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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome to the almost in his podcast today,

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Speaker 2: But and I are going to be breaking down the

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Speaker 2: Fantasy Suite episode of Joey's season. Then, what's your overall

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Speaker 2: take on this episode?

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Speaker 3: Every single human involved in this season up to this

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Speaker 3: point is an emotional, romantic wreck. They have no clue

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Speaker 3: what to do next, none of them Joey included. I'll

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Speaker 3: say this, he is a spiral of chaos and confusion

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Speaker 3: and emotion. And I don't think we've seen what we're

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Speaker 3: seeing during at this point in the season in a

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Speaker 3: long time where there is I still think only two

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Speaker 3: women that will be there, I mean like obviously be

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Speaker 3: there in the end, but like really only two women.

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Speaker 3: This is the like gonna be the real deal with

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Speaker 3: but all but I but I think he's so into

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Speaker 3: all three women. I think all three owner are into

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Speaker 3: him that this is this is like pulling at my

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Speaker 3: heart strings from being in it before and having a

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Speaker 3: similar situation.

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Speaker 2: Really yeah, I know, I'm trying to think about a

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Speaker 2: finale that would have been as just like not knowing

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Speaker 2: what's going to happen, like for like the lead. The

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Speaker 2: lead probably was just.

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Speaker 4: Like I don't I would say, Peter season.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Peter, there you go, Peter.

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Speaker 3: Probably the last time I would think back on like

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Speaker 3: the kind of the same level of my.

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Speaker 2: Goodness exsiveness, But like, I don't want to call it

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Speaker 2: indecis No.

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Speaker 4: I don't. I think that's the wrong word, Ashley, Yeah

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Speaker 4: I do. I don't think we can be love for

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Speaker 4: both people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think you can criticize. Remember, I don't

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Speaker 3: think you can criticize somebody for feeling this way at

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Speaker 3: the end. It is not indecisiveness. It's not cold feet.

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Speaker 3: It's not knowing what you want.

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Speaker 2: It's it's wanting both.

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Speaker 4: It's having everything.

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Speaker 3: It's like I have the most amazing people here with me,

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Speaker 3: and the women are going this is the most amazing guy,

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Speaker 3: and it makes it so much harder and it makes

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Speaker 3: it so much better to watch. And I think that's

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Speaker 3: what we love about this show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great. It's it's it's really edge of your

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Speaker 2: seat right now. I'm nervous, and I haven't been nervous

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Speaker 2: for a while. Like I'm always like you know me,

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Speaker 2: I'm always like you know what the person's gonna get heartbroken.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna get over it. They're gonna become the bachelor bachelorette,

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Speaker 2: They're gonna go on a paradise, They're gonna be fine.

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Speaker 2: But right now I'm like, actually, like quite nervous because

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Speaker 2: this is like real, it feels like real love with

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Speaker 2: him and Kelsey and him with Daisy. Let me tell

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Speaker 2: you that I started out the episode when he's crying

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Speaker 2: about the fact that, like, you know, his biggest fear

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Speaker 2: again is not being chosen back, And I'm like, why

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Speaker 2: is this man such a good crier? Like why is

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Speaker 2: he He's such an emotional crier? Like his cry makes

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Speaker 2: you really sad.

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Speaker 3: I've never felt that. I mean, I don't love to

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Speaker 3: see people cry. I will say that. I I mean,

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Speaker 3: remember I said it last week. I was there the

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Speaker 3: week before this and sitting with Joey. I sat next

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Speaker 3: to him, and like, his reaction this week is not

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Speaker 3: shocking to me. You could see it in his eyes

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Speaker 3: when I was with him that this was like pulling

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Speaker 3: him to a place that he didn't know where to go.

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Speaker 3: This is an unfamiliar, uncharted territory for Joey and these women,

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Speaker 3: but it is a season of the Bachelor. There is

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Speaker 3: no prep for this.

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Speaker 4: There is no.

