WEBVTT - Episode 15: The War on Cops with Heather Mac Donald 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.760 Up next The Truth with Lisa both part of the game, 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:06.440 which the notion that the police are out in the 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:10.120 streets killing Black Americans disproportionately is a lie, a mirage, 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:13.399 and optical illusion, not supported by any of the facts. 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:17.079 And yet this narrative dominates our culture, driven by selective 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.360 media coverage, politicians who want to divide for votes, and 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:22.799 groups like the Black Lives Matter movement who stand to 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:25.640 make a profit, but they don't care about black lives unless, 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:28.160 of course, they're killed by white cops. Otherwise, or woke 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:30.880 cultural elites couldn't give a damn. This is the Truth 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:41.800 with Lisa Booth. Ye, welcome back to the Truth with 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:45.920 Lisa Booth. The police are under siege in America today. Democrats, 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.400 the media, and army of radical activists are out in 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.440 the streets calling to defund the police, demonizing the people 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:55.920 who serve to protect us, attacking officers just for doing 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:59.000 their jobs. And what's the result of all that? Violent 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:02.240 crime in America is skyrocketing in our cities, and no 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.640 one is suffering more as a result than minorities. My 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.120 guest today is the one who wrote the book on this. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.360 She wrote The New York Times bestseller The War on Cops, 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:13.920 which is essential about the conversation we're having today. She's 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:15.920 also a lawyer by training and a fellow at the 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:19.040 Manhattan Institute. I could go on and on about Heather's resume, 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:20.479 but I'm just going to sum it up with this, 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:24.160 and two thousand eighteen, then Attorney General Jeff Sessions called 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:27.480 Heather the greatest thinker in criminal justice in America today. 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.640 So this is an issue that has been on my 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.199 mind a lot. It's something when you look at the data, 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:35.319 when you look at the facts, it doesn't match the 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:37.760 public narrative. Yet that doesn't seem to matter to the 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.600 media and to the left to continue to push this 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:43.840 lie about the police and police shootings. I'm so thankful 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.759 to have Heather McDonald on this podcast for this week's 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:49.160 episode to get into all of this. Heather, thanks so 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:51.760 much for taking the time. Lisa, thank you so much 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.160 for having me on pleasure talking to you. We live 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.640 in this post truth world where facts don't seem to matter. 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.520 I mean, even looking at the Washington Post database, so 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:03.800 one thousand people shot and killed by the police either 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.080 had a knife or gun. Only five point three percent 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:08.520 of those shot and killed were actually unarmed, and then 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:11.000 when you look at those unarmed, it's twenty four white people, 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:17.200 almost eighteen were black. Almost. But why do people keep 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.520 pushing this narrative that simply isn't supported by the facts. 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:24.160 It's astonishing. I mean every day I sort of rubbed 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:28.160 my eyes and think I'm dreaming. It's amazing to me 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:32.000 that we continue talking about the police when this country 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:35.680 is living through a crime wave of unprecedented proportions where 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:39.359 every single day you have dozens of blacks getting gunned 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:43.960 down and drive by shootings to fatally to absolutely no 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:48.560 acknowledgement by the mainstream media. That's more than all white 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:53.280 and Hispanic homicide victims combined. Uh. And yet we're talking 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:57.480 about phantom police racism and it's a it's it's an 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:02.440 utter puzzle. Uh. The count returns its eyes away from 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:09.240 the just grotesque and barbaric behavior that is leading to 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:13.960 this loss of black life in inner city areas. We 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:18.400 don't want to acknowledge it. Uh. I fear that elite 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:23.600 whites feel that the behavior gap, the crime gap, is insoluble, 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.799 and so they'd rather talk about something other than that. 