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Speaker 1: Trust me? Do you trust me?

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Speaker 3: Ever lead you a story?

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Speaker 2: Trust?

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Speaker 1: This is the truth, the only truth. If anybody ever

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Speaker 1: tells you to just trust them, don't welcome to trust me.

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Speaker 1: The podcast about called six storin Belief and Manipulation from

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Speaker 1: two cat moms who have actually experienced it. I'm Lola

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Speaker 1: Blanc and I'm Megan Elizabeth and this week is part two.

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Speaker 1: Sophie Fergie, former child influencer featured in Netflix docuseries That

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Speaker 1: Influenced the Dark Side of Influencing. Today, she is going

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Speaker 1: to talk to us about when she and her mom

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Speaker 1: moved in with Piper Rockel and Piper's mom, Tiffany, how

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Speaker 1: Tiffany's rage became more clear once they lived together, and

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Speaker 1: what it was like to be filming long, highly controlled

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Speaker 1: hours every day, then cleaning up after their seventy cats

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Speaker 1: into the night.

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Speaker 3: She'll tell us about Tiffany's manufactured drama between the parents

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Speaker 3: and how Tiffany's inappropriate behavior escalated, including the animal characters

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Speaker 3: that Tiffany spoke through, plus sending photos and personal items

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Speaker 3: to a fan unfortunately named Meghan who turned out to

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Speaker 3: be a man, and what was the final s job. Finally,

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Speaker 3: Sophie discusses being shunned and block from the squad, with

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Speaker 3: which is incredible.

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Speaker 1: And just so everyone knows, this episode does contain descriptions

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Speaker 1: of inappropriate behavior with children, so just be aware of that, yes,

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Speaker 1: before we get into it all with Sophie, and there

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Speaker 1: is much to get into. Megan, what is your cultiest

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Speaker 1: thing this week?

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Speaker 3: That's such a great question because there's an article and

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Speaker 3: futurism by Joe Wilkins called new website detects apocalypse if

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Speaker 3: billionaire jets start fleeing en mass.

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Speaker 1: If billionaire, Yes, so.

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Speaker 3: It detects if there's a large amount of private planes

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Speaker 3: oh taking off at the same time, kind of at

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Speaker 3: the end of the world cult, you know, And I

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Speaker 3: think that that's so interesting, and the end of the

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Speaker 3: world has kind of been in those guys lately, you

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Speaker 3: know what, everything that's happening, everything in the world.

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Speaker 1: Yes, one of.

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Speaker 3: The more interesting things I've noticed is I'll be discussing

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Speaker 3: this with people and they'll be like, you know what

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Speaker 3: it is, though, it's like Star Wars. Good always wins,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, you, guys, Star Wars is a fictional movie.

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Speaker 1: It's not a documentary. Putin isn't your father.

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Speaker 2: He's not Darth.

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Speaker 1: Theater, he's my father.

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Speaker 3: Like Star Wars has people's minds, Yeah, in a way

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Speaker 3: that is cult like, like they think it's they know

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Speaker 3: it's not real. But the message that good outweighs evil

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Speaker 1: Really it's like Star Wars. Yes, have they read history books?

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: And there's a lot there's a million books and movies

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Speaker 3: Star Wars and or these men, so most of them

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Speaker 3: Ron Hubbard in some weird way? Oh my god, is

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Speaker 3: it going to turn into religion?

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Speaker 1: It's like almost turned into religion.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just it's so odd to hear people so

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Speaker 3: confidently say that it's like Star Wars and that good

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Speaker 1: Like the idea that good will prevail on its own,

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Speaker 1: like just because it shoul should versus like the people

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Speaker 3: There's sacrifice, there is, you know, there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: hard stuff that comes with good prevailing. So this acalypse

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Speaker 1: So dystopian that the way we would know is that

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Speaker 3: Jets, wella, don't worry, good will prevail.

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Speaker 1: Oh right, because Luke Skywalkery Yep, I'm Luke Skywalker. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we're all Luke skyw We're not. No, we're not. We're not.

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Speaker 1: What's your what's your cultist thing? My cultist thing comes

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Speaker 1: from an article called Nexium cult eader Sue's Bureau of

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Speaker 1: Prisons over winter blackout from Courthouse News Service by Nina Polano.

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Speaker 1: Keith so Keith Vanieri, leader of Nexium, who we've talked

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Speaker 1: But Keith doing it is so sus I'm like, what

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Speaker 3: He kept a woman in a room for like I

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Speaker 1: A very long time a month, yea very long time

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Speaker 1: What is that? What's the end goal? So in this case,

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Speaker 1: so it begs the question what is Keith's role in

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Speaker 3: Absolutely who is he to them? Is he getting beaten

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Speaker 1: Is he has he become a leader of like you know,

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Speaker 3: He's like you, guys, I'm I'm your spokesperson, and I'm

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Speaker 1: As long as you all look to me as an authority.

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Speaker 1: And I can still get that hit in that high

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Speaker 3: Yes, I wonder if people are still dancing outside of

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Speaker 1: Was that a thing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, his followers every night will go dance outside because

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Speaker 3: No, No, they did it for like a couple of years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if anyone has any intel on how any cult

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like Warren Jeffs is in solitary. I'm pretty sure.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Warren Jeffs is bleeding the population.

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Speaker 3: To a normal enough person. No, he's influenced anybody. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yes, totally. Warren Jobs not so much. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but also they were like he used to be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Keith, let us know how you're doing in there.

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Speaker 3: If anybody works in the New York prison system, go

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Speaker 3: take a peek. Yeah, peek at Keith pick Keith, I

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Speaker 4: My mom was like, Okay, cool, Yeah, like go have

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Speaker 4: I don't like talking about emotions, like I like to

436
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 4: write it down, and like that's basically it. Like I

437
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 4: don't like talking with other people about it. There's like

438
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,400
Speaker 4: maybe one person I feel comfortable enough, and that's clear

439
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 4: because she's been through the exact same like experience as me,

440
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 4: and so like I can talk to her about stuff,

441
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,159
Speaker 4: but like other than that, it's like hard for me

442
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 4: to explain how I'm feeling and like to ask me

443
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 4: if I'm okay, which I understand why, but it was

444
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,199
Speaker 4: so much at the time, and like yeah, once everything

445
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 4: was found out, I was like, oh my god. And

446
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 4: then I had other people of my family members who

447
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 4: thought I was lying about the entire situation. Oh wow, right,

448
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 4: and that I still like don't talk to and like

449
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 4: I had family members who were like, I just don't understand,

450
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,959
Speaker 4: Like you never told me about this, Like but you

451
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 4: went on a Netflix documentary to talk about it, but

452
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 4: you never told me. Why wouldn't you tell me first?

