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Speaker 1: Sports Radio Hour two.

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Speaker 2: On this Wednesday, Dan and The Dan Edge Dan Patrick Show,

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Speaker 2: co host of All the Smoke, Stephen Jackson, former NBA player,

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Speaker 2: will join us. Coming up also Quinn Buckner Pacers broadcaster.

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Speaker 2: In an hour from now the Pacers they hold on,

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Speaker 2: beat the Knicks by nine. They're up three games to one.

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Speaker 2: Tyrese Haliburton had pretty much a perfect game thirty two points,

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Speaker 2: fifteen assists, and twelve rebounds. I was wondering in playoff

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Speaker 2: history the most assist without a turnover, So his fifteen

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Speaker 2: assists were the most in a postseason triple double without

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Speaker 2: a turnover since Magic Johnson in nineteen ninety one. Magic

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Speaker 2: had twenty one to ten and seventeen assists. Now Chris

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Speaker 2: Paul also had fifteen assists in a triple double without

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Speaker 2: a turnover in two thousand and eight, twenty four, eleven,

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Speaker 2: and fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Now, Stall of a day, Stall of a day, Statuta day,

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Speaker 3: stant outa day.

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Speaker 4: This is the style of the day.

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Speaker 2: Shato Today brought to you by Penini America, the official

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Speaker 2: trading cards of the program. Yeah when your name is

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Speaker 2: up there with Magic Johnson in the postseason. That's a

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Speaker 2: pretty good list to join.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 2: Magic in nineteen ninety one twenty one, ten and seventeen assists,

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Speaker 2: but Haliburton thirty two, twelve and fifteen zero turnovers. So

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Speaker 2: most points in a playoff triple double without a turnover.

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Speaker 2: Since this was two thousand and two, Marvin, you might

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Speaker 2: get this. It's a it's a player that you brought

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Speaker 2: up his name before. He's in the Hall of very Good.

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Speaker 2: In two thousand and two he had thirty three points,

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Speaker 2: fourteen rebounds, ten assists and no turnovers. Sean Marion, no,

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Speaker 2: Baron Davis.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, of.

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Speaker 2: Course, yes, of course it was all right eight seven

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Speaker 2: seven three DP. Show operator sitting by, that's Tyler. You

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Speaker 2: take your phone calls. Tonight, the Timberwolves are getting eight

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Speaker 2: and a half against the thunder as Okaysee tries to

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Speaker 2: close them out. Oiters up three to one on the

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Speaker 2: Stars Panthers Hurricanes Game five tonight. Poll question for hour

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Speaker 2: two is gonna be what seed no' connor. We got

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Speaker 2: a couple of options here. Paul is very optimistic on show.

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Speaker 2: Heyo tani uh.

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Speaker 6: He wants to know how many MVPs he ends his

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Speaker 6: career with four, five, six, seven plus.

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Speaker 2: Hm okay, who has the most MVPs in baseball history?

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Speaker 7: Barry Bonds has seven seven. Nobody else has more than three.

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Speaker 7: There's like seven guys in history that have three. But

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Speaker 7: if you could Barry got three before the Giants and

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Speaker 7: four with so they're it's a dubious seven.

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Speaker 4: I guess you'd say.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 7: Here's the point risk I was thinking about Otani. How

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Speaker 7: does he not win the MVP over the next few years.

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Speaker 7: If you combine fifty plus home runs with a three

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Speaker 7: hundred average, that'll probably get it for you. And then

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Speaker 7: you add in maybe a dozen starts or helping his

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Speaker 7: team and a great team that's always in the playoff picture.

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Speaker 7: It's almost like betting against him winning the MVP would

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Speaker 7: be a bad bet in the near future.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's got a build in advantage if

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Speaker 2: he does pitch. I mean, he's already going to put

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Speaker 2: up offensive numbers. He just hit his twentieth home run.

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Speaker 2: He's homeward in three consecutive games. We're not surprised anymore

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Speaker 2: with that. I think, coming back to pitch and if

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Speaker 2: But de Winsotani have three MVPs now.

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Speaker 7: Yes, he has three in the past four seasons and

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Speaker 7: he finished runner up once. Okay does he Ever, he

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Speaker 7: probably won't ever get the treatment that Giannis would get

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Speaker 7: or even Michael Jordan because no one else does what

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Speaker 2: Well. Who would you compare him to with those other players,

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Speaker 2: those other like basketball players are putting up crazy stats

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Speaker 2: now and you know, everybody gets twenty points. It feels like,

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Speaker 2: you know, in baseball, not everybody is doing what Otani

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Speaker 2: does now. Guys hit a lot of home runs, but

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Speaker 2: he's still hitting for average. He's helped out by being

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Speaker 2: in the National League because Aaron judge the season that

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Speaker 2: he's having in the American League. So there's only one MVP.

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Speaker 2: They don't want do one for the Eastern Conference in

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Speaker 2: the Western Conference, and that's what baseball does. But I

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Speaker 2: would be surprised if O'tani doesn't end up with at

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Speaker 5: Ye.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I was saying the same because if you look

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Speaker 7: But at the end of the day, when when you

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Speaker 7: get to the vote, you're gonna have to create a

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Speaker 7: reason to not vote for Otani. Yeah, it's like the

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Speaker 7: best story or some guy who comes out of nowhere.

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Speaker 2: But he can pitch, and if he's able to pitch,

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Speaker 2: and I understand that he wants to pitch, and the Dodgers,

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Speaker 2: you know, love that novelty as well. I just wouldn't

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Speaker 2: want to run the risk of another arm surgery. Then

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Speaker 2: it takes the bat out of the lineup.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but is there is there something too, like sort

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Speaker 6: of the other side of that argument where he would

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Speaker 6: Like he has to be sort of great in both respects.

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying that he's not necessarily, but that's a

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Speaker 2: I would say he just has to be a good

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Speaker 2: he's going to pitch enough to be a great pitcher.

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Speaker 2: I think he can be a guy who maybe you

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Speaker 2: may wins like twelve games, but I don't know how

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Speaker 2: much you want to use him. You know, he's a

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Speaker 2: five man rotation. Is he a six man rotation? I

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Speaker 2: that's a little bit different with the wear and tear

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Speaker 7: Yeah, pulling Otani's last three years as a starting pitcher,

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Speaker 7: and he only started about twenty five games a year.

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Speaker 7: He was nine and two, fifteen and nine, ten and five.

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Speaker 7: He was like a B plus. His stats were very

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Speaker 2: If he gets between ten and fifteen wins and he's

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Speaker 2: Otani at the plate, I don't know how anybody can

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Speaker 2: come close to him as far as the MVP. Terry Bradshaw,

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Speaker 2: Hall of Famer Steeler Great, had some things to say.

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Speaker 2: He's not happy with what the Steelers are doing. He

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Speaker 2: did not hold back. He was on a radio show

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Speaker 2: and lasted the Pittsburgh Steelers. Here is a portion of

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Speaker 2: that interview with Terry Bradshaw on Morning Mayhem podcast.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about possibly Aaron Rodgers being the quarterback?

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Speaker 5: As a joke?

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Speaker 3: He should they That is just to me as a joke,

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Speaker 3: But what are you gonna bring him in for one year?

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Speaker 5: Are you kidding me.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's not the Steeler's way, right.

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Speaker 1: No, man, that guy needs to stay in California.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Show one bark and mist to the gods out there

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Speaker 1: one percent these guys on the show.

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Speaker 4: Mister Bradshaw know I'm not a fan of his.

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Speaker 8: We we've been around each other personally, and he was

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Speaker 8: not a kind person.

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Speaker 4: Now he does not. I had to go over and

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Speaker 7: He's not I had to go, hey, hey, Aaron, I'm

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Speaker 4: I know he knows me, but I just felt like

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Speaker 4: I better tell him who I am and not. You know,

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Speaker 4: you walk in there and you get in his presence

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Speaker 2: Is he ripping Rogers or is he ripping the Steelers

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Speaker 2: or both? Sounds like he doesn't like Aaron Rodgers and

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Speaker 2: he doesn't like what the Steelers are doing. Now I

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Speaker 2: agree with what this you know with him. I don't

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Speaker 2: agree with what the Steelers are doing, but I do

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Speaker 2: think the Steelers have a verbal agreement with Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: That would be my best guess. I don't have any

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Speaker 2: information other than the Steelers are kind of quietly moving

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Speaker 2: on with life every single day. They don't seem to

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Speaker 2: be panicking. I don't think you can be comfortable going

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Speaker 2: into the season with Mason Rudolph. Therefore, I think they

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Speaker 2: have a verbal agreement with Aaron Rodgers. Rogers going to

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Speaker 2: show up and he's going to be your quarterback. That's

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Speaker 2: the feeling I think early on in the talks that

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Speaker 2: this is what we're going to offer you. We're going

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Speaker 2: to go out and make this deal. We're going to

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Speaker 2: get rid of this wide receiver.

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Speaker 5: We're going to.

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Speaker 2: Clue you in on everything that's going on here, and

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Speaker 2: then we need you to show up. And they probably

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Speaker 2: have a certain date already circled where Aaron Rodgers will

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Speaker 2: show up to play for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Here's another

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Speaker 2: thing that's going on, and it's quietly going on, but

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Speaker 2: And it has to do with Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins

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Speaker 2: is now the backup quarterback in Atlanta. Michael Pennix Junior,

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Speaker 2: the third is your starter. Well, Kirk Cousins ultimate team player.

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Speaker 2: He didn't show up for OTAs Now. It's surprising because

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Speaker 2: it feels like Kirk has maybe embraced the fact that

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Speaker 2: he's going to be a mentor to Michael Pennix Junior.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't mean he doesn't want to play, doesn't want to

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Speaker 2: Steelers don't get Aaron Rodgers, they'll get Kirk Cousins. I

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Speaker 2: don't see that situation, at least not yet, but this

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Speaker 2: is what I was told. This is a good situation

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Speaker 2: for both sides because it will be less awkward both

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Speaker 2: sides waiting for a trade to materialize. Last week, the

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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator with the Falcons said that Cousins ha's only

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Speaker 2: been there for a handful of days this offseason. This

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Speaker 2: situation might be like Carson Palmer in twenty eleven, sit

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Speaker 2: home wait for an injury, but with full pay. That

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Speaker 2: is what I'm told is happening with Kirk Cousins, that

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Speaker 2: he'll want to play and probably have to bide his

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Speaker 2: time and wait for an opening there. And there was

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Speaker 2: talk that Rogers was going to try to do this,

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Speaker 2: that Rogers would wait for an injury, and you know

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Speaker 2: he was also I guess holding out hope from Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: But there's you know, there's some things going on. But

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Speaker 2: I do think Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers have a

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Speaker 2: verbal agreement for him to go play, and I think

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Speaker 2: that's why there's no panic in Pittsburgh, at least in

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Speaker 7: Yes, Paul, and you'd be fine with this if you're

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Speaker 7: the Falcons, because there's no upside. There's remember that Sam

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Speaker 7: not that you want someone to get hurt, but if

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Speaker 7: you're the Falcons, just waited out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know what you're going to get,

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Speaker 2: And there's been talk of how much are you going

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Speaker 9: Because you ask the tough questions that everybody wants to know.

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Speaker 2: Ethan in Indianapolis joins us Hi Ethan, what's on your

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Speaker 5: Hi Dan? How are you doing today? Good? Sir? Good? Hey?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's by far the easiest sport to enjoy

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Speaker 2: They created this atmosphere and a lot of these ballparks

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at since nineteen eighty four, the most assist

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Speaker 2: Haliburton's fifteen assists are the most in a postseason triple

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Speaker 2: The Knicks have proven they can win on the road. Well,

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Speaker 2: They haven't played grade at home, and you know they

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Speaker 2: are people coming up with different thoughts on that that

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Speaker 2: maybe it's too big of an event and it's all

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Speaker 2: the celebrities there. I'm like, shut up. The Lakers won

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Speaker 2: you know Ben Stiller is there? You probably notice in

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Speaker 2: little more intimidated if I was playing in front of

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Speaker 7: Yes, I think if I were a player, being serious,

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Speaker 7: Like if you're a Laker and there's Kareem sitting baseline,

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Speaker 2: Well, if halle Berry, you know, back in the day,

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Speaker 6: Day it's still pretty disruptive. Yeah, yeah, quite disruptive. But

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, Mart, especially for the Knicks.

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Speaker 8: Like if you see Spike Lee, he's there every game.

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Speaker 8: Ben Stiller's there every game. Howard Stern maybe fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 8: So there's just normal people you see every single game.

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Speaker 8: So I'm not sure if they got stage fright or anything,

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Speaker 8: Once the game starts, they're probably focused on the game

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would hope. So I would think that the

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Speaker 2: like you forget to shoot or defense, or you're not

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Speaker 2: watching celebrities.

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Speaker 6: Yeah see, yeah it isn't celebrities, but there is a

441
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Speaker 6: pressure to uh, the playoffs, and then the atmosphere certainly

442
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,479
Speaker 6: adds something to it. I guess celebrities are part of that,

443
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 6: you know, but I do get the lights feeling a

444
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 6: little different when you know it's an Eastern Conference finals

445
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 6: or something.

446
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Speaker 2: And is that why they play better when they're on

447
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 2: the road, because you know, there's just too many celebrities here.

448
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 4: Oh great, they traveled with us.

449
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 2: Why Timothy Shallomy went to India? What are you doing

450
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: here McAfee in the crowd.

451
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Speaker 4: I'm wanna go over twelve.

452
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 2: It's gonna be too big for this Moment's too.

453
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Speaker 4: Big for us.

454
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Speaker 7: Yes, a few years ago, I think we had the

455
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Speaker 7: comedian David Spade on and he told us in with

456
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Speaker 7: the Lakerland, you judge your hotness in Hollywood by what

457
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 7: seats are given. He goes, so you call for seats,

458
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Speaker 7: or you have your PR person call for seats, are like, oh, row.

459
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Speaker 4: Four not a good year, but row one means you're

460
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Speaker 4: having a great year.

461
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Speaker 2: I wasn't. I'm not sure if it was the Pacers

462
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 2: or it was the seventy six ers playing the Lakers

463
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Speaker 2: in the finals. I just remember taking a lap and

464
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden I saw, you know, there were

465
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Speaker 2: certain people in first row, second row, third rowe. Pamela

466
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Speaker 2: Anderson was in like the third row and she was

467
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Speaker 2: prime Pam Anderson. And I saw her making out with

468
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Speaker 2: this model, Marcus Schenkenberg, and I was like, okay, you know,

469
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 2: I drive, you know, walk around. I see Brad Pitt

470
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 2: there and Nicholson there. You know they're used to seeing that.

471
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Speaker 2: Bringing Stephen Jack, the co host of All the Smoke podcast,

472
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 2: we were just talking about a couple of members of

473
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Speaker 2: the media saying that playing in New York, playing at

474
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Speaker 2: the garden, seeing these celebrities, that maybe it's it's too

475
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 2: big for the Knicks. You know that they get somehow

476
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 2: off their game when they play at home. You buy

477
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: into that.

478
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Speaker 5: What's up, Dan, Thanks for having me. No, I don't

479
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Speaker 5: buy into it.

480
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Speaker 12: You know, I will say that everybody's not built for

481
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Speaker 12: those moments. I know a lot of guys I played

482
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Speaker 12: with and played against that were great shooters, that made

483
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 12: shots first three quarters, fourth quarter, big games, in playoffs,

484
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 12: they couldn't fall. You know, I started some Dan, they said,

485
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 12: I make love depression. I love those moments. I love

486
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Speaker 12: being against those, being in those big old crowds. So

487
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 12: but everybody came do it, and sometimes people do get.

488
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Speaker 2: Rabbi, how do you explain Halliburton?

489
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 5: IQ?

490
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Speaker 12: I think his whole success is being a student of

491
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 12: the game and understanding the game. To have thirty seven points,

492
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,959
Speaker 12: ten rebounds of fifteen assists with no turnovers for like

493
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 12: the sixth time, that's all.

494
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 5: IQ.

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Speaker 12: You have to be your brain and the way you're

496
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 12: thinking the game is so ahead of the guys around you,

497
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 12: and the guys you're playing against that the players you're

498
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 12: making are just so ahead that that's why he's not

499
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 12: getting turned over. So I just think his hot IQ

500
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Speaker 12: and it's not surprising that it's IQ is so high

501
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 12: because my personal opinion, and I really stand on this,

502
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 12: pop is the greatest coach I played for, But the

503
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 12: highest IQ than the smartest coach I played for is

504
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 12: definitely Rick carlisle X's and OS is not even close.

505
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Speaker 2: Okay, but give us a for instance, like how do

506
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Speaker 2: you come up or come to that conclusion?

507
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 5: Perfect example.

508
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 12: These days, as you know, the offense is created through

509
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 12: a lot of handoffs, passes and coming his passes and screens,

510
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 12: and normally it's the point guard to the guard, the

511
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 12: point guard gets it back and gets the.

512
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 5: Screen from the big man.

513
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Speaker 12: Well, Rick put a wrinkle in in the time out

514
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 12: in New York for for Game one, Halliburn brought it

515
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 12: up full court and instead of throwing it to the

516
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Speaker 12: guard and getting the pick, he threw it to the

517
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 12: big man. The guard picked and he ran off, got

518
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 12: to run his start and got it. Was an easy

519
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 12: layup for the big man. But that was just a

520
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 12: wrinkle Rick put in at a time out that the

521
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 12: Knicks wasn't prepared for and it got him a easy

522
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Speaker 12: shot out of time out.

523
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I've known Rick Gosh probably forty years when he

524
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 2: was playing in college and then you know, of course

525
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: he was with the Celtics, and you know, I know,

526
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: we don't like to say this, somebody got out coached.

527
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Speaker 2: Does it happen? How often does it happen at this

528
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 2: level where somebody is getting out coached.

529
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Speaker 12: It happens a lot, but it really gets magnified in

530
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 12: the postseason because each possession counts in each game. It's

531
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Speaker 12: about making adjustments. I really seen it when we got

532
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 12: into the bral and I missed half the season and

533
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 12: Raw missed the whole season. We came back and still

534
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 12: made it to the second round. That was basically a

535
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 12: rich coaching having us prepared, knowing everything about the other team,

536
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 12: and to even to get to the second round after

537
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 12: everything we've been there been through that year. That's a

538
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 12: big testament to how we was coached by Rick and

539
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 12: mc brown.

540
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 2: How often do you get asked about the brawl with

541
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 2: the Pistos?

542
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 5: Every forty minutes? Really, everywhere I go to people bring

543
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 5: it up.

544
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 12: What did they say, Oh man, I loved you in

545
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 12: the bral man.

546
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 5: You did what you're supposed to do with the Yeah,

547
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 5: well they don't.

548
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,719
Speaker 12: You don't know about the three million I lost and

549
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 12: how that the jacket I had on my back for

550
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 12: the rest of my life. I hear it a lot,

551
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 12: but it's some people are kind of disrespectful for it

552
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 12: when they say it, and some people are very respectful.

553
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 12: And I can notice the difference. But I've done so

554
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 12: much more than that in my life.

555
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 5: You know.

556
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 12: Yeah, I want to be known for the lawyer guy.

557
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 12: I will always be that. But you know, I didn't

558
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 12: move I didn't moved.

559
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 5: On from him.

560
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: Steven Jackson, All the Smoke Podcast. How often would Michael

561
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: Jordan play pick up when you played for the Bobcats.

562
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 12: When I was there two years? He did it twice.

563
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 12: He actually came out there and played one on one

564
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 12: with some guys. But one day he really tore into

565
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 12: my butt and uh and got into practice. Came to

566
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 12: practice and wanted to make a statement to the team

567
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 12: because we was kind of filling ourselves, and he showed

568
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 12: up in practice one day and destroyed us, and me

569
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 12: and them kind of had a verbal back and forth

570
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 12: because I'm a competitor, but it didn't go the way

571
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 12: I wanted it to.

572
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: Okay, when did When did you know Mike was was

573
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 2: being serious that he was he was coming to play.

574
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 12: When he showed up with practice with a practice uniform on,

575
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 12: That's when I knew he was serious. He showed up

576
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 12: with some Jordan's starts and he had a little the

577
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 12: little the second team practice jersey on. That's when I

578
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 12: know it was a problem, and that's why I knew

579
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 12: he was mad.

580
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: Did you think he would respect him like you don't

581
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: want to talk to him?

582
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 12: Yeah, Mike's human to me though, Like you know, I'm

583
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 12: you know, even though he's my height on the idolized him.

584
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 12: He's the best ever I You know, if I get

585
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 12: a chance to play against me and compete, I'm a

586
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 12: compete against anybody. I ain't even lie. If God challenged

587
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 12: me to a one on one, I'm gonna try to

588
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 12: beat him, you know. That's that's that's the way I play.

589
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 12: I love the game. I played with passion. You know.

590
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: But you know you're talking about God? Sham God? Is

591
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: that who you're talking about.

592
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 5: I'm talking about the one and only God.

593
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: Oh okay, because I might be able to take god,

594
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: sham God right now.

595
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 5: Hey, I don't know, Sham. I have been working for

596
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 5: the Mavericks. He's still in good shape.

597
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: Do you think Michael could have still played in the

598
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: NBA when when he was there challenging guys in practice?

599
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 12: Uh no, I think I think, you know, for half

600
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 12: court and the way we were practicing, we stayed on

601
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 12: half court. We went to like eight points. It was

602
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 12: better for him because he didn't have to get back

603
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 12: up and down. I don't think he could, but you

604
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 12: know that's Michael Jordan man. Anything he put his mind

605
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 12: so he could have, he did.

606
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Speaker 2: OKAC is a defensive team.

607
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Speaker 5: We don't.

608
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Speaker 2: We tend not to highlight this. We want excitement, We

609
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: want scoring up and down. If OKC is gonna win

610
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: a title, they're probably gonna win it thanks to defense

611
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: and what Shay Gilders does. How would you describe Okac's approach.

612
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Speaker 12: The only reason I have a championship right now, Dad,

613
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 12: is because we had the number one defense in the league.

614
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 12: A defense win championships. I think the teams people don't.

615
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 12: People under ray defense. Defense says a lot of things.

616
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 12: When you have the number one defense, when you have

617
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 12: the number one defensive league and also the best team

618
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 12: in league. That says that your whole team is playing

619
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 12: balls out, your whole team is competing to the ultimate level.

620
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 12: Everybody's out there trying to stop their man. Everybody's competing

621
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 12: there on the stringing defense. When one man gets beat,

622
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 12: the other guy know where he has to be without

623
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Speaker 12: even thinking about it. That's the teams that win championships.

624
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 12: And this has been this team the last two years,

625
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 12: one of the top defensive teams. I love it because

626
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 12: scoring points these days in the NBA it's easy because

627
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 12: because you have so many guys that in the league

628
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 12: today that are role players.

629
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Speaker 5: They only could do one or two things.

630
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Speaker 12: I've never seen up a time in the NBA where

631
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 12: guys my size are strictly handoffing screen. Guys can't even

632
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 12: shoot like my size. When I was playing, we were

633
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 12: playing point guard to guard like so like, the game

634
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 12: has changed so it's so easy. So when you see

635
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 12: guys out there actually competing on defense when guys don't

636
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 12: in the league as much because this is softer era.

637
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 5: I love OKAC and the way they're approaching it and the.

638
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 12: Reason why I think they have that San Antonio type approach.

639
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 5: You know, this starts with Sam Presty. He put that

640
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 5: team together.

641
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 12: He started there, and he was there when I was

642
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 12: in San Antonio soaking everything up, so I can see

643
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 12: why they're having a success.

644
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: How often did Pop yell at you and San Antonio?

645
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 5: Probably every ten minutes I needed it, though I needed it.

646
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: I remember Brent Barry telling me that when all else failed,

647
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: he knew he was gonna get yelled at by coach Pop.

648
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what.

649
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 12: A lot of it was warranted because you know, he

650
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 12: was trying to he was trying to make me a professional,

651
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 12: also make me a man, you know. And I was

652
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 12: coming out the games thinking, I'm I gonna play basketball?

653
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 12: Why am I coming out? This is the NBA, bro,

654
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 12: after retch, you have to come out, you know. So

655
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 12: it was a lot of things that I didn't understand

656
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 12: as a young kid coming into the league.

657
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 5: But Pop handled me right.

658
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 12: Like a lot of times when I came out the

659
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,239
Speaker 12: game and I was screaming and cursing, he wouldn't come

660
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 12: down there. He'll send Mike Brown and Mike Brown just

661
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Speaker 12: standing in front of me and let me curse him

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Speaker 12: out and take it. I'll calm down then, Popa put

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Speaker 12: me back in the game later, but it worked. It

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Speaker 12: worked a lot, But at the beginning then I was

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Speaker 12: frustrated and cursing pop Up didn't understand what he was doing.

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Speaker 2: We've come up with the Hall of very good players

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Speaker 2: that you know, like Joe Johnson's in the Hall of

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Speaker 2: very Good, Jamal Crawford, hall of very good guys that

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Speaker 2: aren't probably aren't gonna make the Hall of Fame. Do

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Speaker 2: you have any additions that you would like to add

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Speaker 2: to the Hall of very good?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 12: Well it so let me ask you. They say the

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Speaker 12: Hall of Fame is your whole life of basketball, right,

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Speaker 12: not just your NBA.

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Speaker 2: Career, right, Yeah, college, international play, yeah, and.

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Speaker 12: If you win championships on every level, you should be

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Speaker 12: you know, close to it. For me personally on the

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Speaker 12: highest level, I mean I won champions spowl, every level

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Speaker 12: of basketball played from high school, Big Three, NBA, overseas,

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Speaker 12: you name it. But as a peer of a lot

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Speaker 12: of these guys, I feel like Stephan Marlberry should be

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Speaker 12: a Hall of Famer. I feel like Jamaine O'Neill should

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Speaker 12: be a Hall of Famer. I feel like Rna Tests

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Speaker 12: should be a Hall of Famer, Like all these guys

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Speaker 12: I'm saying should be in already because of what they've

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Speaker 12: done in the game.

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Speaker 5: You know, we all know Ron had trouble.

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Speaker 12: We know he made some mistakes, but he was Defensive

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Speaker 12: Player of the Year, and we all know as peers

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Speaker 12: a clear mind, Ron could have been MVPN defensive player

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Speaker 12: a year of multiple years.

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Speaker 5: You know, he just dominated.

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Speaker 12: So I look at guys like even you know, I

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Speaker 12: wouldn't say he Hall of Fame, but he's he could

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Speaker 12: have had a Hall of Fame career if he wouldn't

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Speaker 12: have got hurt.

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Speaker 5: Brandon Roy somebody I speak highly of.

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Speaker 12: So like, I look at it different because my stats

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Speaker 12: are better than Mo Cheeks my career stats. He's in

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Speaker 12: the Hall of Fame. So you know, I can compare

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Speaker 12: my stats to some people in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 12: And so if I can compare myself, then watch a

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Speaker 12: guy like Jermaine on Nil, Rashee Wallace, these type of

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Speaker 12: guys they should be shoeing because they were that dominant.

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Speaker 5: In the game.

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Speaker 2: Do you think you should be in the Hall of Fame? No, No, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I love the honest answer.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, No, I know I've had a better career and

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Speaker 12: I've done better things in my life than some of

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Speaker 12: the people in the Hall of Fame far as basketball wise.

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Speaker 12: But me being in the Hall of Fame, now I know,

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Speaker 12: I know that brawl and some of the you know

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Speaker 12: that notching and stuff. Some of the stuff I've been

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Speaker 12: into is a big knock, and they don't look at

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Speaker 12: stuff like that. But to my peers, I hear from

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Speaker 12: all my peers, I'm in the real Brother Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 5: You know. I take that mok.

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Speaker 2: Where is the real brother Hall of Fame? Where is

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Speaker 2: that building?

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Speaker 12: So that it's a group of brothers who all played

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Speaker 12: in the NBA, who all got some type of ridicue

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Speaker 12: by the NBA. I'm mistreated or misunderstood by the NBA.

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Speaker 5: But guys that.

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Speaker 12: Could actually play the game that won in the game.

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Speaker 12: You know, I made a rookie All Star. I would

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Speaker 12: have made All Star games if I didn't get into

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Speaker 12: that trouble because I had great years of six years

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Speaker 12: average of twenty plus. So it's just a group of

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Speaker 12: brothers that all was misunderstood, that actually played the game.

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Speaker 5: Well. Some of us have champions with some of us don't.

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Speaker 12: But we all appreciate the role that we took to

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Speaker 12: get where we're at, you know, and all of us had.

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Speaker 5: A tough role to get there.

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Speaker 2: Latrelle Spreewell is that he's definitely.

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Speaker 13: Alan Ibsen is the leader. He's the president, and he's

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Speaker 13: the president because ninety eight percent of the guys that's

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Speaker 13: in that group. He showed all of us that we

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Speaker 13: can be us without compromising who we are and still

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Speaker 13: be successful. And it don't matter how you look, how

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Speaker 13: you walk, how you talk, as long as you do

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Speaker 13: your job. And Alan Ibison showed me that, and that

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Speaker 13: was the main reason why I was able to be

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Speaker 13: myself and not compromise nothing. Yeah I made mistakes, but

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Speaker 13: I owned up to all of them and still me today.

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Speaker 13: Allan Ivers says, be yourself because everybody else is already taken.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, man, congrats on the podcast.

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much. It's been a blessing. Man.

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Speaker 12: Shout out Matt Barnes, Brian Daily, Jolana McCary, all my partners. Man,

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Speaker 12: it's just been a blessing. Then I can't tell you

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Speaker 12: all this is what happened. I just think you know,

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Speaker 12: I would always say good things happen to good people.

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Speaker 12: I've been a lawyer guy in my whole life to

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Speaker 12: everybody I played with a loving guy, done a lot

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Speaker 12: for the communities and giving back. So I just think

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Speaker 12: this is a way of guard of blessing me and

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Speaker 12: give me an another opportunity to do something great.

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Speaker 5: In my life.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, man, I appreciate. That's Stephen Jackson. The podcast,

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Speaker 2: the award winning podcast is called All the Smoke was

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Speaker 2: on there a couple of months ago. Matt Barnes and company.

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Speaker 2: We'll take a break here, we'll get to some phone calls.

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Speaker 2: Quinn Buckner, the pacer announcer. Will John is coming up

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Speaker 2: top of the hour. We're back after this.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan

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Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio wapp.

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Speaker 2: Stephen Jackson who spent fourteen years in the NBA. He

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Speaker 2: was also in an All Star game, the McDonald's All

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Speaker 2: Star Game. He was the leading scorer. Kobe was in

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Speaker 2: that All Star Game. Tim Thomas was in that All

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Speaker 2: Star Game and Stephen Jackson didn't win the MVP. Also,

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Speaker 2: that quote is going to stay with me. I make

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Speaker 2: love to pressure.

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Speaker 5: I think.

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Speaker 2: His quote and if he was playing God that he

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Speaker 2: beat God one on one, or at least I think

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Speaker 2: playing Michael Jordan is about as close as you're going

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Speaker 2: going to get to that. I like how Mike comes

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Speaker 2: out with practice gear and he's the owner of the Bobcats.

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Speaker 2: He's got I'm gonna teach you guys lesson today and

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Speaker 2: ends up roasting him. All right, time to play the

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Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins game. Do we have some music for the

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Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins game?

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Speaker 4: Of course, Dan, here we go. Here's a setup.

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Speaker 7: Let's assume Kirk Cousins never takes another snap for the

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Speaker 7: Atlanta Falcons. Okay, what will Kirk cousins next team be?

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Speaker 7: I would like to go first? Okay, all right, my

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Speaker 7: choice is the La Rams. Something could happen to their

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Speaker 7: older quarterback. They're a very competitive team in a playoff

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Speaker 7: picture almost every year. Kirk Cousins will be a Ram next.

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Speaker 2: All right, this is short notice, but Todd, do you

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Speaker 2: have an answer for Kirk cousins next team will be?

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Speaker 9: I'm going to say the New Orleans Saints could use

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Speaker 9: Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 2: These days, all right, so they would trade him in

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Speaker 2: the division.

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Speaker 9: Yes, Kenndy's washed up? And then oh, not so fast,

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Speaker 9: my friend.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Seaton kirk Cousins. Next team will be.

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Speaker 4: The Pittsburgh Steelers of Anaheim.

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Speaker 8: Okay, Marvin, the Indianapolis Colts.

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Speaker 2: Dang those are That's a good guess. I'm gonna say

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Speaker 2: no to the Steelers because I think Aaron Rodgers is

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Speaker 2: going there. I would have said the Browns, but they

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Speaker 2: have a really crowded quarterback room right now. Although he

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Speaker 2: would be the best quarterback in that quarterback room right now.

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Speaker 5: I believe.

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Speaker 2: Colt's got Danny Dimes though as.

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Speaker 4: Not scaring anybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you look around that QB room like a man

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Speaker 2: second straight it is.

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Speaker 4: I guess huh they can run well those quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, Oh Minnesota, Okay, wed Minnesota.

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Speaker 4: It could be none of the above. He could retire.

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Speaker 2: They did bring a bring Sam Howell. Didn't they bring him?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Is their backup quarterback to JJ McCarthy. Maybe they bring

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Speaker 2: him back. He's gonna have options, yes, Ton.

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Speaker 9: And Aaron Rodgers seems to be in the back of

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Speaker 9: his mind waiting for some opportunity to go to the Vikings.

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Speaker 9: It seems like just when the door's closed, and that's

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Speaker 9: that's always hovering a little bit waiting for the Vikings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and and and once again, the person I'm speaking

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Speaker 2: to about Kirk Cousins, we're speculating that that maybe he's

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Speaker 2: sitting out and there's a reason, so it's not awkward,

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Speaker 2: and Kirk Cousins will be traded. The question is where

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Speaker 2: and what's the compensation there? Are you picking up how

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Speaker 2: much of that contract? And that's a hefty contract to

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Speaker 2: pick up? All right, Quinn Buckner will join us. Buckner

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Speaker 2: is prominently featured in the Celtics docu series, and he

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Speaker 2: tells a great story about his wife asking Larry Bird

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Speaker 2: how confident he was going into Game seven in nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty four. Also, he was on the Celtics when Larry

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Speaker 2: put up sixty against the Hawks when that was in

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Speaker 2: New Orleans, and the Hawk's bench is high fiving one

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Speaker 2: another when Larry's hitting shots against their teammates. Two hours

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Speaker 2: in the books on this Wednesday, one more to go.

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Speaker 2: I hope you'll stay with us next hour. We're back

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Speaker 2: after this