1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Oh, sorry, don't worry. I love the sirens. It's New York. Well, 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: I'm very happy that your hair answering these questions because 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: you're a player. Thanks, I'm happy to be asked. We 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: are both sounding very dulcet, and you notice that so good. 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: I was being soothed because I haven't had a very 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: soothing morning, and you're right there. Good. I'm so glad. 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 1: It's also the microphone. It's a really good mike. Oh yeah, 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: I love it. But I've got a voice for radio. 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: You've got it, got a vice for AI on a 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: bad percent now, I've also got a body for radio 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: as well. Hello, I'm Mini Driver. Welcome to The Many 12 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: Questions Season two. I've always loved Cruce's questionnaire. It was 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: originally a nineteenth century parlor game where players would ask 14 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: each other thirty five questions aimed at revealing the other 15 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: player's true nature. It's just the scientific method, really. In 16 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: asking different people same set of questions, you can make 17 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: observations about which truths appeared to be universal. I love 18 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: this discipline, and it made me wonder, what if these 19 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: questions were just the jumping off point, what greater depths 20 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: would be revealed if I ask these questions as conversation 21 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: starters with thought leaders and trailblazers across all these different disciplines. 22 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: So I adapted prus questionnaire and I wrote my own 23 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: seven questions that I personally think a pertinent to a 24 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: person's story. They are when and where were you happiest? 25 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: What is the quality you like least about yourself? What relationship, 26 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: real or fictionalized, defines love for you? What question would 27 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: you most like answered, What person, place, or experience has 28 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: shaped you the most? What would be your last meal? 29 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: And can you tell me something in your life that's 30 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: grown out of a personal disaster? And I've gathered a 31 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: group of really remarkable people, ones that I am honored 32 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: and humbled to have had the chance to engage with. 33 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: You may not hear their answers to all seven of 34 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: these questions. We've whittled it down to which questions felt 35 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: closest to their experience or the most surprising, or created 36 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: the most fertile ground to connect. My guest today on 37 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: many Questions is Laura Brown. Laura Brown is a brilliant journalist. 38 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: She's the former editor in chief of in Style magazine 39 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: and executive director of Harper's Bazaar magazine. She started her 40 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: career with Mode and Australian Fashion mag eventually working for 41 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: Harper's Bazaar Australia and Talk Magazine. Then she became a 42 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: senior editor at W and then joined Harper's Bazaar, where 43 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: she produced a ton of the magazine's most impressive covers, 44 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: including maybe her most famous cover from March two thousand fifteen, 45 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: featuring Rhianna in a gold bathing suit inside the jaws 46 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: of a great white shark. It is an epic image. 47 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: Laura's interviewed some of the biggest names, Oprah, Stephen Colbert. 48 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: She's hosted the podcast Ladies First with Laura Brown, dedicated 49 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: to women driven by bravery, kindness, and curiosity. And those 50 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: are the cornerstones of who Laura Brown is to me 51 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: and it seems to everybody else. She has a kind 52 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: of rare creative magic about her and a curiosity about 53 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: life and an appetite for metabolizing culture and making it 54 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: available to all of us, for fashion to not be remote, 55 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: for celebrity to not be remote. She brings things in 56 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: and she she makes them comfortable and beautiful and understandable. 57 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: And it was a great pleasure speaking to her. So 58 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: what person, place, or experience most altered your life. I 59 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: was probably my mom getting to botch from my dad 60 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: when I was five and moving. We were on a 61 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: farm outside of Sydney and we moved to Sydney proper. 62 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: We had a bit of money for that year and 63 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: then we didn't have any and I I think that 64 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: was her bringing me up, but me needing to take 65 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: care of myself, you know, and very much wanting to 66 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: react against, you know, being stuck or not having my 67 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: ability and having money or whatever. So I was like 68 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: working I waitress since I was fourteen, so I could 69 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: buy my own clothes and I could do that kind 70 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: of stuff. So I feel like it's having a life 71 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: with one of the person with a mom and the 72 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: resources that you have. But she was always the ongoing 73 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: with a newspaper going read this, read that, like whenever 74 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: I'm on the phone joining out, did you know that 75 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: the trade in Australia is blah blah blah, Like she's 76 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: always so up on things. So a lack of resources 77 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: but a lot of awareness I think read from that, 78 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: and then the desire to get myself up and into 79 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: the world in whatever way that was and get where 80 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: the grown ups were because I didn't have any other 81 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: sisters and brothers around me or that kind of stuff. 