WEBVTT - Laura Brown 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.800 Oh, sorry, don't worry. I love the sirens. It's New York. Well, 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:06.640 I'm very happy that your hair answering these questions because 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:09.800 you're a player. Thanks, I'm happy to be asked. We 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:14.680 are both sounding very dulcet, and you notice that so good. 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:17.640 I was being soothed because I haven't had a very 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:20.400 soothing morning, and you're right there. Good. I'm so glad. 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:23.639 It's also the microphone. It's a really good mike. Oh yeah, 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:25.640 I love it. But I've got a voice for radio. 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:28.760 You've got it, got a vice for AI on a 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:32.520 bad percent now, I've also got a body for radio 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:41.440 as well. Hello, I'm Mini Driver. Welcome to The Many 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:46.400 Questions Season two. I've always loved Cruce's questionnaire. It was 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:50.720 originally a nineteenth century parlor game where players would ask 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:54.120 each other thirty five questions aimed at revealing the other 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:58.680 player's true nature. It's just the scientific method, really. In 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.920 asking different people same set of questions, you can make 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:05.800 observations about which truths appeared to be universal. I love 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:09.240 this discipline, and it made me wonder, what if these 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:12.560 questions were just the jumping off point, what greater depths 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:15.959 would be revealed if I ask these questions as conversation 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:20.520 starters with thought leaders and trailblazers across all these different disciplines. 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.640 So I adapted prus questionnaire and I wrote my own 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.560 seven questions that I personally think a pertinent to a 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:29.920 person's story. They are when and where were you happiest? 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:33.880 What is the quality you like least about yourself? What relationship, 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:37.920 real or fictionalized, defines love for you? What question would 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:41.759 you most like answered, What person, place, or experience has 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:44.399 shaped you the most? What would be your last meal? 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.200 And can you tell me something in your life that's 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:50.640 grown out of a personal disaster? And I've gathered a 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:55.400 group of really remarkable people, ones that I am honored 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:57.720 and humbled to have had the chance to engage with. 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:00.640 You may not hear their answers to all seven of 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:04.560 these questions. We've whittled it down to which questions felt 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:08.959 closest to their experience or the most surprising, or created 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:13.079 the most fertile ground to connect. My guest today on 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:19.880 many Questions is Laura Brown. Laura Brown is a brilliant journalist. 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:23.080 She's the former editor in chief of in Style magazine 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:27.880 and executive director of Harper's Bazaar magazine. She started her 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:31.920 career with Mode and Australian Fashion mag eventually working for 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:35.200 Harper's Bazaar Australia and Talk Magazine. Then she became a 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:38.600 senior editor at W and then joined Harper's Bazaar, where 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:42.160 she produced a ton of the magazine's most impressive covers, 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:46.800 including maybe her most famous cover from March two thousand fifteen, 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:50.799 featuring Rhianna in a gold bathing suit inside the jaws 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:54.080 of a great white shark. It is an epic image. 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:59.960 Laura's interviewed some of the biggest names, Oprah, Stephen Colbert. 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.840 She's hosted the podcast Ladies First with Laura Brown, dedicated 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:08.160 to women driven by bravery, kindness, and curiosity. And those 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:13.080 are the cornerstones of who Laura Brown is to me 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.880 and it seems to everybody else. She has a kind 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:21.400 of rare creative magic about her and a curiosity about 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:27.480 life and an appetite for metabolizing culture and making it 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:31.400 available to all of us, for fashion to not be remote, 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:34.520 for celebrity to not be remote. She brings things in 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:39.800 and she she makes them comfortable and beautiful and understandable. 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:46.520 And it was a great pleasure speaking to her. So 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:51.440 what person, place, or experience most altered your life. I 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:53.760 was probably my mom getting to botch from my dad 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.120 when I was five and moving. We were on a 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:59.640 farm outside of Sydney and we moved to Sydney proper. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:01.520 We had a bit of money for that year and 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:03.840 then we didn't have any and I I think that 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.360 was her bringing me up, but me needing to take 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.600 care of myself, you know, and very much wanting to 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:13.760 react against, you know, being stuck or not having my 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:15.720 ability and having money or whatever. So I was like 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.120 working I waitress since I was fourteen, so I could 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:20.680 buy my own clothes and I could do that kind 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:22.360 of stuff. So I feel like it's having a life 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:23.960 with one of the person with a mom and the 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:26.200 resources that you have. But she was always the ongoing 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:28.520 with a newspaper going read this, read that, like whenever 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:29.919 I'm on the phone joining out, did you know that 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.120 the trade in Australia is blah blah blah, Like she's 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.680 always so up on things. So a lack of resources 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.080 but a lot of awareness I think read from that, 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:40.520 and then the desire to get myself up and into 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:42.600 the world in whatever way that was and get where 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:44.599 the grown ups were because I didn't have any other 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:46.960 sisters and brothers around me or that kind of stuff. 