453
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,440
Speaker 4: And I'm like, it's so hard if that's a clean thing, right,

454
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 4: Like you want me to sit you down and be like, hey,

455
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 4: by the way, yeah, Like no, I thought it was

456
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 4: just easier if I told my story somewhat and that's

457
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 4: not even fully everything, but I got like a good

458
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 4: bit out and you could see it and then ask

459
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 4: me questions or like I could come to you then,

460
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 4: but like it was just easier to like let everyone

461
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 4: know at once, as opposed to like sitting down people

462
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 4: who I love the most and being like, hey, by

463
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 4: the way.

464
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't want to talk about my cult or

465
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 1: like the prophet or whatever that I believed in for

466
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 1: like years, like I didn't, and then I ended up

467
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,239
Speaker 1: writing an article about it, and now obviously I talk

468
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 1: about it all the time, but like it took me

469
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: fifteen years or something to like, wow, actually like start

470
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 1: talking about it and now it's fine. But like it's

471
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: just such a normal instinct and it isn't too it's

472
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 1: a different thing also to like sit people down and

473
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,360
Speaker 1: like then they want to like it becomes more charged

474
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: emotionally versus like sharing your story and like telling the world.

475
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 1: It's just like a different way professional to know how

476
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: to get you to tell your story in a well,

477
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: which not everyone's gonna be ready for that either, Like

478
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: everybody's different.

479
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 4: But there was like so much happening too, especially with

480
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 4: the documentary, because I didn't tell like my mom and

481
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 4: I filmed it and I was, I want to say,

482
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 4: sixteen seventeen when I filmed it around there, I'm about

483
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 4: to be nineteen now, and so when we were filming it,

484
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 4: I kept like I didn't I didn't tell anybody. I

485
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 4: just didn't. Yes, do I talk about it a lot?

486
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 3: For sure, you're probably and you don't have to be,

487
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 3: but you could be a voice for this.

488
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 4: For exactly a lot.

489
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: There needs to be laws, change, there needs to be

490
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 1: this needs to be spoken.

491
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, like this is not something that you should be like, Okay,

492
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 3: I guess, I guess.

493
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 2: I know.

494
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 1: Everyone has their own experience and no one has to

495
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: do that. You don't have to do that.

496
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 4: But that was also a big part where it's like

497
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 4: I don't want another kid going through what I went through.

498
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 4: And I actually spoke at the United Nations to help

499
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 4: change laws.

500
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 1: Not amazing.

501
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I did like a whole speech and we

502
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 4: like talked. I worked with this organization, and it's basically

503
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 4: to like help better protect like kids and especially like

504
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 4: kid fluencing and even like in the acting world, to

505
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 4: try to help get lost change. I didn't want another

506
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 4: kid to like go through what I went through. And

507
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 4: so you know, there's like multiple layers to it, but

508
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 4: also the fact that you're still currently actively trying to

509
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 4: like destroy my life. But you guys look like innocent

510
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 4: and acting like, oh, we didn't know this was happening,

511
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 4: Like we had no idea this documentary came out of nowhere.

512
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,479
Speaker 4: It's like, but you guys did know. You guys were

513
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 4: asked to be a part of it. You decline, So

514
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 4: you've known about the documentary, right, And I understand the

515
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 4: perspective of Piper. It took me a lot of deprogramming

516
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 4: to realize a lot of things that I normalized were

517
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 4: not normal. And that's also all she knows. Like she

518
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 4: grew up with her mom, so for people to expect

519
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 4: her to go against her mom. I don't. I don't

520
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 4: think she ever.

521
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 1: Will never say never, because we talked to quite a

522
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 1: few people on this podcast to have I hope one

523
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 1: they have in a particular reality for a very long

524
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: time and then eventually wake up out of it. But

525
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: it often takes something huge, Yeah, realize.

526
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's so much more to life and so much

527
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 4: like real connection out there, But you have to like

528
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 4: take a step back and like you still do influencing,

529
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 4: Like I still do it. I still have a for it,

530
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 4: but I'm very like I don't care to be like,

531
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 4: oh my god, I'm in the public eye like this

532
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 4: much like I like to I keep my friendships and

533
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 4: my connections like pretty offline, and I take the time

534
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 4: to like go hang out, ye be a person, right,

535
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 4: and like I'm able to like go live and like

536
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 4: do my own thing. And that's all I pray is

537
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,959
Speaker 4: that she gets away and that she can do her

538
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 4: own thing.

539
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

540
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's huge because I was just reading a

541
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 3: study where I was like, most kids, I'm still going

542
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 3: to qualify you as a kid, quantify you as a kid.

543
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, but like they identify more with their

544
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 3: online persona than they do with their actual life self,

545
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 3: and I was like, WHOA, So I feel.

546
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 4: Like I'm almost like opposite.

547
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't think you figured it out.

548
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 4: I just yeah, I love Don't get me wrong. I

549
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 4: love social media and I'm very grateful for it. Like

550
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 4: I do show myself a lot online, but it's also

551
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 4: its own thing, like very different, Like I do post

552
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 4: what's me, but I'm also like my own person and

553
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 4: like total I like to keep things private, like I

554
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 4: don't need everyone's opinion, and I've had an opinion on

555
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 4: me for my entire life, so I try to not

556
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 4: show everything. But again I'm learning, and I still lash

557
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 4: out sometimes when.

558
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: You guys are living there, you're here like filming all

559
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: day long, and it's Tiffany Piper's mom homes coming up

560
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: with all of these ideas.

561
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, she would write scripts on her phone.

562
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: And giving you all the hours and like cracking the

563
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: whip basically. Yeah, what was your relationship with Piper outside

564
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: of that and did you feel like you had a

565
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: genuine friendship and did you feel you had space ever

566
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: to like be yourself in that period at all?

567
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 4: Her and I had such a connection, like genuine and

568
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 4: like everything like off camera was very personal we had

569
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 4: this whole friendship for example, and for example, I don't

570
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 4: know always said that, but per se we had this

571
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 4: entire friendship though that wasn't on social media, and like

572
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 4: I still have like all of our like snapchat memories

573
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 4: of us just like literally like doing the dumbest shit possible,

574
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 4: and like us between filming even like just being giggly

575
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 4: and laughing and like having such a bond. And I

576
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 4: think too, like we both knew what was going on,

577
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 4: but she was she didn't. She would talk about things

578
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 4: here and there, but like I didn't force her to

579
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,959
Speaker 4: be like your mom's a weirdo. Like I wasn't like

580
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 4: this is going on necessarily, but I was able to

581
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 4: just have that connection and like we both had an understanding.

