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Speaker 1: Channel FOURGA to see you. Thanks for having me, Thank

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming on. Appreciate his car line from Tin

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Speaker 1: Philip Heilman covers the Jaguars high Field. So if we

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Speaker 1: gotta start. Christian Galen is the groundskeeper at the baseball

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Speaker 1: day if there's a divot along the first baseline, they

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Speaker 1: have to bring dirt in and fill. What happened Philip

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Speaker 1: last night? You know you you're at a baseball game.

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Speaker 1: first base line south Paw. I would say, uh, very

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Speaker 1: you signed the waiver. I hope I did. Yes, that's good. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's good for the don't worry. Let's get to Jaguars. O. T. A. S.

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Speaker 1: Shall we Um. Let's start with Nick Foles. He spoke

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable week for him and his family. For him to

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Speaker 1: What did you take away? Well, I thought, like you

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Speaker 1: Nick showed up this week, given that everything that he

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Speaker 1: It seems like everybody's a fules fan of the sudden.

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Speaker 1: taking the Jaguars right there, all right. Philip Eland from

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Speaker 1: You know, all this offensive talk, we hear about how

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