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:48.960 Obviously I made my school friends and everything. But I 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.039 think that situation. I often think about if my mom 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:52.760 and dad has said together and lived on this farm 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:54.760 where I would be. I think I'd still get to 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:56.200 the same. But I don't. You don't know, do you? 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:58.679 You don't know when when what happens when you're sprung 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:00.960 somewhere when you're five years old. There i'd be, you know, 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:05.000 mega farmer brown number two. I'd be a crap farmer, 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:08.920 farmer browner, farmer browner. No, I would be a terrible farmer. 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:11.920 But yeah, I think my mom for sure, my mom 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.440 and circumstances with my mom, rather than like that sort 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.240 of mushi my mom. You know, it's part and parcel 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:22.640 of my mother and the circumstances we were in. So 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:26.400 what quality do you like least about yourself? Impatience? But 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:28.960 I kind of like it sometimes in what way, just 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:30.720 because I want to get things done, you know what 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:34.760 I mean? And I don't like a lot of dillydall hate. 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.880 I do love fasting around, Like in my apartment, I 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:41.120 love a good fat Yeah. I think sometimes I was like, oh, 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.120 not everybody can necessarily work at the speed that I do. 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.080 I was going to say, I think it's more to 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:50.479 do with alacrity and speediness, Like come on, bullet, get there. 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:52.719 You come on, I see where it's going. Come on, 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:54.920 get there. You're standing at the finish line with your 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:59.159 arms crossed, houghily waiting for everyone else to catch up. 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:02.040 I can imagine you. Yeah, so I was always a 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:03.920 bit of a ship runner um. But no, a little 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:05.400 bit a bit of that, I think, just to be like, 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:08.240 come on, why isn't this is clear? You know? And 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:10.760 it's just not giving myself a compliment. It's it really 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:12.520 isn't somebody going, oh, I just get it and you don't. 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:14.960 It's not it's not the deal. No, no no, no. But also, 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.800 why don't we Why is that a bad thing because 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.839 you're being impatient with other people? Or I'm just wondering 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:23.599 because it feels like it's quite a good thing to 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:27.080 get the answer to a problem quicker. I just feel like, socially, 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.200 you shouldn't, you know, I just added empathetically, you should 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.760 be learned to be patient sometimes. But I do think 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.360 in my business, and I guess maybe in New York 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.000 and everything, I'm like, I don't like mucking around. I 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:40.680 don't like work creation, I don't like wibbly wobbling. I 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:44.520 don't like second guessing. I hate overthinking, because whoever overthought 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:48.240 anything and went, oh, that that's better, that was worth it. 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.279 Sometimes I feel like lately I've turned into like some 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.720 sort of like my verbie. It has become like a 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.160 bully in an eighties in high school movie where literally 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.280 the other day I went, I can't stand these weenies. 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:01.359 People have been freaking weenies. Who is this weenie? But 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.080 I'm like, there's just a lot of weenie. I think 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:06.280 it's going to think. There's so much language right now 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.239 which has become weaponized. Yes, which is why I'm pulling 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:14.480 Weenie out. Yeah, pull out. I weaponized my weenie. You 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:19.000 weaponize your week. I like that you weaponized your whenie. 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:23.560 Someone had to someone was gonna ladies. It's about ownership 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.880 and weaponizing your weenie. And I don't know, dr F. 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.760 I'd go go to town and up. It's weird because 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:33.000 like the next of patients and no I can encourage 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.680 you to come up to speed and believe that that 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:39.040 is actually empowering those people to work harder and faster. 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:41.960 But as you said, there's a balance with being patients, 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:43.640 and many people get there in there in time. I 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.160 just get and I'm like, oh it's not working. Look 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.080 I'll just do it. Yeah, I'm not getting it assigned. 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:49.320 I'm just gonna do you know what I mean. So 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:50.920 like let's just do it. And we have to talk 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.000 around it for like half an hour, but why we're 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.720 doing it. I decided it's fine, move on. That might 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:57.720 be a cultural thing though, but it isn't as an 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.360 American thing, like just a bit of Manian And like 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.320 I told you what I mean, I've noticed that Americans 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:07.400 want a lot of explaining, like talking it out, Like 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.080 I don't want to therapize around a decision sometimes I 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:13.120 just want a decision exactly. And doesn't mean there's no 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:15.840 diss on you, you know, there's no diss to the process. 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:18.520 Just like we're just moving on now, saving my day. 