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Speaker 3: Life lessons that you can learn to make you go

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Speaker 3: into these situations and do them well. At this point,

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Speaker 3: for the rest of the season, Joey is holding on

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Speaker 3: by a thread because at the same time that he's

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Speaker 3: telling these women he loves them, he's gonna be saying

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Speaker 2: And when you're saying this, I feel like you're saying

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Speaker 2: this because you know Joey quite well. You guys have

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Speaker 2: multiple conversations per week. I feel like we have Joey

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Speaker 3: It's not quotes from him, more of quotes from my

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Speaker 3: experience on the show and watching him and getting to

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Speaker 3: know him a little bit. I just don't outside of

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Speaker 3: everything else, I really love that we have a season.

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Speaker 4: That this is existing in. Okay, I know it hurts.

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Speaker 3: It hurts all the people involved, but I'm really glad

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Speaker 3: So say whatever happens at the end, like say that

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Speaker 3: whoever he's with, it doesn't work out right, like for

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Speaker 3: whatever reason life, For whatever reason, life brings itself and

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Speaker 3: they find themselves not working out. What we'll always do

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Speaker 3: is look back on Joey's season and be like, but

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Speaker 3: we felt it, and I think that's a huge win

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of like Caitlin's season.

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Speaker 4: Yes, good, good point.

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Speaker 2: We still think about Caitlin and Sean eight years, nine

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think they do, but we do.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, let's go look into the step by step

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Speaker 2: the first one the first dates with Rachel and I

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Speaker 2: don't know the real order of these dates this week,

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Speaker 2: and I'm really interested to know because Rachel's is the throwaway.

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Speaker 2: It was meant to be first for us to see

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Speaker 2: because it's just we can't compare it to the other two.

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Speaker 2: It could be in a totally separate episode. Not to

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Speaker 2: say that he doesn't like her. I like her. I

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Speaker 2: know that he does, and I know that he even

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Speaker 2: said he's falling in love with her, but he never

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Speaker 2: said it to her face. Right, that's like kind of

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Speaker 3: I feel like he says something along the lines of

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Speaker 3: I'm falling for you. I don't remember a moment where

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Speaker 3: he actually admitted his love to her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's so much different than the feelings of

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Speaker 2: when he admits loving feelings towards the other two that

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Speaker 2: I looked back on it and I was like, wait,

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Speaker 2: did he actually say it to her? You just say

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Speaker 2: it to the screen anyway. Well, it isn't without a

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Speaker 2: little bit of drama though, because she ends up jump

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Speaker 2: from that sky you know whatever, you want to call it,

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Speaker 2: Evan Bass would tell you that sometimes a hospital date

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Speaker 2: like one of those moments in life where you're like, Wow,

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Speaker 3: Maybe a little boring note here. Yeah, I was curious

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was wondering about that. I was also wondering, like, okay,

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Speaker 2: Can't like wait in the er waiting room for three

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like what was going on? I want to see

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Speaker 3: the waiting room. I want to see them just sitting there.

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Speaker 3: It looks like it hurts. You can tell that it

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Speaker 3: and spending this day, you know, away from their activities.

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Speaker 3: But they do bounce back. I just don't feel it actually,

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Speaker 3: them together. I just don't feel it like I feel

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Speaker 3: it with Daisy and Kelsey. And I don't know if

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Well, for me, the conversation between the two

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Speaker 2: of them is always about like, can she get vulnerable.

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Speaker 2: Is she open enough? And it's like, Okay, I'm tired

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Speaker 2: of talking about talking about it, Let's just see it

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Speaker 2: in action. How many times are I going to say

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Speaker 4: Because we really haven't seen that. I mean we've we've

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Speaker 2: Talking about her dad, remember when she like yeah, but.

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Speaker 3: Like we've seen them touch on it, but they bring

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Speaker 4: Want in a relationship, and you you don't see that.

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Speaker 2: Tell me a story. It doesn't have to be a

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Speaker 2: sad story, sob story. Just like, let's see a story.

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Speaker 3: Let's see where you're at as a couple. So they

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Speaker 3: do go to then overnight. I was I would say

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Speaker 2: Oh, I thought for sure because they needed the extra time.

