Speaker 1: Oh, sorry, don't worry. I love the sirens. It's New York. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm very happy that your hair answering these questions because
Speaker 1: you're a player. Thanks, I'm happy to be asked. We
Speaker 1: are both sounding very dulcet, and you notice that so good.
Speaker 1: I was being soothed because I haven't had a very
Speaker 1: soothing morning, and you're right there. Good. I'm so glad.
Speaker 1: It's also the microphone. It's a really good mike. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. But I've got a voice for radio.
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Speaker 1: as well. Hello, I'm Mini Driver. Welcome to The Many
Speaker 1: Questions Season two. I've always loved Cruce's questionnaire. It was
Speaker 1: originally a nineteenth century parlor game where players would ask
Speaker 1: each other thirty five questions aimed at revealing the other
Speaker 1: player's true nature. It's just the scientific method, really. In
Speaker 1: asking different people same set of questions, you can make
Speaker 1: observations about which truths appeared to be universal. I love
Speaker 1: this discipline, and it made me wonder, what if these
Speaker 1: questions were just the jumping off point, what greater depths
Speaker 1: would be revealed if I ask these questions as conversation
Speaker 1: starters with thought leaders and trailblazers across all these different disciplines.
Speaker 1: So I adapted prus questionnaire and I wrote my own
Speaker 1: seven questions that I personally think a pertinent to a
Speaker 1: person's story. They are when and where were you happiest?
Speaker 1: What is the quality you like least about yourself? What relationship,
Speaker 1: real or fictionalized, defines love for you? What question would
Speaker 1: you most like answered, What person, place, or experience has
Speaker 1: shaped you the most? What would be your last meal?
Speaker 1: And can you tell me something in your life that's
Speaker 1: grown out of a personal disaster? And I've gathered a
Speaker 1: group of really remarkable people, ones that I am honored
Speaker 1: and humbled to have had the chance to engage with.
Speaker 1: You may not hear their answers to all seven of
Speaker 1: these questions. We've whittled it down to which questions felt
Speaker 1: closest to their experience or the most surprising, or created
Speaker 1: the most fertile ground to connect. My guest today on
Speaker 1: many Questions is Laura Brown. Laura Brown is a brilliant journalist.
Speaker 1: She's the former editor in chief of in Style magazine
Speaker 1: and executive director of Harper's Bazaar magazine. She started her
Speaker 1: career with Mode and Australian Fashion mag eventually working for
Speaker 1: Harper's Bazaar Australia and Talk Magazine. Then she became a
Speaker 1: senior editor at W and then joined Harper's Bazaar, where
Speaker 1: she produced a ton of the magazine's most impressive covers,
Speaker 1: including maybe her most famous cover from March two thousand fifteen,
Speaker 1: featuring Rhianna in a gold bathing suit inside the jaws
Speaker 1: of a great white shark. It is an epic image.
Speaker 1: Laura's interviewed some of the biggest names, Oprah, Stephen Colbert.
Speaker 1: She's hosted the podcast Ladies First with Laura Brown, dedicated
Speaker 1: to women driven by bravery, kindness, and curiosity. And those
Speaker 1: are the cornerstones of who Laura Brown is to me
Speaker 1: and it seems to everybody else. She has a kind
Speaker 1: of rare creative magic about her and a curiosity about
Speaker 1: life and an appetite for metabolizing culture and making it
Speaker 1: available to all of us, for fashion to not be remote,
Speaker 1: for celebrity to not be remote. She brings things in
Speaker 1: and she she makes them comfortable and beautiful and understandable.
Speaker 1: And it was a great pleasure speaking to her. So
Speaker 1: what person, place, or experience most altered your life. I
Speaker 1: was probably my mom getting to botch from my dad
Speaker 1: when I was five and moving. We were on a
Speaker 1: farm outside of Sydney and we moved to Sydney proper.
