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: and like I always say, it's literally life changing because

1104
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: mankind has been looking for the answers to these questions

1105
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: for you know, centuries, literally, and and that that may

1106
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: be an arrogant statement, but I read everything there was

1107
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: to read about target panic. I watched every video that's

1108
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: ever been put out about Target, as most people have.

1109
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: Because we're looking for a solution that works for us.

1110
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: We're looking for instruction. Oh, I hope that works for us.

1111
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: And the first thing I will tell you is there

1112
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: is no instruction in shooting that works for you, because

1113
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:19,919
Speaker 1: your central nervous system says, nay, right, it's not gonna

1114
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: There is no such thing as instruction that works for you.

1115
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: There is a release that you can evaluate better than

1116
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: another release, but it doesn't work any better for you.

1117
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: It's just a hunk of metal. It doesn't make any

1118
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: decisions for you. Right, So these true skills of decision making.

1119
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: Finding your determination is first. I can't teach you that.

1120
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: I can help you find it right through ridicule or

1121
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: maybe physical exertion, where I always tell people, you're gonna

1122
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: have to hate me a little bit, right, It's got

1123
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: to be temporary, but you're gonna have to hate me

1124
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: a little bit so that you go no, turner, I

1125
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: ain't going out like that, watch this, right. So finding

1126
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: that determination first and then turning that determination into conscious decisions.

1127
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: The decisions increase your presence. Once you are present enough,

1128
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: then and only then can you concentrate. And learning how

1129
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: to concentrate in all those things. Those are the true

1130
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: skills that we've been looking for, and it is very

1131
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: powerful stuff. I love teaching this stuff, man. So so

1132
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: we did the balancing on one foot drill. We did

1133
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: the you being there with me hitting me on the

1134
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: head and poking me and prodding me and yelling at

1135
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: me and saying stuff like that. That was one thing.

1136
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: What are some you mentioned a handful of other drills

1137
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: that I could try at home on my own. Um,

1138
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: could you walk me through a couple other things people

1139
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: could do if they if they are trying to do

1140
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: this and now they want to, you know, have some

1141
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: kind of additional challenge or higher stakes to to somewhat

1142
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: simulate the challenge of a high intensity shot moment. So

1143
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: one of the things that I do, and I learned

1144
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: this from Dan's stating it elk shape, was this stress

1145
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: shooting test where I will just go out and stick

1146
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: three arrows in the ground, usually ones around forty, ones

1147
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: around at twenty let's say, and you know, make it

1148
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: whatever you want, I don't care. And you start at

1149
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: the first arrow, bow in hand, and you run to

1150
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: a designated place like I have a fence. That's the

1151
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: total runs about maybe a hundred and twenty yards, I guess.

1152
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: So I'll sprint to the fence. I'll sprint back to

1153
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: that first arrow. Now I'm breathing a little hard. So

1154
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: now I've got to gather myself up and make this

1155
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: forty or fifty yard shot with my stickbow. So you know,

1156
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: your chest is heaven a little bit. You're not totally

1157
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: gas at this point, depending on your physical fitness level.

1158
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: And then uh so you shoot that shot right, and

1159
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: then you take off and you run to the fence again.

1160
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: Then you run to the next arrow, and the next

1161
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: arrow you have to do thirty air squads. So you

1162
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: do thirty air squads. Now your legs are burning a

1163
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: bit and you're huffing and puffing a bit more. So

1164
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: we have to learn to shoot on a breath, because

1165
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: if we're breathing during our shooting, we're gonna have way

1166
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: too much site movement. It's gonna draw your conscious mind.

1167
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: So now you've got to just kind of suck it

1168
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: up and you just stop that one breath and you

1169
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: shoot that shot. Now you run back to the fence,

1170
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: you run back up to that third arrow, and now

1171
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: you do thirty lunges. Right. Um, so you do thirty

1172
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: lunges and then you shoot that arrow. So it's just

1173
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: it's getting a simulation of the fact that you can

1174
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: never take the same body with you to the line, right,

1175
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: You don't have control over the physiological changes that happened

1176
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: to you. When you go, oh my god, this is

1177
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: gonna happen, right, And so that's when you get that

1178
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: microburst of adrenaline. All these things happen, and that's when

1179
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: we have to remain cognitive. And so you know, depending

1180
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: on what you want to do for physical fitness, that's

1181
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: a drill that I try to do, you know, at

1182
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: least twice a week. And it doesn't you know, I'm

1183
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: to the point now where I seek stress so much

1184
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: that it doesn't you know, that doesn't really do I

1185
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: do it just more to stay in shape. Right. Uh.

1186
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: You can have your kids wrap themselves around your legs, right,

1187
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: you can, right, I mean, have them if you give

1188
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: them permission to mess with you, they're gonna mess with you, right,

1189
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: and you've got to use it to make you stronger.

1190
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: Have them push on your on your waist so it

1191
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: moves your body in big movements. And then like wind, right,

1192
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: go and shoot in the wind. Learn how to hold

1193
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,479
Speaker 1: off in the wind. Learn what a new a new

1194
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: center looks like, meaning you know, if you've got a

1195
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: massive wind coming ninety degrees, you're the middle of the

1196
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: target is not your ex anymore. You may have to

1197
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: hold in the nine ring on a centi in your face,

1198
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: or you may have to hold back a little bit

1199
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: in the guts. You may have to hold up on

1200
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: the shoulder of that deer. Now that's your new center.