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Speaker 3: That's fair, I think I was. I'm I think I'm

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Speaker 3: was just wondering when when this relationship was going to end,

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Speaker 3: if it was going to end at a you know, overnight,

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Speaker 3: But what is what by them going to an overnight,

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Speaker 3: what it does for me is it shows me that

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Speaker 3: Joey is more into this than I think I'm giving

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Speaker 2: Especially in the morning. I thought they seemed like they

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Speaker 3: I think I'm misreading this whole situation because I'm thinking, oh, Joey,

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Speaker 3: you know, Joey knows that it's he doesn't know what

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Speaker 3: Saying, no, we're gonna do this thing tonight, like we're

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Speaker 3: gonna go to an overnight, We're gonna take more time together,

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Speaker 3: it makes me have to take a step back and

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Speaker 3: be like, yeah, he's more into this than I thought

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's move on to the Kelsey date, which

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Speaker 2: is just everything like that date was. It was so

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Speaker 2: many feelings, so much like joy and happiness and lightness

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Speaker 2: and I love feeling that. And she was so cute

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Speaker 2: and giddy when she was excited about telling him that

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Speaker 2: she's in love with him, and it just felt good

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it overnights are so unique because you do have

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Speaker 3: mark that you know you expect, and that's what I'd

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Speaker 3: and I'm very willing to say, you know what, maybe

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Speaker 3: be shocked and it will be yet the most shocking

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Speaker 3: It's kind of the ultimatum that you don't want to

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Speaker 4: Because you are the one.

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Speaker 4: He can't do it. It's the format of the show.

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Speaker 3: I think you really do feel like you're holding on

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Speaker 4: If they know that you're convinced.

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Speaker 3: I am confused, and we'll move on past this Today'sy's

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Speaker 3: Sure, And that sounds like something my wife would do.

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Speaker 4: Like, about, what what's happening? Like, tell me more?

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Speaker 2: My dad does that, He goes, I need to speak

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Speaker 4: I had a good piece of beats to day.

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Speaker 3: You're like, you cannot do that anymore, Like you have

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Speaker 2: the fear. But there's also one other insecurity that Joey

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00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 2: has that we've seen between his two seasons, and that

438
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 2: gets brought up on the Daisy date. So we'll go

439
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 2: over to the Daisy date where he discusses with her

440
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 2: that he's just he's just very worried that somebody is

441
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 2: really going to get to know him and he's not

442
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 2: going to be enough for him. He's not going to

443
00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 2: be that great of a guy. He has this perpetual

444
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 2: insecurity that he's just not as good as what people

445
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 2: think he is. And again I still get a little concerned.

446
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, Joey, what are you like in a relationship?

447
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,679
Speaker 2: Like why are you so scared? Because now you're scaring me?

448
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 2: Maybe you do have this dark side.

449
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Speaker 3: M Yeah, I mean it's a very valid insecurity. And

450
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 3: in fact, I think there's a personality type that just

451
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 3: has that intrinsic like I am a fraud mentality, right,

452
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 3: imposter syndrome all the time, through everything, especially when you're

453
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 3: the bachelor.

454
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Speaker 4: When you're the bachelor, you mean.

455
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 2: It makes sense as the bachelor.

456
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Joey goes from like what living with his sister

457
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 3: in Philly to them being the bachelor in nice suits

458
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 3: and like having thirty women chased out. Now, granted, I'm

459
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 3: sure Joey's never hurt to get good attention and he

460
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 3: deserves it all. He's a great dude, but he's probably

461
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 3: a moment's looking back on his life and be like,

462
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 3: outside of this experience, guys like, this is not what

463
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 3: my life looks like, and that concerns me, that scares

464
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 3: me this. I had this conversation when I was on

465
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 3: the show with the final two, was do you realize

466
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 3: that life outside of this is not this? Like, I

467
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 3: don't you know, I'm in bed at nine thirty and

468
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 3: I like, don't go on a lot of vacations. And yes,

469
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: you know, having a following on Instagram does help people

470
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 3: get you on vacation more and have more of an

471
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 3: exciting life. But for the most part, I'm still a

472
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 3: software salesman and I still sit at a cubicle in

473
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 3: this small little office, and I get paid like a

474
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 3: little bit of a minimum wage. So just understand that