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:22.360 Not meaning to be mean to Americans because obviously we 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:24.760 both live here, no, no, but it's sort of a 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:28.800 corporate American thing a little bit sometimes you know, it's 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.080 not the entire land at all, but it is just 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.040 a little bit of like work creation. And we had 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:34.599 a talk this straw and we made this deck or 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:35.640 we did this, and I'm like, I don't need to 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:37.120 see your deck. I don't need to see like you 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.160 know what I mean, Like, I just need to get 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:41.800 on with it. There's so much to produce. I think 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.480 it's that. I think it's exactly that. You know. Recently 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:48.080 I was doing a film and rather guttingly, as usual, 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:50.640 I found myself in a movie with a huge amount 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.320 of music. But again because I was playing the high 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.000 soprano of the Paris Opera. Of course you are. And 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.560 while I sing, I do not sing like that. And 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.920 she needed to sing in the extraordinary way. Ship dude, 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:04.800 So the studio or arrange you like, I keep getting 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:06.840 these emails going. You know, we really want you to 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:09.079 do these, you know, voice lessons. You know you have 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:10.760 to go with a vocal coach. And I was like, 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.960 I'm not singing. I've got a lip sync Really, what 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:18.240 I've got to do is practice lip syncing in front 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.880 of the mirror in a foreign language. Yeah, but they 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.960 were so obsessed with but no, because it's music and 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:27.480 there's vocalizing. It needed to go in this. So eventually 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.440 I just did it because no one was shutting up 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:30.640 about it. So I just had this meeting with this 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.080 very nice man where we both went, this is sort 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.760 of pointless, but it's really nice to meet you, right, 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.160 the indulgence of like this sort of work creation. Like 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.160 we said, we're going to do it this way to 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:42.720 a TI TI see, and I'm like already I'm already 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:45.400 at D And it's the same result. I know. I 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:48.439 concur I can't think that that is a quality to likely. 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.280 Don't ever give that up. I like concurring. No, it's 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.600 just like sometimes I mean, yeah, I mean what am 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.600 I going to say? What I like at least about myself? 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.959 You know what, that's actually great thing about me. I 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:00.920 think it's really good that when you say the thing 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:02.839 you like least by yourself. Actually, by the time you 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:04.720 finished talking about it, you go, do you know what? 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:08.640 I think that's actually fucking great. Scratch that from the record. 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:13.439 I'm perfect. You know, just if you could just thank 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.760 thank you so much, Minny for concluding that winning Wednesday 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:24.680 over here, fully winning Wednesday, winning Wednesday. This can be 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:28.920 honestly as sort of matter or as literal as you decide, 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:32.080 but the betase I've got them new metaphorse, please no, no, 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.760 that's not about that. When and where were you happiest? 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.800 When and where was I happiest? Ship many Here's the thing. 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.520 I'm a Gemini, know I sort of have a split 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.640 screen life, if it makes sense. So I'm happiest in 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:46.880 two modes. And I don't know exactly if I can 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.520 pinpoint like a time, but I'm happiest in New York 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:51.800 and I'm working with incredible people and we're making something 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:53.880 amazing together, and I'm inspired by them and I can 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.920 feed off that for weeks, or if I'm in Australia 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:01.520 literally being poured at by baby kangaroos at my friend's sanctuary, 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.760 I'm completely ecstatic by both of them, and I think 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:06.880 each one sort of feeds the other, and having the 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:10.440 option to be able to do both. If that makes sense, 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:15.160 it really doesn't. I love the idea of baby kangaroos 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:19.199 pouring at fashion. Joey's pouring. They pour at your skirts. 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.800 And then when they're really young, they called pinkies. And 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:23.920 it's when at the beginning their eyes are still kind 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.760 of closed before they're Joey is their pinkies. The pink 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:30.000 is because they're literally pink. I love so literal Australia. 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.520 I don't know it's pink, call it pink. You know 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:35.240 you find pink, pinky kangaroos and the Great Sandy Desert. 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:38.839 Because it's sad, simple, we're simple folk. I like it. 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.280 It's very user friendly. When their eyes just open, they 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.800 have very dark black eyes and they literally like animatronic 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.280 and they're like, I wish everyone could see Laura's physical 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:51.720 impression of a pinky baby newborn kangaroo. Hey man, it's legit. Yes, 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:53.800 so that's sort of I know it's a hybrid answer. 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:56.840 I'm sorry it is. It is duality, it's not one thing. 