582
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 4: So no, her and I were super close off camera,

583
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 4: and I don't think I've ever had a friendship that's

584
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 4: ever been like that. And my again, I don't think

585
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 4: I will. You know, we had a lot going on,

586
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 4: and yes, I'm super close. For example, I keep bringing

587
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 4: her up with my best friend Claire or we're super close.

588
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 4: But even that connection, it's not the same as like

589
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 4: what Piper and I were, and not to compare the

590
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 4: two because they're completely different. I love Claire to death,

591
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 4: but when it comes to like Piper and I connection,

592
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 4: it's like, I don't think I'm ever going to have

593
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 4: that with somebody else or.

594
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 3: Have sister to you, right, and your mom seemed like

595
00:27:55,080 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 3: y'all's mom, and then.

596
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 4: The yeah, and like we had such a I like

597
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 4: thought we had such similar lives and like, I've never

598
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 4: met somebody who I've had that much in common with.

599
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 4: But also in the same sense, I've also never met

600
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 4: somebody that I've had that much un in common with,

601
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 4: if that makes sense, because like, while we had so

602
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 4: much in common, there's like a whole other side of

603
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 4: it where it's like, Okay, we are not the same.

604
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: You have everything in common, but you deal with it differently.

605
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And so growing up it was super

606
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 4: cool to find somebody that was like your other half,

607
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 4: and then like to lose that was something that was

608
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 4: even worse because it was like, Okay, this is like gone,

609
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 4: and like that's it was. It was super hard for

610
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 4: me to make friends after that, cause I it took

611
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 4: me a while. And like even my friends that I

612
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 4: have now, like I would think like they're just trying

613
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 4: to like, well not necessarily now, but I had a

614
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 4: friend and I was like, they're just trying to like

615
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 4: replace Piper, and like she's never gonna be that, and

616
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 4: like I didn't even give this like one girl a chance.

617
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 4: I was like, no, she's trying to replace Piper. And

618
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 4: my mom was like, Okay, well, no one's gonna be her.

619
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 4: So like you have to realize that that girl like

620
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 4: trusted with my entire everything, like my entire being, and

621
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 4: like loved her down so bad. So it's like when

622
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 4: I meet people, it's definitely harder for me to like

623
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 4: let in because the person I let in fully to

624
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 4: my core and like who let me in? It's like, well,

625
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 4: I don't even talk to anymore. I like, I get it.

626
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 4: I've talked about your family all the time, and like

627
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 4: I don't like the environment that you're in, but like

628
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 4: I don't hate the girl at all.

629
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: Well, and so what Tiffany orchestrated once you left, Once

630
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: you and your mom left, the situation was the equivalent

631
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: of what so many cults do, which is cutting people

632
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: off completely, yeah, and shunning them and like trying to

633
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: turn someone against them.

634
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, no one was able to reach out to me.

635
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 4: I remember the day that I got unfollowed by everyone

636
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 4: and blocked, and it was horrific, Like I was bawling

637
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 4: my eyes out. I would reach out to people, no response,

638
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 4: like people were not allowed to text me, they unfollowed me,

639
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 4: they blocked me.

640
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: When you were how old when I left?

641
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 4: I want to say it was twelve.

642
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: Either way, I cannot imagine dealing with that at that age. Yeah,

643
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: Like that was the age that I prayed to Satan

644
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: for friends. I was thinking that I was going to

645
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: tell her that, yeah.

646
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm so lonely right now.

647
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: At every age, I actually like we don't talk about

648
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: it enough. Like adults all need to feel like they

649
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: have community and they have friends they have left, but

650
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: especially when you're that young, right, it was just like awful.

651
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 4: And I remember like sitting there, I was like crying

652
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 4: and like I just I was so upset and hurt

653
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 4: that everyone just like disappeared completely left. And again these

654
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 4: are kids that I was like, and we're we're good now,

655
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 4: Like I've talked to all of them about the ones

656
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 4: who blocked me, but those were like that was my childhood,

657
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 4: Like I grew up like I spent the last what

658
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 4: two three years with you guys, and now half of

659
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 4: y'all are blocking me.

660
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and in a very culty way.

661
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 3: You're kind of encouraged to just be with each other, right, It's.

662
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: Like you're in my cult.

663
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 4: I wasn't able to like make friends, and if I

664
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 4: left or did something without Piper, like it was an issue.

665
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 4: So like, wow, we weren't able to film or like

666
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 4: do our own thing, and like if we did, it

667
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 4: was like no, you wouldn't hear the end of it.

668
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 4: And so that was like a super weird feeling when

669
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 4: everyone like balked me and then I like left and

670
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, now what, Like how do I

671
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,479
Speaker 4: make friends? Like these friends were kind of given to me.

672
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 4: I don't know how to make friends my boyfriend, which

673
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 4: I don't even like. Yes, we were like really a

674
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 4: thing like that was my first kiss puppy love.

675
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: But for folks who didn't watch the series, this is

676
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: the boyfriend who was like given to her on the show.

677
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 4: He auditioned to be my boyfriend like for me, Like,

678
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 4: but I did actually like each other, Yeah, we liked

679
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 4: each other, but I don't really I actually said this

680
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 4: recently to him. I was like I don't consider you

681
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 4: an ex, and I I'm sorry, like I just I don't,

682
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 4: just because it was like so curated and like that's

683
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 4: not somebody I would want to consider an ex just

684
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 4: because of how things were. But yeah, no, So that

685
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 4: entire experience in itself like was super weird, and it

686
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 4: was super weird for me to even like date after that,

687
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't, like, I mean, I don't

688
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 4: know exactly. I'm like, do I like this? I actually

689
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 4: have it to this day where like my mom, for example,

690
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 4: she'll be like, do you have a crush on this person?

691
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 4: And I'll be like, I don't really know. I don't know,

692
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 4: like maybe crush.

693
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: Is a trigger word.

694
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 4: I do I have a crush? I'm not really sure.

695
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 4: I think I like, like I would like think I

696
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 4: have a crush on somebody, and then I'm like maybe

697
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 4: I don't or maybe.

698
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: I do, and like, well, in fairness, I do that too,

699
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: like you know, but no, but the reality yeah, and

700
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: non reality was blended, like we were so sure and

701
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: having that and like having that blend and everything go down,

702
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: like it was just super confusing, like there's so much

703
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: and still like that, I like figure out where I'm

704
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: like Okay.