475
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 3: all of this is amazing. It's not who I am,

476
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 3: It's not what my life looks like. I would love

477
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 3: to provide everything that, you know, the person that I

478
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 3: love desires, but there's gonna be that sacrifice. There's a

479
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 3: story actually that came up with me when I was

480
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 3: doing my season and I have a friend whose parents

481
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 3: had been married for a long time, and I'll never

482
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 3: forget this conversation that we had. They were very wealthy

483
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 3: at this point in their life. They were living in

484
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 3: this beautiful, big hall. We would always go out by

485
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 3: the pool. And one night I was over there for dinner,

486
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 3: sitting around the table, and they started talking about how.

487
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Speaker 4: For the first like eight years of their life they

488
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 4: were living in this like good life together.

489
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, their life together, their marriage together, so kind of

490
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 3: up until they were like early thirties, they were living

491
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 3: in this small little condo in downtown San Francisco and

492
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 3: it was like in this really tough area and they

493
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 3: had they were talking about the food that they had

494
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 3: to eat for dinner at night because it's the only

495
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,239
Speaker 3: thing they could afford. And I and that's a lot

496
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 3: of people's stories. I understand that, but what it showed

497
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 3: I remember this feeling and I was like, wait, now

498
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 3: this is where they live, and they've been in love

499
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 3: then and now, like they're in love in both places.

500
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Speaker 4: They love each other.

501
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 3: They would go through, you know, anything, as long as

502
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 3: they were together.

503
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 4: And that's the kind of love you're looking for.

504
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: And I think it's kind of love that it's a

505
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 3: hard thing to get when you're on this show. Is

506
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 3: are you cool? Are we still going to do this thing?

507
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 3: Do you love me even if our life does not

508
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 3: look like this?

509
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point.

510
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 3: And so it's that insecurity. I also think that Joey

511
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 3: is a very humble human. I don't think he has

512
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 3: a very like narcissistic, egotistical high view of himself, which

513
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 3: I think is a very admirable quality. I think it's

514
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: a very good quality to have. And I think some

515
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 3: would go, oh, he has to have a dark side.

516
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 3: I don't think that's what he's saying at all. I

517
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 3: think people in The Bachelor tried to go, Ben, you

518
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: there must be a dark side, right, Oh, he has

519
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: this dark side thing going on, So maybe I do.

520
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 3: I'd love to have a little bit of a dark side.

521
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 3: I would love to find that dark side if it exists.

522
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 3: But my point always was like, do you just have

523
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 3: to understand that this is not my life. It's not

524
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 3: that I have a hidden secret, It's that this is

525
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 3: not my life, and I want to know that you're

526
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 3: in it no matter what.

527
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, he did give a specific this time. He said,

528
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: my last relationship with this woman in Hawaii, she told

529
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: me that I didn't make her feel special enough, and

530
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: that that could be something that he wasn't mature enough

531
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 2: in the relationship at the point to give her everything

532
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: that she needed. But also like maybe they just weren't

533
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 2: a compatible match.

534
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even know what that means. I hear that, like,

535
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 3: you don't make me feel special enough. I have no

536
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: clue what that means. Yeah, I don't know how to

537
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 3: do that as a partner, Like I wouldn't know how

538
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 3: to other than to support my wife well and to

539
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 3: like make her feel beautiful and go on dates and

540
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: you know, look at her and sit down with her

541
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 3: for dinner and listen to her when she wants to

542
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 3: tell me a story. Like I don't know how to

543
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: make any other human feel anything differently, than what they're

544
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 3: feeling about themselves.

545
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: Well, I heard recently this week. I'm not sure if

546
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: it was you that said it that like somebody was

547
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 2: in marriage counseling. Oh okay, it wasn't you know, somebody's

548
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: in marriage and the counselor said, if you could, what

549
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: are the three things that will make marriage just feel

550
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 2: better for you, make you feel more special? I suppose

551
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,239
Speaker 2: if you implemented it this week and it was just

552
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 2: like hug more go to bed at the same time together,

553
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: just like even if they're just gonna lie there on

554
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: their phone just to be closed and stuff like that.