82 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: Obviously I made my school friends and everything. But I 83 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: think that situation. I often think about if my mom 84 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: and dad has said together and lived on this farm 85 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: where I would be. I think I'd still get to 86 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: the same. But I don't. You don't know, do you? 87 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,679 Speaker 1: You don't know when when what happens when you're sprung 88 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: somewhere when you're five years old. There i'd be, you know, 89 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: mega farmer brown number two. I'd be a crap farmer, 90 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: farmer browner, farmer browner. No, I would be a terrible farmer. 91 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think my mom for sure, my mom 92 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: and circumstances with my mom, rather than like that sort 93 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: of mushi my mom. You know, it's part and parcel 94 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: of my mother and the circumstances we were in. So 95 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: what quality do you like least about yourself? Impatience? But 96 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: I kind of like it sometimes in what way, just 97 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: because I want to get things done, you know what 98 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: I mean? And I don't like a lot of dillydall hate. 99 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: I do love fasting around, Like in my apartment, I 100 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: love a good fat Yeah. I think sometimes I was like, oh, 101 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: not everybody can necessarily work at the speed that I do. 102 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: I was going to say, I think it's more to 103 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: do with alacrity and speediness, Like come on, bullet, get there. 104 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: You come on, I see where it's going. Come on, 105 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: get there. You're standing at the finish line with your 106 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: arms crossed, houghily waiting for everyone else to catch up. 107 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: I can imagine you. Yeah, so I was always a 108 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: bit of a ship runner um. But no, a little 109 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: bit a bit of that, I think, just to be like, 110 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: come on, why isn't this is clear? You know? And 111 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: it's just not giving myself a compliment. It's it really 112 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: isn't somebody going, oh, I just get it and you don't. 113 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: It's not it's not the deal. No, no no, no. But also, 114 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: why don't we Why is that a bad thing because 115 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: you're being impatient with other people? Or I'm just wondering 116 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: because it feels like it's quite a good thing to 117 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: get the answer to a problem quicker. I just feel like, socially, 118 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: you shouldn't, you know, I just added empathetically, you should 119 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: be learned to be patient sometimes. But I do think 120 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: in my business, and I guess maybe in New York 121 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: and everything, I'm like, I don't like mucking around. I 122 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: don't like work creation, I don't like wibbly wobbling. I 123 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: don't like second guessing. I hate overthinking, because whoever overthought 124 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: anything and went, oh, that that's better, that was worth it. 125 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like lately I've turned into like some 126 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: sort of like my verbie. It has become like a 127 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: bully in an eighties in high school movie where literally 128 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: the other day I went, I can't stand these weenies. 129 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: People have been freaking weenies. Who is this weenie? But 130 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, there's just a lot of weenie. I think 131 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: it's going to think. There's so much language right now 132 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,239 Speaker 1: which has become weaponized. Yes, which is why I'm pulling 133 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: Weenie out. Yeah, pull out. I weaponized my weenie. You 134 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: weaponize your week. I like that you weaponized your whenie. 135 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: Someone had to someone was gonna ladies. It's about ownership 136 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: and weaponizing your weenie. And I don't know, dr F. 137 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: I'd go go to town and up. It's weird because 138 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: like the next of patients and no I can encourage 139 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: you to come up to speed and believe that that 140 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: is actually empowering those people to work harder and faster. 141 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: But as you said, there's a balance with being patients, 142 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: and many people get there in there in time. I 143 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: just get and I'm like, oh it's not working. Look 144 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: I'll just do it. Yeah, I'm not getting it assigned. 