Speaker 1: We had a bit of money for that year and
Speaker 1: then we didn't have any and I I think that
Speaker 1: was her bringing me up, but me needing to take
Speaker 1: care of myself, you know, and very much wanting to
Speaker 1: react against, you know, being stuck or not having my
Speaker 1: ability and having money or whatever. So I was like
Speaker 1: working I waitress since I was fourteen, so I could
Speaker 1: buy my own clothes and I could do that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. So I feel like it's having a life
Speaker 1: with one of the person with a mom and the
Speaker 1: resources that you have. But she was always the ongoing
Speaker 1: with a newspaper going read this, read that, like whenever
Speaker 1: I'm on the phone joining out, did you know that
Speaker 1: the trade in Australia is blah blah blah, Like she's
Speaker 1: always so up on things. So a lack of resources
Speaker 1: but a lot of awareness I think read from that,
Speaker 1: and then the desire to get myself up and into
Speaker 1: the world in whatever way that was and get where
Speaker 1: the grown ups were because I didn't have any other
Speaker 1: sisters and brothers around me or that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Obviously I made my school friends and everything. But I
Speaker 1: think that situation. I often think about if my mom
Speaker 1: and dad has said together and lived on this farm
Speaker 1: where I would be. I think I'd still get to
Speaker 1: the same. But I don't. You don't know, do you?
Speaker 1: You don't know when when what happens when you're sprung
Speaker 1: somewhere when you're five years old. There i'd be, you know,
Speaker 1: mega farmer brown number two. I'd be a crap farmer,
Speaker 1: farmer browner, farmer browner. No, I would be a terrible farmer.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think my mom for sure, my mom
Speaker 1: and circumstances with my mom, rather than like that sort
Speaker 1: of mushi my mom. You know, it's part and parcel
Speaker 1: of my mother and the circumstances we were in. So
Speaker 1: what quality do you like least about yourself? Impatience? But
Speaker 1: I kind of like it sometimes in what way, just
Speaker 1: because I want to get things done, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And I don't like a lot of dillydall hate.
Speaker 1: I do love fasting around, Like in my apartment, I
Speaker 1: love a good fat Yeah. I think sometimes I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: not everybody can necessarily work at the speed that I do.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, I think it's more to
Speaker 1: do with alacrity and speediness, Like come on, bullet, get there.
Speaker 1: You come on, I see where it's going. Come on,
Speaker 1: get there. You're standing at the finish line with your
Speaker 1: arms crossed, houghily waiting for everyone else to catch up.
Speaker 1: I can imagine you. Yeah, so I was always a
Speaker 1: bit of a ship runner um. But no, a little
Speaker 1: bit a bit of that, I think, just to be like,
Speaker 1: come on, why isn't this is clear? You know? And
Speaker 1: it's just not giving myself a compliment. It's it really
Speaker 1: isn't somebody going, oh, I just get it and you don't.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not the deal. No, no no, no. But also,
Speaker 1: why don't we Why is that a bad thing because
Speaker 1: you're being impatient with other people? Or I'm just wondering
Speaker 1: because it feels like it's quite a good thing to
Speaker 1: get the answer to a problem quicker. I just feel like, socially,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't, you know, I just added empathetically, you should
Speaker 1: be learned to be patient sometimes. But I do think
Speaker 1: in my business, and I guess maybe in New York
Speaker 1: and everything, I'm like, I don't like mucking around. I
Speaker 1: don't like work creation, I don't like wibbly wobbling. I
Speaker 1: don't like second guessing. I hate overthinking, because whoever overthought
Speaker 1: anything and went, oh, that that's better, that was worth it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like lately I've turned into like some
Speaker 1: sort of like my verbie. It has become like a
Speaker 1: bully in an eighties in high school movie where literally
Speaker 1: the other day I went, I can't stand these weenies.