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:34.800 But it is a complete breakdown in public policy, and 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:39.120 as you say, it's a truth gap. The perception that 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:44.680 we're living through a epidemic of racially biased fatal police 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:49.840 shootings of blacks is an optical illusion. It is created 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:55.320 by selective media coverage. The public thinks that most of 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:59.080 the people shot by the police are black. In fact, 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:04.440 about of people fatally shot by the police each year 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:10.560 black over fifty or white. Uh. There's been white victims 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:16.080 in There was a man in Dallas, Tony Tempa, who 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:19.440 was killed by the police in the situation that was 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:25.000 eerily foreshadowing the George Floyd death. He was pinned under 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:29.599 officers for thirteen minutes, unable to breathe. They were joking 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.520 the whole time. Nobody knows Timpa's name because it does 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:36.839 not fit the narrative. The only thing that the allegedly 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:41.720 anti racist UH, left wing press, the only time they 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:45.960 care about black lives is when they're taken by a cop. Uh. 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:50.640 And the only police shootings that the media cares about 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:54.599 is against black See the one fatal police shooting in 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.920 the January six riot. Whatever happened to Ashley Babbitt, You know, 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.440 it's down the memory hole because she's white. That was 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:04.919 a bad shooting. Nobody talks about it. It is it 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:12.120 is just a completely surreal and dysfunctional situation. Well it 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:16.000 it puts police officers in a an impossible situation when 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.200 we saw that with the Macaya Bryant shooting, which is 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.159 sad that it's her name that is remembered when she 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:22.640 was the aggressor of not her potential victim. You have 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:25.240 a white cop, I believe it was Columbus, Ohio. You've 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.000 a white cop saved a young black woman's life from 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.120 getting stabbed by Macaya Bryant. Yet he is still being 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.560 painted as racist simply because of the color of her skin, 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.000 even though he was trying to save a black life. Yes, 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:42.200 it's just it's remarkable. Cops are it is the most disheartening, 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:47.880 spirit killing, soul crushing profession at this point because they 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:52.680 are the object of completely irrational hatred. They can never 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.479 clear their name of being racist. Now, the cops that 0:05:55.560 --> 0:06:00.920 I speak to just keep close to their arts, the notion, 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:04.480 the belief that the good people in the community support them, 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.680 and by and large that's true. There is a well 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:13.760 spring of unacknowledged support for proactive policing, especially among elderly 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:17.880 blacks who are terrified by these feral youth that are 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:23.320 spraying passers by with guns, that are killing one year old, 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.159 six year old, nine year olds in their beds, again 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:30.839 to no acknowledgement by the press. So the police officers 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:35.039 try to hold onto that belief, but the loudest voices 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:38.640 in the culture are telling them that they are the 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:42.520 source of oppression. As we know that there is a 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:46.200 huge exodus from from the police ranks. People are taking 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:51.719 early retirements, They're telling their family members, their friends don't 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:55.400 even think about being a police officer. When cops get 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.240 out of their cars these days, they frequently find themselves 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:02.480 surrounded by hostile during outs. We are playing with fire, Lisa, 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:08.320 because Americans are naive. They they buy in large enjoy 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:14.080 a stable society, uh the rule of law. We're naive 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:20.080 about the the hatred and violence that links lurks beneath 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.480 the service. We saw that with the riots, uh and 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:27.560 and again we turned our eyes away. This summer is 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:32.320 going to be even worse the violence. This year outpaces 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:37.480 saw the largest increase in homicides on a percentage basis 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.960 in this nation's history, and it is far worse this year. 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:46.320 Uh So so by demonizing the cops, we are demonizing 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:50.200 the very possibility of a civil society, which is respect 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.800 for criminal justice and the foundation of law and order. 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:57.480 When did this war on cops begin Well, I certainly 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:01.120 became aware of it in the nineties with the driving 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:05.080 well black conceit, which was another optical illusion. Lisa, if 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.880 there's one thing that your listeners should take away from 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:13.080 our conversation, it's this the problem of the benchmark. If 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:17.040 they can understand the benchmark issue, they will be able 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:22.160 to take on every Black Lives Matter activists. Here's here's 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:26.200 what the left does to generate its phony idea of racism, 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.840 and this bears on the driving while black issue. In 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:34.840 car stops, they compare police data police activity data like 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:43.000 police stops or arrests, to population ratios, and if the 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:49.200 police rate of activity with any given racial group is 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:55.199 larger than that group's percentage of the population, they declare racism. So, 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:59.600 for example, in New York City, blacks are about twenty 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:03.640 three percent of the city's population, but of all the 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:08.080 pedestrian stops that the police make that is the stop, 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:11.600 question and frisk. In legal terminology, it's they're known as 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:16.240 terry stops. These are the discretionary stops that officers make 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:20.520 to ask, as a suspect somebody engaging in suspicious behavior, 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.439 what are you doing? You know, why are you here? 