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If you're in London, 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:39.040 I'd really recommend heading to their beautiful, brand new flagship 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:42.480 store in Marlevin, which opens on the twenty ninth of October. 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:52.559 Guillermo del Toro in his extraordinary movies Pan Slambermouth, The 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:57.040 Shape of Water Pinocchio takes us to his worlds surreal, mystical, 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.640 sometimes dark. But when he and I met in the 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:03.240 River Cafe, my world. We started talking and we didn't 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.280 really stop for two hours. Connected by a love for 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:13.600 Mexican people, Mexican food, and Mexican culture. It's Sunday morning 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:16.040 and Geramo and I are together again in the River 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:19.920 Cafe to talk about the power of love and trust, 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:26.160 understanding monsters as gentle and peaceful. When we're done, I'll 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:30.360 know more about trust, I'll know more about food. But 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:33.840 most of all, I hope i'll know more about Guillermo, 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:36.600 my magical and magnificent friend. 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:37.880 No, thank you, my learning. 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:41.000 I make it good. So what we do now is 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:44.440 we read. You chose a recipe. This was pizza with 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:47.720 tledgio artichoke. Yes, you read the recipe, then we'll have 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:48.480 our conversation. 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.480 Well, this is a recipe for pizza with the legio 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:57.240 artichokes improcudo. It serves six six by twenty five centimeters 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:02.400 pizza dough into balls, rolled out six small artichokes, two 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:06.919 tablespoons of extra virgin olive oil, one bunch of thyme, 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:11.400 four hundred grams of to ledio cheese roughly got ryan removed, 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:15.200 and three hundred grams of prescudo thinly slice. 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:19.080 This is what you need to make this now white 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:19.919 the ledo. 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:23.120 We like to legends in northern cheese. It melts very 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:27.720 beautifully and it has a kind of saltiness that you 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:30.800 know that is a contrast almost to the doughiness of pizza. 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.280 I mean, we love pizza with mozzarella. We love pizza. 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.000 I think today he might be doing a pizza with 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:39.120 cork and sola and figs. But this to led you, 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:40.720 I'd like you to try it because it has a 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:44.720 saltiness and a kind of slightly surprising when you have it. 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:46.639 You order pizza at the River Cafe and you get 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:49.120 a very thin crust and then you get the layer 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.080 of to ledgo nice. 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.120 So you know how to make it is in a 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.440 heavy bottom band, heat the olive oil, add the art 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:00.800 heart sometime could the hearts, turning them for about ten minutes. 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:04.160 Heavy bottom pan is important because. 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.480 Because it distributes the heat in the distribute. You use 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.880 a thin pan, you'll get some pieces that burnt, some 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:13.239 pieces that are not cooked. And it's better to invest 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:16.440 in a good saucepan and keep it for the rest 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:20.480 of your life. Stainless steel is important. Aluminum thin pads 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:21.040 too much. 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:22.640 You know. 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:24.680 I know a little about this because when I was 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:28.240 a young man, for about ten years I studied and 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:33.600 did make up effects, makeup effects, special makeup effects. And 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.040 when you cook the latex, the foam latex, you have 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:40.800 to design the oven with heavy walls of real iron 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.119 or like expensive iron to distribute the heat. 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:46.160 So what do you do with the latex? 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:50.360 You cook it, you make it, you form it using 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:54.640 you know, three or four parts, and then as you 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:59.480 cook they ventilate. But the latex take is curing for decades. 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:04.760 It doesn't stop. It's quite a quite an alchemy anyway, 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.800 not late this remove the pan and cool right dot 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:11.640 the pieces of the leado over rolled out pizza vases 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:15.960 scatter the artist chokes are over and then season nice 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:19.279 baking the preheat oven until the door is cooked crispy 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.960 and the cheese is melted if you like her, with 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:25.680 a slice of proscutta laid over the top of the pizza. 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:26.560 This is like the kama. 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:28.360 Do you want a pizza? 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:29.599 I would like to try this? 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.159 Can we ask for pizza to come? It's not what 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:36.520 you today, It's with gorganzole and fig What would you 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:38.600 want to do you want to let you? They can 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:39.560 make you whatever you want? 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:40.280 Is it like. 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:46.119 Do you want? Do you want what you prefer? The okay? 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:47.520 Can you ask them to make it? To let your 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:48.480 precuto pizza? 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:49.080 I like it? 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:54.480 God yourself oiled. Well, I mean honestly, not many people 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:56.039 get to choose the pizza they want. 0:04:56.320 --> 0:05:00.000 Well, look, you know what happened. 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.200 I like spoiling people. That's why I like having a restaurant. 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:05.640 People always say, what do you say, Ruth? In a restaurant? 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.560 You know what I say to say yes? Yes, somebody 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:10.600 wants something, Say yes. It makes life easy. 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:12.480 Do you say you never hear yeah, you'll never hear 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:14.040 me say no to that restaurant. 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:16.200 But even when you're working, don't you think if you 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:18.960 can say yes, well it's funny, you have to say 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:19.479 no funny? 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:20.320 Ye? Do you say that? 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:24.479 Because I have described the role of a director, I 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:28.000 say there are directors that are hosts and directors that 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:28.800 are guests. 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:31.240 There are directors that like to be. 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:35.120 Served by every department, and there are directors, which is 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.600 my case, that I'd like to host every department to 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:42.880 deliver their best and coach them, coach them and coordinate 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:44.360 them into an orchestra. 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:45.920 You know, I'm a. 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:50.080 Host as you, and I think the universal rule that 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:54.800 is without flow true is when people say, how would 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.320 you define somebody being rich? It's not what you have 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:02.200 is how much you can give? Right, So hosting is 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:05.840 actually the most rewarding thing you can do for yourself, 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:08.599 and at the same time, it's a paradox is the 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:12.039 most selfless and most selfish thing you can do because 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:16.120 you are ultimately giving, but you get in return. It's 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.039 really a very simple cosmic law. 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:19.719 I agree. 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:21.680 I often think that I have the best job in 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:22.039 the world. 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:22.560 Now you do. 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:26.520 I come in here and hopefully after two hours people 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:30.159 will leave feeling better than when they arrived. Because people 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:32.919 you never know. It's like making sure you'd ever know 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.599 if the person on that table has just been fired, 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:38.280 or it's just had a baby, or it's just had 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.680 bad news. Good news, was fired by the baby, maybe 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:42.599 fired by a baby baby. 