1201
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: Once you pick your site picture, that's your site picture.

1202
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,439
Speaker 1: It's always gonna dance back to that X. Right, So

1203
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: any of these things we can do, Like we went

1204
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: and shot extreme ranges. I mean, I watched you dump

1205
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: one dead center at seventy seven yards today, Right, you

1206
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: learned about pin stacking today and how to actually do it,

1207
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: and how to account for bigger gaps at longer ranges

1208
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: and these things. So you learned all kinds of things.

1209
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 1: But it was the main thing is it's just another aim.

1210
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people tell me, man, I'm

1211
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: good at about fifteen and stickbow A lot of times.

1212
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm really good out to fifteen, but man, you get

1213
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: me to sixteen twenty yards, I'm a mess. Like why

1214
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: is that? It's no different in the shot. It's just

1215
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: a different aim, right, And the closer especially for traditional archers,

1216
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: the closer their point gets to the target their point

1217
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: on distance, the more anxiety because now they know there's

1218
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: no question that they're on or they're not right. So

1219
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: now they see that they're locked off the target, it

1220
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: just it's a downward spiral. It's a nightmare. And it's

1221
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: the same thing in the comp found with people they

1222
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: are locked off target there. Yeah, and going to these

1223
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: longer ranges. I remember old me, I knew I should

1224
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: shoot longer range to practice at that, and I knew

1225
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: that if you practice more longer ranges, it will make

1226
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: the shorter ranges easier. Um, so I did some of that.

1227
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't stretch out this far, but I

1228
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: would shoot, you know, sixty you know, I think I

1229
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: had a little corner I could shoot maybe sixty five,

1230
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: and so I would do that. But I certainly remember

1231
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: being stressed about, you know, losing arrows and if that

1232
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: if that pin was waving off of it all. I

1233
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: always remember think, gosh, I'm moving so much and you know,

1234
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: still in that trigger punching phase, you know. So that

1235
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: was just like anxiety inducing and there's no way I

1236
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: could trust that even if my pins going here and

1237
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: there they could possibly find center. But you know, I've

1238
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: slowly been getting better letting it float, and then today

1239
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: doing what we did going through this process. Now we're

1240
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: stretching out seventy seven yards, ninety yards, a hundred yards.

1241
01:05:56,280 --> 01:06:00,040
Speaker 1: I've never ever shot those far that far before, and

1242
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: and just trusting that I I had no anxiety about

1243
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: letting float anymore, about letting it I mean big movements,

1244
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: and I was just in, you know, just that for

1245
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: that process, and I just got it generally on there

1246
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: and then just focused on making the you know, going

1247
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: through that movement, and then somehow, by magic, these things

1248
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: generally zero into the right right spot. It's it's it's wild.

1249
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: It really you cannot consciously aim better than you can

1250
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: subconsciously aim. I mean you could. A drill you can

1251
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: do is just you know, grab a pen, put it up,

1252
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: put it on something on the wall, holding a full

1253
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 1: extension with the writing tip up, and watch it dance

1254
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: right no matter which way it moves. This next movement

1255
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: is back to the center. But for some personalities that's

1256
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: very difficult to let go of. Right. If you get

1257
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: a very analytical mind that likes to control things, they

1258
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: have trouble letting that go. And literally, my job as

1259
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: the instructor is to get you to the realization that

1260
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: you don't have control over it, no matter how much

1261
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: you want to concentrate on it or what. And if

1262
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: you put concentration in it, you're going open loop on

1263
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: the trigger. That's not my opinion, that's just how we're wired.

1264
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 1: So you mentioned all these drills. One drill that you

1265
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: didn't mention that gets brought up a whole lot when

1266
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: people talk about target panic issues is blind bailing shooting

1267
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,919
Speaker 1: into a bail. Yeah, why don't you recommend that so much?

1268
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 1: It's not that I don't recommend it. I just I

1269
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: know it's factual that there is no transfer of that

1270
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: physical feeling from that shot to an actual aimed shot.

1271
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 1: So people will draw back on a blank bail and

1272
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: because they're not aiming at anything, or maybe they have

1273
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: their eyes closed, the timing mechanism for your pre ignition

1274
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:06,919
Speaker 1: movements is now shut off. So therefore you are much

1275
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 1: more free to concentrate on certain aspects of your shot.

1276
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: Like you'll find it's much easier to pull through a

1277
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: shot when you have your eyes closed because you completely

1278
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 1: shut off the subconscious that's screaming at you to let

1279
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: it go when the pin is on. So but if

1280
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 1: we took a blank bail shot and you blueprinted it

1281
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: like you do with your aim shot. If you drew

1282
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:33,480
Speaker 1: back an aim on a blank bail and you ran perfection,

1283
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 1: I mean, everything is perfect and you feel in that

1284
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 1: movement everything is going right, and pah, the shot breaks

1285
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: as a surprise, and then you blueprint that. What am

1286
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,679
Speaker 1: I thinking after here I go? What am I saying

1287
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: after here I go? Could I have stopped it? What

1288
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: decisions did I make? Right? You can see how that

1289
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:53,560
Speaker 1: gets very mundane. But people will go, man, my instructor

1290
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 1: told me to do six months of blank bailce so

1291
01:08:55,840 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 1: I shot whatever ten thousand arrows blank bail and then

1292
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: go to a tournament and it all goes down the tube, right,

1293
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:05,679
Speaker 1: because now you have a pin on the target that's

1294
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: screaming at you to let it go. And if you

1295
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: never practice the conscious override, it's gonna completely destroy you.