Speaker 1: People have been freaking weenies. Who is this weenie? But
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's just a lot of weenie. I think
Speaker 1: it's going to think. There's so much language right now
Speaker 1: which has become weaponized. Yes, which is why I'm pulling
Speaker 1: Weenie out. Yeah, pull out. I weaponized my weenie. You
Speaker 1: weaponize your week. I like that you weaponized your whenie.
Speaker 1: Someone had to someone was gonna ladies. It's about ownership
Speaker 1: and weaponizing your weenie. And I don't know, dr F.
Speaker 1: I'd go go to town and up. It's weird because
Speaker 1: like the next of patients and no I can encourage
Speaker 1: you to come up to speed and believe that that
Speaker 1: is actually empowering those people to work harder and faster.
Speaker 1: But as you said, there's a balance with being patients,
Speaker 1: and many people get there in there in time. I
Speaker 1: just get and I'm like, oh it's not working. Look
Speaker 1: I'll just do it. Yeah, I'm not getting it assigned.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: like let's just do it. And we have to talk
Speaker 1: around it for like half an hour, but why we're
Speaker 1: doing it. I decided it's fine, move on. That might
Speaker 1: be a cultural thing though, but it isn't as an
Speaker 1: American thing, like just a bit of Manian And like
Speaker 1: I told you what I mean, I've noticed that Americans
Speaker 1: want a lot of explaining, like talking it out, Like
Speaker 1: I don't want to therapize around a decision sometimes I
Speaker 1: just want a decision exactly. And doesn't mean there's no
Speaker 1: diss on you, you know, there's no diss to the process.
Speaker 1: Just like we're just moving on now, saving my day.
Speaker 1: Not meaning to be mean to Americans because obviously we
Speaker 1: both live here, no, no, but it's sort of a
Speaker 1: corporate American thing a little bit sometimes you know, it's
Speaker 1: not the entire land at all, but it is just
Speaker 1: a little bit of like work creation. And we had
Speaker 1: a talk this straw and we made this deck or
Speaker 1: we did this, and I'm like, I don't need to
Speaker 1: see your deck. I don't need to see like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, I just need to get
Speaker 1: on with it. There's so much to produce. I think
Speaker 1: it's that. I think it's exactly that. You know. Recently
Speaker 1: I was doing a film and rather guttingly, as usual,
Speaker 1: I found myself in a movie with a huge amount
Speaker 1: of music. But again because I was playing the high
Speaker 1: soprano of the Paris Opera. Of course you are. And
Speaker 1: while I sing, I do not sing like that. And
Speaker 1: she needed to sing in the extraordinary way. Ship dude,
Speaker 1: So the studio or arrange you like, I keep getting
Speaker 1: these emails going. You know, we really want you to
Speaker 1: do these, you know, voice lessons. You know you have
Speaker 1: to go with a vocal coach. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not singing. I've got a lip sync Really, what
Speaker 1: I've got to do is practice lip syncing in front
Speaker 1: of the mirror in a foreign language. Yeah, but they
Speaker 1: were so obsessed with but no, because it's music and
Speaker 1: there's vocalizing. It needed to go in this. So eventually
Speaker 1: I just did it because no one was shutting up
Speaker 1: about it. So I just had this meeting with this
Speaker 1: very nice man where we both went, this is sort
Speaker 1: of pointless, but it's really nice to meet you, right,
Speaker 1: the indulgence of like this sort of work creation. Like
Speaker 1: we said, we're going to do it this way to
Speaker 1: a TI TI see, and I'm like already I'm already
Speaker 1: at D And it's the same result. I know. I
Speaker 1: concur I can't think that that is a quality to likely.
Speaker 1: Don't ever give that up. I like concurring. No, it's
Speaker 1: just like sometimes I mean, yeah, I mean what am
Speaker 1: I going to say? What I like at least about myself?
Speaker 1: You know what, that's actually great thing about me. I
Speaker 1: think it's really good that when you say the thing
Speaker 1: you like least by yourself. Actually, by the time you
Speaker 1: finished talking about it, you go, do you know what?