705
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 4: Maybe I am confused on this or maybe I don't

706
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 4: know how to go about this, and like a lot

707
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 4: of that does stem from the fact of like the

708
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 4: Tiffany stuff and like being put in that position. And

709
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 4: then also like I got messed up not too long

710
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 4: ago by a different situation, but that whole thing. I

711
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 4: not that it happened this way, but I made Tiffany

712
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 4: like the only evil character who could be in my

713
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 4: life life because she did like the worst. Now when

714
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 4: I've like I've had other situations where it's like even

715
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 4: weird for me to process that because I'm like, well,

716
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 4: it's not as bad as this, but like it's pretty bad,

717
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 4: but but Tiffany's like the only evil one.

718
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: Like it's a really great point. Yeah.

719
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like hard to differentiate like if something is

720
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 4: guaranteed as like a bad thing, because my life like

721
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 4: as a kid had like so many bad effects but

722
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,479
Speaker 4: also so much good. Like it's so weird and like

723
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,959
Speaker 4: also leaving Tiffany and like that was its own thing

724
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 4: because like I did love her so much, Like I

725
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 4: didn't realize everything that was going on, Like it's like

726
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 4: a love hate relationship.

727
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't like what's going on?

728
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 4: But like I love you so much and you're like

729
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 4: a second mom to me, and now like you know,

730
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 4: like realizing, okay, like a second mom shouldn't have been

731
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 4: doing any of that, but I like idolized her for

732
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 4: a little bit too.

733
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 3: Trauma bond, yeah right, she made the perfect really yeah,

734
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: the perfect environment.

735
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 4: So when she like even when she left, I was like,

736
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 4: oh my god, like I miss and then the camera man,

737
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, Like that was my

738
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 4: best friend. Mind you he's like twenty five, so it's like, okay,

739
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 4: I'm not really sure why twelve year old was like

740
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 4: friends with twenty five year old. Yeah, yeah, but no,

741
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 4: even then, I was like, oh my god, like all

742
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 4: of these people who I love so much are like leaving,

743
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 4: and like I idolize so many people in that group,

744
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 4: and so it was super confusing and super hard. And

745
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 4: then also when other things happened in life that had

746
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 4: nothing to do with the Piper situation, it like I

747
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 4: was like, how do I go about this because that's

748
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 4: the only bad thing.

749
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 3: You're like, I have a super villain, So how do

750
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 3: I recognize medium?

751
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

752
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 3: Medium en And like yeah, when you say that, there

753
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 3: was a lot that the documentary didn't touch on. Is

754
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 3: there is there any contexts that like you're allowed to

755
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 3: share that you want to share.

756
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 4: I would say there are a lot of personal stories

757
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 4: with Lenny that like weren't told, not just mine, Like

758
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 4: Claire has her own personal stories, Reese has her own

759
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 4: personal stories. I believe Karen has a few of her

760
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 4: own personal stories. And so like we we didn't fully

761
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 4: go into depth. And also when we were filming, I

762
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 4: would say I wasn't fully ready to talk about everything

763
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 4: and like put it all out on there because like

764
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 4: it's on Netflix, So like that was also like concerning

765
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 4: in itself. But I think a big part of it

766
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 4: is that a lot of people weren't ready to share everything.

767
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 4: And so there's like a lot of like Lenny stuff

768
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 4: like the broom for example, Like when I talked about

769
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 4: that the mop the broom, those things like with her

770
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 4: using that and like acting as if it was like

771
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 4: her Dick as Lenny, Like a lot of people don't

772
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 4: even know that part. And like there were certain things

773
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 4: that like I would do, for example afterwards and like

774
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 4: while even in the squad to like protect myself and

775
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 4: that we didn't like talk about for example. I don't

776
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 4: know if it was talked about or not, but for

777
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 4: a while, like Tiffany would like walk behind us and

778
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 4: she would go like this, and then like obviously towards

779
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 4: like the booty. She would like yeah, so she would

780
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 4: like stick her hands like up your ass, and then

781
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 4: she would say like vulgar things as Lenny, and then

782
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 4: would like walk away and she would do it with

783
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 4: like brooms and like mops, And so I started like

784
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 4: walking with my hands like this like behind my back

785
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 4: for a while because I was super scared that like

786
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 4: I was gonna get like something up there, and like

787
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 4: it'd be quick, but I'd be like, oh my god,

788
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 4: like that's like not okay. Sleeping, and like locking my

789
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 4: doors was an issue, and like I would lock my

790
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 4: door and it's one of those doors where you can

791
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 4: like turn turn with like a what is it, like

792
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 4: a penny you put like a penny in her dime

793
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 4: and like unturn it. I would lock my doors and

794
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 4: then she would like unlock them, and like that became

795
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 4: a thing as I got older, and that became a

796
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 4: thing like while I was in the squad, because I

797
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 4: didn't want to wake up with her on top of

798
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 4: me like saying something crazy again, So just things like that, yeah,

799
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 4: and like the vulgar things she would say, like it

800
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 4: was truly like horrific to now the point where again

801
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 4: on my own personal experiences and my personal like life

802
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 4: like with intimacy is like very complicated because as one

803
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 4: would be like like I'm gonna talk sexy, I'm not

804
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 4: into it because like I was already into that at twelve,

805
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 4: but like forced into it, if that makes sense.

806
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So.

807
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 4: At that point, it's like I'm there's a lot of

808
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 4: things that I'm not into because of having such an

809
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 4: experience at such a young age, and so like that's

810
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 4: very hard to cope with and very hard. Like still

811
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 4: even to this day, I've gotten a lot better, but

812
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 4: it's still like everything has its own thing, and like

813
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 4: I guess that wasn't like touch based on like a lot, right,

814
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 4: I'm way better about talking about it now, Like I

815
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,479
Speaker 4: feel like when I talk about it, like I'm able

816
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 4: to like make jokes around it and whatnot and not

817
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 4: cry when I like talk about it. But no, like

818
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 4: I truly do think that like she needs to be

819
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 4: in prison, and like I honestly think that Hunter is

820
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 4: very guilty by association. I think he let a lot

821
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 4: of things slide, and like he knows about Leny. I

822
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 4: remember he literally told Tiffany that she needed to stop

823
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 4: acting like this because somebody was going to say something

824
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 4: at some point.

825
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: You can kind of argue he's under her influence as well,

826
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 3: since he's kind of making his living. He's so much younger.

