WEBVTT - The Diddy Trial: Where Do You Stand on the Verdict? (It’s ok to be torn) 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, that folks, Amy a TJ. Here. We're actually joining

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<v Speaker 1>you just mid conversation. We have been sitting here going

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth for about twenty minutes about what we

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk about in this episode. Meanwhile, we just

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<v Speaker 1>recorded a pretty good episode that wasn't recorded that would

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<v Speaker 1>have been great if we were rolling on it. But

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know what to do, folks, We're torn. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we're recording this now, day after day after the verdicts,

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<v Speaker 1>and that we're digesting it robes now and you and

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<v Speaker 1>I have been going back and forth about what we

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<v Speaker 1>make of Diddy, what we make of victims, what we

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<v Speaker 1>make now going forward, of how we're supposed to view victims,

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<v Speaker 1>and the way you put it robes any role they

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<v Speaker 1>do play in the position they end up in, and

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<v Speaker 1>as it does that make it any less of a crime. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a mess.

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<v Speaker 2>It is because I think, look, did he might be

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<v Speaker 2>the only winner from yesterday's verdict and he's still behind

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<v Speaker 2>bars and he's going to serve some time. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think everyone else lost something. And I know if you

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<v Speaker 2>go online and you google reaction to the Diddy verdict,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll see and hear from a lot of women's advocacy groups,

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<v Speaker 2>me too movements, victims advocates, and they all are well,

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<v Speaker 2>many of them are outraged. They feel like this is

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<v Speaker 2>set back victims' rights, This set back an opportunity for

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<v Speaker 2>women to feel free and comfortable to talk about what

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<v Speaker 2>happened to them, to even seek charges, to go to police,

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<v Speaker 2>to speak out about.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't argue all right? Are they right?

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<v Speaker 2>Do they feel silenced after this because he was not

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<v Speaker 2>convicted of the crimes against the women who claim that

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<v Speaker 2>they suffered under.

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<v Speaker 1>His vis don't we all and shouldn't we all share

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<v Speaker 1>in their outrage? Should we all share in at least

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<v Speaker 1>being in some even if it's not outrage, but in

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<v Speaker 1>agreement that it's some kind of setback on such a

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<v Speaker 1>high profile case, when there's such a high profile abuser

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<v Speaker 1>that we have witnessed literally on video, that seemingly has

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<v Speaker 1>gotten away with something.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's my take, and this is what we were discussing. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you're right, it seems like he got away with it. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like he got away with it. That he

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<v Speaker 2>only was convicted for transporting mail escorts across state lines

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<v Speaker 2>to have paid sex with his then girlfriends and it

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<v Speaker 2>seems like he avoided facing punishment for what we all

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<v Speaker 2>saw witness and what he even admitted to. Yes, when

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<v Speaker 2>it came to violence against Cassie, violence against Jane, but

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<v Speaker 2>that was the prosecution who created the situation that we're

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<v Speaker 2>now all in where we feel defeated or deflated expectations.

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<v Speaker 1>They set the expectation.

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<v Speaker 2>Because if here was my issue the whole time, and

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<v Speaker 2>seeing how it all unfolded, I actually feel even more

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<v Speaker 2>angered by it.

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<v Speaker 3>Why in God's name.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand there'll be a legal reason and a political reason,

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<v Speaker 2>but come on, why couldn't Diddy have just been charged

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<v Speaker 2>with the crimes he actually committed, which was assault, domestic violence,

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<v Speaker 2>illegal drug use. Those were things that he admitted. Those

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<v Speaker 2>were things that were absolutely provable, beyond the shadow of

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<v Speaker 2>a doubt, not just reasonable doubt. And those were things

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<v Speaker 2>that the defense said, yeah, guilty is charged. Why was

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<v Speaker 2>he not charged with those crimes? Because if he was

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<v Speaker 2>charged with those crimes, and that's what people were so

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<v Speaker 2>upset about, obviously, when they saw that video of Cassie

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<v Speaker 2>venture Fine being physically assaulted under a surveillance video, when

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<v Speaker 2>several people testified to personally witnessing egregious acts of assault

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<v Speaker 2>and violence? Why was he not charged for all of

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<v Speaker 2>those numerous times that were well documented.