1296
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 1: So you wasted six months of your life on a

1297
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: blank bail when you didn't need to. So you know,

1298
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: your blank bail shot should feel exactly like your or

1299
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,719
Speaker 1: your aim shot should feel exactly like your blank bail shot.

1300
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: Now you just add the aim to it, because now

1301
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 1: the aim means nothing to you. Just get it done

1302
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: and watch it to keep it. And that's how you

1303
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: can transfer some of that. But I don't recommend people

1304
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 1: do blank bailing to fix target panic. That it has

1305
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: nothing to do with target panic. So you're not going

1306
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: to fix it that way, even though you know instructors

1307
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,480
Speaker 1: in the last few decades have recommended that that's completely

1308
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 1: been debunked. So why why is it that we keep

1309
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: hearing people tell us that we need to make stuff

1310
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 1: the muscle memory? How can people keep on saying we's

1311
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: got to make it? What led us to this point

1312
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: where everyone has been talking about doing this in such

1313
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 1: a contrary way to what seems to actually work. I mean,

1314
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: growing up I had I had no real instruction. My

1315
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 1: dad and I kind of learned together. Um, but then

1316
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 1: whenever you did hear someone talking about it, so many

1317
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: folks you just got to make it automatic. He's want

1318
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: we must practice so much that you don't even need

1319
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 1: to think about it, That that's this thing. You want

1320
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: to do it so much and so often you don't

1321
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: even need to think about it. How do we get

1322
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: to this place? Well, when you think about that instruction,

1323
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: you know when the person that gave that instruction, if

1324
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: they would have actually analyzed how they control their shot,

1325
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: you would notice a few things. Right. Number one, you

1326
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: would notice that they talk during their shot. That has

1327
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: been a pattern of success throughout the decades. All the people,

1328
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:59,560
Speaker 1: the successful snipers, rifle hunters, bow hunters, successful shooters in

1329
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 1: high stress events, they all say something to themselves during

1330
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 1: their shot, every one of them to a person. They

1331
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 1: all say different stuff, but they all say something. And

1332
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 1: so the person that gave that instruction so many years ago,

1333
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 1: they were probably a really good shooter, but they did

1334
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: not understand how they did what they did so and

1335
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: they never really analyzed it because maybe they're a natural

1336
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 1: born decision maker. And that's where the kicker was because

1337
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 1: people thought they were natural born shooters. And I want

1338
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: to be like this person, right, so what do you do?

1339
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 1: You don't ask them what do you think about when

1340
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 1: you shoot? You asked them what boat do you shoot?

1341
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 1: What release do you shoot? What errors do you shoot? Right?

1342
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 1: I mean you very few people are going to walk

1343
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 1: up to Levi Morgan and say, Mr Morgan, what's going

1344
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: through your head at full draw, right, And the answers

1345
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 1: that you will get when you talk to a lot

1346
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: of pros is they really don't know how they do

1347
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: what they do. And that's that's the beauty of shot

1348
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 1: I Q because I came from a horrible place in shooting, right,

1349
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 1: so I built this from ground zero. There was I

1350
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,839
Speaker 1: was not a good shot growing up. I was horrible

1351
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 1: locked five feet off of a target right, shooting over

1352
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 1: the back of so many elk could make your head spin.

1353
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 1: But you know, figuring out and going through the trenches

1354
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: on this stuff and really figuring out that's that's what

1355
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 1: makes me a good instructor because I know what you're

1356
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: going through. I've been there, right. And you may talk

1357
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 1: to an Olympic level coach and they never get to

1358
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: deal with people that are in extreme target panic because

1359
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: if you had extreme target panic, you never reached the

1360
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 1: Olympic level coach. Right. And Plus with those coaches you're

1361
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 1: dealing with if they're shooting a recurve, they're shooting a

1362
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 1: mechanical receptive trigger, right, they're shooting a clicker. So, uh,

1363
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 1: there's this. It was always a mystery and they always thought,

1364
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 1: think it's form base. Well, you can fix target panic

1365
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: with form. Well, there are things you can do with

1366
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: form to give yourself a better holding position that makes

1367
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 1: it not so strenuous on the body, therefore more calm. Therefore,

1368
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,639
Speaker 1: now we are free to think about some other things. So, yeah,

1369
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 1: there are certain form aspects that can help, but I

1370
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 1: would much rather gain control of the shot, complete mental

1371
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: control the shot first, and then I plug form aspects

1372
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: into that controlled shot, and that's how we get body turners, right, yeah, yeah,

1373
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 1: geez the prodigy. Um yeah, so so okay, we we

1374
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 1: You talked about how form is of course important, but

1375
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 1: if you don't have the process, it's not going to

1376
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,839
Speaker 1: get you everything. We talked a little bit about releases

1377
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 1: and why you know, having attention released like I was

1378
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 1: using was helpful in a way, but you don't want

1379
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 1: me to be stuck there. So for somebody else who's

1380
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: in a similar place, who's had target panic issues, and

1381
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: who's now trying to now develop a closed loop process

1382
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: and do these things, can you talk a little bit

1383
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 1: about the types of releases that might be good for

1384
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 1: this this new world I'm living in now, what your

1385
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: recommendations would be, or what we should or should not

1386
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: look into. Yeah, so when you now that you know

1387
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 1: about closed loopwork and how to evaluate a movement, what

1388
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: you're looking for in a release is one that you

1389
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,759
Speaker 1: can set the spring tension. Now, this is key because

1390
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: there's a lot of releases out there that don't have

1391
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,679
Speaker 1: any spring in them. So the only thing you can

1392
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: adjust is travel, and that's not necessarily the best thing. Right,

1393
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: you want to be able to adjust spring tension so

1394
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 1: that you can climb into it. Can you define these

1395
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 1: two things for someone who maybe doesn't know how What

1396
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: does travel and spring tension do in the release itself? Right? So,

1397
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 1: travel is how much seer engagement there is, so how

1398
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 1: much the trigger has to move before it can go off.