827
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 3: I mean, he's still old enough that he shouldn't be

828
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: letting kids be talked to that way.

829
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 4: But I think for him, I think and he needs

830
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 4: like deep psychological therapy. I think he needs to just

831
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 4: like go to like maybe a retreat or something. I

832
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 4: don't know, Like he.

833
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: Like I kept saying, Peter Taial needs to go to

834
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: the woods. He needs to go to the lives.

835
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 4: Like I don't, I don't even know, Like what he

836
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 4: needs is something like yeah, yeah go heal like go

837
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 4: to the woods.

838
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,479
Speaker 1: So this woman had obviously so much control over all

839
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: of the kids lives, but also the parents. She was

840
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: also right, yeah.

841
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 4: Like turning parents against each other, Like she would like

842
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 4: call up and be like so and so said this

843
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 4: about you mind you so and so did not say

844
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 4: these are fake names. But for example, like let's say

845
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 4: there's a mom named Brenda, and then there's Kathy. Right,

846
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 4: she would call Kathy and be like, okay, Kathy, Brenda

847
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 4: said you're an awful little piece of shit mom, and

848
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 4: she thinks you're a stripper, and like, I think you

849
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 4: should know that. Hang up. And so now Kathy has

850
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 4: his beef with Brenda, but won't Hell because Tiffany's like

851
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 4: the inside scoop, the source, and she doesn't want to

852
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 4: like put her source on blasts and then she would

853
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 4: go and do the same thing. And so they wouldn't

854
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 4: talk to each other because they're both mad at each other.

855
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 4: But in reality, those two people never said those things

856
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 4: about each other. She's wanted to keep them.

857
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: Away master because if they were to talk to each other,

858
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: they might turn against her.

859
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like if they were to talk and be like,

860
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 4: well Tiffany said this, it's like, well, wait, I never

861
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 4: said that, And then it's like wait I never said

862
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 4: that either, And so if they talked, then more people

863
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 4: would go against her, and like if they became close,

864
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 4: maybe they'd realize like, Okay, Tiffany's like starting to get

865
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 4: more angry and demanding more, and like it was just

866
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 4: better to keep everyone in their own lane.

867
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: Right, which is again what cult leaders the influence that

868
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 3: Tiffany actually has on people's real lives. Like, you guys

869
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 3: are making real money. These channels are being watched more

870
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 3: than CNN. How much was Peak Piper Squad making a month?

871
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 4: I could be wrong, but I want to say that

872
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 4: it was around five hundred k.

873
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,959
Speaker 3: Like a month, five hundred thousand a month, about five

874
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 3: hundred thousand times twelve.

875
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 4: Like, but like we also would like, for example, like

876
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 4: there was a lot of like thing like expenses, like

877
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 4: I would have to pay for like random stuff, and

878
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 4: then she would like take like a lot of money

879
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 4: from people because she made the script. She hunters filming it.

880
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 4: This is happening, we're posting the video. So it's like, yes,

881
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 4: we were making a lot, but like we weren't able

882
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 4: to really like see that money, if that makes sense, Well.

883
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 1: No, you were spending twenty grand a month on cats when.

884
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 4: We were moving out, Like I was like, oh my god,

885
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 4: Like how are we going to do this? Just because

886
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 4: like we had spent so much money. Yes, we're making

887
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 4: a lot, but it's not like I necessarily like always

888
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 4: saw that, if that makes sense.

889
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: Was Tiffany the one in charge of like who gets

890
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: what or what gets paid out, like what the offenses.

891
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 4: Had their own like YouTube channels. My mom knows more

892
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 4: about that than I do on what went on with

893
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 4: like money handling, but a big I do know that

894
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 4: she would like charge us for like a lot of stuff.

895
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 4: So like we had like control, but it was like

896
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 4: she would tell us what to do with our money,

897
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 4: and like if you didn't listen, it's like, Okay, you're

898
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 4: gonna get yelled at or like kicked out a squad.

899
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 1: So I mean, the love of control that that woman

900
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: had over everyone's lives is she very.

901
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 4: Still things to this day. Like I know that Tiffany's involved,

902
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 4: She's not as involved as she was when I was there,

903
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 4: but like I've had so many different people come up

904
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 4: to me and be like I'm so sorry, and like

905
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 4: I did go and I filmed with them, and you're right,

906
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 4: I get it, I understand, and I can only imagine

907
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 4: how much worse it was at that time. So it's

908
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 4: like there's still things that are happening and still things

909
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 4: that aren't normal, and like people will go and they'll

910
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 4: collab with them, and she's fine for as long as

911
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 4: she's fine for and then she's like crazy again.

912
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 3: Well yeah, it's just such a love bomb typical situation.

913
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: She's good, excuse she needs to be to get you hooked,

914
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 3: and then she's not, and then she's the one who's

915
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 3: like responsible for making your money or right.

916
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 4: Also these like newer influencers too, it's like okay, like

917
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 4: we're blowing up right now, collabing with like Piper, so

918
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 4: to you know, throw that away would be a lot.

919
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 4: And I don't blame them, but they're not going to

920
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 4: speak up. And they're also scared to speak up because

921
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 4: look at what you do to people who.

922
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 3: Do Yeah, one of the things that was really scary

923
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 3: in the documentary, And I wish this person wasn't named Megan,

924
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 3: which is my name, but there was a soccer or

925
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 3: fan named Megan, but it's a man.

926
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, who was Megan?

927
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 4: Okay, So basically Megan was introduced as like a superfan

928
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 4: and she would send like rare photos to and whatnot,

929
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 4: which like the Piper's rares.

930
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: Okay, So Tiffany would send Piper's rare, rare photos.

931
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 4: Which were like extra photos, Like we would take thousands

932
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 4: of photos with Tiffany. And there's one that got sent talent,

933
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 4: and I was super mad when I found out. It's

934
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 4: there's one of like me, Piper and Gavin like all asleep,

935
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 4: and she like sent that in. I was like, okay,

936
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 4: don't send me sleeping to fans. That's weird. And then

937
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 4: I remember they were starting to get these like lavish

938
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 4: gifts and so like a hoverboard came one day and

939
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, that's that was like

940
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 4: the coolest thing in what twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen.

941
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my.

942
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 4: God, there's a hoverboard, Like it's so cool. And then

943
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 4: like Hunter got a brand new computer, and I was like,

944
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 4: oh my god, like this is so cool. Like okay, awesome.