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:30.400 Maybe frisking the the suspect of those stops. In New 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:34.959 York City, blacks makeup about fifty three percent of all 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:40.040 stop subjects, So that's twice as much as the black population. 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:43.600 So the a c l U, the Black Lives Matter activists, 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:49.000 the Patrice Colors, and Deroy mckesson's look at that and say, ah, 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:54.040 the police are racially profiling. But population is not the 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:57.480 relevant benchmark. It's what the left uses. It is not 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:01.040 the right benchmark. Here's what you've got to compare police 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:07.640 activity to crime. Policing today is data driven. Police go 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:12.040 where people are most being victimized, and that's in minority neighborhoods. 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:16.880 Here's the relevant benchmark for assessing pedestrian stops. Who's doing 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:20.560 the shootings? And in New York according to the victims 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:24.160 of and witnesses to those shootings, Blacks commit about seventy 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:28.800 five percent of all shootings, though they're tent of the population. 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:33.439 Whites commit about two to three percent of all shootings. 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.920 Though they're thirty four percent of the population. So when 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:41.880 you compare police stops to criminal activity, which is what 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:46.240 drives those stops, they're not racially profiling. So to get 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.080 back to your question of when did this begin. In 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:53.439 the nineties, we saw the racial profiling idea, the driving 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:57.920 well black idea, again based on a phony benchmark, uh 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:01.280 the A C L. You would say, well, in this city, 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:06.440 blacks are x percent of the population, but x percent 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:10.720 of car stops are of blacks. Therefore there's racial profiling. 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:17.640 What was rarely asked was who's breaking the traffic laws? 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:25.440 And it turns out that blacks break traffic laws also disproportionately. 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.920 This was there was a brief moment when it was 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:36.960 allowable as an academic to study driving patterns, and one 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.720 of the studies showed that black speed at twice the 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:43.160 rate of whites on the New Jersey Turnpike in the 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:46.679 Garden State Parkway in New Jersey. Another study in North 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:52.720 Carolina found similar things. The Transportation Department has an entire 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:57.040 program devoted to what it calls the Nexus of crashes 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:02.599 and crime. It finds that d driving behavior, fatal car accidents, 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:07.360 pedestrian accidents are worse in high crime communities because the 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:12.560 same people engaged in the violence are also driving like maniacs. 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:18.319 So this driving well black conceit is another optical illusion 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:22.400 that is based on our unwillingness to look at the 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:27.040 reality of behavior. So we got the nineties, you know, 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.560 that was the big thing, driving well black. Then we 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.120 had two thousand one, we had nine eleven, and for 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.440 a brief moment, the cops were the good guys again, 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:39.439 and they were being greeted, you know, and and uh, 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.800 people were saying thank you, thank you. And this was 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:46.480 a bittersweet moment for them because they overnight they've gone 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.040 from being the dogs to the heroes. And they knew 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:52.560 it wouldn't last. Nadda didn't. And and meanwhile, you know, 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:55.720 the academic narrative got more and more left wing about 0:12:55.760 --> 0:13:01.800 systemic bias, and very quickly, uh me, once again, we're 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.440 blaming the cops as a messenger in order not to 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:09.240 talk about black crime. Let's take a quick commercial break 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:18.200 back on the other side. One of the big moments 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.800 that stands out to me is Ferguson And just as 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:24.200 a case study about how easily false and narratives are 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.439 told and pushed. I mean, you look at the shooting 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:31.160 that took place in with Michael Brown and Officer Darren Wilson. 