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Speaker 3: And so the ones that are aggressive get killed, the

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Speaker 1: If Trump says we should open the schools, I'm going

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Speaker 1: whose significance can be managed rather than magnified. They're obsessed

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Speaker 1: clear talked about cognitive distance, and that's gotta suck.

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Speaker 2: I feel for you. That's got it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, whatever your particular fixation is, that's that's terrible.

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Speaker 2: Huh. You know what they need? You know what these

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you sit there, you pet your raccoon, You look

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Speaker 2: You're perfectly happy. You got it in your lap.

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Speaker 1: Good, good boy, coony coony coons or a maski boy?

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Speaker 1: What would you call a raccoon at the same dumb

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Speaker 3: Until that thing is leaping at your throat and gouging

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Speaker 2: Oh that's a good cat. No, no, don't try this

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Speaker 3: Maybe you got one that's not quite domesticated yet gouges

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Speaker 1: Well, the early adapters, yeah, they're they're gonna be you know,

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Speaker 1: probably not have ten fingers on the cutting edge right right,

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Speaker 1: the biting edge. If you will, Yes, you will never

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Speaker 1: meet the President of the United States. Most likely he

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Speaker 1: will be gone in three years.

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Speaker 3: Just control what you can in your own life and

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Speaker 3: just leave it at that.

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Speaker 1: The words of wisdom there, folks, Well, I guess that's it.