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.240 Is that endemic in your life? Do you think there 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:04.360 is always a duality around most things? Yes, there is 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.400 always a duality most things. I came from Australia. I 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:08.680 live in New York. I really mythologize New York and 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:10.840 I really wanted to be part of that. And then 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.959 as one matures and you start to remember where you 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:15.720 came from and appreciate where you came from and not 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:18.120 try to strain yourself to get your ass out of 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.720 there so much so I think more as I've gotten older, 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.760 that duality is there, you know, the ability to go 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:25.800 between the two of that thinking that the place I 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.360 came from is lesser and not cool and not whatever, 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:29.880 and you know what I mean, And everything had to 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:31.640 be up here because I think once you get the 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:33.760 measure of up here versus down there, and you've been 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:36.079 doing it for a while, there's things you really appreciate, 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.560 but you don't just having perspective on me anything on 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:41.840 people or things that you have again mythologized and just 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.800 realized that they're oldest people. Do you think that you 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.160 can do that in other aspects of your life, that 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:50.679 being able to be fluid about the quite literally the 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:54.680 southern and the Northern hemisphere and kangaroos and high fashion 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:58.040 that you are pretty fluid? Yeah, I am. I am. 0:12:58.080 --> 0:12:59.800 I can sort of plunk anywhere and be all right. 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:01.400 And I think they got that for my dad. My 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:06.000 dad was literally farmer Brown, a dairy farmer, and he's dead. 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:08.680 He would say that I'm Richard him, I'm dead. But 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:10.720 anyway he would be able to go to the oscars 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.120 or a gas station or a hospital or whatever it 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:15.000 is and just be able to kind of find a 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:18.240 level with people, and I think that that's what I've 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.520 been able to do, at least to date. I don't 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:22.360 know if it's a bit of only child syndrome too. 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:23.680 It's like, come on, be my friend. I mean, I 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:24.959 have a half sister, my dad said, but I was 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:26.720 raised on my own, so I think there's a bit 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:30.360 of likes younger as definitely a pleaser. I do like 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:32.200 to get on with people, but I think that that 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.720 you know, if you are in the world, you should 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.240 be able to meet people on their level, wherever it is, 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.679 if you're alive, and not just have your blinkers on 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:44.079 all day. M It's interesting. I'm fascinated by what makes 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.360 people happy or what their version of happiness is. I'd 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.040 like the idea that it's an oscillation between two worlds, 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.600 and the idea of being able to move easily through 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:55.040 the world is what makes you happy. Yeah, freedom of 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:59.840 movement is what makes me happy, and losing my freedom 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:03.480 of movement is terrifying being stuck somewhere. I don't like 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.600 the idea of that was the pandemic card for you? Then, like, 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.360 in terms of lockdown, let's say not the pandemic, but 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.360 being locked down and having to be in one place 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:13.360 or was that hard for you or to do? Like 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:16.319 it because it let you off the hook. No, because 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.240 because it was everybody, or just because it was a 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.560 universal experience, so it wasn't just me being tied down. 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:26.080 Everybody else was flapping around. So no, I didn't feel 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.320 you know, we felt constrained, but I didn't feel like 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:29.920 I was. Something was happening to me that wasn't happening 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:31.400 to everyone else. So I don't know. I just think 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.840 success is freedom of movements. And no, that doesn't necessarily 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.119 matter how much money you have, not in the slightest 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:38.840 or whatever allows you to have freedom of movement in 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:40.880 a schedule because I just I want to be able 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.520 to go places and see people and or at least 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:45.640 even if I'm not doing it in life, I'm doing 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.120 it on here, aren't I So? And that's also my profession, 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.000 journalism allows me to do that, and I get to 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:51.960 meet all these different people every single day. So that 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.400 did help me through the old penny because I have 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.240 all these access to other people's experiences. So I think 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:01.160 I luckily, I think did better than than some people 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.040 because I had that opportunity rather than just sitting around 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.120 going what do I do now? Yeah? You know I 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:08.080 had work to do. You did, You had to get 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:23.120 on with it. I did. What question would you most 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:26.840 like answered? What question would I most like answered? Why 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:30.120 does so many people not care about other people? Like? 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.920 Why are so many people are so my opics? Someone 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:37.480 empathetic so lacking an understanding of others. It doesn't mean 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.840 you have to be benevolent or charitable, or give money 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:44.120 or be woke or hashtag all day on on your Instagram. 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:45.880 But why don't people are just looking right now? But 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:47.720 people who won't get vacs, people who are scared of 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:49.960 other people. You know, I don't get it. I've always 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.200 found it seems to be a harder way to be 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.160 to not just go X, Y and Z are people 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.720 in finaltle. I just don't understan why people don't care 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.360 about others and don't see people as people. I find 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:04.280 that the most extraordinary and politically here as as we've seen. 