555
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 2: And we don't know whether or not this woman was

556
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 2: vocal about how to make her feel special, but I

557
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: guess if Joey was ignoring the things that she told

558
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: him would make her feel.

559
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 4: Better, that's a lesson learn though.

560
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: That's not like a that's not a character flaw, that's

561
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 3: not something that like he wants to continue doing. I'm

562
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 3: just saying, if I enter into any romantic relationship and

563
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 3: the person's like, what I need from you is for

564
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 3: you to make me feel special, I said, okay, how

565
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 3: can I do that? And they're like, just make me

566
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 3: feel special. Yeah, of course I was lost, like I've

567
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 3: got nothing.

568
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 2: Hopefully the person would be explanatory as to what would

569
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: make them feel good.

570
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 4: I've got I do not have that trade.

571
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: Neither you and I are very concerned about Joey making

572
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 2: people feel special or Joey being a good partner. Okay,

573
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 2: so let's continue with the Daisy date. My biggest complain

574
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: about this date was that there was like too much

575
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 2: making out and not enough talking.

576
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I wonder too. I don't know Daisy just

577
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 3: being as a human, you know. But Sondra's advice to

578
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 3: Daisy was to spice things up a little bit. I

579
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: think you can summarize it with like, hey, you can

580
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 3: find ways to spice this up a little bit.

581
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: That you cat me. You're right. That was supposed to

582
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: be the theme.

583
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 3: It was the theme like, Daisy, you and Joey have

584
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 3: great conversation, you connect on great levels, right, you have

585
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 3: this playful relationship. But I think Daisy left that conversation

586
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 3: with Sonder being like I'm going full force into sex

587
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 3: it up. Yeah, like let's let's make out like I

588
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 3: want to, Like I mean, I mean it was set

589
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 3: up with like a shower scene.

590
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was also set up.

591
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: Basically, they were the ATV for like three seconds and

592
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: then they just shower.

593
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 3: Let's go shower. It's like, okay, I mean cool, that's fine, right, Ashley.

594
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 3: You got to tell me if I'm just a perverb.

595
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 3: But there's a line that Daisy says and it makes

596
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 3: me laugh. And I could just be like a middle

597
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 3: school boy here and like not knowing, like and making

598
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 3: everything sexual. But there's a line that Daisy says that

599
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 3: talking about their relationship. But then she says and it's

600
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 3: growing in all the right ways, and they do a

601
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 3: slow mod camera down to like their crosh line. Oh

602
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 3: so okay, And I'm like, that's either very ironic or

603
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: this show has weird minds.

604
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 4: But it made me giggle. I don't know if anybody

605
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 4: else recognize this. It did make me giggle.

606
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 3: And I and I don't like that there's an innuendo there.

607
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: Of course I didn't pick up on it. I don't

608
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: know why. Now I feel like.

609
00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 4: So I am a weirdo.

610
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 3: No, I feel I get it. I knew I would be.

611
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: I just had to say it, no.

612
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 2: Knowing Daisy's sense of humor. I think she said it

613
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: on purpose.

614
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: Okay, it was very quick, but like she's talking and

615
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: then they do this like slow mode down to them

616
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: in the shower at you know, at a sight line

617
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 3: that's like none of us really care to see that. Anyways,

618
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 3: this isn't why we're watching the show. But she's saying

619
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: this in the background as it's talking. I'm like, I

620
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: wonder if that's just one of those moments where an

621
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 3: editor was behind the scenes being like perfect, so good,

622
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 3: now this.

623
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: Is everybody is involved with that. I'm once again watching

624
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: this in my kid's playroom, like with him, like playing

625
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: with cars in the background. So like I may not

626
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,479
Speaker 2: have picked up on like this sextual stuff, you know,

627
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: the puns, but I know producers and I know that.

628
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: Like they pulled her aside to just do a little

629
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: in the moment interview and then they were like, would

630
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: you say that it's growing in all the right directions?

631
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: And then she was like I would say, it's.

632
00:30:54,840 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, just dirty, dirty humans. Yeah. This day is definitely

633
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 4: a more physical day.