145 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do you know what I mean. So 146 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: like let's just do it. And we have to talk 147 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: around it for like half an hour, but why we're 148 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: doing it. I decided it's fine, move on. That might 149 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: be a cultural thing though, but it isn't as an 150 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: American thing, like just a bit of Manian And like 151 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: I told you what I mean, I've noticed that Americans 152 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: want a lot of explaining, like talking it out, Like 153 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to therapize around a decision sometimes I 154 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: just want a decision exactly. And doesn't mean there's no 155 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: diss on you, you know, there's no diss to the process. 156 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: Just like we're just moving on now, saving my day. 157 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: Not meaning to be mean to Americans because obviously we 158 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: both live here, no, no, but it's sort of a 159 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: corporate American thing a little bit sometimes you know, it's 160 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: not the entire land at all, but it is just 161 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: a little bit of like work creation. And we had 162 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,599 Speaker 1: a talk this straw and we made this deck or 163 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: we did this, and I'm like, I don't need to 164 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: see your deck. I don't need to see like you 165 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, I just need to get 166 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: on with it. There's so much to produce. I think 167 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: it's that. I think it's exactly that. You know. Recently 168 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: I was doing a film and rather guttingly, as usual, 169 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: I found myself in a movie with a huge amount 170 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: of music. But again because I was playing the high 171 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: soprano of the Paris Opera. Of course you are. And 172 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: while I sing, I do not sing like that. And 173 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: she needed to sing in the extraordinary way. Ship dude, 174 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: So the studio or arrange you like, I keep getting 175 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: these emails going. You know, we really want you to 176 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: do these, you know, voice lessons. You know you have 177 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: to go with a vocal coach. And I was like, 178 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: I'm not singing. I've got a lip sync Really, what 179 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: I've got to do is practice lip syncing in front 180 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: of the mirror in a foreign language. Yeah, but they 181 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: were so obsessed with but no, because it's music and 182 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: there's vocalizing. It needed to go in this. So eventually 183 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: I just did it because no one was shutting up 184 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: about it. So I just had this meeting with this 185 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: very nice man where we both went, this is sort 186 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: of pointless, but it's really nice to meet you, right, 187 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: the indulgence of like this sort of work creation. Like 188 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: we said, we're going to do it this way to 189 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: a TI TI see, and I'm like already I'm already 190 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: at D And it's the same result. I know. I 191 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: concur I can't think that that is a quality to likely. 192 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: Don't ever give that up. I like concurring. No, it's 193 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: just like sometimes I mean, yeah, I mean what am 194 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: I going to say? What I like at least about myself? 195 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 1: You know what, that's actually great thing about me. I 196 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: think it's really good that when you say the thing 197 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: you like least by yourself. Actually, by the time you 198 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: finished talking about it, you go, do you know what? 199 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: I think that's actually fucking great. Scratch that from the record. 200 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: I'm perfect. You know, just if you could just thank 201 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: thank you so much, Minny for concluding that winning Wednesday 202 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: over here, fully winning Wednesday, winning Wednesday. This can be 203 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: honestly as sort of matter or as literal as you decide, 204 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: but the betase I've got them new metaphorse, please no, no, 205 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: that's not about that. When and where were you happiest? 206 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: When and where was I happiest? Ship many Here's the thing. 207 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: I'm a Gemini, know I sort of have a split 208 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: screen life, if it makes sense. So I'm happiest in 209 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: two modes. And I don't know exactly if I can 210 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: pinpoint like a time, but I'm happiest in New York 211 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: and I'm working with incredible people and we're making something 212 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: amazing together, and I'm inspired by them and I can 213 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: feed off that for weeks, or if I'm in Australia 214 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: literally being poured at by baby kangaroos at my friend's sanctuary, 215 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: I'm completely ecstatic by both of them, and I think 216 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: each one sort of feeds the other, and having the 217 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: option to be able to do both. If that makes sense, 218 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: it really doesn't. I love the idea of baby kangaroos 219 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: pouring at fashion. Joey's pouring. They pour at your skirts. 220 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: And then when they're really young, they called pinkies. And 221 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: it's when at the beginning their eyes are still kind 222 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: of closed before they're Joey is their pinkies. The pink 223 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: is because they're literally pink. I love so literal Australia. 