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.880 Even before having all the facts we had, the President 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.600 of the United States goes out and makes a statement saying, 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.800 we lost a young man, Michael Brown, and a heartbreaking 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.760 and tragic circumstances. He was eight years eighteen years old. 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:44.880 His family will never hold Michael in their arms again. 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.880 He and he makes the statement as rioters are already 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.959 out in the streets of Ferguson before having all the facts. 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.240 He also mentioned Ferguson on the world stage at the 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:59.520 UN General Assembly. You know how much responsibility, uh does 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.800 in did former President Obama in pushing some of these 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:06.199 false narratives about the police. Well, he definitely was part 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:10.559 of the problem, uh, And and was not driven by 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:13.960 the facts, as you say, Lisa, I don't know. I 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:17.840 suppose if it had been uh, you know, President Trump 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:20.920 during those years, who was a police supporter, we might 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:25.520 not have been here today. That having been said, Uh, 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:28.600 it was sort of overdetermined. You know, you had the 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:32.720 rising left, You had the academic world pumping out every year, 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:38.360 graduates who have been imbued in the idea of phony racism. 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:43.280 Uh so it may have sort of happened anyway, but 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:47.720 but certainly Biden had, I mean, rather, Obama created some 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:52.000 tropes that have been enduring the idea that black parents 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.760 are right to fear that every time their child steps outdoors, uh, 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.760 he'll be killed by a cop, which he said at 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:02.720 the few guneral for the five Dallas police officers who 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:08.600 were assassinated in cold blood in and Joe Biden has 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:13.200 picked up on that trope and uses it constantly himself. So, yes, 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:17.000 that that was bad, but I think I think we 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.400 would have been sort of here anyway, just given the 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:23.240 left wing direction of our of our culture. Well and 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.680 and and then even after the grand jury decided not 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.680 to indict, you still had CNN personalities go on air 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.240 with their hands up. You had St. Louis Rams players 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:34.160 run onto the field gesturing hands up. Lawmakers going to 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:37.360 the house floor pushing the lie, hands up, don't shoot. 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:39.720 So you know, again, it's like these facts, the facts 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.720 don't matter when there's a narrative to be pushed over. 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:46.720 Four dozen black children killed last year in their beds, 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:51.400 on their front porches, at birthday parties, in their parents cars, 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:56.800 in parks, barbecues. Is if there were four dozen white 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.920 children killed in these mindless drive by shootings, there being 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.680 national revolution. And yet, as I say, we're talking about 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:07.400 the police, none of those kids were shot by the police. 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:12.520 Three children shot in the head in Minneapolis in May 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.320 of this year alone, Two of them have died, one 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:17.640 of the oldest of them a ten year old boy. 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:20.000 There was a six year old girl who died almost immediately, 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:23.000 a nine year old finally died after weeks of fighting. 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:25.320 Ten year old boy is going to be a vegetable 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:29.120 lot for life. Uh. You've had similar things in Chicago, 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:33.200 more children killed this year than than ever before, and 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:36.680 nobody wants to talk about it. The as I say, Lisa, 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:42.040 the country turns its eyes away. They're embarrassed. We are 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:46.560 supposed to believe that we're a white supremacist country. That 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:53.320 is ridiculous. We make excuses, we find we find scapegoats 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:57.160 for this crime. That's not the behavior of a white 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.440 supremacist country. This is a country that is ready to 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:04.080 be post racial. It is not racist. You have the 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:09.000 press for since the nineties has refused to give the 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:14.480 race of suspects because it shows that violent street crime 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.480 today is the face of violent street crime in the 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:22.119 US is black and brown, period. That's it. Drive by shootings. 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.680 If you hear about a shooting at a house party, 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.280 you you virtually know the race of the people involved. 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:32.879 And that's because of family breakdown. It's because of a 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:37.280 failure of socialization. There are solutions to that problem, but 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:42.280 we don't want to and instead we are making cops 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:45.400 the scapegoat for crimes. What are those solutions in your 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:50.879 eyes that we should focus on. Revalerizing fathers, throwing off 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:55.679 the yoke of feminism that tells us that strong women 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:59.200 can do it all and that men are toxically masculine 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:05.439 and a volunteering sort of optional appendage to raising a child. 