Speaker 1: I think that's actually fucking great. Scratch that from the record.
Speaker 1: I'm perfect. You know, just if you could just thank
Speaker 1: thank you so much, Minny for concluding that winning Wednesday
Speaker 1: over here, fully winning Wednesday, winning Wednesday. This can be
Speaker 1: honestly as sort of matter or as literal as you decide,
Speaker 1: but the betase I've got them new metaphorse, please no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not about that. When and where were you happiest?
Speaker 1: When and where was I happiest? Ship many Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I'm a Gemini, know I sort of have a split
Speaker 1: screen life, if it makes sense. So I'm happiest in
Speaker 1: two modes. And I don't know exactly if I can
Speaker 1: pinpoint like a time, but I'm happiest in New York
Speaker 1: and I'm working with incredible people and we're making something
Speaker 1: amazing together, and I'm inspired by them and I can
Speaker 1: feed off that for weeks, or if I'm in Australia
Speaker 1: literally being poured at by baby kangaroos at my friend's sanctuary,
Speaker 1: I'm completely ecstatic by both of them, and I think
Speaker 1: each one sort of feeds the other, and having the
Speaker 1: option to be able to do both. If that makes sense,
Speaker 1: it really doesn't. I love the idea of baby kangaroos
Speaker 1: pouring at fashion. Joey's pouring. They pour at your skirts.
Speaker 1: And then when they're really young, they called pinkies. And
Speaker 1: it's when at the beginning their eyes are still kind
Speaker 1: of closed before they're Joey is their pinkies. The pink
Speaker 1: is because they're literally pink. I love so literal Australia.
Speaker 1: I don't know it's pink, call it pink. You know
Speaker 1: you find pink, pinky kangaroos and the Great Sandy Desert.
Speaker 1: Because it's sad, simple, we're simple folk. I like it.
Speaker 1: It's very user friendly. When their eyes just open, they
Speaker 1: have very dark black eyes and they literally like animatronic
Speaker 1: and they're like, I wish everyone could see Laura's physical
Speaker 1: impression of a pinky baby newborn kangaroo. Hey man, it's legit. Yes,
Speaker 1: so that's sort of I know it's a hybrid answer.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry it is. It is duality, it's not one thing.
Speaker 1: Is that endemic in your life? Do you think there
Speaker 1: is always a duality around most things? Yes, there is
Speaker 1: always a duality most things. I came from Australia. I
Speaker 1: live in New York. I really mythologize New York and
Speaker 1: I really wanted to be part of that. And then
Speaker 1: as one matures and you start to remember where you
Speaker 1: came from and appreciate where you came from and not
Speaker 1: try to strain yourself to get your ass out of
Speaker 1: there so much so I think more as I've gotten older,
Speaker 1: that duality is there, you know, the ability to go
Speaker 1: between the two of that thinking that the place I
Speaker 1: came from is lesser and not cool and not whatever,
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, And everything had to
Speaker 1: be up here because I think once you get the
Speaker 1: measure of up here versus down there, and you've been
Speaker 1: doing it for a while, there's things you really appreciate,
Speaker 1: but you don't just having perspective on me anything on
Speaker 1: people or things that you have again mythologized and just
Speaker 1: realized that they're oldest people. Do you think that you
Speaker 1: can do that in other aspects of your life, that
Speaker 1: being able to be fluid about the quite literally the
Speaker 1: southern and the Northern hemisphere and kangaroos and high fashion
Speaker 1: that you are pretty fluid? Yeah, I am. I am.
Speaker 1: I can sort of plunk anywhere and be all right.
Speaker 1: And I think they got that for my dad. My
Speaker 1: dad was literally farmer Brown, a dairy farmer, and he's dead.