945
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 4: Piper and Hunter and Tiffany they all have this new

946
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 4: vlogging camera and they all have this new like she

947
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 4: has squashies and toys and things galore. You start to

948
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 4: wonder like okay, like how are you getting that, and

949
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, well, we just we send Megan like rare,

950
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 4: rare photos. I was like okay, and then it was like, well,

951
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 4: I just Tiffany just has to send Meghan, like he

952
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 4: just he just wants things that were already getting getting

953
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 4: rid of so it's fine.

954
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: So Megan is a man.

955
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, Meghan is a man, by the way, Okay, And

956
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 4: then there was like weirdness that started happening, Like she

957
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 4: like went into Piper's drawer and she was just like

958
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 4: grabbing underwear and like bras and stuff.

959
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: Tiffany her mother.

960
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Tiffany, Piper's mother, went into Piper's drawer and

961
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 3: grabbed her underwear.

962
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was grabbing like underwear and bras and whatnot.

963
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 4: And then like she would put them in like packages

964
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 4: and I was like, where's but where's that going? And

965
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, that's going to Megan. And Piper's how old,

966
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 4: like twelve at this point. Crazy, but yeah, so underwear

967
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 4: and like photos and things are getting sent out, and

968
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 4: then she would get like crazy stuff. And I remember

969
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 4: Gavin one day got this was when he was in

970
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 4: the squad. He got like these new Gucci shorts. I

971
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 4: was like, why does he have Gucci shorts? He got

972
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 4: them from Megan, and I don't think he necessarily knew

973
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 4: they were from Meghan. But then I remember Tiffany being like, oh,

974
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 4: like fans will just send you everything to my mom,

975
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 4: and my mom was kind of like Okay, like what

976
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 4: does that mean? And like she didn't like really touch

977
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 4: base until like later when we like lived with her

978
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 4: and like we see more and it's like, okay, now

979
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 4: Megan sending this and that, and she's like we've been

980
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 4: working with this Megan person for a very long time

981
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 4: and getting all these lavish gifts and I would just

982
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 4: see things, but I was like, what's like I don't

983
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 4: and I don't know who a Meghan is and like

984
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 4: kind of ignored it because I didn't understand it the time.

985
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: So disgusting.

986
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, like it's beyond me, and like the things that

987
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 4: I've happened to me personally, it's like I just I

988
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 4: wouldn't even fat them, like my daughter going through that

989
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 4: if I had a daughter like my son going through that,

990
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 4: And like it's just horrific to think about and like

991
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 4: the fact that somebody can do all of that and

992
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 4: get away and then also be able to meet these

993
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 4: other influencers who are some of them aren't of age,

994
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 4: like they're still like younger. Like there's these new gen

995
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 4: influencers that she gets to collab with, and now she's

996
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 4: on OnlyFans and it's like, what's going.

997
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 3: On one of the things that was in the documentary.

998
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 3: Let me read the exact because it terrified me. And

999
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 3: the documentary said the audience. This was from the Wall

1000
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 3: Street Journal, an article by Catherine Blunt, and it says

1001
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 3: on Instagram, the audience for influencer young teenage girls are

1002
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: ninety two percent.

1003
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,959
Speaker 1: Men, disturbing. So yeah, I would imagine.

1004
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 3: If a man approached you and I was like, I'm

1005
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 3: a huge fan, you would just Mason in the face.

1006
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 3: So they can't really be like, okay, weird. You can't

1007
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 3: really do that, right, They kind of just lurk.

1008
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 4: I'm assuming, but no, I definitely got my Like I

1009
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 4: remember the first time I got like a bad DM.

1010
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 4: I also don't I was banned from like responding to

1011
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 4: dms after this because I was like, okay, my mom

1012
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 4: was like no, like, don't look at dms, Like I'll

1013
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 4: take care of that.

1014
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: It's fine.

1015
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 4: But no, it was just like like I was going

1016
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 4: through my DMS. I was really little, and I like

1017
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 4: clicked on it and it was just like a dick

1018
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 4: pic and I was.

1019
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 1: Like, oh, what is going on?

1020
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 4: And so like those are like the kind of dms

1021
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 4: that like young girls are getting on, like via Instagram

1022
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 4: but when we were meeting fans, it was always like

1023
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 4: younger kids or people around our age who were watching us.

1024
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 4: And when we like we went on a tour and

1025
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 4: like it was all like younger kids, and like that

1026
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 4: was very.

1027
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: It seems like is where your audience.

1028
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 4: Yes, but there's creeps in In my opinion, there's creepy

1029
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 4: people and like older people in every realm and no

1030
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 4: matter what you do. So it's like, yeah, yes, that

1031
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 4: is the shittiest thing of it. And I think, like

1032
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 4: I hate perverts with the passion. I think they should

1033
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 4: all die, but just me personally, right, I'm like they

1034
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 4: I think it's disgusting to be a pedophile. But what

1035
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 4: I will say is that they unfortunately lurk in whatever

1036
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 4: industry that you're in. Obviously, if you're more frontal on

1037
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 4: the Internet and you're dressing a certain way and whatnot,

1038
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 4: they're going to you know, find it.

1039
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, in Nickelodeon, I believe was watched. They've they

1040
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: found out. I just watched that Nickelodeon dock and it's

1041
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 3: like it's watched primarily by older men, And you're like,

1042
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 3: that explains a lot lot, Yeah, that explains a lot

1043
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 3: of those plots.

1044
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, creepy. It's just very creepy. But it speaks to.

1045
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 3: A larger issue of like you're younger than us, you

1046
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 3: know the space, Like is there a way to make

1047
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 3: this safe for people?

1048
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 4: I mean the way I go about it currently, Like

1049
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 4: from an older perspective, I think that there is ways

1050
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 4: to be safe about it, Like, for example, in a

1051
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 4: real life sense, like I think, no matter again what

1052
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 4: you do, if there's going to be that one creepy person,

1053
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,439
Speaker 4: like it's I don't think you're gonna ever be able

1054
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 4: to fully filter it, even if there's like you know,

1055
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 4: regulations and what not from like a random person online.

1056
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 4: But what I will say is that, like for me personally,

1057
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 4: I think really knowing who you're filming with is super

1058
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 4: important for like safety, Like I wish I kind of

1059
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 4: would have known and like thought to look into like, Okay,

1060
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 4: who am I filming with? What do they do? Do

1061
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 4: they have a track record? And I think that it

1062
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 4: should be similar to like a acting environment where you're

1063
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 4: supposed to know and you're supposed to have this information

1064
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 4: in school hours and like places to keep you safe

1065
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 4: and resources to keep you safe. Even though in the

1066
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 4: acting world sometimes that doesn't always happen either, but there's

1067
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 4: better laws in place to at least try to protect them.