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:47.400 When they take to what did it take my baby 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.320 fired me give me a double you can. 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:51.880 Say to the baby, what would you do if you 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:52.440 were a baby? 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:52.839 Yeah? 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.560 Yeah, the baby would say I would poop my pants 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.760 and then cry, which which right away is a great 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:03.200 thing recommended. I thought it would be good to bring 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.840 you things from my hometown or my region. 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:11.360 Let me let me, let's have the but I'll explain 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:12.720 what this is. 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:13.760 Somebody open the box. 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:19.200 Butter skirt, this is this is from the same state 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:19.640 that the. 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:20.440 Kila comes from. 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:24.400 It's called Sahula, and Sahula was the place my father 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:27.720 used to go to hunt. They would go in the summers. 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.400 They would hunt for large geese and dogs and all that. 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:34.240 I hated it because I hate it because you know, 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:37.280 I don't like hunting. I don't like anybody killing an animal. 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:42.720 I was a very thin and frail little boy, you know. 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:46.640 And and they once or twice they forgot me while 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:52.280 they were hunting. So I was left behind for several hours. 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:59.320 And one time without boots, I worked and a thorny 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.560 mud the landscape for about three hours. 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:03.160 Wow. 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.400 And my father family and said, don't tell your mother. 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:07.560 I said, what happened? 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:11.160 That is I forgot my god, which I think I've 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:14.720 been in treatment for two days on that alone. That 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:15.080 they were. 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.720 But the good thing about that region was this butter 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:22.240 scotch or this is a coheta. But this is a 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:26.320 recipe that a family, the Lugo family, which still makes it. 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:29.880 In nineteen fifteen, they started making because they were short 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:34.520 of cash and they the matron of the family remembered 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:38.320 that when she worked for a very rich family of 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:43.040 Spanish origin, they made this duel said a legend. This cageta, right, 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:48.440 and it was basically milk, eggs, vanilla sugar. 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:54.320 I think so many cultures have Spanish crem caramel. You know, 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:55.520 the French have a creme. 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:57.400 The Cuban maker fantastic one. 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:01.480 Yeah, but it is the exact same recipe from nineteen fifteen. 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:04.400 Is this, and they burn it at the end, so 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:06.600 it's caramelized at the end. I'm gonna, I'm gonna take 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:07.599 the first bite. 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:14.480 But you take it. I can give you this. And 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:16.840 this was a good part of going hunting with my dad. 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:18.040 Oh, they would take this. 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:20.120 It would find me one of these. 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:22.800 So when you have this, what do you think of 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.240 being in the fields with the kid? 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:30.040 Yeah, I'm a kid, and the hard thing is to stop. 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:32.120 This is so good. No, give it to me. 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:34.280 Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna grab a little more. 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:36.960 You know what's so good about it? It's very it's 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:37.840 not very sweet. 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:42.440 No, it's not very sweet, and it's completely natural good. 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:46.200 And the fact that it comes in this little wooden box, handmade, 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:47.480 is so beautiful beautiful. 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.680 Tell me about me about the food from your region. 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:54.520 Other foods from well Mexico's wahaka that you've never had 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:55.520 because you lived in it. 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.360 Like like there are many regions where, for example, their 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:02.600 signature is there how they riff on molay, you know, 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:06.760 so like Wahaka has the black molly, and Puebla has 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:09.760 the more the one that is more naughty, you know. 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:15.199 And then there is Pepian which is the pumpkin seed molley. 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:20.079 And but my my hometown or my region doesn't have 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:21.800 so much sophistication. 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:26.000 We have a great gold barbecue called Beria. You know. 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:31.480 We have a go yeah, go Barbie. I eat it. 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.520 They cook it now they do it. 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.000 In ament on the earth and all that, and then 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.160 for a long long time with leaves and so forth. 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.480 But the other thing is we have a very hearty 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:49.560 soup of oval called menudo. Not really not not in 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:54.320 we have we have a large the largest lake in Mexico, 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:58.960 Lake Chappella. When I was a child and we would 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.280 go there in the seas, we would wake up really early, 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:06.240 like four thirty five am and go fishing with a net. 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:11.080 I love the butterscotch. It's very very good. 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:12.160 You like it? Yeah? 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:13.439 Do you take it wherever you go? 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.600 No? I wanted to bring it with you. 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:21.360 That if you're filming somewhere. I'm sure that you have 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:22.640 the kind of food that you love. 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:26.880 I love not really, but in this case, a friend 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.160 came to visit a few weeks ago. 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:31.520 Do you like staying in people's houses or do you 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:32.080 like that people? 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.280 I hate that too. I hate that. I can't. 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.839 I never feel comfortable no matter how close I am 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:38.480 to the person. 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:39.400 I hate it. 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:42.720 You know, I grew up with my brothers and my brothers, 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.560 my older brother, every time anyone used the toilet, he 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:49.760 would kick the door open and scream. So I have 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.480 to be completely privacy. 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:54.080 And he did not want anybody. 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.000 No, no, he liked to scare people. Oh I see, Yeah, 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:58.600 that was my older brother. He would. 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:04.880 Now he's in Texas, you know the he makes cars, 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:09.640 he restores cars. Yeah, he's a great guy. And we 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:11.720 were talking about regional food. And the thing is I 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.160 lived in Texas. I've been in Texas many many times 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:18.240 over the years, hundreds of times. And I lived in 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.080 Texas a few years after the kidnapping of my dad. 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.840 I know, I'm sorry, So where is your father now? 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:27.240 My father died, but many many years after the kidnam 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:27.839 he came back. 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:29.600 He survived, he thrived, I'm. 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:32.160 Sorry, and you know, no, it's like being lost in 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.840 the on the hunting trip, isn't well. 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:36.680 Yeah, not anymore. 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:41.360 I actually understand perfectly that it's a cycle and if 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.240 you are not good with any part of the cycle, 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:45.240 don't get in life. 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:47.119 Life has the ups and the downs. 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:48.800 And you can't I mean yeah. But when you say 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:49.839 don't get in, I mean. 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:52.160 No, you know, like like like if you if you're 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:56.360 injureds for the good part you're gonna It's a completely 0:12:57.840 --> 0:12:59.600 silly attitude to have with life. 