224 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: I don't know it's pink, call it pink. You know 225 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: you find pink, pinky kangaroos and the Great Sandy Desert. 226 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 1: Because it's sad, simple, we're simple folk. I like it. 227 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: It's very user friendly. When their eyes just open, they 228 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: have very dark black eyes and they literally like animatronic 229 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: and they're like, I wish everyone could see Laura's physical 230 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: impression of a pinky baby newborn kangaroo. Hey man, it's legit. Yes, 231 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: so that's sort of I know it's a hybrid answer. 232 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: I'm sorry it is. It is duality, it's not one thing. 233 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: Is that endemic in your life? Do you think there 234 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: is always a duality around most things? Yes, there is 235 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: always a duality most things. I came from Australia. I 236 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: live in New York. I really mythologize New York and 237 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: I really wanted to be part of that. And then 238 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: as one matures and you start to remember where you 239 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: came from and appreciate where you came from and not 240 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: try to strain yourself to get your ass out of 241 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: there so much so I think more as I've gotten older, 242 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: that duality is there, you know, the ability to go 243 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: between the two of that thinking that the place I 244 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: came from is lesser and not cool and not whatever, 245 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, And everything had to 246 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: be up here because I think once you get the 247 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: measure of up here versus down there, and you've been 248 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: doing it for a while, there's things you really appreciate, 249 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: but you don't just having perspective on me anything on 250 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: people or things that you have again mythologized and just 251 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: realized that they're oldest people. Do you think that you 252 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: can do that in other aspects of your life, that 253 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: being able to be fluid about the quite literally the 254 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: southern and the Northern hemisphere and kangaroos and high fashion 255 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: that you are pretty fluid? Yeah, I am. I am. 256 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: I can sort of plunk anywhere and be all right. 257 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: And I think they got that for my dad. My 258 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: dad was literally farmer Brown, a dairy farmer, and he's dead. 259 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: He would say that I'm Richard him, I'm dead. But 260 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: anyway he would be able to go to the oscars 261 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: or a gas station or a hospital or whatever it 262 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: is and just be able to kind of find a 263 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: level with people, and I think that that's what I've 264 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: been able to do, at least to date. I don't 265 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: know if it's a bit of only child syndrome too. 266 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: It's like, come on, be my friend. I mean, I 267 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: have a half sister, my dad said, but I was 268 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: raised on my own, so I think there's a bit 269 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: of likes younger as definitely a pleaser. I do like 270 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: to get on with people, but I think that that 271 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: you know, if you are in the world, you should 272 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: be able to meet people on their level, wherever it is, 273 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: if you're alive, and not just have your blinkers on 274 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: all day. M It's interesting. I'm fascinated by what makes 275 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: people happy or what their version of happiness is. I'd 276 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: like the idea that it's an oscillation between two worlds, 277 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: and the idea of being able to move easily through 278 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: the world is what makes you happy. Yeah, freedom of 279 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: movement is what makes me happy, and losing my freedom 280 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: of movement is terrifying being stuck somewhere. I don't like 281 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: the idea of that was the pandemic card for you? Then, like, 282 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: in terms of lockdown, let's say not the pandemic, but 283 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: being locked down and having to be in one place 284 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: or was that hard for you or to do? Like 285 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 1: it because it let you off the hook. No, because 286 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: because it was everybody, or just because it was a 287 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: universal experience, so it wasn't just me being tied down. 288 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: Everybody else was flapping around. So no, I didn't feel 289 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: you know, we felt constrained, but I didn't feel like 290 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: I was. Something was happening to me that wasn't happening 291 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: to everyone else. So I don't know. I just think 292 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: success is freedom of movements. And no, that doesn't necessarily 293 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,119 Speaker 1: matter how much money you have, not in the slightest 294 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: or whatever allows you to have freedom of movement in 295 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: a schedule because I just I want to be able 296 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: to go places and see people and or at least 297 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: even if I'm not doing it in life, I'm doing 298 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: it on here, aren't I So? And that's also my profession, 299 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: journalism allows me to do that, and I get to 300 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: meet all these different people every single day. So that 301 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: did help me through the old penny because I have 302 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: all these access to other people's experiences. So I think 303 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: I luckily, I think did better than than some people 304 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: because I had that opportunity rather than just sitting around 305 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: going what do I do now? Yeah? You know I 306 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: had work to do. You did, You had to get 307 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: on with it. I did. What question would you most 308 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: like answered? What question would I most like answered? Why 309 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: does so many people not care about other people? Like? 310 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: Why are so many people are so my opics? Someone 311 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: empathetic so lacking an understanding of others. It doesn't mean 312 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: you have to be benevolent or charitable, or give money 313 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: or be woke or hashtag all day on on your Instagram. 314 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: But why don't people are just looking right now? But 315 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: people who won't get vacs, people who are scared of 316 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: other people. You know, I don't get it. I've always 317 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: found it seems to be a harder way to be 318 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: to not just go X, Y and Z are people 319 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: in finaltle. I just don't understan why people don't care 320 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: about others and don't see people as people. I find 321 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: that the most extraordinary and politically here as as we've seen. 322 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: And cynicism, why people cav there in cynical with the 323 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: way they communicate to people. Fox News, you know, gets 324 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: my blood boiling more than anything. And in the past 325 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: you're and just saying how disposable and how little respect 326 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: they have for their audience and for their minds, for 327 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: their health. And then you know, like Lucalan Modock goes 328 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: off and builds a you know, leaves everybody here to 329 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: be misinformed by Tucker Carlson and go to Sydney for 330 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: three months and buys a boat wharf. You know, that 331 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: sort of stuff really upsets me when it just goes. 332 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: It's a disrespect for people who we may not agree with, 333 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: you know, but like people could have real power, why 334 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: they don't care. You still can have your stuff, you 335 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: can still have your boats, you know, but why are 336 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: they throwing these people away? I couldn't agree with you 337 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: more because I think the dislocation from basic humanity, this 338 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: evolution of a protectionist like spiritual protectionism and literal protectionism 339 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: and then closing borders in all senses figuratively and literally. Yeah, 340 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: the evolution of that is them. And I don't even 341 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: mind saying them. I hate the US and them, but 342 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: in this instances them no longer believing that there's anything 343 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: wrong with it, that just looking out for number one, 344 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 1: and forgetting that you're living in a world full of 345 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: billions of people, and even in your community or representing 346 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: a country, and how how easily that's been stirred up 347 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: in the past few years, and how revealing it is 348 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: whether or not it was obviously they're festering before. But 349 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: I just don't have an inability to just cast aside 350 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: groups of people. And I'm not like a bleeding heart either. 351 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: I'm a pragmatist, but you know, I just to disrespect, 352 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: especially at the moment, people's health. Their health. Oh yeah, 353 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: I mean historically we do this right as human beings. 354 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: We do this, particularly when empires are declining, and it's 355 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: like people start grabbing. It's sort of like a smash 356 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: and grab, and I feel that that's where we're at. 357 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: All these systems are breaking down and people are becoming 358 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: more protectionist and more fearful, which means, funk everybody else 359 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: and take care of myself and I don't care about you. 360 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: I don't want to wear a mask. So I'm not 361 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: wearing a mask because it infringes on my personal freedom, 362 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: which will for the rest of my life be one 363 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: of the most insane things I've ever heard. It's one 364 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: of the most insane things you've heard. And yes, so 365 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: that's that's you know, it's a bit bleak out. But 366 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: that is me question, and I you know, I do 367 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: everything I can within my life and my work to 368 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: demonstrate the very opposite. Perhaps that's all we can do, 369 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: but just get a bit wearing sometimes as a journalist 370 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: because you're sorry, that's Laura Brown hitting herself in the face, 371 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: self flagellating, but being flagellated by everything. So it's in 372 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: that when you absorb a lot of it, I can 373 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: kind of get you down, but you try to really 374 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: really I hope there's a balance for that by seeing 375 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: that there is I quote this lovely geneticist I met 376 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: once all the time because he was like, wherever you 377 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: see the rise of anything specifically like organically in the 378 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: world or energetically, wherever you see the rise of one thing, 379 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: for example, if it makes you frightened, let that be 380 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: a trigger to remind you that it's counterpart is present 381 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: as you're feeling that there about rising darkness if you want, right, 382 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: right right, that is literally how the physical universe works. 383 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: Right now, there is the other side, and that's you know, 384 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: and I know I'm very much now it's there. I 385 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: don't know when you're watching Fox News or and perhaps 386 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: you know by the same token. You don't know when 387 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: you're watching CNN. You know you we are. We've become 388 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: partisan and are everything right? Right? Right? I have great 389 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: friends on MSNBC here and whatever I mean. In the media, 390 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: I pay very close attention. But I'm not watching either 391 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: of those sides just to tripally reinforce my own views. 392 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: I know what they are and just sit there and 393 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: everybody pat themselves in the background. Yeah we agree, Yeah 394 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: they I got it, you know, And um, so I'd 395 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: rather just get on with it. Yea. What relationship real 396 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: or fictionalized? To find love? Fear? My relationship with my 397 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: fiance Brandon. Are you affianced? Yeah? Oh my god. Our 398 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: engagement is vintage by this point. We got engaged at 399 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: the end of eighteen. Well that's got a nice long 400 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: engagement like the Victorians. Liked like the Victorians. Yeah, nothing 401 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: wrong with that. In the Kangaroo Sanctuary, we got engaged 402 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: there and then this crazy thing happened globally, wouldn't believe it, 403 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: and um everybody had to stay home and can get 404 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: married and yes, so, but I love him very much. 405 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: What is it about that particular relationship that defines love 406 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: for you? It's so funny. He can probably hear me, 407 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: can you hear me? I think it is the lack 408 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: of ambiguity, you know what I mean, just the way 409 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: of just being entirely yourself and having that baseline and 410 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: just and sincerity. He's a very very very very sincere 411 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: person who loves people, who loves his family and loves 412 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: his friends, very very deeply loves people so much that 413 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: makes me come off a bit bit pat sometimes. I 414 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: like that clarity and sincerity. No, I write these things 415 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 1: down because I like to go back and revisit them. 416 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: It's so true, though, isn't it. By the time, you're 417 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: not as old as I am, But there is definitely 418 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: a cong seven. What are you? Yeah, well I'm a 419 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: hundred and seven? Thanks very much. Wow, you're look stunning gorgeous. 420 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: But don't you find that when you've fought your way 421 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: consistently through jungles, particularly around love, and every time it 422 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: seems to be a bit different. The notion of getting 423 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: to a place where you recognize love as being clear 424 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: and sincere and unambiguous and unambiguous, it makes it makes 425 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: so much sense. Yeah, I didn't meet by until I 426 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: was forty one, so you know, it took me a 427 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: long time to get to that point. I was very 428 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: single all the time. I didn't meet my boyfriend until 429 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: I was forty eight, so like see, And by the way, 430 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: actually looking back on it, probably wouldn't have it any 431 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: other way because I don't think I would have been 432 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: able to cheers to all of the assholes that I 433 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: dated before, because frankly they were brilliant training ground to 434 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: actually be able to be unambiguous and sincere in love 435 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: she is. It isn't edit life. Isn't edit like that. 436 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: I like it when you speak in like T shirts. Yeah, 437 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: we're calling pull quotes in the biz. Oh is that right? 438 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: Pull quotes? Yeah? No, But it's like it is like like, 439 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: you know, keep what you like, delete what you don't. 440 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: Isn't that just editing? It is? But I wish I 441 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: sometimes wish it hadn't taken quite as long. But actually 442 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: it's all divine timing in it. And that's just when 443 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: you're like in your bones, you know, Yeah, it is 444 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: divine timing if you like try honestly, forty plus ladies, yes, 445 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: your face to us to fall down and stuff, But 446 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: you are in your bones, aren't you? So I think 447 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: that there's a reason why I'm at brand at forty 448 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: when and you met your beloved at forty that's all right. 