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<v Speaker 3>If he was charged with that, he would have.

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<v Speaker 2>Either pled guilty to those or he would have been convicted.

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<v Speaker 2>And then wouldn't we all feel good as women and

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<v Speaker 2>as women advocates that he was charged and convicted or

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<v Speaker 2>at least paying his dues for those crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, we just can't make sense of we know

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<v Speaker 1>and we have seen now what by all intents and purposes,

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<v Speaker 1>has been described as a as a monster some of

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<v Speaker 1>the behavior. And I don't think any of us don't

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<v Speaker 1>believe the stories that have about these women.

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<v Speaker 3>Too many people saw too many things, and you.

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<v Speaker 1>Could talk about intentions and if they were there because

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted to and all, but what happened happened awful,

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<v Speaker 1>awful stuff. Nobody is saying did he is a good dude?

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<v Speaker 1>But how are we now? And that's what we say,

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<v Speaker 1>we are torn? How are we supposed to reconcile? I

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<v Speaker 1>think did he should be in jail for the crimes

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard described, But at the same time I can

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<v Speaker 1>be comfortable with the verdict that is going to keep

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<v Speaker 1>him out of jail for a long long time. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the torn part of you want the guy to be

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<v Speaker 1>in jail, but not for what you all charged him for,

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<v Speaker 1>because it doesn't make sense that a guy who was

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<v Speaker 1>a Look, I know, the shirts were cute and everything outside,

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<v Speaker 1>what was it? A Freako is not a Rico some

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<v Speaker 1>of the T shirts they were selling outside at the jailhouse.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's what that kind of sums it up well.

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<v Speaker 1>In one T shirt, Freeco is not a Rico.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, And honestly it's catchy and it's true. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's what's feeling off for so many folks. And

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<v Speaker 2>we can all point fingers here, there and everywhere at

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<v Speaker 2>who was the bad guy, who was wrong, who did this?

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<v Speaker 2>And whether or not Cassie and Jane were actual I mean, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>they were victims of violence, they were victory of assault.

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<v Speaker 2>But in terms of all of the things the prosecution

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<v Speaker 2>was trying to prove and say about Didy and his

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<v Speaker 2>enterprise and his co conspirators and his racketeering and conspiracy charges,

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<v Speaker 2>that all just felt like a false narrative that they

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<v Speaker 2>were trying. They were overreaching, They were trying to put

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<v Speaker 2>this guy away for life.

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<v Speaker 3>Why not just charge him with what he actually did.

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<v Speaker 1>And folks will argue that the victims didn't come forward,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't come forward in time, and all of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, the federal government isn't going

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<v Speaker 1>to go after Sean Diddy Combs for domestic.

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<v Speaker 2>Violence, then why not the state of Florida, Then why

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<v Speaker 2>not the state of New York? Then why not the

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<v Speaker 2>state of California? Where is their responsibility?

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<v Speaker 1>Again, we covered this a whole bunch. Did we hear

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<v Speaker 1>one report of one person calling the police on Sean

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<v Speaker 1>Diddy Combs? I think the night of the Kid Cutty incident?

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<v Speaker 1>Who call he called? It was a break in in

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<v Speaker 1>my house. I think that was it. But nobody ever,

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<v Speaker 1>in all the times, all the beatings, and all the

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<v Speaker 1>people witnessed, nobody ever called the police to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Combs is over here beating the hell out of

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<v Speaker 1>his girlfriend. So we talk about now an outrage and

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<v Speaker 1>people upset and the system has failed. Those jurors failed

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<v Speaker 1>these women. We started counting when this trial started, how

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<v Speaker 1>many people failed these women because so many people knew

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<v Speaker 1>what was happening. From a security guard at a hotel,

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<v Speaker 1>a security guard's wife even knew what was happening.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a long list, Cassie Ventur's own mother, her mom, nurse, stylist,

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<v Speaker 3>her makeup artist, and we.