1068
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 4: With that being said, if somebody if you want to

1069
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 4: do influencing, yes it is difficult, and yes it can

1070
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 4: be very scary, but I think just really knowing who

1071
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 4: you're around and leaving when you see the red flags,

1072
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 4: I think that's super important to be like, okay, this

1073
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 4: is not okay, I need to go. Not everyone in

1074
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 4: this industry is going to be your friend. So it's

1075
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 4: like you really have to trust your gut, like really

1076
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 4: trust your gut.

1077
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: And that's that's what we end on on this podcast.

1078
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 4: Really, I'm like, really trust your gut, Like that's the thing,

1079
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 4: your gut.

1080
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, the industry is still out of control,

1081
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 3: but at least there's some sag.

1082
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have people who have to come check on

1083
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: the kids, you know, like there's people monitoring, whereas influencing

1084
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: happens often in the home exactly.

1085
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 4: Yes, it is so scary to speak out or so

1086
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 4: scary to like tell your mom like hey, something's going on,

1087
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 4: but I think it is so important that again, if

1088
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 4: you're feeling unsafe within a situation or something's going on,

1089
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 4: and you feel feel it in your gut that it's

1090
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 4: not right, like really, like speak up, Like I think

1091
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 4: that helps so much and it's easier said than done. But

1092
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 4: speak up. No, your surroundings know what's going on, and

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00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 4: I think.

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00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: That sometimes in like closed systems, it can be hard

1095
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: to speak up, like in a public way, right, but

1096
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: at the very least talk.

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00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 4: To someone around you.

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00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyone who can give perspective.

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00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 4: Right, wait exactly? Ask your friends like, yay, is this weird?

1100
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 4: Like or do you think, like, okay, what this person's doing?

1101
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 4: Because I feel like for us, we normalized a lot

1102
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 4: of it, and like, yes, it'd be like, okay, you

1103
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 4: have a weird feeling, but like it seems normal, so

1104
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 4: we're all going to go with it.

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00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 3: And because there are no laws, and because the people

1107
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 3: who are making the laws are so old they don't

1108
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 3: even know what you guys are talking about, it is

1109
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 3: so important that you show up and you talk at

1110
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 3: these places and explain it to people who are like, what.

1111
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 4: What is going on exactly?

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Speaker 1: Are there any particular laws that you think would be helpful?

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00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 4: I think personally if you're a minor, but even older

1114
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 4: than that. But for my sake, because when this all

1115
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 4: happened as a minor, I think there should be a

1116
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 4: law that, like, you need to know exactly who you're

1117
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 4: filming with, and there needs to be like a background check.

1118
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: Can there be an app that you and your mom

1119
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: make for this.

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Speaker 4: Right, like something where it's like, Okay, this one's not safe,

1121
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 4: this one is like let's leave a review, uh, or

1122
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 4: like monitors who come right or like like on sets,

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00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 4: for example, you have a set teacher. They walk you

1124
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 4: to set, they go with you places they're watching, they're

1125
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 4: essentially watching after you. And so like I think to

1126
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 4: have besides your parent, to have somebody else go with you,

1127
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 4: and like to have that extra just little safety guard

1128
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 4: in case something gets weird where you can just be like, Okay,

1129
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 4: we need to take her out of the situation, or

1130
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 4: we need to take him out of the situation. Like yeah.

1131
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 4: I also feel like really just knowing who you're seeing,

1132
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 4: which I know is easier said than done, but to

1133
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 4: have laws set up where there's a school teacher or

1134
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 4: somebody who can go with you to these sorts of things,

1135
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 4: which it's hard when somebody's crazy because they're most likely

1136
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 4: going to hide it anyway. Right, so yeah, yeah, you know,

1137
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 4: it's harder, it's easier, said, that's true, that's so true, right,

1138
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 4: But like cults, when the cops come, they're like, everything's.

1139
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: Not everything's normal.

1140
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,479
Speaker 4: But I think if somebody, if multiple people have talked

1141
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 4: about something and they all have the same exact story,

1142
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 4: with these same exact situations just in different fonts, they

1143
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 4: should be shut down. Like no one should be able

1144
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 4: to go over to that house and collab because it

1145
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 4: happens so much where these young kids are getting taken

1146
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 4: advantage of by people that they love and trust, Like

1147
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 4: the eight passenger family is a great oh my god

1148
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 4: representation of that.

1149
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 3: Yeah that was Ruby Frankie, right, yes, and she is

1150
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 3: now in jail.

1151
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 4: She's in prison.

1152
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

1153
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 4: So to have like, you know, some sort of safety

1154
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 4: net for the kids, like she should have been shut

1155
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 4: down a while ago, they're you know what I mean. Yeah,

1156
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 4: I've actively been working to try to make it a

1157
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 4: safer environment for people to film and for kids to

1158
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 4: still do influencing, but have like money protection laws in

1159
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 4: place and then have like background checks on the person.

1160
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 4: Like That's what I'm currently working towards now and trying

1161
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,959
Speaker 4: to help and again I spoke at the United Nations

1162
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 4: and I'm still in sohoots with them and who I

1163
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 4: spoke the organization and they have like a beautiful I

1164
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 4: contend it to you guys. But there's like a thing

1165
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 4: that they made for the law that they wanted to change,

1166
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 4: which was basically essentially to help like child influencers and

1167
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 4: children in the industry and have them be in a

1168
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 4: safer environment. So just advocating for that and like speaking

1169
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 4: up about it, because again, there's so much craziness that

1170
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 4: happens and I don't feel like it's spoken about enough.

1171
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1172
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, I have here's my pitch for a lot. Okay,

1173
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,959
Speaker 1: this is half baked. In order to film with other

1174
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: people's children, you have to get a license for your

1175
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: home to be filmed as set yes sorts. And then

1176
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: in order to do that, the other parents need to

1177
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 1: fill out questionnaires and someone I don't I don't know.

1178
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 4: No, but that's yeah, it's like hard, like it's like there,

1179
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 4: but there's like something yeah, no, and I think that's true,

1180
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 4: Like you should be able to go in, get the

1181
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 4: house licensed, get background checks on everybody, and also like

1182
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 4: I think like before you just hand out license like,

1183
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 4: let's look at what they're filming content that they're doing,

1184
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 4: because like okay, handcuffed to each other or like the

1185
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 4: frank the dog is like kind of making like rude

1186
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 4: ass comments or like.