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:11.000 No children, on average, they need both parent. Both biological 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:18.760 parents bring complementary predilections skills to raising children. If nothing else, 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.919 you've got twice the kin resources, You've got twice the 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:25.800 economic resources there are. Of course, I always have to 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:29.000 put in this disclaimer. Of course, there are heroic single 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:33.280 mothers that are doing a great job in raising children, 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:36.400 but the odds are against them. And President Obama, when 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.119 he was first running for president in two thousand and eight, 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.400 gave a very good speech at the University of Chicago 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:46.760 on Father's Day, actually giving the data of what we 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:51.920 know about the likelihood of kids raised in single mother 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:56.280 families becoming juvenile, delinquents, dropping out of school, ending up 0:18:56.320 --> 0:19:00.399 in prison, having mental health problems. He acknowed, knowledged it, 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:02.680 and then he immediately segued to well, the solution is 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.960 more government services. No, that's not the solution. We have 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:10.879 spent trillions in this country trying to close the racial 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:14.800 academic achievement gap, the behavior gap. At this point, what 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:18.000 is needed is a value change and a cultural change. 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:22.800 It's the breakdown of the family is the most catastrophic 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:26.439 problem facing the United States today. And it's not just 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:31.440 a question of sort of the the deficit that any 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:36.680 individual child faces in not having both of his parents there, 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:40.440 but it's also the loss of an entire culture of marriage. 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:44.399 When when young boys know that in order to have 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:49.399 access to sexual favors over the long term, they need 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:55.280 to develop bourgeois habits of self uh self control, deferred gratification, 0:19:55.840 --> 0:20:01.639 impulse control, future orientation that provides an incentive for them 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:07.159 to rein in the sort of more uh barbaric aspects 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:10.560 of male nous. I mean they are males are impulsive 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:16.120 and aggressive. Marriage civilizes men and and and turns them 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:19.440 into productive members of society. When that breaks down, when 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:23.520 it's the norm in a community that everybody's just gonna 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:30.160 serially impregnate each other and and boys have no responsibility 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:35.040 for the children that they have created. Uh, that is 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:40.960 a very unstable situation that is not at all conducive 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:47.480 two lawful productive behavior. Now, I completely agree on the 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.520 need for families and how you know, just focusing on 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:52.960 the family is a solution to a lot of this 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:57.040 and also just sets children up for for higher rate 0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:00.680 of success. M But you know, even at the Jacob 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:04.560 Blaze Blake case, I think it's sort of telling in 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:07.800 what some of these people and these activists actually want, 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:09.600 which I think is to be able to act with 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:13.200 impunity and to not have any repercussions or consequences. Because 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:16.120 you have an individual who had a felony warrant out 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:18.719 for sexual assault because he had showed up at his 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:20.920 ex girlfriend's house and the mother of his children, sexually 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:24.399 assaulted her, stole her debit card and her car, shows 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:26.480 up at the house again, tries to steal his keys, 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.080 cops know this. Cops know that he had a felony 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:31.560 warrant out for his rest. He resists the police, he 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:34.720 puts one at a headlock, resist being taste, has a 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:36.760 knife in his hand, with children in the backseat, and 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:39.520 then a shot. After all of this took place, Yet 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:42.640 you still have candidates, or you still had then Joe 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:45.119 Biden put out a statement claiming racism. You have the 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:49.080 Governor of Wisconsin, Toni Evers, claiming racism, saying that Jacob 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:51.959 Blake is not the first black man to have been shot, injured, 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:54.040 or worselessly killed at the hands of law enforcement. You 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:56.720 have Kamala Harris meeting with his family. How do we 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:59.320 end up in a society where Jacob Blake is the 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:03.119 victim and not the woman in that situation. Lisa, I 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:06.560 just applaud you. Your absolutely right, Your your outrage and 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:12.360 your your mystification are completely justified, and you are pointing 