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.040 But think that also comes from your culture of Day 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:02.560 of the Dead. 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:04.839 We're very happy about that. 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.880 Yeah, Like I'm very happy knowing like I can make 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:12.920 a prediction and I packed filmhouse and say everybody in 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:14.640 this film house is going to die. 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.720 And another that I'm being mean is just the fact. 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:21.440 So let's say that you're board a train or a 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:25.400 boss that says death. You can't complain when it gets 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:26.240 to the destination. 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.559 But the person who's died, but this is another conversation, 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:31.920 but the people who left behind. You've had grief, you 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.680 missed your father, you said, it's taken me a long time. 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:38.360 Rick said that death is like stupidity. It doesn't affect 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:41.600 the person having it. You only are people that are around. 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.760 And it does, doesn't it. So you can say it's 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.240 fine and it's part of life and it's it. But 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.440 the person who's left and you know it, and I know, 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.120 I know it's it's not easy, is it. 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:54.840 No, it is, it isn't. 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:58.800 But you know, the culture when I was a kid, 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:05.439 death was so near all the time. It's simply you 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.480 would be walking on a street and somebody would get shot. 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:11.640 When I was going out on a day, I don't. 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.360 We just stopped there. Why would somebody walk down? 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.840 There's a lot of guns. There's a lot of guns 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:16.760 ever since. 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.480 I can't remember when you were talking how many years ago. 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:21.160 No, any year, you take a break. 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.400 And there's a famous anecdote of Louis Monoel going to 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:27.120 Mexico and noticing everybody had a gun, and he went 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:30.760 to the Minister of Culture. I said, I'm surprised how 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:32.720 many people. The only people that don't have a gun 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:33.920 is you and me, And the guy said. 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.160 Speak for yourself. You know. 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:38.920 Well, my dad, when we would go out on Saturday night, 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:42.880 he would say, don't forget your gun. Really, yeah, I 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:46.800 mean I adore my country about all things. But part 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:50.800 of the language is violence. It is part of that. 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:55.000 And you can substract the good with the bat when 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:58.000 you talk about Italy, when you talk about countries that 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.520 are capable of great sentimental outbursts, are capable of great 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:02.280 violence too. 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:03.200 You know. 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:07.440 It is the thing that I find curious now is 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:11.320 when you discuss anything, it seems to be that we 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:16.200 can only accept the mammalian sweet side of our nature 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:20.640 and not the territorial, the predatorial, the savage side of 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:25.240 being a primate of sorts. You have to understand that 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.160 all those things are going to be expressed. And the 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.240 more you push the topper we're down trying to keep 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.760 them in, the more they're gonna spill through the sides. 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:36.440 Well, you could also say that we are we are animals, 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:42.320 but we are evolving. We're better than agg Wells. 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.520 In the island of doctor moraw and I'm gonna paraphrase, 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:47.760 I'm sure I'm doing it wrong, but he said he 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:52.560 watched the animals. This caused the law, and he said, 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:56.120 and every time they mentioned the law, they would mention 0:15:56.320 --> 0:16:00.000 something that suppressed something that was essential to their names. 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:04.360 He says, they're in a nutshell is mankind, you know. 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.120 And I think that the thing is if you have 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:12.040 an open discussion and a tacit or open agreement about behavior, 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:15.520 that's the social contract we all live in. And within 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:20.080 that social contract there are real spiritual rewards at being good, 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:25.600 and I have no doubt there are a spiritual punishment 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:27.160 for not being good. 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:28.480 What do you what would that be? 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:33.640 I think that you one hundred percent attract what you 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:38.160 are if you give your receive. The laws are very simple, 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:43.400 you know. One simple simple law is, if you aren't happy, 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:47.160 you're thinking about yourself. If you're happy, you're thinking about others. 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:51.360 It's very simple and it sounds like a Chinese cookie 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.080 and nugget, but it's from litrue. When I talk to 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.160 my kids, I say, you want to be happy, think 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:57.680 about what you can do for somebody else. 0:16:58.280 --> 0:16:58.720 Period. 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:02.000 Did you grow up with your parents this way? Did 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:06.040 you come to this yourself to yes to your parents 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:06.520 being this way? 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:07.040 Or yes? No? 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.639 I think I think if my friends were going in 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:14.280 different directions. But I like my mother was very much 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:17.960 into the you know, in all the hermetic laws, and 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:20.359 she was sort of a white witch, and you know, 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:23.240 she read the taro for me and taught me how 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:25.560 to read the tarol blah blah blah. She was very 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.960 very interesting in a spirit. But I think eventually you 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:33.720 realize that these are very simple truths. I mean, it's 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:37.000 like when you were young when you say, if I 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:39.919 managed to be out of debt and have twenty thousand 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.320 in the bank, I'll be done. 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:44.359 Then you do that and you. 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.240 Say if I managed to get a handred in the 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:51.239 bank and a house, and so I'll be fine, And 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:54.520 then you keep going, and the more you need, the 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:59.120 less you have. My father won the lottery in nineteen 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:03.320 sixty nine, and he immediately moved the whole family to 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.080 a house that was the most part of the block. 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:10.000 And I could go in the town and I could 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.720 go for weeks magically finding food in the fridge and 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:18.000 never sing a living person for weeks. I would arrive 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.040 at midnight. Nobody would be there saying what were you 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.840 doing out so late? Nobody would say good morning. I 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.600 would ride my bicycle in the house like Danny in 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:32.679 the shining, you know, nobody would be there. And I 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.960 came to a very simple role. If if you cannot say, 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:39.159 honeywere are my shoes? And somebody heard you was to 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:40.000 be that's. 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:41.320 A good lue, that's the honeywaere am I? 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:42.520 Yeah? 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:44.560 How old were you when he won the lottery? I 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:48.720 was about four, So you didn't know life before that? 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:52.400 What was I did? I did I have a what. 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:54.000 Was life before the lottery? 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:56.320 My mother and father. 0:18:56.720 --> 0:19:02.920 My mother came from a family that you know, was very, 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:07.879 very rooted in the region. The name was, you know, 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:11.359 one of the founding names of the city. And she 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:16.080 had about she had. The dowry was about six or 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:19.320 seven houses that they gave her in a row, and 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:25.359 my father used that to create a car salesmanship. But 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.320 we lived in a middle class home. I remember my 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:34.000 mother used to grab the matches came with a little 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.879 landscape printed in the back, and she would turn them 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:38.040 around and glue them to. 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:39.760 A little frame and would hang them on the wall. 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:42.960 You know. It was a very My mother was a 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:44.920 very good cook, so she would cook. 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:48.040 She would cook back then, and I remember the change 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:48.880 when the lottery came. 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:50.119 It was a big, big change. 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:51.800 How much did you wind in the lottery? 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:54.280 He won six million dollars in nineteen sixty. 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:58.159 Wow, which was buying a lottery ticket. 0:19:58.640 --> 0:19:58.840 Yeah. 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:02.040 Well, he bought it with other pe about the whole series, 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:07.080 the whole the whole sheep, and the other people lost 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:08.760 their money and my father kept. 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:10.360 It the decades. 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:11.840 I mean he kept the money that. 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.520 Most of the people that win the lottery lose the money. 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.400 My father was one of the guys that managed. 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:21.720 Did you all eat together in the evening? Did you 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:22.200 have a cook? 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:26.960 Depends on what decade, and it is very in my generation. 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:31.840 All the kids married and had houses within three blocks 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:35.280 of their parents' house, and you ate with your parents 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.159 three four times a week, always on Sunday. 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:39.880 Even if you weren't living in the house. 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:42.840 Doesn't matter. You came home. It was always your home. 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:47.760 After lunch, all the women would go to one room 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:49.600 and the men would go to another room and take 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:50.000 a cs. 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.760 The River Cafe Cafe, our all day space and just 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:06.719 steps away from the restaurant, is now open. In the 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:11.240 morning an Italian breakfast with cornetti, chiambella and crostada from 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:14.639 our pastry kitchen. In the afternoon, ice creamed coops and 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:20.600 River Cafe classic desserts. We have sharing plates Salumi, misti, mozzarella, brisquetto, 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:24.320 red and yellow peppers, Vitello Tonato and more. Come in 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:27.480 the evening for cocktails with our resident pianist in the bar. 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:38.640 No need to book see you here. If we were 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:43.399 going back to the days of the review the pizza, 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:47.119 there we go. What do you think it's good? Do 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:49.360 you want any of you guys want some pizza? Anybody 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:54.240 over there? It's a good cheese, isn't it. It has 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:57.000 a kind of mild but it also this might be 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:58.520 quite salty because it has. 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:00.600 So wood. 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:07.880 I'm really interested about your father, the lottery, the change 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:11.399 in the way that you still ate very local foods. 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:14.600 And then when you left home. How old were you 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:16.800 actually when you left or did you ever leave home? 0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:18.800 Or did you live just around the corner in one 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:19.600 of those houses? 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:23.280 I know I was very very fast to leave home. 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:24.280 How old were you? 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:24.520 Well? 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:31.520 I am about fifteen, maybe sixteen fifteen sixteen. I started 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:34.639 doing makeup, effects and effects and storyboards and all that, 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:36.960 and I would sleep in my office. 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:39.639 What did you eat that? 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:42.560 I cook? Horrible? What I mean? 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:45.200 You could buy a good roasted chicken and it will 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:48.680 last you the week. Yeah, but cooking, I'm a terrible cook. 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:51.159 Did it ever interest you to cook for yourself? Yes? 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:52.280 But that's the. 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:55.399 Difference with an interest and talent. It includes dancing and cooking. 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:58.120 Okay, I agree, And also I don't think it's important. 0:22:58.160 --> 0:22:59.600 If you don't want to cook, you don't have to. 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:03.560 By the way, there is there is a lot of wisdom. 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:06.240 In knowing how to eat how to eat. Yeah, I 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:08.120 mean I think it's what is. 0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:10.359 The wisdom of knowing how to eat well? 0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:12.359 It's like a good conversation, isn't it. I mean, you 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:13.119 want to listen. 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:15.520 What is a pizza telling you well? 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:16.199 To me? 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:19.280 For example, one of the things I value and I 0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:23.520 think is it has a molecular explanation. There are two 0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:26.040 things that I love in food. One is when something 0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:30.920 is slight slightly burned, and I mean burned, not caramelized, no, no, 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:32.040 no fancy terms. 0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:32.679 Burned. 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:37.320 If the dois has little black spots of where it 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:40.440 burned a little more thorough. That bitterness makes a lot 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:43.560 for the flavor. This crust is great for me. It's thin, 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:46.520 it has parts that are really black and and crunchy 0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:52.440 and carbonized in a great way that distributes the flavor differently. 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:55.159 And I talked to a chef friend of mine and 0:23:55.240 --> 0:23:59.280 I was talking about reheated food. I said, why is 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:02.200 it bad? And he said, well, there depends on the food. 0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:07.240 So some foods concentrate and they're good. But most food 0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:11.520 loses all these qualities after cooking. But certain soups and 0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:16.080 certain things with heavy sauces, they can concentrate over over. 0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:20.840 And one thing when my family was in that big house, 0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:24.000 a delicious thing for me, and it still is. It's 0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:28.840 like vicious walls of beans because it does the fancy 0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:32.320 term for cold beans in my fridge, you know, but 0:24:32.440 --> 0:24:36.080 it was really really good. You blended it, you blended 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:38.720 the beans and it came like a very thick, vicious wild, 0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:42.600 very delicious, and you know, but all they were the 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:43.840 cold beans nobody wanted. 0:24:44.240 --> 0:24:47.760 A fond son and mutual friend of ours told me 0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:51.960 that in Mexico, and he's made films about this that well. 0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:55.919 He said that in the United States, when you had wealth, 0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:59.200 you got bigger, you had a bigger house, a bigger kitchen, 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:03.960 a bigger refridge, writer, a bigger car. And in Mexico, 0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:07.880 when you had wealth, you had more domestic people kept 0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:11.320 the house, small, small kitchen, small house, but you had 0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:14.920 more people working iron in that was that the case 0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:15.439 in your. 0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:18.720 Case, when in the case of my father, the house 0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:21.040 got bigger and we got a lot of people had 0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:24.960 both yeah, and but he he made it a point 0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:29.760 to raise the kids blue collar. Like if you wanted money, 0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:31.359 he would say, what are you going to do for me? 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:37.440 Like I wanted a toy, he said, save my older brother. 0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.600 One says, One said, oh, but you know we I 0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:43.160 shouldn't happen because we're rich. On my first at Amorridge, 0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:45.840 you're not, and neither are your brothers. 0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:49.359 It's like back to I want to know why Louis 0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:51.480 but Well was in Mexico? Did he shoot a movie 0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:51.959 in Mexico? 0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:53.440 When you escaped? 0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:58.359 Right around the Francoira he went to I believe he 0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:02.240 went to New York first. I think he came into 0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:06.400 a really bad situation with Theli and I think Dali 0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:10.920 was very pro Franko, very profascist, and he hated Bunuel. 0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:14.320 They started together, but he hated him and he was 0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:17.399 fired from his position in New York because of Deli. 0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:20.520 And I think years later he encountered Ali on the 0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:25.120 street and he punched them, and Bunuel had said very 0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:29.760 famously he said to his friends, he said, if I disappeared. 0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:32.040 Look everywhere from me except Mexico. 0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:35.760 And he ended up in Mexico because there was a 0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:41.760 very strong colony of intellectual you know, left wing Marxist intellectuals, 0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:45.560 and Bunuel landed. He started making movies there and he 0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:49.680 stayed there the rest of his life. And he ran 0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:54.600 a very conservative household. He was very wild in his mind, 0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:57.679 but in his every day he was Don Louise. 0:26:57.840 --> 0:26:58.800 He was a very. 0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:04.560 He ran a very Catholic Yeah, yeah, very you know. Yeah, 0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:08.240 the kids needed to be home at nine. He was 0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:11.600 a very jealous man. He won the traditional roles in 0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:14.399 his family. The wife stayed at home. He went and 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:19.000 earned a breath. It was a very interesting paradox. Such 0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:21.919 a great filmmaker, incredible filmmaker. I mean, I think that 0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:26.640 the thing with filmmaking is your paradox is what gives 0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:31.080 you your vocabulary. People have this word vision, and I 0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:33.240 think it's a hostage negotiation with reality. 0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:36.199 Filmmaking is not dictating. 0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:42.000 Filmmaking is negotiating an image or a moment with the actors, 0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:44.600 with reality, with the sun, with the light, with the color, 0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:48.000 you know, and it's a complete dialogue with what is 0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:49.000 happening in front of you. 0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:50.200 Is an active. 0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:53.440 Is not a dictatorial position? 0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:54.480 To me? 0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:58.040 Is the dialogue with reality produces art. 0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:00.240 And the collaboration with other people people. 0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:07.560 Yeah, I think that film is a very social and 0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:11.240 I think that for people, you have a filmography for 0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:14.560 you is part of your biography. You neglect family, you 0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:17.480 neglect friends, you neglect everything, and in exchange you get 0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:21.840 a family of Andred and twenty people for twelve twenty weeks, 0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:25.520 and you have to treat that those people like family, and. 0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:26.680 Then you say goodbye to them. 0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:31.200 Yeah, but you know it's carnival. It's a carnival. 0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:33.520 You will meet them in another town down the road 0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:36.760 in another season, and you have to accept it like that. 0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:40.760 You know, Carneys the tradition and a carnival. Most of 0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:44.120 the people were outlaws because they were running from there 0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:47.200 around so they would they would say, look, I cannot 0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:49.120 go to that town. I'll see you three towns down 0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:51.760 because I'm wanted in that town because I was a 0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:55.120 burglar or a shop lifter or whatever. 0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:56.680 And they would skip a town. 0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:04.160 The carney is called each other other mo, how are you? 0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:06.600 Because they didn't want anyone to hear their real names. 0:29:06.720 --> 0:29:09.280 And is that like what is it like on a film? 0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:12.840 He's very you know William Friedkin, he used to call 0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:14.000 everybody in the head mo. 0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:17.880 Yeah, I know somebody who was another film director always 0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:18.880 called everybody darling. 0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:21.160 Yeah, well that that was very common. 0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:25.000 That was like darling, Oh my darling, what's my name? 0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:26.160 I don't know darling? 0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:32.240 It was, it was it was Richard Attenborough apparently he 0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:34.000 always called everyone very theater. 0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:35.480 Yeah, it's very theater. 0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:37.440 Well, you meet a lot of people, with a lot 0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:40.680 of people. You have to when you're writing your films. 0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:44.280 Before when you're alone in the room, if you are writing, 0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:45.400 do you write by yourself? 0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:46.200 I tried to. 0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:51.640 Reality is sometimes I like association because it takes care 0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:54.920 of even if you don't like what is being written, 0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:59.080 you know how you corrected and it becomes active. The 0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:02.400 loneliness of the the page is very, very difficult. 0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:05.200 But there are movies. For example, this Frankenstein I could 0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:06.400 not co write with anyone. 0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:08.840 Can we talk about Frank It's like Pans Labyrinth. 0:30:08.920 --> 0:30:11.600 I couldn't co write it with anyone. I couldn't explain 0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:16.960 what I wanted. Pans Labyrinth. It took me six months 0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:20.000 to find the opening image, and once I found the 0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:22.440 opening image. I understood the whole movie, and I wrote 0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:26.200 it in six weeks or nine weeks, something really quick. 0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:32.040 With Frankenstein. I wrote the opening fifteen pages, and the 0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:34.160 studio said, how is it going. It's fantastic because I 0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:37.760 started writing that movie the idea for more than twenty 0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:38.320 years ago. 0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:42.240 Yeah. I thought, this is what I'm going to do. Yeah, 0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:43.520 and you laid the plan. 0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:46.880 And then I wrote those fifteen pages, and I stopped 0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:50.440 until I collected. I put the novel on the on 0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:54.440 the computer, the entire novel, and I started taking every 0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:58.400 paragraph that I liked and then discarding the ones that 0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:01.520 I thought I had absorbed, until I have nothing on 0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:05.240 the page again. So he went through a novel that way, 0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:08.600 and then I wrote, But it took it took a while. 0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:10.200 It took a while too, And. 0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:11.760 That brings us to a monster. 0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:12.440 You know. 0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:14.920 I know it's probably an anathematic for you to mention, 0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:19.280 but you know mel Brooks's I love it, you know, 0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:22.800 and one thing that one of the great do you think? 0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:25.360 So I'm so pleased you say that because I did 0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:29.360 a podcast with mel No it's ninety eight now, and 0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:33.280 for me, one of the beautiful things about Young Frankenstein 0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:35.400 was of course the singing, the songs and the humor, 0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:39.080 but was also there was nobody in that that whole 0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:42.800 trajectory that was a bad person. No, you know everyone, 0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:48.920 there's no villain, you know. And the the loneliness of Frankenstein, 0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:52.280 you know, and the and the creature when he just 0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:55.120 sits on that rock. And so I'm glad you liked that, 0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:58.520 So tell me about you. Why do you think it's 0:31:58.520 --> 0:31:59.120 a masterpiece. 0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:04.000 It is not a pastiche It was something that was 0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:06.600 very dear to Jim Wilder first, and then to Jim 0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:11.400 Wilder and mel Brooks second. Uh is not based so 0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:14.800 much on Bride or the original Frankstin is based much 0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:18.800 more on Son of Frankenstein, which, in my opinion, is 0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:23.560 one of the great movies. It is a very very 0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:25.880 good movie that few people know that the origin of 0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:29.880 the of the assistant's name being igor in the Original 0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:33.360 of Frankenstein is called Fritz you know. But Son of 0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:37.720 Frankenstein is a really interesting movie. It was done by 0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:42.280 a director that was an improvisation on director. He didn't 0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.240 want to be to stick to the screenplay, so he 0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:50.560 would I don't want to lie you know. It's the 0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:55.400 last movie where a card of plays the monster. And 0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:58.600 the director would come in the morning and and say, well, 0:32:58.600 --> 0:32:59.320 what am we gonna do. 0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:00.600 Let's try this, Let's try that. 0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:05.360 The movie went overbodyed, over schedule, but the result is 0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:10.560 very creative, incredibly visual vela Lugosi who was. 0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:11.320 Down on his luck. 0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:15.120 He was out of money, and Universal didn't want to 0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:19.520 pay him well at all, and the director said, don't worry, 0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:23.480 I'll keep you around. And he kept him around for months. 0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:26.280 And the movie is one of the three masterpieces that 0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:30.800 includes many of the part The wardrobe that Jim Wilder 0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:34.200 has is from that movie, The man with the wooden arm, 0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:38.440 the constable is from that movie. Many many of the 0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:41.720 things are from that movie. And the score of Young 0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:45.280 Frankenstein is one of the great most melancholic. 0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:46.680 Yeah exactly. 0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:50.440 You know. The composer Morris, he composed two of the 0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:53.960 most melancholic, longing scores in the history of movies, The 0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:56.640 Elephant Man and Young Frankenstein. 0:33:57.600 --> 0:33:59.680 I haven't when they had it here in the West 0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:02.680 End in London, and I know mel So we went, 0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:05.560 you know, together, and I went, but I think I 0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:08.480 took almost everyone who worked here. I felt kind of. 0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:10.200 I just wanted to take everyone to see. 0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:13.719 Yeah, it's funny, but it's not is making. It's so 0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:16.360 affectionate and affectionate. 0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:18.319 So tell me about your Frankenstein. 0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:21.759 Well, but you know, there are certain tales that grow 0:34:21.840 --> 0:34:24.200 with you and they become you, and then you can 0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:25.799 you know, it's like a great song. 0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:27.880 You know, you sing on your range. 0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:32.040 Nobody wants to sing out of their range, and there 0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:34.840 are two or three you know, everybody gets. 0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:36.800 Up and you don't want to do karaoke. 0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:40.120 Yeah, you know, and that's why I love John Frankenstan 0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:41.040 He's not karaoke. 0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:45.400 It's a new song by the boys. 0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:50.319 You haven't heard about a thing that is universal, and 0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:53.080 I can say that that's what I want to do. 0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:54.080 What is universal? 0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:57.440 Well, there are certain characters that are about ten twenty 0:34:57.520 --> 0:34:58.719 characters in the history of. 0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:03.040 Mankind's narrative at our universe. I'll tell you. For example. 0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:04.919 You know, these are characters that, even if you haven't 0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:08.320 read the book, you know what they mean. Dracula instantly, 0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:14.000 Sherlock Holmes instantly, Tarzan, Pinocchio, Frankenstein. There are very few. 0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:17.360 The Count of Monte Cristo. You now, you know the basics, 0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:20.160 no matter if you haven't read it. You know comment 0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:25.920 Christians about revenge, you know, Pinocchio wants to be human, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. 0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:31.000 So these few characters become the vocabulary of humanity in 0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:34.480 the same way that certain symbols are common to all humanity. 0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:37.600 Dragons. All cultures have dragons. 0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:42.839 The theory behind it anthropologically is that people combine the predators, 0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:47.240 the mammals fear the most an eagle and a lizard 0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:52.160 like a large alligator, and they combined them and they 0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:55.680 became an object of fear vampirism. Not every culture, but 0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:59.120 most of them have it. Ghosts. So these are the 0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:05.200 vocabulary of humanity. And when that character is that big, 0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:10.120 it can be rephrased and it changes value. What do 0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:12.680 I mean by that? Romeo and Juliet, right, there is 0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:15.360 a huge premise. I told you Romeyan and Juliet. You 0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:17.879 say I've seen it. I said, no, no, no, no, no, wait, 0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:22.319 it's an aphavela in Brazil. I haven't seen it in 0:36:22.400 --> 0:36:26.040 nineteen sixty five, the year that they you know. And 0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:31.240 then the specifics bring down the register of the song 0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:33.560 and change the modulation of the song. And all of 0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:36.880 a sudden the song is new. That happens if a 0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:39.439 thing is that personal to you and it's the same. 0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:45.279 For example, most people say I love singing in the 0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:48.560 Ring and I love that song, and you say, yes, 0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:53.719 say it and they know it, but they don't know 0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:56.759 that this was the third or fourth time that song 0:36:56.800 --> 0:37:00.520 had been in a movie since the thirties, know, and 0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:04.560 it had never quite catched on the wave called Jim Kelly. 0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:09.000 So in creating something like Binocchio or Frankenstein, these are 0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:12.400 things that have been absorbed more likeularly by me. And 0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:16.080 when I sing them, I hope you haven't heard that song, 0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:18.799 you know, that's the way you got it. If you 0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:22.520 didn't have anything to add, don't get up. 0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:25.560 Yeah, because we can as a person in the audience, 0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:28.400 we long as you said, to hear the different you 0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:38.040 know you're Frankenstein. If you like listening to Ruthie's Table 0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:42.200 for would you please make sure to rate and review 0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:47.160 the podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts O wherever 0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:55.440 you get your podcasts. Thank you. But when you wake 0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:57.359 up in the morning, do you think about what you're 0:37:57.360 --> 0:38:00.880 going to eat that day? Or when you like. 0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:04.120 One of the things I adore, but it's very, very 0:38:04.200 --> 0:38:09.480 hard to find truly truly expressive is eggs. I think 0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:12.319 eggs are one of the things that tell you the 0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:17.600 culture of the country. The French eggs are amazing, the 0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:21.960 best eggs in my opinion. Spanish, you know, Japanese eggs 0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:22.919 are Japanese eggs. 0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:25.280 Okay, So you're talking about the way they cook the eggs. 0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:31.120 No, you're talking about the quality. All is either musical 0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:35.440 and beautiful or dour. And I must say, and you 0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:37.640 have to guide me in here. I haven't had an 0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:40.760 interesting dialogue with UK eggs. 0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:43.439 Maybe it's been very, very. 0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:46.000 Very We could try and set up that dialogue, but 0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:49.560 it is, you know, it's very tower I think, yeah, 0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:55.160 we'll try. What about the United States? I mean, you 0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:58.200 know that's really if we're going to go for culture 0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:00.880 and eggs, we have to say, have you had an 0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:02.160 omelet in New York or no? 0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:07.040 That's because look, there is one of the most intimate foods. 0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:10.080 Right an egg and egg. Well, let's talk about. 