1399
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: And there are certain sear systems out there, which is

1400
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 1: the internal parts too hard services that are pulled apart

1401
01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 1: until there's no more purchase. So there are certain SEO

1402
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: systems out there and releases that have been around for

1403
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: a long time and they're very robust, but they're very

1404
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 1: difficult to evaluate because the travel is so far on

1405
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 1: in your mind's like, oh it's about to go off,

1406
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I felt that, right. Most people never

1407
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 1: feel to travel in their release because they go open

1408
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 1: loop on it, right. But when you're truly able to

1409
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 1: go close loop, then you understand that you want a

1410
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 1: release that you can set harder spring tension so you

1411
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 1: can climb in with no anxiety that's going to go off.

1412
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 1: So you can set a very hard initial pressure and

1413
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 1: then you make that decision. Here I go. And then

1414
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 1: when you're moving, you have to remember that the initial

1415
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 1: movement on the triggers not to make it go off.

1416
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 1: It's just to set the speed limit. Right, So we

1417
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 1: start into that movement very slowly. We're pressing on the

1418
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 1: gas nice and easy. We're seeing the speedometer come up,

1419
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,719
Speaker 1: and then when we get to the speed that we want,

1420
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: we hit that cruise control button and then you just

1421
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 1: stay in that speed until it goes off. And so

1422
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 1: getting a release that you can put enough pressure on

1423
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 1: to do that and the movement is long enough that

1424
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: you can evaluate it right, so be that in the

1425
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 1: next finger trigger a thumb button a hinge. There's there's

1426
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 1: lots of good releases on the market today, but that's

1427
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 1: what you're looking for. When you learn how to go

1428
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 1: closed loop, you're gonna really feel like if you've got

1429
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 1: a fairly cheap release, you're gonna feel the trigger system

1430
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, so SOCA. So probably the first for

1431
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 1: ten years of shooting a bow and bow hunting again

1432
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 1: with with zero zero expert you know, opinions are input

1433
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 1: on this. I was probably shooting like the forty five

1434
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: dollar Hurricane or whatever, something that you know, you pull

1435
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,759
Speaker 1: the trigger down and opens up the springs, back clothes

1436
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: and those kinds of things. Probably a lot of new

1437
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,640
Speaker 1: bow hunters start with something like that. So can you

1438
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: tell me what what you get when you try to

1439
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 1: do what we're talking about, But you're using that. So

1440
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:00,919
Speaker 1: when people bring those to my clinic, it's a beautiful

1441
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 1: thing because it's the hardest work that your mind is

1442
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: gonna do. Right. So when when I put you in

1443
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 1: that index finger trigger, that's a good quality one that

1444
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 1: has no travel, right, you can't feel any travel in that,

1445
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:14,719
Speaker 1: and you can set your finger on it. Really hard

1446
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 1: when somebody has to work through all that nastiness and travel, right,

1447
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 1: and they're hearing the release ping and ding and and

1448
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 1: you can feel the birds in the sea and all

1449
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 1: the right super squishy nastiness, that's the best release they

1450
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 1: could bring. Yeah, because if you can work yourself through that.

1451
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: You can work yourself through anything, bro right. So I

1452
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: have them they're like, well, this is my release they

1453
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: brought like perfect, right, and then once they gain control

1454
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: that nasty thing, then I let them experience what a

1455
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:53,440
Speaker 1: good release feels like. And then then the world is there.

1456
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 1: So is that actually something you would recommend, like for

1457
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 1: someone who's who who knows they have this problem and

1458
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 1: they have to they want to tear down and start

1459
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 1: back up? Should they? If they don't need to have

1460
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 1: one of those credit ones? Start this with one, try

1461
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 1: to figure it out. You could. Um, I don't necessarily

1462
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 1: recommend it, but if if you do bring one of those,

1463
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,799
Speaker 1: if you bring one to a shot i Q clinic,

1464
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 1: you're not going to be looked down upon. You're gonna

1465
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 1: be gone. Yep, this will help. Let's see if you

1466
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 1: can do this one tough guy? Right? So so okay,

1467
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,640
Speaker 1: So then still on the releases, and you look at

1468
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 1: all the different things you can spend money on with

1469
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 1: them all there's a lot of different accessories and pieces

1470
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: of gear and the bow itself and there's there's all

1471
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 1: these different variables. If I'm relatively new and I'm trying

1472
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:39,600
Speaker 1: to pick and choose what I spend my money on.