449 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: It's quid pro faceful. It really is quid pro urs drag, 450 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: quid pro wrinkle. Katie Couric of mind when she does interviews, 451 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: she calls it instant facelett. She just turns what she's 452 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: doing and she's putting her two fingers at her temple 453 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: and just pulling her I wrinkles back like that. You 454 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: have any I wrinkles. Look at that and now look 455 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: at that. Say no, I'm interested, but also youthful. So good. 456 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: You heavily filtered when you do that. It's quite weird. Yeah, anyway, 457 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: this side to not my best side, though, Katie would 458 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: appreciate this being shared, by the way, just so you 459 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: know it's a good trick. But I'd be stuck there. 460 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to let If I let go, then 461 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: it would all it would all You'd have to stay there. 462 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: Now then you hang up, breaking up, I'm going into 463 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: a tunnel. Goodbye. In your life, can you tell me 464 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: something that has grown out of the personal disaster? Did 465 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: I sound pack to say like you? The death of 466 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: my father was a personal disaster. That soundselfish? What do 467 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: you mean? Of course that is it sounds like something 468 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: that like like this happened to me, but it did, 469 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: but well, it happens to everybody. Ultimately, what grew out 470 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: of it? I think more closest with my sister, My 471 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: sister Emily, who is a dairy farmer, who is farmer 472 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: brown and her instagram is literally filled with cow's uders. 473 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: I love her. Shame with the others. Sorry, I'm not trying. 474 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: My dad would appreciate this. I'm talking about my father's 475 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: sad death, but he would love this. That's a moving other. 476 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: It's iconic. O. God, look at those others. I'm looking 477 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: closer up. Oh yeah, I'm looking at other cam a 478 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: cow's bum and beautiful pendulous odds looking both like a 479 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: bottom and also giant saggy breasts. They are beautiful. Actually, 480 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: I love cows and one of our bonding things it 481 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: was sort of funny. It was like, I joke is like, oh, 482 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: you're a dairy farmer and I'm in fashion. But you know, 483 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: sometimes we both worked with cows gidding. So him dying 484 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: created more of a bond and a relationship with her. Yeah, 485 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: because I just have to come and go, and we're 486 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: quite similar in a way, and she's a great writer. 487 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: She just has a very different life from me. I 488 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: think this just this understanding of this sort of sadness 489 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: about the mortality of somebody that we didn't think we 490 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: were going to lose as early as we did, and 491 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: then just kind of move on from it. So I 492 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: love her and I want her to come and visit 493 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: me up here. You know, we got a bit stuck 494 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: as well and not sure if I can get home. 495 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: But I think definitely that when something happens to the 496 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: both of you, you know, I think ultimately it's what 497 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: your parents also want, Like that is a very beautiful 498 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: gift for your dad to have bequeathed both of you. 499 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: Is that, in him dying, you guys became tighter exactly? 500 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: Thanks Rachel, Well done, Richard. Thanks Richard, you get a 501 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: siren for that, really getting all the open noises that 502 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: you're lucky that the freaking buzz hasn't gone off. We 503 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: don't have a dormant, so it goes like, oh yeah, 504 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm surprised that Bob, Bobby, come, can I do? 505 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: I'm surprised he hasn't lost his mind is that's Bob. 506 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Are you gorgeous? Are you gorgeous? He just 507 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: had a boss, so he doesn't currently smell, but he's 508 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: the worst smelling dog in the history of dogs. Oh 509 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: my god, I Bobby to Pequita. He looks beautiful, but 510 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,959 Speaker 1: he's actually he's from a very very bad part of 511 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. He's like a street fighter who looks like 512 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: he Oh it was street Are you a street tough Bob? 513 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: And he allegedly had a terrible fight with a raccoon, 514 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: which is why he's partially blind. I mean, if I 515 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: had a dollar, every time I've had a terrible fight 516 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: with raccoon, bar mine and mostly in a bar, I 517 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: would have six dollars. It's might be willing on fire. 518 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: I'm really hoping not to hear more from Laura. 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