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<v Speaker 1>Want it's this person's fault and this person did it

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<v Speaker 1>wrong and they got it wrong, and they shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>charged this and that. But there is so much and

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<v Speaker 1>I hope we do keep talking about it. It's so

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<v Speaker 1>much responsibility we all bear in all of this, and

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<v Speaker 1>how we talk about it in joke about baby oil

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<v Speaker 1>all damn day on social media. It contributes to this

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere where become almost to sensitized to what this was.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a case about monstras' violence against women that

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<v Speaker 1>became something we couldn't understand from a legal standpoint.

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<v Speaker 2>And further complicating this to your point that no woman,

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<v Speaker 2>and not even the victims themselves, but all of the

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<v Speaker 2>people around them who knew who claimed to be in

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<v Speaker 2>fear of Diddy. And I'm not saying that wasn't true,

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<v Speaker 2>but that was what they said. That was part of

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<v Speaker 2>the reason why they didn't come forward. They were afraid

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<v Speaker 2>of him. And there were people who just wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>be around him and with him and liked the financial

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<v Speaker 2>perks that they got from being with him, working for him,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least being in his circle. So there were

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of different motivations, but a lot of this

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<v Speaker 2>is and was, and the only reason why we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about it is because of money. Money is the reason

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<v Speaker 2>why did he end it up in court Because Cassi,

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<v Speaker 2>even to Refine, filed that lawsuit, and if he had

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<v Speaker 2>just settled with her before.

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<v Speaker 3>That day went by, the lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 2>Was filed, federal officials got wind of it, saw what

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<v Speaker 2>she alleged, and then pursued it with an investigation.

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<v Speaker 3>But this was ultimately about money.

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<v Speaker 2>This wasn't about justice, This wasn't about the greater good,

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<v Speaker 2>This wasn't about making sure that Diddy could never or

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<v Speaker 2>would never do this to another woman. This was about money.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that also further complicates this conversation. I know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I understand how difficult, well I don't understand. I

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<v Speaker 2>can imagine how difficult it was for Cassi even to refine,

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<v Speaker 2>to get on that stand and to testify to these

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<v Speaker 2>horrific things that happened to her and that she participated in.

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<v Speaker 2>But she would never have been on that stand if

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<v Speaker 2>she hadn't been seeking money in the first place. And

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of folks. Then that just draws into question

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<v Speaker 2>the motivation and.

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<v Speaker 3>Where her complicity lies.

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<v Speaker 2>It just it complicates this whole issue of the me

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<v Speaker 2>too movement and why women do what they do and

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<v Speaker 2>when and how and why they come forward. It just

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<v Speaker 2>it creates I feel like, if anything, things got greater,

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<v Speaker 2>well things got more confusing.

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<v Speaker 1>Then take that on. If somebody would response to you,

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<v Speaker 1>who gives a damn? She's a victim because she went

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<v Speaker 1>through what she went through, even if she didn't come

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<v Speaker 1>forward as a victim herself. It doesn't take away from

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<v Speaker 1>and it shouldn't change anything about the conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree that she is a victim regardless, Yes, without

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<v Speaker 2>a doubt. What it does is it makes it much

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<v Speaker 2>more difficult in a court to prove anything. And that

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<v Speaker 2>is the problem. It's about being able to prove something. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>it's yes anything, any sort of Look, the assault was

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<v Speaker 2>not he said, she said.

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<v Speaker 3>It was proven.