0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:12.920 It comes from the chicken. It does the whole being 0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:15.440 of the chicken going into it. Here we go, and 0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:16.600 if the chicken is. 0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:21.080 Unhappy and sad, and you know whatever it is, the 0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:23.239 egg is a really depressing egg. 0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:24.880 So what do you do for eggs? 0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:27.920 I got to friends or wait for to get lucky 0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:29.719 and go to Spain, to. 0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:32.400 Spain, and this is why I had really good eggs 0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:37.600 in Mexico. You know, there's the wavos divorces, wavos rancheros, 0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:43.880 there's wos Mexicana. There's there's so many ways. 0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:45.040 Is a poem? 0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:48.799 Can you tell the audience what it is? 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:52.760 How kill is? What you do is you chobolic tortilla. 0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:57.600 It can be either dry or fresh, and then you 0:39:57.719 --> 0:40:04.760 soak it in a really good salta with onion, garlic, tomato, salt, 0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:08.280 and you soak it until the until the chili killos 0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:13.160 are soggy, gets soggy again. But it has to be 0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:16.680 the perfect balance. Can be too soggy, can be too dry. 0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:19.680 I don't like crisp chilla killis. They had to be 0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:22.640 slightly soggy, and then you put them on a plate. 0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:25.560 You put cream, cheese and a fried egg on top 0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:27.640 and a side of fried beans. 0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:30.960 We have them, and that's for me to be. That's 0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:32.640 what I miss the most. 0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:36.560 Can make that? Where do you live? 0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:38.840 Mostly Los Angeles? 0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:43.640 Uh and part part of the time in Toronto, and 0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:46.680 you cannot get chila killers in Toronto. 0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:48.680 If you held the Prime Minister for. 0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:55.239 Ransom, you can l a oh my lord, Yes you can. 0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:57.920 Have cream chili sauce. Isn't it. 0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:02.440 Antillo so as you're gonna have domentillo, so so you're 0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:06.640 gonna have red tomato sauce. But in La I can 0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:11.239 have every great Mexican food I need every day if 0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:13.239 I want to, and I often do. 0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:18.120 When we think about food, we think about you know 0:41:18.360 --> 0:41:21.719 what we were saying about sharing about your parents, whay 0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:25.000 you cooked at home, about the power of deciding. And 0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:27.600 it's also seduction. And I think in the shape of water, 0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:30.399 what really moved me was the scene with the egg. 0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:34.239 You know, when the beautiful woman is holding the It's 0:41:34.280 --> 0:41:37.439 just a simple boiled egg, isn't it. It's just an egg. 0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:40.000 Tell me about that scene. Can you describe that scene? 0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:43.040 Because it is an almost it's insane. Come to me, 0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:46.759 isn't it saying I will get this creature from the water. 0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:50.359 That could be frightening, that could be scary with an egg, 0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:53.480 you know, and you can see that the creature is 0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:58.760 coming out of the water and not entirely, but entirely. 0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:03.440 Tell me that the one thing I do every week 0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:09.040 is I hard boiled eggs. That's my my dietary supplement 0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:12.000 is And the only thing I cook is hard boiled eggs, 0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:13.000 and I do it perfectly. 0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:14.960 Okay, tell me how do you cook a hardboiled egg? 0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:17.440 Well, the way I like them is you boil the 0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:20.239 water for fifteen minutes until it's really really really hot, 0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:23.200 and then you put the eggs and you let it simmer. 0:42:23.680 --> 0:42:25.640 Do you turn off then heat? You keep it simmering. 0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:28.200 You keep it simmering for another fifteen and then you 0:42:28.440 --> 0:42:30.879 turn it off, but leave them there. Yeah, and then 0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:33.160 you grab one and you roll it and if you 0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:36.239 can take the shell out in one single move, then 0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:36.919 that they're good. 0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:37.880 Yeah, you know. 0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:41.359 And I do it every week with twenty thirty every week, 0:42:42.040 --> 0:42:44.200 and the first two days you don't want to open 0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:45.120 the fridge because it's. 0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:47.799 Melt like a boiled egg. But and Kim hates it. 0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:49.759 She goes, oh my god, you're boiling egs. 0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:55.120 Go yeah, sorry, but that's my favorite sort of pocket food, 0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:55.719 so to speak. 0:42:56.360 --> 0:43:00.120 And so when you did that scene, I'm. 0:42:59.200 --> 0:42:59.880 The fish. 0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:04.400 Of all I belong in water I'm I'm a great swimmer, 0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:08.200 good scuba diver. If I am in water all day long, 0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:11.799 I'm happy. But also the egg is a symbol of 0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:16.080 two things, fertility and immortality, right, And I think there 0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:22.439 was a beautiful courtship, very succinct thing with her being 0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:25.640 represented by the egg. And you know she you know, 0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:29.200 the movie opens with her putting a timer in the 0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:31.560 shape of an egg and she has three minutes to 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:34.080 find pleasure in the bathtub before going. 0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:37.440 To work, you know. And it's a symbol of what 0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:38.200 is eternal. 0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:42.720 And for me in the movie is you find people 0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:46.759 of relative values except her, that are social values. The 0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:51.240 guy wants power, the bad guy wants power, The Americans 0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:53.680 want to win the space race, this and that. And 0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:58.160 you find a creature that is a god, and then 0:43:57.960 --> 0:44:02.439 they chain it, they to operate upon it. They want 0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:04.600 to kill it, they want to make it submissive, they 0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:06.160 want to make it a thing. 0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:07.680 And then at the end. 0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:10.640 It's revealed he is a god. So the eternal of 0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:13.520 the egg was at play. There's a many's. The way 0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:16.120 I tried to layer the movies is you don't have 0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:17.960 to read them the way I write them, but I 0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:23.000 write them very carefully in terms of symbols or organizing 0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:26.839 the colors and the things to mean something that doesn't mean. 0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:29.239 You have the obligation of reading it that way. And 0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:32.880 that is very much like cooking and eating. When you 0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:36.920 are an audience member in a movie theater or in 0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:39.680 a museum with a piece of painting, you can see 0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:42.480 the piece of painting and say I like it or 0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:44.480 I don't like it, and then you move on to 0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:45.080 the next one. 0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:48.520 If you are an educated you have an educated balette. 0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:53.120 You learn to see the composition, the brushstrokes, the color balance, 0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:59.040 the point of view, the thematic elements, the rendition, et cetera, 0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:01.680 et cetera, and have a dialogue with a painting for 0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:06.000 an hour two hours, depending on your level of sort 0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:09.720 of balete sophistication. Same is true with a movie. 0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:12.799 But I say that my husband was an architect, and 0:45:12.880 --> 0:45:16.719 many of my film friends are filmmakers, And I say, 0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:21.160 you create a work of art and it lasts forever. 0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:23.799 You know, if somebody doesn't like your building today, they 0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:26.960 might understand it in a week's time, or year's time 0:45:27.040 --> 0:45:29.480 or ten years time. Or if you make a movie 0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:32.960 and it got bad reviews, then we might all understand it. 0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:35.360 It makes a work of art, and it's like in 0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:36.760 five minutes and it's gone. 0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:39.200 Yeah, but I don't think it's I don't think if 0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:41.560 ever gone. I don't think it's ever gone. A memory, 0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:45.759 especially if it has a heavy cheese, it never leaves. 