634
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 3: The chemistry and connection is as strong as I've felt

635
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: the whole time. There is no lagging for me with

636
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: the date.

637
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: Oh see there was wow. So I was like, oh,

638
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: I think this is an order. I think the dates

639
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: are in order because when he saw Daisy and when

640
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: she was like I forgot something or like one more

641
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: thing I have for you.

642
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 4: Oh, I do agree with this.

643
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: You didn't seem that excited about he was like, okay,

644
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: ready now, Yes, it looks like he was like, I'm

645
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: not ready to move on to the Kelsey date.

646
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 4: You're right, And I did pick up on that.

647
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: I knew exactly what you're gonna say when you said

648
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 3: it was yes, he goes there's one, and it was

649
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 3: that like it was very cute and very like kind

650
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 3: of spur of the moment. But yeah, his response was

651
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: like all right, cool, we're good now, Like, yes, it

652
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: felt like it wasn't what he wanted at the time.

653
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: I know, I think he got there like they got

654
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: hot and heavy and all that, but but initially I

655
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: don't think he was in the right mindset.

656
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, fantasy sweet week is you know, you're going

657
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: back to back to back. You're not getting any sleep

658
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 3: no matter what is going on in the Fantasy Suite room.

659
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 3: It is more connectionable than any other week. We at

660
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 3: date three, you're pretty much like I cannot wait to

661
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 3: get this over with because I think the show typically

662
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: gives you almost like two days to rest.

663
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Ben, can you give us a timeline.

664
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've done this before, but please refresh all

665
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: of our memories. Do you have back to back fantasy

666
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: sweet days or do you have in between days?

667
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 3: You have a you have you usually get done with

668
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: it's exhausting, So you have a fantasy suite day date,

669
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: spend the night, wake up usually early early, you know,

670
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 3: have breakfast. You're usually i would say, leaving that dat

671
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 3: at ten am. Okay, you're leaving the day at ten am.

672
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 3: You go and do your ITMS, so you do the

673
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 3: interviews till lunch. You have lunch. After lunch, typically you're

674
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 3: doing like pickups till like five okay, So like you're

675
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: do either doing media interviews, you're doing like behind the

676
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: scenes like shots, you're doing b roll, you're doing anything

677
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 3: that like that episode needs. As the lead, the as

678
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 3: a contestant, you're kind of like free, you're not really

679
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 3: doing much. You're just kind of chilling after that, but

680
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: the lead and you're full grind until like dinnertime. Then

681
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 3: after dinner time you're going to sleep and you're waking

682
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 3: up the next morning and starting all over again right

683
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 3: like very early again, So you don't really get it.

684
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 4: I mean, you do get a day, at.

685
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: Least you have one buffer day where you're not seeing someone.

686
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 3: Those days were more exhausting for me because you're just

687
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: getting thrown around and you're getting tossed around in a

688
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: thousand directions and asked a thousand questions about all these dates.

689
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: And by the time you're at date three, you're getting

690
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 3: asked questions now about the week and your feelings and

691
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 3: the comparisons and all those things.

692
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 4: You're so tired.

693
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 3: So is it weird that he's kind of over it? No,

694
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 3: does it say anything about their relationship. I don't think

695
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 3: it does, because he did get into it at some point,

696
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 3: but he's probably like I would prefer again, I'd prefer

697
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 3: just to not have any dates this week.

698
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 4: I'm so tired. I'm so tired.

699
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'm just glad that you have one day

700
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 2: in between. So it sound like you're going from one fantasy.

701
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 4: To you just couldn't.

702
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: I mean, there's just yeah that you couldn't rag them

703
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: out without rag them out.

704
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 3: Well well yeah, literally, goodness, Ashley, holy cow.

705
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: Okay, moving on, anything else about Daisy's date.

706
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 3: No, you picked up on it. I do think it

707
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 3: didn't lack. Again, I'll go back and I'll say none.

708
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: Kelsey and Daisy did not set there's relationships back for me.

709
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 3: I do think there was that weird moment that felt

710
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 3: like off a little bit. It could have just been off.