Speaker 1: He would say that I'm Richard him, I'm dead. But
Speaker 1: anyway he would be able to go to the oscars
Speaker 1: or a gas station or a hospital or whatever it
Speaker 1: is and just be able to kind of find a
Speaker 1: level with people, and I think that that's what I've
Speaker 1: been able to do, at least to date. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's a bit of only child syndrome too.
Speaker 1: It's like, come on, be my friend. I mean, I
Speaker 1: have a half sister, my dad said, but I was
Speaker 1: raised on my own, so I think there's a bit
Speaker 1: of likes younger as definitely a pleaser. I do like
Speaker 1: to get on with people, but I think that that
Speaker 1: you know, if you are in the world, you should
Speaker 1: be able to meet people on their level, wherever it is,
Speaker 1: if you're alive, and not just have your blinkers on
Speaker 1: all day. M It's interesting. I'm fascinated by what makes
Speaker 1: people happy or what their version of happiness is. I'd
Speaker 1: like the idea that it's an oscillation between two worlds,
Speaker 1: and the idea of being able to move easily through
Speaker 1: the world is what makes you happy. Yeah, freedom of
Speaker 1: movement is what makes me happy, and losing my freedom
Speaker 1: of movement is terrifying being stuck somewhere. I don't like
Speaker 1: the idea of that was the pandemic card for you? Then, like,
Speaker 1: in terms of lockdown, let's say not the pandemic, but
Speaker 1: being locked down and having to be in one place
Speaker 1: or was that hard for you or to do? Like
Speaker 1: it because it let you off the hook. No, because
Speaker 1: because it was everybody, or just because it was a
Speaker 1: universal experience, so it wasn't just me being tied down.
Speaker 1: Everybody else was flapping around. So no, I didn't feel
Speaker 1: you know, we felt constrained, but I didn't feel like
Speaker 1: I was. Something was happening to me that wasn't happening
Speaker 1: to everyone else. So I don't know. I just think
Speaker 1: success is freedom of movements. And no, that doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: matter how much money you have, not in the slightest
Speaker 1: or whatever allows you to have freedom of movement in
Speaker 1: a schedule because I just I want to be able
Speaker 1: to go places and see people and or at least
Speaker 1: even if I'm not doing it in life, I'm doing
Speaker 1: it on here, aren't I So? And that's also my profession,
Speaker 1: journalism allows me to do that, and I get to
Speaker 1: meet all these different people every single day. So that
Speaker 1: did help me through the old penny because I have
Speaker 1: all these access to other people's experiences. So I think
Speaker 1: I luckily, I think did better than than some people
Speaker 1: because I had that opportunity rather than just sitting around
Speaker 1: going what do I do now? Yeah? You know I
Speaker 1: had work to do. You did, You had to get
Speaker 1: on with it. I did. What question would you most
Speaker 1: like answered? What question would I most like answered? Why
Speaker 1: does so many people not care about other people? Like?
Speaker 1: Why are so many people are so my opics? Someone
Speaker 1: empathetic so lacking an understanding of others. It doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you have to be benevolent or charitable, or give money
Speaker 1: or be woke or hashtag all day on on your Instagram.
Speaker 1: But why don't people are just looking right now? But
Speaker 1: people who won't get vacs, people who are scared of
Speaker 1: other people. You know, I don't get it. I've always
Speaker 1: found it seems to be a harder way to be
Speaker 1: to not just go X, Y and Z are people
Speaker 1: in finaltle. I just don't understan why people don't care
Speaker 1: about others and don't see people as people. I find
Speaker 1: that the most extraordinary and politically here as as we've seen.
Speaker 1: And cynicism, why people cav there in cynical with the
Speaker 1: way they communicate to people. Fox News, you know, gets
Speaker 1: my blood boiling more than anything. And in the past
Speaker 1: you're and just saying how disposable and how little respect
Speaker 1: they have for their audience and for their minds, for
Speaker 1: their health. And then you know, like Lucalan Modock goes
Speaker 1: off and builds a you know, leaves everybody here to
Speaker 1: be misinformed by Tucker Carlson and go to Sydney for
Speaker 1: three months and buys a boat wharf. You know, that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff really upsets me when it just goes.