0:45:45.880 --> 0:45:48.760 No, No, let's talk about that, because I do think 0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:54.800 I have had a few meals in my lifetime that 0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:58.560 are as cherished for me as family memory. 0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:02.200 And I'm not excited. I'm not being hyperbolic. I mean it. 0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:07.279 I remember very particularly there was a soup in Albui 0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:11.160 and north of Barcelona that was for many years the 0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:13.000 most famous restaurant in the world. 0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:14.600 Yeah. 0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:19.440 Well, one time we went the last night last night 0:46:19.480 --> 0:46:22.200 they were open for the season, and one of the 0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:26.680 dishes which made me cry, it was a soup or 0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:30.400 potato three ways. That was like you were eating a 0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:34.840 souper potato that was your grandma, grandma's if she was 0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:38.279 a chemical engineer. I'm a molecular engineer. So there was 0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:42.759 a molecular density to it that was completely It filled you, 0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:46.000 it moved you with caress you, it comford you, and 0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:49.239 I cried. I am not making this up. I'm not 0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:52.120 trying to be interesting for the podcast. I cried and 0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:54.120 it reminded me of my childhood. It was a full 0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:59.279 rattuy moment. And at the end of the night they said, 0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:03.200 well and they they served the dessert once a crab 0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:07.400 of crem which means that they made a film. You 0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:10.960 know how the milk creates that film on top that 0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:13.719 is just cream, like a skin of cream. They would 0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:17.520 use that to make a crap that was filled with 0:47:17.560 --> 0:47:21.680 another cream. And they were closer and I said, did 0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:23.600 any of those get left behind? 0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:25.120 And they said about twenty. 0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:27.920 And they brought them to the table and we dispose 0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:30.399 of the cref the cream and it. 0:47:30.320 --> 0:47:34.400 Was brilliant, genius, wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. Yeah, food is memory. 0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:37.680 And so when you make a movie, and I do 0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:40.960 want to talk for a few minutes just about lovable monsters, 0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:44.360 because that is something that is very important to me 0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:48.040 because it tells the lesson of life about how you 0:47:48.120 --> 0:47:51.080 love something as you say the other But let's just 0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:55.160 get to the process of making a film and food. 0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:58.040 Do you care about what you feed the people who 0:47:58.080 --> 0:48:00.160 work on your set? And do you mind stuck up 0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:02.000 at lunchtime for stopping work? 0:48:02.120 --> 0:48:04.920 I don't I don't like it, like when you do 0:48:05.000 --> 0:48:07.279 it in Spain. For example, if you should have moved 0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:11.120 in Spain, there will be wine involved. Yeah, and that 0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:13.440 means that the hour after the lunch is going to 0:48:13.520 --> 0:48:18.279 start really really slow, and then you quite never quite recuperate, 0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:20.560 you know, but if you do it. 0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:22.560 My favorite is what they call French howers. 0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:24.480 French howers. I've learned about French hours. 0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:27.400 Ten hours, ten hours of work and that's it. You concentrate. 0:48:27.480 --> 0:48:29.320 There's food on the set. 0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:29.759 But that's it. 0:48:30.000 --> 0:48:31.920 Where are you on it? Have you finished filming it? 0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:33.720 Now? I finished Friday. I finished shooting. 0:48:33.880 --> 0:48:36.480 That's what I thought. Are you going home? Then? 0:48:36.920 --> 0:48:38.840 Yeah? You stayed for this? 0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:40.960 No? And so when will you be back? 0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:41.640 I don't know. 0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:45.960 Depend on the ta kila, okay, but but I am 0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:46.760 in post production. 0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:47.680 I caught every day. 0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:48.960 Where will you edit it? 0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:53.200 I will finish anything in la and then yeah. 0:48:53.560 --> 0:48:55.840 And do you eat when you're editing? You know? 0:48:56.160 --> 0:48:56.719 Yes? And no? 0:48:56.840 --> 0:48:59.680 I mean I have a coffee with whatever is there. Yeah, 0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:03.680 And I have bowls and bowls of tangerines. 0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:04.080 Yeah. 0:49:04.719 --> 0:49:08.839 And I eat the tangerines with the peel, and with 0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:13.080 the peel, I wash them and the peel is so good. 0:49:13.239 --> 0:49:15.799 It is good. I sometimes eat the fruit and then 0:49:15.840 --> 0:49:18.840 I go back to the peel. Never kind of crunch. 0:49:19.440 --> 0:49:25.160 In Mexico weed the caramelized fruit, and I love lemons 0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:25.720 in Mexico. 0:49:25.760 --> 0:49:27.320 How often do you go back to Mexico? 0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:30.520 I used to go a lot, and now my my well, 0:49:30.600 --> 0:49:34.160 my parents are dead, and I don't like every time 0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:37.480 I land, I feel really lonely. 0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:40.040 I mean, it's really difficult for me. 0:49:40.440 --> 0:49:42.040 Even knowing that they took the train. 0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:44.319 And they went on, it doesn't matter because because to me, 0:49:44.520 --> 0:49:50.120 the the parents and the kids leave a hole in 0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:55.400 the universe. Basically part of the universe just caeesars to exist, 0:49:56.239 --> 0:49:59.800 and there's no way you can process. That is tatanmic, 0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:03.040 you know, to the point where if you lose a kid, 0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:06.560 there's no word for you. There's no one you know, 0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:08.680 if you lose her husband or a wife, you're a widow. 0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:11.279 Or if you lose her parents, would you lose a kid, 0:50:11.360 --> 0:50:15.640 you are you are undescribably destroyed. So you know, the 0:50:16.040 --> 0:50:20.600 thing with my parents is I didn't know my father died, 0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:23.640 and I process did reasonably well, and then when my 0:50:23.719 --> 0:50:26.360 mother died, I couldn't. 0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:28.440 I won't to do, but I can't. 0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:31.560 Yeah, but Mexico City is on fire. 0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:33.200 Yeah, that's amazing. 0:50:33.320 --> 0:50:36.359 Now, you know, we should go. The food is incredible, 0:50:37.640 --> 0:50:38.800 the art is amazing. 0:50:38.960 --> 0:50:40.960 One of the great cities of the world, I think. So. 0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:43.600 People sometimes ask me where you'd like to live other 0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:48.200 than London, expect me to say an Italian city. For me, Mexico. 0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:50.040 It was really powerful to me. 0:50:50.160 --> 0:50:50.400 It is. 0:50:52.440 --> 0:50:55.720 As a kid from a provincial city, which my city 0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:59.160 was a provincial city. I still get a thrill going 0:50:59.200 --> 0:51:03.200 to Mexico City. Still on the mornings. The smell of 0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:06.640 the mornings in Mexico City with the wet streets. 0:51:07.719 --> 0:51:08.400 Is incredible. 0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:11.960 I don't think people realize how green Mexico City. That's 0:51:11.960 --> 0:51:14.960 the thing that really hit me was how green a 0:51:15.040 --> 0:51:17.680 city was. The trees. I couldn't see the sky sometimes. 0:51:18.000 --> 0:51:18.440 And it's a. 0:51:18.400 --> 0:51:23.640 City that is patterned after after Paris, you know that. 0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:24.439 I didn't know that. 0:51:24.600 --> 0:51:31.080 Yeah, during the Porphyrio ideas period, the model was Paris, 0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:35.880 the Heisman's Osmond's Paris with the large boulevards and the 0:51:35.920 --> 0:51:40.000 big buildings, you know, and the biggest artes and the Reformer. 0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:40.440 And all that Reformer. 0:51:40.640 --> 0:51:44.240 Yeah, if you had to think of a food that 0:51:44.480 --> 0:51:48.080 when you were needing comfort, not when you're hungry, not 0:51:48.120 --> 0:51:50.680 when you want to celebrate, not when you want something 0:51:50.680 --> 0:51:53.000 to eat for your kids. Is there something that gives 0:51:53.040 --> 0:51:53.560 you comfort? 0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:58.200 Yes, it's such a cliche. Refried beans beans? 0:51:58.280 --> 0:51:59.720 Yeah, is it a cliche? 0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:01.719 It is a little bit. I have it. 0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:04.600 I mean it's to me, and they are not one 0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:08.759 thing like there are at least ten ways of have 0:52:08.800 --> 0:52:13.080 a refright being. Tell me one way that I like that. 0:52:13.120 --> 0:52:16.480 I only drive ones in a in a little stand 0:52:16.520 --> 0:52:22.080 in Mexico City. Is they mix them with lentils. Lentils 0:52:22.080 --> 0:52:26.279 and refraed beans together. And it was so fantastic. If 0:52:26.320 --> 0:52:29.320 you try it in the restaurant, call them beans. 0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:32.759 Okay, we will, We'll call the beans. Thank you. It 0:52:32.880 --> 0:52:33.920 was a beautiful interview. 0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:48.680 Well, darling, darling, thank you. Oh god, you get you get? Yeah, No, 0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:50.319 I'll have a lunch. Why are you kidding me? 0:52:51.680 --> 0:52:54.319 Do we have more glasses? Come? You have some more? 0:52:54.840 --> 0:53:03.480 Do your guys want in tequila?