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.080 And cynicism, why people cav there in cynical with the 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.600 way they communicate to people. Fox News, you know, gets 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.440 my blood boiling more than anything. And in the past 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.880 you're and just saying how disposable and how little respect 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:16.800 they have for their audience and for their minds, for 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.360 their health. And then you know, like Lucalan Modock goes 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.520 off and builds a you know, leaves everybody here to 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.000 be misinformed by Tucker Carlson and go to Sydney for 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.480 three months and buys a boat wharf. You know, that 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:29.040 sort of stuff really upsets me when it just goes. 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.720 It's a disrespect for people who we may not agree with, 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.240 you know, but like people could have real power, why 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:36.920 they don't care. You still can have your stuff, you 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:39.240 can still have your boats, you know, but why are 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:41.880 they throwing these people away? I couldn't agree with you 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:46.360 more because I think the dislocation from basic humanity, this 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:51.640 evolution of a protectionist like spiritual protectionism and literal protectionism 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:56.040 and then closing borders in all senses figuratively and literally. Yeah, 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.560 the evolution of that is them. And I don't even 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:00.600 mind saying them. I hate the US and them, but 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:04.040 in this instances them no longer believing that there's anything 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:07.320 wrong with it, that just looking out for number one, 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.439 and forgetting that you're living in a world full of 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:14.560 billions of people, and even in your community or representing 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.560 a country, and how how easily that's been stirred up 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:19.520 in the past few years, and how revealing it is 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:21.720 whether or not it was obviously they're festering before. But 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:25.240 I just don't have an inability to just cast aside 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.560 groups of people. And I'm not like a bleeding heart either. 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.600 I'm a pragmatist, but you know, I just to disrespect, 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:35.359 especially at the moment, people's health. Their health. Oh yeah, 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.320 I mean historically we do this right as human beings. 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.640 We do this, particularly when empires are declining, and it's 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:45.399 like people start grabbing. It's sort of like a smash 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.160 and grab, and I feel that that's where we're at. 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:51.040 All these systems are breaking down and people are becoming 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:54.600 more protectionist and more fearful, which means, funk everybody else 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:56.920 and take care of myself and I don't care about you. 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:00.159 I don't want to wear a mask. So I'm not 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.480 wearing a mask because it infringes on my personal freedom, 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.000 which will for the rest of my life be one 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:06.960 of the most insane things I've ever heard. It's one 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:10.080 of the most insane things you've heard. And yes, so 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.280 that's that's you know, it's a bit bleak out. But 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.320 that is me question, and I you know, I do 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.919 everything I can within my life and my work to 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:20.720 demonstrate the very opposite. Perhaps that's all we can do, 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.680 but just get a bit wearing sometimes as a journalist 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:28.879 because you're sorry, that's Laura Brown hitting herself in the face, 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:33.200 self flagellating, but being flagellated by everything. So it's in 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:34.800 that when you absorb a lot of it, I can 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.119 kind of get you down, but you try to really 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.000 really I hope there's a balance for that by seeing 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.880 that there is I quote this lovely geneticist I met 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:44.960 once all the time because he was like, wherever you 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:48.240 see the rise of anything specifically like organically in the 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:51.320 world or energetically, wherever you see the rise of one thing, 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:53.919 for example, if it makes you frightened, let that be 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:57.960 a trigger to remind you that it's counterpart is present 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:02.919 as you're feeling that there about rising darkness if you want, right, 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.400 right right, that is literally how the physical universe works. 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.159 Right now, there is the other side, and that's you know, 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:10.520 and I know I'm very much now it's there. I 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:13.199 don't know when you're watching Fox News or and perhaps 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:15.159 you know by the same token. You don't know when 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.000 you're watching CNN. You know you we are. We've become 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.880 partisan and are everything right? Right? Right? I have great 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:24.920 friends on MSNBC here and whatever I mean. In the media, 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.760 I pay very close attention. But I'm not watching either 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.560 of those sides just to tripally reinforce my own views. 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:32.159 I know what they are and just sit there and 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.880 everybody pat themselves in the background. Yeah we agree, Yeah 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.960 they I got it, you know, And um, so I'd 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:55.359 rather just get on with it. Yea. What relationship real 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:59.520 or fictionalized? To find love? Fear? My relationship with my 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:04.359 fiance Brandon. Are you affianced? Yeah? Oh my god. Our 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:06.600 engagement is vintage by this point. We got engaged at 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:10.200 the end of eighteen. Well that's got a nice long 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:14.520 engagement like the Victorians. Liked like the Victorians. Yeah, nothing 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.639