Speaker 1: It's a disrespect for people who we may not agree with,
Speaker 1: you know, but like people could have real power, why
Speaker 1: they don't care. You still can have your stuff, you
Speaker 1: can still have your boats, you know, but why are
Speaker 1: they throwing these people away? I couldn't agree with you
Speaker 1: more because I think the dislocation from basic humanity, this
Speaker 1: evolution of a protectionist like spiritual protectionism and literal protectionism
Speaker 1: and then closing borders in all senses figuratively and literally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the evolution of that is them. And I don't even
Speaker 1: mind saying them. I hate the US and them, but
Speaker 1: in this instances them no longer believing that there's anything
Speaker 1: wrong with it, that just looking out for number one,
Speaker 1: and forgetting that you're living in a world full of
Speaker 1: billions of people, and even in your community or representing
Speaker 1: a country, and how how easily that's been stirred up
Speaker 1: in the past few years, and how revealing it is
Speaker 1: whether or not it was obviously they're festering before. But
Speaker 1: I just don't have an inability to just cast aside
Speaker 1: groups of people. And I'm not like a bleeding heart either.
Speaker 1: I'm a pragmatist, but you know, I just to disrespect,
Speaker 1: especially at the moment, people's health. Their health. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean historically we do this right as human beings.
Speaker 1: We do this, particularly when empires are declining, and it's
Speaker 1: like people start grabbing. It's sort of like a smash
Speaker 1: and grab, and I feel that that's where we're at.
Speaker 1: All these systems are breaking down and people are becoming
Speaker 1: more protectionist and more fearful, which means, funk everybody else
Speaker 1: and take care of myself and I don't care about you.
Speaker 1: I don't want to wear a mask. So I'm not
Speaker 1: wearing a mask because it infringes on my personal freedom,
Speaker 1: which will for the rest of my life be one
Speaker 1: of the most insane things I've ever heard. It's one
Speaker 1: of the most insane things you've heard. And yes, so
Speaker 1: that's that's you know, it's a bit bleak out. But
Speaker 1: that is me question, and I you know, I do
Speaker 1: everything I can within my life and my work to
Speaker 1: demonstrate the very opposite. Perhaps that's all we can do,
Speaker 1: but just get a bit wearing sometimes as a journalist
Speaker 1: because you're sorry, that's Laura Brown hitting herself in the face,
Speaker 1: self flagellating, but being flagellated by everything. So it's in
Speaker 1: that when you absorb a lot of it, I can
Speaker 1: kind of get you down, but you try to really
Speaker 1: really I hope there's a balance for that by seeing
Speaker 1: that there is I quote this lovely geneticist I met
Speaker 1: once all the time because he was like, wherever you
Speaker 1: see the rise of anything specifically like organically in the
Speaker 1: world or energetically, wherever you see the rise of one thing,
Speaker 1: for example, if it makes you frightened, let that be
Speaker 1: a trigger to remind you that it's counterpart is present
Speaker 1: as you're feeling that there about rising darkness if you want, right,
Speaker 1: right right, that is literally how the physical universe works.
Speaker 1: Right now, there is the other side, and that's you know,
Speaker 1: and I know I'm very much now it's there. I
Speaker 1: don't know when you're watching Fox News or and perhaps
Speaker 1: you know by the same token. You don't know when
Speaker 1: you're watching CNN. You know you we are. We've become
Speaker 1: partisan and are everything right? Right? Right? I have great
Speaker 1: friends on MSNBC here and whatever I mean. In the media,
Speaker 1: I pay very close attention. But I'm not watching either
Speaker 1: of those sides just to tripally reinforce my own views.
Speaker 1: I know what they are and just sit there and
Speaker 1: everybody pat themselves in the background. Yeah we agree, Yeah
Speaker 1: they I got it, you know, And um, so I'd
Speaker 1: rather just get on with it. Yea. What relationship real
Speaker 1: or fictionalized? To find love? Fear? My relationship with my
Speaker 1: fiance Brandon. Are you affianced? Yeah? Oh my god. Our
Speaker 1: engagement is vintage by this point. We got engaged at
Speaker 1: the end of eighteen. Well that's got a nice long
Speaker 1: engagement like the Victorians. Liked like the Victorians. Yeah, nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with that. In the Kangaroo Sanctuary, we got engaged
Speaker 1: there and then this crazy thing happened globally, wouldn't believe it,
Speaker 1: and um everybody had to stay home and can get
Speaker 1: married and yes, so, but I love him very much.
Speaker 1: What is it about that particular relationship that defines love
Speaker 1: for you? It's so funny. He can probably hear me,
Speaker 1: can you hear me? I think it is the lack
Speaker 1: of ambiguity, you know what I mean, just the way
Speaker 1: of just being entirely yourself and having that baseline and
Speaker 1: just and sincerity. He's a very very very very sincere
Speaker 1: person who loves people, who loves his family and loves
Speaker 1: his friends, very very deeply loves people so much that
Speaker 1: makes me come off a bit bit pat sometimes. I
Speaker 1: like that clarity and sincerity. No, I write these things
Speaker 1: down because I like to go back and revisit them.
Speaker 1: It's so true, though, isn't it. By the time, you're
Speaker 1: not as old as I am, But there is definitely
Speaker 1: a cong seven. What are you? Yeah, well I'm a
Speaker 1: hundred and seven? Thanks very much. Wow, you're look stunning gorgeous.
Speaker 1: But don't you find that when you've fought your way
Speaker 1: consistently through jungles, particularly around love, and every time it
Speaker 1: seems to be a bit different. The notion of getting
Speaker 1: to a place where you recognize love as being clear
Speaker 1: and sincere and unambiguous and unambiguous, it makes it makes
Speaker 1: so much sense. Yeah, I didn't meet by until I
Speaker 1: was forty one, so you know, it took me a
Speaker 1: long time to get to that point. I was very
Speaker 1: single all the time. I didn't meet my boyfriend until
Speaker 1: I was forty eight, so like see, And by the way,
Speaker 1: actually looking back on it, probably wouldn't have it any
Speaker 1: other way because I don't think I would have been
Speaker 1: able to cheers to all of the assholes that I
Speaker 1: dated before, because frankly they were brilliant training ground to
Speaker 1: actually be able to be unambiguous and sincere in love
Speaker 1: she is. It isn't edit life. Isn't edit like that.
Speaker 1: I like it when you speak in like T shirts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're calling pull quotes in the biz. Oh is that right?
Speaker 1: Pull quotes? Yeah? No, But it's like it is like like,
Speaker 1: you know, keep what you like, delete what you don't.
Speaker 1: Isn't that just editing? It is? But I wish I
Speaker 1: sometimes wish it hadn't taken quite as long. But actually
Speaker 1: it's all divine timing in it. And that's just when
Speaker 1: you're like in your bones, you know, Yeah, it is
Speaker 1: divine timing if you like try honestly, forty plus ladies, yes,
Speaker 1: your face to us to fall down and stuff, But
Speaker 1: you are in your bones, aren't you? So I think
Speaker 1: that there's a reason why I'm at brand at forty
Speaker 1: when and you met your beloved at forty that's all right.
Speaker 1: It's quid pro faceful. It really is quid pro urs drag,
Speaker 1: quid pro wrinkle. Katie Couric of mind when she does interviews,
Speaker 1: she calls it instant facelett. She just turns what she's
Speaker 1: doing and she's putting her two fingers at her temple
Speaker 1: and just pulling her I wrinkles back like that. You
Speaker 1: have any I wrinkles. Look at that and now look
Speaker 1: at that. Say no, I'm interested, but also youthful. So good.
Speaker 1: You heavily filtered when you do that. It's quite weird. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: this side to not my best side, though, Katie would
Speaker 1: appreciate this being shared, by the way, just so you
Speaker 1: know it's a good trick. But I'd be stuck there.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to let If I let go, then
Speaker 1: it would all it would all You'd have to stay there.
Speaker 1: Now then you hang up, breaking up, I'm going into
Speaker 1: a tunnel. Goodbye. In your life, can you tell me
Speaker 1: something that has grown out of the personal disaster? Did
Speaker 1: I sound pack to say like you? The death of
Speaker 1: my father was a personal disaster. That soundselfish? What do
Speaker 1: you mean? Of course that is it sounds like something
Speaker 1: that like like this happened to me, but it did,
Speaker 1: but well, it happens to everybody. Ultimately, what grew out
Speaker 1: of it? I think more closest with my sister, My
Speaker 1: sister Emily, who is a dairy farmer, who is farmer
Speaker 1: brown and her instagram is literally filled with cow's uders.
Speaker 1: I love her. Shame with the others. Sorry, I'm not trying.
Speaker 1: My dad would appreciate this. I'm talking about my father's
Speaker 1: sad death, but he would love this. That's a moving other.
Speaker 1: It's iconic. O. God, look at those others. I'm looking
Speaker 1: closer up. Oh yeah, I'm looking at other cam a
Speaker 1: cow's bum and beautiful pendulous odds looking both like a
Speaker 1: bottom and also giant saggy breasts. They are beautiful. Actually,
Speaker 1: I love cows and one of our bonding things it
Speaker 1: was sort of funny. It was like, I joke is like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're a dairy farmer and I'm in fashion. But you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes we both worked with cows gidding. So him dying
Speaker 1: created more of a bond and a relationship with her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I just have to come and go, and we're
Speaker 1: quite similar in a way, and she's a great writer.
Speaker 1: She just has a very different life from me. I
Speaker 1: think this just this understanding of this sort of sadness
Speaker 1: about the mortality of somebody that we didn't think we
Speaker 1: were going to lose as early as we did, and
Speaker 1: then just kind of move on from it. So I
Speaker 1: love her and I want her to come and visit
Speaker 1: me up here. You know, we got a bit stuck
Speaker 1: as well and not sure if I can get home.
Speaker 1: But I think definitely that when something happens to the
Speaker 1: both of you, you know, I think ultimately it's what
Speaker 1: your parents also want, Like that is a very beautiful
Speaker 1: gift for your dad to have bequeathed both of you.
Speaker 1: Is that, in him dying, you guys became tighter exactly?
Speaker 1: Thanks Rachel, Well done, Richard. Thanks Richard, you get a
Speaker 1: siren for that, really getting all the open noises that
Speaker 1: you're lucky that the freaking buzz hasn't gone off. We
Speaker 1: don't have a dormant, so it goes like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm surprised that Bob, Bobby, come, can I do?
Speaker 1: I'm surprised he hasn't lost his mind is that's Bob.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Are you gorgeous? Are you gorgeous? He just
Speaker 1: had a boss, so he doesn't currently smell, but he's
Speaker 1: the worst smelling dog in the history of dogs. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I Bobby to Pequita. He looks beautiful, but
Speaker 1: he's actually he's from a very very bad part of
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. He's like a street fighter who looks like
Speaker 1: he Oh it was street Are you a street tough Bob?
Speaker 1: And he allegedly had a terrible fight with a raccoon,
Speaker 1: which is why he's partially blind. I mean, if I
Speaker 1: had a dollar, every time I've had a terrible fight
Speaker 1: with raccoon, bar mine and mostly in a bar, I
Speaker 1: would have six dollars. It's might be willing on fire.
Speaker 1: I'm really hoping not to hear more from Laura. Please
Speaker 1: do check out her podcast Ladies First with Laura Brown,
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