1473
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 1: Is the release one of the things that should spend

1474
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 1: the extra money on to get one of those higher dollar,

1475
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: better quality pieces, for sure, absolutely, And again you're looking

1476
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 1: for that. You know, you're looking for a trigger you

1477
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 1: can set spring tension in and you can set travel

1478
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 1: and you know there'll be certain places that you can

1479
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,480
Speaker 1: look for those screws and if they have that adjustment,

1480
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 1: and hopefully the bow shop will allow you to try.

1481
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 1: I'm just on a string bow or whatever, but you

1482
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: should be able to wrap your finger around that thing

1483
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 1: or wrap your thumb around it, and work that thing

1484
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: slow en if you could stop it, and you should

1485
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:15,640
Speaker 1: not feel any travel right, and it also shouldn't be

1486
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 1: so light that you're just trying to be dainty with it.

1487
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: You want to kind of handle these things right and

1488
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 1: wrap your finger around it deep, put it in between

1489
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: those first food knuckles that you got there, and then

1490
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 1: work and see if you can evaluate that movement. Okay,

1491
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 1: So for this person, we've asked them to spend an

1492
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 1: extra I don't know, extra hundred bucks or something on

1493
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 1: the release. Is there anything on your bow system that

1494
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 1: you could say, hey, it's would be okay to buy

1495
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 1: a hundred dollar cheaper of this, or a little bit

1496
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: cheaper than. I mean, this is kind of off topic,

1497
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: but I'm curious if you were going to sacrifice somewhere

1498
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 1: and buy more entry level something. Is there anything that

1499
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,719
Speaker 1: comes to mind that you'd be willing to sacrifice on. Uh?

1500
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 1: If I had to sacrifice, who would be in the

1501
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 1: site system? You know? I mean what you're really looking

1502
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 1: for in the cheaper sites, You're gonna deal with durability

1503
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 1: and what the housing is made out of. But it

1504
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 1: still has the pins, the basic function. Yeah, it still

1505
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 1: has the basic function of a bow site. So when

1506
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:15,680
Speaker 1: you get into more hired dollar, you get into more

1507
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 1: screws and third access and the second access and all

1508
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 1: this stuff, and which is all very good. But if

1509
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 1: you know, once you gain control of your release, then

1510
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 1: the world is yours. The world is not yours if

1511
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 1: you just buy a better boast, right, you know, speaking

1512
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 1: of like third access and all these different things. We

1513
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: shot a ton today, I mean, more than I've shot

1514
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 1: in one day, probably my entire life. Okay, Um, I've

1515
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: never done a full day like this. Um. Took a

1516
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 1: lot of shots, and not once did you tell me

1517
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 1: to change something with how I was canting my bow,

1518
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: or was I leveling my bow, or was I pulling

1519
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 1: my arm just right, or was I there was a

1520
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 1: little bit of grip feedback, but other than that, almost

1521
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 1: zero discussion around those types of things. But just by

1522
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 1: implementing this process, shooting pretty darn good and not once

1523
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 1: did I worry about any of these other things. Is

1524
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 1: that because so much of our success as archers is

1525
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,719
Speaker 1: because of this one simple thing, which is getting control.

1526
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 1: Or is it because I already had those kind of

1527
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 1: basics figured out and I was doing most of that

1528
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 1: stuff good enough. Well, your form, your form is not bad.

1529
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 1: There was a couple of times today when I saw

1530
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 1: you your bow is canad a bit right and your

1531
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 1: bubble level is not in the middle, But that was

1532
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 1: not my concern today. My concern was you doing your job,

1533
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 1: and your job was to move the trigger slow enough

1534
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 1: you could stop it. And once you do that again,

1535
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 1: once you gain control, the world is yours. Now you

1536
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: adjust your third access on your site, because you can't

1537
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 1: even zero your bow until you gain control of your release,

1538
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 1: because otherwise you're zeroing it to which trigger punch, You're

1539
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 1: zering it to pre ignition movements, and you don't know

1540
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 1: which one is coming, right, So are you gonna grab

1541
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 1: the bow this time? You're gonna collapse a little bit.

1542
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 1: Who knows your mind just has a roller dex, and

1543
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 1: I think we'll throw this one in this time. Right.

1544
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 1: But now with control and closed loop movement on that trigger,

1545
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 1: now there are no pre ignition movements. Now we can

1546
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 1: really zero our bow. And now we can figure out

1547
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 1: your bubble and your access is and all these things right,

1548
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 1: and we can figure out your grip again. When you

1549
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 1: gain control, you then plug in other form aspects or

1550
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 1: mechanical aspects, different site, different arrow rest, whatever it may be,

1551
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 1: because now you can start to shoot the difference out

1552
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 1: of things, whereas before, no matter how good your form was,

1553
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 1: it's blown apart by a pre ignition movement, whether you

1554
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:52,639
Speaker 1: like it or not. So we we took another step.

1555
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: We we spend a bunch of time here in the

1556
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 1: back to shooting you and you and me, And then

1557
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 1: it was all right, we're gonna go to a range

1558
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,719
Speaker 1: and we're gonna shoot a competitive course with another friend

1559
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 1: of yours. That's another thing I've never done. Um, walk

1560
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 1: me through why that kind of thing isn't is an

1561
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 1: important kind of stress test, I guess for this, and

1562
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was on purpose, but it's

1563
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 1: served like serve something because again I told you earlier,

1564
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:22,600
Speaker 1: I'd had problems, you know, shooting, you know, pressure situations,

1565
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,759
Speaker 1: right and reverting, and so now all of a sudden

1566
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: I was shooting in front more people I didn't know

1567
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 1: in the setting I wasn't you know, comfortable with, hadn't

1568
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 1: done before. And then also there was a little bit,

1569
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 1: right we're keeping score and all these different things and everything.