1187
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: Make out challenges like who can make the long.

1188
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 4: Kiss the longest? Like that shouldn't be okay, Yeah, those

1189
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 4: sorts of things. And I think, like, really looking into it,

1190
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 4: if I went with my kid to a set and

1191
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 4: like I knew exactly who the person was, they got

1192
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 4: the green light by the law basically to film, like

1193
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 4: I'd feel a lot better about it than just showing

1194
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 4: up to some random person's house and like, okay, film

1195
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 4: my kid, right, But everyone's so trustworthy, Like I'm I

1196
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 4: was a very trustworthy person, Like I would trust people

1197
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 4: so easily. My mom like obviously took like Tiffany's words

1198
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 4: and like trusted her with other people, and she trusted

1199
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 4: her so much that you know, now obviously we have

1200
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 4: our trust issues.

1201
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: But same same, Literally it's on the mic.

1202
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 4: It's trust me, No, exactly like trust me, but we

1203
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 4: did trust very easily. So it's like I think already

1204
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 4: having that guard up a little bit, it's also important, it.

1205
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: Would seem to me too, that like, even when there

1206
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: isn't traditional love bombing, I think when there's this promise

1207
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: of what you're going to get and it's this like

1208
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: extravagant you know, glamorous like you're gonna be famous or

1209
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: your kid, you and your kid are gonna make a

1210
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: ton of money, like, it can be very tempting for

1211
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: people and so exciting and maybe even like represents possibility

1212
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: of getting out of debt or getting you know, like

1213
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 1: add or yeah, exactly like it can. Yeah, it can

1214
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: color how we view people because that's something we all

1215
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: would want. I mean a lot of those things are

1216
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: things that people would want.

1217
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. I could see myself so easily trusting somebody being here.

1218
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, if someone was like, hey, Lola, there's a political

1219
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: influencer or video happening or I don't know which, I

1220
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: know because I had just happened to a lot of

1221
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: political influencers, Like I'd be like, yeah, of course I

1222
00:55:59,360 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 1: want to come film.

1223
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 4: Like why I wouldn't think anything of it? Yeah, I

1224
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 4: think twice.

1225
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: But but I think like just like noticing, like, okay,

1226
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: am I feeling more incentivized by all of these glamorous things,

1227
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 1: and is it is it like is it real?

1228
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 4: And like, is this personal?

1229
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: So real?

1230
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 2: Well?

1231
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 3: You are extraordinary, so is your mom. Thank you such

1232
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 3: a pleasure to speak to you. Where can people find

1233
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 3: you and what what are you working on?

1234
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 4: Well, now that I'm out of that, I still do

1235
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 4: social media. My a is Sophie Fergie on Everything, and

1236
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 4: I actually do a podcast now called girl Talkets with

1237
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 4: my friend Sarah Aubrey and Brooklyn and we do a

1238
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 4: podcast and we just talk about life and it's very

1239
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 4: it's very fun and uplifting and we have our serious topics,

1240
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 4: but we're able to just, you know, give girls advice

1241
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 4: and it's a girl's podcast, so they can feel, you know,

1242
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 4: like they can get some advice and whatnot. Well have

1243
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 4: you guys?

1244
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, please please if we love that,

1245
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: I want to do girl Talk.

1246
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 3: You have a new fan who isn't a middle aged man.

1247
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go. You have two new fans.

1248
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 4: Excuse me?

1249
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: Won't those part out? And I won't start It is

1250
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: just kidding. And that's the end of our interview with

1251
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: the loveliest Sophie Fergi. Big things, Big things to her

1252
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: for joining us and sharing her story with us. Megan,

1253
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: I did ask you last week if you would join

1254
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: a squad, and of course you would, yeah, and I

1255
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: also would, so this week, I guess the question remains,

1256
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: would you have seventy cats?

1257
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 3: I mean, the fact that they were spending twenty grand

1258
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 3: a month on cat stuff, on cat on cat is

1259
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 3: so wild to me. But I can really see if

1260
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 3: you had the space and the money the urge to

1261
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 3: keep rescuing cats. It doesn't sound like they did have

1262
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 3: the space. No, it doesn't nor the money, so listen, No,

1263
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. Yeah, that's too many. I think it's too many. Oh,

1264
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 3: thanks for it's about sixty eight too many?

1265
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think four is also too many. Three is

1266
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: the max? Yeah for me. My sister has three. Yeah,

1267
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: three is okay. I know people with three cats and

1268
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: they're eleven their life. If you have six cats and

1269
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: they're fine, like whatever, that's fine. It's fine as honest.

1270
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: If you have ten cats, I'm fine with it. If

1271
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: you have ten cats, I probably don't want to come over.

1272
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: But I laud your efforts. Yeah, yeah, applaud your efforts.

1273
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: We respect your efforts. But it's just like eleven cats,

1274
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: then we're scared. That's that's what the cut I mean

1275
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: everybody can decide that, because now there's somebody out there

1276
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: with twelve cats, who I like it. But maybe it's

1277
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: like a cat shelter.

1278
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 3: If it's a cat shelter, then you can have as

1279
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 3: many cats as you damn well please. But the for

1280
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 3: the lay person with pets such as they were, you know,

1281
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 3: who's to say the patriarchy has tried to make cat

1282
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 3: ladies or lots of cats and bad thing. And I

1283
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 3: say cats are a good thing. So you just have

1284
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 3: as many cats as you can reasonably take care of.

1285
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: That is the correct way to end this here.

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00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to another episode of

1287
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 3: Trust Me. Please remember to rate us five stars, leave

1288
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 3: a comment. It helps more than you'll ever know, and

1289
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 3: as always, remember to follow your gut, watch out for

1290
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 3: red flags, and never ever trust me.

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Speaker 1: Bye. This has been an exactly right production hosted by

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00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: me Lola Blanc and Me Megan Elizabeth. Our senior producer

1293
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: is G. Holly. This episode was mixed by John Bradley.

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Speaker 3: Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain, and our guest booker

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Speaker 3: is Patrick Kottner.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song was composed by Holly amber Church.

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Speaker 3: Trust Me as executive produced by Karen Kilgareth Georgia Hartstark,

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Speaker 3: and Danielle Kramer.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on Instagram at trust Me Podcast

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Speaker 1: or on TikTok at trust Me coult Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Got your own story about cults, extreme belief our manipulation,

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Speaker 3: Shoot us an email at trust me pod at gmail

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Speaker 3: dot com.

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Speaker 1: Listen to trust Me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts,