1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Good morning. I'm Doug Krisner. Here are the stories we're 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: following today. The US Senate has extended its session to 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: work on aid and border security. Let's get to Ed Baxter. 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: He's in the Bloomberg newsroom. Eddie, Yeah, thank you very much, Doug. 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: End of the traditional congressional session today, but Senate majority 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: of Leader Chuck Schumers is saying, don't go home. There's 7 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: work to be done on Israel and Ukraine funding. 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: For sure, we hope to come to an agreement, but 9 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: no matter what, members should be aware that we will 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 2: vote on a supplemental proposal next week. 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 3: Now. 12 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 4: Basically, go home if you want, but miss the vote 13 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 4: if you do. The White House, by the way of 14 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 4: saying that negotiations are going in the right direction. Russian 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 4: President Vladimir Putin holding his annual news conference today. Bloomberg's 16 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 4: Greg Sullivan says, exuding optimism and confidence. 17 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 5: We've heard about the war in Ukraine that came up 18 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 5: early on, where he gave an unusual amount of detail, 19 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 5: including the number of troops that are there. But what 20 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 5: was significant they're also was that he ruled out the 21 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 5: need for a second mobilization, actually saying that a recruiting 22 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 5: campaign the government is currently doing has pulled in enough troops, 23 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 5: even saying more than data initially planned. 24 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 4: Yes, Sullivan says. Putin also said the economy was turning around, 25 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 4: and of course ahead of elections there, EU leaders have 26 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 4: agreed to open membership talks with the Ukraine. This an 27 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 4: historic political win for Kiev. EU Council President Charles Mitchell 28 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 4: saying a clear signal of hope for the people and 29 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 4: for the continent. Israel reiterating today that the war with 30 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 4: Hamas will take a long time. This is more questions 31 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 4: are asked about limiting civilian casualties, especially by the US 32 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 4: calling it a lower intensity war. Pentagon spokesman General Major 33 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 4: General Pad Ryder says the US is working very hard 34 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 4: to get that now. 35 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: We will continue to expect that Israel conducts his operations 36 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: in accordance with the law of arm conflict. 37 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, and Israel's Defense minister then saying that it's going 38 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 4: to be several months or more longer war. US National 39 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 4: Security Advisor Jakes Reullivant has met today with Prime Minister 40 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 4: net Yahoo and his war cabinet, as well as other 41 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 4: officials and the White House says he got a detailed 42 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 4: briefing on Israel's war plan. Swing states are swinging away 43 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 4: from President Biden. The Bloomberg News Morning Consult Battleground poll 44 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 4: released today shows Donald Trump is leading in all seven 45 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 4: of the states that are likely to side the election 46 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 4: next year. Bloomberg's Rick Davis. 47 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 6: Michigan is a classic study of a swing state that 48 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 6: means everything to Joe Biden. Joe Biden does not win 49 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 6: the presidency without Michigan, and yet Michigan was tied in 50 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 6: the previous two polls that Bloomberg did and is behind 51 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 6: now Trump for the first time in this series. 52 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 4: In Michigan, and Rick says, a poll shows that neither 53 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 4: party voter is excited about another Biden Trump matchup. Hong 54 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 4: Kong police are offering one hundred and twenty five thousand 55 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 4: dollars reward for information on five local dissidents reside overseas. 56 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 4: This a double down on its controversial use of bounties 57 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 4: to chase after pro democracy activists in the name of 58 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 4: national security. Global news twenty four hours a day and 59 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 4: whenever you want it with Bloomberg News Now in San Francisco. 60 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 4: I'm at Baxter and this is Bloomberg. 61 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: All right, Eddie b thank you so much. Let's get 62 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: to the business news flow now and we'll begin with 63 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: the FED and that do it dubvish pivot from yesterday. 64 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: It's really been the driving force behind what was a 65 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: rally in the equity market today. But today it looked 66 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: as though some signs of exhaustion began to manifest market 67 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: technicals pointing to overbought levels, and that makes the equity 68 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: market a little vulnerable here to a pullback. At the 69 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: same time, today, some of the big names on Wall Street, 70 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: the big banks, are anticipating FED rate cuts will happen 71 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: earlier and faster in the new year. 72 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 7: Here is Bloomberg's and Cates, Goldman Sachs economists the three 73 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 7: twenty five basis point interest rate cuts next year starting 74 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 7: in March, and for the Fed's preferred inflation gauge to 75 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 7: sload it just over two percent, lightly higher than the 76 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 7: Central bank's target. Barclay's is now calling for three reductions 77 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 7: in twenty twenty four, beginning in June, from just one 78 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 7: ahead of this week's FED meeting, and JP Morgan bumped 79 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 7: its view on the start of the easing cycle to 80 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 7: June from July and is looking for interest rates to 81 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 7: be trimmed five times next year. In Washington and Kate's 82 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 7: Bloomberg Radio. 83 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 8: The European Central Bank kept interest rates steady today, but 84 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 8: President Christine Legard said policy makers mustn't get complacent following 85 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 8: a slump in inflation. She said there aren't during upside 86 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 8: risks to consumer prices, and in the news conference, Leguard 87 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 8: was asked if a rate cut was even discussed during 88 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 8: the last policy meeting. 89 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 9: We did not discuss rate cuts at all. No discussion, 90 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 9: no debate on this issue. And I think everybody in 91 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 9: the room takes the view that between high and cut 92 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 9: there's a whole plateau, whole beach off hold. You know, 93 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 9: it's like I don't know solid liquid gazz. You don't 94 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 9: go leak from solid to gas without going through the 95 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 9: liquid phase. So this was just not discussed. 96 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 8: There is sublimation, but never mind, we'll move on. Leguard's 97 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 8: comments come despite the latest ECB forecasts offering further grounds 98 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 8: for optimism. Headline inflation is seen averaging five point four 99 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 8: percent and twenty twenty three, but forecasts show lower price 100 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 8: gains at two point seven percent next year and two 101 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 8: point one percent and twenty twenty five. 102 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: It's still a great metaphor though, wouldn't you agree? Oh yeah, 103 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: it is absolutely. Let's get to the Bank of England next. 104 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: The BOE keeping interest rates steady today at a fifteen 105 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: year high. The GOOEE also sticking with its measures that 106 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: borrowing cost will remain elevated for some time, despite growing 107 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: bets in the market for a wave of rate cuts 108 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. Here is BOE Governor Andrew Bailey 109 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: after today's decision. 110 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 10: Our job is to achieve the two percent inflation target sustainably. 111 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 3: Now we're making good progress. 112 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 10: Inflation has come down from eleven percent to is today 113 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 10: just over four and a half, and it will come 114 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 10: down further, but we have to achieve it sustainably, so 115 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 10: there is more to do. So I'm encouraged by where 116 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 10: we are, but we have got more to do to 117 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 10: get to that target and that's what we will do. 118 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: That is the Governor of the Bank of England, Andrew Bailey. Now, 119 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: the BOE also said it could high creates again if 120 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: there was evidence of more persistent inflationary pressures. 121 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,239 Speaker 8: Paul, but we get the Chiner activity figures for November 122 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,239 Speaker 8: later on today. Bloomberg's Rashad Salamat has a preview. 123 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 11: Industrial production and retail sales are both expected to show 124 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 11: big games last month compared to a year ago. However, 125 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 11: the headline numbers may flatter to deceive. Don't forget November 126 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 11: twenty twenty two is a time when large parts of 127 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 11: China were only just starting to emerge from COVID lockdowns. 128 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 11: Bloomberg Economics expecting industrial production rising four point nine percent, 129 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 11: up from four point six percent in October. Meanwhile, economist 130 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 11: surveyed giving a forecast of just over five and a 131 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 11: half percent. Our economists a month on month day I 132 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 11: will likely paint a grimer picture, though early indicate it 133 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 11: suggests manufacturing continue to slow in the month and the 134 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 11: property slumps drag on overall consumer spending persisted. On retail sales, 135 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 11: Bloomberg economists it'll rise eight point eight percent from seven 136 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 11: point six percent the prior month consensus. It's for twelve 137 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 11: and a half percent in Hong Kong. I'm Richard Salamat 138 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 11: Bloomberg Radio. 139 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen will be revisiting China again 140 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: next year. The story from Bloomberg's Denise Pellegrini. 141 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,239 Speaker 12: The Treasury Secretary, says a significant portion of the agenda 142 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 12: we'll focus on discussing difficult areas of concern with her counterpart, 143 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 12: and she also says she'll try to deepen areas of 144 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 12: cooperation and improve communication, even if she vowed to continue 145 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 12: confronting Beijing over national security and human rights. In plan 146 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 12: remarks to the US China Business Council in Washington, yell 147 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 12: And also made clear the US would continue to pursue 148 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 12: export controls and investment restrictions that have angered Beijing, but 149 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 12: she also said it's crucial to engage with China in 150 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 12: ways it could prevent potential diplomatic and financial crises. Ella 151 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 12: has emerged as something of a good cop in the 152 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 12: Biden administration's handling of China relations, through a relationship building 153 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 12: trip to China and also through meetings here in the US. 154 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 12: Denise pelgreny Bloomberg Radio. 155 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 8: All Right, we have got a city group shutting its 156 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 8: municipal business, and that business was once the envy of 157 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 8: its arrivals. We've got more from Bloomberg's Charlie Palette. 158 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 13: It is one of the most dramatic moves yet by 159 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 13: CEO Jane Frazier as she seeks to squeeze better returns 160 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 13: out of the Wall Street Giant. According to a memo 161 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 13: to staff seen by Bloomberg News, the bank decided the business, 162 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 13: which has tumbled in the rankings for underwriting state and 163 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 13: local debt, is quote no longer viable given our commitment 164 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 13: to increase the firm's overall returns. City Group intends to 165 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 13: complete the wind down by the end of the first quarter. 166 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 13: In New York, Charlie Palett, Bloomberg. 167 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: Radio, let's take it close to look now at some 168 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: of this week's Central Bank action with our own. Michael McKee, 169 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg International Economics and Policy corresponded, Joining us from here 170 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,599 Speaker 1: in New York City. Michael, it's always a pleasure we 171 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: can get to the Fed momentarily. Let's talk about what 172 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: happened today with the ECB and the BOE both leaving 173 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: rates unchanged and both a lot less dubbish than the Fed. 174 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: Any sense of why they took that more hawkish point 175 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: of view. 176 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: For the Bank of England, it's basically that inflation is 177 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: higher and wage growth is stronger than the Bank would 178 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: like to see, and they don't think they're out of 179 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 2: the woods. Yet in terms of inflation, the ECB has 180 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: seen inflation come down a lot more. But again they're 181 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: also concerned that because they can't control energy prices, they're 182 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: much more exposed to energy and they don't know exactly 183 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: what's going to happen with the pattern wage negotiations that 184 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 2: are coming up. 185 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 3: At the beginning of the year. They don't want the markets. 186 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: To get carried away with the idea of Breke cuts, 187 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: so both banks pushing back on that idea without rejecting 188 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 2: the idea that in twenty twenty four they could be 189 00:09:58,880 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: cutting rates. 190 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 8: Well, we have seen trade as getting carried away with 191 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 8: the idea of FED right cuts. What are markets saying 192 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 8: about the possibility of right cuts from the ECB and 193 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 8: BOE next. 194 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: Year, Well, the markets are pricing in rate cuts for 195 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: both of those banks. I think four was the last 196 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 2: I saw for the Bank of England, which seems like 197 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: a lot given the bank, as I said, has a 198 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: much greater inflation issue than the United States or. 199 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 3: The Bank the European Central Bank. 200 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 2: The question for the ECB is for how they're going 201 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: to do this, because they've still got they are still reinvesting, 202 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 2: they're rolling over bonds, which the FED stopped, and so 203 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: they may continue that for a while then slowly get 204 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: out of that, and that would be a signal that 205 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: rate cuts might be coming. 206 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: So let's bring it back to the FED. Because of 207 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: that pretty dubbish pivot yesterday, I may have surprised the 208 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: market quite a bit. An enormous rally in treasuries yesterday 209 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: and at the short end of the curve. I think 210 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: the two year was down nearly thirty basis points and 211 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: we were lower today in yields across the curve. Michael, 212 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: do you think this is concerning the Fed? That this 213 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: pivot has created so much easing and financial conditions? May 214 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: not that be a little worrisome if. 215 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: It continued, and if it translated into lower borrowing costs immediately, 216 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 2: it might concern the Fed. But we've seen rates go 217 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 2: down over the last month as the buckets anticipated the FED. 218 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: But we didn't see credit card rates or auto loan 219 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: rates falling. We didn't see the prime rate falling. Margat 220 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 2: rates came down, but only into the sevens, so it's 221 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: not an immediate transmission mechanism. The financial conditions indexes reflect 222 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 2: a lot of what goes on in equity markets. The 223 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: fact that equity markets are buoyed is good news for 224 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 2: consumer spending going along. But at this point I think 225 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: the FED is going to wait and see what happens. 226 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: They suggest that they're going to be cutting rates, but 227 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: they didn't say when the markets think it's going to 228 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: be earlier. The FED will judge on a meeting by 229 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: a meeting basis, when they think they need to do it. 230 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 8: We've still got an inverted yield curve, though I don't 231 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 8: we with the tenure right now three ninety two two 232 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 8: at four thirty eight, so spread of about forty six 233 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 8: basis points. What's the expectation around this normalizing? 234 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 2: It should continue to normalize, But the yield curves are 235 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: kind of in a position of, well, it's been signaling 236 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: something that hasn't happened, because basically this is a completely 237 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 2: different economic cycle. But the question is where does the 238 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 2: ten year go? Where do the longer rates go? When 239 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 2: we don't know exactly where the Fed is going to go, 240 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: the market has to reflect what they think both the 241 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 2: FED rate is going to be and the inflation rate, 242 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: and then some sort of time discount, and at this 243 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 2: point nobody quite knows where the FED ends up. 244 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: We know they won't go. 245 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 2: Back to zero, but do they go back to five 246 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 2: or four or three percent? Son Till the markets figure 247 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 2: that out, it's going to be hard to get a 248 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: handle on exactly where the deal curb stops. 249 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: Michael, we had the retail sales numbers today, What do 250 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: they tell us about the health of the American consumer. 251 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 2: The American consumer seems healthy and willing to spend. The 252 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 2: retail sales numbers were good. Now, you generally have to 253 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 2: take them over a couple of month average because they 254 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 2: do get revised quite often. And while we were up 255 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 2: three tenths on the overall number, we were flat. That 256 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: revised down from a two tents gain, So basically it 257 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: was still a small gain, but it was a gain. 258 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 2: And the things that people bought were clothing and toys 259 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: and sporting goods and electronics, the kind of things that 260 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: we expect them by in the holiday season. So it 261 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: does seem that consumers are not pulling back too much 262 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 2: at this point. 263 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: So you combine that with the weekly jobless claims numbers, 264 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: and it looks as though the US is going to 265 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: manage a soft landing right very quickly. 266 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 13: Fair point. 267 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 3: Well, it's a fair point. 268 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 2: You have take the jobless claims numbers with a bit 269 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 2: of a great assault at this time of year because 270 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 2: of all the holidays, but it does shows still straight. 271 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg day Break Asia. 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