1570
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 1: So how does that how does that kind of how

1571
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 1: does that fire sharpened? Iron? Right? So it's all concentration practice.

1572
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:46,839
Speaker 1: You introduce people that you don't know, right, you instantly

1573
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:50,600
Speaker 1: want to impress them. And you saw how Kyle and

1574
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: I were going back and forth just rasing the hell

1575
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 1: out of each other. Right, We do that for purpose

1576
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 1: so that you know, anything I say to him makes

1577
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 1: him stronger. Did you notice that when I would raz him,

1578
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 1: he would buckle down and shoot better? Right, So his

1579
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 1: he has to get to a point where he can

1580
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 1: manufacture that determination when I'm not there. Right, you and

1581
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 1: you as well, you have to be able to manufacture determination.

1582
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 1: And that's it's a lost skill, I'm telling you right.

1583
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 1: So now anything you have to seek that stress in

1584
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 1: your training, you have to seek it, and you're gonna

1585
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 1: get to a point where nothing really rases you and

1586
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:36,640
Speaker 1: then it's only hunting or very high stressed tournaments. Right.

1587
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:39,839
Speaker 1: That's why I shoot Vegas. Vegas is the only tournament

1588
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 1: that makes my legs shake, right, and I enjoy the

1589
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 1: crap out of it because I'm gonna control my shot

1590
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 1: no matter what. I mean, I shoot okay scores at Vegas.

1591
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,719
Speaker 1: They're not incredible, but I'm getting through my meccount receptive

1592
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 1: figure every single time, no matter what. Right, So, and

1593
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 1: that's my goal there. Um, you know with with body,

1594
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: Bodi now has one Vegas. So he he's really good

1595
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:08,759
Speaker 1: at using stress to make him stronger. But that's because

1596
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 1: he knows how to control himself. I mean, he is

1597
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 1: literally screaming inside his head. And the only advice I

1598
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 1: ever give that young man is to keep it moving,

1599
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:23,679
Speaker 1: because I know that if he keeps his release moving,

1600
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 1: his mind is in the release and it's not in

1601
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 1: the aim. It's not in the thousands of people that

1602
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 1: are watching him, It's not anywhere other than that movement.

1603
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 1: You know, even though his pin maybe bouncing off the

1604
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: edges of the yellow, it doesn't matter. It's always going

1605
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 1: back to the middle, you know. But the person next

1606
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 1: to him is worried about their pin movement and that's

1607
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 1: why he will run him over like a theme roller

1608
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:51,839
Speaker 1: every single time. But this is becoming, This is literally

1609
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:56,719
Speaker 1: becoming the norm of archery now, right, This is literally

1610
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 1: a revolution that it's a complete pair dime shift away

1611
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 1: from conscious aiming to subconscious aiming, conscious shot activation. And

1612
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 1: it's not conscious punching, it's consciously moving the trigger slow up.

1613
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 1: You could stop it and exactly how to do that? Yeah,

1614
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 1: So what's next for me? What would you You're you're

1615
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 1: marching orders for me heading into the rest of this year,

1616
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 1: leading into the next hunting season, right on through the

1617
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 1: hunting season. What do I need to do next to

1618
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 1: take that next step or to make this a permanent

1619
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:35,759
Speaker 1: part of me? You need to go shoot with people

1620
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 1: you do not know, and you need to talk a

1621
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 1: little trash, right, So, I mean, literally, hey man, what's

1622
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 1: going on? Hey? Watch this right, and they're gonna look

1623
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 1: down and they're gonna who in the hell is this guy?

1624
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 1: You're like, no, don't look down range. Watch how slow

1625
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 1: I can move this? Right, And you think about the pressure,

1626
01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 1: because now you have to perform. You have to go

1627
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 1: hunt turkeys. You have to shoot as many groundhogs as

1628
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: you can. Right, pretty soon, none of that stuff is

1629
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 1: gonna cause you extress. Then it's dear season, right, you

1630
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 1: have to If you're allowed to shoot ten does, then

1631
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 1: go shoot ten does, right, and donate him to food

1632
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 1: banks or whatever you need to do. But shoot as

1633
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:20,639
Speaker 1: many critters as you can. And then when that big

1634
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:24,639
Speaker 1: buck steps up, it's not gonna be autopilot. Right. It's

1635
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 1: the same process. You get better and better and better

1636
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 1: at it. Like in in twenty nineteen, I killed the

1637
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:34,679
Speaker 1: bowl of my dreams, and that thing when he came around,

1638
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 1: I called him in. He came around this root wad

1639
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 1: at thirty yards and his eyes were literally rolled back

1640
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 1: in his head. And and I'm I'm hiding behind the

1641
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 1: limb of my recurve, and he's walking at me. And

1642
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 1: he stops at ten yards, sticks his antlers in the

1643
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 1: ground and starts throwing mud and sticks and all kinds

1644
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 1: of crap all over the place. And I finally get

1645
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 1: to full draw as soon as I get the full draw.

1646
01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 1: He flips his body perfectly broadside to me at ten

1647
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 1: yards Bull of my dreams, right, and I'm looking down

1648
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:07,720
Speaker 1: the shaft at that arrow, and I'm looking at the

1649
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 1: exact spot where my arrow is going to go, because

1650
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 1: I can see exactly where my arrow is pointed. And

1651
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm looking down the shaft that arrow, and every fiber

1652
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 1: of my being is saying, just let it go, right,

1653
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 1: just let it go. You're gonna kill him, bull your dreams.

1654
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:30,640
Speaker 1: You've waited fourteen years to draw this tag. Here he is.

1655
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 1: Just let it go. And I remember saying to myself, Nope,

1656
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 1: I ain't going out like that, because you see the

1657
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 1: antlers that are in this room where we're standing right now.

1658
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:44,719
Speaker 1: These were all shot with controlled shots. All the ones

1659
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:47,599
Speaker 1: that are uncontrolled don't make it in the house there

1660
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 1: in the bar that right, So this bull is there

1661
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 1: and I'm like, nope, I ain't doing it. And that's

1662
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 1: when I said, here I go, and I start pressing

1663
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:02,759
Speaker 1: on that grips ear and pretty soon pink that thing pops.

1664
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:04,720
Speaker 1: I let the arrow go and it went in the

1665
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 1: exact spot that I wanted to And it means so

1666
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,640
Speaker 1: much to me. It means way more to me to

1667
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 1: stay in the shop process because at that time, in

1668
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, I was still on the swat team, still

1669
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 1: a sniper and all those things, right, So I use

1670
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 1: all of these hunting situations for potential tactical situation right

1671
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:30,679
Speaker 1: where my determination has to be through the roof. So

1672
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 1: it's you know, and vice versa. I used the law

1673
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:36,760
Speaker 1: enforcement determination, the knowledge that I can't screw that up,

1674
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 1: and I use that determination well in my bow hunting.

1675
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 1: So it was really this dichotomy of concentration, these two

1676
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 1: different schools that had to come together. Right, my archery

1677
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 1: help my firearms, and my firearms help my archer. Like

1678
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 1: one of the best things you could do is now

1679
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 1: take that tourist forty four nuclear magnum that you have

1680
01:29:56,840 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 1: right and shoot controlled shots with it. Right, that thing

1681
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:02,760
Speaker 1: in a hundred yards, I mean it's a hundred yard

1682
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 1: gun all day long, right, If you press the trigger

1683
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:09,840
Speaker 1: perfectly right and get big recoil loads for it, right

1684
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 1: and press that trigger slow enough, you could stop it.

1685
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 1: When that nuclear magnum box your bow is gonna seem

1686
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 1: really easy to imagined, right, But but shot anticipation firearms

1687
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 1: is not even close to what it is an archery,

1688
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 1: because an archery, your body is intentioned and you are

1689
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:31,840
Speaker 1: the explosion, right, all that all that energy release is

1690
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 1: gonna be through your body, Whereas in a firearm, the

1691
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 1: recoil is generated from the gun itself, right, So it's different,

1692
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:42,080
Speaker 1: and your body is not intention with the firearm. You're

1693
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 1: not trying to hold this thing apart. You're just trying

1694
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 1: to hold the firearms, right, So it's uh. You know

1695
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:51,599
Speaker 1: when you say iron sharpens iron, you can certainly use

1696
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 1: your archery to help your firearms, and your firearms help

1697
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 1: your archery. That's that's the intention I'm gonna do it.

1698
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:00,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I've had the same problem with with every thing.

1699
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 1: And if I look back honestly on all the deer

1700
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 1: and another big game I've shot over the years, um,

1701
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 1: I could probably honestly tell you only one of them.

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01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 1: Do I actually could? I look back and say I

1703
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 1: think I had some control. I honestly think all the

1704
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 1: rest was autopilot getting me good enough and enough times

1705
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:24,559
Speaker 1: it would work and sometimes things were great and then

1706
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:26,479
Speaker 1: but I have enough of those other times where it

1707
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 1: didn't work out. That to what we talked about earlier,

1708
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 1: I had that just enough is enough. I'm piste off.

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01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 1: I can't good enough isn't good enough anymore? And I

1710
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 1: cannot wait for that first time now where I really

1711
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 1: it's not just well I was better. I want. I

1712
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:46,759
Speaker 1: want to be fully in control and after that shot

1713
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 1: be like, Wow, I actually did it all and had

1714
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 1: the home that'll be I'll be so I'll probably follow

1715
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 1: the tree else. It means so much to be in

1716
01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 1: control because that's what man kind has been trying to

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01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 1: do for a long time. Bro. So when you actually

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01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 1: shoot a shot, it's a controlled shot, doesn't matter what

1719
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 1: the critter is. It will mean so much to you, right,

1720
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 1: it has to mean everything to you. And and people

1721
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 1: say we'll turn your kind of a shot control freak. Well,

1722
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 1: I want to control everything I can because I truly

1723
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 1: believe that the critters deserve that. Right. I'm not going

1724
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:24,720
Speaker 1: to miss a critter because I collapsed or punched my

1725
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:27,040
Speaker 1: trigger or something like that. I'm not gonna wound a

1726
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 1: critter because of that. Now, we can't control what the

1727
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:34,559
Speaker 1: critter does, right, they jumped the string, you hit a limb, whatever,

1728
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 1: Maybe that's out of our control. But your trigger movement

1729
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:42,880
Speaker 1: is within your control. It is within your domain. And

1730
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 1: I really truly believe that that those the animals that

1731
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 1: we harvest deserve that. Yeah, and that's that's why I'm here.

1732
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I was just Yeah, you flew a long

1733
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:58,720
Speaker 1: ways to get here, body, and I'll tell you this. UM,

1734
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:03,640
Speaker 1: I found I I you know, as I discussed we

1735
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:05,560
Speaker 1: talked before in the podcast number of years ago, I

1736
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 1: listened to some other things and I learned a lot

1737
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 1: and I took value out of that. UM. But taking

1738
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 1: this next step, you know, being here with you in person,

1739
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 1: and I imagine if I would have gone through the

1740
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 1: digital course or gone to a clinic or something like that,

1741
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:26,600
Speaker 1: I do think that that extra depth and UM, I

1742
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:28,920
Speaker 1: don't know it. It took this form for me at

1743
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:32,639
Speaker 1: least to really get it all the way in and

1744
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 1: and it has been tremendously helpful to have you here

1745
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:37,760
Speaker 1: to to see also to get that direct feedback like

1746
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:39,559
Speaker 1: what am I doing this right? Does this field right?

1747
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:42,960
Speaker 1: You know? There's something to be said about um. One

1748
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 1: of the things I thought is like I think this

1749
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:46,679
Speaker 1: is a surprise release or I think I'm doing this right,

1750
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 1: but not being able to see it myself and not

1751
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 1: knowing if maybe I am pulling here a little bit

1752
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 1: or something. So all that's to say, uh, this has

1753
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:59,840
Speaker 1: been tremendously helpful, and uh thank you for people that well,

1754
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:02,840
Speaker 1: for people that want to either go to one of

1755
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 1: your in person clinics or if they want to check

1756
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 1: out the digital course or anything like that. Where can

1757
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:10,760
Speaker 1: people learn about shot i q and and all the

1758
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 1: different things that you have out there that can help them. Yeah,

1759
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:16,160
Speaker 1: so it's shot i q dot com is the website,

1760
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 1: and Joel Turner at shot i q dot com is

1761
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:25,280
Speaker 1: my is my email and hit me up. And so

1762
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:28,560
Speaker 1: we have our online course that is on shot i

1763
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 1: q dot com and you learn all the things you

1764
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 1: learn today. It's just you're watching my pretty face on

1765
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:37,640
Speaker 1: the screen, right and it's just video after video and

1766
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 1: explain explanation of the science and then how to implement

1767
01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 1: it with a trad bow and how to implement it

1768
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:46,800
Speaker 1: with every type of release on your compound system. So

1769
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty cool that that is sold globally. It's

1770
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 1: it's all over the place and people are finding I mean,

1771
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:56,599
Speaker 1: I get thank you notes every single day on that.

1772
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,320
Speaker 1: How it's you know, change their life or whatever. It's

1773
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 1: really cool to get this feedback and like, I was

1774
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 1: just reading you an email that I got from a

1775
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 1: guy from Italy, right, and he's he's trying to translate

1776
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:11,800
Speaker 1: what's going on, but it's it's worldwide and it is

1777
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:14,040
Speaker 1: a revolution and it's really cool. So shot i q

1778
01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:16,799
Speaker 1: dot com that's where all the that's where it all happens.

1779
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:20,599
Speaker 1: And then my live clinics are by request only and

1780
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 1: so like an archery shop will request or a private

1781
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 1: citizen may request, and there are some there are some

1782
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:29,519
Speaker 1: minimums to hit with those, um but just email me

1783
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 1: if you're interested in a clinic and we'll make it happen.

1784
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 1: I'm pretty booked for but we're starting to book into

1785
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 1: the three years, so it's a it's it's all over, man.

1786
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:42,800
Speaker 1: It's good. And I just retired, so now I'm this

1787
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 1: is shot i Q full time, So this is my

1788
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 1: job now. Well, I'm glad that you're able to spend

1789
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:51,479
Speaker 1: all your time doing this because I think it's making

1790
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 1: a difference to help people. It's helping I think, you

1791
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 1: know from everything I've heard from other people that have

1792
01:35:56,439 --> 01:36:01,799
Speaker 1: gone through this process, it's bringing joy back to people

1793
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 1: in a thing that they have enjoyed so much but

1794
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:06,760
Speaker 1: there's been this black cloud hanging over part of it,

1795
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:09,439
Speaker 1: and you if you can remove that black cloud and

1796
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:12,640
Speaker 1: bring back the confidence which brings back the fun and

1797
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 1: the joy. I think that, like you have said, I mean,

1798
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 1: it could be life changing and uh man, after last year,

1799
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm ready for that. Twenty twenty two, whatever this year is,

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01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 1: I'm ready for a different year. So thank you, Joel.

1801
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:29,719
Speaker 1: That's been great. You're welcome, okay, and that's a rap.

1802
01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 1: Appreciate you tuning in. I recommend, as I said already,

1803
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:37,680
Speaker 1: go check out all of Joel's stuff, his courses, his clinics,

1804
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,599
Speaker 1: social media. He's got a lot of good things going

1805
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 1: on and as you can see, a lot to offer.

1806
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:46,200
Speaker 1: So thank you for tuning in, Thanks for being with

1807
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:48,719
Speaker 1: me on this one or found along with this journey.

1808
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:54,880
Speaker 1: Until next time, shoot your bow and stay wired to

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Speaker 1: hun