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<v Speaker 2>But in terms of coercion, in terms of whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not she was able to say no, In terms of

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not she was kidnapped or coerced or forced

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<v Speaker 2>into doing acts she didn't want to commit, that's all

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<v Speaker 2>very difficult to prove when it began with a civil

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<v Speaker 2>lawsuit that involved tens of millions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this is this is when I thought, man, we

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<v Speaker 1>should just hit record and start talking, because you pointed

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<v Speaker 1>this out, and it is for me the point you

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<v Speaker 1>were just making the biggest what if? Ever? What if

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<v Speaker 1>when Cassie, even terrified, went to Diddy and said, I

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<v Speaker 1>have this book. You can buy the rights to it

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty million dollars, sign an NDA, You'll never hear

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<v Speaker 1>from me again. If he would have just done that

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<v Speaker 1>on the spot, she would have been obligated to not

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<v Speaker 1>speak about it ever publicly. And would we have ever

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<v Speaker 1>found out about any of this about Sean Diddy Combs.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't believe right now, Absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 2>Could he have continued in his monstrous ways and finally

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<v Speaker 2>messed with the lack of a better term, the wrong woman.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely that's possible. But he had spent decades grooming women,

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<v Speaker 2>grooming women, picking women who perhaps he found of a

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<v Speaker 2>certain temperament. I believe he spoke about Cassie. He got

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<v Speaker 2>them young, he said, she's mouldible. I got her exactly

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<v Speaker 2>where I want her. So he was grooming women he

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<v Speaker 2>knew to find them where to find them and at

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<v Speaker 2>what age perhaps even to find them, so he knew

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<v Speaker 2>what he was doing. But I think it could possibly

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<v Speaker 2>have happened years down the line that the wrong you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he picked the wrong woman who decided to speak up

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<v Speaker 2>and speak out and wasn't going to take that. But

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<v Speaker 2>short of that, no, I think he would have been

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<v Speaker 2>able to keep doing what he was doing. So, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I understand you can look at it and say, regardless

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<v Speaker 2>of how it came to light, regardless if it was

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<v Speaker 2>about money initially, thank god it did come to light

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<v Speaker 2>because this man needed to be behind bars, and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Truly believe that. I believe Diddy belongs behind bars.

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<v Speaker 1>But the person at the center of this, and again,

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<v Speaker 1>this was the point I didn't just stop and think

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<v Speaker 1>about until you hit me with it a few minutes ago,

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<v Speaker 1>was Cassievento. Refine did not want this to come out.

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<v Speaker 1>She did not want the world to find out about Diddy, initially,

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<v Speaker 1>at least as long as she.

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<v Speaker 2>Got paid, because she didn't want the world to find

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<v Speaker 2>out what she did and what she participated in. And

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<v Speaker 2>I understand that, and so how much of it is regret? Yes, again,

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<v Speaker 2>want to make it crystal clear, it's not okay that

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<v Speaker 2>she was abused and that she was assaulted, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>all like, that's not.

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<v Speaker 3>Even up for debate.

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<v Speaker 2>But in terms of the freak offs, in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>all of that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's.

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<v Speaker 2>That's something that she did participate in, sometimes maybe not

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<v Speaker 2>willingly but other times yes, And that is in and

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<v Speaker 2>of itself embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 1>So what has happened now? And I guess it has been

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<v Speaker 1>the trial that we have now turned to examining the victim.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't this what we always complain about that we examine

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<v Speaker 1>the victim as if their complicated background makes the crimes

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<v Speaker 1>against them any less egregious. That cannot be the case,

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<v Speaker 1>and that maybe is a problem in this conversation because

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<v Speaker 1>so much has been exposed, if you will, about what

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<v Speaker 1>the girlfriends essentially were getting out of the relationship. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>one argument can be made they were held hostage. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>they were under his power, and they were coursed as

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<v Speaker 1>the word continues to be used, but in just generally

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<v Speaker 1>as a just watching it as a human being, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't help but think that obviously it played a role

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<v Speaker 1>in that.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, And yes, because no matter what the law is,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what your jury instructions were from the judge,

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<v Speaker 2>You're still a human being who's lived a certain amount

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<v Speaker 2>of experience in life, and you know some of these

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<v Speaker 2>basic truths that are just within us all, and so

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<v Speaker 2>that had to have played a role in the jury's

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<v Speaker 2>decision to not convict Diddy on these more serious charges.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a reasonable doubt, it is, and I agree with it.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's so interesting because, having had now twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>hours to reflect on the verdicts, I'm actually I'm actually

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<v Speaker 2>very much like they aren't the charges I would have

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<v Speaker 2>wished he was facing. But I do think the amount

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<v Speaker 2>of time he's going to be spending in prison, which

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<v Speaker 2>will be at least another year beyond the nine months

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<v Speaker 2>he's already served, I think it would be safe to say,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe even a little bit more, you know, say

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<v Speaker 2>he gets another even two years. There needed to be

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of consequence and punishment for what he did.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what his time would have been behind bars,

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<v Speaker 2>to be honest, I don't know what state charges of

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<v Speaker 2>assault and domestic violence, and I don't think it ever

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<v Speaker 2>rose to the level of attempted murder, but certainly these

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<v Speaker 2>were serious violent crimes. I don't know what kind of

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<v Speaker 2>time he would have been looking at from that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a charge, but he he needs to be behind bars.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a dangerous, violent person who needs to pay

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<v Speaker 2>for his crimes. Without a doubt, I just don't love

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<v Speaker 2>what he was charged with, and I don't love what

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<v Speaker 2>he was convicted with, but I'm okay with the ultimate

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<v Speaker 2>end of it, with the result of it. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>that he's behind bars for a couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>And you just explained the whole in one sentence. There

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<v Speaker 1>what being torn and this thing means to be happy

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to jail, to be happy with the verdict,

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<v Speaker 1>but be unhappy they was charged with this in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place, to be unhappy that he's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>jail for longer for doing what we all saw him do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so who's responsible? I mean, the prosecution has to

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<v Speaker 2>bear a lot of that responsibility.

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<v Speaker 3>And the question is, now that we've seen what happened in.

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<v Speaker 2>Court, will prosecutors, will federal prosecutors, even state and local

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<v Speaker 2>dace will they take notes from this case?

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<v Speaker 3>Will they say, hey, let's actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Just understand the jurors are smart, real people who get it,

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<v Speaker 2>and they understand when we're trumping up charges or we're

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<v Speaker 2>creating charges to try and get around something.

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<v Speaker 3>To not actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Charge people with what they with the crimes they committed.

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<v Speaker 2>That would just go a long way. I think people

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<v Speaker 2>are afraid to do politicians and obviously a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these folks are elected officials. But isn't that our biggest complaint.

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<v Speaker 2>They aren't transparent. They don't say I'm sorry, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>say what actually is.

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<v Speaker 3>They try to create the.

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<v Speaker 2>Smoke and mirror show, and it kind of treats all

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<v Speaker 2>of us like we're stupid. And I feel like that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a little bit what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, And apparently twelve people said, hey, we can't be

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<v Speaker 1>fooled by it. That's I don't know. I just I

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<v Speaker 1>hate that the conversation is going towards this idea, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a legitimate one, that this was a loss for women,

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<v Speaker 1>that this is once again a man getting away with

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<v Speaker 1>crimes he committed. On the other hand, as an argument,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't charged for the actual trial and we saw

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<v Speaker 1>him commit. And somewhere in the middle there is this

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<v Speaker 1>racketeering and this sex trafficking that is just hard, certainly

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<v Speaker 1>for twelve jurors to reconcile. When I see a domestic abuser,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how he translates to the CEO of

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<v Speaker 1>a criminal enterprise.

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<v Speaker 3>You just nailed it and that's why we're torn.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the end of the day, it does feel

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<v Speaker 2>like some justice was served and just curious, Hey, if

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<v Speaker 2>you guys want to jump on Amy and TJ podcast

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<v Speaker 2>our Instagram page, we would love to hear where you

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<v Speaker 2>all land on this and how you feel about the

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<v Speaker 2>verdict and wondering if you're just as torn as we are.

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<v Speaker 3>But we appreciate you listening.

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<v Speaker 2>As always, I'm Amy roboch On behalf of my partner

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<v Speaker 2>t J.

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<v Speaker 3>Holmes. We hope you have a wonderful day and a

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<v Speaker 3>wonderful holiday on the fourth of July tomorrow