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:17.280 out what is just a tragic facet of our world today, 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:22.160 which is that our current civil rights heroes petically thugs 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:26.080 because the way, the only the way to become a 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:28.840 civil rights hero today is to be killed by a cop, 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:35.000 and overwhelmingly you get killed by a cop by resisting arrest, 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:38.959 and and likely you've been engaged in illegal behavior. And 0:22:39.040 --> 0:22:43.720 so you have this whitewashing of these thugs. I mean, 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:47.000 George Floyd was a thug. There's a video that I 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:50.520 saw recently, a porn video with him in it. It's 0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:56.520 utterly disgusting. And and we've you're right, there's Floyd with 0:22:56.600 --> 0:23:00.119 his abuse of women, you know, with pistol whip ing. 0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:04.080 There's been you know, cast out on whether the woman 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:06.800 was pregnant or not. But in any case, this was 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:11.480 a bunch of males praying on a female, stealing her money. 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:15.760 It happens again and again, and yet we're glorifying these people. 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:20.879 It is completely bizarre, and it I just keep bringing 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:28.439 it back fact that we we cannot address, honestly the 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:32.800 breakdown of civilizing norms in the black community, and and 0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:38.040 so instead are turning into role models. I mean, you know, 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:43.480 you had you had Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton eulogizing. 0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:46.960 I think it was Blake saying he's the King of 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:50.960 no This was Dante right saying he's the king of 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:55.000 or the Prince of Minneapolis. Because I guess the singer 0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:59.560 prince came from a similar area. Uh and, and Dante 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:04.200 righting In was was a criminal, he had he had 0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:09.560 a outstanding felony warrant on him. And yet these are 0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:13.240 the people that we are turning into into heroes and martyrs. 0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:17.640 And and the language around George Floyd has been astounding. 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:23.400 You know, somebody said during the media, uh one year anniversary, 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:26.760 you know he's going to be remembered for generations to come. 0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:31.440 I mean, you know, one can one can say that 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:34.240 he should not have been held down that long. But 0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:38.280 there there's got to be other people within the black 0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:43.200 community that are worthy of reverence, that are are working hard, 0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:50.159 they're building institutions uh and and being a resisting arrest 0:24:50.320 --> 0:24:53.639 and and ending up the at the receiving end of 0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:57.000 force by the police be the main way that our 0:24:57.080 --> 0:25:00.640 culture honors black achievement. Well, and I know understand why 0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:04.199 we can't just have these conversations as we're having in 0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:06.520 in hodesty and point out the fact that you know, 0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:11.399 George Floyd was no hero. He should not have resisted arrest. Simultaneously, 0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:14.000 the police should not have acted in the manner in 0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:16.400 which they did. It's like, it's like, why all these 0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:18.879 things can be true at once, and we can have 0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:21.359 an honest conversation about the fact that, you know, we 0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:24.320 shouldn't be idolizing, you know, this man with this terrible 0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:27.760 behavior on the back or in his past, well simultaneously 0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:30.320 saying that, you know, cops did not take the appropriate 0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:35.480 actions in this case. Yeah, I don't know, Uh, I mean, 0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:40.480 I think people are Most people are in complete ignorance 0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:43.880 about what the crime rates are in the inner city 0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:46.359 because the press doesn't cover it. As I say, you know, 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:49.000 I read the Chicago Tribue. In the Chicago Tribune does 0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:53.720 a very good, uh service, and it it pretty much 0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:57.000 does cover the daily shootings. But it's one of the 0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:01.320 few newspapers that do. And to read it every day 0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:05.680 is utterly mind boggling. What's going It's just every single 0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:09.320 day there are people being shot. It's just part of 0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:14.560 routine life there and and the public has no clue. 0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:17.840 They have no clue about what's going on. But it's 0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:22.120 that rate a violent crime which brings police to those 0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:26.480 communities and which increases in officer's use of force. Again, 0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:31.639 of all victims of police shootings are black, that's twice 0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:35.880 as much as their population. Now, remember the benchmark problem. 0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:40.240 That's why the Black Lives Matter movement says, well, there's 0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:44.600 twelve percent of the population in America is black black's 0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:51.760 makeup or so of fatal victim victims of fatal police shootings. Therefore, 0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:56.520