711
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: But I'll leave Daisy's day going one hundred percent. In

712
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 3: my mind, if I was a betting man, it's Daisy

713
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 3: and Kelsey next week. Rachel's going home in a very

714
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: sad exit because I think she's great, but I do

715
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 3: think she's going home. I think Daisy and Kelsey will

716
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: be there at the end.

717
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna eliminate Rachel, not in a Row ceremony,

718
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: because I don't think we've got any teases of a

719
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 2: Row ceremony with three girls standing there.

720
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think he.

721
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: I think Rose ceremonies at this point are very optional

722
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: and I don't think they're necessary. I don't think they're needed.

723
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 3: I think the only thing we might see is you know, him,

724
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 3: talk to whoever he's sending home. They go home, and

725
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: then the two others show up to a Row ceremony.

726
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 3: He's like hey, you're here, Like, and then my favorite

727
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 3: part of every season happens. You know what that is

728
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 3: nil in now the very awkward three person hug with

729
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 3: the two in people end and the lead giving this like, hey,

730
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 3: we're still in it together, Like very awkward moment.

731
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's very awkward where.

732
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 4: Everybody stands around and you still cheers together.

733
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 3: You're looking at the other person and you're like, we

734
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 3: were way past this, Like I don't I like you

735
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 3: as a human. I don't want to see you here, like, yeah,

736
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 3: this is very awkward for me. This is my boyfriend.

737
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 3: The other person's going, this is my boyfriend, Like it's

738
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 3: it's a very weird scenarios.

739
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 2: Very weird. I don't know. I don't know if I

740
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: first see that that eve that even moment, even because

741
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: we haven't seen anything like that, we haven't seen these

742
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: girls with justice. To keep this fast forwarding to the

743
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: finale scene, which is the last point I really want

744
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: to make on this podcast, is there have been some

745
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 2: spoiler esque things that have come out over the past

746
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: couple of weeks from multiple people in the franchise. I'm

747
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: not going to call out who they might be, and

748
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: there's multiples yeah, And Jesse's voiceover made me think that

749
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: they are almost like playing into that because he said,

750
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: like you think you think you know what's gonna happen,

751
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: Like you don't. Okay, Am I overreact? Am I overanalyzing

752
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: that line? Because I really do, in my in my soul,

753
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 2: I I think I know who he ends up with. Okay,

754
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: but I don't think it's going to be a conventional

755
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: happy ending because it keeps teasing that it's not going

756
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: to be. And maybe the Tea's is just so so good.

757
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 2: But Jesse also says that we've never seen anything like that.

758
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no. Even Joey himself says this couldn't have

759
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: possibly happened before, has it.

760
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 3: He says that I think Joey's saying it holds a

761
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 3: different weight from me. You know, remember how you and

762
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 3: I started to complain a few years ago about how

763
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 3: the show overhyped everything, like they were like the most

764
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: dramatic season ever.

765
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: You know, the only thing that really lived up was

766
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: Hannah Brown moving the podium and then the whole we

767
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: did a windmill, and then the fence and then the

768
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 2: fence jump. Those are like the things that were like

769
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: I gotic.

770
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, like one hundred percent right. So I'm hoping

771
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: the show isn't going back and falling back into that

772
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 3: like kind of rhythm of over dramatizing for the public

773
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 3: to stay and pay attention, because it ultimately the show

774
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 3: loses the fans trust, which I think is why people

775
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 3: stop watching. Yeah, but with Joeys saying it, I do

776
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 3: think there's something that neither you nor I know that happens.

777
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: My gut tells me it's not as big of a

778
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: deal as what they're hyping it up to be. But

779
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 3: I don't know that for certain, Like I have no idea.

780
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 4: I'm just saying I don't.

781
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 3: I don't know what that could be. Like, I have

782
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: no idea what could happen here in the final two

783
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 3: that makes it something that's never happened before. But the

784
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 3: show has surprised me every season that feels like there's

785
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 3: something different that happens at the very end that you know,

786
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: really throws us for a loop.

787
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 4: I just don't know what it could be.

788
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: It could be as simple but dramatic as the woman

789
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: who doesn't get picked just having a very strange reaction.

790
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 4: Yes, smacking them.

791
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that would be something that we've never seen before. Question.

792
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 3: I don't see it with these two. I don't see it.

793
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 3: I don't see it with these two. Who knows it's

794
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 3: gonna keep us engaged intrigued, Not like that we need

795
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 3: anything to keep us engaged in intrigued. This season, I

796
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 3: think the fans are very happy with how the season's going.

797
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 3: I'm getting more people than ever coming up to me

798
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 3: being like, are you watching the season? What do you

799
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 3: think happens with Joey? I do you know in my

800
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 3: workout class that I take here, the hot pilates that

801
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 3: duality in Denver, it's me about three other dudes and

802
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 3: thirty women. I know for the first time they're watching

803
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: this season. I've been going here for three four years.

804
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 3: This season, they're asking me more questions than ever. It's

805
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: funny for me. They're very engaged this Yeah.

806
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: I got to see my best friend yesterday and she

807
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 2: hasn't watched the show in years, and she was asking

808
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: me a whole bunch of questions.

809
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great, It's really fun. Okay, Ashley, we are

810
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 3: going to close out here. We do have a lot

811
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 3: more content to get prepared for. We have a big

812
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 3: week ahead of us. Obviously, we're continue to breakdown the

813
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 3: Bachelor season. We got almost good advice, which has been

814
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 3: a ton of fun and a big success for us.

815
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 3: We have some great interviews coming out, so we do

816
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 3: have a busy week in front of us. To kind

817
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 3: of close out. I'm not going to share my opinion

818
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 3: because I really don't have one necessarily and not one

819
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 3: that I could speak to. What do you think this

820
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 3: letter is intending and meaning? How do you think we

821
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 3: see that whole letter situation play out? Is it being

822
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: over dramatized? Is it a big deal? Is it something

823
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 3: that's very forgettable? Just what's your thoughts?

824
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: I think that if there's something between the two, between

825
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 2: the two teases, the note will be the less dramatic event. Okay,

826
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: I think it could simply just be Kelsey wanting just

827
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 2: like a little like another conversation, a little bit more affirmation.

828
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 4: Okay, that makes sense. I how about you? I don't know.

829
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 3: Like I said, I don't have an opinion really to

830
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 3: speak on right now. It's I typically can formulate what

831
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 3: I think is going to be. I don't want to

832
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 3: over analyze it because it could be way more emotional

833
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 3: than I expect, and it could be game changing for

834
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 3: the whole process. I will only say this, what if

835
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 3: this is the thing that we're hearing Joey say, this

836
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 3: has never happened before, right, yeah, Oh, but.

837
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: I think that we actually see his mouth move.

838
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 4: Oh they're good at that.

839
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: Actually, maybe maybe his back is turned, but he is present.

840
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 3: When I put that over, I'm not saying, just don't

841
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: leave it out that this could be the moment that

842
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 3: changes everything.

843
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay. Now next week we have women Tell All.

844
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: But I also think we're going to get more of this.

845
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be a full two hours,

846
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: just basically, which is good.

847
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 4: We love it.

848
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 2: We love not seeing a lot of We love not

849
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: having a big one.

850
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 3: I can't watch two hours of Sydney and Maria fighting.

851
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 4: We don't.

852
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: We want to happy. We want to happy come together

853
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 2: moment for everyone though, and that'll be it.

854
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 4: Don't we all?

855
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 3: Okay, Hey, Ashley, it's been great. We're coming to the

856
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: end of the season, which is sad in a lot

857
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 3: of ways, but we do, as I mentioned, have a

858
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 3: lot of good things coming your way here at the

859
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 3: Almost Famous podcast. The fun part about this time of

860
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 3: the year is soon we'll start having these interviews with

861
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: some of the people that are your favorites from this season,

862
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 3: including Joey the Bachelor, to you know, the Marias and

863
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 3: the Sydney's hopefully of the world.

864
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 4: We're going to have great interviews.

865
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: Coming out, getting more of a lay of the land

866
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 3: of this season and the behind the scenes of everything

867
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: going on. So we'll be back, but until next time,

868
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: I've been Ben, I've been.

869
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: Actually see you guys. Thank you.

870
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,560
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